Hour 2 – Vincent Goodwill, Fill in the Blank

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Patrick Show – Hour 2: Vincent Goodwill, Fill in the Blank

Episode Information:

• Title: Hour 2 – Vincent Goodwill, Fill in the Blank
• Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts and Dan Patrick Podcast Network
• Release Date: June 24, 2025

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1. Introduction and Overview

The second hour of The Dan Patrick Show delves deep into current NBA developments, focusing primarily on Kevin Durant's surprising move to the Houston Rockets. Host Dan Patrick engages with Yahoo Sports’ senior NBA writer, Vincent Goodwill Jr. III, to analyze the implications of this significant trade. Additionally, the show features interactive segments like "Fill in the Blank" and listener phone calls, providing a comprehensive and engaging experience for sports enthusiasts.

2. Kevin Durant’s Trade to the Houston Rockets

Timestamp: [26:03] – [29:19]

Dan Patrick opens the discussion by addressing the recent trade of superstar Kevin Durant to the Houston Rockets. He poses the critical question: "Is Kevin Durant’s move to the Rockets his last stop or just his next stop?" Vincent Goodwill provides an in-depth analysis, highlighting the Rockets' young talent and coaching pedigree as attractive factors for Durant.

• Vincent Goodwill: "The Rockets have a talented young roster with players like Amen Thompson and Jabari Smith. Adding KD makes them a real threat in the Western Conference next season." [26:20]

However, Durant's age and injury history are significant concerns. Goodwill emphasizes the uncertainty surrounding Durant's longevity and performance, given his Achilles injury and past rehabilitation challenges.

• Vincent Goodwill: "At 36, Durant's max extension would likely be two years. There's no precedent for players maintaining peak performance at this age, especially with his injury history." [28:31]

3. Discussion on NBA Injuries and Player Longevity

Timestamp: [29:19] – [31:36]

The conversation shifts to the broader topic of NBA injuries, particularly Achilles tears. Dan Patrick questions whether the recent surge in such injuries among NBA players is coincidental or indicative of a larger trend.

• Dan Patrick: "We've seen injuries with Durant, Dame, and Tatum. Does this signify something more significant about the current state of the game?" [29:59]

Goodwill responds by attributing the rise in injuries to the intense physical demands on players, extended seasons, and the early specialization in youth sports that leads to overuse injuries.

• Vincent Goodwill: "Players have an incredible number of miles on their bodies before even reaching the NBA. The specialization in basketball from a young age contributes to these injuries." [29:59]

4. Interview with Vincent Goodwill: Implications of Durant’s Move

Timestamp: [31:36] – [37:20]

Dan Patrick and Vincent Goodwill delve deeper into the strategic implications of Durant joining the Rockets. They explore how this move affects team dynamics, salary cap considerations, and the competitive landscape of the Western Conference.

• Vincent Goodwill: "The Rockets adding KD changes the balance of power. Phoenix might not retain players like Thompson or develop them further, whereas Durant could push the Rockets into championship contention." [32:01]

Goodwill also touches upon the Spurs' potential moves, considering their strong foundation and Vinny's budding young talent like Chet Holmgren and Jalen Williams.

• Vincent Goodwill: "The Spurs are always a team to watch. They have a great front office and a solid foundation. It wouldn't surprise me if they make significant moves to stay competitive." [33:12]

5. ESPYs Hosting and Shane Gillis’s Role

Timestamp: [06:53] – [11:00]

The hosts transition to discuss the upcoming ESPYs, highlighting Shane Gillis as the host. They weigh his suitability compared to other potential hosts like Nate Bargatze and Fritz.

• Dan Patrick: "Shane Gillis hosting the ESPYs could be a hit or miss. While he's funny, he doesn't have the live experience that someone like Bill Murray had." [06:53]

Vincent Goodwill: "Shane has a lot of comedic talent, but live events require a different kind of presence. It’ll be interesting to see how he handles it." [09:52]

6. Fill in the Blank Segment

Timestamp: [37:20] – [43:43]

The "Fill in the Blank" segment engages listeners with interactive and fun sports-related prompts. Participants are encouraged to complete phrases related to current sports events and predictions.

