Hour 3 - Brent Musburger, Hockey Doesn't Need to Pick a Fight

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Patrick Show - Hour 3: Brent Musburger, Hockey Doesn't Need to Pick a Fight

Introduction

In this engaging episode of The Dan Patrick Show, released on April 11, 2025, host Bob Pittman sits down with legendary sportscaster Brent Musburger to celebrate Musburger's induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. The conversation delves deep into Musburger's illustrious career, his impact on sports broadcasting, and the evolving landscape of sports, including topics like gambling in sports and the nature of athletic achievements across different games.

Celebrating Brent Musburger’s Hall of Fame Induction

The episode kicks off with Bob Pittman expressing his excitement over Musburger's historic induction:

Bob Pittman [04:56]: "Brent, congratulations on going into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. It's the Pete Roselle radio and TV award. I don't take any credit other than letting people remind people that you weren't in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. You did all the work."

Musburger reflects on the surprise of his induction and the pivotal role Pittman played in advocating for his recognition:

Brent Musburger [05:18]: "It was such an honor yesterday, and you would have got a kick out of. I was honestly just brushing my teeth, and my phone rang and I looked down and it said, NFL Hall of Fame. And I said, 'Hello, Brent, Coach Vermeil?' ... I owe you a debt of gratitude."

Impact on Aspiring Sportscasters

Pittman shares how Musburger inspired his own career in broadcasting:

Bob Pittman [06:42]: "I remember watching you do your show on the NFL Today, and I thought, I can do that. You and Costas, Bryant Gumbel—guys who are really good—they make a hard job look easy."

Musburger acknowledges the influence he's had on young aspiring sportscasters:

Brent Musburger [07:43]: "So many youngsters have come up and said, 'I really want to get into sportscasting. I love what you do.'"

Gambling in Sports Broadcasting

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around the integration of gambling into sports broadcasting—a topic Musburger has navigated throughout his career. He explains how the "You Are Looking Live" segment originated:

Brent Musburger [08:28]: "We used 'You are looking live,' and it became the trademark of the show."

He candidly discusses the challenges and ethical considerations of incorporating gambling insights into sports commentary:

Brent Musburger [12:29]: "Gambling is now legal... but obviously, you have to be careful because a gambling addiction is like an alcohol addiction. You got to watch people."

Pittman and Musburger reflect on how gambling has become commonplace in sports culture, contrasting it with earlier years when it was more taboo:

Brent Musburger [13:53]: "Back in the '70s, it was so verboten, and now it's just part of the culture."

Iconic Moments and Personal Anecdotes

Musburger reminisces about iconic sports moments that shaped his career, including Joe Namath's famous Super Bowl guarantee:

Brent Musburger [15:14]: "Joe threw it out there, kind of matter-of-fact, and it's become bigger than life."

He shares personal stories, such as being the sole audience member for Howard Cosell at Super Bowl III:

Brent Musburger [17:07]: "I was the one-man audience for Howard Cosell at Super Bowl 3."

Reflections on Sports Evolution

The conversation shifts to the evolution of various sports and the differing challenges athletes face. Musburger emphasizes the unique difficulties across sports, highlighting how achievements should be celebrated within their own contexts rather than compared across different games:

Brent Musburger [32:28]: "Playing quarterback, you have to drop back, look downfield, process information while being physically assaulted. That's a different level of hard to do."

Legacy and Future Endeavors

As the episode wraps up, Pittman discusses future plans to advocate for other sports figures' inductions into their respective halls of fame, showcasing the ongoing commitment to honoring sports legends:

Bob Pittman [49:15]: "Mel Kuiper and Sonny Vaccaro should be in the Hall of Fame. It's up to all of you guys to get together and do that."

Musburger expresses gratitude for Pittman's support and reflects on the importance of preserving sports history:

Brent Musburger [49:36]: "It's all about inclusion and ensuring that those who shaped the game are recognized."

Conclusion

This episode serves as a heartfelt tribute to Brent Musburger's contributions to sports broadcasting and his enduring legacy. Through personal anecdotes, reflections on the industry's evolution, and discussions on the interplay between sports and gambling, Pittman and Musburger offer listeners a comprehensive look into the life of a sports broadcasting icon. The conversation not only honors Musburger's achievements but also provides valuable insights into the future of sports media.

Notable Quotes:

• Bob Pittman [06:42]: "You provided a soundtrack for people's lives for 50 years. And that's the staying power that is remarkable."

• Brent Musburger [07:43]: "You touch a lot of lives."

• Brent Musburger [12:29]: "Gambling is now legal. But obviously, you have to be careful because a gambling addiction is like an alcohol addiction."

• Brent Musburger [17:07]: "I was the one-man audience for Howard Cosell at Super Bowl 3."

• Brent Musburger [32:28]: "Playing quarterback, you have to drop back, look downfield, process information while being physically assaulted. That's a different level of hard to do."

• Bob Pittman [49:15]: "Mel Kuiper and Sonny Vaccaro should be in the Hall of Fame. It's up to all of you guys to get together and do that."

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Transcript

[Larison Campbell]

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[Bob Pittman]

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[Larison Campbell]

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[Brent Musburger]

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[Bob Pittman]

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[Bob Pittman]

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[Bob Pittman]

Show on Fox Sports Radio. Final hour this meet Friday. It's a great Meat Friday. Morale is high. We got nominated for the sports Emmy earlier in the week and then found out late yesterday that Brent Musburger is going into the Pro Football hall of Fame. We'll talk to Brent coming up here momentarily. It's a masters meet Friday. We got firecracker shrimp, Texas style chili, cowboy ribeyes, blackened swordfish and azalea cocktails. Who has it better than we do?

