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Dan Patrick
don't trust much of anything. It's the rage bait.
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It feels like it's trying to divide people.
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Paulie
People.
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Dan Patrick
We got clear facts. Maybe we could calm down a little. NBC News brings you clear reporting. Let's meet at the facts. Let's move forward from there. NBC News reporting for America. You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio, Hour two of the program. Dan Patrick Show. Chris Maddox sitting in for DP here on a Friday. Good to be back with the boys. One hour in the books, two to go. Still haven't said more than five words to Fritzi, but we're off to a good start here.
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Fritzi
We'll get there. We'll get there.
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Marvin
Program.
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Dan Patrick
Fritzi rolls in to see me this morning, gives me kind of a half hug. But seven years since I've been in a room with Todd Fritz, gives me kind of a half hug, turns around and walks away.
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Fritzi
It wasn't meant to be incentive. I figured you're prepping for the show, you got things to do and then I'm going to see you throughout the course of the day to hope, hopefully catch up. I didn't think right before the show was the best time.
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Dan Patrick
That was 90 minutes before the show started.
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Fritzi
You gotta read in, you got stuff to, you know, prepare for the show. You don't need to chat with me when you need to get ready for the show.
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Dan Patrick
Paulie comes in, asks how the house in Vermont is doing, asked about my kids baby pictures. Looking forward, Fritzi. The follow up to Fritzi's hello was how's it going? When I came out later or everything good, I think was that.
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Fritzi
Next thing I know, you're living in la, you're married, you got a six month old.
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Dan Patrick
Things change. You guys haven't seen me in seven years. You've cycled through different NBA people over the years. It's okay. I'm not, I don't, I don't tune in when I see somebody else's face. They're all, you know, mad and not. I swear to God, I don't do it.
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Marvin
Yeah, Marvin, not me. Because we've seen each other at different boxing events when I freelanced for the mothership. Hey, man, it's what's going on. See each other, you know, say hi for a little bit. But more than Fritzi though.
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Dan Patrick
More than Fritz. Yeah. We got a good 5, 10 seconds when we're crossing path these boxing events. Fritz, he gives me like three and a half seconds and he's.
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Fritzi
I got to work on my social skills.
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Dan Patrick
He's out the door.
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Dylan
Yeah, Dylan, for starters, Todd, now you want to ask Chris how he's doing?
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Fritzi
Well, I know that he's got a six month old today as a matter of fact. Six month old, married to a former pro boxer and he's living primarily in Los Angeles. I know he went to Boston College and he's very knowledgeable.
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Dan Patrick
He's just giving my CV there. Wikipedia, what's the birthday?
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Dylan
Todd, Wikipedia, what's the birthday?
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Fritzi
That I don't know.
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Dylan
Actually, I think the. When the last time Chris was Here I think I was pressure washing the
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Dan Patrick
building and it's been a long time. Yeah.
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Paulie
Todd, what is Chris's new son's name?
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Fritzi
I did not catch it.
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Dan Patrick
Did you say your son's name? I did.
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Marvin
Miles.
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Dan Patrick
There we go.
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Fritzi
See, I was going to say Eminem. That's what that makes sense now. I was going to say some kind of Eminem joke. Miles Maddox.
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Dan Patrick
All right, a lot to get into here in the second hour. Sam Amick, the great writer over at the Athletic, he'll join us in the third hour of the show. The NHL Stanley Cup Final tied up at 1. Carolina knocks off Las Vegas in overtime. Tremendous game last night. Panthers, Panthers, Hurricanes couldn't get anything done through two and a half periods. They wind up going on a three goal flurry in the third. Win the game in overtime. Terrific game. Paulie was texting me up a storm last night telling me to get my eyes over to ABC to watch that Stanley Cup Final. I'm glad you did because I don't think I would have, you know, perusing TV over the early part of the evening. I don't think I would have turned it back to that game. The Hurricanes couldn't get anything going. But that final 10 minutes is exactly why people love watching Stanley cup hockey. That's. That was why.
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Paulie
And it felt like it was over. You're watching. I think I said before the announcers, like Carolina could get nothing going offensively. Three goals in seven minutes.
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Dan Patrick
Impressive. Really impressive. And then some controversy there at the end. And I learned something new. Watching the end of that game. You had the situation where the puck was underneath the Carolina goalie. The Golden Knights were kind of poking at it. They eventually got it over the line, but that goal was overturned. Polly, because what was the reason given?
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Paulie
So I don't know the exact rules, but the rules analyst said once the goaltender is atop the puck and kind of has engulfed it.
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Dan Patrick
Atop and engulfed.
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Paulie
He said those words, I'm quoting, it's kind of dead. And the, the refs are blowing the whistle and you can't hear anything because it's a madhouse down there. And they're the defenders. The players for the Golden Knights are chopping at the puck, trying to get in there. They worked it out and got in the goal. They counted it for a second, then they disallowed it. And it's one of those things. I think it was. PK Subin said if he had the puck, he'd still have the puck. Why not let it play out?
