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What a game last night. Actually it felt like a couple of games within one. Knicks down 22, came back Force overtime and then win and they cover 115 to 104. The Knicks go on a 44 to 11 run to close out this game and Cleveland Kenny Atkinson, their head coach, not calling a timeout on a 30 to 3 run a little bit surprising. We'll talk to Tim Legler. He was on the call last night on the mothership Stat of the day brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the Dan Patrick Show Poll Question from hour one was What, Dylan, would Anthony Edwards have
Dylan
gone to prematurely congratulate the spurs if the Timberwolves had been down by 22 with seven minutes left? 70% say yes.
Dan Patrick
Yes. What do we have for hour two?
Dylan
Paulie actually sent this one over. I think is interesting. Kind of off the hardened topic. Whose last few years have done more damage or been counterproductive to their legacy. James Harden, Russell Wilson, others in there, maybe.
Dan Patrick
I don't know.
Dylan
KD maybe a little bit.
Bucky (Caller)
Hmm.
Dan Patrick
Okay, I'll let that ruminate.
Paulie
Yes, Paul, these guys feel like surefire hall of Famers, but their last couple of years are making you forget about the hall of Fame days.
Dan Patrick
Well, nobody really wanted Russell Wilson here the last couple of years. At least. Cleveland wanted James Harden. KD will be on a new team probably next year. But I would say Russell Wilson because it felt like he had that hall of Fame trajectory. And then all of a sudden when he went to Denver because he wanted to go get out of Seattle, and then all of a sudden we're in Pittsburgh and then we're with the Giants and then maybe playing for the jets, and it just feels like he's trailing into the sunset there. 8, 7, 7, 3, DP show email address dp@danpatrick.com Twitter handle at DP show we say good morning to Tim Legler. He got to call his first conference final game as an ESPN analyst last night in the garden. Boy, that's a memorable one, Tim, for you to have on your resume when. What did you make of that? The. Let's look at the totality of the entire game, and it felt like a couple of games within a game from everything from the first half with the Knicks, second half with the Knicks, even the James Harden, you know, being isolated, you know, defense, turnover, all those things. So how do you compartmentalize what happened last night?
Tim Legler
Well, I think let's start with the fact that the Knicks had no rhythm offensively. At no point in the game did they string together baskets and. And, you know, the crowd was waiting for it. They waiting for that run that at one point that started to believe early fourth quarter. I'm thinking that run's never going to come. You know, for whatever reason. It's a combination of things. I thought the rust was a little bit evident in the shooting. I'm always in favor of rest, give me fresh legs. I don't think there's any substitute as a basketball player. I think the rust was affecting their. Their shooting a little bit. But I give the Cavs defense a lot of credit. For what was going on. So I'm sitting there early fourth quarter, no run has come. At no point had the Knicks gotten two, three straight buckets. And then Jalen Brunson happened, and it happened because he was able to go back to the sort of offensive sets that they ran when he first got there. Before they changed their offense this year, where the ball was more to Carl Anthony, Towns hands, Brunson starting possessions off the ball, coming back to get it. If Towns didn't make a play for somebody, they went back to, hey, high ball screen or ISO. Let him pick who he wants to play against and let's see if we can get something going that way. And it sort of happened organically like that. He got this little runner to go down the left lane off the wrong foot. It was a really tough shot and that started the whole thing. Now he's in the paint three, four, five times in a row against the same matchup. Did I still think after he had hit like five straight shots they were going to win the game? No, I still didn't think that because you're still had like a 10 point deficit at that point. But that is what started all of this. And once the Cavs started to sense that there was enough time for the Knicks now to finish this, they got incredibly tight on the offensive end of the floor to the point where they were playing almost as if they wanted the clock to just run out rather than continue to play with the same level of urgency and, and pace and ball movement that they had to get that lead. They got tight and they played not to lose the lead. And when you play that way in sports, we all know this, bad things are going to happen. So those two things coincided and you ended up with what you saw.
Dan Patrick
Two questions. Kenny Atkinson didn't call a timeout and do you leave James Harden in the game? So let me start with both of those coaching decisions or potential ones. Why not call a timeout just to break up the momentum. Anything just to, you know, regather the troops here.