[Larison Campbell]

Nobody.

[Bob Pittman]

Second round at the Masters in Augusta is underway. Wind is going to be an issue. Paulie, you got an update on the leaderboard?

[Larison Campbell]

Yeah. Justin Rose just getting going. He's seven under. Ludwig Oberg, five under. Bryson DeChambeau with an early birdie, three under.

[Bob Pittman]

Okay, check that, four under, four under now. All right, tonight, Bucks, Pistons, Cabs, Knicks, Rockets, Lakers, Grizzlies and the Nuggets. And really no other headlines here. Nothing football wise. I think we've tried to make something out of the T.J. watt situation. Does he want a new deal, which he probably does. Does he want to stay in Pittsburgh? I'm guessing he still does. Big weekend for the NBA as we close out the regular season. We talked about this down through the years and using this platform, if I can get John Fasenda or help get John Fasenda into the Pro Football hall of Fame, I've been very fortunate that been able to have people listen to us and the Pro Football hall of Fame. I don't know if the voters or the people realized that John Fasenda, the voice of the NFL, wasn't in the hall of Fame and wrote a letter to the hall of Fame, David Baker. And David said, you're right, he should be in the Pro Football hall of Fame. Felt that way about Brent Musburger for a long time and actually contacted the Pro Football hall of Fame. I said, what do I need to do? They said, put it in writing. I said, all right. So it was great, great day yesterday. Brent, congratulations on going into the Pro Football hall of Fame. It's the Pete Roselle radio and TV award. I don't take any credit other than letting people reminding people that you weren't in the Pro Football hall of Fame. You did all the work. I just wanted people to remember all the great Work you did. So congratulations, Dan.

[Brent Musburger]

Thank you so much. I know that a couple years ago, we had a conversation out at the super bowl in Las Vegas. I think we were on the rooftop of the Fontainebleau Hotel, and you mentioned it, and I, you know, wasn't even on my mind, but you. You actually put it forward. And then later, I'm told as I was leaving, you had Jim Nance up. And Jim Nance also echoed what you had said. So I want to thank both of you. It was such an honor yesterday, and you would have got a kick out of. I was honestly just brushing my teeth, and my phone rang and I looked down and it said, NFL hall of Fame. And I said, well, I wonder what that. So I said, hello, Brent, Coach Vermeil? And I said, yeah, Coach. I said, this is not your cell phone. This is a different phone. He said, congratulations, you're the winner of the Pete Roselle Award. And it was, you know, mind blowing. I said, listen, Dan Patrick, Jim Nance, and you, Coach, you're the ones who put this forward. And I owe you a debt of gratitude. It was. It was great moments. I just wish Dan, Irv Cross, Phyllis George, Jimmy the Greek. I wish they were still with us to share on this because they meant so much to the NFL today and actually the start of my career. So, again, thank you so much for your platform.

[Bob Pittman]

Well, you gave me almost an opportunity to dream, because when I watched you do your show when the NFL today, I remember watching and saying, I can do that. I'm not a play by play guy. I can do that. I don't know how to do that. I don't know if I'd ever get a chance to do that. But it's the first time in my broadcasting career, or, like, the beginning of it, that I had a. I had a direction, and you gave me that direction, and you provided a soundtrack for people's lives for 50 years. And that's. The staying power is remarkable. But I thank you because you made it look like you can do. You, you know, you and Costas Bryant Gumbel, guys who are really good, they make a hard job look easy, and that's why there's a lot of people who want to do this job. And. And you did that. It's not easy, but you. You provided that soundtrack, and I'm forever grateful for that.

[Brent Musburger]

I'm so appreciative to hear that. And so many youngsters through the years, Dan, have come up and said, you know, I really want to get into sportscasting. I love what you do. And I would spend some time and talk them through it. But I, you know, you touch a lot of lives. And I was asked yesterday, anybody ever get upset with you? And I chuckled and I said occasionally I would get a letter a little nasty from a, From a preacher somewhere who said that I was spoiling church attendance on Sunday.

[Bob Pittman]

Did you get any feedback, negative feedback when you were saying you were looking live?

[Brent Musburger]

No. It's interesting. No, everybody sort of gravitated to it without knowing how it started. And it started because my director, Bob Fishman, who's a Hall of Fame director, by the way, he, at a meeting of the NFL today once early in the week, said that his father had a friend who loved to bet over unders and we were coming into November and he wanted the weather at the Darius stadiums. We were going and we didn't have enough time. Remember, the NFL today was a half hour show. Now, those pregame shows go on for days, but. So I said, we can't do a weather report. But I said, bob, what if you give me a live picture? And we start. I think the first one down might have been Soldier Field in Chicago because I know it was in November. And so we used you are looking live. And it was kind of a drizzly, gloomy day at the lakefront in Chicago. And, and so the next week at the, at the meeting, Bob said, hey, my father's friend really loved that. He thought that was great. And so we went from there to two, three different stadiums that we could flash around the country. And so it became the trademark. And honestly, the only thing I ever insisted. And Bob followed. I said, it has to be live. I said, we can't tape stadium pictures and make this up. If I say, you are looking live, let's do it.

[Bob Pittman]

So.

[Brent Musburger]

So, so it went from there. And, but no, I never, I never received. I don't remember Pete Roselle, who was a good friend of the shows. He would come by, you know, two or three times a year when he wasn't on the road watching games. I don't, I don't remember Pete ever asking me specifically about. But you are looking. I've just became the trademark of the show. That's how, that's how we opened.

