Hour 2 – The Door Opens for LeBron to Go Home, Indy 500

Summary

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The Dan Patrick Show – Hour 2

Episode Title: The Door Opens for LeBron to Go Home, Indy 500
Date: May 26, 2026
Host: Dan Patrick
Guests: Dan Patrick’s team (Todd, Dylan, Marv, Paulie), Callers

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Overview

This hour of The Dan Patrick Show covers the aftermath of the NBA playoffs, with a focus on the Cleveland Cavaliers’ exit, speculation about LeBron James’ potential return to Cleveland, and a lively debate on player flopping and officiating in basketball. The show also recaps the thrilling Indy 500 finish and highlights standout sports performances from the weekend. The Danettes join Dan for analysis and humor, with insights from callers enhancing the discussion.

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Main Topics & Key Insights

1. Cavaliers’ Playoff Exit and LeBron Speculation

• Cavs’ Decisions Analyzed: Dan questions Cleveland’s trade for James Harden at the expense of a younger guard, Darius Garland, and how Harden has underperformed in the postseason as expected.
  • Dan: “Why am I going to bring in a guy who might be helpful during the regular season, but not during the postseason, if that's what it's all about? James Harden is not the guy.” [04:09]
• Chance of LeBron’s Return: Possibility of LeBron returning to the Cavs is raised, hinging on team trajectory and roster moves.
• Poll Topic: Did the Cavaliers “quit” in their final game? Dan and the crew debate whether “mailed it in” or “resigned to one's fate” is fairer language.
  • “I’m comfortable with saying somebody mailed it in. Put it, put a stamp on it. Mailed it in.” (Dan, [07:05])
  • “They knew this series was over and their play matched it.” (Paulie, [07:15])

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2. Flopping, Officiating, and Physicality in Basketball

• Caller Commentary: Johanse (Atlanta) criticizes NBA players for failing to call timeouts and for flopping, while praising WNBA physicality.
  • “Why can't the players be held responsible for calling the timeout?” (Johanse, [10:20])
  • “Cameron Brink... was bleeding like a UFC prize fighter... No foul was called. SGA Looks like a flopping simp...” (Johanse, [11:07])
• Physicality—NBA vs. WNBA:
  • Dan notes increased attention to WNBA physicality due to Caitlin Clark, but emphasizes it’s not new.
    • “There is physicality there. I don't find the flopping with the WNBA like I do with the NBA.” (Dan, [13:06])
  • Dylan links the issue to soccer’s gender divide in flopping.
• Flopping in the NBA:
  • The team criticizes how star players like SGA and Brunson exploit rules for fouls, diminishing the product.
    • “My goal is to beat you. That's it. My goal is to win. This is like a legal loophole for a lawyer. Do I like it? No. ... Do I understand it? Yes.” (Dan, [15:25])
  • Dylan offers a business analogy: “It's like when a massive corporation takes advantage of a tax loophole... that still sucks.” [16:58]
  • Paulie notes existing NBA rules against non-natural shooting motion, but sees poor enforcement.

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3. Analytics in Sports & Cavs’ Coach Atkinson’s Comments

• Coach Atkinson’s Remarks:
  • After Game 3, Atkinson claims: “Analytically, I think we've won two out of three.” (Atkinson, paraphrased [23:16])
• Dan’s Critique:
  • Dan and the team challenge overreliance on analytics vs. actual results.
    • “Analytics can accompany you, but I wouldn’t lean on it and say everything we do is based on analytics. Just ask the 76ers with the process all those years.” (Dan, [23:45])
  • Paulie explains Atkinson’s rationale: They forced the Knicks into expected shots, but the Knicks hit them anyway. Dan isn’t sold: “At what point do you say maybe the analytics aren’t working here?” [27:36]
• Notable Quotes:
  • “It comes across... at best as big time denial and at worst that he’s having some kind of disturbance...” (Todd, [26:42])
  • Coaching carousel anecdote: “There’s been a few coaches that get coach of the year... and then get fired.” (Dan, [33:40])

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4. Indy 500 Thrilling Finish

• Race Recap:
  • Audio highlight and reaction to Felix Rosenquist’s last-second win.
  • “Imagine driving 500 miles and you lose by less than a second.” (Dan, [09:36])

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5. Weekend Sports Highlights (Best & Worst)

• Knicks’ Upset Run: Knicks sweep into NBA Finals.
  • “The New York Knicks are headed to the NBA Finals for the first time since 1999 after sweeping the Cabs in dominant fashion.” (Caller David, [29:48])
• Other Notables:
  • Princeton men’s lacrosse wins first national title in 25 years [31:24].
  • Northwestern women’s lacrosse claims 11th title [32:02].
  • Felix Rosenquist’s $4.3 million Indy 500 win [32:24].
  • Golden Knights hockey comeback [30:40].
  • Callers joke about Cleveland’s claim to fame being Taylor Swift attending a game [30:04].
• Baseball Notes:
  • Astros achieve another combined no-hitter; MLB batting average trends discussed.

