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Hour 2 – The Mike McCarthy Era Begins in Pittsburgh, Ross Tucker

The Dan Patrick Show

Tue Jan 27 2026

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Episode: Hour 2 – The Mike McCarthy Era Begins in Pittsburgh, Ross Tucker
Date: January 27, 2026
Host: Dan Patrick (with the Danettes)
Featured Guest: Ross Tucker (CBS Sports, Westwood One, host of the Ross Tucker Football Podcast)

Episode Overview

Hour 2 of The Dan Patrick Show dives into the biggest news in football: the beginning of the Mike McCarthy era as head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers. The hosts and guests break down fan reactions, historical trends, and the "hot assistant vs. established coach" debate. Other topics include the ongoing analytics vs. gut debate in play calling, Super Bowl betting odds, the state of Rutgers athletics, and a lively visit from Ross Tucker sharing behind-the-scenes football insights, Pro Bowl commentary, and his own media adventures. The segment is filled with signature humor, sports analysis, and interactive cliche-betting games as anticipation builds for McCarthy’s Steelers debut.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Current Poll Questions and Results

[02:44] Poll 1: Which wins more games: Gut feeling or analytics?
- Gut feeling is dominating with over 70% of the votes.
- Discussion centers on how analytics and gut often inform each other and play a role in decision-making, especially in nuanced game scenarios.
[04:20] Poll 2: What do NFL fans prefer in a new head coach?
- A “young, hot assistant” vs. an “older, established head coach”.
- The crew humorously debates the term “hot assistant”, clarifies it's about coaching potential and trendiness, not looks (with plenty of playful digressions).

2. Approach to Head Coach Hiring – Potential vs. Proven Track Record

[06:04] Dan Patrick highlights how fans tend to "fall in love with potential," wanting mystery and upside (i.e., young, modern coordinators like Ben Johnson) rather than proven but less exciting hires.

“I think we like what we don’t know. I think that’s why we fall in love with potential.” — Dan Patrick [06:17]
[07:21] Discussion shifts to Steelers fans’ muted excitement for Mike McCarthy—want of a new era vs. respect for a coach with a strong offensive pedigree.

3. The Mike McCarthy Steelers Era

[07:54] Dan analyzes the Pittsburgh choice of McCarthy, noting the franchise’s tradition of hiring first-time HCs, but also their dire need for offensive improvement.

“The problem is in the last eight years, you’re in the bottom five in offense. This is a guy who does well with quarterbacks, does well with offenses, and maybe that’s what you need.” — Dan Patrick [08:03]
[12:22] The Danettes play the “Mike McCarthy Cliché Game,” betting on the first cliche in his introductory presser. Options include: “rich history of football tradition,” “culture,” “build upon what Mike Tomlin did,” “blue collar,” etc.
[13:26] Sensitivity to respecting Tomlin’s tenure is discussed—how a new coach positions himself without slighting the previous successful era.

4. The Analytics vs. Gut Debate

[10:44, 24:04-25:39]
- Multiple callers and Ross Tucker provide opinions and stats (e.g., Broncos’ bad fourth-down analytics vs. kicker’s perfect season).
- Ross Tucker emphasizes that analytics is essentially “probability,” not gospel, and teams have their own nuanced models.
“Analytics is just probability ... The issue is, how much do they take into account that you have Jared Stidham as your quarterback, it’s going to snow, etc.? … It should really just be one of the inputs … not all the inputs are built into the analytical model.” — Ross Tucker [25:30-27:52]

5. Pro Bowl Selection Critique

[21:16-22:50] Ross Tucker questions the logic of Shedeur Sanders making the Pro Bowl as an alternate and suggests a clear distinction between genuinely selected Pro Bowlers and late alternates.

6. Super Bowl Betting and MVP Odds

[15:37-18:30] Discussion on Super Bowl MVP front runners (Sam Darnold, Drake May), betting odds, and passing yard projections.
- Sam Darnold O/U: 227.5 yards
- Drake May O/U: 224.5 yards
- Vegas heavily favors Seattle players for scoring first.

7. Rutgers Athletics Financial Woes

[18:30-19:40] Rutgers athletics now over $500 million in debt since joining the Big Ten, drawing sharp, comedic skepticism from Dan and the Danettes about the purported “New York market” benefits.

