Hour 3 – Charles Barkley

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show

Hour 3 – Charles Barkley
Date: January 29, 2026
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts and Dan Patrick Podcast Network

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Dan Patrick Show is highlighted by an engaging and candid conversation with Hall of Famer Charles Barkley. The discussion touches on several major topics in sports: the controversy surrounding Bill Belichick’s Hall of Fame snub, the delineation between first-ballot Hall of Famers and all-time greats, recent NBA intrigues (including the futures of LeBron James and Giannis Antetokounmpo), Barkley’s legendary gambling tales, and some reflections on his own career and trade history. Throughout, Dan and Charles weave in humor and personal anecdotes, offering listeners an insider’s look at both the sports world and Barkley’s unfiltered opinions.

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Key Discussion Points & Timestamps

1. Belichick’s Hall of Fame Snub

[05:13 - 07:10]

• Charles Barkley reacts strongly to Bill Belichick not being a first-ballot Hall of Famer.
  • Barkley: “That was a disgrace what happened to Bill Belichick, first and foremost.” (05:21)
  • He criticizes voters for overthinking and prioritizing older candidates over transcendent figures.
  • “If you haven't made the Hall of Fame in X amount of time, you just in the hall of pretty good.” (06:03)
• Dan and Charles discuss the trickiness and subjectivity in Hall of Fame voting.
  • Dan: “I'm fine with your vote. Tell me how you came to this conclusion. I don't think that's asking too much.” (04:48)

2. First-Ballot Hall of Famers and Their ‘Table’

[07:10 - 09:38]

• Dan asks Charles about Deion Sanders’ idea of differentiating all-time legends within the Hall.
  • Barkley is open to a separate “table,” acknowledging the difference between historic greats and merely great players:
    “I'm a Hall of Famer, Dan. I'm not at the table with Michael, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, La LeBron, Kobe, those guys at a different table than me.” (07:41)
• Dan teases Barkley about underrating himself and debates which NBA players would truly be “at the big table.”
  • Barkley: “You have to be the alpha dog. You have to be the number one guy. 100%.” (09:11)

3. NBC’s Michael Jordan Interview Approach

[09:38 - 11:33]

• Barkley criticizes NBC for repeatedly recycling an old Michael Jordan interview throughout the season.
  • “It's a bad look to do one interview, then splice it up throughout the season.” (09:58)
  • Suggests NBA fans deserve fresh insight from Jordan monthly: “Once a month, fly down to Florida, give him...45 minutes to an hour. Ask him something relevant.” (11:12)

4. Barkley’s Super Bowl Betting & Seattle Prediction

[11:33 - 13:46]

• Dan playfully references Barkley's poor Super Bowl betting record.
  • Barkley protests, “As a matter of fact, I think I'm on a five year winning...I'm riding Seattle like we ride Secretariat.” (11:45)
  • Charles reveals he’s betting $250,000 on Seattle and recalls betting $500,000 on a previous Super Bowl.
    • “What's the most you've bet?” (13:30)
    • Barkley: “Half a million.” (13:33)

5. LeBron James’ Future—Possibility of Cleveland Return

[14:34 - 16:55]

• Barkley speculates that the Lakers are done with LeBron after this season; sees Cleveland as the logical next step, possibly even this trade deadline.
  • “You can't tell me if LeBron went back to Cleveland right now, they wouldn't be the favorite in the East.” (14:49)
  • Discusses potential trade scenarios: “Could you give up one of those guys [Jared Allen or Mobley]? I think your team would still be just as good.” (15:37)

6. Giannis’ Trade Rumors & The State of the NBA

[16:55 - 19:01]

• Dan asks Charles where Giannis might end up if he asks out.
  • “I take a big swing at Giannis, he's a terrific player, he's a terrific person. I take a swing at him. I really do.” (17:24)
  • Barkley emphasizes teams have to make moves in their own best interest, regardless of conference, and floats possible player swaps (like Jaylen Brown for Giannis).

7. Barkley’s 76ers Trade Story & Front Office Critique

[19:01 - 21:58]

• Charles recounts the unusual way he was traded from the Sixers to Phoenix, including preparing a heartfelt letter to avoid alienating Philly fans—only to be traded before mailing it.
  • “I had made up my mind we were going to send a letter Monday morning...and then Sunday morning, I get a call from the Sixers that I got traded to Phoenix.” (19:57)
• He then slams Sixers management for the series of poor decisions surrounding the 1986 draft and trades.