Tim Legler
Yeah, I wish that. And honestly, look, I love Kenny and I got a lot of respect for Kenny. I wish he had a better answer than I like holding on to my timeouts. I mean, you know, the last thing you want to do as a coach is get back to the hotel room in New York, reach in your pocket and pull out a couple of timeouts and put them on your nightstand. I mean, you know, they're there for a reason. And a lot of times that reason is to stop the bleeding and it is to stall momentum and it is to make an adjustment by whether it's a substitution or. All right, let's do something different here. Honestly, they needed it on both ends of the floor at that point. But let's start with the defense because if you, if you can corral Brunson in that situation after he's hit three, probably I would say now you've got a really good chance to continue to win the game whether you start scoring on the other end or not. You had to slow that. And the fact that they didn't really do it and they started that run. You got Streuss and Dean Wade on the bench. Those are the two guys that the Cavs prefer to guard. Brunson for different reasons, but in Wade at the top of the list, and they're over on the bench while this starts. All right, well, you might want to think, forget about whatever you're trying to do offensively to close the game. You've got to stop this situation. And the best way to do it is to get a different defender on them. Or, or you've got to talk through the fact that you don't need to switch all of those ball screens. You didn't need to do that. Some of those are unnecessary switches. 35, 40ft from the basket. You don't need to switch it. Brunson's not even trying to go anywhere yet, and you passively hand them off to James Harden. You could have addressed that in a timeout. So I wish there was a better answer than I like to hold on to him because that if ever a situation dictated you needed one, it was that situation as that game was slipping away.
Dan Patrick
Talking to Tim Legler, ESPN lead NBA analyst, there are some losses that are just a loss. There are other ones that are maybe one and a half games. And that one felt like that's a one and a half games. Now, I don't know if it helps or hurts Cleveland that you get one day off and then now we're back at the Garden tomorrow night. Does that help or hurt Cleveland when you're trying to move on from this embarrassment?
Tim Legler
I don't know that it's. I honestly don't know that it's. It's beneficial or works against you either way. What I know is this, for the Cavaliers to win the series, they have to win a game in Madison Square Garden, okay? The Knicks don't have to win on the road, the Cavs do. And they had a 22 point lead with seven minutes to go. You're not Going to be in that position again. So for you not to close that one, you're right. It means it's like not every loss carries the same weight. You know, you say that about a lot of things. They're not all the same. And that one is not the same as just, for instance, that's not the same as what happened to the Thunder. That's not the same. Losing a game at home like that, you know, when you're battling the entire time, the fact that Thunder are the ones that erase the deficit, you still end up losing the game. Okay, Thunder feel like they're the better team. Let's see their response in game two tonight. For the Cavs to have this team coming off of that long layoff and you've got them cornered like this, you've got to close the deal. So definitely this loss carries more weight than just a loss because you have a feeling the Knicks now are going to have a much different offense in the first half of game two. And now where are the Cavs going to be? So that's just one. You got to close the deal, Dan. If you want a legitimate shot to win the series, you. You cannot blow that lead.
Dan Patrick
Okay, but what do you do with James Harden? Not to pin all of this on James Harden, but if he's going to be guarding Jalen Brunson, we have a problem.
Tim Legler
Well, look, some of it I'm wondering. I want to hear a little bit more today because I think there was something wrong with Donovan Mitchell. He wouldn't address it. He wouldn't allude to it. He didn't say anything was wrong with him physically. He got his ankle rolled up on, and I don't know if that's why he was so passive late in the game and then in overtime, I don't know. But he wasn't breaking to the ball. He wasn't trying to get it. So I'm wondering if the Cavs knowing that, like, that's why, well, we got to have heart. If Donovan Mitchell can't go operate right now offensive, you better have Harden because at least he can break you down and hopefully try to create some offense. So I want more information on that, because if, if, if Mitchell's fine and this is how the Knicks are going to operate, you've got two choices for me. Rather than just remove him from the game and take him off the floor. Okay. I think the better solution is can you challenge your team a little bit to communicate when and when you do not need to switch the ball screen because all Jalen Brunson is going to do is look for James Harden. Who's he guarding? Come set the screen. I know they're going to switch it. I can now get him on an island. How about if that screen is set that far out on the floor and Brunson's not even going anywhere yet, why doesn't for instance, if it's Dean Wade, Max Stru, whoever, why don't you just say, okay, talk it out. Where's the screen? Brunson's not in active aggressive mode. Why don't we just let Dean Wade go under, meet him on the other side. Wait. Now look, if you get screened to 25ft, that's different. Where Brunson can turn a corner, get downhill, you might not have a choice or you can certainly blitz it, get the ball out of his hands. But what you can't do is what they did repeatedly during that stretch to the point they put the game in jeopardy to because Jalen Brunson single handedly cut that deficit in half and now you decide to double team and the three point shooting kicks in. They've got to address how they're going to defend that. I don't know that taking James Harden out of the game is necessarily the answer. It's communicating how you can defend that better so he's not put in that situation. That's really to me what it is. Teams switch and it puts him at a disadvantage. And I don't know why teams don't challenge their players to, to communicate that in the moment a little bit better.