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6. Callers & Listener Engagement

• Comments and questions from listeners spark debates on:
  • Flopping/physical play
  • Coaching future for Cavs
  • Jalen Brunson’s value as a Knicks signing
    • “Yeah, I didn’t think he was a number one scorer. I’ve already said that, Jesse. ... Prove me wrong.” (Dan to Jesse, [44:40])

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7. Humor and Show Culture

• Self-mocking on flopping: “It's as if [Duke] invented that there was a class you could take at Duke on flopping. And some were summa cum laude.” (Dan, [15:25])
• Enhanced Games banter about steroids and “roid rage,” culminating in a “let’s not do steroids in the studio” bit [40:43].

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• On the Cavaliers “quitting”:
  • “Mailed it in… I’m comfortable with saying somebody mailed it in.” —Dan Patrick [07:05]
• On overreliance on analytics:
  • “Analytics can accompany you, but I wouldn't lean on it...” —Dan Patrick [23:45]
• On flopping as a loophole:
  • “My goal is to beat you…This is like a legal loophole...Do I like it? No...Do I understand it? Yes.” —Dan Patrick [15:25]
• On Jalen Brunson proving doubters wrong:
  • “I didn’t think he was a number one guy. Prove me wrong.” —Dan Patrick [44:40]
• On the wild Indy 500 finish:
  • “Imagine driving 500 miles and you lose by less than a second.” —Dan Patrick [09:36]
• Listener humor:
  • “The second [Taylor Swift] walked in, Cleveland should have said, I knew you were trouble when you walked in.” —Caller, David [30:04]

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Important Segments & Timestamps

• NBA Playoffs/Cavs and LeBron Speculation: [02:15]–[07:49]
• Debate on Quitting/Mailed It In: [06:03]–[07:49]
• Indy 500 Recap: [08:57]–[09:36]
• Caller: NBA Flopping vs. WNBA Physicality: [10:10]–[14:19]
• Flopping and NBA Officiating Discussion: [14:19]–[18:16]
• Coach Atkinson and Analytics Dissection: [22:43]–[29:39]
• Best/Worst of the Weekend (Cross-Sports Highlights): [30:40]–[32:24]
• Jalen Brunson Value/Knicks Discussion: [44:08]–[46:55]

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Tone & Style

Dan blends sharp sports insight with humor and humility – he freely admits past misjudgments ("I didn’t think [Brunson] was the number one guy. Prove me wrong."), and the Danettes offer a mix of banter, inside references, and real analysis. The show feels conversational and inclusive, with listener calls woven in for depth and spontaneity.

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Summary

This hour is a snapshot of the NBA’s current playoff narratives, focused especially on the Cavaliers’ failures, coaching oddities, and rampant player flopping. The panel critiques team building, celebrates unheralded sports like lacrosse and auto racing, and connects with passionate fans. Subtle humor and at times self-deprecating commentary make the show approachable, even as it dives into contentious topics like analytics and the future of LeBron in Cleveland.

Recommended For:
Listeners seeking smart but unpretentious sports talk, NBA playoff context, and fresh takes on controversial issues in pro basketball.

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Transcript

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[Dan Patrick]

DAN OF THE DAN that's Dan Patrick Show. Best and worst of the weekend. What you saw that you liked, you didn't like. If you'd like to be part of the program, Stat of the day is always brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the program. We say good morning. Those watching on Peacock download the app if you haven't done so if you'd like to watch the program, Todd's here, Dylan's here, Marv, Paulie, yours truly, and of course, the back room. Guys, we have a new poll question for hour two. We'll talk to Reggie Miller. He'll join us next hour. He's on the call for tonight's Game five in okc. With the Thunder favored by five and a half, the Thunder are still the favors favorites to win the title according to DraftKings +1.10, the Knicks +2.10 and then the Spurs +2.70. So even your MVP odds, SGA is still a favorite over Jalen Brunson, then Wemby, and then Carl Anthony Towns. But it's about the Knicks. They move forward. They do it in dramatic fashion from the standpoint of they didn't give anybody a chance and Cleveland had a chance in Game 1. The Knicks are the only team to have five wins by 29 points or more in a single postseason. Stat of the Day brought to you by Panini America. You know, in the NBA, you can build up a big lead and then you could lose a big lead, but to hold on to a big lead is kind of surprising unless the opposition is helping you. And it felt like that with the Cleveland Cavaliers. But they've won 11 consecutive playoff games. That's tied for the third longest winning streak in a single postseason. Only the 2017 Golden State warriors, who won 15 in a row, and the 1999 San Antonio spurs, who won 12 in a row, had more consecutive wins in a postseason.

[Rob Parker]

This is the start of the day.

