Hour 2 – Tom Brady’s Conflict of Interest, Chris Fowler

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show – Hour 2 Summary

Episode: Hour 2 – Tom Brady’s Conflict of Interest, Chris Fowler
Date: August 28, 2025
Host: Dan Patrick
Guest: Chris Fowler

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Overview

This episode centers on two major topics: the ongoing controversy regarding Tom Brady’s dual role as a Fox Sports analyst and a Las Vegas Raiders minority owner, and a rich, entertaining interview with ESPN’s Chris Fowler, discussing the evolution of College GameDay, Lee Corso’s legacy, college football changes, and highlights from the world of tennis. The episode also features lively banter, listener calls, humorous reminiscing, and sports betting challenges between listeners and the Danettes.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Poll Question: When Does Fall Start?

[03:26-05:32]

• The team debates a poll: Is the first day of fall September 1st, the first day of college football, or September 22nd (the actual equinox)?
  • 39% vote for September 22nd—Dan jokes this represents the "book smart people," while Todd wonders if it’s just people holding onto summer.
  • Paulie floats the comedic idea of canceling August’s final days to hurry up fall.

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2. Tom Brady’s Conflict of Interest

[05:43-12:53]

• Background: NFL will let Tom Brady, as a broadcaster and Raiders minority owner, into team production meetings — previously restricted due to conflict of interest concerns.
• Dan Patrick's Take:
  • “He shouldn't be in these production meetings. You're a minority owner of the Raiders.” [08:24]
  • Recalls Brady’s association with previous NFL scandals (“Spygate,” “Deflategate”).
  • Raises fairness questions — would coaches be open in meetings knowing Brady’s minority ownership?
  • The NFL is bending rules for Brady’s star power, setting a potential precedent.
  • Highlights difference between knowing football and excelling as a TV analyst: “Tom is learning TV. He knows football.” [08:59]
• Paulie’s Perspective:
  • Uses hypothetical: What if Brady, as a player, had to disclose to a broadcaster with ownership stake in a rival team?
  • “Is it fair to Fox as an organization if Tom walks in…and teams are less than forthcoming?” [09:57]
  • Faults the NFL for allowing such conflicts to arise: “It's so obvious that you shouldn't have allowed it to be done. But they wanted Brady involved in everything.” [10:42]
• Funny Aside:
  • Dan jokes about hiring Jerry Jones as a broadcaster: “I don't want Jerry Jones doing Eagles games.” [11:34]
  • Paulie quips: “I actually do. I think I would tune into that…”
• Takeaway:
  • The panel is unified—Brady’s dual roles present an ethical gray area, and the NFL is making rule exceptions for his fame.

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3. Listener Call-Ins and Banter

[12:55-19:48]

• Anniversary of the Fritzi Bagel Meltdown: Listener sends onion bagels to commemorate Todd’s infamous meltdown at a bagel drive-thru.
  • Todd: “Wasn't sure...didn’t know if these were tainted bagels.” [13:32]
• Fans call in with stories, location suggestions for live shows, and quirky sports superstitions:
  • Example: “Jennifer Lopez files for divorce, Panthers go to Super Bowl” correlation [15:06].
  • Sports documentary pitches like a “30 for 30” spoof.
• SMU Football Scandal Reminiscing:
  • Dan, Paulie, and the crew recall the brazen payouts chronicled in the SMU “30 for 30” documentary.
  • Paulie: “One of the best parts…the envelopes had SMU athletic department letterhead. Not hard to trace it back.” [19:27]
  • Dan: “But everything is on the up and up now in college football.” [19:40]

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4. Chris Fowler Interview

[21:06-36:20]

College GameDay: Behind the Scenes

• Origins of GameDay-on-the-Road:
  • Fowler recalls skepticism about going on-site: “Is anybody going to show up?”
  • “If you have a camera, people will show up.” — Dan Patrick [23:40]
  • First trip: Florida State vs. Notre Dame in 1993.
  • Corso’s spontaneous pick change after pep rally hype: “Can I change my pick?” [24:51], showing the show’s raw and improvisational early days.
• Rise of Lee Corso:
  • Early Corso: “He would say stuff that would piss off players, coaches, fans…He was a polarizing guy…and that helped spark things.” — Chris Fowler [26:08]
  • “He was like a hot take guy before that existed. But he did it, you know, with taste.” — Fowler
  • The Headgear Tradition:
    • Originated at Ohio State, involved “tense negotiations” just to get the Brutus Buckeye mascot head.
    • “The minute he puts it on…we’re onto something.” — Fowler [27:32]
• Favorite Celebrity Picker:
  • Comedians like Bill Murray, Will Ferrell, Vince Vaughn.
  • Bill Murray’s insane antics: “He knocked [Lee] to the ground, did an atomic knee drop…grabbed the spear, and threw it over people’s heads. It landed…harmlessly, thank God. Somebody could have been impaled.” — Fowler [28:49]

College Football State & Hot Topics

• If Fowler Could Change One Thing:

  • Dislikes the chaos of unrestricted transfer portals and NIL free agency: “There needs to be some order. I’d like to see that cleaned up.” [31:57]
  • “This isn’t going away. It’s kind of fun…some of these teams have a completely new team.”
  • Likes new playoff format, opposes further expansion.

• Belichick in College Football:

  • Uncertain how Belichick will fare — “Can he make a difference on Saturdays? Can he make a difference with adjustments?” [33:20]
  • Believes there will be curiosity-driven viewership, both from people wanting him to succeed and those wanting to see him fail.