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Dan Patrick
Did not have the puck in that moment, they overturned that goal. Might have cost the Golden Knights the game. Now it's 1 1, headed back to Las Vegas. Game two of the NBA Finals is tonight in San Antonio. Big, big moment for the San Antonio spurs trying not to go down oh, two in that series. Big moment as well for Jalen Brunson, who could take the Knicks to one step closer and to winning the first championship in 53 years. Long drought for the New York Knicks. Which got me thinking about the legacy of Jalen Brunson, both in terms of the Knicks and his legacy league wide with the Knicks. The question becomes, if Jalen Brunson leads a team to a championship, does he become the greatest Knick of all time? Now, statistically, he is not going to be the greatest Knick of all time. Patrick Ewing owns a lot of those records. Maybe if Jalen Brunson plays 5, 6, 7, 8 seasons in New York, plays at this level, we might see him put up those kind of numbers. His scoring numbers have certainly spiked in the four years he's played in New York. But he's never going to, I would think, put up the numbers of a Ewing. Will he win multiple championships like Clyde Frazier, some of the other guys on that team, Dave debusscher, I don't know. We'll see what happens. But there's a. I've heard a lot of people say that Jalen Brunson, if he wins a championship, becomes the greatest Knick of all time. Now, the argument I would make is with Patrick Ewing, because Patrick Ewing was a Knick basically for life. We don't remember the Sonics and the Magic stuff. We don't, we don't. We don't think about that stuff. He is Mr. Nick. He made the Knicks a relevant team throughout the 80s in the early 1990s. And no, he didn't win a championship. He came up short in the finals against the Keem Olajuwon. But he ran up against the Bulls a lot in the playoffs. He ran up against Reggie Miller and the Indiana Pacers in the playoffs. Do we discredit the accomplishments of Patrick Ewing because he doesn't have that championship on his resume? And I guess that's the question. Does a championship automatically catapult Jalen Brunson above everybody else? That's on that list. Because without the championship, where are we putting Jalen Brunson? Are we putting him well behind Ewing? I would think. Is he behind Frazier? Is he behind the Busher? Is he on that level? I don't know. I think that the championship is what's going to springboard Jalen Brunson to that next level. Yeah, Paulie.
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Paulie
I think if he wins the title and wins the mvp, he's clearly the mvp. He enters the category almost like, like Joe Namath, very good player. But he had that season where he won a title with the Jets. You're emeritus forever in that city. Jalen Brunson may not go down as one of the great guards of all time. He was a slow burn. He didn't make an all star team till age 27. Now he's perennial, but he may be end up being bigger locally than nationally. And if you win a title in New York, Walt Frazier's still calling games for the Knicks 30 years, 40 years after he did it, 50 years after he did it. And it puts you on that pedestal of they can't take it away from you. You know, if he gets injured, if he doesn't finish up that well in his career, this one title can never be taken away locally.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, Dylan.
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Dylan
I also, I think there's players that are beloved even by teams, even when they don't win. And maybe particularly during particularly long dry spells, like, I know, like as a Mets and Rangers fan, just to use New York as an example, like David Wright for the Mets and Henrik Lundquist for the Rangers are like, they can do no wrong. And there's a whole generation that like, that's their guy. Even though neither of them won.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, it's a debatable point. I would still lean towards Ewing because of the accomplishments. But winning a championship in New York City is different from winning a championship anywhere else. Yeah. Marvin.
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Marvin
If Brunson hadn't won a title or hadn't gotten close or, you know, made to the finals, he would have been in that. Bernard King.
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Dylan
Yeah.
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Marvin
Because for a stretch, Bernard King was one of the five or six best players in the NBA.
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Dan Patrick
We forget how good these guys were.
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Marvin
Yeah.
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Dan Patrick
These non champion Knicks, how excellent they were. Yeah, Paulie.
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Paulie
But you know, Brunson's not like Kawhi going to Toronto as a mercenary for a year and getting one title. Kawhi is, you know, emeritus in that country for what he did, but he was there too short of a time. Brunson, he's going to get a second contract. You know this better than us. He took less money for that first
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Dan Patrick
contract, which is part of the Knicks lore of Jalen Brunson. Him taking less money freed them up to make some of the moves that they made, gave them some of the cap flexibility to make the moves that have put this team together. Yeah, Marvin.
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Marvin
So say if Brunson only plays two more seasons as a Knick and they won the title this year, Jalen Brunson is going to be Reggie Jackson.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah.
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Marvin
You weren't there for long, but what you did, we will never forget.
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Dan Patrick
Incredible accomplishment.
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Dylan
Yeah. Dylan, if they go on to win, do you think we'll see a trend of more players maybe opting for less money to kind of bullshit?
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Dan Patrick
Oh, no, we will not.
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Dylan
No, that was a semi rhetorical question. But it seems like it's crazy though, because it's been proven in others in football and stuff too. Like that works.
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Dan Patrick
Of course it works if you give your team more flexibility. And we're seeing this to some degree. Let's use LeBron as a recent example. Most of the reporting that's out there says that LeBron is willing to take a little bit less or maybe a lot less to go back to Los Angeles. But he wants to hear what the team is going to do with that money. He doesn't want to take less just to save Mark Walter on luxury tax penalties. He'll take less because it means they can go out and get a three and D guy to play alongside him, get a springy center, do a lot, do some of the things that'll help that team win a championship. But more often than not, guys aren't taking less money to even Brunson. Some of the comments Brunson made last few months, when the next deal comes around, he ain't taking less. He ain't taking less. I think his next deal is like $400 million maybe is the high end of that deal. It's. It's an enormous figure which, if we're being honest, they might regret that the back end of that deal. But if he wins a championship, you got to do it. Yeah.