[Bob Pittman]

But you were kind of dancing around gambling without. Oh, yes.

[Brent Musburger]

Oh, yes.

[Bob Pittman]

And I remember now.

[Brent Musburger]

Remember now, Jimmy, we weren't dancing, okay? We were hugging. I mean, I mean, when, when Bob Wessler called me before year two of the NFL today and he said, brent, do you know a gambler by the name of Jimmy the Greek.

[Larison Campbell]

And.

[Brent Musburger]

And I did, because I. When I was covering baseball, I would stop off in Las Vegas. And I had met the Greek, I knew him, and he said, I want to put him on the NFL today to talk about the games. And I said, bob, that's fine, but what are we going to do with commissioner Roselle? And of course, that led to the famous meeting that we had for about an hour on the Park Avenue NFL offices. And Roselle could not have been more favorable to what the Greek being on the show. And then when we got up to leave to go back, the commissioner said, by the way, listen, guys, do me a favor. Now, when you were at a meeting with the commissioner and he says favor, we knew here came the marching order. And he said, Please don't use -3 +7, -10 on the segment. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. You got it. Never even thought about it. Walk out and say it. How are we going to talk about games if we can't use the point spreads? Okay, so that, that led to the famous checkboard with the Greek, and people would figure out if the checks were all on one team side. He meant cover the spread. So. So we went from there. And the only time I got in trouble after the nfc, we were doing the NFC on CBS then was after the NFC championship game. The Greek would always slip me a piece of paper with the spread on the super bowl, and I would always give it, and I'd always get the phone call on Monday. Don't you ever do that again. Oh, gee, I'm sorry. I forgot.

[Bob Pittman]

Until the next year, when you forgot again.

[Brent Musburger]

Exactly. Yeah. You know, I always knew, honestly, if you go back to the founding of the National Football League, I mean, there were people involved with camera Art Rooney. He gets his stake in the Pittsburgh Steelers by winning at the. At the horse track. And even Pete Roselle. Every time I went to the Kentucky Derby, Pete Roselle was there, usually with Wellington Marrow, the owner of the Giants. I knew. And the underground was just full of people who like to bet on the National Football League. And I, you know, I. I'm glad that it's now legal. And obviously, you have to be careful, because a gambling addiction is like an alcohol addiction. You got to be careful. You got to watch people. And I try to tell youngsters all the time, you're not going to beat it. I said, you may think you are, but you're not. I said, if you want to do it for recreation, as I do, I said, go ahead and enjoy it.

[Bob Pittman]

If I would have told you 1975. Hey, Brent, you're going to be a Hall of Famer, and gambling is going to be embraced by all sports. What would you have thought that we have gotten to this point, that gambling is now commonplace? It's. It's almost like you're guilted in if you don't gamble on things.

[Brent Musburger]

I would have thought you were crazy. Okay. To tell you the truth, I. Both instances, the guy never got into this, you know, dreaming about hall of Fames. I went to Canton early in the NFL career to shoot a segment for it, but I never dreamed about. About going in and the gambling. I guess I always thought it had a chance to be legal, but I didn't realize how sports were going to embrace it. And you're so right. I talk to people all the time. I mean, think about espn, which did not exist when the NFL today started. I mean, we didn't have cable television like we have. If you go up, I was watching last night, like a lot of people are watching. And the bottom line, you know, there were NBA spreads and over unders were coming under. And I always smile when I see it because I was so verboten back in the. The 70s and now it's just part of the culture. I think, Dan, that's a good thing because I think it'll just kind of be accepted and go on its own way down the road, to tell you the truth.

[Bob Pittman]

I was wondering if you could get Joe Namath to introduce you at the hall of Fame since Mad Show. I mean, you were there when he made his big proclamation.

[Brent Musburger]

Oh, yeah.

[Bob Pittman]

That they were going to win Super Bowl 3.

[Brent Musburger]

Yeah, it's great. It was, you know, you were talking about stadiums.

[Bob Pittman]

Yeah.

[Brent Musburger]

And the old Orange Bowl. I. I think for me, the stadiums always stand out where I have memories of what happened there. Okay. And Super Bowl 3 was really something because earlier in that week, we'd gone to Fort Lauderdale and the bellman sold us that Joe Namath was out back. And there were a handful of us. I was a writer then, and I also worked at bbm, the CBS radio station. And we went out back and there was Joe in a lounge chair. The famous picture with. There was a lady behind him getting an autograph. And people came up and wished him good luck. And I tell people it wasn't braggadocio. It wasn't like, all right, guarantee it was just kind of matter of fact, and we're going to win the game. I guarantee it. And it was just kind of thrown out there. Tell you the truth, it did not become a big story until after the fact. Dave Anderson, great columnist in the New York Times, was with me at a country club that Joe spoke at, believe it or not, on Friday night. He was a guest of honor and he repeated it and it was Dave. And it was such a small story in the Times and now it has become bigger than life. But as for the game itself, okay, I was upstairs, I had a press pass, but I was in the photographer's box. But guess who was next to me? Howard Cosell, giving me the flame by play. I was the one man audience for Howard Cosell at Super Bowl 3. Of course he hated the NFC because the NFC would not allow. And he loved the AFL. That was, that was his dream. So he was so proud of Joe Willie Namath, I'll tell you, you know, he called me mush. I think he go, I'll tell you, he's the best. So.

[Bob Pittman]

But that's, that's one of the iconic moments in NFL history. Like when you think about it, what it became, you know, then you had guys who started to guarantee things. Then it became almost like commonplace where somebody was like, hey, we're going to win. Do you guarantee it? Yeah, I guarantee it. You know, it was in the footsteps of, of Joe Willie.