[Dan Patrick]

We did talk about the Cavaliers moving forward. Is there a better chance, maybe a little higher percentage, that LeBron might entertain a possible reunion with the Cavaliers? Now, the only reason why I say that is if they had gotten to the Finals with James Harden. I don't think you're moving on from James Harden. And are you moving on from James Harden after you gave up a point guard who's 10 years younger than James Harden and Darius Garland? I didn't like the move. I understood Cleveland was swinging for the fences, but why am I going to bring in a guy who might be helpful during the regular season, but not during the postseason, if that's what it's all about? James Harden is not the guy. But James Harden has never been the guy in the postseason. But look, this a. This a team loss. Donovan Mitchell, you know, he was trying to implore his teammates like, don't give up. Don't quit. But it just felt like, hey, we're going to mail this One in. And it certainly looked like that yesterday. Poll question for hour two is going to be what? Dylan?

[Dylan]

Well, Dan, do you want a quick recap of our one poll?

[Podcast Host]

Sure.

[Dylan]

If you're the Knicks, who would you rather face in the finals, Thunder or Spurs? 58% say the Spurs.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Dylan]

Our two poll. Dan, we got a couple options. One, did the Cavaliers quit? Yes or no. Or if we come up with another term that we think is maybe more appropriate.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I was trying to come up with something that's not as harsh as quitting, because, you know, me sitting in my chair here telling a professional athlete they quit. I, you know, if a coach wants to say that or a fellow teammate wants to say that or the opposition wants to say that, then fine. But I think when you say quit, we throw it out there and it may look like, you know, the aesthetics were not good at all. It wasn't like, man, you know, we're going to be hustling here. Hey, we're still, we're, we're, they're going to have to, you know, take us out. We're not going down without a fight. And then all of a sudden, yeah, you're going down without a fight. But I don't know if there's a better word or maybe expression. I don't want to say deflated. Chris and Syracuse offered that up last hour. Yes.

[Dylan]

Dylan, what about, and this is a term I'm very familiar with, mailed it in. It's not quite. You quit.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Dylan]

You didn't necessarily max it out, though

[Dan Patrick]

I do use mail it in quite a bit. I'm, I'm okay with that. I'm comfortable with saying somebody mailed it in. Put it, put a stamp on it. Mailed it in. Yes.

[Paulie]

Paul, here's another phrase. Resigned to one's fate to passively accept a negative outcome. Resign to one's fate. I think that fits with what you're looking at on the court. They, they knew this series was over and their play matched it.

[Dan Patrick]

But I thought our goal was to come up with one word.

[Paulie]

Trying.

[Dan Patrick]

You know, I can't say resigned.

[Paulie]

How about they were uncompetitive in the second half?

[Dan Patrick]

Non competitive. Yeah, yeah. Yes.

[Dylan]

Dylan, what if we, that's the poll question as we throw those three, four terms out there and see what people resonate with the most.

[Dan Patrick]

Sure.

[Todd]

Okay.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, why not? 877, 3DP. Show operator Tyler sitting by. He'll take your phone calls. So Reggie will join us next hour. You got spurs at the Thunder, Avalanche at my Golden Knights Game 4. Hurricanes over the Canadians in overtime. So it was a busy weekend. I watched both men's and women's lacrosse championships. One on Sunday, one on Monday. I watched the entire game, the entire match. Northwestern ended up beating North Carolina. The women's lacrosse championship. Little bit of a surprise. That was a home win for Northwestern. And then Princeton dominated Notre Dame yesterday. It was fun, you know, and it's one of those. Watch some of the Indy 500, of course, you know, a photo finish there. You had sort of. I watched some golf, you know, kind of those peripheral sports, and you're like, all right, you know, got a chance. I locked in on lacrosse. I'm like, all right, I'm enjoying this. As for the Indy 500, this is how it sounded.

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Who's it going to be?

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Wow. Imagine driving 500 miles and you lose by less than a second. 500 and you lose by a second. Felix Rosenquist ends up winning it. And these guys are going over 200 miles an hour and they're like jockeying for position. That's fascinating. Finish there. All right, let's see a couple of phone calls in here. Johans in Atlanta, Johannes.

[Caller Johanse]

Hey, Dan, thank you so much for taking my call, man. I love the show. Been listening forever, man. Thank you so much. It's. It's Johanse, just like Beyonce.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, okay.

[Caller Johanse]

Yes, sir. I got two simple questions. That's it. So these players, man, they. They want to get paid hundreds of millions of dollars. They want to be a For General. They want to be the man, but they can't call a timeout. Why is the responsibility of a timeout only on the coach? I mean, you watch your team go from 20 up to single. And players, they're on. Are they not on the court or something? Why can't the players be held responsible for calling the timeout? And my second question. I love the wnba. I'm watching Cameron Brink of the LA Sparks, and she just took a shot to the grill this weekend. She was bleeding like A UFC prize fighter didn't fall to the ground, didn't come out of the. Didn't even want to come out of the game. No foul was called. SGA Looks like a flopping simp with these phantom touches. Fall to the ground. If it's really so physical, how come he never falls to the ground on defense?

[Dan Patrick]

And what else?