8. Gambling Drama & The Agony of Watching the Spread

[22:02 - 22:47]

• Barkley humorously relives nerve-wracking moments gambling on NFL games, particularly being glad about coaching decisions that affected point spreads.
  • “Sean McVeigh had me nervous because he had two chances to kick a field goal…I'm screaming at the tv, go for it!” (22:22)

9. Brooks Koepka, LIV Golf, and Player Comebacks

[29:40 - 34:00]

• Callers and Dan discuss the controversy of LIV players like Koepka returning to the PGA Tour after big paydays.
  • Strong opinions about whether such players should be welcomed back and the changing landscape of golf loyalty and money.

10. Debating Belichick’s Greatness and the QB-Coach Dynamic

[36:55 - 37:32; 44:47 - 48:00]

• Callers and Dan analyze the Brady-Belichick partnership.
  • Dan points out that Belichick consistently delivered great defenses:
    “Brady had a top 10 defense 17 times [in New England].” (44:49)
  • The show questions the logic of holding coaching greatness against having a superstar QB.

11. Final Thoughts & Legacy Debates

[47:47 - 49:25]

• On Hall of Fame first-ballot culture (with reference to Babe Ruth’s own non-unanimous induction).
• Callers weigh in on Belichick’s situational brilliance and legacy.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Hall of Fame gatekeeping:

  "If you haven't made the Hall of Fame in X amount of time, you just in the hall of pretty good."
  — Charles Barkley (06:03)

• On the “tables” within the Hall of Fame:

  “I'm a Hall of Famer, Dan. I'm not at the table with Michael, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, La LeBron, Kobe, those guys at a different table than me.”
  — Charles Barkley (07:41)

• NBC & Jordan Interview Criticism:

  “It's a bad look to do one interview, then splice it up throughout the season...they could fly down there once a month to sit down with Michael for an hour.”
  — Charles Barkley (09:58, 10:12)

• On betting Super Bowls:

  “I'm riding Seattle like we ride Secretariat...I'm riding that damn horse. I'm riding Secretariat all the way.”
  — Charles Barkley (11:51)

• Self-Reflection:

  "Dude, we had the number one pick in a draft. I think my career would be totally different if the Sixers...had taken Brad Daugherty...instead, I wake up with Roy Hinson."
  — Charles Barkley (20:40)

• On Belichick haters:

  “I just, man, it's kind of amazing that we're at this point where we're still debating the greatness of Bill Belichick.”
  — Dan Patrick (37:32)

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Important Timestamps & Segments Overview

| Timestamp | Segment/Topic | |-----------|---------------------------------------------------------| | 05:13 | Barkley on Belichick HOF snub, “a disgrace” | | 07:41 | Different “tables” for Hall of Famers | | 09:58 | NBC’s chopped-up MJ interview: “bad look” | | 11:45 | Barkley on his betting streak and Super Bowl picks | | 13:33 | Betting half a million dollars: “I didn’t win” | | 14:34 | LeBron’s future and possible Cleveland return | | 17:24 | Where Giannis could go if traded | | 19:57 | Barkley’s trade from Philly to Phoenix | | 22:22 | Gambling agony: “sweating bullets...go for it!” | | 29:40 | LIV Golf, Brooks Koepka, and PGA Tour politics | | 44:49 | Brady-Belichick legacy; team defenses | | 47:47 | First-ballot HOFers in baseball (Babe Ruth anecdote) |

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Tone & Personality

Charles Barkley is as unvarnished and humorous as ever, mixing biting criticism (“hall of pretty good”) with heartfelt acknowledgment of personal legacies. Dan keeps the tone probing but playful, especially when needling Barkley about his betting prowess or legacy. Their banter is insightful for sports aficionados yet approachable for casual listeners, balancing sports analysis with personal storytelling.

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Summary Takeaways

• Belichick’s Hall snub is almost universally panned by Dan, Barkley, and listeners—a “travesty” that sets a bad precedent.
• Hall of Fame prestige is a spectrum: “not all Hall of Famers are equal,” and truly great players/coaches occupy a rare “big table.”
• NBA speculation: Barkley sees LeBron’s tenure in LA ending soon, Cleveland as a likely landing spot, and expects fierce bidding for Giannis.
• Charles Barkley’s candidness extends from Hall voting to his gambling stories—and even old frustrations with Sixers management.
• The show closes with debates about coaching greatness vs. player influence, and ongoing caller engagement over legacy, coaching, and the changing sports landscape.

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For anyone who missed the episode, this summary captures both the topics and the spirit of the conversation—an engaging mix of analysis, opinion, and humor from two sports icons and their community of listeners.

Transcript

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[Charles Barkley]

You down, but maybe it's both.

[Dan Patrick]

There's 50 individual voters in the hall.

[Charles Barkley]

Of Fame, and maybe some of them.

[Dan Patrick]

Thought Eli brought Bill down and maybe.

[Charles Barkley]

Some of them thought, you know, it.