[Brent Musburger]

Absolutely, absolutely. And I tell you, Dan, that game to me meant more to the merger than anything now. Now, Al Davis meant a lot to the merger because he started signing quarterbacks who were in the NFL. And when the George Hal of the world saw what it was going to cost them, they also made a move toward merging. But once Joe Namath, you know, I mean, remember now the Greek and Las Vegas made the Baltimore Colts an 18 point favorite. 18 point favorite in that game. I mean, let that sink in right now with everybody who did you have, you know, I did not bet the game and I never, I never, I don't think I, I always thought the Colts were going to win. Listen, I was a Bears guy, okay? I mean I covered him and knew the houses. I kind of looked down a little bit at the afl. You know, I was kind of one of the establishment reporters back in the day. And so I really thought the Colts were going to win. I don't think I would have given 18 points. But as it turns out, the bet of the year would have been on Joe Willie Namath and the Jets. My.

[Bob Pittman]

Congratulations again and good luck with. Thank you. Visa, the sports betting network that you've been, that you co founded there. But long time coming. Glad to play any role in this. But once again thank you for being a friend.

[Brent Musburger]

Oh, by the way, the Gators did well in your pool.

[Bob Pittman]

Yes, they did. You won the contest. You won the bracket. Is that more important than going into the Pro Football hall of Fame?

[Brent Musburger]

For me, it's whatever's next.

[Bob Pittman]

Thank you, Brad.

[Brent Musburger]

Thank you so much. Dan. Thanks for all your help.

[Bob Pittman]

Thank you, buddy. That's Brett Musburger and co founder of Visen, the sports betting network. That's great. That's great. I love hearing the stories. Even if I've heard the stories, I still love hearing the stories because I hear his voice telling me the stories. All right, we'll take a break. Well, get to your phone calls coming up. And we'll hear from Charles Barkley coming up as well. And an interesting comparison or contrast in greatest scores of all time. And somehow LeBron, Alex Ovechkin and Barry Bonds part of that conversation. We'll have that for you coming up next. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our [e-mail] and within.

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[Larison Campbell]

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[Brent Musburger]

7,000 bodies out there or more, all.

[Larison Campbell]

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[Bob Pittman]

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[Larison Campbell]

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[Brent Musburger]

The championship is back in the Bay.

[Bob Pittman]

For the first time in 40 years.

[Larison Campbell]

On the new limited podcast series Dub Dynasty, we hear from head coach Steve Kerr on how Steph Curry almost never even joined the Warriors. In fact, I thought we had a draft day deal to end up getting him to Phoenix for the entire behind the scenes story of Golden State's incredible 10 year run. Listen to Dub Dynasty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Bob Pittman]

I was watching the TNT show Inside the NBA last night with Charles and Kenny and Shaq and of course Memphis was playing against the Timberwolves. The Timberwolves scored 52 points in the third quarter. They won 141, 125. Anthony Edwards went for 44, including 18 in the third quarter. So Minnesota moves into a three way tie with Memphis and Golden State for the sixth through eighth spots in the Western Conference. I mean it's quite a race though certainly in the West. Feels like we know the teams that are going to be in the east now. It's just a little bit of jockeying for playoff seating. But part of the story was Charles and Shaq and Kenny were talking about John Morant's new celebration.

[Larison Campbell]

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[Bob Pittman]

I know one person happy right now.

[Larison Campbell]

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[Bob Pittman]

You gonna get another job that he deserves.

[Larison Campbell]

I'm like, I have to deal with this.

[Bob Pittman]

Yeah. Taylor Jenkins, the former coach of the Memphis Grizzlies. How about Shaq with the sound effects there? They were pretty good. It just seems like this is more important than the actual game and winning for John Moran. Hey, I can't do the gun thing, so I got this. It's a grenade. And then till he hears in the legal office and they don't move on to something else, you know, But I he. You have a game where you go, ja, you're supposed to be the star. Anthony Edwards gets 44. That's. That's really the most important part of all of this. Not your celebration, his priorities. And now, you know, it's. He's a victim, even though he created all of this. And now everybody's picking on him, you know, and that's unfortunate because he's got it reversed. He created it. All you got to do is just eat it. You got punished a couple times here and then just play great basketball. You're entertaining, by the way. You play basketball. Not with some stupid celebration. Oh, you can't do the gun. Oh, okay. I'm still going to do the gun. Oh, I can't do it. Okay, I'm going to do a grenade. Okay. At some point, how about you just win some games? Okay? You get paid to win games. You're entertaining, by the way you play. You don't need to add to that. There was another audio clip that I heard, and it was on ESPN, the NHL Intermission Report. So P.K. subin, longtime hockey player and very good hockey player, ESPN NHL analyst, he was talking about Alex Ovechkin's record. His scoring record being more impressive than LeBron's all time record in scoring. And Barry Bond's home run records, the Ovechkin record.

[Larison Campbell]

For perspective.

[Brent Musburger]

You like all the sports.

[Bob Pittman]

You're. You're a sports fan big time. Where do you want to rank that among all the other great achievements in the other sports? Jerry Rice, touchdowns, touchdowns.

[Larison Campbell]

You know, and listen, that's actually something a little bit more similar. I would say a wide receiver touchdown.

[Bob Pittman]

Would be more similar.

[Larison Campbell]

To a hockey player because you got a guy charging at you. You got to worry about defensive players taking your head off. You know, Barry Bonds, you spoke about, he doesn't have to worry about getting hit. Right? Right.

[Bob Pittman]

You know, LeBron James doesn't have to worry about getting hit.