[Caller Johanse]

Yeah, unless you want to show me undercover tape of an owner saying they're taking this season, you can't definitively prove taking, and you set up a whole task force to do something about it. Hello, NBA. Adam Silver. Are you deaf, dumb, and blind? Do something. This product is disgusting. It doesn't even have to be anything major. Why can't they just allow a technical file to be reviewed? And if it's deemed to be a definitive file, flop, it's your technical fault?

[Dan Patrick]

All right, that's Johanse. Like Beyonce in Atlanta. Can you call a technical on somebody who is flopping? I think that's what he's trying to say. Now, I could call a foul on them, but I can't call a technical on them. Yeah, Cameron Brink, she got busted in the nose still out there. There's a lot of physicality. They let it go in the wnba. Whoo. Man. I, I, you know, I get. I grow tired of seeing Caitlin Clark complain every time. You know, it's like a luca. You know, it's. There's going to be contact, okay? You, You. You're a marked person. They have to be physical with you. They have to body you. They have to get close to you. They can't give you a step because you're going to hit that. But I'm watching, and it feels like every time down the floor, she's looking, pleading, you got to play. You know they're coming after you, and the more you complain, the more they're going to come after you. Yes, Marvin.

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[Dan Patrick]

I know everybody's an expert on the WNBA because they started watching when Caitlin Clark came in the wnba. There is physicality there. I don't find the flopping with the WNBA like I do with the NBA. I mean, Caitlin Clark is going to try to draw a foul, you know, or she's pleading for a foul and they are physical with her. Make no mistake about that. But it's been physical prior to her arrival. Yes, Dylan.

[Dylan]

It is sort of reminiscent of the women's national team in soccer versus the men's. Or it's like there. It seemed to be like a tougher product there for a while. Or there's a lot less of that. Like, flopping is not really a thing as much where obviously in men's pro soccer, it's a massive thing.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. The same with what we're seeing in the NBA with sga. We hate seeing the best player get away with some things that seem to be beneath him. But until this is on the NBA, because the player will plead, but he's not the one who's got a whistle. If you don't like it, then let the. The officials know together. Let's stop calling this. Let's stop allowing this. Yes, Paulie.

[Paulie]

There was a play from the other day with SGA pulling up for a two pointer and dear. And Fox, he doesn't even graze him. He just goes in his airspace and then backs off. And they called the foul for not letting him land. And SJ flops to the ground as if he's been bumped hard. And it got 10 million views. And for people who don't even watch a sport. It was frustrating, though.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. And I get it when you go up and you should be able to come down and have, you know, space when you land. Deer and Fox probably was crowding him just a little bit too much. There was no contact to make you fall, but he did flop and then sold it. Yes. Dylan.

[Dylan]

And Brunson does that, too. There was the play the other day where he basically. He could tell that he could jump into Harden, which, ironically, it was Harden, but he. It was not. He was not taking a real shot, just looking for the foul. And I know you say, like, the refs in the league allow them to do it, so they're exploiting an open loophole, but, like, there should be a little bit of onus on them to not just completely drag the entire game down with flopping.

[Dan Patrick]

My goal is to beat you. That's it. My. My goal is to win. This is like a legal loophole for a lawyer. Do I like it? No. I didn't grow up with that. But do I understand it? Yes. How long did we spend on Duke basketball? All the flopping that they did? It's as if they invented that there was a class you could take at Duke on flopping. And some were summa cum laude. Yes, Todd.

[Todd]

So what can they do? The league as far as with the refs, train them better to notice flopping. You know, they're already heavily trained. I know some are part time workers in different sports as far as being a ref, but do they just have to watch out for that? Even closer than they are.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. All you got to do is look at the film and say, this is what he does. This is what James Harden used to do. This is what Trey Young used to do. I mean, John Stockton used to set pics like that. Like, if you. If you want to call it, you can call it, but you have to a know what you're looking for and then be willing to either call it or not call it SGA. This is what he does. He went from a 24 point score to 32, 33. He shoots a lot of free throws. He got two MVPs. He's got a title. Why would he quit now? Like, man, I got away with this. Maybe I. Maybe I can stop here. Yes, Dylan.

[Dylan]

But to use sort of that business analogy, it's like when a massive corporation takes advantage of a tax loophole and is like, we paid $0 in taxes last year. That while technically within the framework, that is allowed. You're like, well, that still sucks.

[Dan Patrick]

It does. No, it does. I don't like seeing sga. I think he's too good a player to need this. But I understand if they're going to give this to me. Do you think that Tony Gwynn or Wade Boggs or Rod Carew would go, you know, that. That would. That was a strike. I'm just saying you're kind of giving me too many calls here at the plate. Or you're Greg Maddox and you go, that was out of the strike zone. You shouldn't be giving me that. No, nobody's doing that. Right. These guys made a career out of this. That they got the call. Yes, Paulie.

[Paulie]

So SGA needs a real nickname. The loophole can be in play. There. There is a rule, Dan. I looked this up the other day two years ago. The NBA has a rule that fouls should be called on shots that are in a natural shooting motion. And they shouldn't call things where you're like twisting your body or jumping into people, but it doesn't seem like the refs are doing it. There is a rule in place, though.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. All right, take a break. More phone calls coming up. 877-3DP show we're back after this.

