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It'll be NBC and Peacock kicking off the season from the Big House, New Mexico against number 14, Michigan. Here comes Saturday night 877-3-DP show. We'll get some more phone calls. Operator Tyler sitting by to take your calls. And we'll have a new poll question coming up. Just sort of a random thought here. The Kentucky Wildcat starting quarterback this year is Zach Calzada or Zeta. He played at A M, Auburn Incarnate Word. And now he's at Kentucky. He's older than Drake May, Bryce Young, C.J. stroud, Jaden Daniels. He'll turn 25 this season. This is the last of the COVID QBs, I believe, because we had a few that would be 23, 24 years of age and you'd see that in March Madness too. There'd be guys that are 25, 26 and there's a big difference. If you ever played competitive Sports when you're 18 and somebody might be 22 or 23, that's like you're on the freshman team and they're on the varsity team. It is a night and day difference in just your development. You come in as 18 or 19 year old, next thing you know you're 25. Big, big difference there. At least in basketball. I don't know if this really helps him. He's 25, so he's been to a couple of different programs, maybe mature. He's a pretty good player. But bounced around to now on his fourth school. Shouldn't they limit, shouldn't there be like a cap, like how many schools you can go to? Maybe three. Maybe you got to graduate by the time you're 24. Cam Ward had a few, then he have three of them. He had Incarnate Word as well. He hit the word. Yeah, word. All right, Seaton poll question for the final hour of the program is what? Well we, we had up there if you could sign one in your in their prime, Aaron Donald or T.J. watt. What people are referring to this poll question is saying is 15 of our audience are Steelers fans because those are the only people in the world who would possibly vote for DJ Watt in this situation. Okay, Aaron Donald's got 85% of that vote. He's cleaning up. Aaron Donald is the right answer. Yeah. Just saying. Great player. Great, great, great. One of the all time greats, in my opinion. All right, so that's the final poll question there. I saw where Caitlin Clark has a new shoe out and Angel Reese applauding. Does Angel Reese have her own shoe? She does. Oh, okay, good. I don't want that, that nightmare happening. Go sold more shoes. Kate. Caitlin Clark doesn't have to play another game and she could sell shoes the rest of her life probably. She could be like Michael Jordan. You know, Jordan hadn't played in how many years, but his shoes have never been more popular. Caitlin Clark in that demo, that market could probably just sell shoes. Yeah, Paulie. Yeah, the whole line comes out on October 1st. What'd you guys think of the logo? It's kind of like two Cs combined together. It reminds you of something, doesn't it, Marvin? What's it remind you of? Chanel. Chanel lawyers will be calling Nike sooner than later. I thought maybe that she might run into a little bit of trouble there. But then I don't. You know, Nike's not afraid of kind of bringing in controversy. But it's okay. I didn't think it was great. I was like, okay, but you got your Caitlyn Clark shoe. How many, how many WNBA players? Sabrina Ionescu has her shoe. Brianna Stewart, Angel Reese, Asia Wilson. That's it. That's it. Okay, Larry. Well, pretty good. Is there a favorite shoe? Did you wait until after you were old enough that you had the money that you could go back and buy shoes? Because I couldn't afford them growing up. I remember wearing high top Converse and they were 9.99. I remember buying them at a discount store in downtown Cincinnati. Ben's Department Store. $9.99. But there were these Adidas superstars. Oh, man, did I want those. Couldn't get them for a long, long, long time. And then I remember going out and buying them and they were great shoes. I still think those. That's the best shoe looking shoe. The shell toe. I think the best shoe ever made. You can wear them with jeans. You could wear them to a wedding if you wanted to. I think they're that gorgeous and they are great looking shoes. But I remember when they came out and Pete Maravich was wearing them and UCLA basketball had them and then Jerry west was, you know, had gold stripes with his Adidas. I'm thinking, God, I'd go to NBA games, I'd stare at the shoes. I was Fascinated with. They had those Converse low cut that had suede that would bleed through and your socks would be red. And I remember being on the floor in Cincinnati and Mike Reardon was a basketball player for the Bullets, the then Baltimore Bullets, and he had low cut. Kevin Lockery had low cut shoes. Remember? You know, just certain players where I watched this, I just love those shoes. And Jerry west had the gold stripes on