[Larison Campbell]

Right. So it's different. And for me, this record has got to be the most difficult.

[Bob Pittman]

Okay. It's not LeBron's fault that it's on a collision sport. I think we all. The general consensus is the hardest thing to do in all the sports is hit a baseball.

[Larison Campbell]

Right.

[Bob Pittman]

I don't think you get too much argument there. And as far as Jerry Rice, somebody has to throw the ball to Jerry Rice. Somebody has to throw it to him. He had two hall of Fame quarterbacks and Montana and Steve Young getting the football. Now what you do after that, yes, that's up to your God given ability, your teammates blocking for you. But instead of celebrating Ovechkin, then you have to bring down Barry Bonds or LeBron or other sports. It's just a great achievement. Hey, oh, by the way, Ovechkin, he had an assist last night. He is now 12:38 behind Wayne Gretzky for the all time record. In case, you know, we're keeping an eye on that as well. But it's a wonderful moment. It's a chance for hockey to stand out, but you don't stand out by then. Diminishing and you know, talking down about others, what LeBron did is incredible. And yes, the NBA, the physicality. LeBron might be playing 35 minutes a game. Ovechkin is playing 16. Does that sound about right? Bonds might get one pitch in a game to hit one. He would have hit a hundred home runs if they pitched to him that one year when he hit 73, he would have hit 100. And. And I don't think that that's a great exaggerate. There's no hyperbole. I truly thought that year he was so locked in, he was going to hit whatever. If you threw it in his little bread box there, he was hitting it out. Now scoring a goal is incredibly difficult. There's physicality involved in that. Then you got the guy who's right there in front of the net and you got maybe a little small hole that you got to find that. Where is that five hole peanut butter shelf, whatever it is, but celebrate it. Unless you're saying, let me put this in perspective. Okay, I'll at least listen to that. But I mean, LeBron faces physicality every single night. And he's playing 30 to 35 minutes a night.

[Larison Campbell]

Yes, Paulie, I will say it's interesting. You could float these conversations and debates based off one or two words. Like, you're right about baseball being the hardest thing to do. Hit a pitch with movement at 95 or 102. But you can make the case that playing the quarterback position, you have to drop back, look downfield, process information. All this while five or six or seven guys are trying to knock you senseless. You have to ignore the fact that you're about to be knocked senseless. And to me, that. That's a different level of hard to do, but it's up there with baseball.

[Bob Pittman]

Yeah. And, you know, maybe we don't truly understand. I can look at hockey players as the best athletes because they have to do it with the stick, on ice, on skates, and, you know, pucks are going 90, 100 miles an hour. I get that. And you're doing it. You know, the ice is a big part of that. But celebrate it instead of this is more impressive than LeBron. It's different. It's different from Barry Bonds. Huh? Nobody's keeping the puck away from Ovechkin. They were keeping the baseball away from Barry Bonds, and he had one pitch, maybe two pitches. That was it. And Bonds, you know, the number of times he's intentionally walked. How many times was he walked and then intentionally walked Barry Bonds?

[Larison Campbell]

In the year, he hit 73 home runs, was walked regular walks, 177 times. 177 walks, 73 homers. That's one third of his plate appearances ended up in a walk.

[Bob Pittman]

Yes. Stat of the Day, brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards of the Dan Patrick show.

[Larison Campbell]

Yes, Paulie, a little more. Bond. 73 home run season might be his second most impressive at age 39, 40. It was 2004. He hit 45 homers. He was walked 232 times, including 120 intentional walks.

[Bob Pittman]

I mean, come on.

[Larison Campbell]

One out of every five at bats, they removed his bat, and that's double the most in Major League Baseball history.

[Bob Pittman]

Yeah. So what if you could choose not to let Ovechkin have the puck? Because that's what baseball did to Bonds. They chose not to let him swing his bat. So that, to me, is underrated. Truly remarkable. He would have hit a hundred home runs, but the same, you know, LeBron, with longevity, and it just. It should be celebrated staying healthy. And yes, Ovechkin breaks his leg earlier this season. Oh, by the way, gets 40 goals in a season. I mean, hockey players, they're nobody tougher. And it's a demanding sport. But I don't know if you need to bring the other sports in to then showcase why this is amazing. It's amazing because he beat Wayne Gretzky. You start there. The great one had this record. You start there. Yes. That's kind of what we do though, right?

[Larison Campbell]

It's like it's bringing. Comparing different sports is not unlike comparing different eras in the same sport. Right.

[Bob Pittman]

Because in a lot of.

[Larison Campbell]

Almost every instance, it's.

[Bob Pittman]

The sports are completely different era to.

[Larison Campbell]

Era, the way they're played.

[Bob Pittman]

It is. It just. The timing of this felt really rushed to then instead of just celebrating it, it felt like, let's get LeBron in the conversation. And when PK was on first take, he did that. It was supposed to be about Ovechkin, immediately became about Lebron and that somehow it's a negative. And then that players don't fear LeBron, they fear Mike and Kobe. Like, what are we doing? That's not celebrating Ovechkin as much as it is. Let's denigrate LeBron because he's going to do that on Stephen A's show. And we know Stephen A is not a fan of LeBron, but it's all difficult. It's. It's like the last guy on the bench was incredible when he was in high school and probably in college. I mean, the degree of difficulty, we can't even fathom it. You know, you look at these tapes of guys when they were in high school, and you're like, golly. I mean, Mac McClung, go look at his high school tape. It's. It's. It's one of those where you go, that guy's going to be a star. Waste a star in the dunk contest. He can't even get in the NBA. I was watching that Peyton Pritchard pickup game video. I'm going, that guy's unstoppable. Now he's a role player with the Celtics. But it's just these guys are so great. And then you get, you know, greater, greater greatness. The greatest of all time. I'm not here to denigrate any of those. And even when we compare generations, you know, I hate doing it. It's tricky when you do it. Ovechkin, it's remarkable, incredible, and a feat that will probably never be challenged. But the same with Bonds, with what he did. And LeBron used to be a big deal. You got to 30,000. He said 40,000. And counting. Yeah. Paulie.

