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Marv Polayes
Back and looked and I know it was kind of a mutual decision with Tyreek Hill in Kansas City because of finances, but Tyreek Hill was on his way to being a first ballot hall of Famer with Kansas City. I think he had gone to he was first team all pro four out of five years. Mahomes had one great year in Miami and then it's cooled off quite a bit.
Dan Patrick
But he did say, you know, he loved, you know, Tua. But Tua was critical of him, saying that in the off season he kind of needed to, you know, own up to his immaturity here and be a leader. And by all accounts, it sounded like that's what he was doing. It certainly didn't look like that. Week one against the Colts. Yes.
Fritzy Seaton
Marvin, could this be an Antonio Brown situation where you look at his numbers and for a five or six year stretch, he was one of the best, if not the best receiver in football and it just kind of fell off.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, I don't know what that is of trying to keep that window of five or six years of being great. And Antonio Brown was on his way to the hall of Fame. And Tyree Kill, I agree with Paulie, like that, that that's how you start a Hall of Fame resume. And then all of a sudden it's. It's tailed off. And for whatever reason, it's tailed off. I mean, Antonio Brown, you know, he. That was career suicide. And it might be the same with Tyreek Hill. And I wouldn't be surprised if now it felt like. And he had some cryptic social media posts where, I'm out of here. Well, maybe that's not cryptic.
Marv Polayes
Pretty direct.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, I'm out of here. What do you mean by that? I'm out of here. But then, you know, now talk to him down off the ledge and then here we go. And, and let's, let's see what he does in week two against New England. See if he puts up some big numbers that he gets his touches and then maybe everything's okay after that. It's not going to be okay in the long run because it feels like this is it. Do I want to spend $30 million on him? No. Unless I'm a contender. But I don't know if the Dolphins are a contender. It certainly didn't look like that against the Colts. All right, poll question for hour two is going to be what? Seaton?
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Dan Patrick
Yeah.
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Your options are, are they top 10, 11 through 20 or 21? Plus right now, 11 through 20 has about 56% of that vote. 11 have in the top 10. Dan, those are your people. That's your group right there.
Dan Patrick
But it could come crashing down. They have Miami. And they're a big underdog against Miami this weekend.
Marv Polayes
Yes, Paul, I watch a lot of college football and here's the rationale. You put south Florida at 18. A nice.
David Carr
Oh, look at them.
Marv Polayes
They beat Florida. You put them at 18. If they somehow get waxed by Miami this week, you could easily drop them out of the top 20 and not look foolish.
Dan Patrick
Jared in Tampa. Hi, Jared. Hey, Dan.
Caller
6 foot 180. Hey, I, I know that you're hopping on the USF bandwagon here and there is plenty of room. One of the things for the long haul that might be interesting is we have this quarterback, he's a freshman from the uk, Sam Fenton. And he, he came up through a UK high school and now he's at usf. So something to. You know what, I don't know how this weekend's gonna go, but something to watch for the long haul. Thanks for having me on. And hey, to my dad, who I know is listening.
Dan Patrick
All right, thank you, Jerry. Yeah. All right. I appreciate that. Another reason to root for South Florida or be curious about them. Just like me watching byu, Stanford re air last night because they have a quarterback who's number 47 and I believe his name is Bear. Yes, Marvin.
Fritzy Seaton
Now, for now for South Florida, if they have a good loss, say if they lose by seven, do you still keep them in the top 25?
Dan Patrick
Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I mean, they're supposed to lose this guy. You know, you start to look at these sacrificial lambs. So I expected Grambling to be blown out by Ohio State and they were. I did not expect Oregon to blow out Oklahoma State. Oklahoma State is not Grambling. Grambling is going there to get a paycheck and get blown out and have their band, you know, get to play at the Horseshoe. Oklahoma State, that's big time football.
Fritzy Seaton
We thought.
Dan Patrick
And that's what's shocking. If, if you're one of these smaller schools, you know you're going to get beat. The question is how badly. Oklahoma State, you don't lose 69 to 3.
Marv Polayes
They were 10 and 4 two years ago, man.
Dan Patrick
That one. I don't know if there'll be a more shocking law. There will be a more shocking loss. But that was one of those. I'm watching it and I'm going, that's Oklahoma State. That's my gundy. I mean, even if you lost by three touchdowns, okay, 69 to three and, oh, God, these sideline reporters who have to ask a coach, what kind of adjustments are you going to make in the second half. Hey, any positives that you take from the first half, coach? Well, my field goal kicker gave us three. That's about it. That's. That's where. If you're the sideline reporter and you go, okay, I. I'm gonna have to talk. I gotta ask him a couple of questions. And that's where you go to your producer. You go, any suggestions here? Can you. Can you say to Mike Gundy when you're down by 40 at halftime, dude. And just say that. Dude, that was rough. Yes, Marvin.