Memorable Quotes & Funny Moments

On Hot Coaches:

“Have you ever looked at a coach and go, man, he’s hot?” — Dan Patrick [05:16]
“I thought he was handsome. There you go, dashing.” — Dan Patrick on Pat Riley [05:42]
On New Head Coaches:

“I don’t need a grooming coach.” — Dan Patrick [05:26]
On Steelers Tradition:

“I think he’ll say, ‘Today feels like coming home.’” — Dan Patrick, predicting McCarthy’s opening cliche [19:40]
Rutgers Debt:

“Nobody invests more in their student athletes than Rutgers.” — Paulie, satirical PR take [19:07]
“This is criminal. Like, literally seems criminal.” — Dan Patrick [19:12]
Pro Bowl Prestige Decline:

“Anybody else is just a Pro Bowl games participant and it should be noted and not on your resume.” — Dan Patrick [22:05]

Guest Segment: Ross Tucker

Starts: [19:55]

Mike McCarthy to the Steelers

“Imagine not only getting a chance to coach three NFL teams, but it’s the Packers, the Cowboys, and the Steelers. That’ll never happen again.” — Ross Tucker [33:08]
Tucker says fans seem frustrated, wanting a reset or younger era, but the Steelers ownership values perennial competitiveness and stability.

Pro Bowl Critique

“I have no idea how he was the next alternate up. … How is it: Drake May’s out, so Shedeur Sanders is in?” — Ross Tucker [21:37]

Analytics vs. Probability

Explains the customization of analytics models, the importance of context, and why gut plays a role alongside the data.

Coaching Preference

“My opinion is probably the older established coach ... everyone in life learns from your mistakes and gets better when you get a second opportunity.” — Ross Tucker [24:29]

Super Bowl UK Radio

Tucker will call the Super Bowl for UK radio with Will Gavin ([28:06+]).
“I promise you, as God is my witness, that is going to be an electric broadcast.” — Ross Tucker [28:48]
Playful exchange about British accents and the oddity of American football early-morning radio audiences in London.

Other Notable Segments

[38:03+] Callers continue the Mike McCarthy cliche game (“rich tradition,” “coming home,” etc.)
[40:47+] Light banter about pinball machines in the studio, Frank Thomas commercials, and testosterone supplement ad humor.

Timestamps for Important Segments

02:44: Hour 2 poll questions introduced.
06:08: Discussion of NFL teams favoring the “hot assistant” coaching trend.
07:54: Steelers fans reaction and historical context of Pittsburgh coaching hires.
12:11: Mike McCarthy cliche betting game begins.
15:37: Super Bowl odds and MVP favorites discussed.
19:40: Rutgers athletics debt discussion.
19:55: Ross Tucker interview begins.
25:39: Tucker’s breakdown of analytics vs. gut in football.
33:08: What Mike McCarthy brings to the Steelers.
34:48: Comparing Indiana football and Patriots turnarounds.
38:03: Return to cliche game—callers offer more predictions.

Tone and Language

The show is conversational, playful, and sports-savvy. Hosts and guests mix humor, inside jokes, and light ribbing with candid takes on football strategy, coaching, and media.

Summary for New Listeners

This episode serves as a one-stop catch-up on the coaching carousel, the Steelers’ controversial new hire, the enduring analytics-vs-gut tension in football, and a look into fan culture and sports media. Dan Patrick and the Danettes keep things lively with games, interactive polls, listener calls, and expert guests like Ross Tucker, whose frankness about the league, media, and career is always engaging. If you didn’t listen, you’ll feel fully caught up, with more than a few good laughs along the way.