[Larison Campbell]

One thing I didn't understand about hockey as a kid, because I knew nothing about hockey, I'd watch Wayne Gretzky. And I remember watching and asking someone who actually knew hockey, how come they do shifts of like 90 seconds or two minutes? Why don't just keep Wayne Gretzky out there for the entire period? And they're like, you have no idea what a burn a shift of hockey is. You're playing your full energy for 90 seconds, 2 minutes, and you have to switch out that way. You don't understand it if you don't. I didn't know hockey at the time.

[Bob Pittman]

Yeah, yeah. You're out there, you give everything you can, then all of a sudden you come out, but LeBron is out there for 35 minutes. Yes, Todd.

[Larison Campbell]

In addition to the stamina knocking, apparently being smashed into the boards, and occasionally.

[Bob Pittman]

Someone punching in the face, too. How's your foot, by the way? You okay?

[Larison Campbell]

It hurts.

[Bob Pittman]

All right, thank you. I saw that. Here's something that people didn't factor in with the Luka Don Chick trait. The amount of revenue, the amount of money the Mavericks are going to lose. So they didn't want to pay him this money. And I saw this with Tim McMahon of the Mothership. He said that the Mavericks are expected to lose a crazy amount of money this year due to lost revenue, dwindling crowds, merchandise sales, sponsors. You're probably talking about a hundred million dollars, but you saved money by not signing him. Congratulations. Yeah. Yeah. Tim's article, he says, you know this. Nine figures, like, who's going to want to sponsor? Are you going to have season tickets? Are you going to go to the games? There's no energy, no buzz. But you're talking about a hundred million dollars you're going to lose and you don't have Luca. Yeah.

[Larison Campbell]

Pauline, what really hurts them is Luca would keep them relevant every year. You may not be in the NBA Finals every year, but you're a relevant NBA franchise because you have a superstar. And there's what, eight superstars in the NBA? 10, 12, where you could call them superstars, where people tune in and you had one, you stumbled into one.

[Bob Pittman]

Yeah.

[Larison Campbell]

It's weird, right?

[Bob Pittman]

Yeah. Well, I'm trying to think how many. Okay, so you have LeBron. Still must see TV. Luca is Joker, is Steph is Greek freak. Or. Yeah, Greek freak would be in there. Shay Gilgis is not Must see tv. But the team wins. There's a difference in that. You know, it's not a knock on him. He doesn't he doesn't do exciting things. He's just incredibly great. He's efficiently great. Who else would you put in there? Marv Embiid's no longer in the mix. Is Jalen Brunson. Must see TV in the playoffs. He wasn't last night against the Pistons.

[Larison Campbell]

Potential first round matchup.

[Bob Pittman]

Kate Cunningham coming out. Party there. Victor Wembanyama. Must see tv. Anybody else that we can throw in there? But the point is, there aren't many of those guys who are must see tv. Durant's not anymore. Booker's not a must see tv. Like, you'll go, oh, that guy's on. I'm going to watch this. Anthony Edwards.

[Larison Campbell]

He's on the cuff.

[Bob Pittman]

Getting there. Job was. Zion was maybe there, but I mean, Cooper Flag is going to be to at least start his career that people will tune in to see. Is he for real? How good is he going to be? Yes, Todd, I'm just listening in. Oh.

[Larison Campbell]

Sometimes I lean over into the mic and I trick you into thinking I have something to say.

[Bob Pittman]

Okay. Are you going to make it through?

[Larison Campbell]

I mean, you're fidgety. My fidgeting made it look like I was about to lean in and say something.

[Bob Pittman]

Okay. You okay?

[Larison Campbell]

I'm doing okay. All right, quick poll result here. If you want worst Todd injury, pickleball heel or wiffle ball elbow.

[Bob Pittman]

Okay.

[Larison Campbell]

Right now, 70% have wiffle ball elbow.

[Bob Pittman]

That's still just Todd. We have all that great food outside. I'm not sure. Do we need to fix a plate for you and bring it in to you?

[Larison Campbell]

You'll be surprised how quickly I can lift over to that setup over there. Not proud of that, but it's.

[Bob Pittman]

How about we take a break? How about we take a break? Ready?

[Larison Campbell]

Ready.

[Bob Pittman]

Break. Ready? Break. We're back after this. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at.

[Larison Campbell]

9Am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports.

[Bob Pittman]

Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

[Larison Campbell]

There's a type of soil in Mississippi called Yazoo clay. It's thick, burnt orange, and it's got a reputation. It's terrible, terrible dirt. Yazoo clay eats everything, so things that get buried there tend to stay buried until they're not. In 2012, construction crews at Mississippi's biggest hospital made a shocking discovery.

[Brent Musburger]

7,000 bodies out there or more, all.

[Larison Campbell]

Former patients of the old state asylum, and nobody knew they were there. It was my family's mystery. But in this corner of the south, it's not just the soil that keeps secrets.

[Bob Pittman]

Nobody talks about it Nobody has any information.

