Dan Patrick (2:08)

But the big German came in and he is a firefighter and EMS by trade by day. And he came in, went right to the fire and helped put out what could have been a disaster. Fire alarm went off. Everybody is safe. We're good and we'll proceed with caution. I don't know what this means for a sports Emmy, but maybe we submit. Oh no, it's too late. We already Submitted for this year.

Paul (2:35)

This would be for next year.

Dan Patrick (2:36)

Yeah. Well, who knows what could happen in the interim here. Marvin, you okay?

Marvin (2:45)

No, I'm still basking in.

Dan Patrick (2:46)

Oh, the long arms. Oh.

Marvin (2:48)

31 inches long.

Dan Patrick (2:49)

Yes. Yeah.

Marvin (2:50)

I did it.

Dan Patrick (2:51)

You did? So proud of you. Did you call your mom?

Marvin (2:54)

I did. She was like, congrats.

Dan Patrick (2:58)

Stat of the day brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards for the Dan Patrick show. Lewis, Rick from the mothership recapping the combine and Jeremiah Love, who was my second pick for the Heisman trophy. He looked great. As far as speed goes, there was nothing that he was going to do at the combine that was going to change my opinion. Unless he ran maybe a 4, 4, 5 or something. Then I'd go, wow. But you can watch him on the football field and he was the fastest guy on the field. You're not breaking 90 yard touchdown runs unless you're really fast. But the fact that he got has great hands, catch the ball, the backfield. And the jets are on the clock at 2. I want to ask Lewis Riddick, could the jets take him even though they're, you know, they have Breeze Hall. And my thought is, why not have two of those guys who are great, you know, difference makers. Now I'm going to put the pressure on the defense here. Now the jets aren't going to take him. Jeremiah Love is probably going to be out of the top five. But if you want a difference maker on offense, like how many of those guys are in this draft and that's where you have to look at it differently. I know you don't want to take a running back that high because this is what's going to happen. I'm gonna draft him high. I hope that he gets a second contract because then that validates me taking him with one of those top 10 picks. And then you're gonna have to pay him commensurate to that second contract. But if he's that great, then I'm going to invest eight years of pay with Jeremiah Love because that's what it's going to come down to. You'll get four years and then you'll skip the fifth year. You'll sign him up and then you'll kind of have a Saquon Barkley situation. Except for you don't let Saquon Barkley go. If you're team taking Jeremiah Love.

Todd (4:53)

Yes, Todd, I think you take Love just for marketing reasons because then it could be Jet Mariah Love and you can have all kinds of fun with Jet Mariah Instead of Jeremiah Love Jet, Mariah Love.

Marvin (5:04)

Oh, no.

Todd (5:04)

Get rid of Breeze hall together if you have to.

Dan Patrick (5:06)

You're pretty quiet in the first hour.

Todd (5:08)

I should have stayed that way. When you get again.

Dan Patrick (5:10)

Yeah, I think the fire in my office had a better hour than you. Wow. Yeah. Got more attention, more content.

Todd (5:17)

Yeah, there's more content with the fire.

Dan Patrick (5:19)

All right, Seaton poll question. I don't even know what we put up in the first hour of the program. There was so much happening. My life flashed before my eyes. Flames, smoke alarm, big German.

Seaton Hall (5:31)

And now here we are, hour two.

Dan Patrick (5:33)

Yes.

Seaton Hall (5:33)

Just trying to piece it all back together somehow. We power on. We had two poll questions. Best month of the year for sports.

Dan Patrick (5:39)

October.

Seaton Hall (5:40)

Running away with that one at 54%. March having a very respectable 26% in second place. However, if you add up March and April together, they still don't match October. All right, Dominant gen, no love for January. Only about 5%. Then we got one here from Paul. The combine drill. I would do the worst in 40. Bench, vertical, or Wonderlic.

Dan Patrick (6:03)

Well, you guys did the Wonderlic a couple of years ago. That's when McLovin was here.

Seaton Hall (6:09)

Yeah, he did well.

Marvin (6:10)

Yeah.

Dan Patrick (6:11)

That's why he wanted to do the Wonderlic.

Seaton Hall (6:13)

Yeah.

Dan Patrick (6:13)

You know, Ivy league education with McLovin.

Seaton Hall (6:16)

The results on this one, vertical has about 40% followed by bench. At 37%. People very confident in their Wonderlic ability.

Dan Patrick (6:25)

I would fail miserably in all of them, especially the bench press. I mean, I carry. I carry a network, but I can't bench press, you know, 220.

Seaton Hall (6:35)

Upper body strength can be tricky if you. Unless you really work on it a lot.

Dan Patrick (6:38)

Right. Yeah, I. You know what? I was out getting chicks, so I wouldn't like Todd, who just doing his triceps and biceps.

Todd (6:46)

That's really it. No legs. No legs. Thank you. Way too busy.

Dan Patrick (6:49)

You never did leg day.

Todd (6:50)

I did it once in a while, and I got such a horrible cramp from not doing it regularly that I could barely get off the machine. I'm like, I'm not doing this anymore.

Dan Patrick (6:57)

Yes.

Seaton Hall (6:57)

The crazy part, too is that Todd still on the rare. Like, every once in a while, he'll run over there and grab like dumbbell.

Dan Patrick (7:04)

Yeah.

Seaton Hall (7:04)

And he still only does the same curls that he probably did when he was 17. He doesn't change up anything at all.

Todd (7:10)

I use, literally, on the rare occasion that I go to the gym these days, I think I use about four, maybe five machines. And then I'll go on the treadmill for 20 minutes. And, you know, once I get the first beat of sweat, I'm out of there.

Dan Patrick (7:22)

Do we have a poll question for hour two? Seaton.

Seaton Hall (7:25)

Yeah, we're going to stick with these. I just put up the one from Paul about which one.

Dan Patrick (7:28)

The.

Seaton Hall (7:29)

Which combine event. You would do worse.

Dan Patrick (7:32)

Okay, I can improve in the Wonderlic. I'm not going to. I can improve in the 40. I probably would take a long time to improve in the bench press vert. Those days are done some. Yeah.

Seaton Hall (7:51)

It is weird when you, like, sort of crouch down to get into that vertical position and you go to jump. And that spring, even what limited spring may have had, isn't there anymore at all. Not even close. That's upsetting.

Dan Patrick (8:05)

I. I remember somebody saying, hey, Marcus Johnson just dunked and he's 70. You're turning 70. And I go, no, no, I wouldn't even want to try. Something's going to fall out. Something's going to blow out it. That would be horrible. Yes.

Paul (8:23)

Paul, going back to the combine. I don't think you can improve your speed, your jumping, or even your Wonderlic at this point in our lives. Like, I think our speed is our speed, but I think strength in the bench could be dealt with and could be improved.

Dan Patrick (8:36)

I think you could improve your speed lightly. Yes. There's techniques that I think you could.

Seaton Hall (8:41)

I think all of those things can be improved. You know, we had Michael Vick on years ago, and he said. And we were talking about Preparing for the 40, and he said, squats. Just have to do a ton of squats and you'll improve your 40.

Mike (8:51)

Oh.

Dan Patrick (8:53)

Anything else? Yeah. The Wonderlic. I think I could prepare for it knowing the question, knowing the type of questions, not knowing the questions, that would help, too. But I would be coy and say that I didn't want to appear too smart because teams might not want you. Hey, you're too smart. Not that that would ever happen, but it'd be good to use that as an excuse. And, Todd, while you're smart, I was

Todd (9:25)

very average with that score. I don't know, whatever I got, it was either average or below average. I overthink questions a lot. When I was a little kid, there was a question about the bakery and what you can get at a bakery. And I picked beans because I thought it baked beans. It's gotta be bakery, baked beans. So I remember that back in third grade, I overthinked. I was the only one that get that wrong out of the whole class on that test. There was cookies and there was like normal Answers. And I'm like, oh, they're trying to trick me. I'm gonna be the only one to get this right.

Dan Patrick (9:47)

Baked beans.

Todd (9:48)

That's what you find.

Dan Patrick (9:49)

So what's the poll question? So we have our poll question for hour two.

Todd (9:52)

So you did that again. You did what?

Dan Patrick (9:53)

You. No, I. Todd, I gave you the time to explain, and then I have to move on.

Todd (9:57)

I thought that was a cute little story about embarrassing third grade answer that I gave.

Dan Patrick (10:01)

I know. Bakery and baked beans. Okay.

Seaton Hall (10:02)

It was very cute, Todd. Very cute.

Dan Patrick (10:04)

Yes.

Paul (10:04)

Paul, have you noticed that in the past, maybe two years, three years of doing this show? The Wonderlic is kind of dead as far as things being released. Notes, stats, numbers. It's kind of gone away. I don't know if fewer guys are taking them or they're not being leaked.

Todd (10:20)

What was.

Dan Patrick (10:22)

Was it Vince Young? Was that the last time that you had numbers released?

Paul (10:27)

No, I've got numbers from three or four years ago.

Dan Patrick (10:30)

No, but, you know. Yeah. Embarrassing.

Lewis Riddick (10:32)

Yeah.

Paul (10:33)

Vince Young was publicly embarrassed.

Dan Patrick (10:34)

Yeah. Yes.

Seaton Hall (10:38)

I think. I think people have really come around to the idea that standardized tests are kind of nonsense.

Dan Patrick (10:44)

Yes. I agree.

Seaton Hall (10:45)

So that might impact the wonder.

Dan Patrick (10:46)

Like, I was saying that in high school, you know, these standardized tests, that they're not accurate, they're not real. Yeah. After I did poorly on them.

Seaton Hall (10:54)

Accurate.

Dan Patrick (10:55)

Yeah.

Seaton Hall (10:55)

Same, same.

Dan Patrick (10:56)

Yeah. No, my mom was like, didn't you prepare? I go, no, I. I didn't. How am I preparing? We didn't have tutors back then. And she goes, you're gonna have a hard time getting into college. I said, not with this jumper. Yes, Marvin,

Marvin (11:16)

I can already see. Mom, come on. This jumper is money.

Dan Patrick (11:18)

That's all I. Yeah.

Lewis Riddick (11:20)

School.

Dan Patrick (11:21)

This is summa summa score a lot. Hey, that's not bad, right? Off the cuff. Todd, I'm not gonna. Summa cum laude.

Marvin (11:29)

I would have said that.

Todd (11:29)

I would have been so crushed. We all know that.

Dan Patrick (11:34)

Do I grade you on a curve?

Todd (11:36)

I wish you would grade better. You just strictly go like. Anyway, Sal from Poughkeepsie, what do you got? I'm gonna pretend that he didn't say that.

Dan Patrick (11:43)

Mike in New Jersey. Hey, Mike, what's on?

Mike (11:48)

Oh, everything's good. Big week in Florida. I got my three grandchildren, Liam, Layla, and Sloan, coming down for a week of fun with grandpa, so it's going to be a blast. Best and worst of the weekend. I think the worst would have to be that quarterback Ponder from Colorado getting killed in the auto accident. Oh, and the best of the weekend, which could lead into Saturday would be Michael Jordan making history with NASCAR and his driver Redick winning the third race in a row, the only time that's ever been done in the history of nascar.

Dan Patrick (12:25)

Yeah, Mike's having a good month here. Mike's having a good life here now. Winning Daytona a couple of races after that, got his fishing boat there, making hundreds of millions of dollars, getting away from basketball and he's been really successful. Yes.

Marvin (12:44)

Marvin, is he still a part of the NBC family or was with Tarico or is that just the one time

Dan Patrick (12:50)

he might be getting paid by NBC? I don't think I would consider part of him part of the NBC family.

Marvin (12:55)

So he's still winning.

Dan Patrick (12:57)

Yeah. You know, that was, that was not good. It's not good at all. You do one interview and whatever, you got $20 million.

Seaton Hall (13:06)

I think I'm done now.

Dan Patrick (13:07)

Yeah.

Seaton Hall (13:08)

Oh.

Dan Patrick (13:09)

Because what we want is the relevancy of Mike talking about the NBA. Not, you know, Tirico's got to go in and go. I got all of these questions, these topics, and hopefully they're evergreen, that they'll last throughout the year. You would have thought, okay, every six weeks you're able to go and have Mike sit down. I, I don't, and I don't know what he got paid, but let's say $20 million. I would hope 20 million would, would go a little further. Yes, Paul.

Paul (13:38)

The estimates are between 20 and 37 million dollars for a less than three hour interview.

Dan Patrick (13:44)

No, that's, that's, that's not good. I mean it's, it's good, but that's not good. Yeah. Marvin.

Todd (13:51)

Yeah.

Marvin (13:51)

The part that was giving me was he was just talking very general. He didn't say anything about like specific players. I want to hear you talk about the current guys, the sga, the jokers, the Aunt Edwards, but it was just very, I don't like load management.

Todd (14:03)

Great.

Dan Patrick (14:04)

Yeah. Paulie.

Paul (14:05)

I think though, NBC got what they wanted out of it. They wanted to be the big splash. Six, you know, eight months ago, you

Dan Patrick (14:11)

think you got $37 million worth of coverage, Publicity.

Paul (14:15)

Weirdly, yeah. Because what NBC knew what they were buying and they knew the limited access they would have. But when they announced that we're getting the NBA and guess who's joining us? Michael Jordan. No one else got him for decades. And they got the buzz to lead off their new era of NBC's NBA coverage. It's not long lasting, but I think that it felt big right off the bat.

Dan Patrick (14:37)

Yeah. But I think it worked against them because. Yeah. Oh, you got. Oh, that's it. Oh, he's wearing the same clothes that. Oh, okay. It was Peyton switch, I thought, you know, because initially it was like, all right, Mike's going to contribute. But I mean, if you really want to spice it up, that's where you have. Well, he, he and Charles are not seeing eye to eye, but if you add Barkley and then you had Reggie Miller, if you had a couple of different former players, you were able to do, you know, with players that are current, you know, currently under the, or on the payroll at NBC, maybe you could do something fun like that. Maybe you could do sort of a town hall with five NBA players and Mike. But I got to get more out of it than what I got does it. It didn't, you know, the opinions were kind of loose. You know, I wanted, I wanted it direct. I wanted sharper. And you didn't get that. Thank you, Mike. Though. Aiden in Utah. Hi, Aiden. What's on your mind?

Mike (15:45)

Adp.

Dan Patrick (15:46)

Good morning. Good morning.

Mike (15:48)

Good to be back on the show. Hey, I just got a quick something. Mendoza did an interview with. I forget the lady, she's out of it. In the Indiana local sports network and she asked her what was the. She asked him what was the wildest thing he had been asked by one of the teams and he said one of the teams asked him to get arrested. So he was fallen in the draft. Yeah, that's. That's how badly people want this guy.

Dan Patrick (16:12)

Well, I would say they're just having fun with him. I just, I, I just hope he goes, you know, to a team that's ready to bring him in. I don't think he's going to play right away. I hope he doesn't play right away. But I mean, they may say see something different where they go, we have to play. But I just hope that they bolster the offensive line. You do have Genti and Bowers and if they do that, great, because you can't help but like the kid and root for him. Great story, but I just want to make sure. And the Raiders know this, we're going to make sure that we have a semblance of an offensive line here just to protect him. Yes.

Marvin (16:55)

Marv, do you think there's ever a chance in today's NFL that the number one pick in the NFL draft wouldn't play week one?

Dan Patrick (17:03)

I would say yes. Yes.

Marvin (17:10)

Who's their other option? Safest? The Raiders.

Dan Patrick (17:14)

Well, Gino's not there. Or is he still. Maybe he's not under contract, but I, I would have somebody who. I just don't want him to walk in there and all of a sudden people are going to go, okay, save us. Is Kenny Pickett still there with the Raiders?

Paul (17:34)

He's on the depth chart.

Dan Patrick (17:35)

Okay, how deep is he on the. What depth is he at? Second string, 40, 40 kilometers deep. But you look, he might surprise people. That happened with Justin Herbert. All of a sudden, coaching staff goes, oh, my God. Because he blew everybody away when, you know, showed up for Cam. All right, we'll talk to Lewis Riddick and the Mothership. He'll join us next. More of your phone calls as well. We're back after this. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio in the iHeartRadio app. Hey, it's Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington from the Odd Couple on Fox Sports Radio. And in addition to hearing us live

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4imprint for certain Lewis Riddick of the Mothership Great contributor throughout the entire football season and of course in the off season. ESPN NFL College Football Analyst and you could tune in for NFL Draft Daily three Eastern weekdays on ESPN 2 ESPN app and also Disney Plus. All right, give me the most important drill at the combine and you as a former front office guy would say that will equate to success on Sundays.

Lewis Riddick (22:42)

Yeah, you know it's, it's different for each, for each position group. So when you're looking at, obviously when you look at the 40, which is always the marquee event, you know it's different for the dbs as opposed to offensive linemen. You hear all the time off his offensive lineman's about 10 yards split. For DBs like corners in particular, it's about 10 yard split. The 40 is more heavily weighted for corners because look, if you're sub, if you're not sub, 4, 5 in the 40 at corner, you're probably gonna have to be like ridiculously proficient as far as your instincts and route recognition because you just need raw speed. You just do. I think for like wide receivers, I love to watch the 3 cone drill and, and the 20 yard short shuttle because obviously a lot of their, their movements, lower body explosiveness, being able to change direction, moving to serpentine, that's all important. So like right now, when everybody's like up in arms about Carnell Tate's 40 yard time being, you know, 451-452, his agent saying it's lower, blah, blah. Look, it really, if, if we really judge wide receivers by 40s, Jerry Rice would have went undrafted. So I mean, it's just like, you know, there, it's always different from position group to position group. I think across all position groups. Everyone likes to see what a guy's vertical jump is because that is really just about raw physical explosion. And there were some dudes this year who was like, I mean, I was telling my son about some of these guys in their fort in their vertical jumps and he's like 43 and a half inches from standing two point, like, yeah, man, these dudes are jumping out the gym. So it's, it moves based on position, But I think 40, 10 splits, three cone, those are the ones that you really want to kind of pay attention to from a measurement standpoint.

Dan Patrick (24:22)

You know what caught my attention? A couple of guys had a better vertical than Vince Carter. And I go, I don't know what it means, but that's pretty damn impressive there. I don't, I don't know. I mean, there's certain positions where I could see where you would say, oh, you know, this guy, if an edge rusher, somebody can block field goals, maybe vertical comes in. But these guys are preparing for the combine.

Lewis Riddick (24:49)

Yeah.

Dan Patrick (24:50)

So that's the tricky part is, you know, how good are they or how good will they be as football players? I still maintain what I see on tape on Saturday is now your medicals, the interview process. Like those are important. You know, are you. The height that they say, the weight you say? Other than that? I just don't.

Lewis Riddick (25:14)

It's a. Yeah.

Dan Patrick (25:15)

And teams do this, though, Louis, every year somebody's going to go, oh my God, like Anthony Richardson, somebody's going to go by what they saw this week in Indianapolis and change what they probably saw for three months. In the college football season.

Mike (25:31)

Yeah.

Lewis Riddick (25:32)

And usually what that is, is then at this point in time is where a lot of other people come into the evaluation process, namely coaches, namely administrators. You know, whether it be a team president, an owner, whoever it is, they haven't been out on the road since August in September, October, November. They've been watching tape, they've been doing their own thing. I mean, coaches have been coaching their team. So what winds up happening is sometimes they can come in and they can. Now it's important for a general manager in particular to not let this happen. But they can kind of blow up all the work that's been done and next thing you know, like, everything is in chaos. When really you want to just keep the train on the tracks and keep it moving down the road, it's just another piece. It's confirmation a lot of times for what you've seen on tape or it's the reason why you go back and maybe evaluate a little bit more. Especially if a guy isn't as athletic in the testing numbers as you thought he looked on tape, or if a guy's a lot more athletic looking than you thought he was on the tape, then you need to go back and research. Was he hurt during the season? What kind of scheme was he dealing with during the season? What kind of coaching was he getting during the season? So, you know, you don't want to miss on somebody who maybe just had, who dealt with an injury, dealt with a bad situation during the fall. But he is a great athlete and quite honestly, he does have football instincts. And maybe you could wind up catching someone whose value is a little depressed and wind up really hitting on him once he gets to your place. It's just that it's another, it's just another data point, but I'm with you. There's no games being played right now, no guys who are catching passes, intercepting passes, rushing the passer. So let's not make crazy wild changes on people's evaluations. Although there were some guys who really did confirm what you saw on tape. And the cool part about it, it's all the top players that were doing it and they blew it up as far as their testing, which right now is going to make night one of the draft super, super exciting.

Dan Patrick (27:26)

Lewis Riddick of the Mothership, former NFL defensive back and pro personnel director with the Eagles, also was in the front office with Washington. You can see him on NFL draft daily at three Eastern weekdays on ESPN2, ESPN, Apple and Disney Plus. It's weird to say, hey, is the best player, the most talented player going to be taken number one overall. And the answer is no. In basketball, if the Portland Trailblazers had taken the best player in the draft, they would have taken Michael Jordan. But they. At the time, you had to have a big man. So you pass. You know, Akeem goes one, then you got Sam Bowie. But the NFL, do they, they, they do that as well. It's position. You're not going to take Jeremiah Love number one, and he could be the best player in the draft or Sonny Styles or whoever you want to throw in there. Yeah, it is, it's. It's the person in front of you, aside from quarterback. It's, it's need. There could be a defensive back who's the best player in the draft. He ain't going number one, but.

Lewis Riddick (28:36)

Yeah.

Dan Patrick (28:37)

So how do you justify. When you take somebody, even if, you know the guy who's going to go four picks later is the best player and, you know, could be a Hall of Famer?

Lewis Riddick (28:47)

Because it's, it's, it's always. Well, there's really. There's two things. It's always like a. There's always a battle between best player available and best player available at the position that you do need because you are actually trying to build a football team and you're not just collecting talent. So it's like, like, let's just say, for instance, if somehow, some way, which it won't happen, let's just say Fernando Mendoza had slid down the board to number, you know, to number nine, and Kansas City's there on the board, they're not going to take Fernando Mendoza, even if he was the best player on the board at that time, because it just doesn't make sense. Right. So you, you're always trying to balance those two.

Dan Patrick (29:22)

Yeah, but take quarterback out of the equation.

Lewis Riddick (29:24)

Okay, True. So I think what winds up happening is there, and I remember being taught this a long time ago, you need to come up with a way in which you prioritize the positions in terms of importance, 1 through 22 on a football team, obviously. Okay, we'll take quarterback out at the top. So the other 21 positions, what exactly. How do you prioritize them? So you know that. Okay, when you're looking at your board, like you have, typically, if you can picture a board, a physical board up on the draft room, you have all the positions across the top of the board horizontally, and then everybody stacked vertically within those positions, and you kind of. Then you have like a grading scale on the far left and you kind of slot them in vertically cross positions like this. So what winds up happening is depending upon how you, you know, stack positions. So let's say that your top five positions are quarterback, pass rusher, defensive corner, offensive tackle, wide receiver. Let's see that those are your top five positions in that order. Most teams are going to have those five positions in some kind of order outside of quarterback. Okay. And you come up and you're. You're up on. You're on the clock and say you're at pick five. Right. And you're looking across the board and you have three guys at premium positions who are all, literally, as you look horizontally across the board on the same plane, you have them graded exactly the same. Now is when you go to how you prioritize building a football team.

Dan Patrick (30:52)

Yeah.

Lewis Riddick (30:53)

Okay. And how you prioritize building a football team, sometimes it's like philosophically how you believe, you know, teams should be built. There's obviously salary cap ramifications that are involved here. So, you know, a guy who winds up, you know, positions that carry a higher value in the NFL when you're talking about, you know, what the franchise tag would be with the average, average salary per year would be, you want to kind of get those guys when they're younger on a rookie contract. You don't want to have to be in free agency having to find those kind of people. So you wind up prioritizing, number one, they have high positional value on a football team anyway as far as how you play the game. And number two, that's usually going to come with a higher salary. So you want as much cheap, affordable labor as you can possibly get. So you're going to prioritize those guys higher. That's why running back, that's why it slides down the board. And that's why pass rushers, corners, offensive tackles are always going to go higher. And there may be guys who go higher even if they are on your board. Jeremiah Love is sticking out. He's above everyone.

Dan Patrick (31:54)

But you're going to.

Lewis Riddick (31:55)

But you need an offensive tackle. You may take CC MAU, Noah from Miami, even if he is a notch below Jeremiah Love, simply because of the positional value to your football team.

Dan Patrick (32:04)

But if you take Jeremiah Love in the top 10, which he probably will.

Lewis Riddick (32:10)

Which he will. Yeah.

Dan Patrick (32:11)

So you're going to double down on that. You're going to have to pay him as a top 10 pick.

Lewis Riddick (32:16)

Yep.

Dan Patrick (32:16)

And then if he works out, you're going to have to pay him again.

Lewis Riddick (32:20)

Yep.

Dan Patrick (32:20)

Correct. Like if you draft him and he turns out to be great. Then you get to that fourth year. Well, now you're doubling down on that position. So now you get into that Zeke Elliott situation, and then you go, how much gas does he have left? Can I get eight years out of Jeremiah Love? And that's why teams, I think, get nervous with that top 10 pick on a running back.

Lewis Riddick (32:44)

You know what's also interesting about that, though? See, I. I do think traditionally, like back in the 2000s, early 2010s, late 90s. Yeah. You used to. You always thought about, could I get. How much Runway can I get with a player? Can I get two contracts out of him? Can I get a decade? Can I get 10 years? You see how fast the league changes now, how much? I mean, coaches get two, three years, and they're blown up out of there. I do think the mentality has changed some. Meaning, look, we gotta win now. Otherwise, we see how impatient owners get right now.

Dan Patrick (33:16)

Yeah.

Lewis Riddick (33:16)

So I. I think a little bit of that calculus has changed. Like, I don't know if you worry about that so much as you look with Jeremiah. I wouldn't be worried about that, about doubling down and trying to figure out, you know, what am I going to do with his second contract? I just want to get through his first contract. I want to win some games. I want to be able to go worse to first, like some of these teams are doing, because if I don't, I may be out of here. In the way in which he is able to help you win football games with his explosive playmaking ability, which is priority number one for every general manager and head coach right now.

Dan Patrick (33:48)

But why don't the jets take him at 2?

Lewis Riddick (33:51)

You know what? Probably because they're thinking this. Look, they're going to believe at some point here. I think they're going to franchise Breece hall they really do like, and Breece is a good player, and I just don't think that makes sense for them. But I think, look, could Tennessee wind up taking him? Could Arizona wind up taking him? Could the Giants at five for sure wind up taking him? I absolutely think so. I absolutely think that he. He may not get past the Giants at five. He's. He's. Look, they saw what they gave up and they under. I understand why they thought they maybe needed to give this up, meaning let Saquon go, but they saw the difference that he can make. They saw the difference that he can make. Now, obviously, you need to make sure your Saquon went to the perfect place with the perfect offensive line at that time. But Jeremiah is different. And I know for a fact, as I hear it all the time, it's what every head coach is after. We need guys who can win games on one play. It's too hard to try and go 10, 15 plays, and Jeremiah can do. I had a running back coach told me this, Tell me this, Dan. He said, you know who he reminds me of? He goes, don't, don't, don't. I'm not saying this is a one to one comparison, but he moves with the ease and fluidity of Eric Dickerson. That's what it reminds me of. And I haven't heard anybody in my entire time of scouting since I got done playing compare anybody to Eric Dickerson. Nobody. Nobody. Not a single runner. That was pretty high praise. And I respect the hell out of this guy who told me that you're

Dan Patrick (35:15)

in love with love.

Lewis Riddick (35:16)

I see. Yeah, I'm not the only one. Yeah, he's this special.

Dan Patrick (35:22)

Yeah, but see, then I go back to the Jets. Why not have another playmaker?

Lewis Riddick (35:26)

Yeah, okay.

Dan Patrick (35:27)

I have Breeze Hall. I get another playmaker. I want to put pressure on you on the defensive side. Yeah, now, now deal with this. We'll, we'll incorporate these guys in the offense. If he's the second best most valuable player difference maker, I have a hard time passing.

Lewis Riddick (35:46)

The only problem is, like, they were, they were like, epically, historically bad on defense. Like, they have no playmakers on site. They gave all of them away.

Dan Patrick (35:56)

We're just going to score more points. We don't even score one more point, Louis.

Lewis Riddick (36:00)

Well, then, I mean, what you looking at is, you know, can we address it somewhere later on down the, you know, down the line? I know they're gonna get a quarterback, too. So that, that's the other thing too, Dan. I mean, what are they going to do at 16? What are they gonna do? I mean, are they going to wind up taking a guy? I'm sitting here looking at my board. I'm going, hey, man, they got to get somebody. They gotta get somebody to pull the trigger. I know they've got so many different things going on there, but, yeah, Jeremiah's got a lot of people right now in personnel departments sitting there going, should we? We saw what Jameer Gibbs did. We know what Bijan Robinson can do. We saw what Saquon can do when he's at the right spot. Are we set up to where we can get that kind of return on investment if he's ours? And I think that's, this is, this is the fun time of year. It's a fun time of year for us. I don't know how fun it is for the teams and, you know, we're actually trying to make these decisions, but there, there's some dudes, man, there are some guys right now who just showed over the weekend, over the past week that the athletic component of the game is skyrocketing. These athletes are insanely, insanely talented and skilled and trained, and the game has never been more more specialized and more athletic than it will be in 2026, that's for sure.

Dan Patrick (37:14)

Great to talk to you as always. Of course. Thank you, bud.

Lewis Riddick (37:17)

All righty.

Dan Patrick (37:18)

Louis Riddick of the Mothership. Here are the updated odds DraftKings, the NFL Draft. Who will be the number two overall pick after Fernando Mendoza? Arvell Reese is your favorite. Then David Bailey. Bailey's out of Texas Tech. Is that the edge rusher?

Seaton Hall (37:37)

Yeah.

Dan Patrick (37:38)

All right. Reuben Bain Jr. III, Caleb Downs, Sonny Stiles, Ohio State, Ty Simpson, and then Jeremiah Love. But Jeremiah Love is plus 4, 500, whereas Arvell Reese is minus 140. The jets are not going to take Jeremiah Love. They're not going to take a quarterback, Ty Simpson either. But Sonny Stiles had a great combine. And I'm not sure what happened. Was it Cornell Tate, the Ohio State wide receiver, and he ran a pedestrian 4 5, which is average. Actually, it's below average. And then all of a sudden, Adam Schefter tweeted out that there were other people at the combine handheld who had him in the four fours. Now, I don't know if Adam has mentioned this, that there are other players handheld times that would be better than the actual official time at the combine, but it certainly sounded suspicious. And Drew Rosenhaus is Carnell Tate's agent. Now, I'm not saying that Drew Rosenhaus asked Adam Schefter to. Hey, there's some hand timed. So wait a minute. I'm going to take a hand timed 40 over the actual system that they've been using for years. What if the hand time was worse than the actual com? Would he have reported that? Snarky. Yes. Yes, Marvin.

Marvin (39:15)

But I'm going to give Tate the benefit of the doubt because he's a Ohio State wide receiver. I think I'll take my chances with him. 4, 5, 4, 6, whatever. Just because of the lineage that the guys that they've produced as of late.

Dan Patrick (39:27)

Okay, but why do we need to maybe adjust his time so it's, you know, it passes the eye test here.

Marvin (39:33)

No clue.

Dan Patrick (39:34)

Okay.

Marvin (39:35)

Because it said I went to Ohio State as a wide receiver.

Dan Patrick (39:37)

Yes. Period. Yes, I went to Ohio State. I don't have to run the 40 yard dash. He could have done that. But if you run a four or five, whatever, and then all of a sudden they're hand timed four fours. I just want to know if Adam has reported on any other players that had hand times that might have been better than their 40 yard dash. I'm not saying, but I'm just saying we'll come back with our best and worst of the weekend right after this. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live, I'm Nancy

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Seaton Hall (44:50)

Yeah, we got two of them up there. One of them we just sort of took part in. Not really. Which combine event do you think you would do worse in 40 bench, vert, vertical or Wonderlic? The vertical is followed very closely by a bench press. People very confident in their Wonderlic abilities. And the best month of the year for sports. October obviously the huge winner, but March is coming in a very respectable second.

Dan Patrick (45:14)

Very respectful. Yes. Paul.

Paul (45:15)

Two years ago the NFL made it optional to take the Wonderlic. No longer mandatory as of the 2023 combine.

Dan Patrick (45:23)

Yeah, I remember talking to somebody at the players association. They said we don't want to have our players take it if you're going to reveal the results. But they were going to get out because all it takes is one person to tell one person. And then you know, one of these NFL insiders has that information and then you're, you're going to reveal it. Todd, I'll start with you. Best and worst of the weekend My

Todd (45:46)

best of the week in the Nuggets Thunder game. Very entertaining Friday night. Thunder took it 127, 121 in overtime. SGA scored 36 and it's returned from a strained abdomen. OKC able to pull away with their star on the bench during the overtime period. Worst 14th ranked Kansas lost for the third time in their last five games falling to number two Arizona. No shame in losing to number two, but three out of five losses they lose by 23 points in Tucson Seaton.

Seaton Hall (46:10)

My best of the weekend. I'm going Kenyan Sadiq. That dude had a monster combine. He ran a sub 4, 440. He jumped. He had a 40 plus inch vertical and he jumped over 11ft at 220 pounds.

Dan Patrick (46:26)

That's crazy.

Seaton Hall (46:29)

That kid's a thing. My worst of the weekend actually the Ohio State Buckeyes. If you're watching the combine and you see one after the other, absolute superstar player, Arvell Reese, you have oh look Sonny Styles. Look Caleb Downs. Didn't he barely even mentioned him. Kaden McDonald. They had all of these players showcased at the combine this week. It's like man, how did they not win a national championship? How did they not win a Big ten championship?

Dan Patrick (46:52)

Yeah, the Kenyan Sadiq. I remember they were playing Indiana and I saw him on the field and I go oh but damned who's who's going to try to guard him? But tight end, he's 63240 and he ran a 439-40-yard dash, 43 and a half vertical. Man.

Seaton Hall (47:12)

For some reason he reminds me like different positions but just the way like he looks when he plays and the way he, he plays he reminds me of like Anquan Bolden or something. Yeah, he has like a this sort of shape about him and the way that he just looks out there. He's like the second coming.

Dan Patrick (47:26)

Marvin. Best and worst of the Weekend.

Marvin (47:28)

Best of the weekend. No bias here. Ucon forward Alice Caraban scoring 23 points. And it went over Seton Hall. And before the game, he was inducted into the Huskies of Honor. Sorry, seating. About seating.

Seaton Hall (47:38)

Hall.

Dan Patrick (47:39)

What?

Marvin (47:41)

What? What should have been. What should have been my best beating

Seaton Hall (47:44)

an unranked team at home.

Dan Patrick (47:46)

It doesn't really seem like that much the biggest punishment.

Marvin (47:48)

It's the Big East.

Dan Patrick (47:49)

No, no. Seton hall is not the Big East.

Seaton Hall (47:52)

Okay, now that is unnecessary. You take that back.

Paul (47:55)

Another fire.

Seaton Hall (47:57)

How dare you.

Dan Patrick (47:57)

Hall is East. Whoa.

Lewis Riddick (48:00)

The beast of the East. Are you kidding me? What the hell?

Dan Patrick (48:04)

What else? Marvin?

Marvin (48:05)

Worst of the weekend, 20th rank, Arkansas getting mollywop by 34 points.

Dan Patrick (48:10)

I know.

Marvin (48:10)

And losing to Florida.

Dan Patrick (48:12)

I didn't want to reach out to John Caliperi after that one. You know, sometimes if they play well, I'll send him a text. Paulie, Best and worst of the week.

Paul (48:20)

Best of the weekend, watching the combine. Offensive tackle from Bama, Caden Proctor, 67352. He dropped 15 pounds for the combine. He ran a 52 1, 40, which is actually great. His vertical is 33 inches at 6735 2. What an unbelievable prospect. And then the worst of the weekend, USC basketball. One of their leading scorers, Chad Baker Mazzara, he came out of the game and couldn't tell if he was hurt or not. And then when he said he couldn't go back in, he went and sat in the stands next to the fans and doesn't look like he's going to continue with the team. Very awkward story.

Dan Patrick (48:58)

Okay.

Paul (48:59)

He's no longer a member of the men's basketball team, the school announced on Sunday. Awkward moments.

Dan Patrick (49:05)

Yeah.

Marvin (49:05)

Marv, he's also 26 years old. Legit. He's 26.

Dan Patrick (49:10)

Yeah. I was a completely different player at 25 than I was at 18 or 19. And you see some of the, like Greg Odin. When I saw Greg Odin when he was a freshman at Ohio State, I go, he ain't 18, he ain't 19. He looked like he was about 37. Jeffrey in Michigan. Hi, Jeff.

Mike (49:35)

Good morning, guys. Good morning. I got a T shirt idea. And the best and the worst of the weekend T shirt idea. I survived the great Dan Patrick Fire of 26. Wow, that's great. I would totally buy one of those. Best of the weekend was the Michigan State University Ohio State hockey game. That 14 round overtime shootout was insane. And then the worst of the weekend are these rumors about David Montgomery wanting out of Detroit. We can't break up Sonic and Knuckles, man.

Dan Patrick (50:05)

Yeah, yeah, he wants to be the featured back. Not going to be that with Jameer Gibbs, but that was a great two headed monster. All right, two hours in the books, one more to go. We'll talk to Jeremy Fowler. He's a NFL reporter for the Mothership and just the quarterback situation going on. And you know something as simple as Mendoza goats to the Raiders, is he going to go in as his starter? Who's the backup? Kyler Murray to Minnesota. What about two to Minnesota? Anybody going to the Jets? Anybody? Anybody? So we'll talk about the quarterback carousel. March is here. Combine is over. Moving towards the draft.

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