Hour 3 – Brian Windhorst, 13th Game Madness

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show – Hour 3: Brian Windhorst, Giannis Trade Speculation, and 13th Game Madness

Date: December 4, 2025
Podcast: The Dan Patrick Show (iHeartPodcasts and Dan Patrick Podcast Network)
Episode: Hour 3
Main Guest: Brian Windhorst (ESPN Senior NBA Writer)

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Episode Overview

The final hour of this Dan Patrick Show episode centers on major developments in the NBA and college football. Dan welcomes ESPN’s Brian Windhorst (“Wendy”) for incisive conversation about:

• The rapidly evolving situation with Giannis Antetokounmpo and the Milwaukee Bucks, specifically Giannis’ flirtation with a trade—especially to the New York Knicks.
• The ramifications of that for Milwaukee, the Knicks, and the overall NBA trade landscape.
• Other NBA storylines, including LeBron James’ uncertain future and Chris Paul’s rocky situation with the Clippers.
• The college football “13th game” debate, prompted by recent reports of Vanderbilt seeking to add an extra game to boost playoff considerations.
  As always, the discussion is peppered with the show’s humor, listener calls, and lively debate among the crew.

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Key Topics and Discussion Points

1. Giannis Antetokounmpo’s Trade Speculation and the Bucks’ Dilemma

Featuring: Brian Windhorst (from 03:33), with Dan Patrick and co-hosts

• The Origin of Giannis-to-Knicks Rumors

  • Windhorst reveals that Giannis himself initiated trade conversations:

    “In August, Giannis talked to the Bucks… he showed an interest in wanting to be on the New York Knicks to the point where the Knicks and the Bucks had trade talks.” —Brian Windhorst (04:16)

  • Neither Bucks nor Knicks denied the inquiry, suggesting legitimacy.
  • Knicks were caught off guard, apparently moving to sign Mikal Bridges just before talks, which complicated potential trades due to contract restrictions.

• Summer Bucks Moves and Giannis’ Response

  • Bucks made aggressive roster changes:
    • Cut Dame ($100M dead money).
    • Signed Myles Turner for $100M.
  • These moves apparently didn’t reassure Giannis about the franchise’s direction.

• Family Moves as a Signal

  • Noted that Giannis’ family relocating to Greece could foreshadow bigger decisions.

    “Giannis’s family moved to Greece. If you know anything about Giannis, the family is extraordinarily important to him.” —Brian Windhorst (06:45)

• Key League-Wide Questions

  • Will Giannis formally request a trade?
  • If so, will he provide a list of desired destinations broader than the Knicks?
  • Do the Bucks have to honor such a list, considering his contract status?
  • Dan and Wendy note the Bucks' lack of future draft control complicates their trade calculus.

Notable Quote:

“Will Giannis actually go forward and say, ‘Ok, I want [out]’? Because I don’t think the Bucks are going to get there, Dan, because the Bucks are so mortgaged and so deeply invested in keeping him.” —Brian Windhorst (07:20)

Timestamps:

• Giannis-NBA trade politics: 03:33–12:00

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2. The Knicks, Assets, and Potential Trade Packages

• Discussion around how the Knicks’ lack of meaningful draft assets could restrict a potential deal; it would likely need to be a player-based trade.
• Bucks will probably prefer immediate-impact players over picks, since they don’t control own drafts for several years (10:20).
• Dan speculates if Jalen Brunson would be “off-limits” in trade talks; Wendy agrees that should be the mindset, but doesn't have direct intel.

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3. The Chris Paul Controversy with the Clippers

Timestamps: 12:00–14:30

• Windhorst analyzes the decision to break up with Chris Paul on the road, calling the handling of it “wretched.”
• Suggests Chris Paul’s outspoken personality and diminished role made his stay untenable:

  “When you have a player who is very vocal, who all of a sudden has a small role, it doesn’t work.” (13:14)

• Blames broader Clippers miscalculations rather than just Lawrence Frank.

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4. LeBron James’ Current Role and Uncertain Future

Timestamps: 14:27–19:03

• Question: Is LeBron now the Lakers’ third option? How many years does he realistically have left?
• Wendy praises LeBron’s performance last year but cites two key injuries and the arrival of Luka Doncic as game-changers:
  • First time LeBron has dealt with significant offseason injury issues.
  • Lakers (and Austin Reaves) excelled in his absence, unprecedented in LeBron’s career.
  • Admits LeBron hitting an “unknown territory”—age showing for the first time.
• Future is a true tossup:

  “I was in the camp of, ‘this guy could Tom Brady it’ … But if you watched him play last year, there’s no way you said, ‘that’s a guy about to retire.” (18:16)

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5. College Football “13th Game”—Vanderbilt’s Attempt and the Notre Dame Angle

Begins: 27:09

• The crew discusses Vandy’s failed attempt to schedule a post-regular season, non-conference opponent to bolster playoff consideration (espn report).
• Dan: Is there a cap on regular season games? Yes—usually 12, excepting a “Hawaii exemption.”
• Playful debate: Could/should Notre Dame attempt such tactics as an independent? What if other bubble teams did the same?
• Callers weigh in on the practicality and ethics.