• Dan Patrick: "Why is a soap opera Western like Yellowstone so wildly successful?" [37:20]
• Listener Responses:
  • "The American west with Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network." [37:25]
  • "Fill in the blank: Oklahoma City's future is ______." Responses range from "bright" to "promising championship parades" [49:00].

7. Listener Phone Calls and NBA History Discussions

Timestamp: [43:54] – [48:06]

The show features phone calls from listeners discussing historical NBA moments, player comparisons, and their thoughts on current team performances.

• Listener Joe from LA: Questions about Achilles recovery trends in the NBA. [12:47]
• Listener Kenny from LA: Reminisces about the 69-70 Knicks vs. Lakers and Elgin Baylor’s injury. [13:34]
• Listener Zach from Iowa: Shares thoughts on the Thunder's current state and compares it to past NBA teams. [27:00]

8. Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant Comparisons

Timestamp: [53:24] – [55:35]

A passionate debate unfolds over the legacy of Michael Jordan versus Kobe Bryant, with hosts discussing their impacts on the game and their respective eras.

• Dan Patrick: "Is Michael Jordan the first and second-best player of all time? What about Kobe?" [38:33]
• Vincent Goodwill: "There's a significant gap between Jordan and Kobe. Kobe was a complete player, especially defensively, which set him apart." [39:05]

9. Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Timestamp: [43:54] – [57:00]

As the episode wraps up, Dan Patrick and Vincent Goodwill reflect on the discussed topics, emphasizing the ever-evolving nature of the NBA and the unpredictable trajectories of its stars.

• Dan Patrick: "Enjoy your parade, enjoy your title. Let's see if the Rockets can sustain this momentum with KD." [42:19]
• Vincent Goodwill: "The Thunder have a solid foundation with young talent and management that understands the game. It remains to be seen how Durant's addition will play out." [43:43]

Notable Quotes:

• Vincent Goodwill: "The Rockets adding KD changes the balance of power in the Western Conference." [26:20]
• Dan Patrick: "We have to look at these players' injuries as a risk, especially with the season's pace and physical demands." [30:00]
• Vincent Goodwill: "Michael Jordan is so great, he went into the Hall of Fame as two players, himself and Scottie Pippen." [38:59]

Key Takeaways:

• Kevin Durant’s Move: Durant’s trade to the Rockets could significantly impact both teams and the Western Conference’s competitive landscape. His age and injury history pose questions about his future performance.

• NBA Injuries: There is a noticeable trend in Achilles and calf injuries among NBA players, potentially linked to early sports specialization and the intense physical demands of modern basketball.

• ESPYs Hosting: Shane Gillis as the ESPYs host sparks debate about the qualities needed for hosting major live sports events.

• Historical Insights: Listener calls provide rich perspectives on past NBA eras, emphasizing the lasting impact of legendary players and teams.

• Player Legacies: The comparison between Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant highlights the complexities of evaluating basketball greatness across different generations.

Final Thoughts:

This episode of The Dan Patrick Show offers a comprehensive analysis of current NBA events, enriched by expert insights from Vincent Goodwill. The engaging segments and listener interactions make it a must-listen for sports fans eager to stay informed and entertained.