• Deion Sanders and Colorado:

  • Dan: Noted the novelty may be fading without Hunter and Shador Sanders.
  • Fowler: “He’s just a compelling figure…his messaging with his team…is old school and valuable stuff.” [35:43]

Tennis Musings

• State of the Game:
  • Men’s game: “Compelling as ever” with two stars post-Big Three.
  • Women’s game: “Wide open…major finals have been the least predictable in sports.” [31:14]

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5. More Listener Calls & Sports Betting

[38:26-43:50]

• Bagel Meltdown Callbacks Continue:
  • Listeners and Danettes replay and clarify details from the infamous onion bagel incident.
• Fun Sports Bets:
  • Pie-to-the-face challenges proposed on field goal records and outcomes of Texas vs. Ohio State.
  • Dan opines on betting: “I think it's become commonplace that these guys are kicking at close to 70 yards.” [42:10]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Dan on NFL/Broadcasting Ethics:
  • “You got to be fair to being either a minority owner who is very active, from what I’m told, or you’re going to be a broadcaster.” — [08:40]
• Paulie on ownership conflicts:
  • “Imagine if Brady was still playing with the Patriots and he was doing a sit-down production meeting with blank announcer who had a piece of the New York Jets.” [09:57]
• Fowler on Corso’s early days:
  • “He was like a hot take guy before that existed. Right. But he did it, you know, with taste.” — [26:08]
• Fowler on the GameDay magic:
  • “The minute he puts on…Brutus head, and we’re onto something.” — [27:32]
• Dan on College Football’s present:
  • “But everything is on the up and up now in college football.” [19:40] (sarcastic)
• Fowler on transfer portal/NIL chaos:
  • “You can’t have the chaos of unrestricted free agency with multiple windows during the year.” — [31:57]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |---------------------------------------------------------------|-------------| | Poll question: When does fall start? | 03:26-05:32 | | Tom Brady’s broadcast/ownership conflict | 05:43-12:53 | | Danettes debate NFL’s rule bending | 11:12-12:53 | | Listener bagel call-in / Bagel meltdown anniversary | 12:55-14:37 | | Superstition call—JLo, Panthers, Buckeyes | 15:06-16:23 | | “30 for 30” and SMU scandal reminiscing | 17:01-19:40 | | Chris Fowler interview begins | 21:06-36:20 | | College GameDay early days & Corso memories | 23:13-30:34 | | Fowler on transfer portal/college football reform | 31:57-33:02 | | Discussion: Belichick and Deion Sanders as CFB head coaches | 33:02-36:20 | | Bagel calls, more listener stories and sports bets | 38:26-43:50 |

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Tone & Style

• The tone is witty, engaging, and sports-savvy, with Dan and his co-hosts mixing serious analysis with offbeat humor and lively audience participation. Chris Fowler’s segment recalls ESPN’s early days with warmth and behind-the-scenes banter.

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For New Listeners

Expect candid, insider sports debate with a healthy dose of nostalgia and playful ribbing—plus, where else can you get an epic breakdown of bagel drive-thru drama alongside commentary on Tom Brady’s NFL privileges?

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Summary compiled by AI Podcast Summarizer.

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We don't just love college football, Ty. We live it. You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio Hour 2 on this Thursday, Dan and the Dan x Dan Patrick Show. A lot of football coming up tonight. Chris Fowler, the original host of College Game Day. We'll talk to Chris. Of course, the final game day appearance for Coach Corso with Ohio State in Texas on Saturday. Your phone calls always welcome. 877-3-DP show email address dpdanpatrick.com Twitter handle @DP Show Stat of the day is always brought to you by the great folks at Panini America. They're the official trading cards of the show. Tailgate Tour Seton going to Columbus this weekend. He'll be part of the FOX Sports Radio Tailgate Tour. Head to danpatrick.com to follow along. All right, so poll question. Let's clean up the first hour seat. And what are we going to go with an hour too?

[Unidentified Panelist (possibly a producer or co-host)]

It's a controversial poll question right here we've got up there right now, the first day of fall is September 1st, the first day of college football or September 22nd.

[Dan Patrick]

Obviously it's September 1st. It'll need an autumn, autumnal solstice or anything.

[Unidentified Panelist (possibly a producer or co-host)]

I don't know what this says about our audience.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Unidentified Panelist (possibly a producer or co-host)]

But right now with 39% of the vote, September 22nd is winning. Then there's a two way split right down the middle. Tie between September 1st and the first day of college football. I'm just saying if I'm choosing my group of friends from these results.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Unidentified Panelist (possibly a producer or co-host)]

There's 39% that I'm leaving out.

[Dan Patrick]

Those are the book Smart People.

[Unidentified Panelist (possibly a producer or co-host)]

Okay. I know exactly by the rule.

[Dan Patrick]

We got it. We got it. Yes. Todd, Is it the book Smart People.

[Todd]

Or is there a portion of the audience that just doesn't want to let go of summer and they want those extra few weeks and they can't accept that all of a sudden, September 1st, we're calling it the end of summer break and sun and beaches and vacations, all that stuff.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, it's 52 degrees this morning. I know.

[Todd]

Just psychologically, but sometimes, you know, after Labor Day they can all of a sudden you get one of those hot days in early or mid September before it actually stays cool for the rest of the next several months. I'm just wondering if that's a psychological thing. I need to hold on to summer to the last possible day. Don't rush it.

[Dan Patrick]

I like to get into fall sooner.

[Unidentified Panelist (possibly a producer or co-host)]

Yeah, more fall, the better for me.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Paulie]

Paul, I'd be in favor of canceling the last five days of August to get us to September faster, though. I don't know how you do that. But people who love summer, if you bump fall up to September 1st and we bump summer up to June 1st, they get three. Three more weeks of summer.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm fine with that.