Notable Exchange:

“It is ridiculous that they would even entertain the thought of allowing such a thing… when it’s over, it’s over. That’s your win or loss record.” —Paulie (29:52)

• Deliberations on how a playoff “play-in” could work; mockery about college football’s quirkiness.

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6. Callers, Humor, and Quick Hits

• Multiple callers propose or poke holes in extra games for playoff hopefuls.
• Brief Dallas Cowboys trade/depth chatter, Micah Parsons/Quinnen Williams debate (24:17–26:23).
• Playoff structure, bowl game hypotheticals (34:26).
• Lively Clippers/Lakers banter and long-term franchise stats (40:06+).

7. Notable Quotes and Moments

• On Giannis’ Power:
  “The talks took place, okay… It was Giannis’s idea. Now you can bring people on here and have them testify… the important thing is Giannis watched what the Bucks did over the summer…” —Brian Windhorst (04:25)
• On LeBron's Unknown:
  “We are in completely unknown territory for him. … How long has it been since LeBron’s been in a situation that he hasn’t not only seen, but mastered?” —Brian Windhorst (16:30)
• College Football Madness:
  “Notre Dame feels like the last school that needs this at all in any way, shape, or form. But also, if they beat Army… Okay, great.” —Mark (32:50)

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Timestamps: Major Segments

• 03:33 – Giannis trade situation, Bucks’ perspective (Windhorst interview begins)
• 07:39 – Why Knicks (and other potential teams) for Giannis?
• 10:20 – Knicks’ assets, Bucks’ draft problems, logic for a player-assets deal
• 12:00 – Chris Paul and the Clippers’ poor handling
• 14:47 – LeBron’s future and changing role
• 19:03 – Windhorst interview ends
• 27:09 – “13th game” debate starts: Vanderbilt, Notre Dame playoff hypotheticals
• 34:26 – Discussion on bowl matchups, committee implications
• 40:06+ – Callers, humorous moments, Clippers/Lakers comparison

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Tone & Style

• Conversational, humorous, sometimes irreverent: Dan and the crew ask direct questions, make jokes, and riff on modern sports absurdities.
• Journalistic authority: Windhorst brings credibility and inside knowledge, especially on complicated NBA dynamics.
• Inclusive of listeners: Multiple call-ins, fan questions, and audience poll references.

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Summary for the Uninitiated

If you haven’t heard this episode, you’ll come away with a strong sense of why Giannis’ situation in Milwaukee is so volatile and why the Bucks—even after drastic moves—aren’t settled. You’ll understand potential scenarios for a blockbuster NBA trade, the realities of modern team-building, and why New York (or other teams) would loom large in the conversation.

Wendy also powerfully frames the end-game for LeBron’s career, giving both context and uncertainty as the Lakers enter uncharted waters. The college football side is full of classic Dan Patrick banter—tackling bizarre postseason machinations with tongue-in-cheek seriousness and playful ideas, making this not just informative but flat-out fun.

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Memorable Quotes With Timestamps

• "In August, Giannis talked to the Bucks... he showed an interest in wanting to be on the New York Knicks." —Brian Windhorst (04:16)
• "Giannis's family moved to Greece. If you know anything about Giannis, family is extraordinarily important…" —Brian Windhorst (06:45)
• "When you have a player who is very vocal, who all of a sudden has a small role—it doesn’t work." —Brian Windhorst on Chris Paul (13:14)
• "We are in completely unknown territory for him [LeBron]. ... How long has it been since LeBron’s been in a situation that he hasn’t not only seen, but mastered?" —Brian Windhorst (16:30)
• "It is ridiculous that they would even entertain the thought of allowing such a thing… when it’s over, it’s over. That’s your win or loss record." —Paulie on Vanderbilt’s 13th game request (29:52)
• "Notre Dame feels like the last school that needs this at all in any way, shape, or form." —Mark (32:50)

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Conclusion

This hour is a goldmine of NBA insider reporting, sharp football commentary, and trademark Dan Patrick humor—balancing expert analysis and lighthearted debate for devoted and casual listeners alike.

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[Paulie]

100% sure where we are? Because one of the things that I've been talking to league executive types about in the last 24 hours is do we think that this time the Giannis will actually go all the way and formally say it's time to trade me? Because he's rattled the saber before and he, you know, one of the more fascinating stories that came out of this whole summer, and it didn't come out in the summer, it came out in October. And Sham Sterania, my colleague at espn, reported it. But in, in August, Giannis talked to the Bucks. And different people can use different verbs here, and I'm not trying to, like, step on anybody, but he showed an interest in wanting to be on the New York Knicks and to the point where the Knicks and the Bucs had trade talks. And I know what Doc river said yesterday said Giannis didn't ask to be traded. Okay, he may not have said those words. I promise you, the Bucks, it wasn't their idea, okay? And I know that it caught the Knicks by surprise, Dan. And you know how I know? Because like two weeks before, they signed Mikhail Bridges to a contract extension, a really good contract extension. Nice one. And it's not that they wouldn't have signed him or that they absolutely were going to trade him in that deal, but once you signed him to that you can't trade him for six months. So if you were thought that you were about to potentially enter a very important negotiation, you wouldn't take one of those guys off the table. So I think it caught the Knicks off guard too. And so what I think happened was it was Giannis's idea. Now you can bring people on here and have them testify or whatever. It's fine. The talks took place, okay. And the important thing is Giannis watched what the Bucks did over the summer, which was do this crazy move. It was a 200 million dollar move. They cut Dame, making a hundred million dollars in dead money, and then they signed Mile. Miles Turner for a hundred million. So they took a hundred million dollar problem, which was a player in his 30s recovered from Achilles, and they made it a $200 investment for miles Turner, who is a quality player, just helped the team to get to the Finals. An excellent, a high quality role player, but not a star player. He saw those moves and then he said, I have some interest in becoming a Knick. Okay, so, so that happened and it didn't come out until October. And at that point Giannis, they had signed his two brothers, you know, and Giannis was playing for the Bucks and everything. But like that was a real indication of what yacht where Giannis's head was at. Here's the other thing. Giannis family moved to Greece. If you know anything about Giannis, the family is extraordinarily important to him. It's one of the reasons why the Bucks have signed his two brothers because they know how important it is to have his family with him that he said is. And he might have had 10 reasons to send his family to Greece. But again, these are actions that you're looking at going, you know, so if so, what the league is wondering is knowing what happened in the summer, knowing about the other stuff, knowing that the team is not doing well. Although they had their best win of the year last night. They beat the, the Pistons without Giannis.