Fritzy Seaton
Yeah. All I keep going back to is Barry Sanders went there.
Dan Patrick
Yeah.
Fritzy Seaton
DEZ Bryant went there. T Boom Pickens spent many millions and millions of dollars for that school not to be an embarrassment.
Dan Patrick
And they did him dirty Jeff in Nashville. Hi, Jeff. What's on your mind today?
Caller
A long time. First time. 63205. Lot of talk of firing head coach Brian Callahan. Is there a benefit to firing an NFL coach mid season? And why would you do it? For the fan base, for the locker room. And it doesn't show the team is punted on the season.
Dan Patrick
Well, wait a minute. Are you calling for him to be fired?
Caller
Oh, I don't know. I don't think 18 games is a good enough sample. But they're not. They're not improving.
Dan Patrick
Well, it's only one game. Let's just slow down. You don't. You don't want to be. This isn't a fantasy league. I mean, this is real. And you got a quarterback. Let's see what he can do. Maybe. Maybe in that division, you could surprise some people. But I'm not firing my coach. And they don't like. These owners don't like firing coaches and have to pay out their contracts.
Marv Polayes
Yeah, Paulie, but if you're a Titans fan, it's not the coach. It's management ownership. Three years ago, four years ago, you had Derek Henry under contract. You had a good coach. Mike Vrabel under contract. You had A.J. brown under contract. You let all the talent in your building leave.
Dan Patrick
Yeah.
David Carr
It's not the head coach yet.
Dan Patrick
Christian McCaffrey. I mean, you've had. Oh, Titans, I bet. But, you know, you. You got something here. You got something here. I don't know why I think that. Powder blue. I thought Christian McCaffrey. Yes, Marvin. Yeah.
Fritzy Seaton
Things changed when they traded A.J. brown. And Mike Vrabel's reaction was like, are you kidding me?
Dan Patrick
I know you're supposed to.
Fritzy Seaton
You draft guys so they can be great players.
Dan Patrick
Yeah.
Fritzy Seaton
And then you get rid of them.
Dan Patrick
When he went to that press conference. And you could tell. It's like I got to somehow spin this. I got to make this a positive. It's some of the best acting, though, that I've seen. Nick in New Mexico. Hi, Nick. What's on your mind today?
Caller
Hey, Dan. First time, long time. 6, 1, 2, 20. Thank you.
Dan Patrick
Boys.
Caller
Have a Gallagher story for you. I used to be a marketing director for Whole Foods, and I get PR requests from people from that wanted to visit the store. So I got, believe it or not, Gallagher had PR at the time. And he came in, it was the fall. We did not have watermelons. He was so upset that he had. He was without his signature fruit to smash. And so we. We were looking at alternatives. We were roasting green chili at the time and doing some fresh made salsa. And I came up with the idea to smash some jars of salsa that was splatter everywhere. And he got really upset with that idea. And so they decided to do a little meet and greet, see if people recognized him. No one did without his watermelon, so he Left after like 20 minutes and not good now.
Dan Patrick
Thank you, Nick. Didn't know that I would be stumbling onto Gallagher stories today, but some of the famous South Florida alum Gallagher and his watermelons, Courtney in Indiana. Hi, Courtney. What's on your mind today?
Caller
Hey, I'm just calling to give a shout out to my cousin, Devin Mockabee. He's a running back for Purdue and a shout out to Purdue for turning their season around. I know it's early and only two games, but let's beat USC this weekend.
Dan Patrick
All righty, Courtney. Little shout out.
David Carr
I love that they turn their season around.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah. I don't know if you can officially say you've turned the season around after a couple of games.
David Carr
Like week to week, it started and.
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Dan Patrick
Robin Orlando. Hi, Rob. What's on your mind?
Caller
And this was my original subject, but Nick and Nick talking about smashing jars of salsa. No wonder he's a former PR guy. So I. First off, God bless Richie, man. He is like a defensive back who has to have a short memory when something bad happens. He gets right back on the Horseman, and I love that. And to solve the state of Florida directional thing, it's really simple. South Florida is only Vero beach south on the east coast. Nobody thinks of anything on the west coast of Florida. South Florida, be it Naples for Myers, anything.
Dan Patrick
Thank you, Rob. Wasn't it the Giants defensive back Elvis Patterson, whose nickname Was Toast.
David Carr
Yep.
Marv Polayes
Toast.
Dan Patrick
Because he got burned all the time. What a nickname for a defensive back. Todd. That might be your. Your nickname. Your Toast. Toast, yeah.