his low cut Adidas. Yes, Todd. The ones I loved were the Puma Clyde. Same problem of you stepped into a puddle or something, especially if it. Like the blue ones, your sock is just totally covered, like in a blue ink or something. But Puma Clyde and that material, that velour or whatever you want to call it, was awesome. Yeah, yeah. That was a big deal. Those were not good shoes to play basketball in. They were heavy. They were not good. Yes. I feel like the first real pair of sneakers I ever got that I was like, whoa, this is sick. I think in like sixth grade, maybe I got Jordan grapes. Those like, they're like white and like, I don't know, like teal and purple maybe something like that. But they're called grapes. And those. That was like the first time that I ever got sneakers that when they got dirty, I was like, no, don't mess up my sneakers. Yeah, Paulie. Just before Michael Jordan's shoes came out, Converse came out with Converse weapons with Bird and Magic. And Birds were a little work shoe looking. They were very dark. But the Lakers colors on those Magic shoes and he and Bird were back to back on the Sports Illustrated. That was a great shoe at the time, just before Michael took over. Yeah. But it was heavy, heavy, heavy. Hated that shoe. I like the Lakers colors. Birds look like they were. They were work boots. They were like Doc Martens, except for they were an NBA version of Doc Martens, except they weren't that cool looking. But yeah, when you get to a certain point, a lot of times what you buy is what you couldn't buy when you were of a certain age. Guys will buy cars because they can't. Couldn't buy that car when they were growing up. Now you have some money, a lot of guys go back and get a 65 Corvette. Yes, Marvin. Yeah. Nostalgia is undefeated and especially in the sneaker game for somebody like me. I'm 41. Everyone in my age range, when the new Jordans come out or the retro Jordans, man, I couldn't buy those in 1996 because there's no way my mom or somebody else's mom was going to buy $130 pair of shoes. But now everyone's got a job. Everyone's got a little bit disposable income. I'm buying three pairs of those if I could. You go into some of these stores and they, they wrap the shoe in cellophane or, you know, protection. And you're a collector and you're going in there and you'll. We've had guests on here where their backdrop is all their shoes. It's like a piece of art that you're showcasing this. But I wore mine. I'm wearing my shoes. I never went, oh, I'm gonna put these away. Should have. But I never did that. I'm like, now I'm out there playing and then you look at them, you're like, they got roughed up. But so what? That's why you. I didn't, I didn't, you know, buy them so I could keep them as a collector's item. Now I should have. But I'm just saying at the time, I'm like, no, I'm wearing these suckers, man. Gonna elevate my game. Yeah. Paul, I was just reading about when Nike signed Bo Jackson. They want to do a shoe, but football shoes don't sell and baseball shoes don't sell. But Bo is playing all these different sports. And they said, how about a cross trainer? Which hadn't been invented as a term really yet for shoes. And they had these tan, white and blue, and I had three different pair of these. Cross trainers is one of the best selling shoes in Nike history. But they had to come up with something around Bo Jackson. Yeah, that was one of those that you had to have cross trainers. And I don't know what they were even for because it wasn't like I wanted to go mountain climbing or, you know, go jogging. But you had to. Don't you have cross trainers? I'm like, no, I don't. Yes. Todd, would you be interested this for all you guys, that a fancy car, you always wanted to bet you could or would never drive just to show it off or just have it locked away somewhere just to have the feeling of, look what I got. And you're never going to ever drive it because you don't want the mileage to even change one tenth of a mile. Well, I have cars that I, that I love looking at. It's a piece of art. It's rolling art and. But I don't have any problem driving them. I don't worry about putting miles on them. But there, there are people I met A guy who had a 1968 Corvette and he never drove it. He. He wrapped it in cellophane or some kind of protection and he. He wanted it to be brand new. And so I don't know if he kept it, but I didn't really know him. I just met him. And I go, why do you have. Why. Why'd you wrap up your Corvette? He goes, oh, I'm never going to drive it. And I go, okay. And maybe somebody paid a lot of money for a 68 Corvette that certainly had low miles on it. Yes, Todd, but isn't that a little bizarre? I'm not judging anybody, but like a painting, you don't do anything with it. You're not gonna paint over it or