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I, I didn't remember because I saw them in 71, 72 in person. I saw the Lakers when they came into Cincinnati. But yeah, Elgin, Baylor, that was a guy who missed the TV era. You know, there's a few, there's probably five or six that they missed out on that and as a result we kind of history hasn't been kind to them as they should be. Zach and Iowa. Hi Zach. What's on your mind today? Morning. Dan called in a couple weeks ago after, as an Iowa State fan and a Thunder fan, after Tyrese hit the game winner and talks about how bittersweet it was and then again last night to just kind of tail, you know, bookend the series. It's the opposite side of it. Bittersweet for a different thing. And it just in a way counts. I don't want to say ruined the game, but it just, it was hard to enjoy it knowing what just happened. And I wonder if there's, you know, some other series in NBA history that kind of remind me of that. The one that comes to mind for me is the Raptors. When they won this because it, with the injury, it was hard to enjoy. The other side of it, though, you know, forward looking and trying to enjoy it is you don't want to assume that you have this long window and these long runs to win multiple titles. But I do have hope that the Thunder have almost a Spurs era to them in the fact that you have these young guys, a front office that gets it and guys that seem to understand what is in front of them. And I'm hoping that, you know, in this new era of sports, they're able to hang on and understand that a little bit of sacrifice here and there can be so worth it for the legacy of their careers. Yeah, but I don't know if they think that way. Thank you, Zach. You get a championship and then you start to think about getting paid or you want to have your own team. I mean, look what happened with Kyrie, with LeBron. And look, I understand where Kyrie's like, dude, I put up 40, I hit the game winning shot. And it's about LeBron delivering a title to Cleveland. And then what happened with Kyrie? He went to Boston. He wanted his own team. Well, he's not a guy who is going to lead a team and he found that out the hard way. But he's probably saying, wait a minute. LeBron comes back as the conquering hero. And I've been here, like, I understand all those things. You know, I don't know if Jalen Williams is going to go. You know what? I don't. I don't want to be Pippin to Jordan. Chad Holgren, he's injury prone. Can you keep him healthy? Can you keep Lou. Is Lou Dort going to play for somebody else? Like, you just never know. I mean, look at Boston. Boston was on the verge. Not anymore. Cleveland may never get back there. Like, you just never know. What San Antonio had is they had personalities who. They understood the spur way. If you. For the lack of a better description, they understood, you want to play for championships, we can play for championships. Tim Duncan almost went to Orlando. 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[Erica]

Because he wants to be. I think that's the easy explanation. To say that is because clearly Amongst the teams that he listed the Rockets were the team that looks to be a Kevin Durant away with the young talent, the coaching, the pedigree from being a real threat in the Western Conference like Amen Thompson is real. And Alperin Shingoon, I don't know how he fits in this iteration with Kevin Durant, but he's a talented player. Jabari Smith, like, they have so many young pieces and still so many young unearthed pieces yet to be explored that you add KD there. If he is a reasonable semblance of what he's been, they're a real threat in the Western Conference next season.

[Mila]

How does Phoenix not get Thompson or Reed shepherd or like, it felt like the Rockets were like, wait a minute, who do you want in this trade? Sure, we'll do that.

[Erica]

That is the art of negotiation, Dan. That is where the player sometimes controls exactly what iteration appears for him because he wants to go to a team that still has enough players. Like, look, Thompson's going to be a non starter. And what works against Phoenix here is that Kevin Durant is 36 years old and the max he can sign for an extension is going to be two years. Dan, we don't have a president for a player who's had a Liz Frank. Remember that. The Liz Frank is what got Bill Walton and Achilles injury, which is what Tyrese Halliburton had and an mcl. People forget he had an MCL his first full year or second full year in Brooklyn. There's no precedent for the longevity of these old guys being able to hang around and play at a championship level. So you do have to find a way to mitigate some of that risk. Like, I know the numbers look great on paper, 50, 40, 90 across the board, but it looks different, Dan, if you go look at Kevin Durant in 2014 when, before his first real injury, when he put up 50 against, okay, against the Golden State warriors, he looks so fluid that athleticism popped off the page. Now he's a guy who's going to be 37 years old. And once again, there's no template for this. We don't have any precedent for this. So we don't know what this is going to look like or what it's supposed to look like.

[Mila]

I'm going to ask you the question that you ask in your column. Is this his last stop or just his next stop?

[Erica]

Well, Dan, it's hard to say because I thought Brooklyn was going to be the last stop. I thought Phoenix was going to be the last stop. So. So I'M not going to box in Kevin Durant. I would just say it feels more likely. I don't know if Kevin Durant wants to be LeBron James playing until he's 42, 43, 55 years old to claim every record or whatever it is for this mythical argument. I think Kevin Durant's going to play as long as his body tells him that he can play and he can play meaningful basketball. You can only judge these guys two years at a time because that's the length of their contracts. These dudes going to their 40s, Dan, they need to be like sitting up somewhere next to you reminiscing about the good times. They don't need to be out there chasing around these 40 year old, these 25 year olds. What's their problem?

[Mila]

The Achilles injuries? Coincidence or something more to it?