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Dan Patrick
It's not. But. But you keep coming back, though. You keep lining up, ready to go.
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The way Toast does.
Dan Patrick
You have. You have no memory of getting burned. Scott in Tampa. Scott, what's on your mind today?
Caller
Hey, guys. First time, long time. 5, 8, 2, 20. So I went to USF. I graduated in 2009. But so I remember back when we were ranked number two, what happened was I think we beat Auburn, I think they were ranked six, and we beat West Virginia, number four, and then we got bumped up to number two. And I remember it was a crazy over ranking and I think it kind of destroyed like our psyche going into. We were overhyped, but I think we got beat by a. Ray Rice and Greg Shiano coach Rutgers.
Dan Patrick
Wow.
Caller
Then probably poor choice awards, but they knocked us out of the number two spot.
Dan Patrick
All right, thank you, Scott. Yeah. Cheer up, Scott. Sound down in the dumps. Teams ranked in the top 25. Yeah, I forgot, you know, they were up to number two in the country a few years ago. Remember when Rutgers wasn't Rutkers number one in the country after winning a like a Monday night game on espn and everybody went crazy.
Marv Polayes
Paulie, the best I could find is 06. Rutgers got to seven in the AP poll, which might as well be number one for Rutgers, breaking the top 10.
Dan Patrick
Did they beat the number one team?
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Marv Polayes
That's a New Jersey one. A hard New Jersey one.
Dan Patrick
Yes.
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Dan Patrick
I thought they won a huge game, I think on ESPN one night. And do you remember that, Marvin?
Fritzy Seaton
They did. I can't remember who it was, but I think it was like a last second field goal. Ito was the kicker.
Dan Patrick
Oh, I gotta look Judge Ito. Okay.
Marv Polayes
They beat Louisville, number three.
David Carr
Louisville, okay.
Marv Polayes
28, 25 on November 6th. Next thing you know, they're ranked seventh in the country. And they promptly lost to Cincinnati and West Virginia.
Dan Patrick
Okay, yeah, now that was a big deal, but I think that was on espn.
Marv Polayes
They were so popular at the time. Rutgers are catching fire that James Gandolfini did a commercial for them and like appeared in a commercial to promote them.
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Dan Patrick
Thank you, Todd. All right, when we come back we'll talk football. And we will have David Carr joining us on loan from NFL Network. More phone calls as well. Back after this in the Dan Patrick Show.
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David Carr
This is the start of the day.
Dan Patrick
Stat of the Day brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the program. David Carr was the number one overall pick by the Texans back in 2002 and you'll find him on NFL Game day final this Sunday at 11:30am Eastern on NFL Network. What was the biggest school to offer you a scholarship?
David Carr
UCLA in Washington. But Pat Hill was not going to have that Dan. You know, he was going to. He rolled into my house, fresh off the airplane in Cleveland as the offensive line assistant and he had a taped up duffel bag, sat down in my living room and just wouldn't leave. I was like, pat, we got to get on flight tomorrow to go Washington maybe. You said, he's like, no, you're going to play quarterback for me. We're going to handle the trenches. And it was just so unique. And he's, he's my favorite. I saw him two days ago with Derek and we went over and just kind of spent some time with him, but he's still out there. He's still at Fresno State holding the cards for the practice squad. Like he literally is running the scout team defense to get those guys ready. So love his heart, man, he's awesome.
Dan Patrick
More important to have a better relationship with your head coach or your offensive.
David Carr
Coordinator, offense coordinator, hands down, he's the guy that, he's in your ear, the head coach. You know, if you have a defensive minded head coach, you rarely talk to him. I remember I talked to Dom Capers in Houston right before the game, like about an hour, hour and a half before the game in his office. And it was like, oh, hey, it's good to see you. Like, what, what's the plan today? And it's really unique. But the offense pointer you talk to at every, every.
Dan Patrick
Wait, wait, so your debut, you didn't talk to your head coach until an hour before the game?
David Carr
Not like a formal meeting or nothing really. X's nose wise. He just kind of brought me in his office and like, this is cool. It's like being in the principal's office a little bit. How are we going to do this thing? But it worked out all right.
Dan Patrick
But that coordinator you're tied to and we've, we find, well, you can look at track records with quarterbacks and go, how many offensive coordinators have they burned through? Or head coaches there? And sometimes we don't factor that in when somebody's successful or they're not. But we, we should factor that in a lot more than we do.