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Paulie
Paul, you know, this also works if the Knicks end up winning the series. It works out this way for the other guys on the roster as well to trickle down a effect of winning a title in New York. Like Josh Hart will never pay for a meal again. And if he wants to work for the Knicks for MSG Network, he can do it so for life. He's not going to be remembered in NBA history as like a great player, even though he's a really tough player. But like, if you go back to the team, I watched the Chicago Bulls, if you played for that Bulls team, any of those six Bulls teams, Ron Harper, Will Purdue, Stacy King, BG Armstrong, they always have jobs in that city.
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Dan Patrick
It's not. Yeah, it's certainly not unique to New York. It might not even be unique to big markets. But when you accomplish something on that level, you can do no wrong. Brian Scalabrini is the broadcaster in Boston. He was part of the 08 championship. Scal can be a broadcaster with the Celtics and is a fixture in Boston for as long as as he wants to be. I see Sasha Vujic walking around Los Angeles at Laker games, still beloved by that organization. When you accomplish something like that in New York, I guess I would say it's amplified because of the drought. Like if Jalen Brunson ends this 50 plus year drought, it might be bigger than Frazier, you know, or at least how he's received might be bigger than Frazier because there's a new generation of young fans that are watching him play. Yeah.
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Paulie
Paulie, you're a Boston guy. You look at Julian Edelman, the wide receiver, how many good games and how well he did in the postseason. He can do whatever he wants in that town. Now, he's probably not going to the hall of Fame, but. But in Boston, he always has a job in that city.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah. Yeah, Marvin.
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Marvin
And the thing that differentiates the Knicks from the other teams in New York is they don't share a fan base.
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Dan Patrick
No.
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Marvin
So it's not like all the Mets fans are mad that the Yankees.
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Dan Patrick
How dare you. The Nets are.
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Marvin
No, no, I said the Mets.
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Dan Patrick
I said the Nets. Oh, on fire right now. Oh, no.
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Marvin
Oh, are they? Oh, okay. They were.
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Dan Patrick
They were team in Brooklyn. They were in New Jersey.
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Marvin
They were more relevant at the Izod center in East Rutherford.
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Dan Patrick
That's a fact. That's a fact, I'll give you that. Yeah.
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Paulie
Paulie, how would you say that the Nets right now are the most dysfunctional organizations?
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Dan Patrick
No, no. Sacramento. Sacramento.
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Paulie
Quick answer.
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Dan Patrick
Sacramento is the most irrelevant team in the NBA. Like Sacramento. There's no hope, like right now. There is no hope for the Sacramento Kings. That could change next couple of years. But at least if you're the Nets, like, hey, we drafted five first rounders last year. Maybe one of them can play. We've got another high draft pick this year and maybe he can play. The Sacramento Kings have a team. I would argue that 13 of the probably 15 guys on that team aren't going to be there in the next couple of years. They're bringing back Doug Christie to effectively be like a meat shield for them and during a losing season.
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Paulie
Meat shield?
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Dan Patrick
Yeah.
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Paulie
I mean, Sacramento is worse than the Wizards and the Nets.
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Dan Patrick
The Wizards have hope. The Wizards have Anthony Davis, Trey Young, the number two overall draft pick. They've. They've got hope in Washington. Or number one overall draft pick. Sorry, there's hope in Washington. There's no hope right now in Sacramento. Like, I'm sorry, there's nothing. None of the guys, the stars there. Like, does Zach Levine want to be there? Does DeMar DeRozan really want to be there? They've got a couple of good young pieces, but like Doug Christie, if we're being honest, Doug Christie's basically there just so they don't have to hire another coach that will lose this year. Like, this year is about losing for Sacramento. Which is ironic because the NBA, with this new draft lottery reform, has punished teams that are bad. So the Sacramento Kings theoretically could finish, probably will finish with a bottom three record in the NBA, desperately in need of a star player infusion. And they'll get relegated. They'll get tossed right back to the back of the first round after that. So I'm not Sacramento, to me, a level below the New York Knicks. It made me think, though, talking about Brunson to bring it back there for a moment. Elevated to maybe the number one spot in New York lore if they win a championship. What does it do, though, for Brunson when it comes to his ranking among small guards in NBA history? For the purposes of this conversation, I'm going to say 6 foot 2 and smaller because you go 6, 3, Steph is the number one guy on that list. You look at guards in NBA history that are 6 foot 2 and smaller that have had the kind of impact that Jalen Brunson has had. It's a very short list. You want to go back to the 50s and 60s. Bob Cousy, gold standard for that. Won multiple championships with Boston. A little bit further down. Isaiah Thomas, two championships as the number one guy with the Detroit Pistons. Allen Iverson, the most electric player out of that group, but never won a championship, had one shot at it, win a championship with the Philadelphia 76ers. Chris Paul, another player, six foot long career, 20 year NBA career decorated. One of the best point guards of all time. Nobody would dispute that. If you're making the proverbial Mount Rushmore of these young of small guards, six foot two and under. I just named you four. If Jalen Brunson wins a championship, does he knock one of those four off? Is there another of that that belongs on that Mount Rushmore? Yeah, Paulie.