Will Giannis actually go forward and say, okay, I want. Because I. Because I don't think the Bucks are going to get there, Dan, because the Bucks are so mortgaged and so deeply invested in keeping him. And I actually don't blame them. And so that's really what the question is, is will Giannis take the next step besides the saber rattling that he's.

[Dan Patrick]

Done before, why the Knicks?

[Paulie]

Good question. You know, he, he really, you know, in all of the, all of the discussions from Giannis and from John Horst, their general manager, and Doc, no one Denied those talks took place. The Knicks certainly didn't deny it. And I thought, I know that they happened. And you know, I will say that if you were in a vacuum choosing where to go, you would want to go to the Eastern Conference. You know, I think, you know, you know, you, we want to stay East. And so if you looked at the Eastern Conference and you said, well, where would I want to be as a player? Where do I think I can, you know, make a big impact? Where could we win right away? Like New York rises to the top. You could make some cases for some other teams. You know, Miami, for example, you know, maybe Atlanta, maybe Boston, all that. That type of trade would be a lot more complicated. But like, you know, if you go through that process, I could see how, you know, Toronto would be as. It would be an interesting team. Now that's actually kind of interesting team because, you know, international players seem to like Toronto. But I think, you know, in August, I think New York made some sense. And it may not have made some sense from what the Knicks were in position to trade at the time. And I certainly don't think the Bucks were motivated to do it. Like, they probably wanted everything the Knicks could possibly offer before they would even get mildly interested. But that's the other question is if Giannis does so the. The. There's really three questions that have been involved on my phone for the last 24 hours. One, will Giannis actually go to the point where he says I want to be traded because he hasn't gotten to that point yet or before. Two, if he does get traded, will the list be longer than the Knicks than it was just a one team thing over the summer. And three, if Giannis has a list, let's say there's three teams, let's say there's six teams, whatever. Do the Bucks have to deal do business with just his list? Because he does have one year left on his contract plus a player option. So next year you'd be faced with, with having Giannis in a walk year. So typically in that situation, you would, if you were trading for a guy, you'd want to know he is staying, especially if you're given a lot of stuff for him. But it's funny, Dan, as I've talked to people in the league, people don't necessarily think that would necessarily be true with Giannis. So I'm, I'm not sure. But those are the three questions and the topics that are going around the league right now.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm guessing Brunson would be off limits with The Knicks, that would be the only guy that'd be off limits.

[Paulie]

I would advise them. I haven't, I don't have insight, I don't have insight on that, but I would. So the challenge with the Knicks is they really don't have meaningful draft assets to give. Some of these other teams we could mention have their own draft picks and other teams draft picks that they can offer. The Knicks don't have draft picks. So you would have to make it a player based trade. And here's the thing about the Bucks. It's important to understand the Bucks and this is this sort of backs up why they've doubled, tripled, quadrupled down. They don't control, I think their next three or four drafts. They've either traded the pick away or they've traded the swap away. Certainly this year and next year I know for sure, I think even 28 too. And so when you're in that position, you really can't enter into a trade thinking, well, we're going to rebuild because you don't control your pick. And there's a few teams in the NBA right now who are in bad shape, who don't control their pick and they're in hell. And so Milwaukee would probably have, if they, you know, Milwaukee's probably doesn't want this to happen at all. But if they get to the point where they have to trade them, they're probably going to look to make a player based trade or the draft assets that they're going to get are going to be third party teams. In other words, if you do a team with, if you do a deal with a team that you're trading Giannis to and you're getting their picks for the next couple years, that's not that exciting because that team's theoretically going to be good if that team has a third team's picks. Yeah, you'd be interested in that so that it doesn't rely on your performance or that team with Giannis's performance. But now you're threading a needle. So that's another reason why New York would make some sense. They have some players that the, that the Bucks could get that would help them retrofit their team right now.

[Dan Patrick]

Talking to Brian Windhorst, ESPN Senior NBA writer, help me understand the Chris Paul situation of why it had to happen on the road in Atlanta.