trace it or anything you put on the wall to look at. To also do that with a car and never ever take it out once just for a couple of minutes or one special night out just seems weird. Okay. Remember we were talking yesterday about me texting people who have passed away that I keep them in my phone, My mom, a couple of my good friends. I just got this text and it's from the phone of my friend who just passed away a couple of months ago. Hi, Dan. It's perfectly, perfectly okay to text dead people's phones. This is from his family member. The survivors enjoy looking back at all the text and reading them. Maybe the real question is, should I be texting you from Tom's phone? Hope you're doing well. I miss him. How about that, Todd? Okay, take. Put that in my pipe and smoke it. Yes. Okay. New poll question hour 3. Weirder person texting the dead person. Person texting has the dead person. Okay, fair, fair. You not. You don't shut off the phone after a few months. You got the friends and family. Are you still paying that bill? I got it. Five lines. That's expensive. Yeah, Yeah, I. I last text him February 17th. I said, you made me cry. Bastard. Rest in peace. Oh, finally heard back from him. Took a while. I don't know what he's doing. Let it. Breather. Brandon in New Mexico. Hi, Brandon. What's on your mind today? Good morning, sir. How are you doing? Well, I was. I was kicking back, thinking about shoes. Do you remember Walter Payton with the bruise, bro? Yeah, that never came back. Tell you that Arch Manning is never going to see the Heisman. It's never going to happen. That was my point. Wasn't the shoes. But you started talking about shoes and it got me. All right, well, thank you, Brandon. Arch isn't winning the Heisman. Marvin agrees. Mike in la. Hi, Mike. What's on your mind today? Hey, Dan. Yeah, I used to go down the Gardens myself, Cincinnati Gardens and watch the Celtics. It was just a shame we could never get by the Celtics. That's why I hated their shoes. I hated their uniforms. I hated everything about a Celtic. Anyway, the probably the coolest thing I wanted to get to the Browns real quick. But the coolest thing in footwear obviously was in baseball in the early 70s when the A's dawn. They're all white shoes. It was probably the coolest thing I've ever seen in the game of baseball with their wonderful uniforms. Remember that? No, I love big Reggie Jackson fan. I love those uniforms, the white shoes. It was great when, when you saw that, it was like, whoa, wait a minute here. What are the Oakland A's doing? Yes, Marvin underrated, great uniform for me. Late 80s, early 90s. Oakland Athletics all white. Jose, Mark McGuire, Ricky Henderson, Dave Stewart. Okay. Clean like Dodger White. All right, all right. There's no wrong answers here. It's just your personal preference. Yes, Mark, except for you and Teal. Oh yeah. Teal's terrible. Terrible. Stephen in Virginia. Hi, Steve. What's on your mind? Hey, good morning, gentlemen. Morning. Just listening to your conversation about Aaron Donald. How do you feel? It was tragic when he passed, but Jerome Brown, in comparison to Aaron Donald, how much of an impact or how much more of an impact do you think he would have made had he survived? Well, he was a great player. And that's another one of those interior disruptors. But you had Reggie White there yet other, you know, they had really good defenses there. But Jerome Brown, he was a beast. He was a beast. But then you had Reggie White as well. Reggie might be the most dominant defender that I ever saw him or Mean Joe Green. Now I'll throw Lawrence Taylor in there, but Lawrence could run himself out of a play as well. It felt like Mean Joe Green and Reggie Aaron Donald, they were always involved in a play. Lt, you know, he created havoc. But you know they're, they've been great defenders. But as far as guys who physically were disrupting, you know you have, you know, defensive backs but it just different. I mean Reggie White, you watch him sometimes and he just pushing 300 pound men around. Yeah, Paulie, Reggie White was first team all pro at age 24 and age 38. Yeah, let that soak in. Yeah. And a bunch of times in between Y and njo, Green was truly mean. Like he would, you know, he spit on I think Conrad, dobler And but that, that Steeler defense is as that might be the best defense I ever saw. Steel Curtain, because you had guys who couldn't even get on the field who turned out to be great defenders eventually. I mean, they were stacked. That was great. Well, it wasn't great because I was a Bengal fan back then and we had to play the Steelers and be like, oh, my God, poor Ken Anderson's gonna get crushed. Let me take a break. When we come back, new poll question and more of your phone calls as well. We're just getting started. Maybe I'll hear from other dead people, Todd. Maybe my mom will reach out to me. We can only hope. Yeah. I wonder what she would say to you since you made fun of me reaching out just talking to my mom. She wouldn't be happy with me. She probably wouldn't be. We'll take a break. We're back after this. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox SP radio and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, it's Steve Covino and I'm Rich Davis. And together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? 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If I put Aaron Donald And I said T.J. watt, like, how do you equate the value of Aaron Donald to TJ Watt or another edge rusher, Miles Garrett. Yeah, so we have a model over@pff.com and it's. It's called Wins above average, Wins above replacement, whatever you want to call it. And actually it's available for our team clients to be able to use. It's Not a PFF plus product that we have there. And honestly, it's because a lot of stuff goes into it. And the question that you asked is it's a tough one, right? I mean, I think in baseball a lot of people will reference wins above average, wins above replacement, that kind of stuff. And it's a little bit easier because a lot of the stats are a little bit more common. We're viewing things on a little bit more of a. Of an equal playing field, especially when it comes to offense. But in the NFL, it's different and it really is a total team game and it is tough to individualize those certain performances. But with the model that we have, you know, we get to take things into account like PFF grades, which of course grade every single player on every single play, which kind of tell us how well a player is executing their job. And then we're able to give a little bit of value to that with the rise in popularity and perfection of the EPA per play, EPA per rush, those kinds of metrics. So now all of a sudden you have stats that or grades, data points, I should say, that allow you to grade performance. And then we also have a data point that gives you a little bit of an idea for value. And so going back to your question of like, hey, Aaron Donald vs. T.J. watt vs. Miles Garrett, it all kind of comes down to how a individual player is making an individual play and necessarily not only how much are they leaned upon just themselves on an island, if you will, but also does doing their job either at a net zero level or a positive or a negative level, how much that actually impacts the football game. And so we have our own wins above average metric, which a lot of those things sort of get into it. We can get into that a little bit deeper for as much as I can. I didn't invent the metric myself. I just kind kind of know it pretty well from everything that we do. But it is that way where we take a total team game and try to give these guys individual value. And just to what you were talking about, about, you know, Aaron Donald before, it felt like he was breaking our wins above average model sometimes with how much he was able to impact the game at his high of a level. But we have to take that into account when we do stuff like that. Least valuable defensive position is what? Oh, I would say, I would say the least valuable is often linebacker, because the word replacement or average does a lot of the heavy lifting for this formula. When you get linebackers, of course, like Fred Warner is At the very top of the list. And it's because of what he can do in coverage as a run defender, as a pass rusher, he does all of those things. But there are so many linebackers that don't have that capability to give you those plus grades and maybe more important, just those even grades of not screwing up his job the way that Fred Warner does that, with a high floor and a high ceiling. So a guy like that will have a wins above average that is a little bit closer to, you know, normal interior defenders, some edge rushers, guys like that. But there's a lot of linebackers that it gets a lot lower to that 0.0 wins above average number the further you go down from Fred Warner. And it doesn't take you long to, to get to that point. So I think that the most valuable linebackers in the league still hold that word a ton of value themselves. But there's just a lot of guys that much like the running back position, the more replaceable you are, the more close to average you are, the less value you're going to hold like that. If the Bengals ask you and Pro Football Focus if they should give Trey Hendrickson a three year deal or just give him a one year deal and let him walk, what would Pro Football Focus tell the Bengals? Yeah, I think that it comes down to sort of exactly what the conversation ended up being between these two parties. And that is he's, I believe, 30 right now or about to turn 31. What does