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Paulie
I think. I think I would put John Stockton up there in the fourth sp. A long career A lot of assists. Not spectacular. But for what he did and how relevant he kept them, I think he's in the mix.
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Dan Patrick
All time assist leader by a country mile. Like he's one of the greats. I agree with you. Never. Also never won a championship. Also wasn't the number one guy on his team during his years in Utah.
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Paulie
Yeah, Paulie, here's one that I think should have been on there and won't. Is Kyrie Irving six two or under?
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, I think so.
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Paulie
Would he make your eligibility list?
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Dan Patrick
I think Kyrie Irving beyond Iverson is the greatest scorer for a player that is that size or lower. Iverson is in a class of his own. Kyrie, though, with the ball in his hands. Kyrie Irving, I wouldn't want anybody else as a score other than him. Won a championship, of course, with Cleveland. I don't know it. Does a championship elevate Brunson over Irving when Irving's got a championship as well? But Irving wasn't the number one guy on that team. He did make the biggest shot. He made that shot in game seven. You can never take that away from him. But that was LeBron's team. This is Jalen Brunson's team. Everybody else is the B option. Carl Towns, great player. B option, Josh Hart, same thing. Mikhail Bridges. This is Jalen Brunson's team. They need him in ways that I don't think that the Cavs and other teams needed their players. Yeah, Paulie.
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Paulie
All right, before we break, I know we got a break, but you and Windhorse have been calling Carl Anthony Towns, Carl Towns the past few months. Is the Anthony gone? Can we move on from the Anthony?
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Dan Patrick
Well, I think at the start of this, the show, I went Carl Anthony. But after that, for brevity's sake, I kind of break it down.
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Paulie
You and Winhorse have dropped the Anthony.
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Dan Patrick
I've gone cat a while, so I throw the A in there. At least that. All right, 877-3. DP shows the phone number. Email address dpanpatrick.com we're live on Peacock, Fox Sports, Rad, all your affiliates. When we come back, we got poll results, we got phone calls. Sam Amick is going to join us in the third hour of the program. We're also going to talk a little bit about the Indiana Fever, not just about Caitlin Clark. We'll talk about the Fever as well. Eighteen minutes past the hour. This is the Dan Patrick Show. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show. Weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio Apple. Fox Sports Radio is taking over YouTube and you can be a part of it. Just go to YouTube and search Fox Sports Radio. Hit that subscribe button and smash that notification bell and catch all the videos from your favorite shows. Two pros and a cup of Joe Dan Patrick, Colin Cowherd, Stu Godson company Live Covino and Rich, the Odd Couple
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Dan Patrick
Got a lot of people weighing in on this debate about whether Jalen Brunson deserves to be on the Mount Rushmore of players that are 6 foot 2 and under. We've left a lot of people off this list. I mean we talked about John Stockton in the last hour. Steve Nash, that's another one belongs on the list. Two time mvp, didn't win a championship, but a couple of mvp, MVP awards belongs on that list.
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Paulie
Yeah, Paulie, Steve Nash officially listed at six three.
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Dan Patrick
Ooh, is he barred some of these listings? I don't know man.
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Paulie
We have to trust it though.
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Dan Patrick
All right. Yeah, six three. Yeah. Then Steve Nash is off the list. Six foot three. Just like Steph Curry off the list, six foot two and under. Stockton was under six foot two. But if Steve Nash, six three, can't count him. Doesn't belong in the six two Mount Rushmore. Did we settle on a poll question, Dylan?
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Dylan
We did, but Twitter's being difficult so there's no results yet. But I have some comments on the poll. Our best overtime in sports question, we listed the four major sports. NBA, NHL, mlb, NFL. A lot of the comments saying college football. That's a very strong case for that. And playoffs in golf, playoff at the Masters.
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Dan Patrick
What do you think the worst overtime is?
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Paulie
Yeah, Paulie, I think it's the NFL because it changes from year to year. A casual fan does not know the overtime rules when overtime will happen to like who gets it first? Does the other team get it? What? Yard line. I think it's. It changes so much.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah. The way it changes Bob. Yeah. Because you can't, you can't track how it's. Yeah. You don't know how it's all going to go every year after year. Hockey for sure for me would be number one. Yeah. Dylan.
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Dylan
And I think the NHLs are the NFL's problem too is it's like by comparison to college football, it's such a worse format that it's like everyone just like just change. If anything, just change it to the college format. I know you can't really do that but like they can improve it because it kind of ends up unfair or people feel like they got cheated a little bit.
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Dan Patrick
Now do you like the, do you like it if when baseball goes like I like it when they go like if they go 30 innings, I love it. Like, sign me up for that. I would love to be at a game that goes like 18, 19, 20 innings. They've kind of gotten away from that with these rules. Like do we, do we like that in the room here? Do we think that's. Or do we like the put a guy on second base and speed this game up?
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Dylan
I hate that.
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Fritzi
Yeah.
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Dylan
And I think like the, those long, you know, 15, 16, 17 inning games are so infrequent that it's kind, it's cool when it happens. This game ended at 4 in the morning.