[Paulie]

Well, that seems crazy, you know, and one of the things that Lawrence Frank. So first off, Lawrence Frank had this press conference yesterday. The general manager, the president, I think his president is his title and first off, he said, put all the blame on me. Which.

Maybe Lawrence wanted to do it, but I promise you, it was not only him who wanted to do it, but doing it the way they did it. He. He said that they made the decision on Sunday. Dan. Okay, let's just, let's just take that for the truth.

Why was he in Miami on Monday? They're starting a long road trip.

And, you know, Lawrence explained that the reason this happened in the middle of the night was because their flight was delayed by five hours, which it was. They didn't land in Atlanta Airport until 9:30. You know how long it is to get from Atlanta Airport to downtown? It doesn't take five minutes. They met at 11 o' clock and the meeting went several hours.

So why do you do it at 11 o'? Clock? You know, I don't, you know, so, like, the actual functionality of the way they handled it is wretched, the decision. You've been around sports for a long time. When you have a player who is very vocal, who all of a sudden has a small role, it doesn't work. Chris Paul's whole career, he's been very vocal. He's been vocal with the officials, he's been vocal with his coach, the opposing coach. He's been vocal with the opposing star player, with his star player, with his role players. Imagine what he says off the court. You can just see what he says on the court. And when you're the star player, then the point guard and you're playing all 82 games and your team is competing for conference titles or whatever, that's one thing. When you're doing that and the team is sinking and you're of a much smaller role, it doesn't work. I, I knew this 20 years ago when I started the NBA. This is a bit of a classic case situation. And you could say, well, then why the Clippers bring him in knowing that he would have a small role and that this was possible. That's fair. And I would just say that of the Clippers miscalculations this season, it's on the list, but there's a long list of Clippers miscalculations so far.

[Dan Patrick]

When do you feel like we'll get a true sense of LeBron's role with the Lakers? If is he a third option now? And, you know, I guess the future of how long does he want to play, feel like he can play and being a maybe a third option for the Lakers and what role that plays?

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It's an interesting set of circumstances that's happened because I thought LeBron was awesome last year. He was second team all NBA. I thought he looked great. You know, the Lakers had a disappointing end of the season. There was a bad matchup for them with Minnesota, but I thought that they really achieved in the regular season. You know, they got the three seed. I mean, I know the difference between the three and the six was really tight, but they got it.

And you know, people were saying to me, why do you think this is it for LeBron? And I'm like, no, like, look at him. He's still one of the top 10, 15 players in the league. And then a couple of things happened. First off, he had two injuries, Dan. So he sprained his knee in the last playoff game against the Wolves. In fact, had they extended that series, I don't know if he could have played. He missed training. He was out for weeks. He had, you know, he's never missed a playoff game in all, you know, 20 years in the playoffs. He's never missed a playoff game. I'm not sure he wouldn't be able to play in the next game. So he had this knee injury. Then he hits the sciatica. So he has the most injured off season he's ever had, which maybe isn't a surprise at age 40, but it's still completely new. Also, they get Luca. So LeBron was already having a great season. LeBron played well when Luca, after Luca got there. But the Luca thing happens, then he has the injuries. Okay, so these are two things that we've never seen. We've never seen him not be the A1, a guy on his team. We've never seen him have off season injuries before. Then his team without him plays really, really well. Absolutely never happened. Maybe his team has been able to keep their nose above water when he's been out. Whether it's been for, you know, a week or a month, they've never achieved. You've never looked at a team that has missed LeBron for multiple games and gone, man, they're doing great. And Austin Reaves having a career year. So you've got this series of circumstances that he's never experienced before, not to mention not getting able to start a season, not having to have a training camp. So we are in completely unknown territory for him. It would be unknown territory if any one of those things was true. Now the whole menu is true. And by the way, he rejoins the team as the number one scorer in the history of the league, where the two guys on his team are in the top 10 in scoring. Reeves and Luca are like one in nine. I don't. Haven't checked it today. Maybe, maybe Reeves has dropped a little bit, but when he came back, I think they were one in eight. So you're asking, you're. This is a completely different situation he's ever done and the team's winning, you know, you're not coming in, and boy, the team's struggling and now you can. So I think he is absolutely in a little bit of the deep end of the pool that he's never been in before. I mean, how long has it been since LeBron's been in a situation that he hasn't not only seen, but mastered? So this is awkward and he's showing his age. You know, the other night in that game was really a game where I really thought LeBron looked like an older player for the first time, where he wasn't getting left. I mean, he had no rebounds, no steals, no blocks. That's never happened in 23 years. Thousands of games. So you're asking a really relevant question. I don't think anybody knows. I think he's going through this day to day, trying to figure it out.

[Dan Patrick]

Would you be more surprised if he played another year or he retired at the end of this year?

[Paulie]

I am. I thought, you know, even as recently as last spring, he has years left. I was not entertaining that this was going to be it, regardless of the contract, which as that's also something he's never experienced before, but it's not really relevant. I don't think that's affecting his day to day now. I'm just, I'm. I'm just in the middle of. I don't know. And I know it's an unsatisfactory answer. And I think LeBron has pretty much said the same thing. He said, I don't know. I think Rich Paul, his agent, has said, I don't know, I don't know. But that's a, that's a departure for me because I was in the camp of this guy. Could Tom Brady it? Like, I mean, and he still could Tom Brady it. But if you watched him play last year, there's no way you said, that's a guy about to retire.