his performance look like in 2026 and 2027? Where is that drop off there? And you know, it's a little bit of a different metric. I don't know, you know, if we have something out there for necessarily like age decline, But I can tell you from a wins above average standpoint, the only edge rusher that we had in our system that was more valuable than Trey Hendrickson, who led the NFL and pressures last year, was Miles Garrett. And the reason why Miles Garrett was a little bit higher is simply because he was better as a run defender. But Trey was doing his job extremely well. And I would, I would stack that up with the rest of the team there. With the Bengals, you're not just looking at what Trey Henderson is versus the rest of the league. Of course that goes into the overall number of what you're discussing with the contract, but it also goes into who else do you have on your team? Because if you look at the Bengals, the three players that are higher and wins above average are the three that you would expect it's T. Higgins, it's Jamar Chase, and of course it's Joe Burrow, but after that it's Trey Hendrickson and then, you know, the next guy on the team is much, much lower. So I would certainly tell the Bengals like, hey, if you want to compete for a Super bowl, if you want to compete in what is maybe the toughest division in the NFL, you probably cannot do it with this guy and you're not going to be able to replace him in the aggregate. Trevor Sikma, the Pro Football Focus lead NFL Draft analyst, co host of NFL Stock Exchange Podcast For a guy who won the Heisman and is coming in and maybe playing both ways, there is little conversation about Travis Hunter, which I find remarkable. Has Pro Football Focus looked at what's more valuable in all pro cornerback or an all pro wide receiver with Travis Hunter? So these guys are, it is pretty close between those because, you know, as we were putting together and again, I, I wasn't in the beginning stages of this. I've just done a lot of reading up on it and had conversations with a lot of people who kind of came up with this metric. For us, what we realized is that wins above average and wins above replacement in the game of football gets a lot higher the further you are away from the ball, actually, because normally you have less help, right? I mean, like when you're closer to the ball, if you're in the box, you know, as an interior defensive lineman or a linebacker and even sometimes edge rushers, you have a lot of help next to you. But when you get all the way out to the sideline and it's a corner and a wide receiver, you're on an island. It's all about your individual skills. How can you get open? How can you not let a receiver get open? And what we have figured out is that some years it can flip, right? Some years the highest wins above average wide receiver, like a Jamar Chase or a Justin Jefferson can be a little bit higher. But last year, for example, it was Patrick Surtan. He was the highest graded defender that we had. From a wins above average standpoint, he ends up winning defensive player of the year and it's just because of exactly what he's able to do. You can stick him on an island against the other team's best playmaker in the passing game and he can totally take him away. That is unbelievably valuable from an individual standpoint in a team game. So it is sort of close. But to answer your question, I think that for the most Part, if you are a true top tier, top five corner, that is going to be more valuable than even the top wide receivers. Because again, we get back to scarcity. There's a lot of wide receivers who can do it at a very high level. There's not a ton of corners that you can go out there and tell them to play cat coverage, say, hey, you go cover that cat. Make sure he doesn't catch the football. The top ones do. And our numbers reflect that type of scarcity and that value. So that's why I was a big proponent of Travis Hunter being a corner in the NFL and understanding that if you wanted to get benefit of the both sides of the ball with him, you'd probably have to, you know, play him a little bit differently. But I always said you can play him full time at corner, get maximum value there, and then moonlight him a little bit as a wide receiver and sort of get that value there. You can't do the opposite. You can't have a guy play full time at wide receiver and then say, hey, go couple, go play a couple of plays at corner. Or at least it's really damn difficult to do that. So that's why I was a big proponent of him playing cornerback, because our wins above average model sort of spoke to that value there. Does Pro Football Focus have Hall of Fame grades? I don't know if we do. Our data goes back to 2006, and I know that, that every year we kind of try to take the data a little