Hour 3 – Adam Silver, Waiting for Roger

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show — Hour 3 – Adam Silver, Waiting for Roger (June 23, 2026)

Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the state of the NBA with an exclusive interview featuring NBA Commissioner Adam Silver ahead of the 2026 NBA Draft. Dan Patrick and Silver discuss the major Giannis-to-Miami trade, league expansion, changes to the draft and tanking rules, player movement, international influence in the NBA, officiating issues, and the career impact of New York's recent NBA championship. The hour also features the show's signature banter about music, sport culture, voting privileges, and a peek behind the scenes of securing high-profile interviews.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Giannis Trade Analysis

• Dan Patrick recaps the breaking news: Giannis Antetokounmpo has been traded to the Miami Heat; Milwaukee receives Tyler Herro, three first-round picks, and additional players. (03:06)
• Adam Silver's Take: Silver praises the energy new player movement brings to markets, emphasizing that some degree of turnover is good for fan engagement.
  • “Certain amount of player movement is good, creates renewed energy and hope in markets. ... I think even in Milwaukee, there was a sense it was time to rebuild.” (03:51)

Dan asks about league office involvement in trades:

• Silver clarifies the league’s role is only administrative—approving trades only for compliance with the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA), not for evaluating trade quality. (04:30)

On the infamous Chris Paul veto:

• Silver explains the difference—David Stern acted as team owner, not just commissioner, during that decision, and that episode influenced Silver’s more hands-off approach to team decisions. (05:01)

2. Clippers & Kawhi Leonard Investigation

• Silver updates that the investigation into the Clippers and Kawhi Leonard is ongoing. No impact on the upcoming draft; decisions expected later in the summer. (05:54–06:17)

3. The Cultural Significance of a Knicks Title

• Dan probes the unique impact of a Knicks championship versus other New York teams.
• Silver, as a native New Yorker, reflects on the city's 53-year NBA title drought and the powerful public celebrations:
  • “Over 2 million people took to the streets for the parade… it brought people together like nothing else in recent history.” (06:41–07:52)

4. NBA Draft Preparation

• Silver describes the behind-the-scenes process, including a luncheon for lottery picks, a tradition of having players record the pronunciation of their names, and the nerves that come with announcing difficult names like “Antetokounmpo” and “Wembanyama.”
  • “At the Chicago Combine, we ask every player to look into a camera and say his name the way he wants it said.” (08:29)
  • “I remember practicing [Giannis Antetokounmpo] a few times. … When you look at the spelling, you get much more confused.” (10:22)

5. League Expansion and Future Outlook

• Dan asks about potential expansion. Silver says Las Vegas and Seattle are the only current candidates, with a likely expansion for the 2028–29 season, but nothing is finalized.
  • “If we expand, at least we're thinking 28, 29 season. … The only two cities at the moment we're looking at are Las Vegas and Seattle.” (11:29–12:14)
• On conference balancing, Silver notes adding two teams would prompt realignment, possibly moving Memphis or Minnesota to the Eastern Conference. (11:29–12:08)

6. Parity & Internationalization

• Dan and Silver discuss recent league trends: eight different NBA champions in eight years and a string of international MVPs.
• Silver stresses the importance of parity and opportunity for all teams, not dynasties, mirroring the NFL model:
  • “I've said it to be more NFL-like, where you believe your team has a shot… regardless of the market size.” (12:44–15:38)

7. Major Issues Facing the NBA

• Sports Betting
  • Silver confides that legal and illegal sports betting around the globe is an ongoing concern.
    • “Always the sports betting stuff. … There's no way we're going to turn the clock back on that.” (15:44)
• Tanking & Flopping
  • New draft odds to reduce tanking incentives (“draft relegation,” lowering chances for bottom teams).
    • “This year flopping started to get more attention… We'll certainly be spending a lot of time on that.” (16:59-19:09)
  • On differences between NBA and WNBA officiating and physicality:
    • “The women's game is just different than the men's game... It's just played differently to a certain extent.” (19:30–20:46)

8. Voting Privileges and Show Banter

• Dan bemoans the loss of his NBA voting rights for awards, jokes about lobbying Adam Silver to restore them (20:54–22:23).
• Lighthearted exchange about show history with commissioners—notably that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has never appeared on the Dan Patrick Show, often opting for softer interviews (43:29–48:52).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On NY’s Knicks Title:
  • “Over 2 million people took to the streets for the parade and it just, it felt like it brought people together like nothing else in recent history.”
    — Adam Silver (06:41)
• On trade involvement:
  • “People get confused sometimes as to whether we approve trades, meaning we think it’s a good trade, that's not our role.”
    — Adam Silver (04:30)
• On Pronouncing Giannis:
  • “I remember practicing that one a few times. ... You only get that much more confused.”
    — Adam Silver (10:22)
• On NBA parity:
  • “You believe your team has a shot… if your team is well managed, if you have a little bit of luck…regardless of the market size.”
    — Adam Silver (13:40)
• On betting risk:
  • “No question about it. Even when it was illegal it kept us up and when it's legal it keeps us up.”
    — Adam Silver (15:44)
• Banter on lost voting privileges:
  • Dan: “Who took away my voting privileges?” (20:54)
  • Silver: “All right, I'm gonna look into that one.” (21:23)
• Best tongue-in-cheek moment:
  • Paul: “If Seattle gets an expansion team with the NBA, can it be named the Supersonics or did their history go to Oklahoma City?” (28:13)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:06 — Start of NBA content: Introduction, NBA Draft, Giannis trade.
• 03:51–04:30 — Adam Silver on the Giannis trade and league’s role.
• 05:54–06:17 — Clippers/Kawhi Leonard investigation update.
• 06:41–07:52 — Silver on the Knicks’ cultural championship impact.
• 08:29–10:36 — Inside NBA Draft prep and name pronunciation.
• 11:29–12:24 — Expansion talk: Las Vegas, Seattle, conference realignment.
• 12:44–15:38 — Parity and the rise of international MVPs.
• 15:44–16:54 — Sports betting concerns.
• 16:59–19:09 — Addressing tanking, flopping, and new rule changes.
• 20:54–22:23 — Banter on Dan’s lost NBA voting privileges.
• 28:13 — Expansion legacy: Sonics name issue.
• 43:29–48:52 — Fun segment discussing the “commissioner tracker”: NFL commissioner avoidance and media strategy.

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Extras: Banter, Call-ins & Show Culture

• The latter part of the episode includes lively phone calls regarding soccer terminology, influential rock bands (with a humorous Grateful Dead debate), and shout-outs for retiring broadcaster Linda Cohn (36:31–39:44).
• Behind-the-scenes insight about why certain commissioners avoid the show, and the show’s pride in candid interviews.

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Conclusion & Tone

This hour blends deep sports business analysis, franchise and league strategy, and pop culture with Dan’s trademark mix of insightful questions and irreverent wit. Adam Silver’s transparency offers unique insight into the NBA’s current and future direction, while Dan and the crew’s light banter on music, guests, and sports traditions rounds out an engaging, varied listen for sports fans and industry observers alike.

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[Dan Patrick]

We made it to the final hour on this Tuesday NBA draft coming up tonight. We'll talk to the commissioner here in a moment. The Heat made it official acquiring Giannis and the Bucks get Tyler Hero, three first round picks and some other players going to the Bucks. We got World cup today and tonight, Portugal, Uzbekistan, England, Ghana, Panama, Croatia, Colombia, Congo. Dr. We say good morning those watching on Peacock, our streaming partner, the NBC Sports Network. We say good morning to our radio affiliates as well around the country. Let's bring in the commissioner. Adam Silver. Always good to see you again. Thank you for showing up, being punctual as always. What did you think of the trade with Giannis last night?

[Adam Silver]

It was interesting. There'd been discussions around Giannis getting moved for a while now. He obviously had a great run in Milwaukee and, you know, people had predicted under this new system with the second apron that we wouldn't have player movement. Certain amount of player movement is good, you know, creates renewed energy and hope in markets. I think even in Milwaukee, there was a sense there that it was time to rebuild. You know, a lot of excitement around Giannis going to Miami. So at least early reports are, it's positive.

[Dan Patrick]

How involved are you in the final process with that trade?

[Adam Silver]

Not at all. The only thing that happens from a league office standpoint is there's an official trade call where you have to match up rosters and caps for, you know, CBA purposes there, you know, physicals that get administered. But, you know, I think people get confused sometimes as to whether we approve trades, meaning we think it's a good trade, that that's not our role. It's only to make sure that the mechanics fit under the cba.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but I always go back to Commissioner Stern with the Chris Paul trade that he vetoed.

[Adam Silver]

Well, that issue always comes up. But you may remember at the time, David was in essence the acting owner of New Orleans. And so I know there was enormous confusion around that, but he vetoed that trade that was brought to him by the then GM and as wearing the hat of the owner of the team. And it was why when we ran the Clippers, when I ran early on as commissioner, having learned my lesson, there was a guy named Dick Parsons who was the interim governor. And I said, dick, you're in charge of that team. Other than the league playing its role, as it would with any trade, I have no say over what basketball decisions will be made for the organization. So lesson learned. There's. But again, he, David, was in essence acting as owner of the team, not as commissioner.

[Dan Patrick]

Where do we stand with the Clippers since you mentioned them, with, you know, sort of off the court stuff with

[Adam Silver]

the owner and Kawhi Leonard investigation is still ongoing. Law firm down the street from our office in New York, Wachtel is, is overseeing the investigation. And I know they're, they're hoping to wrap it up this summer, but this,

[Dan Patrick]

I don't know if it affects. Oh, so it has to be later this summer. I didn't know if it would affect draft picks or anything going into this draft tonight.

[Adam Silver]

Certainly nothing affecting tonight, but, but beyond that, you know, no decisions have been made.

[Dan Patrick]

Help me understand the importance. If, if I was going to look at a New York team winning a title in baseball, football, basketball, where would you put the importance of New York winning that title in basketball over, say, the Giants or the Yankees?

[Adam Silver]

Yeah, I'll say, really answering as a New Yorker, that I think this championship was unique because of the 53 year gap before they last won a championship. You know, I grew up a Yankee fan. The Yankees have had so much success in New York, it's a huge deal when they win a World Series. But I think, again, because so much pent up, you know, just fandom around this Knick team and desire to see a championship again. Also Madison Square Garden, as you know, you know, located in, you know, the heart of Manhattan. I always think of basketball as a city sport. So it seemed to take on just unique attention here. I will say again, being in this market, I mean, over 2 million people took to the streets for the parade and it just, it felt like it brought people together like nothing else in recent history. It just, there were viewing parties everywhere, walking to work, just being out on the streets. In my neighborhood, you saw Knick merchandise virtually on everyone, all the store windows, et cetera. So, you know, it was just amazing, I think, to see what this championship meant to New York. Right now.

[Dan Patrick]

Your first NBA game was a Knicks game?

[Adam Silver]

Definitely. Yeah. As a kid, no question about it. Probably my, my first, you know, 30 games. I mean, I, you know, when I was a kid, we didn't travel to NBA games. So I think I. I grew up to the extent I was able to go to games. It was exclusively going to Knicks games.

[Dan Patrick]

You, of course, have to host the draft tonight. Can you look back now? Do you. Does everybody get together? Help me understand, when you're preparing for announcing these names, how does that work? Where you need to learn how to pronounce those who might be drafted?

[Adam Silver]

Well, first of all, in terms of everyone getting together, actually right after this interview across the street from our office, Rockefeller center, and there's a luncheon for all the lottery picks and their families and friends. Some of them bring their coaches, high school coaches. It's a really cool event. And Andre Guadala, head of the Players association, will speak to them. I will as well. But it's really an opportunity to welcome them to the NBA family and opportunity for the Player Association. Talk to them a little bit about joining this unique fraternity. I'm always amazed. I think we're up to about 5,000 players in the history of this league have been in the NBA. I mean, it's quite an amazing, at least small number considering the history of this league. And it's sort of a welcome. So that happens today, just, you know, an hour from now. In terms of pronunciations, we've sort of learned our lesson. So what we do now, for example, at the Chicago Combine, we ask every player to look into a camera and say his name the way he wants it said. Because in some cases, what has become the pronunciation of the name in college or from wherever else isn't necessarily the way they want it said. You know, AJ DiVanso, for example, I was with him and his dad, and his father's name is Anise, and he, AJ is Anise Junior. And they both said to me, we want you to say whatever number he's picked to say Anise. Devon said, instead of A.J. i think he's still going to go by A.J. but, you know, like, that's. That's an example. But, you know, we. We also then

[Caller]

they.

[Adam Silver]

Folks in the league office write it out for me phonetically. I'm sure when you pronounce the names on air, it was the same. And do the best I can.

[Dan Patrick]

Was there ever a name where you got tripped up or were nervous about getting tripped up?

[Adam Silver]

I think Giannis is in the news. A tetokounmpo. I remember practicing that one a few times. I think, like, when you look at the spelling, you only get that much more confused. You just have to say, you know, put it aside.

[Dan Patrick]

So, yes, or wembanyama as well, you know.

[Adam Silver]

Yeah, yeah. Then. Then we just go by Wemby going forward. But yeah, that one too.

[Dan Patrick]

Busier in the off season or during the season?

[Adam Silver]

Definitely during the season. Just because there's things that come up every day, you know, with games every day, every night, there's always something that. That needs the league office's attention. But pretty busy offseason. I mean, different addition. We. We also collectively oversee the WNBA with my WNBA colleagues, so that keeps us pretty busy. But we have our summer league coming up right around the corner. After the draft, we're looking at potential expansion to Las Vegas and Seattle. We're looking at potentially creating a league in Europe. So I'll do a fair amount of traveling in the off season as well, but, you know, I'll get some time in there as well, so it's a little bit more relaxed.

[Dan Patrick]

We're looking at 20, 28, Seattle and Vegas still the leading candidates for expansion. And if so, Memphis or Minnesota going to the Eastern Conference. Does that sound fair?

[Adam Silver]

So if we expand, at least we're thinking 28, 29 season. The only two cities at the moment we're looking at are Las Vegas and Seattle. We haven't had a vote on it. It's not a foregone conclusion, but we're in the process of talking to groups that are interested in getting an expansion team in those two cities. And then. Yes, and then if we do add two teams, we'll want to likely even out the conferences. So there will be some movement then.

[Dan Patrick]

But you're looking at two teams, not either Seattle or Vegas.

[Adam Silver]

Yeah, we're currently looking at two teams, but what we've said is it's possible we won't expand at all and we could expand to just one market, but we're officially looking at both those markets right now.

[Dan Patrick]

Talking to the commissioner, Adam Silver, NBA draft coming up tonight. I think we've gone, what, eight years with a different champion. I think we've gone eight years with a non US born player winning mvp. Which trend would you like to continue as commissioner if you could pick between those two?

[Adam Silver]

You know, honestly, neither one. I mean, I think it's interesting that you've had so many international players as MVPs. I mean, we just talked about Giannis also. It's interesting on draft night, as a reminder, 15th pick in the draft, not the first pick, not a top five pick, but the 15th. So it shows how deep the town is in this league. And the majority of our players are still American. Roughly 70% of the league are Americans. So, you know, I think if anything, that rash of international MVPs has gotten the attention of youth development in the US and the programs, or whether that's just happenstance or there's a better job we all need to do collectively. No question there's enormous talent coming out of the US this current draft is an example. And I think on the eight different champions in eight years, that wasn't our goal per se. The goal over time has been, you know, I've said it to be more NFL, like, where you believe your team has a shot. You know, it may be not every single season, but your view is regardless of the market size, if your team is well managed, if you have a little bit of luck in there, that you have a good chance to be in the playoffs and potentially be the champion. And so I think what we've seen is societal changes. I think that nobody's going to say that Victor Wembanyama in San Antonio can't get global attention because it's a smaller market. I think I love the fact this year, even San Antonio versus New York, I don't think the storyline was small market versus big market. It was, you know, Wemby versus, you know, Jalen or whatever else. And so I think the players recognize they can have success regardless of where they are. And I also think that the changes we've made in the cba, you know, that, that we've. It's still a soft cap system, but there's so called second apron. You know, we want a better distribution of the players and we're seeing that. But. But having said that, my goal sitting here isn't to ensure we have yet a ninth different champion next year. I think if there's roughly parity of opportunity and through strong management and great players, teams can repeat. That's great too. I just think that fans want a sense that it's not top heavy as it was historically in the NBA. Remember, three teams won 60% of the championships over the first 65 years of this league. And you know, David Stern used to joke, you know, when he first became commissioner, you were just going back and forth from Boston to L A. That was the job. And I think, you know, as much as, and I get that question all the time, like, oh, aren't dynasties great? They're great. I think depending on how they're formed. I don't think fans are as enthusiastic about them if one team is spending drastically more than another team. So I like where we are and I'm not rooting for either one of those trends to continue. But, but again, I think going into this coming season, new talent coming into league, a lot of deep talent around the league. You know, I think there will be teams that are favored, but I think more fans will believe in their teams and their teams have a legitimate shot to win.

[Dan Patrick]

What has kept you up at night before an NBA topic?

[Adam Silver]

Always the sports betting stuff. I mean, no question about it. I mean both, you know, when it was illegal it kept us up and when it's legal it keeps us up. I mean, in some ways, you know, you can better monitor it when it's legal, but a lot of the bad stuff is happening illegally. But I think given the prevalence of enormous amount of sports betting in our society, and by the way, it's now it's the prediction markets too. Those are really sports betting platforms. I mean everybody has a lot of chatter around predictions, around wars and elections and things. But the majority of the money on those platforms is around sports. So. And that's not regulated state by state, that's federal. And then I'm always reminding people, in a global sport like ours, last I counted there was something like 85 other countries that had legal sports betting, legalized sports betting on the NBA. So there's no way we're going to turn the clock back on that. You know, we're constantly looking at new ways to monitor activity. You know, even lines around the world, you can still pay attention to them. And if there's sort of strange line movements, try to figure out what's going on. Continue educating our players and everyone involved in the game on the dire consequences of betting. But that's definitely something that keeps me up.

[Dan Patrick]

Tanking or flopping, what do you spend more time on?

[Adam Silver]

Well, this season we spent more time on tanking and we came up with a new system going into next season which just in short, largely flattens the odds for the non playoff teams and presumably will disincentivize teams from that sort of behavior. I mean there's no question it got out of hand, you know, and we want the focus to be on winning games. And I think that's what's going to change. It'll be really interesting next season because we'll be going into a world we've never been in before where there's essentially no incentive to be at the bottom. In fact, you know, we, we have a concept we're calling draft relegation. Sort of you're actually odds of getting a top pick go down if you're one of the bottom three picks. So, you know, was very focused on that. This year flopping started to get more attention. Early rounds of the playoffs this year, that's something we have a competition committee meeting in Las Vegas for two days. We'll, we'll, we'll certainly be spending a lot of time on that. I mean, I think that the concept in terms of flopping, I mean, historically in the league for us it was when a player snapped his head back and then you saw on video replay maybe often after the game, that the other player didn't even touch him, et cetera, looked like the player was shot out of a rocket, etc. And wasn't even touched. You know, as I've said, you know, recently, I think what modern flopping is often more about players trying to sell calls to officials. They're taught that in certain circumstances, so in many cases it actually is a foul, but you could argue they're overreacting to it. And I think we gotta spend time looking at where that line is, where it's just in some cases just a non call, you know, and historically, if a player chose to fall to the ground but nothing was called and the ball's still in play, it's just a disadvantage to his team. And the thought was players just going to get up and it's going to stop doing that if the officials aren't rewarding them for that behavior. But I also, you know, I'm listening to fans and I think to a certain, maybe to a large extent, fans don't necessarily want to see guys falling down on every play. So that's something we'll pay more attention to this summer.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I brought this up. It feels like the WNBA allows play on more than the NBA does. It feels like these guys are really skilled at. I'm going to draw contact and I'm going to let you know that I'm drawing contact where the WNBA might be a little more lenient. And I don't know if that's fair as a blanket to put over it, but I, I see a lot of WNBA games as well.

[Adam Silver]

Yeah, it's, it's, it's an interesting comment. I mean, one thing I've learned, I mean that the woman's game is just different than the men's game. I mean, ultimately, Monty McCutcheon is overseeing the entire officiating program. So there are different WNBA officials and in certain cases different managers of those officials. But overall, the total, in totality, the program's overseen by the same people. So again, I think lessons learned for us over the years Too, just in different approaches to the women's game and the men's game, it's just. It's just played differently to a certain extent. But you may be right. I mean, again, I think that, you know, the direction to the officiating crew over the last few years has been sort of to recalibrate a bit, to allow a more physical defense. We don't necessarily want to go back where, you know, it was sort of brute force defense. You and I remember those years, and in some cases, less from a skill standpoint, it was just more physicality. And I don't necessarily think people want that, but I think the fans and the players like to be able to play physical defense. And so to the extent then that, you know, a player is just falling down or whatever else is a result of that, I think in most cases, you know, fans just want to see the flow of the game. They don't want the constant stoppage in play. So it's always just looking to find that right balance.

[Dan Patrick]

Is there anything you need from me before we. Before we say goodbye?

[Adam Silver]

Maybe just to promote the draft tonight? ABC and espn.

[Dan Patrick]

I've been doing that Eastern. Yeah. Who took away my voting privileges?

[Adam Silver]

Commissioner, you know, there's a guy named Mike Bass, head of communications. He's off camera right over there, I think. Have your folks talk to him.

[Dan Patrick]

I mean, there aren't many guys like me still hanging around.

[Adam Silver]

Commissioner, I didn't know your voting privileges were taken away.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, they were. I think when I left him over there, I think we left. When I left espn, apparently, NBA left me as well.

[Adam Silver]

All right, I'm gonna look into that one.

[Dan Patrick]

If David Stern was still around, I'd have my. I'd have my vote, maybe.

[Caller]

True.

[Dan Patrick]

Can you yell at somebody right now? Can you yell at Mike Bass right there? Mike.

[Adam Silver]

My. My media training is such that it's saying, like, don't.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you. Good to talk to you again.

[Adam Silver]

Good to see you, Dan.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, that's Adam Silver. He'll restore my voting privileges. And you know what? I didn't even think of it. I mean, I do talk a lot about it. I did get to vote, and I, you know, viewed it truly as a privilege, just like the Heisman. And Paul goes, why don't you have a vote? I go, I'll be damned. Why don't I have a vote? I'm gonna get some of my best people on that.

[Paul]

Yes, Paul, I know what's gonna happen now, because I know you now. They're gonna say, you have a vote. And you're gonna like. I don't know if I want to vote. I want to be more.

[Dan Patrick]

No, no, no. I do want to vote.

[Paul]

You do want it?

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, I do want to vote.

[Paul]

Do you want me to follow up on this?

[Dan Patrick]

Yes.

[Paul]

Okay.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, yes. How about we take a break? We'll get to phone calls, update our poll results. We're back after this.

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[Covino]

hey everyone, it's Kal Penn. I'm the host of Irsay, the Audible and iheart audiobook club. This week on the podcast, I am sitting down with Ray Porter, the narrator of Andy Weir's audiobook project, Hail Mary, Massive sci fi adventure about survival and science and what happens when you wake up alone, very far from Earth.

[Ray Porter]

I really had to make a decision because I caught myself getting that frog in my throat and starting to get teary as I'm narrating some of these sections. And it's like, okay, yo, yo, yo, is this indulgent? And I really thought about it. I was like, no, at this point it would kind of be betraying the trust the author and the listener have in telling this story, if I don't go through it. But there's places in this book that that deeply, emotionally affected me. And I left it on the mic. That's great because it served the story. People will say like, oh, my God, I cried at the end. It's like, yeah, dude, me too.

[Covino]

Listen to Irsay the Audible and iHeart audiobook club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dan Patrick]

You know, the commissioner made it sound like. Now, once again, I'm gonna take some poetic license here that Vegas and Seattle are a done deal. It's not a question of if it's going to happen, but when it's going to happen. And it looks like it's going to be 20, 28. And these are the only two cities that he mentioned. And then you're probably going to move either Memphis or Minnesota to the Eastern Conference Finals. This has been talked about. I have a friend who deals in transactions. He pits, you know, he has two parties, and one wants to sell and one wants to buy. And he usually gives me price tags on certain teams. And he mentioned this a couple of years ago. You were looking at probably an entry point of $7 billion to get an NBA team, certainly in Vegas. Vegas, he thought, might go for upwards of nine, maybe $10 billion. I think the Golden Knights owner has put in a bid to bring the NBA team to Las Vegas. But this is not a question of if, but when they're going to have NBA teams in Seattle and Vegas.

[Paul]

Yeah, Paulie, I did find this because there's been a little bit of scuttlebutt on the Internet. If Seattle gets an expansion team with the NBA, can it be named the supersonics or did their history go to Oklahoma City? It's a little bit of both. If you look up on basketball reference, the Oklahoma City Thunderstorm history includes the Sonics. But in the deal that sent the Sonics to Oklahoma City, the city of Seattle retains the right to use supersonics in a new team.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Paul]

Which is fantastic.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, you can have the history book. I mean, you got Kevin Durant was there and then you got him in okc. But now I always believe when a team leaves another city that that city still gets to retain that name just in case you get another team. Also, the flopping part of this, the flopping part, it really feels like it's just Shea, Gilgis, Alexander. I mean, a little bit of Jalen Brunson. But SGA is the face of flopping. I Still think that if, if you let these guys play a little bit. And I, I truly believe the WNBA allows more playthrough than the NBA does. I don't want to see a great player go to the free throw line. I want to see a great player score baskets. But nobody wants to see somebody go to the free throw line. Nobody. And it's almost like you're rewarding that. I think if somebody falls and you don't call anything, that player looks pretty silly. But I don't know how you demo this where you have somebody come in and then you're like, okay, we're gonna call that, but we won't call that. Let's create scenarios. Do you use AI do you know some kind of form of. Let's look at this and see what we're seeing. And everybody sees the same picture here. It's just like past interference. There was a time where we're like, oh, my God, they call past interference on every play. And then, you know, the officials learned, players learned. And then it kind of changed. Oh, there's holding on every call. And then all of a sudden the players learned and the officials learned. Hopefully that's what happens here. Because it's a shame that SGA is going to be known as a guy who flopped because he's so much more than that. But James Harden, same way. But he'll be remembered for. Well, he'll be remembered for a couple of things. Yeah. Dylan.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Dylan]

I think it's like you want to police it, but you don't want to add to the slowing down of the game either. It's like, how do you in real time kind of do it? Which it's ultimately a very subjective penalty, like PI or holding in football.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, that's. It's. There are certain officials who are going to call it one way. Certain officials. This is, this is why I hated what baseball did. They empowered the umpires to have their strike zone. Like, no, no, no, there's a strike zone. Not your interpretation. It's our interpretation. And that's why, you know, umpires had the opportunity to police this a long, long time ago and they never did. It's like, ah, I'm going to give you that outside corner. I'm going to, you know, I'm not going to call a strike on that kind of pitch for you. You can't do that. You have to have uniformity there. And this is something that, you know, these other sports did to themselves. Randall in Virginia. Hi, Randall. What do you have for me today?

[Caller]

Hold on One second.

[Dan Patrick]

Hey, Randall. Randall.

[Caller]

Yeah. Hey, Dan. Sorry about that. Thanks for taking my call again.

[Dan Patrick]

Did I interrupt something there?

[Caller]

Yeah, I was on a. I was on. On a meeting call. I'm doing onboarding for a new job that I just got, so. Unfortunate timing.

[Dan Patrick]

But you can stay with the call. I mean, I don't want anything to happen here.

[Caller]

No, no, it's. It's fine. But I was on video call, too, so they just saw me throw my phone away to pick up your call. But anyway, real quick, I wanted to mention the Lionel Messi comps that you mentioned. Marvin Kind of stole my thunder, because I was going to say Steph Curry seems to always be around the ball. Also had some football comps. Ed Reed and Troy Palomalo, they always seem to have a knack to be around the ball whenever it needed to be. I feel like Lionel Messi. You watch him. He's just strolling, and he. Some, Somehow, some way seems to find the ball, so.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, well, good luck with your job there. Thank you. Thank you, Randall. Yeah, the beauty with Messi is that he just sort of lingers. He just. There, there, there, and then it happens so quickly. Like it's. It's almost like a. A snake bite. It's just there. It's there and then, boom. It gets you. Yes, Mark.

[Ray Porter]

He's almost like Joker in a way, because they're not relying on just pure athleticism.

[Adam Silver]

Almost like Joker.

[Todd]

Like, man, when he gets 40, he'll still be playing the exact same way because there's not a lot of athleticism. Not saying Messi isn't, but he's not just using raw athleticism to get all the goals.

[Dan Patrick]

J.J. in Florida. Hi, J.J. what do you have for me?

[Caller]

Good. Thanks, Dan. I love rock and roll. I love the Beatles and the Stones and Led Zeppelin and Rush. But there is one American band that I dislike intently. Fact I would say abhor, and that is the Grateful Dead. Can't stand them. I agree with you completely. Sorry, Dylan.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. Why do you hate the Grateful Dead? I don't even know why I'm asking this question, but I'm going to. Jj. Why do you hate the Grateful Dead?

[Caller]

I just don't like their music. They don't make music. It's just sound. I don't like the voice. I don't like the guitar. I don't like the songs. There's no redeeming quality.

[Dan Patrick]

All right. Would you like to respond, Dylan?

[Dylan]

Oh, I don't know if JJ has ears, but they certainly make music. And some of the best. I mean, Jerry Garcia is undeniably one of the best guitar players and most influential, unique guitar players of all time. Bob Weir is probably the best rhythm guitar player of all time. They both have great vocals, etc. You want to go deeper. Phil Lesh, one of the. Kind of. One of the originators of having, like, a dominant bass line.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, they had to bring in John Mayer to kind of spice things up a little bit.

[Dylan]

Well, Jerry died, and there's been other versions. There's further, you know, Bob, Weird Rat dog, Jerry.

[Dan Patrick]

Jerry died a while ago.

[Dylan]

Died the year I was born.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. That's a long time ago. Well, not years ago.

[Dylan]

Not according to you when it comes to music knowledge. Apparently 30 is too young, Dan.

[Dan Patrick]

It is. It is. Yes. Yes. Paul.

[Paul]

It's interesting because I want to be objective here. A great band or an influential band. It's almost like what you talk about with Steph Curry. I'm not sure because I'm not an expert on what the influence of the Grateful Dead is, but you mentioned REM earlier, and REM And Rolling Stone magazine. They were the first college band to break, and a lot of other bands followed right through. So I think that's their influence.

[Dan Patrick]

R.E.M. is.

[Caller]

Okay.

[Dan Patrick]

Maybe I'll just take out the comparison. Okay. We won't compare. I'll just say REM Is an incredible band. Incredible. Now you can say, well, did they influence other bands or what? Yes, they did. Yeah. Darius owes his entire career to R.E.M. he says that. I'm sure Dave Matthews was influenced by them. Yes. Dylan.

[Dylan]

If you ask Dave Matthews, they're more influenced by the Grateful Dead than REM I would almost bet my life on it.

[Dan Patrick]

Are you going to bet, truly bet your life? Oh, that's a good.

[Dylan]

You can kill me if the answer is wrong.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, let me text Dave Matthews and say, more influenced by. You know what? I. I will try to do that during the break. I will. I will text Dave Matthews and see if he'll tell me who he was more influenced by, the dead or R.E.M. yes, Paul.

[Paul]

And Dylan will be the Dead if he's wrong.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, he will be very dead. Let me see, what else do we have here? Terry in Seattle. Hi, Terry. What do you have for me?

[Caller]

Hey, good morning, Dan and Dan. Hey. I just wanted to call in and give a shout out to Linda Cohn, who just announced her retirement from the mothership. After 34 years of some great broadcasting and being 68 years old, I feel like I've listened to her and you for half My life and it's been great.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, thank you. Maybe we'll have Linda Cohn on on Friday. Todd White, you see if Linda cone can join us. Long illustrious career and more sports centers than anybody. I think they round tabulated around 5,000 there. Brett in Florida. Hi, Brett. What do you have for me?

[Caller]

Adp Dan. That's great show as always. You're the best interviewer I've ever listened. Get the voting privileges back. Dylan, Palm Beach, Florida hat. Gotta give you props with the Dylan Swordsby jersey yesterday. I'm calling in regards to three things. Yes, if he's healthy, you say we have players to be named later. Andrew Wiggins, Bobby Portis. No one, Norwin Powell. And I don't think Pat Riley's necessarily done right now. The interview with Adam Silver. Phenomenal. And the fact that Wyndham Clark could win the US Open with the entire course booing him on that course is remarkable.

[Dan Patrick]

I agree. I agree. Thank you for the phone call, Brett. Yeah, so a lot of different things sprinkled in there, but thank you for the compliment. Nate in Richmond. So I just text Dave Matthews. I don't know where he is on his tour, but random question, were you more influenced by the Grateful Dead or Aria? I'll let you know. Don't know. I'm sure he's touring. He's always touring. Nate Richmond. Hi, Nate. What do you have for me?

[Caller]

Lost count. Long time. I've been around soccer and football my whole life and I found out the new terminology yesterday. So the fun fact of the day here, if you score two goals, it's a brace. Three obviously is a hat trick, four is a hole, and five is the glute.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, I wasn't aware of that. How many five goal games have we had in World cup history? Have we had a five goal game by an individual? But thank you for the lingo there. So four is whole and then five is gluten.

[Paul]

I think four is a haul. Oh, that's what I've read.

[Dan Patrick]

Whole a hole. He scored a hole of goals. And then five is glute.

[Paul]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Like maximus.

[Paul]

Like. Like glutenous.

[Dan Patrick]

Gluttonous.

[Adam Silver]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Or gluttonous.

[Paul]

Yeah, I'm looking for most. Most goals scored in a single game.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, how about we take a break? Last call for. Oh, Linda Cohn is going to join us on Friday.

[Caller]

All right.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, Todd.

[Todd]

You're welcome.

[Dan Patrick]

Nobody, nobody can hear your head when you nod.

[Todd]

Oh, you're just waiting for me to say you're welcome. I don't know you said what? You said enough. That required a response.

[Dan Patrick]

Why didn't. No, I didn't know if you were going to say, oh yeah, I got a hold of her. She's very excited.

[Adam Silver]

You know, she's very excited.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, Todd. All right, we'll take a break. Back after this.

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[Covino]

Hey everyone, it's Kal Penn. I'm the host of Irsay the Audible and IHEART Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast, I am sitting down with Ray Porter, the narrator of Andy Weir's audiobook project, Hail Mary Massive sci fi adventure about survival and science and what happens when you wake up alone, very far from Earth.

[Ray Porter]

I really had to make a decision because I caught myself getting that frog in my throat and starting to get teary as I'm narrating some of these sections and it's like, okay, yo, yo, yo, is this indulgent? And I really thought about it. I was like, no. At this point, it would kind of be betraying the trust the author and the listener have in telling this story if I don't go through it. But there's places in this book that that deeply, emotionally affected me. And I left it on the mic. That's great because it served the story. People will say like, oh my God, I cried at the end. It's like, yeah, dude, me too.

[Covino]

Listen to Hearsay, the Audible and iHeart audiobook club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Dan Patrick]

Paulie, with some downtime, decided to look how often the commissioners have been on this show.

[Paul]

Yeah, we're calling this, Dan, the commissioner Tracker, this show.

[Dan Patrick]

And when I was at espn.

[Paul]

No, just the new version of this show. So since.

[Dan Patrick]

So 20 years.

[Paul]

Yes, Commissioner Silver has been the commissioner since 2014. He's been on the show nine times. Dan.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, all right.

[Paul]

Rob Manfred, Major League Baseball, six times on this show, possibly seventh once in question. And the NFL commissioner, Roger Goodell. I'll let you guess.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, none with me.

[Paul]

None would be correct because we don't count it if another host is here.

[Dan Patrick]

But is it just a coincidence that when Ross Tucker hosted, he came on?

[Paul]

I don't think it is because, and I remember this pretty well, Fritz, he sent the request and he specifically said, we have a guest host who let them know. To be fair, that's Fritzi doing his job to let them know you're not in. And we got the yes back.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, man. How do I not take that personally?

[Paul]

Nah, he should.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, Todd.

[Todd]

Especially when they said to be clear. So it's not Dan hosting tour. It's gonna be someone other than Dan. So I said, yeah, okay, let's do 1120.

[Dan Patrick]

I mean, I, I, I'm fair. I'm fine with that. If they just say that commissioner doesn't like Dan, I get, then we won't bother them. Well, I don't. I tell you. I tell Todd. I said don't even bother with it. You know, I. I have a relationship with Manfred and Silver. I feel like I can ask them some questions, and they'll actually give me an answer. You know, if I don't have the NFL commissioner, then I'm the one show that he doesn't do. That's okay. Dylan. What?

[Paul]

This should help.

[Dan Patrick]

It doesn't matter, right? Like, he can't come on less than he's come on, right? Zero is zero. And don't do this. Promise me. Look at me. I don't want the commissioner on the last show that I do. I don't want that.

[Todd]

I will make a note. We could do the second to last day.

[Dan Patrick]

No.

[Todd]

Like that Thursday.

[Dan Patrick]

No, no, no, no. Yes, Paul.

[Paul]

I got to jump in here then to protect Fritzi. How about with no six months left? If the commissioner is not on the show by that point, the we rescind the invitation.

[Dan Patrick]

I know he's had an opportunity to come on. He has chosen not to come on. He goes on every show. I don't know what he's afraid of. I don't know why he doesn't like me, but no, no, no, no. We don't need him. If he comes on, great. I've shared the podium with him a few times. I'm harmless. Sometimes, yes, Todd, you ask tough questions

[Todd]

that require additional thought. There's no softballs, and that's probably part of what happens. It's like, you don't want to have to be put on the spot and answer questions of what people really want the answers to.

[Dan Patrick]

It always sounds good. You know, when I first started out, the mothership, it'd be like, oh, man, we're gonna have the commissioner on. And then, for the most part, they don't say anything. David Stern did, because I had a relationship with him, and I could poke him a little bit, but I've known Adam silver for over 30 years. 35 years, maybe. I remember when he worked at NBA Entertainment, and he's this is the only interview outside of ESPN that he was going to do today. But he also knows that I'll ask some questions that maybe you're uncomfortable or he's willing to answer Rob Manfred the same way. I appreciate that. I don't want to waste this audience time. I don't want somebody dancing around a topic here. And if you come on, you want to answer the questions, great. If you don't, it's okay. My career will be fine. It'll be complete. I don't need to go. Well, you know, the one that got away, Roger Goodell is a busy man. And if he wants to go on other shows, good for him. Whatever he's comfortable doing. Yes, Dylan.

[Dylan]

I wouldn't take it personally. I think it's just business.

[Dan Patrick]

Am I the Jalen Brown? It's just business. Yeah. Paulie.

[Paul]

I actually think Dylan is right. I think they, the NFL sometimes wants to play to the lane that is the easiest with interviews and not, you know, I'm saying that it's actually a total compliment.

[Dan Patrick]

I know, but it's almost like I wish they would just say to Todd, hey, Todd, he's not going to go on with Dan then, and just say ever, period. And it's okay. There. There are people who don't come on the show for, you know, a variety of reasons, probably most notably the questions that are asked. That's okay. Huh? I. I don't know if I would be going on a show where I had to answer questions that, you know, I was uncomfortable. I mean, even with Windham Clark, I wasn't dancing around the crowd. But I'm sure there were people, handlers saying, you know, can let's not spend so much time on the crowd at the US Open. Well, that was just the story. I mean, he fought through that. That. That was an important part of him winning that championship. Yes.

[Dylan]

Dylan, Is there a one that got away in the guest department? Obviously not Goodell, but, you know, anyone

[Dan Patrick]

else, well, you would want Jordan on. And, and you know what? I don't rule that out. I think maybe at the end, end of the, you know, career, maybe Mike will join us.

[Todd]

Yes, Tom, it could be a coincidence if you're not available all the time. Just sometimes, just every single specific day and time I'm looking at it. Just not a good winner.

[Dan Patrick]

You are right.

[Todd]

Can you do something? 3:00am on Thursday.

[Dan Patrick]

Who. Who has their number one pick tonight? Who goes number one? Todd?

[Todd]

That would be AJ Debancer.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, Dylan.

[Dylan]

Gotta go with the odds. I'm going To Bansa.

[Dan Patrick]

All right. Marvin Debant. Paul.

[Paul]

Yeah, the same.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I'm gonna say Debancer. That makes the most sense. But that doesn't mean that's what the Wizards do this day in sports history.

[Paul]

Paul, just one for you, Dan. President Nixon in 1972 signed Title 9 Act into law.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, there it is. Let's see. 1963, Jimmy Pearsall hit his 100th career home run. He circled the bases backwards. They allowed the home run to count, but he got ejected from the game. 2016. On this day, the 76ers select Ben Simmons. Most goals in a World Cup. Paul, anybody have five?

[Paul]

Five happened once. Oleg Solenko of Russia against Cameroon in 94. Five goals.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, let's go around the room. Todd, you learn anything today?

[Todd]

I learned from you. Do not underestimate Pat Riley as he went big game hunting once again bringing the Greek freak to Miami.

[Dylan]

Dylan, I never thought I'd say this, but my fate is in Dave Matthews hands.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. I haven't heard back from him.

[Todd]

Marvin, you take it one season at a time.

[Dan Patrick]

Paul, what'd you learn today?

[Paul]

Shiny happy people.

[Dan Patrick]

That's a bad song. God, what did I learn?

[Todd]

ESPN's Vincent Goodwill says the Bucks got about as much as they could for Giannis, who was going to leave anyway.

[Dan Patrick]

Have a great day, everybody. We'll chat with you tomorrow.

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