David Carr
You absolutely should. I mean, I think that it's just so difficult because you invest all of your time and energy into learning this system and like ingraining it into your vocabulary. I mean, so much so that my wife will tell you I would literally like say audibles in my sleep and I would Just bark out these cadence and say, it's like you have to internalize it. And then it's like, okay, well, he's not good enough. Get another one. And hey, you got to memorize all these calls. I've gotten to the line of scrimmage before and called the wrong audible from the previous offense. I did it with. I did it in New York. So they just come off Super Bowl. I landed with the Giants. I go up to the line of scrimmage. I know the play. I want to get to weak side, inside zone run. And I checked to the wrong play. And Sean o' Hara turns around, looks at me. He's like, what? Like, literally mid play, I got it right. He figured it out for me. Having a great center is always a good backup plan.
Dan Patrick
But is there, like, common verbiage, though, for all quarterbacks that, you know, maybe a different color or a number or whatever? But it all is sort of the same.
David Carr
All the plays are the same. Like, we just. We just call them something different. So what you have to do is. I actually heard a great Keno McCardell or Keenan. Keenan Allen was talking about this before the broadcast of the day. Chargers, Chiefs. And he's like, honestly, it's the same place. I just have to kind of memorize what words they're using. And so it's. It's all the same stuff. And it's a copycat league. You know, you see, like, Ben Johnson's had success the last couple of years. Well, everybody just rips his stuff. They just call it something else. Like, well, that's. You just stole his copyright infringement right here. But it's all the same stuff. You just got to figure out what the new terms are.
Dan Patrick
Give me the team that stood out either good or bad from week one.
David Carr
Well, Miami was. Obviously, it was on the same field as the team that actually stood out as good. So it's like, you think Miami's going to go in there with Tyreek and, okay, there's no captainship there. And he. Maybe he's not the leader. He'll still make some plays. But, like, in Indy, you know, Daniel Jones is the guy that we run out of town in New York. He's not good enough to play there. And so he lands in Indy, and he's. He's surrounded by a good cast, obviously, schematically had some good answers. He made some great checks. Line of scrimmage, by the way. I mean, he was. He was really on it. It was funny because he looked like Peyton, you know, because you get in the same uniform, you're in that building, you start to say, well, he's got the same mannerisms. It's really unique. So I'm going to study and follow Indy the rest of the year. But Miami was kind of disappointing. But they'll bounce back. They'll be okay, too. It didn't play as bad as people thought he did. They have some schematic issues. Like, they, they were, they were bringing extra pressures off the edges. They really hit him with some, some timely blitzes that I wasn't fortunate for Miami. That was, that was unique. You know, I think that when you look around, like, the quarterbacks that moved into different scenarios, like, you talk about Russ, like, Russ was on a playoff team last year. He lands in New York and now, oh, he can't play anymore. Well, you know, Daniel Jones left New York and now he all of a sudden can play. So it's like, are we talking about the scenario? Are we talking about the, you know, the surrounding components, or are we talking about specific players? I think that's, that's going to be the fun part as we go forward is like, these guys are in good situations, they're going to play well. These guys are in bad situations, they're not going to play well. Like, is Jackson Dart going in, in New York? Like, I don't necessarily think Jackson Dart is going to solve your problems that you have in New York, so it'll be fun to watch it.
Dan Patrick
He's David Carr, NFL Network analyst. You can see him on NFL game day final this Sunday at 11:30am Eastern on NFL Network. When Peyton changed the game, calling plays at the line of scrimmage, was there pressure on other quarterbacks and offensive coordinators? Like, we have to do the same thing.