[Paulie]

Problem solved.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Unidentified Panelist (possibly a producer or co-host)]

What if we just made September have 35 days?

[Paulie]

Now we're talking.

[Unidentified Panelist (possibly a producer or co-host)]

We just say September actually goes to.

[Dan Patrick]

The 35th and then we're taking 5 off of August.

[Unidentified Panelist (possibly a producer or co-host)]

Yeah, August only goes to. Yeah, what, the 25th, I guess, whatever. 26 maybe.

[Dan Patrick]

Who do we propose this to?

[Unidentified Panelist (possibly a producer or co-host)]

I got a guy I know.

[Dan Patrick]

Maybe President Trump.

[Unidentified Panelist (possibly a producer or co-host)]

Everybody's calling for it. Everybody says they want it.

[Dan Patrick]

Maybe we could ask. It's funny.

[Paulie]

This could get traction. The next thing you know.

[Unidentified Panelist (possibly a producer or co-host)]

This is exactly the kind of thing they get done like that.

[Dan Patrick]

The Brady rules are basically done. The NFL will allow Tom Brady, the Fox Sports analyst and Las Vegas Raiders minority owner, to take part in production meetings with coaches and teams this season. This is according to the athletic Brady's first year as a broadcaster. He was banned from the information gathering sessions for just about the whole season and the rules were put in place. Due to his ownership stake, the NFL relented for the Super Bowl. Brady's play by play partner Kevin Burkhart and other crew members would inform Brady of what was said in these meetings. The sessions with coaches and players can reveal nuggets that can be used during the broadcast. Sometimes they take place over zoom, sometimes in person. Brady is still not allowed to go to team practices. Fox and the NFL declined comment. All right, he shouldn't be in these production meetings. You're a minority owner of the Raiders. Now, whether he. He was, he was still involved with a team that was involved in the two biggest cheating scandals of all time, correct? He was involved in. Well, his team was involved in Spygate. There was deflate gate. He shouldn't be in these meetings. It's just pick one or other, the other. The NFL wants Tom to be there doing the games. I get that. But, you know, now you're kind of changing the rules just so Tom can go into these meetings. And he does need to be in these meetings. If you want to be a broadcaster, be a broadcaster, go into those meetings, be professional, and they're going to treat you as such a professional. But I mean, if I'm a coach and I play the Raiders at some point this season, and I don't know how many times this would happen, do I? I mean, how forthcoming do you want to be here? Tom can ask you anything you want. Now, you don't have to answer that, but I Don't know. Somebody's, this guy's got a banged up ankle, probably be left that way all season long. Or this guy, you know, can't count on him. It feels like, you know, he's. Or, man, he's not very good. At the end of season, who knows what information comes out. I just think you got to be fair to being either a minority owner who is very active, from what I'm told, or you're going to be a broadcaster. And keep this in mind, how competitive Tom is. I don't think this is like a summer, you know, vacation for Tom where I'm going to be a broadcaster for a little while. He's going to want to be great and you're going to want to get information. He, he wants to get somebody who's going to tell him something. Then he's going to be, oh, do you hear what Tom said or do you hear what Tom found out? And he does need these nuggets. I mean, Tom is learning tv. He knows football. There's big difference. There are guys who aren't great football players who are really good analysts because they understand TV as well, and Tom is understanding that. And I think if you want to be successful, be in the meetings, go to a practice. I mean, this is why Collinsworth is the best in the business. He's there, he's going to the practices. He knows who these players are. You know, there are some analysts. The further you get away, the less you know when you were playing and you're a couple years removed, you know who these players are. You get 5, 7, 10 years away and you're like 57, 32. It's not what you should be doing. But if Tom's going to do it, I think you got to say to Tom, decide what you want to do. But the NFL is going to bend the rules here because they want Tom to be part of the Fox broadcast. I understand that. I don't think it's. I don't think it's right because he, he's sort of going to the meetings or he's sort of involved in the game, but he can't go to the practices. But then everybody who's there is going to tell him everything that went on. So really he's kind of there by proxy. Yeah, Paulie.

[Paulie]

And is it fair to Fox as an organization if Tom walks in to talk to a franchise and they're less than forthcoming because they're concerned about this? Now, Fox suffers by not getting information to use on game day. Imagine, imagine if Brady was still playing with the Patriots and he was doing a sit down production meeting with blank announcer who had a piece of the New York Jets. You think he's going to hold back a little extra? Of course he is, because he's a competitor and he wouldn't trust that medium.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, this is.

[Paulie]

The roles are reversed.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, I agree. It's a great point. If Peyton Manning was part owner of the Broncos or the Colts and he's going in there, is Tom going to share information with him? Maybe not. Yeah, Paulie.

[Paulie]

And this goes back though, to the NFL being at fault for allowing this to happen. You know, you don't even need a rule in place that says you can't be an announcer and an owner. There probably is one, but it's so obvious that you shouldn't have allowed it to be done. But they wanted Brady involved in everything. His brand, with their brands.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, well, okay. Gotta felt who knew about the commissioner's exemplary. Like, you never know. They could be like, you know what, we're gonna change the rule here. Okay. Yeah.

[Unidentified Panelist (possibly a producer or co-host)]

See, like that's what drives me crazy though is that there's. There are rules in place for a reason.

[Dan Patrick]

Until they don't need to be in place.

[Unidentified Panelist (possibly a producer or co-host)]

Well, no, they do still need to be in place. We just don't want them in place anymore.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. Well, for Tom. Correct. Yeah, we don't want that pesky thing in place. But if. And you're not going to have somebody else do this.

[Unidentified Panelist (possibly a producer or co-host)]

I don't want Jerry Jones doing Eagles games.