- [25:37]
Dan Patrick
I'm more of like just baseball generally. Like give me a one nothing game over a seven, six game every time. Like I want a great pitcher's duel because it moves right. Like baseball is already a quicker paced game because of the pitch clock. But give me like a two hour one nothing game that ends in the ninth. And that suspense that has drama. I don't need to see home run.
- [25:58]
Paulie
It works around your schedule.
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Dan Patrick
Well, I mean I think it's, it's. To me it's just a little bit more compelling. It's a little bit more interesting to see that. Yeah. Marvin.
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Marvin
What about a pitcher's duel? But it's a lots of strikeouts as opposed to a bunch of ground outs and pop outs.
- [26:11]
Dan Patrick
Yeah, I like that too.
- [26:13]
Marvin
No matter what. Just a pitcher's duel.
- [26:15]
Dan Patrick
Pitcher's duel no matter what. Yeah. Oh yeah. Either. Either way I want to see a good pitcher's duel. Yeah. Paulie.
- [26:19]
Paulie
College football's overtime. I'm. College football is my favorite sport. But the over time is still. It has that hokey feel to it. You get the ball at the three and. And now it's even little change where you get a couple shots at the end zone for a touchdown. Then it becomes these Two point conversion series. After that it's, it's fair but hokey.
- [26:37]
Dan Patrick
Yeah, I like the college football one. I like slap mode at the 30 yard line. Put them there, let them keep going back and forth. Some of these overtimes. I love when these games end. Like nine overtime games, like. All right, well, it didn't really go nine overtimes yet, just nine possessions either way. But I think college football's got it. They figured out their overtime rules. It's pretty interesting. The NFL a little bit less interesting. Hockey though, sudden death, immediate. The way that game ended with Carolina Las Vegas last night. That's the best way to go.
- [27:04]
Fritzi
Yeah, Fritz, what about soccer where they add these random extra minutes?
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Dan Patrick
See, now you're going outside my field. All you're. Now you're way outside my, my field.
- [27:12]
Fritzi
I find that maybe because I'm not a big soccer guy, but the fact that they don't have a specific amount of time and you don't know when exactly it's going to end is very bizarre and uncomfortable.
- [27:20]
Dan Patrick
I find that bizarre as well. Yeah, probably.
- [27:22]
Paulie
Now that is not overtime. That is called stoppage time. So the game, the match is 90 minutes.
- [27:27]
Dan Patrick
I get, I see this is like a rabbit hole. I don't really want to go down. Like I get what Fritz, he is saying. And it drives me crazy too. Why can't they just stop the clock and end the game when it's supposed to be ended? But again, that just goes down, goes to a very dark place.
- [27:40]
Fritzi
We're adding three minutes, we're nine minutes, we're adding 12 minutes in the middle. All of a sudden it just ends just like football has. You could have a two minute drill. You can't have that in soccer because it just suddenly ends without any kind of fair warning that it's about to end.
- [27:50]
Dan Patrick
All right, save it for Monday. Fritzi8773DP shows the phone number. Email address dpdanpatrick.com let's take a few phone calls. Chris, in Syracuse, you kick us off. Hey, Chris.
- [28:01]
Caller
Hey. Thank you, Chris. Hey, Chris. In the open you mentioned The Knicks had 50 points in the paint. A lot of those points seemed were when Wemby was on the bench. The Knicks played totally different when Wemby was out till Brunson started to heat up. And also OKC having X Nick, Isaiah Hartenstein with Chet Holmgram. I love that setup for both of them. I mean they're much better, but it kind of reminds me of the old Knicks when they had the twin towers. Marvin Webster and Bill Cartwright one was more about defense and the other one offense.
- [28:31]
Dan Patrick
Yeah, thanks for the phone call, Chris. I. They did have a lot of points when Luke Cornett was in the game, but Wembanyama played like, I want to say 38ish minutes he was out there in the paint. I thought the Knicks did a pretty good job of dragging him away from the rim. Defending Karl Anthony Towns, you got to defend the three. And Wemby is really good at weak side defense. He can get back, he can defend the three for a while, then get back in the paint contest shots. But I think Kat presents obviously a much different type of opponent. That is a Hardenstein is Hartenstein is a paint oriented player. When Wembanyama is defending him, he can hang out in the paint. When you're defending Cat, you got to hang out on the perimeter, else he's going to burn you during these games. Sam, in St. Louis, you got a thought on the six foot two and under list?
- [29:16]
Caller
Yes. Excuse me. Yes, sir. Good morning. I would put Nate Archibald, Tiny. I mean he led the league in scoring and assists the same year he won a championship. He would definitely be on my six to an under list.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, that's a good one, Sam. Thanks for the phone call. There's a lot of guys I'm sure we're missing, especially when you get, get, you know, past or for 1990. There's a lot of guys I'm sure that belong on that list. Tiny Archibald absolutely belongs on that list. It's interesting to like, how do we measure championships do. How much credit do we give Brunson if he leads the New York Knicks to a championship over Victor Wembanyama and the San Antonio Spurs? We talked about elevating him over, you know, Patrick Ewing perhaps as the best Knick of all time. Do we bump one of these greats off the all time 6 foot 2 and under list? I don't really know the answer to that question. Subjective question there. Aaron in Fort Wayne, you're up next, Aaron.
