Hour 2 – Thursday Night Football, Derek Carr, Clippers Investigation Update

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show

Date: September 11, 2025
Episode: Hour 2 – Thursday Night Football, Derek Carr, Clippers Investigation Update

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Dan Patrick Show kicks off Hour 2 with lively banter about Thursday Night Football, insight into quarterbacks as TV analysts, a featured interview with former NFL quarterback Derek Carr, and breaking discussion on the Los Angeles Clippers investigation involving potential cap circumvention tied to Kawhi Leonard's endorsement payments. The show is peppered with humor, sports wisdom, audience calls, and thoughtful tributes, all delivered in Dan Patrick’s trademark conversational, candid style.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Thursday Night Football & Poll Questions

(Starts ~02:23, Key Segment: 05:05–06:17)

• Game Preview: Focus on the Washington Commanders vs. Green Bay Packers; "The Commanders are getting three and a half at the Packers. The over/under is 48 and a half." (Dan Patrick, 05:25)
• Fan Engagement: Polls ask which NFL table fans would rather dine at—Patrick Mahomes or Travis Kelce. Kelce leads at 66%.
• Bandwagon Poll: Packers are the hottest NFL bandwagon (60%). Polls reflect hesitation around the Chargers: "We've been burned before." (Dan Patrick, 05:15)

2. Quarterbacks as Analysts: Communication & Accessibility

(06:17–08:52)

• Conversation on how quarterbacks have a unique football "language" that analysts must translate for fans.
• "If you’re going to be an analyst, you gotta make sure...you talk to everybody so they know exactly what that is." (Dan Patrick, 06:37)
• Praise for analysts like Troy Aikman, Dan Orlovsky, and John Smoltz for their clarity and speed in breaking plays down for audiences.
• Learning curve for analysts who get further from the game: staying up-to-date with terminology, personnel, and schemes becomes crucial.

3. Listener Calls: Moral Victories and Emotional Moments

(10:40–16:47)

• Moral Victories in Football: Callers ask if the Commanders could claim a moral victory or become NFC favorites with a big win in Green Bay.
• 9/11 Remembrance: Dan shares a heartfelt story about his firefighter in-laws and the aftermath of September 11, 2001:

  "They would go to two or three funerals a day and then they would be working at the World Trade Center 24 years ago." (Dan Patrick, 12:06)

• Sports and Patient Fans: Listeners vent about the patience required of Indiana sports fans amid recent heartbreaks.

4. Derek Carr Interview: From QB to Analyst

(22:29–35:08)

Becoming an Analyst

• Carr discusses his YouTube/podcast transition:

  "I just tried to, you know, mimic what [Jon Gruden] did, and it kind of worked out." (Derek Carr, 23:27)

Breaking Down Quarterback Play

• Insights on Justin Herbert and consistency amidst coaching changes:

  "He's just so consistent, so accurate, and he’s so tall...rarely fooled, which is really, really a luxury." (Derek Carr, 23:54)

• Young QBs make familiar mistakes because speed of the pro game is on another level.

The Art of Playing QB

• Trusting the pocket:

  "You just gotta make a decision, really, as a man. Say, 'I'm going forward.' ...You gotta go forward. You gotta climb." (Derek Carr, 26:13)

Fun Anecdotes

• Carr shows off his Jon Gruden impersonation with a story:

  "'I want completions.' He goes, 'No, I want communication, you idiot.'" (Derek Carr as Gruden, 27:10)

Life After Football—And Maybe Back Again?

• On his decision to retire (and leave $30 million on the table):

  "It wasn’t easy, I promise.... I wasn't ready." (Derek Carr, 29:30)

• Home life: Wednesdays are now for date nights; "I'm not getting hit. So it was good." (30:59)
• Temptation to return? Mostly from brother David, but says he’s content for now:

  "Right now, today, I’m not coming back." (32:09)

Thursday Night Football Breakdown

• The real test: health and ball security, stressing that short prep weeks make for messy games.

On Peyton Manning’s Legacy

• "That's the best way to play football...but now with the CBA, coaches don’t even have time to teach the game like we did." (Derek Carr, 34:15)

5. Clippers/Kawhi Leonard Investigation & Adam Silver’s Response

(44:55–47:28)

• Pablo Torre’s reporting suggests Clippers minority owner Dennis Wong invested almost $2 million in a company that then paid Kawhi Leonard.

• Dan’s critical of the situation:

  "There's something here. And I would ask the commissioner, what is your next move?" (Dan Patrick, 46:19)

• Adam Silver’s on-record, cautious, legal answer:

  "I’d be reluctant to act if there was a mere appearance of impropriety...the goal of a full investigation is to find out if there really was impropriety." (Adam Silver clip, 45:38)

• Discussion of possible repercussions for Clippers with already limited draft capital.

6. NBA Skill Evolution — Steph Curry’s Take

(47:40–49:51)

• Steph Curry, on Today Show, calls modern NBA "the most skilled era of basketball history."