[Paulie]

I actually do. I think. I think I would tune into that third and seven, which is why I.

[Dan Patrick]

Didn'T take this guy. What if Fox hired Jerry Jones and said, we want you to be an analyst for a couple of games but. But we need you to go to the production meetings and with the NFL, allow Jerry Jones to go in there to the Eagles production meeting.

[Paulie]

They've set precedent with Brady so Jerry.

[Dan Patrick]

Would be allowed to do that. Right.

[Paulie]

Jerry may take that job. More air.

[Dan Patrick]

More airtime. Yes.

[Buzz Knight]

Marvin, I'm looking at the Raiders schedule. What's going to happen if Tom Brady has this game? It's the Raiders at the Commanders on Fox.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, he has the Commanders in the Giants game first week, I believe. Correct.

[Buzz Knight]

Let me check.

[Dan Patrick]

I think that might be his first game. And then you're going to have the Commanders against the Raiders later in the season. It's just you're kind of screaming out, you know, conflict of interest here. But they've allowed him to do it, so great. Congratulations. Now go Learn some things there. Give us some nuggets there. Yes, Paulie.

[Paulie]

He's on the commissioner's non exempt list.

[Buzz Knight]

He's not exempt.

[Paulie]

He's not exempt from anything.

[Dan Patrick]

A couple of phone calls in here. We'll talk to Chris FOWLER in about 10 minutes from now. This is the fifth anniversary of the Fritzi meltdown in the drive through of a bagel chain store. They did not have onion bagels and they did not have tuna fish as well. And it was 15 minutes before closing time and Todd had a meltdown. And we had a listener who just sent in onion bagels. And Todd is. Wasn't sure because he didn't know if these were tainted bagels. But I said, go ahead. I said, todd, I'll eat half a bagel. How's that?

[Todd]

A period of time has passed since a number of us, including myself, have partake in and I think we're okay.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. Is there anything else you'd like to add?

[Todd]

Just thanks to Jeff. That was a very thoughtful thing. Especially on the anniversary. This guy gets it. And that was kind.

[Dan Patrick]

All right. Michael in South Bend. Hi, Michael.

[Caller]

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my call. Yeah, I just want to comment about the bagel situation. I have a wife who's about 32 weeks pregnant. That reminds me of when I get to McDonald's at 10:01am and they stop serving breakfast and I have to hear about it the rest of the day. But also wanted to comment about you guys coming in for the USC game. The South Bend wanted to see if you guys were doing a live audience or if you had a place to do the show. A recommendation of mine would be o' Rourke's Irish Pub, right across from the stadium. My wife will be one week out from her due date, so her last request would be coming to you guys live.

[Dan Patrick]

I could always visit her in the delivery room.

[Caller]

Oh, Dan, we'd welcome that.

[Dan Patrick]

We would.

[Caller]

I'd let you up before my parents.

[Dan Patrick]

I don't know where we're going to be. We're going to be outside the stadium. We're still working on this. And we'll let you know if we can have an audience. We have to get security. Like there's a lot more that goes into it. It's not just we show up and come out and you can rage. We. We want to make sure that it's a little bit organized here, but thank you, Michael. And whatever your wife needs, supply it. Keith and Charlotte. Hi, Keith. What's on your mind?

[Caller]

Hey, Dan, thanks for calling me back.

[Dan Patrick]

Yep.

[Caller]

Hey, So I know that we are talking a little bit about stars aligning and equinoxes, and I heard this little tidbit about a week ago, and I have some hope for the Panthers now this season. I'm hoping that this will come through. So in 2002, Panthers have a losing record. Ohio State wins the national championship, Jennifer Lopez files for divorce. 2003, Panthers go to Super Bowl. 2014, Panthers have a losing record, Ohio State wins. Matty. Jennifer Lopez filed for divorce. 2015, Panthers go to the Super Bowl. 2024, Panthers have a losing record, Ohio State wins the Natty and Jennifer Lopez files for divorce. Cancers go to the Super Bowl. I say put your money down now.

[Dan Patrick]

I love that, Keith. I'm going to bring that up on the gambling podcast. I'm sure Shay and Irving, he'll put some money down on that. I don't know if it's that big a deal that JLO files for divorce because that seems to be a common occurrence.

[Unidentified Panelist (possibly a producer or co-host)]

Something less common.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. Yes. That's happened quite a few times. I have a little more teeth to it. Yeah, she's plowed through a few husband's there. Yes, Todd.

[Todd]

I thought numerology was interesting. He took that to a completely other level.

[Dan Patrick]

I love that. That's awesome. Andrew in Pittsburgh. Hi, Andrew. What's on your mind?

[Caller]

Hi, Dan. Just calling in the wake of the gold digging patent filed by Bill and his girlfriend. The entire thing will likely end poorly for Bill, but I can't help but feel the 30 for 30 is going to be absolute fire. So I got a pitch for you.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Caller]

What if I told you that you could strike gold on a 747 that even goats could become domesticated? And the Panthers weren't the only kitty that Bill was pounding ESPN 30 for 30.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, no, no, no, no, Andrew. No, no, no, no.

[Buzz Knight]

Get a little loose.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Can't. Can't get loose. And turn.

[Unidentified Panelist (possibly a producer or co-host)]

That's over the line.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, it is. That was over the line. Yes. Yeah.