[Larison Campbell]

When you peel back the layers of Mississippi's Yazoo Clay, nothing's ever as simple as you think. The story is much more complicated and nuanced than that. I'm Larison Campbell. Listen to Under Yazu Clay on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi friends. Sophia Bush here, host of Work in Progress. This week we had such a special guest on the podcast My Forever flotus. A mentor, a friend, a wife, a mother, an author, attorney, advocate, television producer. And now she adds podcast host to the list herself. Friends, Michelle Obama is here. Sophia, I'm beyond thrilled to be able to sit down and chat with you. We talk about it all. Life, love, motherhood. Martinis. Vodka martini, Dry, straight up. Olives, Olives, very cold. My girl. Barely any vermouth. What's next? What she's watching on tv? I am a White Lotuser. I am a Real Housewives person. I love the dating shows and tennis. I just find that to be a bit meditative. You do not want to miss this. Listen to work in Progress on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Have you ever wondered, if your pet is lying to you, why is my cat not here and I go in and she's eating my lunch? Or if hypnotism is real, you will use the suggestion in order to enhance your cognitive control. But what's inside a black hole? Black holes could be a consequence of the way that we understand the universe. Well, we have answers for you in the new iHeart original podcast, Science Stuff. Join me Jorge, as we tackle questions you've always wanted to know the answer to about animals, space, our brains and our bodies. Questions can you survive being cryogenically frozen? This is experimental.

[Bob Pittman]

This may never work for you.

[Larison Campbell]

What's a quantum computer? It's not just a faster computer. It performs in a fundamentally different way. Do you really have to wait 30 minutes after eating before you can go swimming? It's not really a safety issue. It's more of a comfort issue. We'll talk to experts, break it down, and give you easy to understand explanations to fascinating scientific questions. So give yourself permission to be a science geek and listen to science stuff on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Tariff whiplash is real, folks. And rapidly changing economic policies, they affect all of us to one degree or another. Trump 1.0. So that was more tariff talk. Now we are experiencing the widespread tariff action. Totally scattershot, totally Random the theory, Matt, I think, is that we're trading short term pain for long term gain. That's the tariff theory at least. But I have a hard time envisioning the long game rosy outcomes if these policy priorities kind of continue. It can be hard to know how to react to news of accelerating layoffs, increasing stock market volatility. That's why the how to Money podcast exists. We cut through the hype to give you crucial information that can help you to achieve your money goals no matter what is going on in the world. Yeah, it's our goal to help you make wise money choices that will allow you to build wealth over time and reduce anxiety levels so you can sleep well at night. How to Money comes out three times a week, but our Friday Flight episodes speak directly to what's happening in the financial news so you can digest this week's headlines without freaking out. Listen to how to Money on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Brent Musburger]

The championship is back in the bay.

[Bob Pittman]

For the first time in 40 years.

[Larison Campbell]

On the new limited podcast series dubbed Dynasty, we hear from head coach Steve Kerr on how Steph Curry almost never even joined the Warriors. In fact, I thought we had a Draft Day deal to end up getting him to Phoenix for the entire behind the scenes story of Golden State's incredible 10 year run. Listen to Dub Dynasty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Bob Pittman]

What a great week. Great week capped off by the Sports Emmy and Brett Musburger going into the hall of Fame. Thanks for your phone calls, your emails, your tweets, your all around support. Make sure you go to danpatrick.com 50% off everything on the site. Thanks for putting up with me. I've been battling this cough, this cold sore throat for two weeks now and get a few days to rest. So that'll be good. Best Week in Sports who had the best week in sports? I mean, I'm going to say me because of what I just said. The Sports Emmy and Brett Musburger. Todd, how about you? Who had the best week in sports?

[Larison Campbell]

If you count Sunday, last Sunday as the start of the week, I'm going to give it to Ovechkin this whole week to enjoy passing Wayne Gretzky.

[Bob Pittman]

Let's give it to Obi. Okay. Seaton, how about you?

[Larison Campbell]

I was going to say Ovechkin too. It's tough to not. It's such a massive moment.

[Bob Pittman]

Yep, Marv, three for three.

[Larison Campbell]

I thought Ovechkin easily best week sports. Okay, Paul, I want to bring it back to us, the sports Emmy nomination. And, Dan, in all seriousness, I think it's great what all of us did, but what you did for Brent Musburger, because I think people overlook people sometimes, and I don't know why. And it was a wrong that needed to be righted and you threw your weight behind it. I was so happy when you sent that text yesterday. I'm proud of you and things like that. People will never, ever, ever forget Brent and others.

[Bob Pittman]

Oh, once again, I couldn't have done it without the cooperation the Pro Football hall of Fame because I. I needed somebody who would listen to me. There's a wonderful woman there, Pat Linda Smith, and she's put up with me for 35 years, and she listened. And I, you know, same thing happened with John Fasenda. I. All I wanted was somebody just listen. And then whatever happens after that, I just. I wanted to have an opportunity and I have a platform here and to be able to use the platform, and I promise I will continue to do that. Mel Kuiper is next on the list to get into the Pro Football hall of Fame. Peter King as well. Yes.

[Larison Campbell]

Marvin, you took the words out of my mouth. I was going to ask, who next would you want to get into the hall of Fame?

[Bob Pittman]

Mel Kuiper.

[Larison Campbell]

And you said Sonny Vaccaro on the basketball side?

[Bob Pittman]

Yes, absolutely.

[Larison Campbell]

Bill Knight is in, but Sonny Vaccaro's not.