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That's at about a little over 70% of the vote on that one. Yeah, that's a tough poll question too, though, because the analytics are dependent on a lot of different factors and the gut feeling is dependent on whose body that gut is in and whether you trust that feeling or not. Well, I think with the analytics, the analytics can provide that gut feeling that you're going to get data and then you have to decide do we kick the field goal or go forward on fourth and one. But you do have the information that's there. And if it's true that Sean Payton was if you kick the field goal, you're going with analytics, then he was going with his gut and going forward on that fourth and one. I just didn't like the play call to begin with and I would have taken the points with a backup quarterback and with weather possibly playing a role. I don't know what they knew and when they knew it. I'd be curious. I don't know if Sean Payton's doing an exit interview or if he just did it after the game. But what were you told about the weather? Because I would really want to know that. Hey, we were told at some point in the second half that it was coming. What were you told? What were the conditions going to be like? That's what I would be curious about. 8773 DP show email address dp@danpatrick.com Twitter handle @dpshow the hour two poll question. Seaton one from Paul which would NFL fans prefer in their new head coach, the young hot assistant coach? Why do we need to have hot in there? They always say the hot candidate. Oh, not hot looking. It factors in. Okay, well then this isn't going to make any sense because your suggestion is the more Rugged, older, established head coach. What is rugged, rugged good looks? Hello. I'm just kidding. Say that. Hello. The young, hot assistant head coach or the older, established head coach? Okay. I think it depends on the franchise. More of a salt and pepper grade. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Paul. So this is like a blind choice. What would a fan base want without a name attached? You could have the hot offensive coordinator. It's got to be hot. It doesn't have to be. They have to be hot. Like. Like Matt LaFleur. Han. Yes. Football hot. Okay. Bouldering hot. Bouldering. Okay. So the less experienced. Have you ever looked at a coach and go, man, he's hot? Yeah, of course. Yeah, you have. Or I said, like, that's a good looking guy who takes care of himself more so than hot. I think. I don't. I don't need a grooming coach. Like, I don't need somebody who. Matt LaFleur's part in his hair. It's razor like. I mean, Pat Riley, don't get me wrong. Back with the. The Lakers. Showtime. Lakers. So you thought a coach was hot? I thought he was handsome. There you go, dashing. So we're changing this to a young, handsome head coach or is it smoldering? I don'. How old? A young, hot assistant or a handsome older coach? So basically the theory is okay, if a coach is inexperienced, young, and the desired candidate. A hot candidate. Yeah. Like. Like everybody wants Ben Johnson. Exactly. Okay. Or the older coach who's been around a couple stops, so. Mike McCarthy. Yeah. And has had success, but maybe not the ultimate success. Success. Even though he's one. I think we like what we don't know. I think that's why we fall in love with potential. Like that guy right there. You know, what he is and what he can do. Okay. That guy. Yeah. And we did this with Joe Flacco. Like, you'd go like, oh, well, okay. But Joe Flacco was a money quarterback, a very good postseason quarterback, but he just didn't fit what we wanted. We wanted. We wanted a Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and, well, there's only, you know, one of each. And then you'd go, yeah, okay, well, we got that guy. We like what we don't know. Yes. Marv.

Dan Patrick (7:39)