David Carr
We tried to mimic it. Like, there was even a scenario. We played the Rams. So I, I, I, I feel like I'm responsible for the birth of Ryan Fitzpatrick and, and the Fitz Magic, because. So we're playing the Rams at home in Houston. My offensive coordinator decides, hey, we're going to let you go to the line of scrimmage and call your own place. I'm like, fantastic, that's great. We're gonna get one formation. So we played fast. I mean, I, I didn't have a ton of them. I mean, Peyton has, I mean, it's endless. His catalog that he can get to. I had, like, seven plays, right? So we ran our seven plays. We get up, we get up 21. We're up. Like, we're winning. And then we get to the halftime. And the. The offensive coordinator comes in and he says, hey, that was great, you know, but what we're going to do now is we're going to establish the run. So he takes the play sheet from me. So he. Now he goes into his. We're going to. We're going to hang on to the ball. We're going to keep it away from. Here comes the points, right? Ryan Fitzpatrick blasts his way, all the way back. They end up beating us on the last play of the game because we just got. It got taken away. But it was so fun. It was so freeing. Like, as a quarterback, I just. I loved having that ability and that freedom, and you end up taking the ownership. It's like if you're teaching. If you're teaching someone something, like, you just automatically you learn it better yourself. And I think that that's the fun part about that. And that's kind of what I miss, honestly, about the current quarterback state is there's not a lot of those guys doing that anymore. There are some. And, like, that's why I got so excited about Daniel Jones, because he's up there making checks, moving guys around. He has that ability. He has some. Dak was doing that the other day. They didn't win, but Dax got full ownership of that. I was in Oxnard watching them practice. He's going to play better this year. See, he's going to catch the ball. Obviously, he might actually turn out to be a good receiver, but there's those types of players. I still think you have to be able to do that because you look at Josh Allen, you look as great as Josh is. Love Josh Lamar. At some point, like, why haven't they been able to get over the hump? It's because of that. It's because of that ownership at the line of scrimmage in those crucial situations. That's why Pat Mahomes is still the guy. Like, you can say what you want about him, maybe put him down the list four or five, but when it comes down to it, his notes are meticulous. He's got a great play caller. They know the answers to the test. They know the problems that you're going to bring them, and they have answers for him. And I think that there's still that element that you have to have that component. Like, and Brady. If Brady was here, he'd be telling you, like, that's all that matters. I still think that there's a physicality about it. Like, you see, you know, Lamar's back there running down John Hussey. Where now the referee's in a full sprint trying to get away from him. Lamar ends up making 30 yards. There's the element of that, that you have to have to play quarterback in this league still, but you have to be able to win and diagnose problems from the pocket and solve them.
Dan Patrick
That's why when we get quarterback rankings, I say, well that's regular season because if we, if we have post season rankings, the rankings are completely different. You have Mahomes and Jalen Horse, right?
David Carr
That's right. I couldn't agree more. Exactly right. They're one, two and, and that's exactly for that reason that we laid out and we, and we're like, well, what's the difference? That is the difference. Because you get guys like Steve Spagnolo, you get these defensive coordinators that know your protection scheme better than you, honestly. And I've talked to some of these quarterbacks and I love them. They'll go nameless. They don't know their protection schemes as well as some of these defensive coordinators that are facing them. They know how to bring the four week, I mean that's the reason that Jared Goff is no longer in L A because that four week pressure that they didn't have an answer for. They had to find a guy that could kind of COVID that up. And it was Matt Stafford.
Dan Patrick
So there's, there's Stafford doing differently than golf. Didn't recognize it.
David Carr
Well, he, they didn't really, they didn't really ask him to in some systems. And this is what happened in Miami the other day. So two is getting hit by these four week pressures, these extra safety defenders that they are unaccounted for. And so in those systems you use, you know, tight formations, use shifts, motions, the speed of Tyree Kill on that little quick motion that work everyone's calling illegal. Like you use that stuff to kind of COVID that stuff up. But when it comes down to it, those good coordinators are going to time it up right where they know like Vic Fangio knows I was with him in Houston. He believes that he can guess the offenses play based on the personnel group in the down distance. And he's right a lot of times. So they win the super bowl because those guys understand how to attack, structure how to attack quarterbacks. And it's just it, you got to have that, you got to have that ability to pick that up. And Stafford, what Stafford does honestly is he's just so good at, at defeating, at buying time. They used to tell us in the quarterback Room, you bring that extra pressure. Hey, guys buy time. Like, hey, hold on, I don't have time to buy. With what. What credit am I using to buy this time? I don't have it, man. I'm not that guy. So. But Stafford can just kind of make it physically, so he kind of covers up for a lot of that stuff.
Dan Patrick
We hear a lot of this when, you know, these guys come out of college, that in college you can have four seconds and you could get out of trouble and you could hold on to the ball and you could try to be a hero. You can't do that in the NFL. But I'm curious about teaching getting the ball out, teaching stepping up in the pocket as opposed to rolling out away from pressure. Yeah. Is it teachable to get the ball out as quickly as possible to stay in the pocket? All those things that you're taught you have.
David Carr
So what happens is in. I've been in there, unfortunately, when it's falling apart and guys are falling, you're getting pressure and it's just like. Well, the only, the only positive play we had when I was in Houston at times was me scrambling to the right and finding Corey Bradford after the play had already started. Right. So I would just literally tell, we get in the red zone like, Corey, if I don't throw it to you right away, just find me, work with me on the back end line. And I literally threw like five or six touchdowns my second year just doing that because we couldn't hold up inside. So that's the problem is because it's just human nature. It's default for some of these guys to say, I can just scramble out and I hate it. I did it 100, 100,000 times as a quarterback. But the scramble out to the right, throw away or just trying to find, like, it bothers me so much. I have so much respect for the quarterbacks that can climb and step up in the pocket and trust their guys. So what you have to do is you have to really lock in to your schematics. You have to really trust your offensive coordinators. So you can tell the guys that trust their ocs, that trust their play callers, they climb up in the pocket. I trust that that fifth guy is going to be there or that for that check down is going to be there. The Brock purdy's finding Christian McCaffrey, like Dak even did it the other day, climbing up in the pocket like he just trusts that it's going to. We're going to make it work. Joe Burrow does That a time. Joe Burrow took some shots the other day. I mean, they were, he was getting wrecked, but he, he trusts it. He knows, he knows where his guys are. So it really comes down to really digging into what you're doing, your belief in your play caller and the fact he's going to put you in a good position.