[Bob Pittman]

That's a travesty. Well, I hope that Sonny Vaccaro, who really created the shoe wars and he signed Michael Jordan and all these coaches, all of these coaches should be writing to the Basketball hall of Fame and saying, put Sonny Vaccaro in there. All of you guys get together and do that so we don't do this posthumously. And that's what I worried about with Brent. He's 85. I just didn't want that to be. We wish he could have been here. Let's not do that. If we can do it. Final results of the poll question there Seat. No counter.

[Larison Campbell]

Yeah.

[Bob Pittman]

More impressive.

[Larison Campbell]

The Jordan flu game or the Fritzi heel show. Right now that's at 50 50, which I think Todd should take as a major win. Thank you.

[Bob Pittman]

Yeah. Todd had a mishap yesterday during pickleball. I don't know if the rematch is in jeopardy. I'm gonna. We have two weeks before that's gonna happen.

[Larison Campbell]

Todd, the healing process doesn't work in your 50s.

[Bob Pittman]

Healing process. I see what you did. It's your heel. It's the healing process. Would you take drugs to play in the rematch?

[Larison Campbell]

I take my pickleball very seriously. So I would take.

[Bob Pittman]

So if I got some like Toradol, like what NFL players take and I shot you up with that.

[Larison Campbell]

I would take stuff to give horses. I got to get back out there. Blood doping. Whatever you need me to do.

[Bob Pittman]

All right. All right. Well, you, you'll take part. You have the dope already.

[Larison Campbell]

Okay. You got to get one more in.

[Bob Pittman]

Will in Nebraska. Will, thanks for holding. Hey, Will. Dave and Buffalo. I think Will had been holding for over an hour. Won't. In that case, thank you. Hey, Dave.

[Brent Musburger]

Hey, Dan. I was wondering if you think Steve Tasker should be in the hall of Fame.

[Bob Pittman]

And you know, I'm not involved in any of that. If he gets in as a special teams guy, great. I think that we've been more receptive with field goal kickers, punter, you know, they, they go on the football field. Steve Tasker was wonderful. But I mean, I'm trying to get people in, in, in a, in a world that I live in, I'm not part of the pro football voting. Baker and Bozeman. Hey, Bake. Hey, Danny. Happy Friday. Real quick on this topic. There's a major league baseball player that to me is blasphemous that he's not in the hall of Fame and he's a pitcher. And if you look at his statistics.

[Larison Campbell]

I'm going to give you the stats.

[Bob Pittman]

And see if you and the boys can guess who it is. I know we're running out of time, but quickly. So 18 year career. He was five time World Series champion with two different teams. He had a nearly 2,700 strikeouts, was the Major League Baseball wins leader one season won the Cy Young, was a strikeout leader in three different seasons and was one of only 24 pitchers in history to throw up. Perfect game. David Cone. Correct. Okay. Once again, I'm about inclusion. It's up to the guys who crunch the numbers. Cony was great pitcher, but you know he'll get in because he's supposed to get in and the people vote on it. You know, we've entrusted them with this, you know, great honor. Todd, what'd you learn today at the Masters?

[Larison Campbell]

The golfers may think they're the stars, but it's actually Augusta. Same with the Knicks. It's the Garden.

[Bob Pittman]

Seaton.

[Larison Campbell]

Randall Chambly hasn't pissed anybody off this week.

[Bob Pittman]

Not yet.

[Larison Campbell]

Marvin Seaton sometimes gets gout. Paul, that was a great week.

[Bob Pittman]

Thank you, Todd. What did I learn Due to that.

[Larison Campbell]

Deep voice, Gus in LA's friend calls him the Mexican Barry White.

[Bob Pittman]

Have a great weekend everybody. Thanks for joining us.

[Larison Campbell]

In Mississippi, Yazoo clay keeps secrets.

[Bob Pittman]

7,000 bodies out there or more.

[Larison Campbell]

A forgotten asylum cemetery. It was my family's Mystery. Shame, guilt, propriety. Something keeps it all buried deep. Until it's not. I'm Larison Campbell and this is under Yazu Clay. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Brent Musburger]

The championship is back in the bay.

[Bob Pittman]

For the first time in 40 years.

[Larison Campbell]

On the new limited podcast series Dub Dynasty, we hear from head coach Steve Kerr on how Steph Curry almost never even joined the Warriors. In fact, I thought we had a draft, a deal to end up getting him to Phoenix for the entire behind the scenes story of Golden State's incredible 10 year run. Listen to Dub Dynasty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up everyone? It's Greg Rosenthal and I'm teaming up with the King of Spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say that we're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents, the only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season. From DJs mock drafts to my top 101, free agents will have it covered for you with all new episodes every Thursday keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL Draft. Listen to 40s and free agents on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. I'm ready to fight. Oh, this is fighting words. Okay, I'll put the hammer back. Hi, I'm George M. Johnson, a best selling author with a second most banned book in America.

[Bob Pittman]

Now more than ever, we need to.

[Larison Campbell]

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[Bob Pittman]

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[Larison Campbell]

App, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

[Bob Pittman]

Hi, I'm Bob Pippman, chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia. I'm excited to introduce a brand new season of my podcast, Math and Stories from the Frontiers of Marketing. I'm having conversations with some folks across a wide range of industries to hear how they reach the top of their fields and the lessons they learned along the way that everyone can use. I'll be joined by innovative leaders like chairman and CEO of Elf Beauty, Tarang Amin, legendary singer, songwriter and philanthropist Jewel.

[Larison Campbell]

Being a rock star is very fun, but helping people is way more fun.

[Bob Pittman]

And Damian Maldonado, CEO of American Financing.

[Brent Musburger]

I figured out the formula.

[Larison Campbell]

I just have to work hard. Then that's magic.

[Bob Pittman]

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