I know. You know, he, he delivered the mail to Sean McVeigh. Well, we should hire him now. Yes. Paulie, I'm curious if Steelers fans are excited today. I would say no. See, I think that's odd because it seems like they wanted a new head coach for a couple years now. They got what they wanted and their coach stepped down voluntarily. And now they have a guy who does have a history of reviving offenses. When he got to Dallas, their offense was ranked 17th. The next three years they were ranked 1 in the league. Fourth in the league. First in the league. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Like I think the, it's not the way that the words were intended, but I think that you nailed it. They wanted a new head coach, not a guy they retread through a bunch of different teams. They wanted a new head coach. Yes. Yeah. Somebody who doesn't have a proven track record as a head coach. It's like we, hey, Bill Coward didn't have that. Mike Tomlin didn't have that. Chuck Noel didn't have that. Okay, but you've been a defensive minded team for decades. The problem is in the last eight years, you're in the bottom five in offense. This is a guy who does well with quarterbacks, does well with offenses, and maybe that's what you need. What is what you need? But Mike McCarthy will be holding his press conference in Pittsburgh in a few hours from now. We'll get phone calls coming up. We're actually going to talk to an analytics expert coming up in an hour from now. Sam Schwartzstein, he works for Thursday Night Football. He's their analytics expert. He's a Stanford guy. So we'll ask him about the data that you get. And can you get data in, you know, in the middle of the game, can they update that, the analytics to factor in weather? Now, you've already factored in a backup quarterback, but now the wind, you know, snow's coming in, how well the opposition is playing. And as I've said before, with analytics. If we have analytics, shouldn't you have the same analytics as usual? Yes, Paulie. And this guy, Sam Schwartzein, he was with the XFL a few years ago and created the dynamic kickoff that the NFL eventually adopted. Okay, smart guy. So that'll be when he went Stanford, although Ross Tucker went to Princeton. But he says that he wasn't really smart. He just got into Princeton because he could play football. I'm okay with that. I'm not surprised he got into analytics. Given his history in running casinos. Sam Schwarzeneg, Sam Rothstein. Oh, Sam Rothstein. If you've seen Casino this. Oh, yeah, I did. Robert De Niro, Joe Pesci, Sharon Stone. It's a good movie. Yeah, I saw it. Doesn't end well for Joe Pesci. No. Or his brother. I know. God, that was bad. That is a bad thing. Holy. Because you know what's gonna happen. You don't want it to happen, you know, because you like Pesci. Sharon Stone was awesome in that movie. She was. She was unhinged, as they like to say. Yes. And as an old school baseball fan, I didn't like that they used aluminum bats. Wow. I wish I used maple on those guys. That's what I was thinking. Yeah, it had that familiar ping. Yeah. Like lsu. Yeah. Dennis in Long Beach. Hi, Dennis. What's on your mind? Good morning, gentlemen. With the analytics. The Broncos were only 50% during the season. On fourth down with Bo Nicks, and they ranked 22nd in the NFL. The Patriots were number two at stopping fourth down plays. And on the road, 27% of the time, the opposing team was successful. In the meantime, their kicker, this basically a point after kick, a point after touchdown, he was 39 or 39. So I don't know about those analytics, but they seem like a pretty good chance to me. And on the poll question, it really comes down to do you want Matt LeFleur or Andy Reid? I'll take the cheeseburger. All right. Thank you, Dennis. Tim in Green Bay. Hi, Tim. Hey, Dan. First time, long time. Love the show. 5, 10. 2. 10. Ish. First things first, my wife's name is Danette. She's a huge fan of the show. I want to. I want to give you the cliches, Mike McCarthy that you don't want to hear as a Pittsburgh Steelers fan. Okay. The first one is we got to clean up our own house. That was a impersonation. A bad one. And the second one is.

Dan Patrick (14:38)

Could cushion him, say, in a certain way tonight. Unlike Mike Tomlin, who couldn't win one playoff game. I'm going to get the seventh that Tomlin couldn't do for 20. That's what I want to hear as a Steeler fan. Yes. Seaton. I wonder if he tries to, like right out of the gate, draw on his, like, you know, I'm a local guy. And he gets up there and he's like, so how are Yin's doing? So I'm from here, so I say Yin's too. Just like you guys. We're all Yinzers, right? Yeah. Me, I'm one of us. Well, maybe he Brings an iron city light. Put a beer up there. Hey, how are yin's doing? Nate in Florida. Good morning, Nate. What's on your mind today? Hey, you guys. Six, three and a solid. Well, not so much solid. 550. I just wanted to give a big praise to my Seahawks for making it back to the game of games. And. And it looks pretty good for me. And being a transplant into Florida from Seattle, I've been taking a little heat down here, but I'm living through it because I got skin in the game still. So the big thing that I wanted to bring up to you guys was that I want to thank the AFC for making our job and the NFC so much easier by getting rid of all these great coaches and have them start over again for no apparent reason other than they just we need a change. So if that's what they want to do, then you know what? I will win the next three or four Super Bowls, no problem. All right. All right. Karma karma. Could go back, invite you there. Super bowl odds. Sam Darnold, Drake, May, Jackson, Smith, Najigba, Kenneth Walker Jr. III and then Stevenson, Shaheed, Stefan Diggs in there, long shots. But basically you have four players. Best odds to win MVP led by Sam Darnold, Drake, May, JSN and then Kenneth Walker Jr III. Vegas really feels strongly about somebody from Seattle scoring first in this game because Kenneth Walker and Jackson, Smith, Jigba, they are the two favorites, big favorites. And then Stevenson after that, aj, Barner, Hunter Henry and Stefan Diggs also on that list. But the line staying at four and a half. I don't think it's going to change unless there's any injury update. The over under is 45 and a half. I'm always, you know, curious about the over under, Pat. Okay, here, can I. You know what? I'll take a break and I'll come back. I got a couple of questions to ask you before we get to Ross Tucker. More of your phone calls as well. We'll take a break. We're back after this Dan Patrick show. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, it's Ben, host of the Fifth Hour with Ben Maller. Would mean a lot to have you join us on our weekly auditory journey. You're asking, what in God's name is the fifth hour? I'll tell you, it's a spin off of the Ben Mather show called hit overnights on FSR Why should you listen? Picture, if you will, a world where we chat with captains of industry in media, sports and more every week. Explore some amazing facts about human nature and more. Listen to the fifth hour with Ben Mather on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast. New year, new goals, and in this economy, a better money plan is more necessary than ever. I am Matt. And I'm Joel. We are from the how to Money podcast and every week we help you to spend smarter, save more, and make sense of what's going on out there. If you want 2026 to be the year you finally feel in control of your money, we're here to give you the tools and advice to help you make it happen. Listen to how to Money on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What if mind control is real? If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car?