Dan Patrick
Can you put us in the, in that situation where you're stepping up in the pocket and there's chaos around you?
David Carr
There's no, there's no words that can describe it, man. It's just like you have to have such a faith that your, your guys are going to win down the field, that your scheme is, is right for the play that you have. And that's why veteran quarterbacks so much want ownership of the offense. And kind of like we were talking about earlier, where I want to, I want to call the play because I know that I know where the answer is and if I get in trouble, I know I can get out of it the most. Like, the thing that bothers you the most is when you, you have a protection but you go to step up and you know you don't have a winner. You know you don't have guys that are going to win, especially on the, based on the coverage that you have. And it's, it's really hard because then, then you go back into those bad habits of like, let me just create, let me just try and make a play. And now you're just out there. You're not, you're not going to consistently win. That's why, like, Brady was always great because he would, he would. And even Manning, they know where they're going before the ball. Like you talk about like he's staring down or zero. Absolutely. He's staring to the exact spot on the field that he's going to throw this football and he's going to do it in less than two seconds. Good luck getting to him. So if you can get to that point in your offense, then you got.
Dan Patrick
To figure it out. But Brady could still play today?
David Carr
Absolutely. Absolutely. He could still play. Peyton can still play if his, I mean, if he could throw it 20 yards, I don't know if his neck would let him. But I mean, yeah, you, it's, you get to a point where if you can just keep the physical ability. That's why it was so interesting talking to Flacco. I went out to Cleveland, saw him like, well, how do you feel? Because that's what quarterbacks want to ask the veteran guys. Like, do you feel like you can go out there and do it physically, because mentally, you know, the more reps you get, there isn't a defense on earth that these guys can invent that you haven't seen and that you don't have an answer for. So it's just keeping that physical ability on par with your mental game.
Dan Patrick
Were you rooting for Caleb Williams to break your sack record?
David Carr
That's tough, man. I don't. Look, I know how bad I felt at that moment, and I didn't want. Because I. I was like, contemplate, do I want to play football anymore? Like, this is kind of hard. I. I've played every sport. Like, I feel like you can figure out eventually. Like, you. You play golf, like you're going to figure it out. Like, you give me enough time, I'll. I'll find a way to win. But it was hard, man, like, because that's something that's so out of your control. So for me, like, when I'm watching him, I kind of didn't want him to. Honestly, like, if I'm being honest, like, I didn't want him to break the record. Cause I don't want anybody to have to go through that because he might not play football anymore. Like, he might not want to do it. It's so hard to go through all the stuff we've talked about, ownership of the offense, leadership, like, being in the right place at the right time, doing all the. All the right things, and then you do everything right. That's what I was. That's what I struggled so much with, is, like, I remember telling my wife one night, I was like, I don't. I don't know physically or mentally what else to do. Like, I just don't. I don't know what else to do. And so when you get to that point, it's. That's a tough. Someone's got to bring you back, you know, because. And it's. It's got to be something outside of yourself. So fortunately for me, I had some great people around me and some good coaches eventually.
Dan Patrick
And.
David Carr
And I got to New York and I found out football was easy. So, I mean, that was. That was my favorite part.
Dan Patrick
76 sacks in one seat. So you're first and third on the.
David Carr
Oh, yeah, don't worry.
Caller
We.
David Carr
Yeah, we went 76, and then we. We kind of skipped a year. Had a good year, had, I think, 50. And then we said, you know, we're going to go back up there. We're. We got to get our numbers up.
Dan Patrick
We're too low you went from 76 and then just back up to 68.
David Carr
Yeah, that's right. That's right. I feel great. New hip. I got brand new hip. Titanium feels great. It's the best joint that I have in my body. Works better than all the other ones. It's fantastic.
Dan Patrick
We got your brother on tomorrow.
David Carr
He's gonna be great, man. He's so fun. He did that pregame show for the Chargers Chiefs the other day.
Dan Patrick
He did great. He did great.