[Todd]

Family show.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Bill being the goat can be domesticated. That. That's what he meant. The other line. I don't need to explain that. I did watch the 30 for 30 on SMU football again last night. They're just. They were so brazen. That. And. And the fact that Eric Dickerson gets that gold Trans Am from Texas A and M and then doesn't have to give it back. He just kept it and went to smu because Texas A and M can't report that. Hey, we gave him that Trans Am. Just what went on in that conference. Oh, my goodness. And Ron Meyer, that, you know, that's one of those, hey, I gotta get. I gotta get out of town here. I'm gonna go to the Patriots. Hey, that's how hot it is right now. I gotta get out of here. And all of a sudden. And look, they were a really good team, really good team. But you have Eric Dickerson, Craig James, the quarterback, Lance McElhenney, I think. Yep. He was a artist, a magician and small guy. But you're just watching this and they talked about the oil boom and so much money and boosters and I mean, what has really changed? You know, boosters, they want their team to be good. What's it going to take? And the main booster at smu, I don't even think they got him on camera to talk. He was like, had nothing to say about it. He didn't want to be involved, I guess, in the 30 for 30. But you're. You're watching. And Eric Dickerson, that running style, one of his teammates said you could put like a drink on his helmet and he wouldn't spill a drop because he ran so upright. And Craig James, I remember Craig James telling me a story that his brother would bet people when Craig was going to run the 100 yard dash in high school because he was usually the only white guy. And he would be betting people that Craig was going to win. And then Craig would win because he, you know, was a track star or, you know, had track speed there. But smu, man. Yeah. Paulie.

[Paulie]

One of the best parts about the documentary is one of the ways they got caught. They were paying players with cash, and the envelopes had SMU athletic department letterhead. Not hard to trace it back.

[Dan Patrick]

But everything is on the up and up now in college football. Yes. Marvin, right? Absolutely. Yes. Come on now. Conference realignment.

[Buzz Knight]

Let's go.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes.

[Buzz Knight]

Nio.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. Let's take a break here. Chris Fowler will join us on loan for the mothership. More of your phone calls as well. We're back after this Dan Patrick Show. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific, on Fox Sports.

[Buzz Knight]

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[Dan Patrick]

We'll get to your phone calls. Coming up, Chris Fowler, busy man, ESPN college football, tennis host, commentator. He'll be on the call. Saturday night, it'll be LSU at number four, Clemson. Herbie will be there. Holly Row, Molly McGrath. And then week two, you got Michigan at number 18, Oklahoma. Also part of the U.S. open broadcast. ESPN airs all 15 days of the U.S. open on all of its networks. You got the women's singles final Saturday and the men's singles finals Sunday. That'll be the seventh on ABC and espn. The Portes. Good to see you, Chris. How are you, bud?

[Buzz Knight]

Thanks for the extended promo. Hope that wasn't part of the deal getting me on, but it was.

[Dan Patrick]

You're very generous. It was. The PR machine at ESPN said we got two plugs for Chris. I go, okay, So I meant to text you.

[Buzz Knight]

Belated congratulations. Your team's triumph on Celebrity Family Feud. I. I guess we watched it last month, but it was. It was a stirring performance. You guys showed. You're very in tune with the people. Very in tune with the people, Dan. So it was good.

[Dan Patrick]

We had fun. But it's one of those that you say, yeah, let's do it. And then I got on stage and all of a sudden Steve Harvey comes out. I got my Dan name tag and I go all bleep. What am I doing here? I just kept thinking something's going viral. And when it goes viral, it's usually bad. And thankfully it did not. But there was some trepidation for the wrong time to have trepidation when you're on stage with Steve.

[Buzz Knight]

I would freeze out there. I think I'd choke. If you gotta hit the buzzer and come up with something crazy question. You did well, though.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, we went through rehearsal, I got yelled at because I screwed up. You're not allowed to have your hand up, and you have to have your hand down. And I got. It was a false start. And then they go, hey, no. And I go, all right. And then you weren't allowed to talk to each other. Somebody's in the audience and they're saying, hey, no talking. You can't talk. I. We were. I thought we were gonna get, you.

[Buzz Knight]

Know, you guys are running rough shot.

[Dan Patrick]

We were. We were. Take me back to game day now. I'm gonna go off memory here. When I was at the Mothership, I remember the thought of you guys going out to a football game was met with some great hesitation, like, is anybody going to show up? Like, why would we do that? You know, it's fine here in studio. They don't need to be out there. Who's going to show up? And I just remember that there were a couple of members of management saying that. And I thought, if you have a camera, people will show up. If there's a camera, people want to be on tv. That it was the only thing I said to John Walsh, our boss, I said, if you got cameras, kids will show up.

[Buzz Knight]

What kind of three of them? I think we actually had three of them.

[Dan Patrick]

No.

[Buzz Knight]

Well, they had to spend some money. I think it was the grand total, something like 50 grand to take the show on the road, which is like, that's about a segment's worth of today's cost. Now, we had to convince folks we've done it at bowl games, but never on a campus. Finally had Florida state, Notre Dame 1 versus 2 in November in 1993, and it was a game worthy. They thought of getting us out on the road and. And, you know, we didn't know what we were doing. We didn't know how to make it. You know, we were pretty clueless where it was indoors at the hall of Fame, and people were kind of wandering by. Let me check out the Heismans. Wait a minute. What's going on over there? And they didn't know exactly what we were doing, but it was evident, like, from that very first show, Dan, that, hey, you know, you're right. There's cameras, there's people. We're on a campus and we're onto something. And next year, we went on the road more and more, and after that, every week.

[Dan Patrick]

When did you know that all of a sudden, this is clicking with America.