[Erica]

Maybe a little bit of both. I think what we cannot quantify, Dan, is the amount of miles that these players have on their bodies well before they get to the NBA. We think of their odometer starting once they get to the league. That's not the case at all. When you're playing AAU basketball, all those games a day, the personal training. And here's the other thing. This is the age of specialization. These guys aren't playing football, baseball, track, all these other things to work different muscles. They're playing one sport and it's starting that and it's starting that mild trajectory really, really early. I don't know how to do that. I do know this. The next time someone has a calf injury late in the season, sit they ass down.

[Mila]

Yes.

[Erica]

Period.

[Mila]

Yes. But we said, I said it last week, I said, you know, you're not careful, you're going to tear your Achilles. And we've seen this with Durant, we've seen this with Dame, we've seen this with Tatum. I, I don't know, it just feels like there's something else. Now granted, Aaron Rodgers wasn't doing anything, just back to pass Dan Marino when he tore his. Just going back to pass. So I. It's not all. These are incredible athletes and they're cutting and you know, all the mileage on their. It's. It's weird, you know, that it can happen to a quarterback just going back to pass.

[Erica]

I mean, here's the thing. Something's always going to be hurting on you as an athlete and usually it's around your calf or it's tendonitis or it's something that you're used to managing. I'm not sure Dan Marino Tore his in what, 93, if I remember correctly, or 94. So he's like 10 years into his career. That's not necessarily common. Dame Lillard, that's an old man injury for him. Isaiah Thomas, that's an old man injury. Dominique Wilkins, old man injury. These other guys, it's not old. Tyrese Halliburton is explosive athlete that's jumping around. But when you have a calf injury, remember Luka Doncic had a calf injury in Dallas that we kind of wondered, okay, is he in good enough shape? And all these other type of things, all these injuries aren't created equal. They aren't birthed by the same things, but they do produce the same risk. And we have to look at them like this is a risk risk. Especially when you're playing 100 games into a season and Dan, the game is moving so fast. That's where you got to be careful.

[Mila]

Talking to Vincent Goodwill. He is a Yahoo Sports senior NBA writer. His latest article has to do with Kevin Durant with the Rockets. I'm curious about the spurs, if they're taken. Dylan Harper. So that backcourt's pretty crowded. So I got the rookie of the year, I got de' Aaron Fox, and it feels like somebody is not going to be long for San Antonio. What are the spurs going to do?

[Erica]

Well, talking to people around the league, the spurs are the team that. They're like, okay, keep an eye on them. Because the spurs like to keep things close to the best. They're not going to go out and telegraph their moves. Remember, we didn't see the de' Aaron Fox trade happening. They were like, we already got. They already got a young guard there and then he added another one. Right. So I wouldn't be surprised, like, there have been instances where I don't know if you remember this, Dan. The Phoenix Suns of 97 had Kevin Johnson, a young Steve Nash and Jason Kidd, and it wound up working out that, you know, KJ was a little bit older, Steve Nash was a little bit unfounded at the time, and you kind of let these things work themselves out. You take the best player available. Like, I don't. I'm not a believer in reaching, but I am a believer in the spurs having number two and number 14. I think they had number two hoping that Kevin Durant would pick them and they would use that as far as draft capital in a trade. But now that they don't, I wonder if they're going to take. I don't. I don't see that being a tenable thing, but Also, this is supposed to be a positionless league. And that what they tell us. I don't believe that, mind you. I don't believe it's a positionless league. I think that's a bunch of bull.

[Mila]

It is amazing, though, when you look back on the Phoenix uns, you had three hall of Fame point guards. I don't think KJ's a Hall of Famer, but he played like a Hall of Famer at times. J Kid and, and Steve Nash. But you're right, nobody knew about Nash. I remember being at a practice facility and watching Nash and I go, you know that. That's the kid from Santa Clara. Like, he's, he's pretty good. And then they said, well, he, he won't play here. He won't start here. And then all of a sudden he goes to Dallas and next thing you know, you know, he's somebody unique. But you didn't worry about salaries back then. Vincent. Now I got Dear and Fox. What's he gonna cost me? Although I get Castle and Harper on, you know, rookie deals. Darren Fox is going to cost me a lot of money. So it feels like he might be the guy jettison here.

[Erica]

Well, you just got him like, that's. I know, just.