[Dan Patrick]

Wendy, thank you. I know you're busy. Thanks for joining.

[Paulie]

Thanks, Dan. Have a good day.

[Dan Patrick]

That's Brian Windhorst, ESPN senior NBA writer. And I remember when he brought this up, it was in the preseason about Giannis and the Knicks, and then it kind of just, I don't know, that flittered away. And then all of a sudden it resurfaced and then, you know, Shams is talking about he wants out and next thing you know he's playing in the game last night and then he's out in the first quarter, gets injured. Now all of a sudden trade speculation and which teams could pony up for Giannis. But Brian was on that story a few months ago. We'll take a break. We'll get to more phone calls coming up. We're back after this in the Dan Patrick Show.

[Paulie]

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Hey, Dan. Got a big game tonight. Dallas and Detroit wanted to run something by you. You know, it's Christmas time and there and there's no Cowboys gear in the DP store. If the Cowboys win tonight, turn up some shirts says Jerry was right.

We don't have to print up T shirts to say some of that, you know, but we were talking about the Micah and thank you for the phone call, Cody. I know Jerry's getting credit, a little more credit. But if they don't bring in Quinn and Williams, then that defense is not as formidable as it's been. We're talking about Micah Parsons and the trade they made with Micah Parsons I didn't think was a great trade for Dallas, but if you get assets from the packers and you can use them and then you bring in Quinn and Williams. Okay. Now we can assess that trade. And I think Dallas, let's put it this way, Green Bay is going to do that trade no matter what. If you said, hey, you want to do it again? Green Bay is going to say yes. And Dallas can say, well, we'll do it again because we're going to bring in Quinn and Williams. Yes. Yes. Paulie.

[Paulie]

The one thing about Quinn and Williams, he's way less expensive than Micah Parsons. He's eight and a half million this year. He's 22 million next year and 25 million the next year after that, 2027.

[Dan Patrick]

So you're.

[Paulie]

It's half the investment, less than half the investment for a pretty high end player who's still in his prime.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but they don't have a pass rusher. So he's really good at what he's being paid to do. But Micah Parsons is in an elite category. He's going to be second for defensive player of the year. He's still a great player and he's a difference maker. Quinn and Williams is one of those guys that you have to watch the game and you go, man, he's in on a lot of these tackles and he kind of clutters up the middle. He does that and he's been great. And Dallas is a better than average defense now. And that's what we said. If they were better than average with that offense that's above average, they would be a playoff team. So it's no surprise. But Jerry. Jerry fumbled the Micah Parsons deal because that could have been done a while ago. And, and, and Jerry let pride and ego get into it and then they. It turned out good. It turned out well for Dallas, but Green Bay is probably thrilled that they have Micah Parsons.

[Paulie]

Yeah, Paulie, they also got George pickens for a third round draft pick and a fifth round in 2027, which this year working out fantastic.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, yeah. They, they took a chance on a guy who was in the final year of his contract and it's turned out well. But there's a reason why it didn't work out in Pittsburgh. And that was. Would be what I would be aware of or beware of because once he gets that contract and he's going to want CD Lamb money and he is outperformed CD Lamb. Are you going to give him that kind of money? So you'd be wrapped up with Dax money, CD Lamb and then you'd have George Pickens. So you would have what almost you'd have a hundred million dollars in three players.

That would be a little bit of a concern for me. Just a little bit. Paulie brought this up to me yesterday and we weren't on the air and he said he was kind of joking but you know, kind of half serious and he goes, here's Notre Dame and Notre Dame not in a conference, so they can't play another game. And if they could play another game and maybe they beat Air Force Academy or something, you kind of stay in the conversation and maybe that helps your playoff push here. Well, it turns out Vanderbilt, according to espn Pete Thamel, Vanderbilt was trying to schedule another game. They're not going to be in the SEC title game. And Vandy was like, well, okay, we got two losses. We're not going to be in the playoff picture. I think they might be 13th and they're 10 and 2 and they're saying can, can we schedule a game? And I don't know if the NCAA or the SEC said no, you can't as much as there were obstacles to try to play that game. But I don't know, is there a limit on the number of games that you can play during a regular season? As college football capped the number of games that you can play during the regular season? Because we know if you get into the playoffs, you're going to play, you know, two, three more games. But can you add, just add a game?

Vanderbilt tried and they were told that there are too many obstacles in the way this according to espn.

[Paulie]

Yes, Paul, but according to this ESPN report, it was that they couldn't get it together in time to put together a game. Not necessarily that the SEC or NCAA said no to them, but what a sport that, that a team says, you know what, with a week's notice we're going to add a football game just to boost our resume. An exhibition game, I guess, exempt game. And, and that is even a possibility in the sport that was pursued.

[Dan Patrick]

Wait, it was going to be an exhibition game?

[Paulie]

Well, it was going to be an exempt game. Like it's not on the regular schedule. It would be just an add on game like you said, versus army or Yukon or someone like that that's independent. But it's, it's unclear that if they could have done it, if they got their stuff together.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, I wonder about this. When you have conference title games and then you have some schools that, you know, Notre Dame doesn't have a conference that they're in, you know, that's on Notre Dame. But could Notre Dame have added A game, you know, if it was army, like, what's the downside to that other than if you don't play well? But I think they're trying to stay in the conversation, and their schedule in the second half of the season wasn't very good. You know, you're. You're watching them play really good football, but you're not going, oh, they beat Oklahoma or they beat Tennessee. Yes, Todd, the schedule is the schedule.