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Caller
Hey, well, thanks for taking my call, Chris, but are we forgetting Isaiah Thomas? I mean, two championships, I mean, pretty great, great guy from the Indiana University in there. But what this, what I want to say is what the spurs have to do. I mean, they got to come out like Mike Tyson and just punch him in the mouth. And that's going to be a lot harder to do than it seems just because, I mean, I watched an anoby in college and that guy can crack a walnut between his thighs. And you know, Josh Hart plays like A power forward out there, the way he's grabbing those rebounds everywhere, it's going to be tough for the spurs, but every single guy has to be engaged. And I do have, like, a comp for Paulie with Russell Wilson. I was watching the Knicks game the other day, and I thought, like, Russell Wilson and Brunson, they have, like, similar type of, like, games. You know, it's like you're watching these guys and you're thinking, how is he doing this? Like, how is he getting the ball in the basket like this? And, you know, without Russell Wilson, you know, flanking to the sideline, that defense wouldn't have been so good.
- [31:28]
Dan Patrick
Yeah, we have Isaiah Thomas on our initial list, so he's there for sure. Two championships in Detroit. Paulie, what do you think of that comp with Russell Wilson and Jalen Brown?
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Paulie
I think we hit that a little bit on Wednesday with dp. Like, Russell Wilson came into the NFL as not a hot prospect, a really good college player, but it's almost like he didn't fit the mold of 65230 gunslinger. So he went to the Seahawks in the third round. He found his way. And even now people are like, well, he's not that great, but the stats don't bear that out. Brunson, he was awesome in college, but it didn't translate to the pro draft. You covered the draft and he was not, you know, no one wanted him, no one desired him. Even when the Knicks got him, like, we're settling for him, and it's almost like he doesn't fit the part because he can't sky over the rim and things like that.
- [32:14]
Dan Patrick
I think what we underestimated, and by we, I mean everybody in the NBA, because everybody passed on Jalen Brunson. The Dallas Mavericks could have had Jalen Brunson on a four year, $55 million deal early in 2021. They could have gone over $100 million to sign him in the summer of 2022. What people missed about Brunson was the footwork. And when I look at Brunson, I liken that footwork. Some of the great boxers that I've covered historically, like, he has the footwork of a Floyd Mayweather Jr. He has the footwork of a Muhammad Ali. Like, he's that. He's that special when it comes to his feet. Like, he doesn't shoot over anybody in terms of elevation. He's not overpowering you in the paint. Even though he is a strong guy, his ability to change directions, to move, to create angles, that's what makes Jalen Brunson special. And we didn't appreciate that before the draft when he went in the second round and the Dallas Mavericks and everybody else that has shot at Jalen Brunson. It wasn't just the Knicks that a crack at Jalen Brunson. Anybody could have taken or taken a flyer on him, gone and overpaid to go and get him. They didn't appreciate the footwork and how that would make him a great offensive player.
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Paulie
Yeah, Paul, even what you're saying there, it proves your point. Like coming out of college. Like, no one gets on social media and says, look at the footwork on that guy from Villanova. I can't wait to watch his footwork on the next level. No, we want to watch Zion Williamson at Duke and say, that's the guy we got to have.
- [33:40]
Dan Patrick
You look at the handles of a player. That's what made Kyrie Irving special. Kyrie Irving is the best ball handler I've ever seen. Like, he is great with the basketball. Allen Iverson, speed, electricity, did a lot of things special. Jalen Brunson coming out of college did not do a lot of things special. What he does special is he's got great feet. And watch some of these games. Watch game two tonight. Watch how he gets to the basket. Watch how he changes direction. Watch how he gets his shot up. How does this guy who is 6 foot 2 get his shot over guys that are 6, 6, 6, 7, sometimes shooting over bigger guys? His ability to do that comes down to footwork. And he's excellent, excellent at that. And that's what makes him special. Yeah, Dylan.
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Dylan
Yeah, I think the kind of like initial critiques of small guards is similar to quarterbacks in the NFL where they're, they're sort of like these unwritten rules that you couldn't be below a certain height. But then there's like the Drew Brees is in the Russell Wilson's to use the Brunson thing that come along and kind of disprove that. I mean, even Steph, I think like at first people were like, he's a little small.
- [34:47]
Dan Patrick
Two point guards were drafted over Steph Curry, both drafted by your Minnesota Timberwolves, Johnny Flynn and my guy Ricardo. Ricky Rubio. Yeah, Paulie.
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Paulie
We like to go back and look at draft profiles on the show because they don't match a lot what happened afterwards. And the draft profile on Steph Curry is high end spot up shooter, like the highest end of your spot up shooter. And you can't find a lot of people who picked him to be great.
- [35:12]
Dan Patrick
Now, not to go down another rabbit hole, but this is kind of one of the problems I have with at least the NBA draft process. I can't speak to the NFL and other sports, but in the NBA draft process, sometimes we don't believe what our eyes are telling us. And our eyes told us that Jalen Brunson was a brilliant player on the biggest stages. Jalen Brunson was outstanding and yet he goes all the way to the second round because what teams didn't believe he was athletic enough to be a great player, teams didn't believe he was dynamic enough. Like, I just. We don't believe what our eyes are telling us. Sometimes that happens a lot in the NBA. I think the NCAA tournament is a great proving ground for a lot of these players. Like if you have a great NCAA tournament, I don't just dismiss that as a guy having a good six or seven games. You are playing at the highest level of college basketball and you're succeeding. That should be top of a scouting report if I'm preparing to draft a guy in the NBA.