[Buzz Knight]

On game day on the road Shows. Yeah, I mean, there were signs the first time. I mean, Lee Corso came out of the pep rally at Notre Dame on Friday night, and he had picked Florida State all week, you know, the alma mater, and they were the favorite. And he said, can I change my pick? We had just seen Stur out of Regis, or somebody was in there doing their thing. And Lee saw so much spirit at Notre Dame that he immediately wanted to change his pick. And that. Which was funny, you know, it was. Craig James was there. You know, the pony was doing his thing, and Lou Holtz, they won the game. And he made a beeline for our set, which was just down the hall from his office, and just jumped up on the set. Corso jumped up, tried to give him his microphone. Like I said, it was pretty raw back then, but we knew we had something. And then year after year, we began to draw bigger crowds, and campuses wanted to outdo the other one and break the record. And it was wild. It was fun. From the morning. The post game shows were a blast. We'd just be sitting outside the stadium and the students would spill out and run to the set.

[Dan Patrick]

Kind of.

[Buzz Knight]

Those were the days when it was simpler, shorter, smaller, but also very raw.

[Dan Patrick]

Your first memory or first thing that comes to mind with Lee Corso back in the embryonic stages of college. Game day.

[Buzz Knight]

I was thinking the other day, I was doing a show with Lee. Wisconsin had blown a game. Something had happened late in the game. Coach's decision. And I'm the only one on the desk with Lee at that year. And he says, Barry Alvarez, the coach at the time, should walk into the locker room, stand in front of his team, and resign immediately. He should quit. I mean, it looks. It occurs to me I'm the only one here. Like, I have to say something about that. There's no Craig James that wasn't on the show, that Beano wasn't there. No one was there but me. You have to say something like, lee, you're not serious. Nothing I say is serious. So he was kidding. But I had to be the only one there to check him. Dan. Now there's about seven guys on game day to check him. But in the early days, he would say stuff. Well before he became like the lovable grandpa figure that everybody smiles when they see, he would say stuff that would piss off players, coaches, fans, that, you know, he was a polarizing guy. And. And that helped spark things, helped get eyeballs and interest on the show. And he and Craig would go at it, and then later, Kurt came on and they would go at it and. And that was the early years of Game Day. It was kind of. He was like a hot take guy before that existed. Right. But he did it, you know, with taste.

[Dan Patrick]

And then the headgear.

[Buzz Knight]

Yes, that's instant. I mean, when. The minute he puts on, you know, Brutus Buckeye head is sort of this. It's a nut. And I think back in the day, it was. I don't know if it was in mint condition when he got it, it was kind of beat up, but he put this thing on. It was a tense negotiation with Ohio State to get them to give up Brutus's head. The story is part of Game Day mythology, but Kirk Curb Street's wife Allison had been a cheerleader of Ohio State. They said, no. Sorry, but no. Later in the week, are you sure? Can we be pushed? And they said, okay, fine, we'll do it and we'll see how this goes. And the minute he puts it on, I mean, it's silly looking, but you knew, oh, wow, suit, tie, Brutus head, and we're onto something. And then every other school saw the magic of that. And then they were. Most of them were willing to cooperate. Now they all cooperate, of course. But, yeah, that was. It was instant. We knew we were onto something.

[Dan Patrick]

Best celebrity picker that you had.

[Buzz Knight]

Ooh, that's tough. Because these celebrities, especially the comedians, wanted to come play with Lee Corso. I mean, that was the reason, I think, why they came on the show. The pick segment at the end, you know, Bill Murray, Will Ferrell, Vince Vaughn, some of the funniest people on the planet wanted to come sit and play off of him and have him say, not so fast, my friend Bill Murray was, Was, you know, well, he was unhinged.

[Caller]

He.

[Buzz Knight]

He was a Clemson fan. They were playing Florida State. Lee put on the Seminole stuff. We had a little mound of dirt in front of the set so he could throw a spear in the ground like Chief Ola. Bill Murray basically undid that whole plan. Like, it knocked him to the ground, did an atomic knee drop on him. Lee wasn't young then, okay? He's 90 now. He wasn't young then. And Bill would grab the spear and he threw it. This is a real. This had a real, like, spear tip. It wasn't a prop. He threw the thing over the heads of these people who were gathered by the Home Depot guests, I guess, and it landed on this demo field harmlessly. Thank God. I mean, somebody could have been impaled. But I, I just think about that. Alice Cooper. All these characters that you would think would have nothing to do with the sport and certainly wouldn't be in the same frame as Lee Corso, but he's sitting there with these guys. I just have beautiful memories of that.

[Dan Patrick]

What about the musket at West Virginia?

[Buzz Knight]

What about all the firearms? I mean, in the Big 12, every school has a firearm involved in. And people think, you know, oh, you guys were soft. Oh, you're reacting like it's a, you know, it's a cannon in your head. Well, as you know, there's a lot of microphones around the set, all these effects microphones that go into your headset. The headsets are cranked up really loud so you can block out the noise and you can hear yourself. Back in those days, I think we had. We had headsets before we got earpieces, but the earpieces are airtight, too, so you can't hear anything else. When he shot the damn guns, I mean, it was beyond definite. Like he just couldn't sit there and not flinch or duck or something, you.

[Dan Patrick]

Know, Chris Fowler joining us, and he's got. Saturday night, it'll be number nine, LSU at number four, Clemson, and also the US Open. State of tennis right now.

[Buzz Knight]

At the top of the men's game. It's compelling as ever. I mean, you got two guys that jumped into the immediate aftermath of Federer, Nadal and Djokovic in Colorado south for us Nianic center, and they've got this rivalry already. They're pushing each other. We're seeing tennis we've maybe never seen played before, and that's saying something given the fact that those three giants elevated the game so much. So I think the men's game at the top is. Is compelling. Got to have some guys join them. Got to have some guys show they.

[Dan Patrick]

Can compete with these two.