[Paulie]

That is ridiculous that they would even entertain the thought of allowing such a thing.

[Dan Patrick]

This is your schedule.

[Paulie]

Here's your opportunity. These are the schools, some of them, that you decided to play against, whether it's a strong or not strong team. And that's just way it is. When it's over, it's over. That's your win or loss record.

[Dan Patrick]

You can't all of a sudden try to add a game.

[Paulie]

Think about that. In any other sport, that would be insane.

[Dan Patrick]

Seaton.

You know, football teams, pro or NFL, pro or college, don't seem to be in the business of just adding games because it'd be fun, you know. Well, yeah, there's a bigger picture here, and that is we want to stay on your radar. We want to show you just how good we are. We're not playing. Therefore, Notre Dame doesn't have that problem of staying on the radar. They. They don't need an extra game to be like, ah, see, we actually do deserve it. If anything, you're risking, like, injury, another loss, another. The downside to me is way stronger than, you know, throwing in another game to be like, I see when we beat them, too. Yeah, I think even Notre Dame needs a little attention. You got Marcus Freeman going on the Today show. Fly to New York, go on Today show and talk about Notre Dame and then the season. And that just felt like a, oh, we got to get something going here. We got to get people, you know, continuing to talk about us. Because if BYU beats Texas Tech, I don't think Notre Dame's in, plain and simple. But Notre Dame is, like, the only school that has their own network or where they were for the longest time. That the whole thing. The biggest criticism of Notre Dame since my whole life has been that they're so overexposed.

Well, then why go on the Today show? The timing of that, to go on the Today show was just surprising. I think for Marcus Freeman that. Yes. You're with NBC and there's some programming with behind the scenes with Notre Dame football.

[Paulie]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

I mean, he's. He's the only coach in the country.

[Paulie]

That can do that.

[Dan Patrick]

Because. Because he's the Notre Dame head coach. Not because he's like begging for airtime.

[Paulie]

He's.

[Dan Patrick]

He's the only one. They're not having any other college coaches on. They just had that one on. Because that's how big they are. Well, no, they have a partnership with NBC. But why would he go to New York to talk about a behind the scenes Notre Dame series that's not on NBC? It felt like he was. It felt like it was twofold. It was like, hey, just letting everybody know what we do at Notre Dame football branding, maybe for an audience that's not really a football audience. That. That to me was surprising. It felt like there was there. It felt like there was more to that, that he's going on the Today show just to remind people or say, hey, we're Notre Dame football. And they may get left out of the playoffs. Yes, Mark, but Notre Dame feels like the last school that needs this at all in any way, shape or form. But also, if they beat army, say.

[Paulie]

They played another game.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, great. You beat army, you're still not getting in the playoffs.

[Paulie]

And then you would have to molly whop them. You would have to kill them, because.

[Dan Patrick]

College football is about style, points. So if you play them and you beat army 20 to 10, they're going to be, look, they barely beat a service academy, so they're not going to get Andy. If Andy plays Army, they're not getting into the playoffs. But they were trying to play another game. Yeah, I don't see the point in this either way for either school.

[Paulie]

Why?

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, Paul, I have a little more.

[Paulie]

Detail on this, this Vandy thing. According to Yahoo Sports, it would be a game that would never count on their official record in the NCAA record books if they added a game this weekend. And there's no guarantee that the playoff committee would look at it or be allowed to look at it because it's not a game under the NCAA's jurisdiction. And I looked up Diego Pavi is not on the View tomorrow.

[Dan Patrick]

Tomorrow he's not going to be.

[Paulie]

Not chopping up with the ladies.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. All right. Okay. But he might be on the CBS Morning show with Gail King.

[Paulie]

Check it.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, of course, if he brings, if he brings his mom, then they would probably have them on. Absolutely. I don't. Adding another game, though, was kind of interesting. Yeah, but Paulie brought that up with Notre Dame. If you play another game and I'm like, unless you're playing a really good team that you know, on a neutral site or something, then Maybe, but I can't see them. Hey, we're. We're gonna play army, all right? And. And we won 44 to 7. We should be in the playoffs. Yeah.

[Paulie]

Paulie, if BYU wins and Notre Dame is out of the playoffs, the byu Texas bowl game matchup would be the best one you could put together. I don't know which bowl would have first, right? Citrus bowl or whatever it may be, but if you could put together Texas and Notre Dame in a bowl game, that'd be fantastic.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Yes. Todd.

[Paulie]

If a school would ever have the right to play one extra game to prove that they belong in, it should work the other way as well. Any other school that are on the fence should be forced into play a.

[Dan Patrick]

Game and they run the risk of getting knocked out. If it looked like they were going.

[Paulie]

To get that 11 or 12th spot. It can't just work one way. At the very end, you create this new game.

[Dan Patrick]

Couple of phone calls here. 8, 7, 7, 3 DP show Adam in LA. Hi, Adam. What's on your mind today? Hey, Dad. I think you're stumbling onto something here.