Todd Fritz (29:39)

A thousand percent. Great. And that's the thing, like analytics is just probability. And I. I know stink was on with you guys yesterday, and you have a lot of attention because he doesn't like nerds and all that stuff. You know, I know that any player that's ever played, the defensive coordinators pour over tape to try to identify what you're most likely to do in these situations. You know, when they're in this personnel grouping, there's 75 run to the right or 32%. What? What? I'm just making it up. Okay. All that the analytics are trying to do is allow you to know what the probability is of each decision you could make. The issue I have. Dan, let's talk about the Sean Payton decision. All right? And let's just say, because I saw where Greg Olson said the analytics said to kick, which surprised me, by the way. Fourth and one from the 14. That would surprise me. I'd like to talk to Greg about that and see where he's getting that information. But these are living, breathing games. Like, do the analytics, which you've created before the game, how much they take into account that you have Jared sit them as your quarterback, how much you take into account. It's going to snow in the second half. How about the fact that if you kick the field goal, you're going up by two scores. That's why I think it's really important that these coaches take into account what the win probability tells them, take into account what the analytics recommends, but then also use your own judgment. It should really just be one of the inputs that you're factoring into ultimately making the decision, because some of the other inputs you should be considering are not built into the analytical model. Which by the way, every team has their own. So when you see these like tv, these games are like the analytics say. Yeah, the analytics is not some bible that is like every team's reading from the same book of analytics. It's every team has their own model based on their own things that they value and don't value.

Dan Patrick (41:01)

That's Ross Tucker. Ross Tucker football podcast. And he'll be on the call. Super bowl analyst Talk Sport UK radio. Yeah, Seaton, have you seen the guy that does the, the like UK calls the football announcer. His name is like Will. Yeah, he was talking about. Yeah, Will Gavin. Have you seen his calls? No. He's spectacular. Oh, dude is unbelievable. Well, Ross will be a great foil for him. Ross. Ross will have fun too. He's great. He's really, really. All right, let's take a break. More phone calls coming up. We'll talk analytics at the top of the hour. That'll keep you. We're going to talk to smart people at the top of the hour about football analytics. Reggie Miller will stop by as well. We're back after this. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Dustin in Alabama. Hi Dustin. Morning fellas. Fantastic show yesterday. Just two quick things. One, I think it was a small missed opportunity for a best of this past weekend. What a fantastic name and showing by Blaze Brown, 18 year old golfer playing the final round with Scotty yesterday. I mean Sunday. And then regarding analytics, just from my experience and now becoming an avid listener of the DP Takes a Gamble show. Just do the opposite of whatever Dylan says and you'll be a winner. You're right, Dylan is a terrible gambler but he's very entertaining at being terrible. Dan Patrick Takes a Gamble podcast. Let's see Tom in California. Hi Tom. Good Morning, Dan. Dan, thanks for calling me back. Yep. The first time I called you a few years ago, I said I was in desperate need of losing £100. On my recent 73rd birthday, I clocked in at £101 lost. Not about. A round of applause for Tom. Yeah, Tom, how'd you do it? Plethora of content. I'll try to make this quick. Mike McCarthy cliche, rich tradition. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Tom. Rich tradition. I. I'm coming home. That's. That's. That's Mike McCarthy. Whatever. One comes first is your winner in the Mike McCarthy. I didn't know we were going to play the Mike McCarthy cliche game until I got in and Seaton goes, let's play the Mike McCarthy cliche game. I said, tell me what it is. He said the first cliche that he says at the press conference. Who's going to guess it? I feel like rich tradition is sort of in line with my thinking. Yeah, it is. Yeah. Yes. Marvin.