Hour 2 - Wedding Limericks, Chris Webber

Summary

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Title: Hour 2 - Wedding Limericks, Chris Webber
Host: Dan Patrick
Release Date: March 21, 2025
Guest: Chris Webber, Hall of Famer and member of the Michigan Fab Five

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1. Introduction to Hour 2

Dan Patrick kicks off the second hour of the show with enthusiasm, mentioning the absence of regular co-host Paul and introducing Dylan to the chair. He dives into the day's primary topics, setting the stage for a nostalgic yet insightful discussion on college basketball's iconic moments and figures.

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2. Reflecting on Past Episodes and Poll Results

Recap of Hour 1:

• Poll Topic: "Coolest College Basketball Team Ever."
• Results: Michigan's Fab Five leads with 40%, followed by UNLV with 33%, and Georgetown showing disappointing support.

Dan’s Commentary: Dan expresses surprise at Georgetown's low poll performance, highlighting their cultural impact and widespread merchandise popularity during the Fab Five era. He reminisces about the nationwide appeal of Georgetown gear compared to other schools.

Dan Patrick [06:00]: "I'm shocked that people haven't given them more love because that was one of those you're buying gear for a school you didn't go to."

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3. In-Depth Interview with Chris Webber

a. The Black Socks Tradition: Chris Webber shares the origin story of the Michigan Fab Five's signature black socks, stemming from teammate Ray Jackson's initial protest and subsequent camaraderie that led the entire group to adopt the style.

Chris Webber [25:00]: "Ray's frustration and protest turned into brother saying, man, shut up. We love you. We're all going to wear the black socks."

b. Influence of Georgetown and Starter Jackets: Discussions revolve around how Georgetown's partnership with Starter propelled their fashion influence, making their blue and gray Starter jackets a nationwide trend. Webber credits the Fab Five for capitalizing on this trend, enhancing their cultural footprint.

Olivia Carville [07:29]: "Starter is back."

Chris Webber [30:06]: "I really love Georgetown because of how cool they were even before I got to see them on the floor."

c. Fashion Trends: Baggy Shorts: The conversation shifts to the notorious baggy shorts worn during the Fab Five era. Webber explains the group's efforts to modify their uniforms for comfort and style, contrasting with the stricter uniform policies enforced by coaches.

Chris Webber [27:59]: "We were able to trade with upperclassmen who didn't get it yet. And then Coach and Coach Dutcher eventually ordered us some longer shorts."

d. Rivalries and Memorable Games: Webber recounts his fierce rivalry with Duke and Christian Laettner, highlighting the intense matchups that defined that era of college basketball.

Chris Webber [32:27]: "Christian Laettner was the toughest for me to play against because he could dribble, pump fake, and play outside the game."

e. Navigating the NCAA Transfer Portal and NIL Deals: The guest delves into the current landscape of college athletics, discussing the challenges and implications of the transfer portal and Name, Image, Likeness (NIL) agreements. Webber emphasizes the need for players to balance financial opportunities with their commitment to the sport.

Chris Webber [36:13]: "I think some players are looking at mid-season and deciding to transfer for better opportunities, which complicates the dynamics between coaches and players."

f. Financial Literacy and Early Career Spending: Webber candidly shares his experiences with managing newfound wealth, reflecting on both prudent and impulsive financial decisions during his early career.

Chris Webber [40:21]: "I went and bought gators for everyone in my neighborhood. It was pretty stupid, but it was a good time."

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4. Interactive Segments and Listener Engagement

Wedding Limericks: Olivia Carville presents a wedding limerick for a listener named Andrew, blending humor with sports fandom.

Olivia Carville [18:07]:
"So beautiful and purple.
Cut her slack.
But marrying a Vikings fan is whack.
She really starts my motor while she pulls from Minnesota.
I love you so much, but go pack."

Rhyme Time: A playful segment where Todd Fritz and Olivia engage in a limerick game, challenging each other with sports-related rhymes. Examples include:

• Warrior McDonald's dessert: Curry Flurry
• Nugget card game: Joker Poker

Olivia Carville [49:10]: "Warrior McDonald's dessert. Warrior, McDonald's dessert." Dan Patrick [49:24]: "Flurry curry."

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5. Current NCAA Developments and Player Dynamics

Dan and his team discuss the evolving nature of NCAA basketball, touching on:

• Game Scheduling: How geographical locations influence game times, with a focus on Michigan State's late East Coast game slot.
• Player Behavior: The impact of NIL deals on player motivation and commitment, emphasizing the balance between financial incentives and team loyalty.

Dan Patrick [03:35]: "I think that's good for TV and good for the tournament."

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6. Conclusion and Teasers for Upcoming Segments

Dan wraps up the hour by thanking Chris Webber for his insightful contributions and teasing upcoming segments, including interviews with Paul Skeens and additional phone call interactions. He promotes the live edition of the show and encourages listeners to tune in for the final hour.

Dan Patrick [43:39]: "Pirates pitcher Paul Skeens will join us. Steve Lapis, former coach, he's an analyst for March Madness, will join us in the final hour on this meet Friday."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Dan Patrick [06:00]: "I'm shocked that people haven't given them more love because that was one of those you're buying gear for a school you didn't go to."
• Chris Webber [25:00]: "Ray's frustration and protest turned into brother saying, man, shut up. We love you. We're all going to wear the black socks."
• Olivia Carville [07:29]: "Starter is back."
• Chris Webber [30:06]: "I really love Georgetown because of how cool they were even before I got to see them on the floor."
• Dan Patrick [03:35]: "I think that's good for TV and good for the tournament."
• Chris Webber [36:13]: "I think some players are looking at mid-season and deciding to transfer for better opportunities, which complicates the dynamics between coaches and players."

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Final Remarks

Hour 2 of The Dan Patrick Show delivers a rich blend of nostalgic reflections on the Michigan Fab Five era, insightful discussions on the present-state dynamics of college basketball, and engaging interactive segments that entertain and involve the audience. Guest Chris Webber provides firsthand accounts and expert analysis, making the episode both informative and enjoyable for listeners, whether they're long-time fans or newcomers eager to learn more about the legacy and future of college basketball.