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[Dan Patrick]

Thunder by five and a half coming up tonight, game five. We'll talk to Reggie in an hour from now. Kenny Atkinson, the Cavs head coach after Game 3, thought his team had played pretty well up until that point. They had lost two of the three, but here is the Cavs head coach. Analytically, I think we've won the I said three out of three. We're two out of three. And they expected follow that because I don't expect it score, you know, and we want two out of the three. I know. No One wants to hear that.

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I think you guys like hearing it.

[Dan Patrick]

I know. You know, general public, no one wants everyone's outcome based. You know, Sure, I, I get that, too. All right, so after game three, they're down two games to one, but analytically, they had won two of three. Is he showing up for game five? Because analytically, they're still alive. So that would be odd if he shows up at the arena getting ready for game five. This is the problem sometimes with analytics. We lean so heavily on analytics instead of what is reality. Analytics can accompany you, but I wouldn't lean on it and say everything we do is based on analytics. Just ask the 76ers with the process all those years, which is still interesting when you think about, let's embrace losing. So let's have a losing culture, and then when we get better, then we'll be a winning culture. Hey, we're going to get some draft picks and we're going to be a winning culture. The spurs had a winning culture. Like, we talk, we throw that word out. You know, the Heat culture, the Patriots way. And sometimes it's just, my guys are better than your guys. But the spurs did have a culture. I thought it was really telling that Greg Popovich went into the locker room and the hall of Fame coach basically dressed down the spurs and said, that's not how we play basketball. And he had a few other choice words. So this isn't even your, your head coach, but he's Greg Popovich and that's part of the culture there that they have in San Antonio, and they came out and played differently in a must win situation. So analytically speaking, Cavaliers are still alive in the postseason. Yes, Paul?

[Paulie]

I would like to know as a casual fan of analytics, what he was trying to say. That their model says they're on track to win those games or they had the right stats that they wanted in those games. It's unclear to the casual fan.

[Dan Patrick]

I don't know if somebody followed up with the obvious question of help me understand how you should have won and you should be up to two games to one. Like, that's what I want to know. Like, analytically. Okay, what are the, what are the analytics say here? Just so I can understand what your, your viewpoint is. Because we're not looking at the same picture. I don't think. Yes, Dylan, did the analytics say to

[Dylan]

not use any of your timeouts in game one when you're blowing a 22 point lead?

[Dan Patrick]

I'm not sure. I'm, I'm guessing, like, I don't know Kenny Atkinson. I think he's done a good job. But when you say something like that and then people are going, wait a minute, what's going on? That would concern me. That, okay, you're looking at something and then you see it differently because the analytics tell you that it's like looking at a piece of art and you go, boy, that that thing is priceless. Or somebody else saying, I wouldn't give a dollar for it. Okay. The analytics say you're looking at something different than I am. We're looking at the same thing. You're just seeing it in a different light. Yes, Todd.

[Todd]

It comes across to me anyway, at best as big time denial and at worst that he's having some kind of disturbance or he's just not good. Talking to the media. It just, it seemed like he was having a medical episode. That's how bizarre between the analytics and just what he said about, you know, off the. Off Game four and blaming the schedule and not having enough days of rest, which every team has to deal with these kind of things at some point during the postseason, just seemed bizarre more than anything else.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes.

[Paulie]

Paul, I found an article on cleveland.com that talks a little bit more about what Atkinson was saying. He's saying is they took the shots we wanted them to take. We took the shots we wanted us to take, and they overachieved by hitting those shots that we wanted them to take. They wanted the Knicks to take more threes. The Knicks usually don't hit a ton of threes, but they did. So it's like the plan was the plan they wanted. The result was not.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, it happened the entire series.

[Paulie]

Right.

[Dan Patrick]

So you might say a quarter, a half, maybe a game, but it was the entire series. So at what point do you say maybe the analytics aren't working here? Yes.

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[Dan Patrick]

I mean, I. I'd love to have another game. I mean, I. Knicks would probably like to have a scrimmage here. Yes.

[Todd]

Todd, does Dan Gilbert bring a coach in and said, you know, the analytics said we need to let you go. Based on the analytics of what games there we thought we were going to win, and on paper we won, but we didn't really win them.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. You have to have a true assessment of your team, though. Yeah. Like James Harden saying we're the better team. Okay. I mean, I kind of like it that you got your guys back, but you're not better than the Knicks. You didn't play better than the Knicks. You personally didn't play well at all. To say that we're better than the Knicks. If you had been better, maybe you're better than the Knicks, maybe. But the Knicks situation feels like the guy who has a drinking problem, but he keeps blaming the bartender for giving him drinks. You're the problem. You got to remedy that problem. Yes, Dylan?