[Mila]

But, but I think if, if you knew that you were going to end up with the second pit like I. They wouldn't have made the move probably for him, if they knew they were going to be in this situation. I like him, but if I can get younger and I don't have to spend money. I thought they were going to get Durant. I thought that, that they realized that he can help us. He can take pressure, he can be a bucket and. But, you know, they're, they're not yet where the Rockets are, and the Rockets might be a year away. San Antonio feels like maybe two years away from being. Oh, here they come.

[Erica]

Well, Victor's coming, and I think there's a difference between Victor's coming and the spurs are coming. I think they're on two different, kind of a little bit different timelines.

[Mila]

Will he be the best player in the game in five years?

[Erica]

If not him, who Are you kidding me?

[Mila]

Well, Shay Gilgis is going to be there for a little while, whether you, whether you believe that, but it feels like, you know, by 25, I think I said that he'll be the best player in the sport, Victor.

[Erica]

I mean, why won't he be the best player in the sport two years from now? Why won't he be the best player in the sport next Year, like if. Do you see what he's doing? He's out there with the monks. He looks like Eddie Murphy and the Golden Child. You remember that movie?

[Mila]

Yeah, that was a bad movie. That was, that was a bad, good reference. Bad movie. But yeah, he's with the Tibetan monks there. But yeah, I. Look, I'm a big fan because he should have been defensive player of the year the last two years. But I just wonder, can the team keep up with him? Is that.

[Erica]

Well, he's. Well, he's not going anywhere. And here's the thing.

[Mila]

No, but the talent around him, can they keep up with him as he develops? So Castle, can he shoot better? Is Harper going to be, you know, a true, you know, go to guy? Who else do you have on that team who's going to help you? You know, so that, that would be my only concern with that.

[Erica]

No, I don't disagree with you. I mean I think they have pieces that you can move. The Jeremy Sohans, the Keldon Johnson's, guys like that that you. If you're talking about packaging players and figuring stuff out if you want to press the fast forward button. But until a player goes into his first rookie extension, and if you think about this like the NFL where if you get a quarterback on a rookie contract and you start putting in those veteran pieces around him like Seattle did with Russell Wilson like a decade ago, that's what the NBA is turning into now. Where if you get a guy on the first contract or the first rookie extension, that's when you start building a championship team. That's why you have all these teams sort of positioning themselves to make runs now before guys get really, really expensive. I wouldn't be surprised if the San Antonio spurs put all their chips to the center of the table. But traditionally that's not how they have operated.

[Mila]

Yeah. All right. What's the better version of Michael Jordan? Young Mike or old Mike or veteran or veteran Mike? I'll give you the first five years of the next five years.

[Erica]

Oh, it's that middle five. It is, it is 89 to 93 three Michael Jordan. And I don't think it's particularly close. Like in 89 he was scary, just like the triple doubles and he was going into his body and he took that really not good bull scene to the Eastern Conference finals where he, he took two games off of a Detroit team that didn't lose to anybody else that season, that series. And then the next year you could see he was really coming and really going to show up. And then you went when you run off three in a row. And I know that the bad boys were old and magic carried a bunch of dudes who were magic in the who's who of who in 19 to the NBA Finals. He didn't have a direct equal because of Len bias and because of the calendar. But there was no greater player we've ever seen in this league's history besides Michael Jordan between 1989 and 1993. Now the 1997 Michael Jordan, the adult grown Michael Jordan. That guy put up the best NBA Finals we've ever seen. Legit from game to game, from the flu game to the triple double to the game winner in game one, performance by performance. That's the best NBA Finals we've ever seen as far as game to game effect. That was a 32, 33 year old Michael Jordan. Okay, you can, you can, you can.

[Mila]

Take your pick, okay?

[Erica]

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[Mila]

Is Michael the first and second best player of all time? If I look at what he was in 89 and what he was in 96, 97.

[Erica]

Well, well, I will tell you this, and this is what something someone told me, so it's not original. Michael Jordan is so great. He went into the hall of Fame as two players, himself and Scottie Pippen.

[Mila]

Wow. Wow. That's cold blooded. Wait, I am from Detroit.

[Erica]

Dan, we do, we do, we do call Scotty Sitting Bull around here.