[Paulie]

That could satisfy sort of the.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, we got. Screw. We were left out. What about the two teams that are sort of on the bubble here, like Vanderbilt, Notre Dame. You guys play for the 12th spot. We've called you guys 13 and 12, and you guys play it out.

A play in game is what you're talking about, Adam. Oh, brother. Don't give him any.

[Paulie]

It's not the play in. It's called.

[Dan Patrick]

It's the first round, okay? It's not the play.

It'll be the first four. Yes.

[Paulie]

In all seriousness, this has been brought up before. Some type of play in game for the 12th spot. But next weekend, not this weekend, is Army Navy standalone. There are FCS games, playoff games, but that would be a touchy one because Army Navy gets the weekend to themselves. Of course, tradition usually gets bought out, but if you could have a night game after Army Navy as the day game, it's a playing game that could possibly work.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, boy. Fred in. Fred in West Virginia. Hey, Fred, what's on your mind? Hey, Dan, thank you for working through it this week, man. You're doing a great job. In the spirit of great content, which we all know you love, Wendy made me think a little bit. The possibility of Giannis going to Dallas Mavericks, they could get under. They could get out from under. Ad They've got some. They've got some. Some drafts they could offer up. I think it would be a lot.

[Paulie]

Of fun to watch.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, but here's the thing, Fred. We always look at these trades and they're one sided and you go, boy, look at what Dallas is going to get. If I'm Milwaukee, I don't want Anthony Davis. I don't like I want Cooper flag. But I, I don't. Why, why would I want Anthony Davis? Dallas probably doesn't want Anthony Davis. But thank you, Fred. If I could put Giannis in there with Dallas but no, make it seem like, oh, I don't know, somebody want Anthony Davis.

I don't know. And what are you getting in return for Anthony Davis? Aiden in Utah Hidden. Thanks for holding. What's, what's on your mind? Adp? Yeah, quick thing. Vanderbilt went from being a cute little story, you know, wow, this poverty team has now turned into a, maybe a powerhouse in the SEC to almost unbearable. Hey Diego, if you would have won those two games you lost instead of trying to, you know, strengthen your Heisman campaign and like play team football, maybe you'd be in the playoff contention. Just win your games.

All right. Aiden on fire today.

Yeah.

[Paulie]

If Vandy is getting called out for decisions on national sports radio, you've become a football school. If you're trying to play an extra game to impress the they need just a couple recruiting violations and they're officially a football school.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. They need to get caught cheating. Yeah. Then they could be a big time program here. All right, we'll take a break. Last call for phone calls. What we learned, what's in store tomorrow and this day in sports history. After this, Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our [e-mail] and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Last call for phone calls. What we learn what's in store tomorrow. Nice to know that one of my college football sources is listening to the program. Adding a 13th game can't just happen, especially for appeal to the committee. There is a Hawaii exemption. A Hawaii exemption? If an FBS team plays a game in Hawaii, it's allowed to schedule one additional regular season game. It applies whether the team travels to Hawaii or host Hawaii. The purpose is to offset increased travel cost. So if a Mountain west or PAC 12 school plays at Hawaii, they can schedule a 13th game. The NCAA officially allowed a 12 game regular season that began in 2006. So you get to play 12 games?

[Paulie]

Yes, Paul, I wonder if teams know that tidbit because you could go out to Hawaii early in the season and then add another team late. In the season and boost your schedule.

[Dan Patrick]

Maybe Notre Dame needs to do that.

[Paulie]

Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

Schedule, Hawaii.

[Paulie]

What if everyone learned about this and the next thing you know, Hawaii's got Alabama coming to town. Notre Dame, Vandy.

[Dan Patrick]

Everybody wants to play Hawaii. Well, who wouldn't want to go to Hawaii anyway? Yeah. Tony in California. Hi, Tony. What's on your mind today? Hey, guys, how's it going today? Beautiful day. Thank you. Hey, so first of all, I want to compliment you guys were so nice to me. It's first time I ever called into sports soccer radio show and you guys were so kind. I want to congratulate you on that. Thanks.

You sure it was us, Tony? Yeah, it was you. Yeah, it was you. I told you, you know, I told you God sent me to lsu. But anyways, I want to talk about the Clippers, if I could. Okay. I need your help, man. What am I going to do with this team? I've been so brook in San Diego used to go Clipper games. Jerome Whitehead will be free. You know, Freeman Williams, you know Danny Manning. But what are we going to do? Like we got rid of. You should have known. You should have known back then of what was in store for you.

You can't quit now. I mean, come on. Gone through. I was going to say the highs and lows, but it's. It's. It's lows and some higher lows, but yeah, it's a mess. Sorry about that, Tony. Yeah. Seaton. I get the sense Tony was being facetious there about her. His first time calling in and we were kind to him. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. I thought he was being very. Tony, were you being serious or sarcastic there?

No, very serious.

[Paulie]

Yeah. No.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. I said I never called the sports show, but back 20 years ago, I called Jim Rome. They were rude. I like Jim Rome, but he was rude.

Rack him. Thank you, Tony. I am out.

Yes, Paul.

[Paulie]

You know, the Clippers have made the postseason 14 of the past 16 years. They used to have dry spells where they go eight or nine years without even a postseason appearance. They haven't gone very deep, but they're in it.