bit further. You know, like we'll watch a bunch of the season for 050 for all those kinds of things. But I'm not sure, I'm not sure if we have a specific hall of Fame grades for all those guys that are in the Hall. Yeah, well, even those who could get in the hall of Fame, like pending hall of Famers. Yes, we definitely would. If. Certainly, certainly, certainly if they're recent guys. Yes. Like Russell Wilson. Is Russell Wilson, by your metrics, already a Hall of Famer? Yeah, I mean, that's a, that is a great question. I wouldn't be able to answer off the top of my head, but I do know that Russell has a ton of value. Again, like, I, I, I know that just from off the top of my head. If you were making a case for Russell Wilson to make the hall of Fame, his wins above average numbers, I think would really help him in that case. Like, I, I really do. I think that's a, it's a great case study. It's a great, you might have just given me a future article to write. Over@pff.com they're looking at some of those guys who are active players and might have a Hall of Fame case. But I do know off the top of my head that that that would be a metric that would help him because I've seen him at the very top of that list a handful of times. Great to talk to you. We'll talk to you during the season. Thank you, Trevor. Appreciate it. DP Anytime. Trevor Sikima, Pro Football Focus, the lead NFL draft analyst. They got all of this information, all this data, and there they probably won Patrick Certain, the defensive player of the year. When you think about all the data that they had and you know, the wins above replacement, because if you watch Denver, like sometimes watching a defensive back, there's nothing to watch. If they're that good, you're probably not going in their direction. And edge rusher has a chance to make an impact. You can see him. You may just stay away from the left side of the field with Patrick Certain. But, you know, some of the data that they have fascinates me. All right, Dean in Dallas hi Dean. What's on your mind? Hey, Dan 66270 hey, you're on the Aaron Donald topic again today. Yeah. And my favorite play ever in the NFL was, and it should be a statue outside of Sofi is Aaron Donald taking Ezekiel Elliott with one arm and throwing him into Dak Prescott. It's amazing. Holly. Look it up, Paulie, look it up. You're not doing anything over there. Jim in Portland hi, Jim. What's on your mind today? Hey, Dan, I Today is my 30th wedding anniversary, which makes it the 30th anniversary of when you crashed my rehearsal dinner party in Chapel Hill, North Carolina, at a restaurant where you it's kind of a crazy, crazy story, but one of my guests at the wedding was good friends with Jay Bilis and wanted to see Jay, who was not coming to the wedding, so asked me if Jay could come to the party after the rehearsal dinner. We had rented the restaurant for the night. Everybody's going to be there. So I said, sure, bring Jay. So Jake comes. And then you showed up, apparently with Jay. I still, still don't even know the whole story, and it caused quite a stir. My cousins were very impressed with me that somehow Dan Patrick showed up. My mom commented at the end of the night that she had no idea who you were, but everybody seemed excited you were there and that you were very tall and handsome and you paid for A lot of drinks of other people, which she really appreciated. So it's kind of become a famous story in my family, and I just wanted to thank you and acknowledge that. Well, Jim, congratulations to you and your wife on 30 years. And it's our anniversary today and I will celebrate accordingly. So thank you for the phone call. Okay. See ya. I don't remember that. It was 30 years ago. 1995. Yeah, that was. That was prime sports center days. Like, I was a big deal, but that was the hair. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No wonder his mom thought I was handsome. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hello. Yeah. Mind if we dance? I was slaying back then. Yeah, like. So is this your sister? Your mother? No. Come on. She looks like she could be your sister. Come here. Come here. Oh, how about that song? Do you want to dance? Yeah. How about I sing to you a little? Very white. Oh, that's sad. Very, very sad. All right, let me take a break and happy anniversary today. My anniversary is coming up on the 29th. What day is that? Is that Friday? Friday? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Where are we going? Nowhere. Didn't you celebrate my anniversary, Paulie? Yeah, I think Steve and I attended a dinner with you and your wife and McLovin. And McLovin at a super Bowl. That was New Orleans. No, no, Houston. No, we definitely sat at one end of the table. Oh, I know, I know. That was so weird. I know it was weird. Wait, were we celebrating in my anniversary in Dublin? It was Dublin. Oh, it was Dublin. Oh, yeah, that's right. You guys had planned a nice night out for two at a very, very nice restaurant with oys. Yes. And for some reason you casually threw out. If you guys aren't doing anything tonight, stop by. And it felt like a real invitation. Well, when we go on the road, it's amazing how many friends I have. I'll be going out to dinner. Next thing I know, Paulie, go, hey, what do you think it for dinner? And I go, well, it's my anniversary. I was gonna go out with my wife. Yeah, where are you going? Then all of a sudden, Paulie will go, oh, I just, you know, I Google it. That's a nice place. They got oysters there. Table for six, you guys. You interested in going? Oh, yeah. It's definitely a better meal than what I was probably going to have, like, going to get a bag of Walgreens trail mix that I normally eat for dinner. Yeah, I blame you. You gave us the. You guys are welcome to join us. Which means you don't want us to join us. When you say you're welcome to and we took you up on it, right? That was a good dinner too. Yes, that was a good day. How about we take a break? Break. Let's take a break. Last call for phone calls. What we learn what's in store tomorrow. All of that right after this. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live this Labor Day. Say goodbye to spill stains and overpriced furniture with washablesofas.com featuring Annabe the only machine washable sofa inside and out where designer quality meets budget friendly pricing. Sofas start at just $6.99, making it the perfect time to upgrade your space. Anibe's Pet Friendly stain resistant and interchangeable slipcovers are made with high performance fabric built for real life. You'll love the cloud like comfort of hypoallergenic high resilience foam that never needs fluffing and a durable steel frame that stands the test of time with modular pieces you can rearrange anytime. 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And in fact it may get even worse. For more judgment free money advice, listen to Brown ambition on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I was out in the mail room and I saw we got a package full of potato chips. Seaton, did you mention Grippers? I did, yeah. We just got a whole box of potato chips out there, but greatest potato chips in the world. Yeah. No, we didn't. Yes, yes. Somebody from the home office there. They were like, thank you. We about fell out of our chair when Seaton brought up the potato chip. Best potato chips in the whole world. I had them driving once, driving through Ohio, and we just stopped at a random gas station or whatever to fill up, and I grabbed a bag of potato chips. Holy smokes. A couple of phone calls here. This day in sports history, this day in movie history, all of that. Sneak a few phone calls in here. Nick in the Ozarks. Hey, Nick. What's on your mind today? Hey, Dan, long time. I wanted to talk to you about the tennis shoes. We wore those Adidas superstars that you talked about for three years. And then my senior year, they decided to switch to the wonderful shoe called the Pro Ked suede. Oh, yeah, yeah. We went through three pairs in a single season, every one of us, because they. They did the old Zion lamps and foot through the sidewall. I know those. Those looked good. They weren't good shoes, but Pete Maravich wore the pro Keds as well. But they were heavy shoes as Adidas superstars. Best, best tennis shoe ever made. Sean in Daytona Beach. Hey, Sean. Dan, thanks for calling me back. Yep, 6 foot, 185.2 this morning. We are talking about shoes. Back to school now. I just turned 50 a few weeks ago. We didn't have a whole lot of money growing up, so I was never allowed to get the Jordans or the quote, unquote, expensive shoes. But When I was 12 years old, starting seventh grade, I picked out a pair of Chuck Taylor's and wore them in the gym class, and they were glaze orange. Coach never let me live it down how much he hated those shoes for five years in that school. Awful. All right, thank you, Sean. Yeah, I wore a high top. We had white Chuck Taylors. And then we went crazy. My senior year, we had black high top Chuck Taylors. It was a big deal. It was a big deal for the Mason Comets, I'll tell you that. C.J. in New Hampshire. Hi, C.J. hey, Dan. Long time listener, first time caller. 