Dan Patrick
Well said. Let me go back to Monday night with OKC and the Spurs. I'm not prone to hyperbole, but I do think Victor Wembanyama is the best player in the NBA.
Tim Legler
Well, look, when Victor Wembanyama gets, listen, when he gets it going offensively like that, you're right. Now that offense is not like that every night. And for Victor Weyama that's because he's 75 and sometimes to be able to handle the ball the way that he wants to certain areas of the floor, certain traffic situations, it's going to be hard for a guy that big to do it. So that level of offense isn't there every night for Wemby, the defense obviously is and I mean I think he's probably got, you know, his hands on the defensive player of the year award for the next decade. So they should almost have a separate award for the runner up and just honor that guy because it's going to be Wemby for a Long time. So the defense is always there. The offense is not like it was in game one all the time, but when it is, you're right, because there's nothing like that in the league. You know, Dan, what I was thinking about watching that game is the difference with Wemby is, as opposed to other guys that size historically, in that 73 and up range, his mobility means in traffic or when it's crowded or when he's getting bumped or there's physicality that takes place. There's an escape for him. He's got vertical spacing. You can still include him. Even when teams have defended it perfectly. The guys typically we're talking about in that size historically can't move like that where the vertical spacing option isn't there to just go up above the traffic, still be included in the game offensively, even if teams defend you well, that is really the difference here. We've never seen a guy this length that moves like this. And. And that's why this is such an incredible challenge for any team to try to limit his effectiveness.
Dan Patrick
You can't play normal basketball around him. Like what we grew up or what is taught is, you know, you have to change all of that. And that's why he's so good at one end and he's good at the other end. So if I. If I factor all of that together, I don't think there's anybody more impactful on the game. Now you can say joker, far better offensive player. Sga, better offensive player. But if I combine the two, offense and defense, that's. He's the hardest to deal with, I think, in the NBA because I got to factor in both. Both ends of the floor and the other guys. I don't necessarily have to do that.
Tim Legler
Yeah, Dan, I think what you're alluding to is, and this is the part that's not tangible and you can't see it on a box score, it's hard to even see it when you're analyzing the game. But I'm telling you right now, when you have a guy that changes your psychological approach to what you think might be there for yourself offensively, when you run ball screen or ISO or you're thinking about attacking the rim, like when the ball swung to you and you attack a closeout, when you are at the point where you're affecting the way guys premeditate what they're able to do now you're talking about a completely different level defensively, and you can't even see that on a box score. You might not even see that as a fan watching at home. I can see it when I'm sitting there courtside. You can just see what looked like a natural driving lane for a player that could get to the rim in two dribbles from 28ft on one side of the floor. They're changing the way they view their ability to do it in the first place without even probing it. That is when you're talking about a different level defensively of impact and how you're affecting what teams even try to accomplish offensively, much less actually do it.
Dan Patrick
I'm trying to get somebody to work this in. Shots discouraged. Like a new category.
Caller (Drew)
There you go.
Dan Patrick
Shots just shots discourage. South Dakota Shots discourage because.
Tim Legler
Well, listen.
Dan Patrick
See that and listen.
Tim Legler
With the, with the advent of AI and everything else, we're going to get to the point where we're going to be watching the game on TV and we're going to have probes and sensors on guys heads where you can see thought bubbles. And now you're really going to know like what a guy was thinking about in the moment. It's coming, Dan. It's coming in the next 10 years and you're going to be able to see what I'm talking about in terms of what guys are looking at on the weak side of the floor when he's out there and looks like would be an impossible amount of distance to cover to get to the rim before you do. And now you're thinking, rethinking that. And so therefore it, it affects the flow of the ball offensively and, and the natural order of what's next for your team.
Dan Patrick
Any celebrities at the Garden want to talk basketball prior to the game when they see you?