[Dylan]

I kind of had an issue just with that question that the reporter asked Harden, though, because it's a lose. Like, you can't answer it. Like, if you either say, like, yeah, we're actually way worse than them, or you say, well, we just got swept, but we're better.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. No, ask me the question.

[Dylan]

Do you think the Knicks are the better team?

[Dan Patrick]

I think that they played better their style. They were. They were better prepared. And there's things that, you know, we'll look at and we'll be better next year in this situation. Keep in mind, you know, the Knicks lost to the Pacers last year, and you could say that the Knicks were better than the Pacers. We have to be better. We have to be better. Give credit to the Knicks, you know, this isn't a blame game. Give credit to them. They did beat us. They beat us soundly. And hopefully we'll regroup and we'll be back here next year. How's that?

[Dylan]

That's pretty good.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. David in Ohio. Hi, David. Then we'll give you our best and worst of the weekend. Thanks for holding, David.

[Caller Johanse]

Hey, Dan, got a best of the weekend for you. The New York Knicks are headed to the NBA Finals for the first time since 1999 after sweeping the Cabs in dominant fashion. But don't worry, Cavs fans, you can still raise the banner.

[Caller Zach]

Taylor Swift attended one of our games

[Caller Johanse]

because the second she walked in, Cleveland should have said, I knew you were

[Caller Zach]

trouble when you walked in.

[Dan Patrick]

I think Mike Breen said that Travis Kelsey was there with his fiance without saying Taylor Swift. I thought that was funny. Everybody knew. I think he was having fun with it. And then, you know, Travis courtside, pounding beers. Ah, that's love. That is love. Let's go around the room. Best and worst of the weekend. Todd, how about you?

[Todd]

Best of the weekend. I'm giving it to the Golden Knights. Down 30 after the first period Sunday night, Vegas dances with three goals in the second to tie it. Another two in the final period to take game three. They had already won the first two in Colorado, now in position to sweep the ABS tonight on their home ice in game.

[Dan Patrick]

Dylan.

[Todd]

I want to get my worst in.

[Dylan]

Oh, Todd is the worst.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, your microphone caught cut out there.

[Todd]

I was. I was clearing my throats. I didn't want to do that on the air, so I shut.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, Todd. Worst of the week, the Cubs get

[Todd]

swept by the Astros at Wrigley. They're lost on Sunday heading into a series at Pittsburgh, their eighth straight, the most since dropping nine in a row since the 2022 season. They actually lost again yesterday in Pittsburgh, two to one. What's going on with the Cubs?

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you.

[Dylan]

That feels like that was the best for you, Todd.

[Dan Patrick]

Dylan.

[Dylan]

My best.

[Cal Penn]

Then.

[Dylan]

Princeton men's lacrosse, little men's lacks. They win their first title in 25 years. And my other best, my guy, Sungjae Im with an ace on the seventh hole at the Byron Nelson. His first hole in one since 2019 at the Players. And it was. That was a long par three.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, Marvin. Best and worst of the weekend.

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[Dan Patrick]

Paul.

[Paulie]

I'm gonna give it to the other lacrosse squad, the Northwestern squad, the women's squad. I think that's their 11th title. Man, what a juggernaut. Good for Northwestern lacrosse and the other best of the weekend. I will go with Felix Rosenkivist. He's fetish and he got $4.3 million for winning the Indy 500. That last move at the end was fantastic. Great TV.

[Dan Patrick]

Zach in Knoxville. Good morning, Zach. What do you have for me today? Ap.

[Caller Zach]

Thanks for taking my call. I don't know what's worse. Kenny Atkinson saying he knows people don't want to hear it and then saying it or just not having the awareness at all. But what I wanted to ask you is do you think the cabs should one, move on from him and two, maybe let LeBron hand pick the next coach like a Steve Nash to kind of placate towards him to get him to come back?

[Dan Patrick]

I'm not ready to pull the plug on Kenny Atkinson. I mean, I. I don't know enough about the situation to be flippant and say, oh, they need to move on from him. I think he's. I think he's proven to be a very good coach. I just don't know the analytics. I Wish somebody would have said, help me understand the analytics. So then it. It softens it a little bit instead of saying, we actually won two or three. No, you didn't. You didn't win any of them. But to say, you know, the analytics show that we statistically were in position to win two of those three. Yes. Dylan, he also.

[Dylan]

He won coach of the year last year too. Right. That would be a quite the fall from grace in a short period of time if they canned him after this.

[Dan Patrick]

No, it's happened before.

[Caller Johanse]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I remember George Carl in Denver got fired. There's been a few coaches that get coach of the year. Did Mike Budenholzer, did he get coach of the year and then get fired or win a title and then get fired? Yes, Marvin.

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[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, yeah.

[Paulie]

Paul, Mike Brown, Monty Williams, Tom Thibodeau, Nick Nurse, Mike Budenholzer all got fired after winning coach of the year at some point.

[Dan Patrick]

Aiden in Utah. Hi, Aiden. Welcome back.