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You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. How are your brackets? Yes, you can ask that in public. Nice brackets. It's hour two on the program. Paulie's out today. Dylan's in his chair. It's a meat Friday. We have General Sal's chicken, beef and broccoli, pork fried rice, beef lo mein. Who has it better than we do? No, no. Especially Fritzi. This is a dream menu.

[Olivia Carville]

Bring in the Chinese food. Let's go.

[Dan Patrick]

At the end of this hour, it'll be rhyme time. Do you want to give the audience just a sample so they can look forward to this and, you know, plan their morning accordingly?

[Olivia Carville]

We can totally do that.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. Do you have one?

[Olivia Carville]

Yeah, I do.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Olivia Carville]

How about Raftery foot deformities? Raftery foot deformities. Bill, what does Raftery like to say?

[Dan Patrick]

Onions.

[Olivia Carville]

And what would be a foot deformity? Onions, onions, bunions. That's how the game works after we've put deformities, onions, bunions.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, more to come. There's more of that. More of that radio gold coming up a little bit later on this hour. All right. 877-3-DP Show. Email address dpdanpatrick.com Twitter handle @DP Show. We'll recap some of the action that took place yesterday and last night. Also later on today and tonight, a full slate of basketball. And I said I would be fine if the NCAA selection committee had a sense of humor where you are setting up certain matchups. And I singled out. If Arkansas beat Kansas and St. John's was going to be their next opponent, they had Omaha. They would meet in the next round. So you would have John Calipari and Rick Pitino. No love lost between those two coaches. Well, that's exactly what happened. And I go back to and I. People have criticized that opinion by saying, you know, there's integrity attached to this. There is, or supposed to be, but it's entertainment. This is a TV show. We say it all the time. It's a TV show and you can get these matchups. Why wouldn't you? Now you might say, are they manipulating the seating? Maybe. But you're going to have Arkansas play rick Pitino in St. John's and I think that's good for TV and good for the tournament. Seaton what's poll question for hour two. Let's recap hour one as well.

[Todd Fritz]

Yeah, hour one we had up there coolest college basketball team ever. Right now, Michigan's Fab 5 is about 40% of the vote, followed by 33% with UNLV. That 90s UNLV run fi slam a jama doing respectfully and nobody having much love for Ewing's Georgetown, which is disappointing.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, they were. It was Hoya paranoia, which was a great nickname as well. I'm. I'm shocked that people haven't given them more love because that was one of those you're buying gear for a school you didn't go to. And I just don't remember anybody else doing that before. You would see that all over the country. You would have, you know, guys who would have Georgetown gear on. I don't remember that being the case with unlv, although the Running Rebels were an interesting team. F slam a jama as well. It felt like when it came to merchandise, Georgetown was a ahead of the game with everybody else. The Fab Five, they became, you know, a cultural phenomenon as well. Yes, Eden.

[Todd Fritz]

And it was specifically too, at least for me, like the starter brand, right? Starter jackets. Everybody had a starter jacket. I had a Miami one. I thought it was awesome. A lot of Notre Dame, a ton of Georgetown jackets. It really was. There's something about that specific jacket that really caught on.

[Dan Patrick]

Is the starter jacket still available? Are they still doing this for schools? Marvin.

[Olivia Carville]

So they just re released a bunch of biggie starter jackets. I think Carl Banks, run starter, now the former New York Giants linebacker. And so providence got one, UConn's got one. Seton hall, they just did a whole thing at in New York City, I believe. Okay, so starter is back.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but I just remember Georgetown. That was a. That was cultural. That, that was something that was nationwide. And that's, I think really the test of it is are there kids in other cities, other states who are wearing your gear? Felt like the Raiders were out in front of a lot of people. You know, the Cowboys were, you know, you were getting gear for Christmas, whether no matter where you lived, you're like, no, I want cowboy gear, Steeler gear, Packer gear, niner gear. And then it Felt like Georgetown was the first to capitalize on that. Chris Weber will join us. Coming up a little bit, the hall of Famer and one of the members of the Fab Five. And Paul Skeens, the Pirates pitcher, the National League Rookie of the year, will stop by. Yes. Marvin.

[Olivia Carville]

Oh, no. Chris Weber, first team all in.

[Dan Patrick]

Al, you think so?

[Olivia Carville]

Nike owes him some money. Starter owes him some money.

[Dan Patrick]

Everybody on the Fab Five. True.

[Olivia Carville]

As a collective.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. Yes. Can they get any money back? Can they? I don't know if they're asking for that. It felt like there's a. There's like a window of opportunity for former athletes to ask for money that maybe the school made off of them or a sponsor made off of them. I don't know if the Michigan players have said, you know, that we've had Jalen Rose on and he's talked about how much money they made for Michigan and Nike. And once a piece of that. I wonder what. What that number is. Yeah, Mark.

[Olivia Carville]

They should get a piece of every single pair of black Nike socks that are sold at Nike, because I was wearing church socks to my fifth grade rec league game because they didn't have black socks. Like, black athletic socks.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, but hold on here. Michael Jordan's the reason why the Fab Five gets a lot of credit for wearing baggy shorts. Jordan did that. They also had black shoes. They had black socks. Jordan did that. They. They didn't create this. Jordan did.

[Olivia Carville]

Black socks.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes.

[Olivia Carville]

We may have a disagreement right here.

[Dan Patrick]

Wait. Jordan never wore black socks.

[Olivia Carville]

I think he wore them later. But black socks and black shoes. I think in the Fat Five documentary, Chris Weber and Jaylon was like, they talk about, we want shorts like Michael Jordan, but baggier. So they give Michael Jordan credit on the long shorts.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. Those baggy shorts were terrible. Like, the long ones. They look stupid. Well, they got.

[Todd Fritz]

They got to a point.

[Chris Weber]

The.

[Todd Fritz]

The Fab Five era of baggy shorts was fine. It got to a whole other. Like the Mike Bibby era of basketball where they. The. The shorts went down to your ankles. That was crazy. I don't know why Mike. I think Mike Bibby was in that time frame, but there was a point in time where it was stupid.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. When it went over your knees and they were like capri pants, you know, that was terrible. Yes. Dylan.

[A.J. Jacobs]

There's that, like, iconic picture of the guy on Saint Bonaventure, I think Marquez green, where they're actually touching his shoes almost. They're like, you know, like dickies. Like the oversized Dickies. Shorts. They're literally longer than those.

[Dan Patrick]

It's terrible. It was terrible. You know, I had to wear the short shorts when I was playing. Not like Ewing short shorts, but still I had, you know, we had some short shorts and I didn't mind it because, you know, the ladies probably came out for that. Did they? No, they did not. No. I weighed 148 pounds and I was 6 3. You didn't want to see that. Not that you want to see it now, but you didn't want to see it back there. Nobody wanted to see it back then. All right, so the poll question for hour two is going to be what? Seaton?

[Todd Fritz]

Yeah, we're putting up there right now. You root for upsets all the time. The top teams to make the Final Four or your bracket. Paul sent that one in from the road, as a matter of fact.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Todd Fritz]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

I, I, I don't care about my brackets. I just want to see entertainment. I think that's, you know, the fun part. I just got a response. I, I was curious. We had a caller who said, why is Michigan State playing a late game tonight? Late? On the east coast, seating has nothing to do with game times in their tournament. Game times, which are proposed by CBS and Turner, then approved by the ncaa, depend on the game time site. Western sites typically will start later, the geographic home of the teams playing on each day. So hopefully that helps you understand maybe why Michigan State's going to be playing at 10 o'clock East coast time tonight. Todd already has his limerick. We had somebody who's getting married, I think sometime this afternoon, and we. He wanted to know if he could drop in a reference here. Let's see, he's a. Was he a Packer fan, his wife's a Viking fan, or vice versa. But he is getting married and want to know if Fritzi could help out with that. So Todd is, Todd has left the room.

[Todd Fritz]

Yeah, he's on the phone working out a guest situation.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, okay.

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[Dan Patrick]

Well, he has to be with Paul. Not here today.

[Todd Fritz]

You know, it's possible given how much he's been talking about it, too, and how much work he's put in behind the scenes. That might be about the Chinese food order as well. It might have nothing to do with the guest.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh. Oh, okay. Tonight, Oregon and Arizona, two top Western teams had the final slots in Seattle and the late time finishes. Kentucky and Florida play in the early evening slot. Michigan State and UConn headline the late evening slot. Not always easy to figure. There's a lot of data that goes into it. It's also why game times for the second round are dependent on most or all of the outcomes from the first round. Well, if that helps you behind the scenes with some of this information, I'm sure Tom Izzo does it like this where you're asking your team, you know, you want to stay in a routine, now you're going to play nor, you know, three hours later than what you normally play on the West Coast. I also saw this story about Deion Sanders on the Big 12 media day and he was asked about Shador Sanders and the coach who reportedly a quarterbacks coach who called out his son called him brash and arrogant. And Deion says that he knows who this coach is, but he said, don't make me pull behind the curtain. He says I'm trying to do my best to keep it on the high road, but I don't know the address. Josina Anderson, NFL Insider reported back on March 3 that the negative comments about Dion's son had been made by a QB coach from a team with a top seven draft pick. So that means the Titans, Browns, Giants, Patriots, Jags, Raiders and Jets, they all hold top seven picks. But according to Josina Anderson, the coach made his assessment known to a number of people and the coach seemed to have an issue with the culture of athletes who have broad fame and financial success before coming into the draft. So Deion knows who the coach is and I'm gonna guess we'll make sure that his son doesn't go there. But if the quarterback coach thinks you're brash and arrogant, they're probably not going to take you. And Deion originally responded to reports that he shared quotes from other people here. Matthew Barry of NBC Sports reported that two people on separate teams who had both met with Shador Sanders during the combine said the quarterback came off as unprofessional and disinterested. But then you have somebody else who says Shador Sanders came off as confident and engaging. I just think this comes down to Shador Sanders probably went in to do the interview. I have to do the interview. I'm not interested in the interview. I'm not interested in this team, but I'm going to show up. And maybe that's the fallout from this. But if you don't like him, I'm just surprised that anybody would say anything after the fact that it just felt like, okay, that kid was arrogant and brash and I'm going to let some people know about that instead of just saying, you know, internally, we're not interested in him. Yes.

[Todd Fritz]

Isn't that kind of what this time of year is, though?

[Dan Patrick]

Yes.

[Todd Fritz]

Anonymous sources talking trash about sometimes one specific person, sometimes a bunch.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, I agree. Yeah. It's unfortunate, though, because, I mean, I wish Dion would just call him out. Yeah. If you're going to whisper now Dion's whispering. Why don't you guys just say, you know what, I'll put my name behind it because it feels like you wanted this to inflict some damage on Shador Sanders. And Dion's not taking it. Not going to stand for it. Dave in Ohio. Hi, Dave. What's on your mind today?

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Hey, morning, D.P. happy Friday. And I'm so happy Fritz is back.

[Dan Patrick]

So I could say this.

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[Dan Patrick]

Okay, I just wanted to as a tooth headstock in Buckeye land here, I just want to give props to the Badgers and Greg Guard who lost their two best players to Kansas and Louisville, but got shantajay and along with all those great six year seniors are still playing. Well, congratulations. Wisconsin's a fun team. This is a different kind of Wisconsin team than we're used to seeing. Todd, you have your limerick for the guy who's getting married in a few hours.

[Olivia Carville]

I do. I did put something together.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, well, why don't you, why don't you give it to him so he can put it down in writing for his vows? And this is, this is Todd's limerick for Andrew in Missouri who's getting married in a couple hours and going to use this during his vowels.

[Olivia Carville]

So beautiful and purple. Cut her slack. But marrying a Vikings fan is whack. She really starts my motor while she pulls from Minnesota. I love you so much, but go pack.

[Dan Patrick]

So you rhymed motor with Minnesota.

[Olivia Carville]

Minnesota. She really starts my motor while she pulls from Minnesota. I love you so much, but go pack.

[Dan Patrick]

All right. All right. We'll see if Andrew wants to use that in his wedding vows later on today. We'll take a break. C. Webb, hall of Famer, will join us. We're back after this. And the Dan Patrick show. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our [e-mail] and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Hey, Steve Covino. And I'm Rich Davis. And together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 PAC on Fox Sports Radio. And of course the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Covino and Rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course on social media, that's Covino and Rich.

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[Todd Fritz]

I wanted to get back on track.

[Dan Patrick]

With what callers should be doing and not singing and suggesting nicknames and possible T shirt ideas. Okay, Dylan. Dylan has a very Steven Wright delivery. So maybe we could call him the guy in the back instead of the.

[Todd Fritz]

Guy on the couch and have a little T shirt idea with that.

[Dan Patrick]

And, you know, you walk by, you have a nice three team parlay, and you're like, hey, guy in the back. What do you think of this? Yeah. Okay. I don't know if you want Dylan's gambling advice. I'm just going to put that out there. Zach, he's entertaining when he gives you his gambling advice. Just not very good.

[A.J. Jacobs]

Dylan would love to not have Dylan's gambling.

[Dan Patrick]

Wow. Okay. Yesterday.

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Yesterday was a rough day, Dan.

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I'm sure today's going to be a rough day as well. And I've had friends who say, is Dylan trying to be bad at picking games? I said, no. You do give it great thought.

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[Dan Patrick]

Like, that's a lot of red. He's Chris Weber, hall of famer, five time all star, former number one overall pick by the Magic back in 19 1993. C. Webb joining us, who came up with the idea for the Black Sox with Michigan, do you remember?

[Chris Weber]

I do, I do. Ray Jackson. I had to interview him for my book Shameless Plug, but I. I have forgotten. So we were playing in Texas, we playing against Rice University. And you know, Dan, when you play with your teammates, whenever you have a teammate that's from somewhere, when you go to their home, you want to show up. And so we knew we were going to want to play well for Ray and Jimmy. And Ray, though he wanted to transfer, and Ray had been talking about transferring to me for the whole summer, for the whole year. He felt that he was kind of left out, that he was the scapegoat, the coach. He was kind of tired of coach staying on him for a long time, so he and his friends decided to go to the mall and he bought a few different colored pair of socks and he was going to wear them in protest. But he comes to the room and you know how it is with your friends. He comes to the room. I'm sleepy. Comes back and Juwan is like, what is this? I love it. We're going to wear those black socks. And Jalen's like, oh, let's go to the mall. So Jalen, Jimmy, they ran to the mall, bought me a pair of black socks. And so Ray's. Ray's frustration and protest turned into brother saying, man, shut up. We love you. We're all going to wear the black socks. That's a whole nother story because we get in trouble for wearing the black socks, for not including the rest of our teammates. So we have the black socks on. We're excited. We have our sweatpants on. We usually don't warm up with our sweatpants in warm ups, you know, usually take them off in your shorts. We kept them on. And we all get in the starter circle, and Coach is looking like, what the hell? You know, because it was pretty obvious then. And then after the game, Coach was, fine, we win it. But after the game, he called me to the side and said, come on, man. You know, I was. I'm the oldest of five kids. And he was like, would you do that with, you know, family members? He's like, no, we don't do that here. Everybody has to wear black socks. So he didn't understand how excited we were that really what he was telling us is, yeah, y'all can wear them, but everyone can wear them. But Ray Jackson was the. Ray Jackson was the start of that. He picked those socks.

[Dan Patrick]

What about the baggy shorts? I know Jordan wore baggy shorts, but you guys went baggier.

[Chris Weber]

Yeah, you know, it was Illinois, and UNLV had really nice shorts. Syracuse, you know, all the guys like Derrick Coleman or Anderson Hunt, they would bring us their shorts in the summer and give us a pair of shorts. That was like gifting the guy a car to wear some official, you know, shorts. Back then, there was no fanatics, and, you know, you could just get them, things like that. And so really what. It was a funny story. The day we get to get our uniforms, we're all super excited. You know, that's a moment when you get to look at your uniform, put it on. But thanks to Chip Armor and Eric Riley and all of the old heads, because they wanted just regular shorts. And we were searching for that extra 2 inches in the crotch, in the seam. And so we were able to trade with upperclassmen who didn't get it yet. And then Coach, eventually he and Coach Dutcher of San Diego State, now he and Coach Dutcher eventually ordered Us some. Some longer shorts. So we. We were just complaining the whole time about, you know, our shorts. You know the term. Then we didn't want Stocktons and we didn't want to catch a yeast infection at practice from a teammate with too tight draws on. So, you know, coach, he was cool. We had some tough practices for it. That's how we got to earn black socks and everything. You have to have tough practices. But we earned it and all was well.

[Dan Patrick]

We were talking about the great nickname. So you had Fab 5 Phi slam a jamming was great. Hoya Paranoia. Don't know if there's Running Rebels. Don't know if they're any other team nickname that kind of belongs in that group.

[Chris Weber]

Man, that's good. I wish I had time to think about that one because that's gonna be on my mind. I really loved the Running Rebels. I mean, to me it said it all. Even their moniker with kind of the Yosemite Sam type character. You know how many I think them in Oklahoma get to got to carry a gun around in at those times. But yeah, I don't. You know, I've always said the greatest personal nickname to me is the Great One. And then you can go from there. But for the teams. Yeah, I think it'd have to be maybe Running Rebels back there.

[Dan Patrick]

Were you aware of Georgetown with Ewing?

[Chris Weber]

Are you serious? Yes. Pack of all, man. I'm with you. I'm a big sports fan, so. Yeah. And you gotta remember this. What was really smart and in talking to Sonny Vaccaro for my book, he was a really good guy, but they snuck into our minds early. So when you talk about Georgetown. Yes. Do I love John Thompson? Yes. Do I love Zo and all the big fellas that had Ewing and Matumbo? Yes. But we're really starting. My love for them was the blue and gray Nikes. It was the blue and gray starter jacket. And I don't think then really people remember what an influence starter had in. In our kind of in our life because you kind of got to be a pro before you were a pro and wear what you wanted to wear. And so, yeah, for me, it was a. It was a really good time of fashion and the world you want. But it all started with what you could wear on the street. And that's why I really love Georgetown because of how cool they were even before I got to see them on the floor.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. What I was meaning is growing up, you know, because Ewing and, you know, Hoya paranoia was in the 80s and I was Just curious if you were old enough to get gear, if you wanted to get gear from Georgetown or there was some other school, because I think you looked at Duke, didn't you? If you didn't go to Michigan, it was either Michigan State or Duke.

[Chris Weber]

Yes, yes. And so Patrick, you and is a little older than me, and I didn't get Georgetown gear, but I. You would always see all the cool guys in the neighborhood wearing it. I remember his interview with my father, you know, telling me where Patrick Beaumont was from. And I remember my mother telling me how smart you had to be to go to Georgetown. So I really remember those conversations, more so than watching Pat play. But Coach Carrillo, rest in peace, who is a close, close mentor of mine. When I got in the pros, I heard so many great stories about that Princeton, Georgetown game, but those were much later. So, no, I didn't really get to see that because I was going to Duke. I was going to Michigan State to be like Steve Smith going to Duke to play with Grant Hill or, you know, Lucky. Luckily went to Michigan to play with Juwan Jalen.

[Dan Patrick]

Toughest guy you ever faced in college.

[Chris Weber]

Christian Laitner is the best. One of the best college players of all time. I think of great college players. I think of Kareem Walton. Of course, there are a lot of others that are mixed in, that have one or two great years, but it was. It was by far, by far Christian Laitner, for me, because. Sorry, Christian Laettner and Big Dog Robinson, because those two, Glenn Robinson, those two were the first big guys that could put it on the floor, that could dribble, that could pump fake, that could get you in foul trouble, that played outside the game. You know, when you look at the evolution of the game, we grew up when big guys weren't supposed to handle it. And so Laetner being able to shoot threes, Laetner being able to just do all the stuff that he did from a freshman all the way to a senior, I would definitely say in my time, I think he was the toughest for me to play for, play against.

[Dan Patrick]

Do you ever have a conversation with him about that rivalry and games you guys played against each other?

[Chris Weber]

No, no, no. But it's. It's. It's overdue. It's. It's long overdue. We should have a beer over, because I, I think I've told you this before. My best. One of my best college visits, if I had, you know, eight or nine of them, was definitely at Duke and, and my host, so I was very familiar with him when we played. That's why we talked so much junk to each other. And, you know, he knew my admiration, but the more admiration I have for you, the more I'm gonna try to kill you anyway. And I think that's the same with him. But, no, we haven't talked about it, but, you know, it'd be fun, fun, fun to talk about.

[Dan Patrick]

It would be. It'd be a fun podcast where it's just you two talking about that time because you had Duke, the establishment, you guys, you know, freshmen, and going toe to toe with them. You probably had people who liked you because they hate. Hated Duke so much.

[Chris Weber]

They did. And also I had people that were mad at me because I didn't hate Duke. I mean, I hated him because I wanted to beat him, but all of the other talk and this that I didn't get into because I hated him enough just from basketball, and I went to visit there, and I wanted to be part of, you know, of that team. But, you know, Coach K is such a special guy. And, you know, when I think about. And again, keep saying in the book, by God's grace, when I think about Coach K coming to my house and recruiting me, he was in enemy territory, actually. My friends were screaming, 103, 73. 103, 73. That was the score that they lost against UNLV. And people outside chanting this while he's walking in my house, and all he does is turn around on the portion of Justice Ring, and everybody's like, so when I saw Coach K's toughness, you know, in the hood and how he was, you know, respectful of Ferris and all that, he's always been one of my favorite coaches in the game as well.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, wait a minute. Your boys are outside, Coach K is walking into your house, and they're mocking him of getting blown out by 30 by UNLV.

[Chris Weber]

Yeah. Dan, I actually got to send this to you because I interviewed my guys on the porch that he walked in, and they were saying it because my father was like, don't tell anybody. You know, Coach K is coming. And so the whole neighborhood knew. And so he gets out the car, and they are just booing. But when he walked back out, people were like, yeah, Coach, you know, you know, good job. So he earned our respect. But, yeah, Coach. Coach K was tough. It's not just. It's not just an act. You know, he's a. He's a good guy and tough at heart, and so he's always had my respect. He and his all remind me a Lot of each other, too. And I consider coaches or a very close friend.

[Dan Patrick]

Chris Weber, the Hall of Famer, member of the Fab Five, more concerned about transfer portal or nil in the future for the sport.

[Chris Weber]

Can you separate them? Can there be one without the other? You know, I'm, you know, I'm very happy that, you know, anytime you're in the beginning of any new system is going to be terrible. You're going to have to figure it out. So I can't wait until the playing field levels and we figure it out. But I think coaches are getting a taste of their medicine. You want to leave your guys and coach and leave. Well, some guys are going to leave you mentally late in the season when you decide that. But also I hope that players start to understand that the same love and passion should be there. But even more than ever, you made a commitment now. And I've talked to a lot of young players and I don't know, I talked to a lot of young players and we are working through understanding that you're getting paid for this commitment now. So you have no excuse, but you still need to come with the same energy and innocence of passion that you would have played with. And how do you figure that out? And I think some guys are figuring out. I also think some players are look at mid season saying, well, I could, I'm averaging 8, I can go average 10 here next year in a crazy, unsubstantiated situation. And then they go into the transfer portal and no one picks them up. So, you know, it's a, it's a, it's a difficult time right now. And I think everyone from coaches, players are all kind of getting used to seeing, like, how is this gonna. Gonna level out? But that needs to be more discussion and, and hopefully more leveling of the playing field so everyone can get comfortable.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I'm wondering about that, that if you get money when you're in college, does that help you when you go to the pros and get money? Because a lot of times you go into the pros and you go crazy because you haven't had this kind of money and you buy stupid things. Did you do that?

[Chris Weber]

Yeah, every. Every. Every. Everybody. Everybody. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Everybody's done that. And I thought it was sports until I talked to a lot of my friends in VC and others and, and I found out it's all people that do that. But I definitely, you know, was one of those guys. But. But you're gonna do that, I think, too, with guys. Let's take A guy like the big fella from Kansas, Bigson. He was. He was at Michigan, and it was. He's a really good guy, and he plays with passion. He's so hard. He wanted to stay at Michigan, and he's going, I'm not playing pro now. I think he's a pro, so I'm not having that conversation. He's a pro, he's a pro, he's a pro. But that was the conversation then. And the conversation asked to me, who was someone that never been in that position, what would you do? You know, because my thing was, you can stay here for legacy. You being in Michigan four years and having records and numbers. Do you. You know what that's like when you get older to be able. Come back to Michigan and say that you were part of it? This is a wonderful university. And I think that. I think that that factor has been taken out of the decision making because guys are saying, you know what? I might not make the pros. I might not have the luxury of getting a paycheck and buying something stupid. I need to make as much as I can now and prepare for a professional career overseas or in coaching. So I. I think guys are battling with a lot of different decisions that. That really are. They're struggling with, that they don't want to have. I was talking with Deion Sanders for a show I'm doing, and he was telling me that the parents were more of a problem with the Portal and with Nil than the students, because the students haven't lived life enough to kind of be that greedy yet or to just not put team first. And so again, I think it's a lot of different situations. You know, guys are getting taxed off the Nil and didn't know they were getting taxed and parents were used. So it's. It's just so much going on that. That hopefully, again, the dust just settles.

[Dan Patrick]

What's the craziest thing that you spent money on early?

[Chris Weber]

I mean, you know, I was smart in the beginning because I wanted to get my parents everything, so. And I had a big family. But for me, I mean, you know, the day, you know, I got drafted, it was. I have a chapter in my book called Gators for Everybody. So gators, you know, are a shoe. Now I look at this. So damn stupid, but gators are a shoe. And back then it was big block gators. And, you know, from guys in the hood, the preachers to anybody had gators. And so what did I do? I went and bought gators for everyone in My neighborhood. I mean, even if they didn't have a soup, hey, why don't you have some gators and take this. Or, you know, oh, man. I took friends to restaurants, you know, that we had never been to. So a guy lived across the street from Ibuki. Rest in peace. Just stupid stuff. You go to restaurants, you pour concoction of hot sauce, and you say, the guy here, I gave you $5,000 if you eat it. And you're happy because you were gonna give him something anyway. But, you know, your friends, you have to bust them up. And so, you know, I've done a lot more worse things, I'm sure, in other areas of life, but I remember when I first got it was that, oh, one of the most fun things I did, the pride was stupid. I went to a music place. I had a truck, a white Suburban, when it first came out, and I asked him to give me the loudest sounds in the world. And the guy laughed. And I immediately walked out, went down the street and asked the guy for the loudest sounds in the world. He was like, I could do that. And so I took out every seat Besides the front two seats. I had 16, 12, 14, eight. Something crazy. And I used to just love driving down the street, making alarms go off or breaking my window in the back. And so I think that's pretty stupid to, you know, put, you know, $50,000, $40,000 worth of sounds in your truck that only one person can fit in. You can't even put your luggage in. But it was a good time. It was a good time.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but here's your dad who worked factory for all of those years. Did he ever say, what are you doing?

[Chris Weber]

Yeah, you know. Yeah, yeah. But story time. I can keep going. I know it's your show. I want to keep going.

[Dan Patrick]

But I know you bought him a Cadillac, right?

[Chris Weber]

But that was the best thing. I told him Magic was coming to the house, and I went to the. And he loves magic. I went to the car dealership in Cadillac and people started cheering when I went in because they knew my father had worked for GM for, you know, many, many years. And I bought him a Cadillac. I had to cut the grass meticulously now. And you never got to play football on the grass or anything. I drive the car on the grass. My father comes out at six in the. About seven in the morning. And that was one of the most special moments of my life. Getting yelled at while throwing the keys to my father while he's driving off, telling me to make sure I take care of the grass. Is was a pretty cool moment.

[Dan Patrick]

Always great. Thank you for storytelling time. Chris, we appreciate your time as always.

[Chris Weber]

Thanks Dan. Appreciate you.

[Dan Patrick]

He is Chris Weber. He is a Hall of Famer and number one overall pick by the Magic back in 1993. A lot of fun. Always appreciate conversations with him. All right, we'll take a break. More of your phone calls coming up. Back after this. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app Love at First Swipe.

[Colleen Witt]

I highly doubt it. What's your biggest red flag? No, no, no. What's your ultimate green flag? These days, reality TV and social media have us thinking love is instant. We're marrying strangers at first sight, we're finding love through walls, or we're even judging people by balloon pops. But what really makes a relationship last? On this episode of Dope Labs, poet, author and relationship expert Young Pueblo breaks down the psychology and biology of loving better and he provides eye opening insights and advice that we all need.

[Dan Patrick]

Need.

[Olivia Carville]

It's a big realization moment that you should not be postponing your happiness. Like your greatest happiness is not necessarily going to like come from a relationship. Your partner. They should add to your happiness, but your happiness is really coming from within you.

[Colleen Witt]

Listen to Dope labs on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

[A.J. Jacobs]

Ever wonder what it would be like to be mentored by today's top business leaders? My podcast this is Working can help with that. Here's advice from Google CMO Lorraine Twohill on how to treat AI like a partner.

[Todd Fritz]

I see AI as an incredible copilot. You may use different tools or toys to get the work done, but ultimately.

[Dan Patrick]

As editor, as creator, as maker, you own it.

[Todd Fritz]

And it's needs to be good.

[Dan Patrick]

AI is just the latest flavor of that.

[Talkspace Ad]

You're still the judge of what good looks like.

[A.J. Jacobs]

I'm Dan Roth, LinkedIn's editor in chief. On my podcast this Is Working, leaders like Indra Nooyi, Ray Dalio and Rich Paul share strategies for success and the real lessons that have shaped them. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Margie Murphy]

In 2020, a group of young women in a tidy suburb of New York City found themselves in an AI fueled nightmare.

[Dan Patrick]

Someone was posting photos.

[Chris Weber]

It was just me naked. Well, not me, but me with someone else's body parts on my body. Parts that looked exactly like my own.

[Margie Murphy]

I wanted to Throw up. I wanted to scream. It happened in Levittown, New York. But reporting the series took us through the darkest corners of the Internet and to the front lines of a global battle against deepfake pornography.

[Colleen Witt]

This should be illegal, but what is this?

[Margie Murphy]

This is a story about technology that's moving faster than the law and about vigilantes trying to stem the tide. I'm Margie Murphy. And I'm Olivia Carville. This is Levittown, a new podcast from iHeart podcasts Bloomberg and Kaleidoscope. Listen to Levittown on Bloomberg's big tape podcast. Find it on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dan Patrick]

Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia. I'm excited to introduce a brand new season of my podcast, Math and Stories from the Frontiers of Marketing. I'm having conversations with some interesting folks across a wide range of industries to hear how they reach the top of their fields and the lessons they learned along the way that everyone can use. I'll be joined by innovative leaders like chairman and CEO of Health Beauty, Tarang Amin.

[Chris Weber]

The way I approach risk is constantly.

[Dan Patrick]

Try things and actually make it okay to fail. I'm sitting down with legendary singer, songwriter and philanthropist Jewel.

[Talkspace Ad]

I wanted a way to do something that I loved for the rest of my life.

[Dan Patrick]

We're also hearing how leaders brought their businesses out of unprecedented times, like Stephane Bonsell C, CEO of Moderna. It becomes a human decision to decide to throw by the window your business strategy and to do what you think.

[Chris Weber]

Is the right thing for the world.

[Dan Patrick]

Join me as we uncover innovations in data and analytics, the math, and the ever important creative spark, the magic. Listen to math and magic stories from the frontiers of Marketing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Something about Mary Poppins.

[A.J. Jacobs]

Something about Mary Poppins. Exactly.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, man, this is fun.

[A.J. Jacobs]

I'm AJ Jacobs and I am an author and a journalist and I tend to get obsessed with stuff. And my current obsession is puzzles. And that has given birth to my podcast, the Puzzler. Dressing. Dressing.

[Olivia Carville]

French dressing.

[A.J. Jacobs]

Exactly.

[Chris Weber]

That's good.

[A.J. Jacobs]

Now you can get your daily puzzle nuggets delivered straight to your ears.

[Dan Patrick]

I thought to myself, I bet I.

[Colleen Witt]

Know what this is. And now I definitely know what this is.

[A.J. Jacobs]

This is so weird. This is fun.

[Dan Patrick]

Let's try this one.

[A.J. Jacobs]

Our brand new season features special guests like Chuck Bryant, Mayim Bialik, Julie Bowen, Sam Sanders, Joseph Gordon Levitt, and lots more. Listen to the Puzzler every day on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Chris Weber]

That's awful.

[Olivia Carville]

And I should have seen it coming.

[Dan Patrick]

Paulie out today. Dylan is in his chair. Fritz, he's back. Oh, do we have rhyme time coming up here, Todd?

[Olivia Carville]

We do.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, once again, give the audience a sample of what's in store for rhyme time.

[Olivia Carville]

So I'm going to give out two words and then the two clues, basically, and the two answers rhyme with one another. An example would be breen, sharp tooth. Breen, sharp tooth.

[Todd Fritz]

Bang.

[Olivia Carville]

Fang, bang, bang. That's how it works. This is a good time.

[Dan Patrick]

Alrighty, here we go. It's rhyme time with the king of comedy, Todd Fritz.

[Olivia Carville]

Warrior McDonald's dessert. Warrior, McDonald's dessert.

[Dan Patrick]

Flurry curry.

[Olivia Carville]

That'll be curry Flurry.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes.

[Olivia Carville]

Very nice.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, thank you.

[Olivia Carville]

Nugget card game. Nugget card game.

[Dan Patrick]

Joker, poker.

[Olivia Carville]

Joker, poker. Look at you.

[Todd Fritz]

Oh, my God.

[Dan Patrick]

You know, it's scary if I'm on your wavelength. So hopefully I don't get any more of these. Okay.

[Olivia Carville]

Mvp, late night host. Mvp, late night host.

[Dan Patrick]

SGA judges, we're looking for Alan Fallon.

[Olivia Carville]

As in Josh Allen. Mvp, Alan Fallon.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, oh, okay.

[Olivia Carville]

Mvp, late night host. Could be any spoiler.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, okay.

[Olivia Carville]

How about Laker criminals? Laker criminals. Current Laker. And another word for criminals.

[A.J. Jacobs]

Don Chick. Convict.

[Olivia Carville]

The judges were looking for Reeves thieves. Reeves.

[Dan Patrick]

The Reeves.

[Olivia Carville]

Reeves thieves Would be Laker criminals. Third degree hitman. Third degree hitman. Burns Hearns. Burns Hearns. How about Apollo ranking? Apollo ranking.

[Dan Patrick]

Creed seed.

[Olivia Carville]

Creed seed. Bronco repair. Bronco repair. Nick's fix. I'll be a Knicks fix. Would be a bronco repair. Exactly.

[Todd Fritz]

Oh, my God.

[Olivia Carville]

Players champ, Seven chips. Players champ. Seven chips or rings. The players champ and seven rings.

[Dan Patrick]

Rory Ori.

[Olivia Carville]

Rory Ori.

[Dan Patrick]

Good job, Dylan. Let's go, Dylan. Noir.

[Olivia Carville]

Johnny's noir. Johnny's film noir. Johnny's. We were looking for pinot. Pacino noir.

[Dan Patrick]

Johnny's film noir. Noir.

[Olivia Carville]

Like pinot noir.

[Dan Patrick]

All right. Okay.

[Olivia Carville]

How about about damn time, Spartan? About damn time, Spartan. Lizzo is. Oh, ISO.

[Dan Patrick]

There you go.

[Olivia Carville]

Old school game console, Arkansas. Old school game card console, Arkansas.

[Todd Fritz]

Atari Calibrate.

[Olivia Carville]

Atari Calipari.

[Dan Patrick]

I love it.

[Olivia Carville]

Crab 5. Heartburn. Crab 5. Heartburn. Heartburn. That would be terps and burps. Crab 5 and heartburn. The terps are called the Crab 5.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, Kikley.

[Olivia Carville]

Tracy Morgan was a little mean.

[Dan Patrick]

Luke Puke.

[Todd Fritz]

That picture was tough.

[Dan Patrick]

He said it was food poisoning.

[Olivia Carville]

Yeah. Projectile.

[Dan Patrick]

His nose was bleeding.

[Todd Fritz]

The best part of that. There's a picture of him if we haven't seen it of him courtside, mid vomit. The best part of that is looking at all of the people around him. There's 150 people around him. Most of them have no idea. But the people who do are horrified.

[A.J. Jacobs]

The announcers are right there and none of them are looking at the game. They're just all looking to their left.

[Olivia Carville]

One more mean spirited one we have. I have a couple. Enemies, Anthony Davis. Enemies, Anthony Davis. Another word for enemies would be friend or.

[Chris Weber]

Foe. Foes.

[Olivia Carville]

Enemies would be foes. So what would Anthony Davis be? He was called something that's not very nice.

[Dan Patrick]

Street clothes.

[Olivia Carville]

Street clothes would be enemies, Anthony Davis. Foes. Street clothes. And we can wrap it up with Aristotle rock star. Aristotle Rockstar. As in the song.

[A.J. Jacobs]

Excuse me, Shaq Nickelback.

[Olivia Carville]

Jack Nickelback would be Aristotle rock star.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, Todd.

[Olivia Carville]

You're welcome.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm the only one applauding, apparently.

[Olivia Carville]

Sparks therapist. Sneak one more in. Sparks therapist, sparks the basketball team. Sparks therapist.

[Dan Patrick]

Brink shrimp.

[Olivia Carville]

There you go, Cameron.

[Dan Patrick]

Pirates pitcher Paul Skeens will join us. Steve Lapis, former coach, he's an analyst for March Madness, will join us in the final hour on this meet Friday. It's Fritzi, the king of comedy, Seaton, Marv, Dylan, yours truly in the back room, guys. Final hour in this Friday, right after this.

[Margie Murphy]

In 2020, a group of young women found themselves in an AI fueled nightmare.

[Olivia Carville]

Someone was posting photos.

[Chris Weber]

It was just me naked. Well, not me, but me with someone else's body parts.

[Margie Murphy]

This is Levittown, a new podcast from iHeart podcasts Bloomberg and Kaleidoscope about the rise of deepfake pornography and the battle to stop it. Listen to Levittown on Bloomberg's big Take podcast. Find it on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Colleen Witt]

Are you hungry? Colleen Witt here. And eating while broke is back for season four every Thursday on the Black Effect podcast network. This season we've got a legendary lineup serving up broke dishes and even better stories. On the menu we have Tony Baker, Nick Cannon, Melissa Ford, October London and Carrie Harper. Howie. Turning Big Macs into big moves. Catch eating while broke every Thursday on the Black Effect Podcast Network. IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts. Wherever you get your favorite shows, come hungry for season four.

[A.J. Jacobs]

Dressing. Dressing.

[Olivia Carville]

Oh, French dressing.

[A.J. Jacobs]

Exactly.

[Chris Weber]

That's good.

[A.J. Jacobs]

I'm A.J. jacobs, and my current obsession is puzzles. And that has given birth to my podcast, the Puzzler.

[Dan Patrick]

Something about Mary Poppins.

[A.J. Jacobs]

Exactly.

[Dan Patrick]

This is fun.

[A.J. Jacobs]

You can get your daily puzzle nuggets delivered straight to your ears. Listen to the Puzzler every day on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Todd Fritz]

My name is Brendan Patrick Hughes, host of Divine Intervention. This is a story about radical nuns in combat boots and wild haired priests.

[Dan Patrick]

Trading blows with J. Edgar Hoover in a hell bent effort to sabotage a war.

[Chris Weber]

J. Edgar Hoover was furious.

[A.J. Jacobs]

He was out of his mind and he he wanted to bring the Catholic.

[Dan Patrick]

Left to its knees. Listen to Divine intervention on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Margie Murphy]

I'm Mary Kay McBrayer, host of the podcast the Greatest True Crime Stories Ever Told. This season explores women from the 19th century to now. Women who were murderers and scammers, but also women who were photojournalists, lawyers, writers and more. This podcast tells more than just the brutal, gory details of horrific acts. I delve into the good, the bad, the difficult and all the nuance I can find because these are the stories that we need to know to understand the intersection of society, justice and the fascinating workings of the human psyche. Join me every week as I tell some of the most enthralling truths crime stories about women who are not just victims, but heroes or villains, or often somewhere in between. Listen to the greatest true crime stories ever told on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.