[Dan Patrick]

Ish. Well, half the league makes the playoffs.

[Paulie]

I'm trying to spin it Positive.

[Dan Patrick]

I know, but you can't go, man. We make okay, then you must love what the Steelers have been doing. They make the playoffs. Yes, Marvin, but if you're the Clippers, you were the worst franchise in all of American sports.

[Paulie]

And I'm pretty confident in saying that for most of my childhood. But when Chris Paul got there, they.

[Dan Patrick]

Became a Respectable franchise.

[Paulie]

You know what?

[Dan Patrick]

They're contender. Ish. Remember when Arsenio hall and Billy Crystal would go and we'd like, man, you know, they got their celebrities there. I think it was just those two where you go to a Laker game and the entire, you know, first row surrounding the court. Celebrities. Yes. Mark, don't forget about Frankie Nunez from.

[Paulie]

Malcolm in the Middle.

[Dan Patrick]

He was a Clippers fan, too, apparently. I. I did forget about Frankie.

[Paulie]

Three big stars.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. All right.

Man. The Clippers thought they had it figured out. You know what? We're gonna trade this guy sga. We're gonna get Paul George and we're gonna give them draft picks. Like, okay, we're gonna bring in Kawhi. We're gonna give Kawhi phantom jobs. We're gonna. We're gonna bring him in. It doesn't matter. He's gonna be ready for the postseason. Hey, you know what? How about James Harden? Let's bring him in as well. Okay. Yeah. Paulie, here's a weird stat for you.

[Paulie]

In the past 13 seasons, the Clippers have made the postseason 11 times. In the past 13 seasons, the Lakers have made the postseason five times.

[Dan Patrick]

You'd win a bit.

Start of the day, Start of the day. Start of the day.

[Paulie]

Start.

[Dan Patrick]

This is the start of the day.

But if I said to a Clipper fan, you're gonna make the playoffs five times, but you're gonna win an NBA championship, are you gonna make it 11 consecutive times? I know what your answer would be. Should be Ray in Massachusetts. Good morning, Ray. What's on your mind? How you doing, Dan? You do a well job always. I loved you ever since you were on espn, and I want to shout out my Chicago Bears.

I'm born and raised in Springfield, but I'm a diehard Chicago Bears fan and Cubs fan, unfortunately.

Well, you guys did win a championship not too long ago. Thank you, Ray. Thank you.

Great job all around there. I want to share the wealth. It's not just for me, everybody. Todd, that's very nice. No, I'm saying. Not you.

It's awkward.

[Paulie]

Got very awkward just now.

[Dan Patrick]

Nick in Colorado. Hi, Nick. What's on your mind? Hey, Dan. 6 foot 165.

The only thing I was going to suggest for the College Football Playoff is why don't they just make it a tournament style like basketball, Maybe a certain win percentage or conference.

You know what your record is in the conference gets you in and, you.

[Paulie]

Know, you get about half or a.

[Dan Patrick]

Quarter of the teams and all the different conferences, and nobody could complain that they weren't allowed to come in and compete. I don't know why Division 3 playoffs works, but it doesn't work for, you know, higher grades, higher levels. FCS seems to work. I don't know. I don't know if adding more teams solves everything, but I'm told that they're not going to 14 or 16 teams next year and would probably be the year after that that they're going to do that. How about this day in sports history? Paul, do you got anything couple for you?

[Paulie]

This is Old School. 1977, Tony Dorsett of the Cowboys as a Rookie ran for 206 yards against the Eagles. Only the third rookie in history to run for more than 200 yards in a game. Bonus coverage. Who has the rookie rushing record for a single game? And I think it might be the all time rushing record for a single game.

Who wants a piece of it.

[Dan Patrick]

Marvin? Adrian Peterson.

[Paulie]

Bloop. Bloop. Adrian Peterson in his eighth game ran for 296 yards on 30 carries, 9.9 yards of carry, three touchdowns.

[Dan Patrick]

Now he's fighting guys at poker games.

[Paulie]

Man.

[Dan Patrick]

Let me see. Anything else here?

No, I got one more. Anything else?

[Paulie]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Paulie]

1987, Kareem Abdul Jabbar was held to seven points in a game. He had scored at least 10 in the game the previous 787 games. That broke history.

[Dan Patrick]

LeBron's up to 1200. He just got that the other night where it seemed like he was staying in the game to be able to get his 10 points. Is that right, Marvin?

[Paulie]

When you're on the court with your son, that's not good.

[Dan Patrick]

Just jacking up threes. No good.

[Paulie]

What a chucker.

[Dan Patrick]

But he did get. He got the double digits though. I think he extended his streak. It's the all time record. What'd you learn, Todd?

[Paulie]

We all learned from Paulie and his four years at Duke. Christian Lehner lost just 26 games as.

[Dan Patrick]

A rookie with the T Wolves.

[Paulie]

63 games lost that season.

[Dan Patrick]

Seaton, what did you learn? The Hawaii exemption. Yes. Who knew? Marvin.

[Paulie]

Between the limes.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, Baldy. We're all going to Hawaii. Enjoy the football tonight. We'll recap it tomorrow for Fritzy, Seaton, Marv, Paulie, yours truly in the brgs. We'll talk to you on Friday. This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.