  "1 through 5 and all the way down the roster...this is the most skilled era of basketball history." (Steph Curry, 48:12)

• Dan and crew discuss the skill evolution across all positions and how the analytical, three-heavy style may eventually further evolve.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Quarterback Lingo in Broadcasting:
  "If you're going to be an analyst, you gotta make sure that... you gotta speak to a large, large group of people, not just people who play football."
  — Dan Patrick (06:37)

• Derek Carr on the Reality of Retiring from NFL:
  "To say no to the money part of it, I had to die to myself on that one. I had to be like, what's the right thing to do?"
  — Derek Carr (30:03)

• Derek Carr’s Jon Gruden Story:
  "'I want come...' And I said, 'completions.' He goes, 'No, I want communication, you idiot.'"
  — (27:10)

• Adam Silver’s Take on Clippers Situation:
  "I would be reluctant to act if there was sort of a mere appearance of impropriety...the goal of a full investigation is to find out if there really was impropriety."
  — Adam Silver (45:38)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Poll Question/Bandwagon Talk: 04:02–05:22
• Quarterbacks as Analysts: 06:17–08:52
• Caller Shares 9/11 Memories: 11:38–13:45
• Derek Carr Interview: 22:29–35:08
• Clippers Investigation/Adam Silver: 44:55–47:28
• Steph Curry on Today Show/Skill Evolution: 47:40–50:27

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Tone & Style

The episode features the show's signature mix of light humor, accessible sports analysis, and deep-dive interviews. Dan and the crew riff on QB culture, poke fun at themselves, and engage listeners from diverse backgrounds—and Derek Carr’s candor and wit as a guest makes for especially engaging radio, with the conversation weaving seamlessly between football tactics, personal anecdotes, and life after the NFL. The serious note of 9/11 is handled with respect and sincerity.

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Conclusion

The Dan Patrick Show Hour 2 delivers a smart, fun mix of sports news, fan polls, expert analysis, heartfelt listener moments, and a candid, must-hear interview with Derek Carr. The Clippers investigation coverage and Adam Silver’s cautious responses illustrate the show’s ability to break down complex, timely issues for fans. All together, an engaging episode for sports followers seeking both depth and entertainment.

Transcript

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You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio Hour 2 on this Thursday. It's a Meat Thursday. We're double dipping but it's because I got a shipment from Heartland steak co and got steaks and pork chops and they're so good. And I thought, you know what? Let's have Friday meet Friday and meet Thursday as well. So filet mignon, grilled rib eyes, teriyaki pork chops, watermelon, arugula salad, corn on the com. Who has it better than we do? Nobody. Merch store is open for business. Go to danpatrick.com got some new gear in there. Stat of the day brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the program. From the crew that brought you the office comes the new comedy of underdogs with major issues. The paper streaming now only on Peacock 877-3. DP Show Email Address DP dan patrick.com Twitter handle @DP Show Derek Carr, former NFL quarterback, now an analyst on YouTube. He'll join us later on this hour. Nick Wright. Nick Wright's responsible for the poll question, at least the first hour. Poll question. He is going to Kansas City, taking the first things first show to Kansas City. And he's been invited to the 1587 restaurant. Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey and I was wondering which table would you sit at if you could sit with Patrick Mahomes and family or Travis Kelsey and family. And what's the updated poll results?

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Seaton Updated poll results we got right now. Whose table would you sit at for dinner? Patrick Mahomes or Travis Kelce? Travis Kelce has jumped up to a sizable lead, about 66 right now.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, that's the right answer.

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Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

I mean, that's a better story to tell. This is all about content. I mean, Patrick Mahomes, you know, tell me again, you know, about, you know, winning Super Bowls or the look, you know, no look. Pass. All right, Kelsey, I got things to talk to him about. I don't know is okay or Andy Reid.

[Paulie]

Oh, a couple beers and Andy Reid. That seems like fun.

[Dan Patrick]

I, I would probably go Kelsey. Andy Reid, then Mahomes.

[Paulie]

That George Carloftis is a wild time.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, you know that don't sleep on Isaiah Pacheco. You know, Chris Jones might be entertaining.

[Paulie]

Yeah, he can eat.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, he might be entertaining. All right, so it's a meet Thursday here. More phone calls coming up. And what's poll question for hour two?

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Seaton just put up there. Currently the hottest bandwagon in the NFL. Polly sent this one over. Chargers commanders packer.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

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Right now the packers have about 60% of that vote as well.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I thought there'd be A few folks with that Chargers bandwagon, they're in second. Yeah, well, we've been burned before.

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Slightly ahead of the commanders. It's really neck and neck.

[Dan Patrick]

And we got football coming up tonight. Salute the commanders. The commanders are getting three and a half at the Packers. The over under is 48 and a half. Case you're wondering, see anytime score, who has the best odds to score first, which player? If you said Josh Jacobs, you would be correct. And then Terry McLaurin, Debo, Jayden Daniels. Yeah. So that's a fun Thursday night there. Fun Thursday night. Get some phone calls in here. And Derek Carr once again will join us. David Carr was with us yesterday, did a great job and Derek Carr has been doing some analysis on YouTube, breaking down some games and by all accounts is got a bright future. Yes, Paul.