Tim Legler
Oh, God, yeah. Yeah. I mean, Ben Stiller obviously is on camera a lot and, and, and because of our proximity to when we're starting the game and where he sits, he's like right there when we're doing our open. So, yeah, to be able to go over, have a conversation with him. Having a conversation with Tracy Morgan, it's fun, man. Spike Lee, obviously, these guys live it, love it. And it's, they're not just showing up to be seen, man. These guys that I just mentioned, they love basketball, they love the Knicks and they actually know what they're watching and they can talk it at a high level, man. They, it's a lot of fun. It's, it's, it's one of the really cool perks of the job, particularly at the Garden. There's no place quite like that for the Big games. No. No environment like that in basketball, period.
Dan Patrick
I got to work this in. J Kid fired in Dallas. Feels like they're trying to wipe clean any remnants of the Luka Doncic era here. Why was J Kid fired?
Tim Legler
Yeah, it does feel like that to me as well. I just think that you have a new set of eyes now on the organization. They have a generational player that they drafted a year ago in Cooper Flag. He is a guy that you're going to build your entire franchise around. He's that good. He's going to be that good on both ends. And he's, he's the guy that, you know, he's, he's the leader now. You build around him. And I just think you're right. Now that they moved on from Anthony Davis and they wanted to get a. Just a new perspective on what they want to build going forward. And that's why Jason Kidd is no longer there. Jason Kidd will be coaching in the league again. There's no doubt in my mind, but I think that's. This is what this is. It's a, it's a reset. It's a, it's a whiteboard. Let's start over. And there's one name on it, and it's Flag at the top. And now we've got to rethink everything about what we want to do going forward because they think this could be the next guy that spends 20 years in a Mavericks uniform like Dirk Nowitzki.
Dan Patrick
Great stuff, Timmy. Thank you. Have fun tomorrow night.
Tim Legler
You got it, Dan. Thanks.
Dan Patrick
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Published reports say that the Live Tour is headed towards bankruptcy. The live Golf Tour is seeking long term financial partners, hoping to replace the PIF and survive after the 2026 season. And according to published and broadcast reports, Live Golf is trying to raise up to $250 million from new investors. We will talk to the PGA Tour Commissioner, I believe on Friday Brian Rolnat will join us. I'm just not sure about John Rom and his future because he wasn't able to follow. But Brooks Koepka and Patrick Reed were able to do and get out of his contract. They're still holding him to his contract, but if the league goes belly up, well, then he had that opportunity to maybe go to the DP World Tour and earn his way back to the PGA Tour, which is what I've suggested for a while. Make them give back to the game. You know, they wanted to grow the game. Well, you weren't. You were just taking money and playing around the world. Now you can grow the game. You can be part of the DP World Tour, earn points, get back on the PGA Tour. Yes.
Paulie
Paul, I wonder if the I think the right word is failure of Live Golf will have a chilling effect on any other group that wants to take a shot at the title and try to take over a sport or be the next player in the sport, whether it be NFL basketball, soccer, because the they had unlimited funds and couldn't get it done. Nobody's got more money than that group.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, but I think, you know, if I look at what the Saudis were trying to do, did they accomplish what they were trying to do? They're, you know, trying to sports wash their image. I don't know if they did that. They're involved in other sports, not just golf. But if you're, this is like the usfl. When I was covering the USFL and the USFL was like, we're going to go get big names. We're going to, we're going to get these guys to come to the usfl, then you're going to have to watch our. Our games. So you get Doug Flutie and Herschel Walker and Steve Young, Jim Kelly, Anthony Carter, like, they were getting big names, and all of a sudden, you almost had to legitimize the usfl. The problem was the USFL wasn't patient enough. And I do believe if they had waited a few years, got a few more players, the NFL had to reckon with you. The ABA did this. The ABA went out and got players. The AFL went out and got players. And then all of a sudden, there was a merger with the NBA and the aba, with the AFL and the NFL. I think the USFL might have had some teams absorbed there. But with live. You're getting individual contractors, and you're paying them an exorbitant amount of money, and you're going to do damage to the PGA Tour. That's what their goal was. It was not growing the game. There was nothing that was growing about that, except for the lie that you were growing the game. Yeah, Dylan, it's interesting that they said
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they're trying to raise $250 million, because I'm like, what does that cover, like, three golfers for the year? I mean, their operating costs per year were, like, close, in the neighborhood of a billion dollars. So I don't know. I don't know how the math adds up for that to keep them afloat.
Dan Patrick
Well, how do you keep Rom DeChambeau's contract, I believe, is up. Oh, by the way, Bryson DeChambeau had this to say on a podcast about the moon landing.
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Oh, I don't.
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Here we. Conspiracy theory.
Bryson DeChambeau
I don't know. Look, Elon says we've definitely gone there, so I. I tend to go that route because he's the man that knows quite a bit about all that. Artemis just went around the moon. So I. I do believe if we spent a lot of our resources like we. Like they say we did. I think we did. I don't think the footage is real, but I think we did go to the moon.
Dan Patrick
Okay, that's Bryson DeChambeau on the Katie Miller podcast. Thinks we got there. We just may have staged the golfing portion of the program. Yes, Paul.
Paulie
Yeah, I don't think Bryson was kidding. And it's February 1971. Apollo 14 astronaut Alan Shepard became the first and only person to play golf on the moon. And there's this great video of him.
Caller
And,
Paulie
yeah, it appears real.
Dan Patrick
Oh, it is real. I know it's not staged. Oh, boy. Well, you have. People don't even think we landed on the moon. I'm like, okay, but then they might be flat Earthers as well. Yes, Dylan, that is sort of like
Dylan
the entry level conspiracy theory is the moon. That and maybe jfk or like, that's your kind of rookie level stuff. But I'm always fascinated by. I love conspiracy theories. Not because I believe in them, but they're fascinating. And even more fascinating are the people
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Yeah.
Dylan
Bryson, kind of.
Dan Patrick
Well, the J. The jfk. Do I think somebody else was involved in that? I do, I do. There are a lot of people who didn't like jfk. A lot of people. Mostly some mob people didn't like jfk.
Dylan
Yes, Dylan, that's pretty universally accept. Is that even a conspiracy at this point?
Dan Patrick
I don't know. I think they're still trying to look at footage, believe it or not, all these years later, about jfk. So I think access to, you know, politicians, leaders. If you go back to JFK's brother when he was murdered, like he had somebody come out of the kitchen. Sirhan Sirhan. Is that who it was? He came out of the kitchen and was able to kill Bobby Kennedy. I mean, I can't. Although we've had security lapses recently with our President, but back then felt like it was a little more lax. Yes, Paul.
Paulie
A long time ago, I read a few books about the JFK assassination. And what was interesting is it was the President, United States. But there wasn't always a camera on the President back then. So there was no film of the actual moment he was shot at. And it didn't come out until, I think, two years later. Life magazine published photos and then the video came out of the Zapruder film. So the American public had no access to the video the first couple years.
Dan Patrick
The Mavericks, in case you missed it with the Knicks comeback, they let Jason Kidd go. Now I think he has four years, $40 million on his contract. Like, what were you thinking? And how much does this have to do with you traded away Luka Doncic. Well, he didn't. Nico Harrison did. But the Mavs under J Kid, they missed the playoffs, missed the playoffs, lost in the NBA finals, missed the playoffs, lost in the conference finals. And now they show J Kid the door. And this kind of feels like new front office. And they're going to bring in their coach for Cooper Flag Fresh in Milwaukee. Hi, Fresh. What's on your mind today?
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Great.
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Good. Got a good question about the Knicks. Seeing a lot of old. We got the new. What's the opposition now? What's the best starting five of the Knicks you can give me?
Dan Patrick
So this is the all time New York Knicks starting five?
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Yes, sir.
Dan Patrick
Alrighty. Walt Frazier is there, Patrick Ewing is there and Bernard King is there.
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Dan Patrick
Love Bernard King. Bradley and DeBusher were great player, great team players. Willis Reed. You know, I could put Willis Reed at center and Patrick Hewing at power forward. I guess that'd be pretty good. Carmelo gonna be my, my small forward Pete Carmel and of course Jeremy Lynn is going to be nice. Gotta put Lynn Sanity in there. I don't know, does Jalen Brunson now is he, is he approaching all time Nick?
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Yes. Paul.
Paulie
It feels like he's getting there at the guard position. I mean if you look at their guard history that, you know, John Starks, Earl Monroe only played a couple years there, correct?
Dan Patrick
Yeah, he was mostly with Baltimore Bullets.
Tim Legler
Yeah.
Dan Patrick
God, was Earl Monroe unbelievable. You know, we talk about handles in traffic. Earl Monroe in traffic. Underrated. Thank you, Marvin. Yes, Marv.
Tim Legler
Yeah, Brunson's on his way to get his jersey retired. I think he's already there.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, I think so too. I think so.
Tim Legler
Like conference finals a couple times, especially if they get to the finals for sure. No question. Especially because he's the guy.
Dan Patrick
Drew in Columbus. Hi, Drew. What's on your mind today
Caller
again?
Caller (Drew)
Tough, tough loss for my Cavaliers last night. And it feels like Kenny Atkinson is in the time machine and he keeps treating James Harden like it's 2018. And I don't feel like this is breaking news, but James Harden is old at this stage in history. He feels more like. He feels more like a compliment than a feature. And at no point in James Harden's career does he ever need to be in a game when you're up 22 points.
Caller
That's never.
Caller (Drew)
He's not necessary at that point. I just don't understand what Atkinson was doing.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, and I think you bring up a great point, but if you're saying to me we're going to bring somebody in fresh legs to try to stay in front of Jalen Brunson. And Tim Legler brought up a great point. You got to decide what's your defensive philosophy going to be on Jalen Brunson? Are you going to switch? You're going to fight through screens, you're going to fight, you're going to go under screens. Like you have to have A philosophy. And you also have to decide, is our defensive philosophy 25ft out different than it is 18ft from the basket? Cody in Texas. Hi, Cody. What's on your mind today?
Caller
Hey, Dan, thanks for taking my call. Hey, wanted to talk about, you know, got game two coming up tonight. I think one of the greatest things about this series, especially for me and probably people my age growing up in the 90s, watching the Eastern and Western Conference finals on NBC, it just hit different. It's a different vibe and, you know, being able to have this, the round ball rock. With the Western Conference finals back on NBC, it just seems better with Reggie on the call, Mike Tirico just excited. It's great basketball. And then the second part of my question. I've always wondered, when you're down in the basement with the cigar and the tequila, what type of tequila are we drinking?
Dan Patrick
Well, I've been trying to drink Fortaleza, but it's a small batch and it's really hard to get now. It wasn't hard to get for a long time and then all of a sudden I went to my local spirits store and I couldn't get it. They're like, people kind of caught on and now you can't get it. So that's certainly a tequila. There's another one called 1414. That's. There's so many good tequilas now. When we were growing up, you only did tequila shots just to get messed up. You know, it wasn't. Where you're going, I'm going to sip the tequila. You know, have a big ice cube in there. Just sip it a little bit. Smoke my cigar. Let's see. Bucky in Illinois. Hey, Buck, what's on your mind today?
Bucky (Caller)
Hey, dp thanks for taking my call. I had a couple quick. A couple things for you. I turned on Peacock this morning and noticed that your set was. Was completely different. It threw me through. Through it for a loop there. But Tyler told me you're up in Maine. Do. Do the Dan ets. Kind of act like it's a substitute teacher when you're not. When you're not there and you're.
Caller
You're out of the office.
Bucky (Caller)
And I had some advice for you for your wedding. Your. Your speech at your daughter's wedding to keep from crying. My. My uncle gave me advice to. I gave the eulogy at my grandpa's wedding and he gave me advice. He told me to make a fist and to take your thumb and put it underneath your. Put your thumb and press it on your chin directly underneath Your teeth. And there is a pressure point there. And it hurts really bad. And if you just press that while you're talking and it kind of prevents you from crying.
Dan Patrick
Wait, Bucky. Were you giving a eulogy at a wedding?
Bucky (Caller)
No, I'm sorry, I said that backwards. I gave a eulogy at my grand. For my grandpa's funeral. And nobody. Nobody wanted to do it. And my uncle told me, he said if you just take your thumb and push the pressure point, kind of like where people put their. You know where your goatee would be. It's in between your gum and your teeth. And if you press right there, it hurts and it prevents you from crying.
Dan Patrick
No, no, it's a thank you. Bucky. Look, I'm not gonna thank you. I appreciate that. I'm sorry for your loss too. Yes.
Paulie
Paulie, I'm not sure, no offense, if grandfather dying, tears can trump giving away the daughter tears. Grandfathers are old. Things like that happen.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, we're old.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah. I just don't want to die on stage with my daughters speech. Yes, Dylan.
Dylan
It seems like it'd be hard to talk with your thumb being pressed into your chin.
Dan Patrick
I don't. I appreciate you taking the time to call in and give me that advice. Kyle in Annapolis. Hi, Kyle. What's on your mind, Dan?
Caller
Thank you for taking my call, sir.
Dan Patrick
Yep.
Caller
I just wanted to say something quick about the PGA Tour and Live calls. Nobody seems to talk about how much money these prime players now are making on the PGA Tour. That was just added to the tour money after Live came around. They weren't saying anything.
Bucky (Caller)
They were.
Caller
Rory McElroy is making so much money and he's anti filler. Whatever. I get that stuff. But he's doubled his money. It's crazy. Nobody's talking about.
Dan Patrick
He passed. He passed on making even more money. Kyle. He helped everybody on tour by staying on tour. He would have gotten 500 million, if not more. Probably close to a billion dollars. If. If Rory went to live, he would have gotten probably a billion dollars. So did the PGA Tour benefit from the salaries and keeping guys from going there? Yes, if. And if you want to give LIVE credit and go. Yep. They. They help build the PGA Tour. They grow the game. Okay, all right. That's not by design. They were trying to get players to leave. And Rory could have gotten a billion dollars probably if he had gone and he fought the good fight. PGA Tour has had some archaic thoughts on paying players the number of tournaments that you're playing in. A lot of different things. And live by accident helped the PGA Tour. It helped grow the PGA Tour, not the live Tour. Take a break. Got a couple of NFL things that I want to bring to your attention. Coming up after this, Fox Sports Radio
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Dan Patrick
I found 10 games in the last 10 years. That's as far back as betting data goes for NBA games where a team was a six and a half point underdog. The game went into overtime and they lost the game by seven points or more because that's what happened. Dylan had the money line with the cavaliers. Imagine having six and a half points, you're up 22. So now you're up 28 and a half and you're thinking, alrighty, I can't wait to bet on the Spurs Thunder tomorrow. And then all of a sudden they come back and then you go into overtime and you go, all right, I still got six and a half points. And then you get the double, you get the bang. And then you get the bang.
Dylan
Yes, Dylan, there was zero part of me when the game went to overtime that didn't know that the Knicks were going to win. I was like, I've seen this movie a thousand times before.
Dan Patrick
Make sure you switch to life changing extra large flushable Dude Wipes Wetter is better available at Amazon major retailers nationwide. Dude wipes best clean, pants down. All right, here's something I got from my source. The same source who said that the super bowl would be in Nashville in 2030. He and by the way, I said that a month ago. He sent me a note today, he says, because I, he told me, hey, Nashville, the paperwork's done. This a month ago, paperwork's done. Nashville's getting the Super. I go, okay, he said, but it'll be a couple of weeks before they announce it because they still aren't sure if there's going to be an 18 game schedule. They don't even have a date for the Atlanta Super Bowl. I don't think so. I mean, they had to announce that Nashville was, you know, the vote was going to be in mere formality yesterday. They still don't know. My source says, incredibly, since the potential media renegotiations have continued to be delayed by challenges from the government and from Fox, change in leadership at the NFL Players association, no definitive timeline on when the 18th game will be settled and therefore no certain date for Atlanta and Nashville Super Bowls, the next scheduled owners Meeting October. But it's hard to believe they can wait that long in Atlanta because that would be 15 months out. You gotta be planning, you know, you're planning these things two years out if you can. And if you don't even have a date. How can you really plan this? So just something to keep an eye on. But Nashville gets the Super Bowl. Minneapolis gets a draft. I think Buffalo get a draft. Cleveland's opting, hoping for a Super Bowl. And Tennessee, of course, is getting their super bowl as well. Yes, Paul.
Paulie
Also yesterday, the NFL approved the ability to play as many as 10 international games starting in the 2027 season, which it used to be eight. And it's going to go quickly up to 2027, 10 games. Do you think that's another tell about the 18 game season?
Dan Patrick
Yes. And once again, nobody from the NFL comes on this show. But I've told you things before. They were going to happen years in advance of where the NFL was headed. And I had reliable people who were, you know, steering me correctly on this. The number of international games. They weren't, they weren't going to set up a team in London. They had looked at that. They want to have every team have an international game. They want to sell the entire international package. I told you, told you this a couple of years ago. And that's exactly what is happening. They're going to be all in on international games and flag football where you're going to. They're even talking about trying to get flag football as a college sport as well. So these are things that are happening. Let's see. HR In Utah. Hi, HR what's on your mind today? Hey, Dan, Good morning.