[Caller Johanse]

Hey, Dan. Yeah, good to have you guys back. Listen, I. I know. Okay. He won coach of the year between him saying James Harden is their best defender and analytically they are up to one. You gotta boot that guy out of the.

[Dan Patrick]

Wait, did he say Harden was their best defender?

[Caller Johanse]

No, Kenny AK said that. I did not say that.

[Dan Patrick]

No. Kenny Atkinson said James Harden is. Wait, hold on. Evan Mobley and Jared Allen are considered really good defenders. Like, they get honored as really good defenders.

[Paulie]

Yes, Paul, maybe Kenny Atkinson was trying to fool James Harden into believing you are really good.

[Dan Patrick]

You are the second coming of Gary Payton. Mitten. You are the glove. You're the mitten. Yes, Marvin, the mitten.

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He was defending his defense. He didn't say he was the best defender. Because Evan Mobley won defensive player of the year.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Wells Fargo Ad Narrator]

Either last season or the season before.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Wells Fargo Ad Narrator]

So I think he was just trying to defend this guy.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, that was the only defense played in this series with James Harden. Was Kenny Atkinson defending his defense? See what I did with that, Marvin? I doubled up a loop. Yes, Dylan.

[Dylan]

Somehow it would be even crazier to say Harden is the best defender than saying that you were analytically up two games.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, well, maybe analytically James Harden is playing was playing good defense. Maybe that's what it was. Maybe he knows somebody named Anna Lytics and maybe he's just saying, you know, according to analytics, I talked to her and she said we should be up two games to one. Yes, Paul.

[Paulie]

After game one, Atkinson said, quote, he's been one of our best defenders in these playoffs. Is that an indictment of the rest of the team?

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. I would want to know kind of where I stood on that. If I'm, if I'm, if I'm on. Give me the list here of where's James Harden if he's one of our best defenders. Terry in Seattle. Hi, Terry. What do you have for me today?

[Caller Johanse]

Hey, good morning, DP and fellas. Fritzi very accurately took my best of the weekend when he commented on the Golden Knight.

[Caller Mike]

I would just add that the Astros

[Caller Johanse]

three pitchers combining to no hit the Rangers was a pretty good feat last night.

[Dan Patrick]

Yep.

[Caller Johanse]

As well.

[Dan Patrick]

The Astros have five combined no hitters all time. That's three more than any other baseball team. But they combined to no hit the Rangers nine to nothing. The Jacob Mizarowski had 12 strikeouts, and the brewers went over the Cardinals. So 57 pitches clocked at 100 miles an hour faster. That's the most that they. They started tracking pitches in.08. So it's the most by far in a single game. But it just feels like, I mean, it's all or nothing with baseball now. It's improving. Guess how many hitters batted above.300 last year. How many players, Todd, how many players batted.300 or better? Last.

[Todd]

I'm gonna go with my favorite number. 11.

[Dan Patrick]

11. Dylan. 6. All right. Marvin.

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21.

[Dan Patrick]

Paul, 33. 7. It's not important anymore. Not important. Yeah. Bill.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Dylan]

When you see someone towards the end of the season who's batting like.303 or something, that is essentially like batting.360.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Dylan]

Not that long ago.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. It just. I'm looking at Mike Trout stats yesterday. He's batting.239, but he's got, you know, decent power numbers here. It just. Nobody, like, it's just not important. Yes.

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[Dan Patrick]

The analytics. The analytics. Hey, get up there, take pitches, work the count. Walk, homer, strikeout. Go get them next time. Yeah. Paul.

[Paulie]

In 1999, MLB had 55 players that hit over.300. Because of some help, maybe.

[Dan Patrick]

But yeah, it's true. Oh, they had those enhanced games over the weekend.

[Paulie]

Yes. I was juice for those.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Oh, okay.

[Paulie]

Sit on that line for two days, Dan. Go ahead.

[Dan Patrick]

It didn't do well, ratings wise. But then add one of the host, Emmanuel Acho, who said, oh, this shows that it's not the drugs you have to put in, the time, the. The work to make the drugs work for you. I think that's what he was trying to say. But you got to tune in and see people juiced up, swimming and running and whatever else they were doing in the Enhanced Games. Yes, still.

[Dylan]

Is it, like, Peter Thiel or Bezos, one of those guys, the, like, main investors of the Enhanced Games? I think there's some.

[Dan Patrick]

I believe so. Yeah. Yeah.

[Dylan]

Interesting.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I believe so. Yeah.

[Paulie]

Paul, there's an article. Right on cue. Enhanced Games runners have enraged beef after Sprinter loses like rage. They use that word a lot in the headlines, as you can imagine.

[Dan Patrick]

I was. I've been around a couple people who've had roid rage, but I didn't know it at the time, but, like, it was remarkable how they went from A to Z. And I was like, damn, what is wrong with him? And then a friend of mine said, roy's. I was like, oh, God. I mean, guy was jacked, but he. It. He just flipped, and I went, oh, okay. I wouldn't even do creatine, you know? Yes. Yes.