[Paulie]

Do you guys notice and redundant. But like when we have quarterbacks on this show. We had David Carr on yesterday, we had Mark Sanchez. We have quarterbacks on a lot. It's like they have their own language. And it's, it's tough for us as somewhat civilians to learn. They use different phrases that are just. You learn them over time, but it takes a while to learn their language.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, they do have their own language. They have to have their own language. But if you're going to be an analyst, you got to make sure that. And dumb it down is probably not the best description, but I think you got to make it so the audience can understand this. Troy Aikman does a very good job. You know, you have certain analysts that they're speaking above you. And I would tell any of these analysts, you got to speak to, you know, a large, large group of people, not just people who play football, played the position. You got to talk to everybody so they know exactly what that is. And I got to be honest, David Carr gave me a couple of expressions terms yesterday and I thought, I'm not even going to bring it up. And I just thought, you know what, maybe another day. But they do, they have their own little language, their own little fraternity that they're bringing things up, especially the quarterbacks. Yeah, Paulie.

[Paulie]

I think Orlowski does a good job of both being with really good terminology, but explains that he was showing a few different bad plays in the NFL and he explained this is on the receiver. The receiver ran this route and that wasn't the right way. Like, oh, you understand better. I think Smoltz does the same thing in baseball. He paints a picture and explains things that a civilian can't know.

[Dan Patrick]

I think it started with Tim McCarver. I thought McCarver was really good, then probably got too good at giving you, I'll tell you. And then he would give you the inner workings of a play. And. And. But I'm always amazed at football analyst Herb street when, you know, he's doing a game and all of a sudden they're going to. He's got like 20 seconds to then get ready and tell you what. What happened on the play. And that, to me, that's where you make your money, that. You know, the why part of a play. And to be able to do it really, really quick, that. That's a short list of those who can do it really, really well. Yes.

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[Dan Patrick]

And, you know, when you have these analysts and they're up top, they can be looking at the monitor, but really you want to be looking at the field from above because it shows you more. Like you can take a snapshot of this is where everybody was when the ball was snapped, and then what happens? And then you can go back. Now you have to put that together. You got to dissect it, put it together and do it in 20 or 30 seconds. And. And plus analysts. And I would say this to any analyst who asked for advice, the further you get away from the game, the more dangerous it is for you. And by that, I mean, Derek Carr played last year. He knows everybody. He knows. What is the terminology now? It's, you know, guys like Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth, Troy. The further you get away, the more you have to study. You have to know personnel. You have to, you know, it's almost like you have to put in more time, because the other part, when you just got out of the game, it's really easy. You got to put more time in the further away from the game that you get, because you got to get numbers. You got to get names. You can't give me numbers, personnel, defensive coordinator, offensive coordinator, all of those things. And I would tell analysts, and even when I was at Football Night in America, Tony and Rodney had been away from the game for a while, and it was incumbent upon them that they had to know who's. Who's now, what's now, what's the hot offense, terminal, all of those things. And you got to put in the time if you want to continue to do that job at a very high level. All right, Couple of phone calls, Keith and Chico. Hi, Keith.

[Caller]

Good morning. Guys. Just a couple of questions. Earlier you were talking about moral victories when a team loses.

[Dan Patrick]

Yep.

[Caller]

Find that to the game tonight. The commanders lose the close game. We consider that a moral victory. My second question. If the commanders win in commanding fashion, would you consider them the top team in the nfc? Thanks for everything, guys. God bless America.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, Keith. It's the Eagles until they lose. But this, this would be a huge, huge win for the commanders considering how they won last year. You go into Green Bay and you beat Green Bay there, that's a big, that's a signature win there. But I don't think it would be a moral victory if you go in there and you play it close. You're the commanders. You're expecting to go to the Super Bowl. This isn't about. I'm talking about the jets with a moral victory or the Browns with a moral victory. Dan in Ohio. Hi, Dan. What's on your mind today?

[Caller]

Hey, Dan. What's going on? Thanks for calling me back.

[Dan Patrick]

Yep.

[Caller]

I just wanted to say something about 9 11. I didn't have a TV at the time. My best friend and I were living in an apartment in Belleville, Ohio, and we got a phone call to let us know what was going on. And it was, it was a trip. It was a trip.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Yeah. It was 24 years ago this morning. And some people have asked, you know, what happened to your brothers in law. They didn't get to, they, it was called the pile after, you know, the, the fire department firefighters would call it. They went to work for the pile. They would be there for three months. And, you know, they've come across things that you shouldn't come across. Bodies. But they couldn't get. One couldn't get through the, the Battery Tunnel. And the other one had problems. He was in rehab. He had been hurt on the job as a firefighter, and they wouldn't let him out to go over to the World Trade center to that site. But they were, they would go to funerals. They were trying to represent the firefighters for all of these people who died. And they would ask firefighters to go to funerals. And they're people that they didn't even know. They wanted to make sure that there was some kind of representation from the firefighters and to be around all of the firefighters really, from around the country. It's not just the New York, you know, the five boroughs. You had firefighters who came in from all over and amazing. Like they talk about a brotherhood and then you see it in real time. But they were going to funerals. They'd go to two or three funerals a day and then they would be working at the World Trade Center 24 years ago. Let's see. Kevin in Texas. Hi, Kevin. What's on your mind today?