[Buzz Knight]

So it's not predictable every final. I mean, most people would expect those guys are going to play again in New York, as they did at Wimbledon and Paris, but you want other guys to compete and join the party. Women's tennis is wide open. It's the opposite. There is no dominant player at the top. It's. It's a free for all. A different player wins every major. It seems all eyes on Coco Golf here in New York. But it's. It's, if you like unpredictability. And I think some of these major finals have been the least predictable events in sports. You know, taking 100 to 1 shots, 80 to 1 shots. Winning Wimbledon on the women's side every year, it's crazy.

[Dan Patrick]

If I said you could change one thing in college football, what would it be?

[Buzz Knight]

I wouldn't turn back the clock. I know we talked about, you know, Nil and Portal. I'm not one of those guys that sits around whining about the modern realities. I'm uncomfortable with certain parts of it. You know, players are they finish the season or they don't even finish the season. Their team is in a bowl game, they're looking for the next spot. They go play spring ball somewhere. They don't like that, they transfer again in the summer, and they're at another campus, probably taking another bag of money from another school in the fall. That. That I don't like. I mean, you can't have the chaos of unrestricted free agency with multiple windows during the year when you can do it. There needs to be some order. I'd like to see that cleaned up, but this isn't going away. And I think it's kind of fun that you get into a new season. Some of these teams, Belichick's got what, like 70 new guys in North Carolina, they have a completely new team. I mean, that's kind of interesting to see how they're going to gel. So I try not to whine about the unintended consequences of reform, which is what we're dealing with. I think there's going to be some order restored. I like the new playoff format. I don't want to see it expand. So I'm kind of good with where we are right now.

[Dan Patrick]

You got North Carolina with a standalone game on Monday night with Belichick. But I think we could tune in and watch Dion at your alma mater because he had his son there and he had Travis Hunter. And Dion's good tv. Bill Belichick's not good tv.

[Buzz Knight]

Press conferences for good tv.

[Dan Patrick]

But I like. It's weird. I would tune into Colorado and I knew I would see his son and I would see Travis and I'd see Dion and the atmosphere and just felt like Dion was an entertainer. Bill's not an entertainer. Now it comes down to, is his team any good? You're not like, I'll tune in to go, okay, does he have a cut off Carolina blue hoodie on? Okay, he does. All right, now let me see if, you know, he can coach college football.

[Buzz Knight]

But don't you think when you said the Patriots, I mean, people would watch them because they wanted to see them lose? It didn't happen that often, but I think people will want to see how his team looks. And I Think some people want him to succeed and some people want to fail. And so there's a. There's a compelling tune in reason, at least early in the season. They're expecting big ratings for that. That Labor Day night game, TCU in Carolina. A lot of curiosity watchers. I think that, look, no one knows how that team's going to gel. I think they should be well coached. But in the acc, it's pretty balanced. Games come down to the finish. Can Belichick make a difference on Saturdays? Can he make a difference with adjustments? Can they win close games? If they can, they can be in the mix in the conference. They're not going to be the most talented team. That's Clemson and then Miami. But, you know, I'm interested to see how they do overall, not just Monday night.

[Dan Patrick]

But you think people tune in to see him fail? Were they tuning in to see Dion in a similar situation of failing or succeeding?

[Buzz Knight]

Some were. I mean, I think he captured imagination of a lot of people who weren't necessarily huge college football fans. And that happened right the minute he got to Colorado. I mean, I was at the spring game is for a sure 50,000 people in a snowstorm or watching a spring scrimmage, and they came into town to watch it. These were not all locals. And I think you saw massive TV ratings even when Colorado began to lose and the story began to change and shift from, hey, Dion's doing some magic, to hey, it's a reality check. They still watched. I mean, and they still do watch. So, yeah, I'm going to be interested to see how they do Friday night. I'll be in Columbus tomorrow night. There's a big Corso luncheon there, which will be a cool event. And then I'll go watch the Buffs that night to see how they look against Georgia Tech. They're underdogs in the first game. Nobody's expecting them to do anything this year, but I think that they got a ship on their shoulder.

[Dan Patrick]

But I wonder about that, though. Has the not will the novelty wear off there of with Dion there?

[Buzz Knight]

It has worn off, I think. I mean, no more Travis Hunter Shador is gone. I think you've got. You got a team of talented players. I mean, they're better than people think. They're not going to be 10th in the Big 12, in my opinion, but I'm always going to be watching. And he's just a compelling figure, Dan, the way he dealt with cancer this summer and was so open and transparent and vulnerable. Not a lot of coaches sit there and talk about, you know, having a, having a cafe or having a Porta John on the sidelines, because they need it. I mean, it's, it's refreshing. His messaging his team, if you're around him, is, is really old school and valuable stuff. I think he's making differences in their lives. So I'm a fan for sure.

[Dan Patrick]

Great to talk to you. Safe travels. Have fun. Saturday night, LSU and Clemson, and then part of ESPN's coverage of the US Open. My best of the family, as always, Chris. Thank you.

[Buzz Knight]

My pleasure, Dan.

[Dan Patrick]

Chris Valor, ESPN College football and tennis HOST Man, Chris, been there a long, long time. Long time. And everything he did, he made it better, which is a true testament of, of talent. But as far as being prepared, he's as prepared. Him and Bob Lee are the two most prepared people I ever work with at the mothership. Like, they, they made me better because you had to be. Yeah. It's like when I went to the Olympics and I thought, God, I'm studying. And then all of a sudden, you know, you run into Costas or you know, somebody else who, you know, one of the hosts, and you're like, damn, Wait, is that your notebook? Yeah, I got a couple of them. What? And then you're thinking, just people who were overly prepared. It just in case, and they certainly have been. We're going to take a break. Phone calls coming up. We're back after this. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our [e-mail] and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Meet Friday tomorrow. Dylan, our resident chef, is already preparing for tomorrow's dish. And we are putting brisket on the Traeger. 12 hours. 12 hours. Vamos. And then I said, okay, but shouldn't it be 24 hours? Oh, boy. But no, he says, now the Interneters, they're going after him because he is maybe not following all the rules of when you want to put brisket on the grill and then he's going to sleep here tonight because he says that he has to be here all night when it's gonna be on the grill. So that's meat Friday tomorrow. Yes. Paul.