5, 7 and athletic 210 calling in. I've had this long debate going. I'm an Eagles fan. I got A lot of Patriots fans around me up here in New Hampshire. I have been arguing whether or not Drew Bledsoe is worse than Nick Foles. I think Nick Foles is better than Drew Bledsoe. I understand Bledsoe had a longer career, but I think if you tripled Nick Foles career, it would be just as good as Bledsoe's. I wanted your opinion. Thank you, Dan. When you can't triple his career, his career is his career. Cj. Like, if with the accolades that Nick Foles has with, like, setting the most touchdown passes in a single game, most touchdowns thrown without an interception, you know, Bledsoe had a long career, but did he really achieve anything other than just throwing? He threw a lot of yards. I understand He's, I think, in the top 10 for passing yards all time or somewhere in the top 20. Well, Drew. Drew Bledsoe is a better quarterback, but Nick Foles had better highlights. But thank you. Cj. Don't know if I answered your debate, because I think you wanted me to lean towards Nick Foles. Nick Foles is one of those great curiosities in NFL history. It's like. Like, he is so good to. He's a backup. He's so good. He's winning a Super Bowl. To being a backup. Yes. Marvin. The word is choppy. Oh, choppy is the new word. The new word. Choppy. How about this day in movie history? Paul. Of course, this day in movie history. Released on this date in 1987, the movie Dirty Dancing. Dan. $213 million at the box office, number one hit song and songs, plural. The soundtrack went to number one. Who likes the movie? Loves the movie. Does not like the movie Dirty Dancing. Todd. I like it a lot. And I like the song a lot. Seaton. I remember liking it. Marvin. I like it. Yeah, I do. I mean, Patrick Swayze does great. Good hair. Yeah. Is it Jennifer Gray? Yes. Yeah, I just. I'm not a. I'm not a dancing movie guy. I'm not really somebody who's like, oh, cool, another movie about people dancing. Sign me up. It's not usually my thing. I like it when they're in the. The lake, when they're. Then you hold her up, they're dancing. Me. Yeah. Don't try that at home. They give the little. At the end, they give each other the little nod, like, let's go for it. Let's do it. Yes. Marvin. That whole era, that mid-80s, man, they really love dancing movies. Yeah. Like, you know what? Don't let us. We're gonna dance anyway. Well, you had Footloose. I'm ready. Loose. Yeah. Dirty Dancing Fame. The TV show. Jennifer Beals. Oh, Jennifer Beals had kind of a Phoebe Cates, like there was a vibe. To be fair though, they've done that storyline a million times. Welding by day, dancing by night. I think JLO did that. She was welder and then she became a dancer. Yes. Todd, they should bring back the leg warmers. I thought that was a good look. Tease the hair up with the leg warmers. That was fun. Jane Fonda. Good times. Olivia Newton John. They gave us the leg warmers. Yeah. There's two more dancing movies for you. Yeah. Greece. Oh, Greece too. And what was the Saturday Night Fever? Saturday Night Fever. And then the follow up was they all moved to LA and become fitness instructors. And then we just love to dance. That's all. Home videos, the next big thing. Let's go around the room, see if we learned anything. Todd, you learned anything today. I did. Bill in Washington believes Andrew Luck would have won Super Bowls and been among the all time greats if he hadn't retired early. Seaton, what did you learn today? You crashed a party 30 years ago today. I know. With Jay Billis, Marvin Darrell Rivas, first team all pro with no interceptions and no highlights. Paul. Ben Denucci had to pay 450 for his Cowboys jersey. Todd from Paulie. Reggie White was able to make first team all pro as young as 24 and as old as 38. How about that? What we learned. Brought to you by Rapid Radio's official walkie talkie of the Dan Patrick Show. Push to talk service. National LTE network. No subscriptions ever. Get them before bad weather occurs. Visit rapidradios.com save up to 60% off and free shipping. Among the luminaries. Joining us tomorrow, the Dolphins head coach, Mike McDaniel. Thanks for joining us. What, Todd? We're all one day closer to death, I believe he said earlier this month. For Fritzi Seton, Marv, Paulie, yours truly, we'll talk to you tomorrow. I'm Dan, he's Ty. Hello. And we're the Solid Verbal College football podcast. Tune in for previews, recaps, bits you won't hear anywhere else, and all the emotional support you need as a college football fan. Join us all season long as we ride the roller coaster of of this ridiculous sport. Listen to the Solid verbal college football podcasts on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We don't just love college football, Ty. We live it. I'm Jake Hofer. And this is back 40, a limited series show on Wire to Hunt, part of Meat Eaters Podcast Network. Each episode I'll be asking eight whitetail hunting pros a focused, thought provoking question about hunting in land management. How do I hunt the best part of the farm with less than ideal access? Should you? That's what the real question is. Stand without good access is not a good stand. 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