[Paulie]

Boy, what if it was, like, nascar? And after, like, a swimmer won in the Enhanced Games, he thanks steroids for all the help. Like his brand name of steroid. Thank the Dynaball people. They really helped me get here.

[Dan Patrick]

He's got it on his Speedo Dyna balls. Yes.

[Dylan]

Dylan, what if we do our own Enhanced Games here at the studio? Todd and I have been bouncing the idea around of maybe dabbling with some steroids a little bit.

[Dan Patrick]

Sure.

[Dylan]

Would you be.

[Dan Patrick]

How about hgh?

[Dylan]

Oh, we're going. Yeah, we're going all the way.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Okay. Since I'm your boss and I am human resources, I would say let's not do steroids. If you sign a waiver, then I'll let you do steroids.

[Dylan]

I'll sign my life away. Yeah, you might do a little blood doping, too. Maybe just do them all.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, you're doping, all right.

[Dylan]

Except I'm not. It's not enhancement.

[Dan Patrick]

It's not blood. Let's take a break here. More phone calls coming up. We're back after this.

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Jesse in California Good morning, Jesse. What's on Your mind.

[Caller Jesse]

Hi, Dan, first time caller. Thank you for taking my call. I just saw a clip of all you sports analysts doubting Brunson back in June 2022, and we signed him. I'm pretty sure you were saying that he wasn't worth 27 million. So I just want to know. My question to you is, is he worth the money? Even though he left a lot of it on the table, too.

[Dan Patrick]

What do you think the answer is, Jess?

[Caller Johanse]

Of course he's worth it.

[Caller Jesse]

He's worth more than it.

[Dan Patrick]

Absolutely. If you want to go back and check everybody who doubted him, you'll be working for a little while today. But thank you, Jess. Yeah, I didn't think he was a number one scorer. I've already said that, Jesse. I didn't think that he was a number one guy. Prove me wrong. You good now? You're good now?

[Caller Jesse]

No, I appreciate the call, guys. Thank you guys every morning.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, Jesse. Ah, you got me, man. There's a lot of things I've been wrong on. I don't have a problem telling you I'm wrong. I have no problem. I didn't think he was the number one guy. Yes, Mark.

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[Paulie]

I went back and looked 20, 22. When Brunson left Dallas, he was averaging 16 points a game. And a lot of the articles were, was about the Knicks not getting the guy, not getting Mitchell, the guy who was a local averaging 23 points a game. It was like they settled. They didn't say it wasn't going to work out. They said they settled.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. This is a great surprise. I thought Jaren Jackson Jr. III was going to be better than Luka Doncic. I mean, he ended up being a defensive player of the year and being a really good player. He's not Luca. You know, we swing, we miss. My batting average is pretty good. I had Jalen Brunson pleasant surprise. And he's worth every penny and then some. He took less money to help his team. All of those, all great things. Yes, Dylan. Yeah.

[Dylan]

It is kind of a testament to getting the opportunity to, to be the number One guy, I mean, not everyone capitalize on it, but he has. And I do think it's refreshing in sports today to see someone actually take less money in the pursuit of winning a title. And you're literally watching it kind of pan out in real time too.

[Dan Patrick]

I've said numerous times, he's one of my favorite players to watch because there are guys that you watch and you go, I don't know how he's doing it and doing it at a high rate, doing it on a big stage. And credit to him, you know, but he, he does have the opportunity that he didn't get in Dallas. And I think that's the big, big surprise is that it was there and players know players. If you're practicing against somebody, you know that it's like, oh my God, you know, this guy can score whenever he wants to. But you have Luca. Yes. Dill.

[Dylan]

Do you think we'll see that become more of a trend again? Because obviously, like Brady kind of popularized it in the modern era of taking a team friendly deal.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, Brady got paid all of his money. Patrick Mahomes gets paid all of his money. They restructure their deal.

[Dylan]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Shohei Ohtani is going to get paid all of his money. They just do a team friendly deal to help. Now Ohtani's going to be getting paid 50 years after I die. Brady got all of his money, but I. Brunson could have gotten more. That, that's what I thought was kind of interesting slash strange about that Mike in Tennessee. I'll squeeze you in here, Mike.

[Caller Mike]

Hey, three, three year listener, third time caller. Thank you all for making long, boring rides fun and entertaining. I got two things about flopping and complaining and then one thing for Fritz if I got time. So yes, being a big Bulls fan, not a huge Reggie Miller fan, but always had respect for him. You know, he's, he's awesome. And gained more respect him being an announcer. It was either game three or four. It was hilarious. SJ was followed by San Antonio and clear as day. Reggie Miller's like, was there contact? It was, it was hilarious. So he's even.

[Caller Johanse]

He even.

[Caller Mike]

He's getting sick of it.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, ran out of time. Call back. We'll try to get in the rest of your best and worst of the weekend. More phone calls coming up. Two hours in the books. Todd's here, Dylan's here. Representing the back row, front row, it's Marv, it's Paulie, yours truly. Final hour on this Tuesday with Reggie Miller.

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