David Carr
He just loves talking football. He loves talking football. So we're. We're actually doing a show, Homegrown Network. We just launched our second show. It's going to be today, and we're just talking about quarterbacks, like, all the stuff that we're talking about. It's so fun to be able to talk about it with him because I've done it my whole life with him, but he's. He's right in it. Like, you talk about, like, the schematics and what these guys are doing and all the different offenses he's had everybody, like, you talk about a team, like, he's had that guy as a coordinator. So he knows the intricacies. I think I do. But then I'll. I even find myself like, hey, what are they actually doing right here? And he'll just literally break it down. So it's been super fun to do that, but, yeah, he'll be a blast to talk to you.
Dan Patrick
Do you joke with your brother about the Tom Brady wanting to be a Raider and then yelling at the Raiders that you're going to keep him over me?
David Carr
Yeah, there's some things that we joke about.
Dan Patrick
Okay.
David Carr
Probably don't need to be on. So you go, feel free, man. Feel free to see what he says. But look, it's so funny because, like, literally the same day that even, like the last couple of days that that stuff has kind of resurfaced, he's on the phone with Mark Davis. Like, so Mark is just. He wants a good team. He wants a good product. He wants someone in the building. Like, that's why Tom's there right now. He wants a guy that can kind of push this football thing forward. He knows he's a smart. He's a smart guy. Like, he understands that he doesn't have all the answers. So, yeah, it's. It's. It's a good time, man.
Dan Patrick
Oh, my God. When, you know, everybody wanted to know what guys he talking about, what team is Brady talking about? And you know, how Brady, you know. Oh, yeah, he just, you know, tough Guy, you're going to keep that bleep, you know?
David Carr
Sure. I mean, I mean, every quarterback feels that way. Like you absolutely. If you don't feel that way, then why, I mean, that's why he's considered one of the greatest quarterbacks ever, if not the greatest, like, because he has that competitive spirit. Like, yeah, I can absolutely come in and do that job, bro. Dan, I feel like I can go out there right now, I absolutely cannot and take half these guys jobs. I cannot do it.
Dan Patrick
Just for the record, you're not better than Flacco.
David Carr
Absolutely not. First of all, the guy's the size of this wall. Like he's 6, 8 and he feels completely healthy. I have a bad hip, so he's. Yeah, he's got.
Dan Patrick
Roethlisberger could probably still play 100%.
David Carr
Like there's. I haven't seen Roethlisberger's shape like recently.
Dan Patrick
But he was always big. I don't know if he was ever.
David Carr
Big and big and big for a while is a different thing, you know, like big and football. Like, I remember talking to Ben. He might hate me for telling the story, but we had the lockout and we ended up playing them in the preseason. And so this was after everyone. No one has been doing anything really. We've been trying. We were in the building and we're trying to go, you know, put workouts together. Ben said, dave, I haven't put on cleats since Christmas and this is August. So I'm like, so Ben's been out for a while. What's he. What's he like right now? I don't know, Dan. I don't know.
Dan Patrick
300.
David Carr
Possibly pushing it. Yeah, possibly pushing it.
Dan Patrick
Yeah. Big dude.
David Carr
I'm concerned.
Dan Patrick
Great, great stories, great appearance. Thanks for joining us.
David Carr
Oh, man. Always enjoy it.
Dan Patrick
That's you buddy. David Carr. He's the former number one pick by the Texans back in 2002, won a Super bowl with the G man. You can see him on NFL game day final this Sunday at 11:30am Eastern on NFL Network. We'll take a break. We will play Fill in the blank right after this. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports.
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Marv Polayes
Measured.
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Dan Patrick
Fair. Seaton no, I'm not. I. I can't acknowledge it. I just have to move on.
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Dan Patrick
Thank you. You're gonna say it was fat. P H A T. Marvin, you took.
Fritzy Seaton
The words out of my mouth.
Dan Patrick
The LA Chargers are blank. Marvin for real.
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Fritzy Seaton
Yeah, you love it.
Dan Patrick
You wear me down.
David Carr
I do.
Dan Patrick
I do. You do. You wear me down.
Marv Polayes
Paul the Chargers are attractive.
Dan Patrick
Seaton a football team. The Indianapolis Colts are blank.
Fritzy Seaton
Seaton back Marvin Better than the Dolphins.
Marv Polayes
Paul lightly threatening Todd Jones in to prove people wrong.
Dan Patrick
Hitting 50 home runs these days is blank.
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Seaton cute.
Marv Polayes
Marvin Legit unquestioned.
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Dan Patrick
College football heavyweight. Scheduling small FCS programs is blank.
Marv Polayes
Paul self defeating.
Fritzy Seaton
Marvin a waste of time.
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Dan Patrick
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Dan Patrick
Okay.