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Paulie
Yeah, Paulie, I've got the draft profile of Jalen Brunson coming to college from a high end analyst, a person, you know, I'm not going to give names. And they project him as a high end point guard, backup, combo guard, backup. They said he's a little old to come in the league and we may have seen everything.
- [36:27]
Dan Patrick
I hate that one too. I hate that one too. All of what, 21, 22.
- [36:30]
Paulie
When he started his rookie year, they said he was a heavy footed, lumpy point guard. Lumpy was a word used tough, tough word. And it just, it, it's very negative. It says great college career, very stable player. You can count on him a great role player for a good team someday. But it doesn't, there's nothing in here that says he could be a great NBA combo guard.
- [36:51]
Marvin
Yeah, Marvin, I, I have the same issue as you. They always pick the best athletes, but they never pick the best basketball players. Sometimes when it's like, man, these guys are hiding in plain sight. The only time to me is really like worked out is when like Russell Westbrook got picked fourth overall. Like, man, the average 10 points at UCLA. But look at him jump out, jump out of the gym. Or Zach Levine, guys like that, that are phenomenal athletes but didn't really produce in college.
- [37:15]
Dan Patrick
Yeah, Neagled Westbrook like he, it was a risk when they took him in Oklahoma City, but he did have the athleticism. He did have the size and Oklahoma City, to their credit, believed he could be a point guard. He was splitting the point guard duties with Darren Collison back in the day at ucla. He wasn't viewed as a long term fit at point guard, but he was 6 foot 5 and one of the best athletes we'll ever see. I just think too many times, even now, even after the success of Jalen Brunson, NBA front offices are going to get bogged down by things that have nothing to do with basketball. Like heightened athleticism, super athleticism, speed, things like that. Like give me the guy that's proven at the highest level possible that he can play basketball, and that's Jalen Brunson. Guys like Jalen Brunson should never be passed on, at least to the extent he was passed on. Again. Yeah, Dylan, I mean, you see it
- [38:05]
Dylan
with the NFL combine too. It's like this is all arbitrary. Like, that's great, you ran a fast 40. It's like, how often does that directly translate to what you end up doing on the field? Almost never. I mean, like, it just doesn't really matter. Just kind of more of a spectacle of like, oh, look at that.
- [38:20]
Dan Patrick
I mean, there's just so many draft misses over the years and you can't bat a thousand. Even the great GMs don't bet a thousand. Sam Presti's had some misses over the years. All the other greats have missed. But missing on Jalen Brunson, who was a phenomenal college player, national player of the year, those Villanova days, the national college basketball player of the year. And you're gonna let him get to the second round? He was the runner, was he? I think he was. Two years before he left Dallas, he was top five and sixth man voting. And you're gonna let him skip down? You don't want to offer four years, $55 million. It wasn't that long ago poor Dallas could have had Luca and Jalen Brunson. Tough beat for the maps.
- [38:56]
Paulie
Yeah, Paul, it's apples and oranges, but remember Draymond Green at Michigan State? I think he was two time Big Ten player of the year and he couldn't get drafted in the first 25.
- [39:04]
Dan Patrick
It doesn't always work out like Frank Kaminsky comes to mind as someone that was a great college player but didn't pan out. Whoa. In the NBA. Sorry, but I know, I know soon. Shout out Frank Kaminsky. But didn't. Didn't turn out to be a great player. Sam Decker. Sorry, Paulie. Another one of those guys like my squad doesn't always work out, but sometimes just believe what your eyes are showing you guys. Like if you see a great player making great plays on a big stage, don't use the combine or interviews to justify passing on him in the draft. All right. 8773 DP shows the phone number. Email address dpanpatrick.com Sam Amick, great writer over the athletic. He is down in San Antonio. He will join us at the top of the next hour. We're also going to talk about the Indiana Fever, the good, the bad and the ugly when it comes to the Indiana Fever and the wnba. That's all up next. This is the Dan Patrick Show. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live.
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Dan Patrick
Indiana Fever get the win last night Caitlin Clark Solid game for Caitlin Clark. Not her best, not her worst. But she did have an explanation as to why she wasn't on her best game.
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Paulie
Yeah, I mean, a little sick, but I don't know. I tried to eat some applesauce and
- [43:16]
Dan Patrick
then it just came up.
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Paulie
And then everything else in my stomach also came up so I thought I was gonna stay down.
- [43:20]
Dan Patrick
And then I found a trash can.
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Paulie
Thank God. And I haven't puked that much in a really long time, so. But then I felt fine. I felt light. So I was running around feeling good in the second half, but I feel okay. Obviously I'm losing my voice a little
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Dylan
bit, but I'll be good.
- [43:34]
Dan Patrick
Let me tell you, that is the most relatable thing that Caitlin Clark has ever said. Who amongst us? Well, I guess I should ask this. Who amongst us has never boot and rallied? We got two of them. 50% of the guys have not boot and rallied. Yeah, Marvin.
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Marvin
So this morning Paulie sends me an email. Hey, can you get the Clark, Boot and Rally comments? And I looked up on social media X ig. I googled it. Caitlin Clark Boot and Rally. I was looking for her to say the term boot and rally. And then Paulie sends me the actual clip. I was like, oh, like throw up and then get back out there. I said, man, I did not live a life.
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Dan Patrick
You didn't live that lifestyle. I mean, I have lost track of the number of times I boot and rally. Haven't done it in several years. Hopefully more than several years, but, yeah, it was once a fixture of my college life. Yeah, probably.
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Paulie
It's almost like she wanted to tell it the story. She wasn't.
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Dan Patrick
Like, how. I love the transparency. Yeah, I love it. She wants to say that story. Yeah. Fritz.
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Fritzi
I thought it was about Fever fans, that they wear these special boots to kind of get the team to rally from behind. Like a rally cap or a rally monkey. Like, the Angels had boot and rally
- [44:40]
Paulie
night at the next Fever game.
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Dan Patrick
Well, that might encourage some pretty hard drinking there. Like an award for who doesn't boot and rally. If you do boot. I don't know. That's. I mean, that's a good way to sell beer if you're in the. In the venue. Drink as much as you can before you boot, and then you have to rally. Booting. Rally is not a great thing either. Not a. Not a fun thing. Yeah, Fritzi.
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Fritzi
But if you play for a team called Fever, you might vomit eventually. You would think that you'd start getting sick once in a while, fighting indigestion.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, that's. At least twice I've regretted calling on Fritzi back there. That's. That's a couple of. That's a couple of times with a fever.
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Fritzi
She's going to throw up.
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Dan Patrick
Caitlin Clark, still a big story in the wnba and for good reason. She's a lot of fun to watch. She is the reason that I watch WNBA games. But I got to address this because it came up over the last couple of days when the Indiana Fever revoked the credential of one of the reporters that is covering the team. The reporter's name is Scott Agnes. He's been an independent reporter out of Indiana for some time, covered the Pacers, covered the Fever, also worked for the Pacers for some time, and he had his credential revoked this past week. I guess he revealed it this past week because he tweeted out some information that the Indiana Fever disagreed with. Last month, he tweeted out that Clark was out of a game against the Portland Fire, citing load management. It's not an outrageous claim. Caitlin Clark has been injured for the better part of the last couple of years. She's been dealing with Multiple things. Last season was kind of a lost cause for Clark. Now she's got a back issue she's been dealing with. While the Indiana Fever took issue with that, they refuted the reporting and then they decided to revoke the credential of Scott Agnes. Though I'm not gonna wane on the particulars of Scott. I don't know him that well. I know him from being around Indiana. I know he's had some issues with the Pacers in the past, with the NBA in the past. But my issue is is more with the WNBA writ large. Because the wnba, to me, they continue to prove that they are not ready for this moment. Like the WNBA of the last three years is having a moment. It has been fueled by Caitlin Clark. She has brought in more eyeballs than the WNBA has ever seen. Ticket sales skyrocketed. And look, I'm not dismissing the accomplishments of other WNBA players. These are great players. But the facts are the facts. The casual fan tunes in to watch Caitlin Clark. The number though of own goals that the WNBA has, the number of rakes that they step on consistently is just mind blowing. You had this situation with the Fever revoking the credentials, certainly a reprimand or a public rebuking probably would have been enough. They didn't need to revoke the credential. They decided to do it. And now this is the story. This is what people are talking about. They made a mountain out of a molehill here. And that just shows to me they're not ready for it. It goes. It goes even further. Like Kathy Engelbert, the WNBA commissioner, when she reportedly said that Caitlin Clark should be grateful for the platform that the WNBA provides. Could you imagine Adam Silver saying that about Shea Gildas Alexander or Nicole Jokic or Jalen Brunson? Now that any one of them should be grateful for the platform that they're being provided? Come on. Come on. It goes deeper than that. Like, I took issue as a reporter with how the Dallas Stars dealt with the Paige Becker's Az Fudd situation. Cutting off the reporter again, making a mountain out of a molehill. Let the young woman answer the question. She probably would have had one ready to go. Answer the question. Everybody moves on. Instead, you make that comment, you cut the reporter off, and that's the story for like three days. They just continue to show me that they're not ready for this level that they're rising to. The WNBA is hot right now. People are watching the wnba. I was telling you guys before the show, like last year, when Caitlin Clark did play. I'm looking for like the Ion Network. I'm looking to find her anywhere. I'm watching NBC. I'm watching anywhere Caitlin Clark is playing basketball. I want to see because I want to watch Caitlin Clark for the same reasons that I wanted to watch Steph Curry back in the day. She does things that are unique. People shot threes before Steph Curry. They shot threes before Caitlyn Clark. They didn't shoot them like Steph Curry. They don't shoot him like Caitlin Clark. The WNBA has to get out of its own way, be ready for this moment. It's only going to get bigger and better for the wnba. You cannot be stepping on all these rakes as regularly as they are. All right. Sam Amick, great writer over the athletic. He's going to join us in the next hour. Take your phone calls as well. Lot to get to Dan Patrick Show
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