Bucky (Caller)
How are you?
Caller
Great, great, thanks. Thanks for taking my call. Hey, I just wanted to talk real quick about, you know, your daughter's wedding. I think you and I are about the same age. You might be a couple years older than me. And we were kind of raised to not show our emotions. And I just think that's wr. I think it's the best thing our kids can see is to see us cry. And my daughter and my boys see me cry all the time. And it's okay for us to show emotion and to feel those kind of things, especially on days like that. In fact, if you didn't cry, I think your daughter might wonder if you were really into the wedding at all, you know?
Dan Patrick
Oh, hey, I know I'm gonna cry. I don't want to make a spectacle of crying. There's a difference. If I just have tears, I'm okay. With that. The problem is that's not how I cry. I'm gonna, I'll blurt out, you know, I'll be blubbering and then I don't want, you know, to be the spectacle here. It's about my daughter and, and her husband. But that's the problem I have. I know I'll cry. It's how I cry that's the problem. Oh, Mike in la. Hi, Mike. What's on your mind?
Caller
Hey, Dan. Native Cincinnati. Not your age, actually. I think. Pal, I've been meaning to ask you this for years.
Bucky (Caller)
Dan, thanks for taking the call.
Caller
Who are your three favorite all time announcers in each of the three major sports? Baseball, football and basketball? Or if you got a couple, you
Dan Patrick
gotta, you gotta give me a heads up. You know, I can't do that right off the bat, but up against a break, yeah, I can't do that. And I, I couldn't limit it to three like that. It'd be almost impossible to do that. John in Oklahoma. Hi, John. What's on your mind?
Caller
A first time, long time. About 14 years ago I called you. I can't remember exact year, but you've heard me. After the call, he said, is that John Daly? Anyway, I had an idea for you for your wedding of your daughter's wedding, since you know you're gonna cry to lighten the mood. And I'm sure he's invited your good friend Adam Sandler can break off some sort of wedding singer performance at the after wedding party. What do you think about that?
Dan Patrick
No, no, my wife said she doesn't want it to be jokey. And she said that quite a few times to me. Let's give it a heartfelt speech. And I said, there will be some levity in this speech, but my wife wants me to make sure that I take this seriously. And I can't do that to Sandman. He's already done enough for me. I can't go, hey, Sandman, would you sing a couple of songs there at my daughter's wedding reception? And knowing him, he would probably do it. Him or Will Ferrell would probably do it. But no, I can't do that. If it, if it got me off the hook, then maybe. But no, I gotta, I gotta zero in. I gotta zero in on the greatest speech ever given. They'll be talking about this one for years. Long after I'm gone. It'll be the blueprint for how to give a speech at a wedding reception. That's my goal. Talk some football. Coming up with the Monday morning quarterback. Final hour in this Wednesday after this.
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Date: May 20, 2026
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Host: Dan Patrick
Featured Guest: Tim Legler (ESPN NBA Analyst)
This lively episode of The Dan Patrick Show dives into a thrilling Knicks comeback in the NBA playoffs, the surprising firing of Dallas Mavericks coach Jason Kidd, and breaking news on the financial woes of the LIV Golf Tour. Dan welcomes NBA analyst Tim Legler for a deep-dive on the Knicks-Cavaliers game—including tactical breakdowns and big picture legacy discussion. The hour also features engaging debates on legacies in decline, the impact of Victor Wembanyama, LIV Golf’s future, and classic "Danettes" banter with callers.
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| Time | Segment Description | |-----------|---------------------------------------------------------| | 02:11 | Knicks-Cavs game recap | | 04:42 | Tim Legler joins | | 06:52 | Coaching decisions—timeouts/Harden’s defense | | 09:00 | The psychological and series impact of the loss | | 13:05 | Victor Wembanyama “most impactful” NBA player debate | | 18:02 | MSG celebrity basketball fandom anecdotes | | 18:45 | Jason Kidd fired, Mavericks “whiteboard” reset | | 23:39 | LIV Golf Tour’s rumored bankruptcy and implications | | 27:09 | Bryson DeChambeau on moon landing/golf | | 31:09 | All-time Knicks starting five debate | | 33:50 | Callers on nostalgia, tequila, and wedding advice | | 39:11 | Insider NFL international/Super Bowl scheduling | | 43:09 | On-air discussion of embracing emotion at weddings |