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Dan Patrick
Sorry. We're only allowed to use one word if possible.
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Dan Patrick
Weak. Weak Sauce. The Detroit lines are blank.
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Fritzy Seaton
Marvin under pressure.
Marv Polayes
Oh, gonna be fine.
Dan Patrick
Sorry. Sorry.
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Dan Patrick
Sorry. Gonna be fine. If you say it quickly, it sounds like one word. Gonna be fun. Did you have one Seaton for the Lions? Yeah. They're blank.
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Marv Polayes
Oh, no.
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Dan Patrick
Okay. The 49ers are blank.
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Fritzy Seaton
Injury prone.
Marv Polayes
Paul the Niners are teetering.
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Dan Patrick
Get pretty injury now we got it. Think about it. See?
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Dan Patrick
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Marv Polayes
Paul Haphazard.
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Dan Patrick
Haphazard. Yeah.
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Dan Patrick
Satan, what did you.
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Marv Polayes
Ramshackle.
Dan Patrick
Ramshackle.
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Dan Patrick
It was like they. They did the surgery on your eye and then they go, oh, we got to get a bandage for him. They just slap something on you.
Marv Polayes
It really is. It's like this hard cone. And then they just started putting masking tape on my head.
Dan Patrick
Okay, Marvin. Terrible. Pumpkin related food products are terrible. That's it. We did it. We did fill in the blank.
Marv Polayes
Crushed it.
Dan Patrick
Yeah. Good job. Good job. Shuffles in Phoenix. Hi, Shuffles. What's on your mind today?
Caller
Good morning. And for the love of Kyler Murray, can somebody please gong Todd this morning? Just once. Just gong him one time. That's all I got to say.
Dan Patrick
All right. All right. Shuffles. Backroom guys were shocked that I didn't gong Fritzi earlier, but it doesn't affect him. It doesn't impact him. You know, normally you get gonged on the Gong show, and then you'd, you know, be defeated and sad and emotional. You're not.
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Dan Patrick
The cone of silence. That seems to have an impact on you. David in San Antonio. Hi, David. What's on your mind?
Caller
Hey, Dan, man, I wanted to say what a great interview with David Carr. And if you really listen to David Carr, he brought up Dak like three or four times, and he brought up and highlighted how great Dak has played in game one. So I'm going to go out on the limit. I'm going to say, man, the Cowboys are going to go to the super bowl, man. And so I get free.
Dan Patrick
Thank you, Dave. Yeah, David. David Carr was mentioning Dak a couple of times. Got to see him in practice. And. And you know, these. These quarterbacks, like certain quarterbacks, because maybe they can relate to them. And maybe he sees himself with Dak Prescott, the way he plays. David Carr was a great athlete. He just went to the wrong team. That. That's a classic example of if I put Tom Brady on that Texans team and he gets sacked 76. I mean, imagine you're sacked 76. Times. And what if he sat half of the year? What if he played for the Patriots? It's just different. It's, you know, Jackson Dart got to be in the right situation and, you know, right team, right coordinator, right head, all of those things. Because when it works, it works fabulously. And when it doesn't, that's when we use the word bust. Final hour on the way, Mark Sanchez, Fox NFL Analyst he'll stop by more of your phone calls as well. Fritzi Seaton, Marv Paulie, Yours truly, Dan Patrick Show.
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Hour 2 – Tyreek Hill Trade Speculation, David Carr
Date: September 10, 2025
Podcast: The Dan Patrick Show (iHeartPodcasts / Dan Patrick Podcast Network)
This hour of The Dan Patrick Show dives into NFL storylines with a focus on growing speculation surrounding a potential Tyreek Hill trade, the evaluation of his career trajectory, and broader conversation about leadership, locker room dynamics, and quarterback development. The episode features a substantive interview with former NFL QB and NFL Network analyst David Carr, who provides insider perspective on the nuances of quarterback transitions, offensive systems, and the mental grind of professional football. Listeners are treated to Dan Patrick’s trademark blend of wit, sports insight, and a dose of off-the-rails fun with his on-air crew and callers.
[02:08–07:13]
[07:13–09:42, 15:56–17:58]
[11:10–14:46, 14:50–17:58]
[23:23–40:54]
On Offensive Systems and Coaching Relationships:
On Quarterback Play and Career Survival:
NFL Team Analysis:
Play-Calling Freedom & Peyton Manning’s Legacy:
On Surviving Sacks and Mentality:
Notable Quotes:
Locker Room & Brotherhood:
Tyreek Hill's Future:
On Peyton Manning’s Influence and QB Pressures:
On NFL QB Life:
On Mental Health and NFL Records: