Hour 3 – Albert Breer

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Patrick Show – Hour 3 with Albert Breer

Release Date: April 17, 2025

Overview

In this engaging episode of The Dan Patrick Show hosted by iHeartPodcasts and Dan Patrick Podcast Network, Dan Patrick is joined by Albert Breer, a senior NFL reporter and lead content strategist at MMQB, along with regular contributors Lavar Arrington, Brady Quinn, and Jonas Knox. The discussion primarily revolves around the upcoming NFL Draft, Albert Breer's recent article on quarterback Shador Sanders, and the evolving dynamics of draft invitations and locations. The conversation is infused with humor and insightful analysis, making it a must-listen for sports enthusiasts.

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1. NFL Draft Dynamics and Shador Sanders' Article

Albert Breer opens the discussion by addressing his recent article on quarterback Shador Sanders. The conversation delves into the NFL's potential strategy to invite later-round draft prospects, not just first-round talents.

• Albert Breer (00:19:49): "I think that as much as anything else, teams look at it and say, 'We need to take care of this once and for all now.'"

Dan Patrick adds that the number of quarterbacks perceived as first-round talents is lower this year, leading teams to be more cautious with their picks.

• Dan Patrick (00:21:59): "This is the year that number's low... quarterbacks get pushed in the first round more than any other position."

Notable Quote:

• Albert Breer (00:20:05): "I think when you write the truth, you know, I think you're okay."

2. Impact of Draft Location on Event Appeal

Lavar Arrington and Brady Quinn express their opinions on the NFL Draft location changes, emphasizing the loss of allure when moving away from traditional venues like New York City.

• Lavar Arrington (00:02:58): "They are having a hard time getting more people to want to go to the draft. Is that in essence what it is?"

• Brady Quinn (00:07:07): "If it was New York, you would have more cachet. More draw. More reason to want to go to the draft."

Quinn nostalgically recalls the draft's vibrant atmosphere in New York, comparing it to the Super Bowl's allure in Las Vegas.

Notable Quote:

• Brady Quinn (00:10:11): "I think they flopped on moving both the Pro Bowl and moving the NFL draft."

3. Influence of NIL on Draft Participation

Dan Patrick discusses the rise of NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) and its effect on young athletes' decisions to participate in draft events.

• Dan Patrick (00:04:03): "These kids nowadays can stay at home because they can make money off it... If they're not paying these kids to be a part of their reality TV show, why not try to stay at home?"

He highlights how financial incentives previously encouraged players to attend the draft, which might be diminishing due to new opportunities.

4. Analysis of Key Draft Prospects

The hosts analyze several quarterback prospects, including Ashton Genty, Arch Manning, and Tyler Schuck, evaluating their strengths, weaknesses, and draft stock.

• Brady Quinn (00:34:05): "I've been telling everyone how great Ashton Genty has been... how should we be looking at where he's set up for this year's draft?"

• Dan Patrick (00:33:33): "He's a really, really good player and... where he goes just sort of depends on how you approach that position in general."

The discussion covers factors like performance consistency, injuries, and team needs that influence where these players might be drafted.

Notable Quote:

• Dan Patrick (00:34:42): "This draft doesn't have that sort of star power. You're going to have offensive linemen, you're going to have defensive linemen... It's going to be about storylines."

5. Potential Trades and Team Strategies

Albert Breer and Brady Quinn explore the likelihood of trades during the draft, especially concerning high-value picks and team-specific needs.

• Albert Breer (00:25:46): "What's the potential of them maybe moving back out of the pick if they don't have a need for an edge rusher like Abdul Carter?"

• Brady Quinn (00:28:05): "What does this mean for possibly making a move and you're at 4, but would you think that there's the possibility that they would try to maybe swap out with the Giants to maybe get Abdul Carter?"

They discuss how teams might balance their immediate needs with long-term strategies, potentially leading to significant trades.

Notable Quote:

• Dan Patrick (00:27:10): "If you're valuing this year's 15th pick like you would last year's fifth pick... it complicates things quite a bit."

6. Light-hearted Segments and Banter

Throughout the episode, the hosts engage in humorous exchanges and personal anecdotes, adding a relatable and entertaining layer to the discussion.

• Brady Quinn (00:44:17): "I'm a couch guy."

• Jonas Knox (00:45:19): "We've both been sleeping on the couch a lot lately."

These moments provide listeners with a break from the analytical segments, showcasing the camaraderie among the hosts.

7. Preview of Upcoming Segments

Albert Breer hints at future segments, including "Lee's Leftovers," which features personal and public stories released by executive producer Lee Dalap.

• Albert Breer (00:19:05): "We are going to have another edition of Lee's Leftovers... the shenanigans will ensue."

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Conclusion

This episode of The Dan Patrick Show offers a comprehensive and insightful analysis of the NFL Draft’s current landscape, highlighting key issues such as draft location changes, the impact of NIL on player participation, and detailed evaluations of emerging quarterback talents. Albert Breer's expertise provides depth to the discussion, while the hosts' engaging banter ensures the content remains both informative and entertaining. Whether you're a seasoned NFL follower or a casual sports fan, this episode delivers valuable perspectives on the drafting process and its broader implications.

Notable Mentions:

• Shador Sanders' Draft Status
• Impact of NIL on High School and College Players
• Ashton Genty, Arch Manning, Tyler Schuck Draft Prospects
• Potential NFL Draft Trades and Team Strategies

Listen to the full episode on iHeartRadio.

Transcript

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Albert Breer]

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[Brady Quinn]

Hell yeah.

[Albert Breer]

Hell yeah. So we are going to catch up with Albert Breer here coming up in about 20 minutes from now because you know he had a an article written about Shador Sanders. Maybe they're people he's talked to around the NFL. Maybe don't have him, you know, high up there on their list because of the tools and the traits and all that stuff. There's also this other story that's out there where according to Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk that the NFL may extend invitations to the draft for players who are projected to be selected later in the three day process. So that means it's not just the first round guys or a Will Levis who decides. You know what, Even though I'm going to go day two, I'm just going to go ahead and bail and get the hell out of here. It's going to be everybody else in the draft potentially getting invites. Go ahead and fill this whole thing out, which. Why wouldn't you? Yeah, like if this is a one once in a lifetime opportunity, why not open it up and let everybody share, even if they're not a day one pick and they go round two, three, etc. Etc. If you've got the room, why not make it happen?

[Lavar Arrington]

And this was all based on. They are having a hard time getting more people to want to go to the draft. Is that in essence what it is?

[Albert Breer]

Yeah, because more and more people are just like, I'll just do it at home, do my own thing.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Lavar Arrington]

Which. Okay, so let me just peel back the curtains. I, I still stand by this. And this is not a knock on Green Bay, Wisconsin or any other city that's hosted the draft, by the way. New York's different though. All right, folks. Like it's New York. There's something to that. There's certain cities that kind of have that I don't aura about it, however you want to put it, no different than when we had the super bowl in Las Vegas and when we walked away from that, everyone goes, this wouldn't be a bad sight to just have the super bowl here every year. Like, I think everyone would be excited about that. That was kind of the draft that used to be in New York. And when you were invited, when you went, it was one of the coolest experiences, one of the best weeks things that you, the way you're able to impact, you know, young kids lives even doing some, some different things too and meeting people around the NFL. The entire thing was awesome. Since they've moved it to me, it's, it's lost a bit of its luster. And if you want me to really peel back the curtain, one of the ways and one of the reasons why maybe more guys used to go to New York and like to go to New York was because a lot of these companies that are spending marketing dollars on these draft prospects were able to do media tours. It's the number one media market. So players would go ahead of time. Even players who would choose not to sometimes go to the draft or maybe they weren't invited. They would still go to New York. You would go through a bunch of, you know, different. It could be sitting in a conference room, doing a ton of different radio interviews. You could be going to different radio studios, going to different TV shows and places. You'd go to promote whatever product it is or brand that you're promoting. That was kind of part of it, and it got looped in as part of it. So you had a financial incentive to go. And that was back before nil. And so not to get in the weeds on this, but Lavar, we kind of talked about this yesterday, right? And my theory with Petros was, and even in regards to kind of the Nico situation and his family was that's all some of these kids know. You know, Jonas, 40 states now allow kids in high school to be paid nil. So if you really think about it, when parents have kids who show promise in junior high, they're already thinking dollar signs when they get to high school. That's how crazy this whole process has become. There's representation for high school kids. So if you, if you look at it from that standpoint and you really think about this, for example, if you go Back to the 2023 high school QB class going into college, this is the top eight quarterbacks. Arch Manning, Nico IO Maliava, Dante Moore, Jackson Arnold, Malachi Nelson, Jaden Rashada, Aiden Chiles, Austin Mack, every single one. But Arch Manning has transferred. And Arch probably could have, right? Like that was there for him. But in most cases, there was probably some sort of financial incentive to end up to go somewhere else based on where some of these top quarterbacks went to and was opportunity too. But it goes to show you, like, that's kind of the business of this. And so these generations now that are coming through high school to college, college to the NFL, you have to incentivize them. Like the NFL brought me in to consult after my draft day experience. Like, hey, what can we do to bring more guys here? We're having a hard time doing this. This is back in like 2009, 2010. And I said to him back then, I go, you need to create opportunities to, to pay them to be there. And that's just the truth. As much as it's a great experience. These kids nowadays, they can stay at home because they can make money off it. They can kind of sell it as a live TV show, a reality TV show, if you will, because that's what the NFL is doing. They're profiting off it. And so if they're not paying these kids to Be a part of their reality TV show, which is the draft. Why not try to stay at home, do it yourself? At least you're able to get something from it.

[Brady Quinn]

You know, I could see both sides of it, moving it around, trying to get exposure into different markets, create some excitement in the different markets of where the teams are. But I do think that there is something about establishing a destination. And if you're moving the destination, I don't know that it has as much appeal. If you had continued to build off of what you were doing at Radio City and you know, Madison Square Garden and how that all works and, you know, the pageantry of it and the history of it that's connected to it. Maybe, maybe this isn't the situation or the scenario that's being discussed. I really think that the longevity of success that was there for the NFL draft before all of this became a thing was based upon those very, those very elements. I mean, if you can recall how the draft was marketed, I mean, just seeing the different players and players that we grew up idolizing and were our heroes and showing that moment of when they got the call in the green room and what that looked like and putting the hat on and hugging your family and dapping up your agent or whatever it may be, and then going out onto the stage. I mean, and for what it's worth hugging the commissioner did not start with Roger Goodell, by the way. It's like this whole thing about Roger Goodell. The first person, I guess Gerald McCoy is credited with being the one who started the trend of hugging the commissioner when you get drafted. I don't know how true that is because I ton of people, every time you went on stage, hug Paul Tagliavu.

[Albert Breer]

Did you hug him?

[Brady Quinn]

Of course. Hell yeah. I just got hired by the NFL.

[Albert Breer]

Did you shake the hand and then pull him in for a hug or just go straight hug?

[Brady Quinn]

Uh, I shook his hand first.

[Albert Breer]

Okay.

[Brady Quinn]

And then I gave him a hug. Yeah. Good to see you. It was.

[Lavar Arrington]

I mean, it's Paul Taglaboo.

[Brady Quinn]

Yeah, yeah, it was, it was quite an experience. And I think it loses some of its luster when you take, take risk to expand and maybe make it more appealing or more sellable to two advertisers by going to different, you know, different venues. I mean, some of them are just meant to be where they're meant to be, if you ask me. Now, the super bowl has always been a move around deal, but the draft was, was situated and so was the Pro Bowl. And I think that, you know, you, you don't know until you know if it's going to be a success or a flop. But I feel like they're 2 for 2 on flopping and, and, and in some regards, moving both the Pro bowl and moving the NFL draft, just my take.

[Albert Breer]

So you don't like the draft being moved out of.

[Brady Quinn]

Not gonna say I don't like it being moved, but if you were to ask me which one would be. If you're asking me to show up, even as an alumni, you know, which I was invited to. To do the pick for the Commanders this year.

[Albert Breer]

Why didn't you go?

[Brady Quinn]

I don't want to do it. I don't want to do it. I'm gonna do the show here, and then I'm gonna fly out and go see the blue white game the next day. But I, I just didn't. I didn't feel any. Like, why do I want to go to Green Bay, Wisconsin? Damn. So I'm not trying to throw shade. I'm just saying I don't want to go. And I just. Not if it had been in New York and I had announced. I announced the pick in New York for the team as well. I think there's more cachet. I think there's more draw. I think there's more reason to want to go to the draft and be a part of that event if it's being held in a place like New York City.

[Margie Murphy]

So.

[Albert Breer]

So if it was New York, you.

[Brady Quinn]

Would have gotten thought about it. I would have gave it more thought than what I did for this.

[Albert Breer]

So it is a Green Bay thing.

[Brady Quinn]

I mean, it's not. I just don't. It is. It's. It's. You know what I mean? I don't want to go to Green.

[Albert Breer]

Bay, but it's like, that's it.

[Brady Quinn]

We're for a game. It's different. Right. If I'm going to Green Bay, that's one of the places you go for the pros to get an experience. But as far as going there for a draft, and I'm sure it's probably going to be a nice activation. I mean, NFL does a great job with their activations. It's not now. I'm not throwing shade. I'm just saying in general, is that more attractive? Is it more attractive to say we're moving it around and okay, you had a great one. You had a great pool when it went to Tennessee. Like, everybody that talks about the one that was in Tennessee, they rave about that one. And I think they felt like that was. It was going to be a consistent, constant deal that it would be as good in every other market. And it just hasn't been that I.

[Albert Breer]

I, man, I, I've heard nothing but good things about it, like, because it's been, it started in Chicago, went to Philly, it went to Dallas, it's been to Detroit.

[Brady Quinn]

Last year it people said Detroit's was nice. I just, I, I, again, I, I don't know the appeal of it. I could see how it could be appealing to want to go to a different market. But I, I just think, I just think if it's in New York and historical value of it, the market that it's in, I, I, I thought it was amazing as a player. I thought it was amazing when I went back as an alumni. I also thought it was equally amazing being in New York City for the draft.

[Albert Breer]

Well, just want to apologize to the city of Green Bay, you know, for its fine place. Lee's a big fan. All right, Lee. Lee went back and scored ducks out.

[Brady Quinn]

Of a claw machine and that was the highlight of his trip.

[Lavar Arrington]

Yeah, you know, what's we is I asked Lee if he made any friends if you're just in the event that we actually got invited to go there for the draft. And he, he said and again, this is just what he could remember from the trip. Lee, correct me if I'm wrong, but you did say you had you met a couple of friends who did say we could crash at their place if we were to come back for the draft. Now, when I asked you whether or not there are meth heads, your response was like, I honestly can't remember. So there was a bit of a concern there was a bit of a concern of who exactly invited you based on where you were when this all took.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm sure they were not meth heads.

[Jonas Knox]

But it's not like I would have.

[Brady Quinn]

Known if they were.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, I'm sure I could have made.

[Brady Quinn]

A guess, but certainly alcoholics. Oh, yeah, that's certainly alcoholics.

[Albert Breer]

Lee, were there burn marks on the bottom of their spoons? No, there were not.

[Dan Patrick]

They were very nice, very nice people on Green Bay.

[Lavar Arrington]

Certainly alcoholics.

[Albert Breer]

Let's all right, at the very least.

[Brady Quinn]

At the very least, we're definitely staring alcoholic down the lane, you know, down.

[Albert Breer]

The pipe that's the floor ceiling is methamphetamine.

[Lavar Arrington]

What's your best guess? Lavar, what was your best guess on.

[Brady Quinn]

What what they would be? Yeah, oh, 100 alcoholics, whatever else. I mean, to me after that, I cut it off after that because anything's possible after that.

[Lavar Arrington]

Yeah.

[Brady Quinn]

I didn't know, like, you wake up, dude standing over top of you with like a Miller Light or something like that. Like with some rusty boxer shorts on. Like, what are you doing, bro? Why are you standing there like that, by the way? I just don't want to find myself in a situation like that.

[Albert Breer]

This is not a reflection on Green Bay.

[Brady Quinn]

It's a reflection on Lee.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Brady Quinn]

And his friend groups.

[Dan Patrick]

That's fair. The.

[Albert Breer]

The company he keeps.

[Dan Patrick]

So.

[Brady Quinn]

Well, look. And I happen to look a little different than y'all, so I got to be extra careful, you know, I found myself in your situation, man. Y'all could try to gang up on me some. Some Pulp Fiction type action. Want to be part of that?

[Lavar Arrington]

The hell are you talking about?

[Brady Quinn]

I want to be a part of y silly games.

[Lavar Arrington]

The hell are you talking about, man?

[Albert Breer]

Z's dad, baby Ving. Right?

[Brady Quinn]

Yeah. I ain't going to get a hold of me. Not easily. Not easily. I tell you that. And I'm not going to put myself in the situation where I got to escape either.

[Albert Breer]

Oh, man, it is two pros and a cup of joe in for the Dan Patrick show here on Fox Sports Radio. Lavar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox of the U. Coming up next here, though, we are going to tell you here live from the tire.com studios how, you know, somebody might have stepped in it. You know, somebody might have stepped in it. They are simply passing along the message on a top prospect in the draft and it's sure to make some people very, very pissed off. We'll get into that for you right here on fsr.

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[Albert Breer]

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[Albert Breer]

It's the Dan Patrick show here at Fox Sports Radio. Levar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox in for Dan and the guys coming up in a little over 20 minutes from now here from the tire rack.com studios. We are going to have another edition of Lee's Leftovers. For those of you that are not familiar. It's where our executive producer, Lee Dalap has stories both personal, both public, and he just releases them all on the air. So the shenanigans will ensue in about 20 minutes from now here on FSR. Right now, though, it is time to welcome in the star of Amazon Prime's Thursday Night Football coverage, senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist at the mmqb, and our buddy, you can get him on X at Albert Brer ab. What's happening? Good morning to you.

[Brady Quinn]

Hello, Albert.

[Dan Patrick]

What's up guys? How we doing?

[Brady Quinn]

All right.

[Albert Breer]

Good. Have you gotten any pushback or flack regarding your article that you wrote about and your piece about Shador Sanders from earlier this week?

[Dan Patrick]

Not much, no. I mean, I think, you know, I think when you write the truth, it, you know, I think you're okay. So I haven't gotten any major pushback on what I wrote about him, though.

[Albert Breer]

So the Sanders camp hasn't come after you and. Well, yeah, no, I mean, I go.

[Dan Patrick]

To Boulder, but I think, I think they're starting to realize, like, they're starting to realize what is real and what's not here. And I do think, like, again, I've said this to you guys for over a month, I think. Right. Like that. I, I don't think, like, I don't think that a lot of the league views him as a first round talent. And I'm not telling you that that means he's not going to wind up having a great NFL career and be a top 10 quarterback. All that. Like, I don't know, you know, I don't know what that's going to become. What I can tell you is what is right now. And what is right now is a lot of these teams look at it and say, I wouldn't, I wouldn't take them in the first round even if I needed a quarterback. So a lot like Bonix last year, I think this is going to come down to some team seeing them as a fit, more so than other teams would.

[Lavar Arrington]

Okay. That being said, though, and you've done this for a long time, how many prospects, though, get pushed up into the first round? Like, I find it hilarious that there's always like 50 guys who are going to be first round picks, at least based on what the agents are telling them. Right. And in reality, most teams probably don't have 32 first round grades on all the prospects. They end up drafting them the first round, but they don't have a first round grade on them. So if Shador Sanders is looked at in some people's minds as the number two quarterback, you know, how many quarterbacks then at this point even have a first round? Is it just Cam Ward at this point? And then how many players in general are. Do you think are really have first round grades that teams are saying, yeah, but you know, they don't have rounds, Gabe, but we're going to take in the first round.

[Dan Patrick]

No, it's a good point, Brady. Like, I think this is this year that number's low. You know what I mean? Like, and even in a great year, you guys know this like the, the number might be 20, 22, 24, right? Like, I think this year that number is probably closer to like 12 or 13 for some teams. Like where. And look like some of it is like, you know, like they're going to different teams gonna look at different guys different ways, so they're not going to come off the board the same way. There's not the consensus that people think there is. Like, after you get past the first couple of guys, you know, like, there's going to be disagreement from team to team based on fit, based on like, what your doctors say, based on all those things. Right? So. So yeah, like, that number, that number is low. And quarterbacks get pushed in the first round more than any other position. So that's definitely something you have to take into account here, is that teams get desperate and it's the most important position on the field. And, you know, like, in some cases, owners can get involved saying, like, we have to come away with a quarterback come hell or high water, you know, and it's how, you know, it's how Christian Ponder winds up going 12th overall. Nuts pick on him. It's how EJ manual winds up going 16th overall. You know, I think you'd argue it's how Kenny Pickett was in the first round a couple years ago. You know, it's like, if you're predetermining that we have to take a quarterback in a certain year, well, that doesn't automatically mean there's going to be one worthy of going where you're picking, you know, but sometimes, sometimes teams will look at it and say, you know what? Like, we need to take care of this once and for all now. And I'd argue that's often when the mistakes are made.

[Brady Quinn]

With all that being said, AB they did bring in three quarterbacks to work out in New York. Is That, I mean, is that posturing? Is that.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Brady Quinn]

Okay, let me know.

[Dan Patrick]

So, so I would tell you, lavar, I think this goes back to the fall, right? Like, and, and one thing I think that was very clear, like starting in the fall was how much work the Giants were going to do on quarterbacks. And they did a ton. And so they got, you know, I know people have said, oh, they were, they were around Shador a lot in the fall. They were around all these guys a lot in the fall. So, I mean, there are even a few guys that didn't come out that, that were in that category. Drew Aller at Penn State and Garrett Nussmeier, you know, at LSU and Carson Beck at Georgia now at Miami. Like, they were around those guys a ton during the fall because they knew quarterback was going to be need for him and they wanted to really dive in and get to know the class really well. So, like, this is the last piece of that and I think they will take a quarterback somewhere, but I don't think that the likelihood right now is they take it third overall. They did work out Jackson Dart about a month ago. They worked him out in mid March. So like, that was the first. The private workouts they did. And you know, now they're getting these three done here at the end and being with Shador today, Jalen Millereau tomorrow, and Tyler Schuck on Saturday. So, I mean, they've run the gamut with all these guys. And you know, I think reading into it as like, this is like a new level of interest or this is like some sort of renewed interest, like, I think as much as anything else. And this is, you know, something I wrote the other day. This is John Mara basically saying to his guys, like, if we're going to pass on a quarterback at three, like, let's make sure we know what we're passing on. I mean, you may remember seven years ago, they didn't make a mistake taking Saquon Barkley second overall, but Josh Allen was under consideration there, you know, and, and, and so, you know, if they wind up passing on, on Josh Allen at that point, you know, I think part of it for the, for the, for, for the Marist, you know, again is, well, you know, if we're, if we're not taking a quarterback history with this crime we have, with this pick that we have, then we need to be damn sure we know, know these guys inside. Now before we do it, Albert, as.

[Albert Breer]

Far as the Giants go, because we were talking about that earlier, is what's the potential of them, you know, maybe moving back out of the pick if they don't have a need for an edge rusher like an Abdul Carter, maybe there's a team that desperately wants him or is interested in in that as being their pick. So have you heard any teams specifically that have called or any teams to keep an ey on that could potentially be moving?

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I don't know that anybody's coming. I mean, I think it's. I think it's hard logistically this year because you can take the draft value chart and throw it out this year. The reason why, at least at the very top of the draft, the reason why is because after Hunter and Carter, there's this feeling that the picks you'd be making there, whether it's Will Campbell or Jalen Walker or Mason Graham or any of these guys, Tyler, Warren, Ashton, Genty, like a lot of those guys would probably be picking 15th or 20th last year. Right. Like so like if you're the Giants or Browns, you're looking at it and you're there two and three was two guys on the board that are legitimate blue chip guys and you're saying, all right, well if we're going to move out of here, going down to 6 this year would be like going down to 20 last year. And if that's the case, well then like aren't you going to ask for more from those teams and are those teams willing to pay that premium to come and move up? I think that complicates things quite a bit.

[Brady Quinn]

I would ask my, my. I guess maybe not my final question, but I'm curious about. I made the point earlier A.B. you know, the New England Patriots are and let me know if I'm accurate or off. I didn't know if I was off or not, but it sounds like Mike Vrabel is interested in TJ Watt because negotiations aren't going very well in Pittsburgh if that is the case. Well, what does this mean for possibly making a move and you're at 4, but would you think that there's the possibility that they would try to maybe swap out with the Giants to maybe get Abdul Carter if they don't get a TJ Watt? I mean hearing that they want TJ Watt would come across to me as you are placing a very, very high priority on the idea of getting that. That position. Correct.

[Dan Patrick]

Right, right. So like I think Jalen Walker is somebody that be in the mix for them too at four, you know, and it's you're juxtaposing that against like what they the crying need they have for a tackle, right, like, to help protect their young quarterback. So, you know, whether that's, you know, Will Campbell or Arm On Menbu or Kelvin Banks, whatever, you know, like, I. I think that that's sort of the. The internal debate you're talking about that's probably happening there now. I don't know. They would give up. I mean, they just. I think the problem for them is they just have too many needs to be giving up a ton of capital to go up a spot. And, you know, if they were to, say, give up both their third round picks to go up a spot, well, then, you know, that's where the strength of this year's draft is. And I think that complicates it a little bit, too, is like, I think most teams look at it and say, okay, like, you know, 1 to 20 isn't as strong as it usually is, but, like, 20 to 70 is pretty good, you know, and so if you have. If you have a good amount of capital, you know, there on Friday, the draft there in round two and three, you feel pretty good about that. So do you want to give up that capital to fill, you know, the number of needs that you have on the roster to jump one spot? I think it's a fair question to ask, you know, and then, like, what, again, what does it take the Giants to move down from. From. From, you know, taking. From taking Abdul Carter at 3 to maybe taking, like, say, Mason Graham at 4. Like, how do they view that? I think all of that's part of the equation.

[Lavar Arrington]

Albert, I want to ask about Tyler Schuck. It seems like he's gotten a lot of positive momentum since Diana or Cena came out and said. She had one NFL head coach who said he. They like him best of any of these quarterbacks. Is he kind of that surprise guy that could end up going in the first round we're not talking about.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I mean, I think he's. I don't think it's crazy to think, like, he could, like, somebody could trade into the bottom of the first round. I, like, I think, like, all these guys, like, there's just like, a wide range of outcomes for all of them. Like, where I could see shot going end of the first round, I could see him sliding a little in the second round, you know, like, I. And he's. He's a fascinating one because he's got a lot of things some of these other guys don't, you know what I mean? He's got the size, he's got A big arm. You know, he's a. He's a good athlete. He ran 4 6, I believe. Right. Like, so, like, he's got a lot of the things you like, but he's going to be 26. He's got the clavicle injury. You know, he's had trouble staying in the field over the years. So, like, I think with each of these guys, there's something you got to kind of wrap your head around, you know, and like, okay, like, what am I okay working with? And the medical is going to be a big piece of it for Tyler Schuck. And I think the fact that he's a little older is something you have to be comfortable with, too. Ultimately, I think Cleveland would be an interesting team for him, and they're taking right there at the top of the second round, so we'll see where that goes. But I think he'd probably be right in that range. It'd be a surprise to me if he goes in the first round. But I certainly. You think. I don't think that's off the table. And I think he's, you know, like, I think he probably goes somewhere in the second round.

[Albert Breer]

Albert Brear joining us here on the Dan Patrick Show. You can get him on X at. Albert Brear, what's the real story behind Derek Carr's injury?

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, there's a lot there. I mean, the injury is two years old, so that's something to consider. Certainly, you know, so, like, you have that and then. And you know, on top of it, like, you know, there was one point in the off season when he was looking for a market correction to his contract. You know, then. Then, you know, does he want to be traded? That word sort of circulated around the league in early March. Then, you know, like, then they do the conversion on his contract, which, I mean, they didn't have. They didn't need to seek permission for that. Like, they had the automatic conversion in the contract, so they were able to do that unilaterally, but they still. They didn't really work with him on it, and so they just go and do that, which basically locks him into the team for this year. And now you hear like this injury thing all of a sudden is an issue. There's just. There's a lot going on there, I would say, and there's a lot to sort through for. For. For Derek Carr and the Saints. And I. I don't know the way this ends, but it certainly adds a layer to where they're at going into the draft. What they might do with the 9th overall pick what they might do on the Friday of the. Yeah, I think they were looking pretty heavily at quarterbacks to begin with. It'll be interesting to see if it affects their approach when they get to the actual draft.

[Brady Quinn]

You mentioned Saquon earlier going in the draft and I'm passing on Allen. What's your take? I've been telling the whole entire world for so long and I've just been ringing the bell and just trying to holler from every mountaintop that I can about Ashton Genty and his, his talent and I'm joking, I'm taking. Messing with Brady. Brady has actually been telling people how great Ashton Genti has been before he became maybe more so of a household name. How should we be looking at where he's at and how he's set up for this year's draft?

[Dan Patrick]

I've actually, I tried to ask people my conversations, like, how does he match up with the guys that have gone in that range at that position in recent years? So Saquon, Zeke Elliott, you know, Leonard Fournette, Christian McCaffrey. There aren't very many of them, you know, Dijon Robinson. So there aren't very many guys that have gone in that range. And I, the feedback I've gotten is like, he's maybe like a slight notch below that group of guys, you know, but he's a really, really good player. And because he's so clean, character wise, like you have like a idea of what you're going to get with him, right? So is he going to be the best back in football? I don't know. You know, because I think all those guys I mentioned, like we're seeing as like, okay, like this got a potential to be the best player at his position, but he's a damn good player and I think like where he goes just sort of depends on how you approach that position in general. I think this, this relates to Tyler Warren to some degree too where, you know, just really good player and you know, like it's, it's kind of, you know, going to come down to team's comfort level with, you know, spending top 10 picks on those positions.

[Albert Breer]

AB does it feel like this draft is lacking a little, little buzz?

[Dan Patrick]

I'll tell you what, if she door starts sliding, it won't.

[Albert Breer]

Okay.

[Dan Patrick]

All right.

[Albert Breer]

So that's what we're holding on.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I mean, like, I think, I think you're right. Like last year, if you remember, like the sexy positions were all, were loaded, right? Like you had quarterbacks, you had receivers. I Mean, it was. It was. And even if, like, you're talking about just premium positions in general with the offensive tackles that were there, I mean, last year was one of those years where it was like, if you need help at a premium spot, you can get it. It was a good TV draft, I would say, you know, like, with the three quarterbacks at the top six, in the top 12, and then, you know, Marvin Harrison, Malik Neighbors and Roma Dunz, they're in the top 10. This. This draft is not that way. So this draft doesn't have that sort of star power. You're going to have offensive linemen, you're going to have, you know, defensive lineman, I think pretty heavy in the first 20 picks or so. So, look, I think this draft's going to be about storylines, and one of the storylines is what happens with Shador. I think it's. I think one thing that is cool about it is because I'd say it flattens out. After the first two guys, like, after Hunter and Carter, you're going to kind of get to a point where I think it's going to be pretty unpredictable. And so there could be some curve balls and certain guys going ahead of other guys because I think it is sort of flat, like, once you get past those two guys. So I'll enjoy it, but. I'll enjoy it. But I can understand where it would be lacking a little bit for, like, the drive by fans.

[Lavar Arrington]

Albert, did you say you felt like there was going to be a lot of trades or maybe not a lot of trades? I couldn't remember when we talked to you a couple weeks ago.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I don't think there'll be a lot at the top. I think you get the back half of the first round. I, I think that dynamic. I mentioned Brady, about how, like, if you're. Again, if you're valuing this year's 15th pick like you would last year's fifth pick, or the other way around? If you, if you, if you value this year's 50th pick like you would last year's 15th pick, then I think that logistically makes it difficult to move in the first round. And I do think it's like, you, like, view. Say you view like Will Campbell and Armand Menbo is similar, or you view, you know, Jalen Walker and Mikel Williams and Shemar Stewart, like, there's not a huge difference. Like, or Will Johnson and Jedi Baron. Well, then, like, what's going to motivate you to move up? Like, I think the motivation to move up is, like, when the supply in those spots maybe starts to run dry a little, and that's later in the first round. So I'd say, like, the first half of the first round I think will be. Right, relatively static. And then we get the back half of the round, things change a little bit. So.

[Lavar Arrington]

So real quick on that note, typically when. When there's these different draft classes, you've always said, and this used to be around the combine, we would bump into each other. Teams would be like, salivating over a guy in like the next year's draft, sometimes at a certain position, and obviously this quarterback class is viewed as one that's. That's weaker. And compared to last year, is there a sense of that with Arch Manning? Like, is there a sense around the NFL and league that, like, if he does what everyone thinks he's going to do this year, that he would leave and he would without a doubt be one of those generational prospects? Because the NFL has seen this story twice before, or maybe three times, including the brothers, but through generations of the Mannings working out.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I mean, I can't wait to see what happens. I don't know that anybody can speak to it with a lot of, like, certainty at this point. I mean, you see talent, right? Like, but I don't know. Brady, what do you think? Like, I, I look at it like he had his two starts were against inferior opponents, wasn't it? It was against like a directional school and like. Or was it. I can't remember, but it was against directional school, I think in the Mississippi State, who was. Who didn't want a game in the sec. So like, I, I'm not saying that to knock him, but it's just, you know, you still haven't seen enough, like. And if, if his name were, you know, if his last name was Smith, like, I think we'd probably be looking at him and Texas fans would be super excited because of what he is physically. But I don't think we'd be talking about him like he's gonna be the first pick of the draft, you know, so.

[Lavar Arrington]

So two things.

[Dan Patrick]

He.

[Lavar Arrington]

He's obviously bigger than Quinn. Yours, and obviously yours was dealing with some sort of injury, what have you, but even when yours was healthy, stronger arm, better athlete, and I think that's going to translate in a Steve Sarkeesian system to a big year in particular. What Week one, they played some, some big school. I think if it shows out, week one, this upcoming season will set the tone for the rest of it, right?

[Dan Patrick]

Well, yeah, and I agree with that, like, here's what I would say, though, like, just looking at the.

[Lavar Arrington]

So you're saying if he beats down who they play week one, like, it, like, here comes the hype train. Is that what you're saying?

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, if, if he, if he shows that week one, yeah, the hype train can leave the station. I would say this, though. I think. I think Cooper Manning has done an incredible job. Like, from what I can see, at least managing, like. Oh, yeah, helping him. Helping to manage his son's like, like, you know, his playing career. I, I don't know. Like, I don't know why anybody gets. Would get the idea that it's automatic that he's going to come out if he has a great year. I mean, if you look at it, Peyton stayed, Eli stayed when they were in school, you know, Arch Manning in a spot when a lot of guys would have left Texas, he stayed, stuck it out and sat for two years. And then there's a lot of, like, there's a lot of evidence that what is the marker? I think it's like 25 starts in college. Like, there's a big difference when you're talking about it being a predictor for success in the pros. Like, generally, guys who start a lot of games in college have a bit of. Have an advantage over guys that don't. So, like, I would just look at it like, I mean, like, everything we know about the Manning family, it tells us like, they're not going to, they're not going to just chase money or a certain draft position if it's there for them. Like, I don't know, it just, it feels to me like it's a lot more likely that, that he's going to spend at least two years as a starting quarterback at Texas. I may be wrong, but, but, but it just, it at least feels that way to me now. And, you know, I. Again, like. And we talk about next year's class. I think there, there are some guys look at throughout or Penn State, Garrett Nussmeier at lsu, Leonora Sellers at South Carolina. I just, I don't know. I don't know that it'd be so fast about Arch Manning in that class based on what we know about how his family's handled these things in the past.

[Lavar Arrington]

Yeah, but, but again, we. Week one, if he, if he just blows out that opponent week one, especially on the road, you know, you have a good, A good sense that you're like, willing.

[Dan Patrick]

You're willing this to happen now, huh? You're really.

[Lavar Arrington]

I'm just do you know, do you happen to know who Texas plays Week 1 next year?

[Dan Patrick]

I do, I do. I mean, I, I, I heard there's another highly sounded quarterback that might be playing that by the name of Julian, saying you might want to.

[Lavar Arrington]

Okay, I'm just making sure we're on the same page here. I'm just making sure.

[Dan Patrick]

Huh?

[Lavar Arrington]

I'm just making sure we're on the same page.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, you might want to study up on him for big game kickoff. I you guys might be talking about.

[Lavar Arrington]

Buddy and here's how little you know. Then here's how little you know. Last spring game when everyone was drooling about Jeremiah Smith, I sat there and said on the broadcast, I said joy and saying has the higher upside like Ohio State, I think could have done what they did last year even with saying starting wow.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, you just made me feel a lot better. I appreciate that, Brady. Thank you.

[Albert Breer]

It all comes there it is A.B. we appreciate it, man. We'll do it again next week.

[Dan Patrick]

All right. Thanks, guys.

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[Brady Quinn]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Albert Breer]

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[Jonas Knox]

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[Dan Patrick]

A similar schedule today right after the show. I think we're both heading to the dentist.

[Brady Quinn]

That's correct. Different dentist, of course, but yep, heading to Pasadena.

[Albert Breer]

Getting your teeth clean.

[Jonas Knox]

I'm just doing a routine cleaning.

[Brady Quinn]

Var's got some. I'm curious as to how this is all going to go down. Am I going to get a cap? Because I was. I was waiting to get a crown and so I had a temporary on and I. I think I destroyed my whole tooth, though. So I wonder if I'm still getting a crown or if I'm gonna have to get a. What is that called? An implant or whatever.

[Albert Breer]

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[Brady Quinn]

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[Albert Breer]

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[Brady Quinn]

Yeah, and me and Var, we were both talking about it.

[Jonas Knox]

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[Brady Quinn]

Because I'm a couch guy.

[Dan Patrick]

You know what they say about couches for. For rich people.

[Jonas Knox]

Is that the couch doesn't touch a wall.

[Brady Quinn]

I don't get it, rich people. The couch doesn't touch a wall.

[Dan Patrick]

It's somewhere in the middle of the room. Most people.

[Brady Quinn]

It's so crazy. What? And I'm. I'm trying to. Yeah, what is? First, what does that mean?

[Lavar Arrington]

Because the rooms are so big. Okay, think about it. The rooms are so big, you don't have to put it up against a wall. You just put it somewhere in the middle.

[Albert Breer]

Oh, I can't relate to that.

[Brady Quinn]

That's how it was in my old house. It's not like that here in my new one. So. So that's debunked. Unless I'm not rich, might not be rich, might say something.

[Dan Patrick]

I don't know.

[Albert Breer]

All right, all right.

[Brady Quinn]

But I like my. My couch. And I'm going to get on it tonight, by the way.

[Margie Murphy]

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[Brady Quinn]

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[Dan Patrick]

Well, not me, but me with someone else's body parts.

[Margie Murphy]

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