[Mila]

Gilbert arena said that he can't believe that people treat Kobe like he was his sidekick when he was with Shaq in that three peat there. Is that fair to say that he shouldn't have been viewed as Shaq's sidekick?

[Erica]

I think the problem is revisionist history has sort of made people go to the stat sheet and said, Man, Tracy McGrady is a really good player. He could have done what Kobe did. No, he couldn't have. Like Kobe actually carried the Lakers in some of those playoff series. Now 2000, Kobe wasn't fully grown. He was still 21 years old. I think 22 years old, and he was still battling a little bit of inconsistency and finding himself. But by 2001. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. By 2001, he was arguably the best player in the game. Like the way he dominated that San Antonio spurs series in the Western Conference finals where he was taking 40 point games on the road against Tim Duncan and David Robinson and going to the basket and dunking on them. No, no, no. There is as much as there is, Dan, a big gap between Michael Jordan and Kobe. Bryant and I think there is a huge gap between those two players. There's even as greater of a gap between Kobe Bryant and anybody else that you feel like you can put in those spots. Because Shaquille o' Neal needed somebody and he just didn't need a Vince card or Tracy McGrady. Like those guys were great, great players. But Kobe had an appetite and all around complete game, especially defensively, where he would really get after it. I think. You know, it's funny, when he died, it was almost like there was an overarching sort of reach to put him in a certain spot. And now all of a sudden we're going to downplay it. No, no. Can we just bring it a little bit to the middle? I'm not going to say Kobe Bryant's rings didn't count. Like if you're not the number one guy, don't count whatever. Because Magic Johnson played with Kareem Abdul Jabbar. Whose rings were those in 1980, 1982 and 85? Like I don't want to parse that and turn that discussion to something that is not.

[Mila]

I mentioned this and I'll leave you with this with OKC that I know we want to fast track them to being a great team of all time, which they're not. You know, you went to game seven twice. You had to hold off the biggest underdog in the last 25 years according to the odds makers. It took a guy blowing out his Achilles. You hold on, you won't. We might look differently at the this OKC team in three years with what happens. They could be the Toronto Raptors or they might have some sustainability here, which I hope they do and they probably should. But I think we want to have that coronation of this is one of the great teams of all time. Great regular season. Denver took him to seven, Indiana took him to seven. And that's why I would just say enjoy, enjoy your parade, enjoy your title. Don't put him in there with the oh one Lakers or the, you know, 86 Celtics or, you know, they're not there, but that's okay. What do you think?

[Erica]

I think the difference between all of those teams that you mentioned, the some of the Single season greatest teams, 86 Celtics, 87 Lakers, 86, 83, 76ers that only won one championship. 01 Lakers. All those teams have gone through multiple playoff runs. Winning, losing everything else. This is their second playoff run together, Dan. And that's where you can look at it and say, man, do they still have more room to grow that and you don't know in today's NBA, especially with them being in Oklahoma City and we don't know how they're going to handle Jalen Williams coming up for a max, Chet Holmgren coming up for a max and having all those draft picks and figuring out the economics of the game there. But we've had seven different champions in the last seven years. Then we say the same thing about Milwaukee. Oh, they're going to go on a run. Boston, they're going to go on a run. Denver, they got Nikola Jokic, the best player in the game. They're going to go on a run. The game moves faster than ever. Quicker than ever. I'm with you. I think they are one of the best single season teams we've ever seen. It remains to be seen if they have as long of a Runway. What if Dan they are the San Antonio spurs where they never go back to back, but they win championships over a 15 year period where the 99 team looks totally different than the 07 team, looks totally different than the 2014 team. But there's a common denominator and a common thread there. We would still say they are wildly successful, especially in today's NBA.

[Mila]

Well said. Vincent Goodwill, Yahoo Sports senior NBA writer, host of the Good Word podcast on Yahoo. Sports and Sirius XM NBA host. Great to talk to you as always. Thank you, bud.

[Erica]

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Oh, all right. A little Stevie Wonder. Living for the city. Got a little T shirt going on there. I see what you're doing. Thank you, Vincent. All right, we'll take a break. When we come back, we play Fill in the blank. We have an Achilles terror theory and more of your phone calls. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9:00am Eastern, 6:00am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio in the IHOP. Hi, Zoe Saldana.

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