[Caller]

Hey, D.P. that's a great story about your in laws in the worst transition. I'm going to try to lighten the mood here a little bit. Sports, semi wise. You know, I'm guessing in Sochi we had Costas listed on the injury report as doubtful. With pink eye, you were probably probable with flu like symptoms. Now, if you had to go through the Dan s, obviously we'd have Paulie likely with the left eye. But could you imagine how big and you can't remember. You can't cheat and leave something off. How Todd's injury report would list and what that would look like.

[Dan Patrick]

Todd would be. Wasn't Brady on the injury list every single week with the Patriots? His shoulder, Todd would be on the injured list. You know, a variety of things. Brock Purdy. It's toe and shoulder. Yours would be foot. Your elbow. Did you get hurt in Wiffle ball? Yeah. There's the elbow.

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Michael in Chicago. Hi, Mike. What's on your mind today? Hey, Mike. Jordan in Indiana. Hi, Jordan.

[Caller]

How's it going? Dan, thanks for taking my call. First time. 5 11, 200. So two quick things. You were talking about the shingles earlier. My mom had shingles when I was like 10 years old. Not a good time for me because she made me put the ointment on her back. That's disgusting. I'm glad you got the. Glad you got the vaccine. But also as an Indiana sports fan this year, definitely test your patience and makes you wonder why you like sports. Between going to the finals on a miracle season and then Halliburton goes down and then Anthony Richardson goes out and then Daniel Jones surprises with a big Week 1 win if he beats the Broncos this Sunday, the sky is the limit.

[Dan Patrick]

So just wanted to put that in there. All righty. All right. Thank you, Jordan. Yeah, I went and got these shingles shot yesterday along with the flu shot and the COVID shot. I did the three Pete trifecta. Yep. I'm a tough guy in there and man, did it hit me. I got, I got flu like symptoms and Marvin accurately pointed out that this could be my flu game. Just like Michael Jordan. Maybe this is the day. This is the show.

[Paulie]

A lot of people pray.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Thoughts and prayers for me that I'm going to be but I'm doing okay. Like the energy of the show and.

[Paulie]

You were moving at a glacial pace when you, we didn't hear you walk in and I heard this little shuffle next to me and you.

[Dan Patrick]

I know I said I'm, I'm in trouble here. Yes.

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[Dan Patrick]

Well, that's a reminder for me not to complain and why, dude, don't do as I don't be Todd. Don't be a Todd.

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[Dan Patrick]

That's good. No, no. But you know, I appreciate the support that I get in this building and the fact that Dylan has got some stakes out there. I'm going to feel a little bit better there. So we'll talk some football. We'll talk to Derek Carr. He'll join us coming up next. Nick Wright from Fox Sports will join us a little bit later on as well. We'll take a break. Hour two Dan Patrick show. We're back after this. Be sure to catch the live edition.

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[Dan Patrick]

Phone calls coming up. 877-3DP show. Good morning. If you're watching on Peacock, that's our streaming partner Derek Carr. Former NFL quarterback and now a YouTube sensation. Pre and post game studio analysts along with Brandon Marshall and Tyron Matthew and they did the Chiefs Chargers. Hey, the reviews were really good. How comfortable did you feel as an analyst?

[Derek Carr]

You know it's funny, it was, it was just easy because I, I got to break down film. I was like I've been doing this for 20 years. And so I was like don't make me get on here and talk a whole bunch. Just let me, let me do let me do some film.

[Dan Patrick]

But, you know, that's the thing, breaking it down. But then you're able to give it to us so we understand what's going on. Because your language, quarterbacks, language and terminology, like sometimes even your brother yesterday when we had him on, he's telling me things. I go, I'm not even going to interrupt. I have no idea what he's talking about 100%.

[Derek Carr]

And so I've always. I always just try and keep it simple. Yes. I could get into so many details and hours of breakdown and all this kind of stuff, but for me, it was just like, how do I make it entertaining? And I learned from the best. Coach Gruden was like that every day. And so the way he would present film and present information, he's the best presenter of information I was ever around. So I just tried to, you know, mimic what he did, and it kind of worked out.

[Dan Patrick]

What stood out when you broke down the Chiefs, Chargers, you know, what really.

[Derek Carr]

Stood out to me was. Was Herbert. Like, every time I would watch it, because I know the Chiefs defense, I know Pat. Pat is one of the greatest to ever play the game. It's really fun to watch what they've been able to do, whether people are hurt or not hurt. But when I watch Herbert, he's been so consistent. And I. And I know that feeling where you're on a. You're on a team that keeps switching coaches on you, that keep doing this. It reminds me of when I got. When Coach Gruden showed up. And I hope that they get to stay together longer than I got to stay with Gru, because we were starting to take off. And so when I watch him, he's just so consistent, so accurate, and he's so tall. He sees everything. And so he's rarely fooled, which is really, really a luxury.

[Dan Patrick]

You start to look at these quarterbacks, and we see young quarterbacks make the same mistakes, because in college, you get to hold onto the ball a little longer, players stay open a little bit longer there. They try to scramble out of trouble there. Why. Why is that? That they keep it. You know, it's new quarterbacks, but it's the same mistakes.

[Derek Carr]

There's. There's no. There's no recipe for, you know, you. You can. I'll say this one, you can train them as much you want, but when you have a red jersey on during OTAs and training camp and all that, it gets a little different. When you get to practice or the real games, you know that it's just there's no substitute for experience. And so I saw, you know, you saw Cam Ward take a red zone sack and then get sacked again, and he's trying to outrun people. I mean, you find out real quick that the defensive tackles are faster than you, you know, and so, you know, it's tough, man. And like you said, you hit it on the head. The game is so fast, so it doesn't matter what level of college you play, the speed of the game for quarterbacks, it just happens faster. But, you know, like. Like you said, it takes guys, hopefully, a shorter amount of time because our. Our leash with quarterbacks nowadays is so short. It's not like the old days where they give you time to grow and all that, but hopefully these guys can figure it out soon. And it looks like they will. It looks like a good batch of young guys.

[Dan Patrick]

But, you know, they talk about climbing up in the pocket, and that takes, like, you got to have guts, like, you know, because it's chaos around you. But these guys don't want to climb up in the pocket. They want to try to dance around and get out of trouble. But what is that feeling like? I mean, that's the ultimate. I'm trusting my offensive lineman that I.

[Derek Carr]

Won'T get crushed 100%. I remember there was a year we started two rookie tackles, and in the NFL, that's a.

[Dan Patrick]

That's a.

[Derek Carr]

That's a big deal. And I remember Gruden said to me, he said, look, it's going to be. It's going to be rough, but when you hit that back foot, I want you to climb and I want you to find a completion. And it, man, it. It trained me in such a way that. That you have to hit that back foot. You just got to make a decision, really, as a man. Say, I'm going forward, you know, because everything that we've been instilled in us is like, if something's coming at me, I got to get away from it, but you got to go forward. You got to climb. And, you know, for me, that was one of the biggest learning moments, was playing with two young tackles. You know, hey, teaching them, hey, let them run by, lose one way. Just don't lose inside. And we were able to figure it out.

[Dan Patrick]

I didn't know you did a Jon Gruden impersonation.

[Derek Carr]

Honestly, everybody on those teams on offense can do it. Foster, Moreau, Waller, Hunter, everyone has a little. Maybe we don't match it perfectly, but the tone, the cadence, like, we can all hit one part of it identically.

[Dan Patrick]

What's the tone that you hit.

[Derek Carr]

Oh, man. For me, it was always. He would always look at me. So you'll love this, Dan. We're in a meeting and he would always tell me, derek, I want completions. I want completions. I want completions. So we're in a team meeting and he says, a car. I want come. What? And I said, completions. He goes, no, I want communication, you idiot.

[Dan Patrick]

You idiot.

[Derek Carr]

Idiot.

[Dan Patrick]

That's great. Derek and David Carr have a new podcast called Homegrown features both of the brothers discussing NFL college high school football from a quarterback's perspective. He said that he had fun with you about the Brady coming through Las Vegas to want to play for the Raiders and singling you out of. You're going to stay with this guy. Did you have fun with that?

[Derek Carr]

Oh, I did.

[Dan Patrick]

And.

[Derek Carr]

And I'll be completely honest, Dan. I had. I had about 100 different funny things to say. I couldn't help myself. But I just felt like when I woke up this morning, like, it just hit me, like, with everything that happened yesterday, not to get weird. I was like, man, it's not even worth saying any of them, man. I just want to love them, you know, I could make a zinger and be funny about it, but, like, you know, I just. With everything having yesterday, it's just on my heart just to love everybody no matter what, you know, and. And I have nothing but love for Tom. He knows that, you know, we've talked, you know, many times, so we did have fun, though. We did, as brothers do, you know, with those kind of things. But, yeah, man, I just. I just love on him, you know, because I already knew I'd make some joke and someone wouldn't put the whole context on it and it'd be a thing. But, you know, it is what it is.

[Dan Patrick]

We want to come up with a stat. Rci receiver caused interception.

[Derek Carr]

Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

Right. Because not all interceptions are made the same way.

[Derek Carr]

100%, you know, and you'd have to put a quarterback in charge of that because, you know, there. There are times that it is our fault. Absolutely.

[Dan Patrick]

And.

[Derek Carr]

But there are times where you throw a shallow cross. It bounces off someone's hands, and you're like, what the heck? I remember. I remember I threw a pick. It was man coverage. Receiver didn't see it, you know, and he stops and I go to throw the shallow cross. Like, it's man. And the corner keeps running and picks it off. And I was like, it's. Oh, man, you got to keep running, you know, but no, One knew. And obviously you get booed and all those kind of things, which is fine.

[Dan Patrick]

How do you walk away from $30 million?

[Derek Carr]

Oh, my goodness. It wasn't easy, I promise. You know, it's easy to make a comment and just say, yeah, it is what it is. But it wasn't. It was hard. It was really hard.

[Dan Patrick]

To your wife?

[Derek Carr]

Yeah. When I. When I talked to my wife, you know, she. She was. She was ready for me to be done whenever I was ready, you know, that she's amazing. She. She. She saw, honestly, things that no one else saw. You know, waking up on Monday mornings and I can't walk. You know, waking up on Monday mornings, and I have to call her to come in the room to help me get out of bed, you know, like. So she. She was done.

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[Derek Carr]

She was. She was like, I'm good. You know, 11 years is enough. But for me as a competitor and my love, honestly, Dan, I love the game so much. I just love football. I think it's great for character. I think it's great for everybody. I think it's team. It's unity. It's all the things I believe in. But to say no to the money part of it, I had to die to myself on that one. I had to be like, what's the right thing to do? All that? Because on the inside, you're like, well, it's easy. I'll just make that money and go. But it just wasn't right because I wasn't ready.

[Dan Patrick]

What's it like to be home this time of the year?

[Derek Carr]

It's been really weird. You know, Wednesdays in the NFL are the longest days, and for a quarterback is really every day. But, you know, Wednesdays, I'm going on dates with my wife. She's like, you want to go on the day? I was like, yeah, let's go. It's Wednesday, you know, and that's. That's a. That's a first for us in a long time. And so it's been fun, though. I laid on my couch, and my agent text me. He's like, how you feeling? I said, I feel great. I'm not getting hit. So it was good.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. But will there be a temptation?

[Derek Carr]

Yeah. You know who my biggest temptation is, is David. Every. Every single day, he's like, text me. He's like, you see this? You see this? You know this. You know this guy? Hey, guess who texts me? You know, he does it.

[Dan Patrick]

He doesn't.

[Derek Carr]

He said, so we're gonna sit down. I said. He said, we're gonna sit down on Thanksgiving. I said, bro, I'm retired. He said, at least give me Thanksgiving to try and convince you. So he's. He's the biggest one.

[Dan Patrick]

There's no scenario where you'd come back.

[Derek Carr]

I wouldn't say never, because I've learned that when I say never, it usually happens. I think we've all probably learned that. So for me, right now, I'm training because I love to train. Like, that's gonna be the rest of my life. I love to train. I throw a football every now and then out in the front with my kids and into my buddy for fun because it's part of my rehab still, for my shoulder. I'm still just trying to get that back right from the. Getting the shot and doing the rehab and all that. And so I'm still doing those things. And so I. I always felt like even though I'm done, like, you know, if God wanted me to do it, I got to be ready, you know, I don't want to go out there and not be ready, you know, so I'll be ready, but I'm not coming back like that. Like, right now, today. I'm not. I'm not coming back.

[Dan Patrick]

You're only 34.

[Derek Carr]

I am 34. I got a lot of life. I got a lot. And I got a big job. I got to coach the 4th through 6th grade Clovis Christian warriors, you know what I mean? So I'm committed to them right now.

[Dan Patrick]

How are they looking this year, Derek?

[Derek Carr]

They're doing good. I'm out there yelling at my kids. One of them plays quarterback, the other plays receiver. So I imitate Gruden a lot to them for sure.

[Dan Patrick]

The two quarterbacks tonight, break them down.

[Derek Carr]

From what you've seen, you know, I'm really interested. This is what it's going to come down to. It's Thursday Night Football, right? Thursday Night Football to me has always been the test of who can get the healthiest and who can take care of the football. And I think both can, if I'm honest. Like, I truly believe in them. And so I feel like it always comes down to a receiver or a tight end. In my experience, I'll never forget, you call a play and you, you thought it was last week's play, but you get, you. You get it screwed up. And it's those little details Troyman talks about all the time. On Monday night, he's like, it's those little details that no one else will see if they can take care of the football. That's the only chance that they have. Because in Thursday Night Football, there's, it's, there's. It's usually a mess. I think we've all seen that as players. We hated Thursdays. But, you know, it is what it is.

[Dan Patrick]

But have you ever gone to the line of scrimmage and called a play that was from the previous team that you were with?

[Derek Carr]

Oh, especially right when you first, like, get into it. Like, I promise you, Like, I. You get in the huddle and you're like, hey, we're going to go. You know, let's go dice, right? 358 can and Candace. And then you're like, hey. And then you say, like, on the quick. And everyone's like, everyone will look at you like, what do you mean on the quick? You know, it's like, oh, sorry, wrong offense. Wrong offense. Especially on a Thursday because it's all crammed in your mind. Luckily for. Luckily for Jaden and Jordan, this is the only offenses that they know, and so they'll be okay.

[Dan Patrick]

Did Peyton ruin it for all quarterbacks? Because now everybody's expected to go to the line of scrimmage and, you know, change the play, call the play.

[Derek Carr]

You know, when I watch Peyton, that's who I wanted to be, honestly. Like, I. Peyton knows this. I used to go to the stadium early when my brother would play him, and I would watch him throw to Marvin and Reggie and Dallas Clark and those guys. And. And like, growing up, I thought, I still believe that's the best way to play football. The coach. The coach is making an estimated guess based on study and film and what they know about these people. The defense corners, but the quarterback gets to see the test right in front of him. So if you can train the quarterback that way. So did he ruin it? I wouldn't say he ruined it, but that's how the game, I believe, supposed to be played. But now with the cba, these coaches don't even have time to teach the game like we did. Like, it's just. It's so different. So now it's just flashcards. Hey, remember this flashcard and go do it at the best of your ability.

[Dan Patrick]

Good luck with the YouTube stuff, good luck with the podcast with your brother, and good luck in retirement.

[Derek Carr]

Oh, thank you, Dan. I appreciate it. It's always good to talk to you.

[Dan Patrick]

That's Derek carr. He played 11 seasons. He's only 34. YouTube pre and post game studio analyst, and he was there Friday night with the Chiefs and the Chargers, and he walked away from $30 million with the sinks. Russell in Las Vegas. Hi, Russ. What's on your mind?

[Caller]

How's it going, you guys?

[Dan Patrick]

Great. Great.

[Caller]

Hey, listen, I was going to call in to give you my best and worst, but I'm just going to give you the best, which was the Bills win and the worst is the NFL. My point is, is that these are professional athletes. These are million dollar personnel. Right. I don't think they should step off the playing field to go taunt the away fans and then run around the inner lining of the stadium. I don't think you should do that. I think the NFL should step in, especially now because they're doing things overseas where there's a different. Let's say there's a different attitude on how to handle.

[Dan Patrick]

Just because you go close to the stands, that's not a green light for somebody to smack you, Russell.

[Caller]

I mean, I said it, but I understand it. But you're, you're going right to the stands. Come on, even hockey has.

[Dan Patrick]

They were running past the stands. Look, Lamar said that he never should have done it. But you're not, you're not saying anything about this fan. Oh, they're coming close to me. I get to smack you in the helmet.

[Caller]

Well, why is the NFL not stepping in to guide. To guide the players to stop them from doing that behavior versus. Oh, okay. If you're in the end zone, you make it. You're a wide receiver. You make a fantastic catch. Fantastic catch. If you have one too many pelvic pumps. Now it's a 15 yard penalty.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, I, I'm not sure why you're so bothered by this. I don't know how many times somebody goes up to the stands unless it's a Lambo leap. But you're seeing something different than I am. Russell, thank you for the phone call. Jesse in Kansas. Hi, Jess. What's on your mind? I got a bad connection there. Jess Robin, Orange county. Hi, Rob.

[Caller]

Mr. Dan, can you hear me?

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, I can.

[Caller]

Hey, Dan. Nice to meet you, Dan. That's. I've talked before and I just want to say this. You're talking about Davey Johnson. He was at my house in Santa Luz and my father in law was the cabby for him. How do I say the best way? I think it's Stan Humphrey's invitational.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Caller]

And we became good friends. And the humility of that man was an awesome man. And it's the same as you, Dan. And I just want to say that I respect the man so much and to sit down and have dinner and break bread and Basically loved the man. And I, I, I'm, I'm sad to.

[Dan Patrick]

Hear, I can hear it in your voice, Rob. Thank you. Yeah. Davey Johnson, I, I was there with the 86 Mets. I didn't really know him, but he played in a golf tournament and he went to a children's hospital. He, I, I asked all the players if anybody could go, and Davey went, and Davey spent a couple hours there. I never forgot that. All the things, all the other stuff that he did, that's what always stands out. And he just passed away. Lalo in California.

[Caller]

Hey, what's up, Dan? How's it going?

[Dan Patrick]

Hey, man.

[Caller]

Hey, just, I want to get your thoughts on that new development of the Kawaii story about that Aspire company being like 1.7 mil short. And then Steve Ballmer came and saved the day. He gave a 1.9 million donation.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, it doesn't look good. It doesn't. Now, I don't know how, you know, how hard Adam Silver is going to come down on the Clippers. In fact, when we come back, I'll play a little bit of Adam Silver's press conference. He did talk about this. It just, it doesn't, I mean, it adds up, Literally adds up. But that's the reason why I have a problem with this. The numbers add up to Kawhi getting this. And I still don't, I don't understand what Mark Cuban's saying. When he was on with Pablo Torre talking about, hey, do you think Steve Ballmer is, you know, stupid that he wouldn't make sure that that company didn't go bankrupt so you would be, he would be exposed to his creditors? So you're saying that he would cover up something like this is what I would say to Mark Cuban, that he wouldn't let this happen because he would fix this. So then he would cover up a salary cap circumvention? I don't know. I don't know. Pablo has some more information as well, but we'll play the commissioner's comments about the Clippers situation after this. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our [e-mail] and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live.

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[Dan Patrick]

Leonard story with the Clippers not going away quietly, Pablo Torre has some more information a follow up and he talked about Clippers minority owner Dennis Wong made almost $2 million investment in this company, which then paid Kawhi Leonard 1.75 million as required through his endorsement contract with the environmental company. This according to Pablo Torre and his podcast Pablo Torre finds out. You just start to look at the numbers and they kind of match up with the money. A lot of smoke there. Here's the commissioner Adam Silver talking about the investigation.

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[Derek Carr]

Full investigation is to find out if.

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There really was impropriety. The public at times reaches conclusions that later turn out to be completely false. And so I do would want anybody else in situation. Mr. Bomber is in now or Kawhi Leonard, for that matter, to be treated the same way I would want to be treated if people were making allegations against me.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, Commissioner, have you talked to Steve Ballmer? Commissioner, have you talked to Kwai Leonard? Commissioner, have you talked to Pablo Torre? Commissioner, do you have access to the same information that Pablo Torre does? Still driving that trusty old ride. Keep it looking sharp with Mako. From dense to faded paint. We got you covered. Free estimate today. Oh, better get Mako. This may have been going on. Maybe it goes on a lot more than we know. Maybe we're just being naive. But this one, we're going to pay you off the books to circumvent the salary cap. And somebody on record in that company saying that's what happened with this money. Seven different sources. You got 3,000 pages of documents. So there's something here. And I would ask the commissioner, what is your next move? What are you going to do? Because he's got to protect all the other owners. And what are the other owners think? Are other owners doing this? Like, hey, we got you a job over here, but it's not really a job and we're going to pay you this. Yeah.

[Paulie]

Pauling, I know we're a long way from punishment for the Clippers, if any, but they don't have a 2026 first round draft pick. They don't have a 2028 first round draft pick. So the cupboard is a bit bare already.

[Dan Patrick]

Steph Curry was on the Today show on NBC. NBC, of course, is going to be bringing you the NBA coming up this season. And Steph talked about today's NBA players. I was also about wise man when I was getting into the league, like you want to leave the league in a better place than when you found it. And I think just the way that the skill level right now, the. The way the range has kind of taken over. Guys shooting threes all over the court, but just from 1 through 5 and all the way down the roster. I think this is the most skilled, you know, era of basketball history.

[Derek Carr]

And so whether that was, you know.

[Dan Patrick]

Young kids in the game now seeing, you know, my generation, the way that I play and getting inspired by that like that for me is important and something I don't take for granted. Yeah, I wouldn't argue with that. One through five. What we ask big men to do, what big men are allowed to do now that they can take their game out, three point range, they can also be inside the ability to run the floor, handle the ball, and then you have the other players the ability to make shots, tough shots. It's pretty amazing. So skill level? Yeah, I'm not, I mean that's, I'd be surprised if he, you know, said something different. They had, yes. One through five. It's as skilled as it's ever been. You can watch, you know, the NBA and you can watch and you can see that there were players who played, players who started and they weren't, you know, high skill level guys. You could still get away with a guy who was going to be banging around, you know, physical guy, an enforcer. You don't really have that now. I mean, you got guys, if something happens, then I, I got an enforcer. But you know, back in the 80s, 90s, felt like every team had an enforcer. You know, something's going to happen to the star player. Hey, you're going to knock down Jordan. Charles Oakley wants to see you. You know, you would just have that. But skill positions, one through five. Yeah. Amazing. But Steph made it look too easy and it's not. Yes. Marvin.

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[Dan Patrick]

No.

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Like it's the evolution of the game. Because you would say that about any sport. Not any sport, but you say about the NFL also, these guys might be better than they were before. How many guys in the 80s or the 90s can do what Kyrie can do? That's the first guy I think of. Or even the Kevin Durant you talk about. Guys, if Kevin Durant played in the 90s, there's no way he's out there at a three point line. They would say, get in the post.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh yeah, what are you doing?

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Facing up? Dribbling.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes.

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Get down there and work on your low post moves.

[Dan Patrick]

And big men would not be out 18ft away. They'd be like, get down there, get down on the low post. Yeah.

[Paulie]

Paulie, if you want to play a little devil's advocate to what Steph said, could you make the case that the main skill these days is outside shooting, which everyone can do, but the other skills like driving to the basket or posting up is a skill that's gone away quite a bit. And that was. If you say multi skilled athletes, shooting outside is a great skill and everyone could do it, but I don't know if they drive to the basket like they used to or post up like they used to.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, the game is begging you to drive to the basket or mid range jumpers. But you know, the analytics say, don't I still don't understand that when guys are 1 for 9 from 3 point range and I say go to the hoop, get fouled, shoot some free throws, get somebody in foul trouble, and it'll change. Mark my words, it'll change. Somebody's approach is going to be, you got to deal with us inside, you got to deal with us down low. And you'll still have, you know, the requisite three point shooter or a couple of them. But I mean, if I had Shaq gal Ming these, you know, Kareem, I'm like, let's see if you can stop us. Because nobody is geared to stop you down low. And I think somebody is going to be. Not everybody's going to be built like Victor Wembanyama. You know, you're going to get guys who were still big men.

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[Dan Patrick]

Well, it's like Luca as well. I mean, Luca can shoot the three, but Luca does get to the hoop. Luca gets in the lane, lob passes, and he's physical. These guys are big guys. Two hours in the books on this Thursday. Our good buddy Nick Wright set to go to Kansas City. Gonna go see the game, but also the steakhouse Travis Kelsey and Patrick Mahomes are opening up. So final hour on the way up to this.

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[Dan Patrick]

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