[Paulie]

Dan, the smoking community can be quite terse on social media if you use spray or don't use spray in there.

[Dan Patrick]

Like vinegar.

[Paulie]

Vinegars and injections.

[Dan Patrick]

Apple juice.

[Paulie]

Apple juice. Timing slow and low. If you open the canister to take a picture, you're not cooking. It could be very terse.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, well, he's, he's I guess gonna bring on all the haters because he's gonna get, he's, he's readying his brisket. We're gonna have a ceremonial parade to the brisket to the grill. When he puts the brisket on it. Coming up here in at the top of the hour. We'll walk with him as he puts it on the grill. Jeff in Milwaukee. Hi, Jeff. What's on your mind today?

[Caller]

Morning, PP Hope you guys enjoyed the bagels.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, you sent the bagels.

[Caller]

I did. Jeff Borelli from Milwaukee sent him the bagels to the, as Seton would put it, most fascinating person on the planet. Possibly.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, the fifth year anniversary of Todd melting down with the no onion bagel and no tuna fish. But you did send in 13 onion bagels with schmear I think on there as well. So thank you. That's very nice of you, Fritz. He thought it was maybe a suspicious package and he wasn't going to have any. But then he smelled the onion bagel and he caved in.

[Todd]

I couldn't resist.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. But thank you. Very nice of you, Jeff.

[Caller]

That's exactly how I thought it would go. I've listened since you guys were first on in Madison when you. Your first day in LA and what have you. So exactly how I thought it would go. And you didn't play the clip that's eight minutes long. But you did get another five minute rant out of thanks me while I was on hold and I'm trying to tell him like I was surprised when I ordered this week that that one national chain that he berated the young, young child cashier, they actually don't have onion bagels. And I'm trying to tell them how surprised I was and he's like cutting me off to do it. Like he's telling me to cut it in half and then cut it in half. It was, that was quite the roll reverse.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, well, thank you, Jeff. Is the place you went to. They don't have onion bagels on the menu.

[Todd]

As far as I know they do. They just didn't have that thing without giving out the name. Unless they changed something recently.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, we don't need what Paul.

[Paulie]

That differs with the initial story from five years ago. The it remembers that Todd was told whilst in the drive through that they are no longer on the menu and he was expecting this 16 year old girl to call up corporate and change the direction of the franchise in real time.

[Dan Patrick]

That makes it look even worse.

[Todd]

No, I think, I think the situation was. It was, it was. They Were still making onion bagels. They ran out on your bagel. It was the tuna that they decided that they're gonna. They're no longer having tuna as something that you can put on the bagel.

[Dan Patrick]

Cameron in Indiana. Hi, Cameron. What's on your mind?

[Todd]

We're moving on. It sounds like.

[Dan Patrick]

No, Todd cut it in half.

[Unidentified Panelist (possibly a producer or co-host)]

You cut the bagel in half and then half the quarters.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Hey, Cam, what's on your mind?

[Caller]

Yeah, so, hey, I got a rather controversial pie in the face. But for you guys going back to preseason, I will take this season. I will take the record field goal to be broken. So if you take the pie in the face, but you'll say it won't fake.

[Dan Patrick]

So you're saying that somebody will set the all time field goal record.

[Caller]

Yep. This season it'll be broken.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, how many yards?

[Caller]

Let's go. 67, 68.

[Dan Patrick]

And that's not that long anymore, but.

[Paulie]

Yes, Paulie, Justin Tucker, I think is still the record holder with 66 yards.

[Dan Patrick]

He won't be breaking it this year. No, he will not.

[Paulie]

I wouldn't be surprised at the NFL wants someone to break it.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. Does anybody want a piece of Cameron that we will have an all time record field goal? Yeah, I'm with you. I think everybody's with you, Cameron. I think it's become commonplace that these guys are kicking at close to 70 yards. You just have to get into that situation in the game where your coach is going to allow you to kick a 70 yard field goal or they may need a 70 yard field goal end of the first half or end of the game. But thank you, Cam, for the phone call. Brad in Texas. Hi, Brad.

[Caller]

Did not send bagels. Quick comment that applied to the face. Can't believe y' all are letting quickly off the hook with the engagement. But that's whatever. We'll see if you'll have any takers on Texas at Ohio State. I got Texas by seven at least.

[Dan Patrick]

All right. Not a good connection there, Brad, but thank you for the phone call. He's got the Longhorns by seven. Ohio State's favored by one and a half. Does anybody want a piece of Brad that he's got Texas by at least seven? Anybody? Anybody? Paulie? Considering.

[Paulie]

Considering it's a big line.

[Dan Patrick]

I know.

[Paulie]

I'll take it for fun.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, well, you're getting one and a half. Yeah, he says they're winning by seven.

[Buzz Knight]

Dang.

[Dan Patrick]

Final hour on the way. So we've had a Manning finish fourth, third and second in the Heisman race.

[Paulie]

Correct.

[Dan Patrick]

So, Arch, Archie, Eli and Pete. So Arch, he could be the first to grab a Heisman. Final hour on this Thursday, right after this.

[Ebony]

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