[Dan Patrick]

Was the other way around and it elevated Eli and that's why they voted the way they did. Well, you know who loses the credit there that they richly deserve is the the defensive front for the Giants won that Super Bowl. They were incredible. They beat the hell out of Brady. Eli came up with a couple of great throws. Cannot deny that, but Eli will go into the hall of Fame. But we're using the he beat Brady and Belichick to go into the hall of Fame. So, yeah, I mean, it's tricky when it comes to the hall of Fame. It is. Everybody has a vote. I'm fine with your vote. Tell me how you came to this conclusion. I don't think that's asking too much. This is a guy who's in the hall of Fame. Charles Barkley joining us on the program. How were you told you were going into the hall of Fame I got a call.

[Charles Barkley]

They told me they had they were going to vote and I got a call. It's a very important call. It's emotional. You call the people close to you and give them a heads up. And it's obviously special when you like a first ballot hall of Famer. That was a disgrace. What happened to Bill Belichick, first and foremost. And let me tell you something else, Dan. You know the writer who wrote why he didn't vote for Belichick, that made it even worse, in my opinion, because he said, well, I'm gonna vote for these older guys to get them in. This might be their last chance. Well, I believe this. If you haven't made the hall of Fame in X amount of time, you just in the hall of pretty good. If you don't, like I say, it's either yes or no. I think Dion said it a few years ago and I agree with, like, if you have to really think about guys and guys who've been on these committees for double digit years and they finally get in, I'm like, I don't mean no disrespect to you guys. You were really, really good. You just wasn't a Hall of Famer. I mean, it's a very simple process in my opinion. But Bill should be automatically, because now do you put Tom Coughlin in? You put Mike Tomlin in, you put Harbaugh in. They only won one Super Bowl. A guy who won six and been to nine, if he's not a first ballot hall of Famer, that's what a problem arises. Now, you can't let any of those guys in. Like, Mike Tomlin is a Hall of Famer, but you can't put him on the first ballot. Now, same thing with my good friend Sean Payton, who I love and respect. Like, wait, you didn't put a guy who won six who'd been denied? That's crazy.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, it's tricky. I don't know. You mentioned Deion Sanders. Would you be in favor of some designation or place in the hall of Fame for first ballot hall of Famers? Dion talked about maybe do you give a different jacket, maybe a different shade of gold with first ballot hall of Famers, or do you give a designation of maybe first, you know, second floor, penthouse, whatever it might be?

[Charles Barkley]

I have no problem with that. Listen, I'm a Hall of Famer, Dan. I'm not at the table with Michael, Larry bird, Magic Johnson, La LeBron, Kobe, those guys at a different table than me. That's just the way it is. I Don't take it personally. I know that I have a hell of a career, but I just don't.

[Dan Patrick]

But you're a first ballot hall of Famer, weren't you?

[Charles Barkley]

I am, but I'm not at the same table as those guys. Those guys won multiple championships. That's what separates.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, how many tables are you away from them?

[Charles Barkley]

Well, I don't, I don't look at it like that. We're just not at the same table.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I think you underrate yourself.

[Charles Barkley]

No, I'm. No, dude. I'm very good where I was. But I'm saying guys who win multiple. Multiple. Like guys who win one championship, they're. They're at a different table than guys who won multiple. That's no slight. Like, there's a bunch of coaches who won a championship. They're not at the. Taylor, at the, at the club. They're not the same table with Belichick, Chuck, Noel Lombardi, guys like that. And that's not a slight. Their first ballot hall of Famous. But we're not all created equal.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, but it's Scottie Pippen at the big table that you're not at. No, but he won multiple championships.

[Charles Barkley]

Yeah, but he wasn't. He wasn't driving the bus like Michael and Bird and Magic and those guys were.

[Dan Patrick]

So James Worthy is not at the big table.

[Charles Barkley]

He's not.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. Okay. So you have to be the alpha dog. You have to be the number one guy, 100%.

[Charles Barkley]

Okay, but it's just my opinion. Yeah, it's just my opinion. Like, guys who are on multiple championship team, who were role players, I don't hold that against them. But they're not hall of Famous number one to start with, but guys who were the man year in, year out, who carried the heavy, carried the water. Those guys at a different table.

[Dan Patrick]

I saw or read where you called out NBC with this Michael Jordan, the interview that they did.

[Charles Barkley]

I didn't call them out.

[Dan Patrick]

You know, it reads that way. It reads that way that you.

[Charles Barkley]

Every time I. It's like people were calling me about.

[Dan Patrick]

Wait, it says it's a bad look for NBC. It's just a bad look.

[Charles Barkley]

It's a bad look to do one interview, then splice it up throughout the season.

[Dan Patrick]

I agree. I agree.

[Charles Barkley]

You know, it's a bad look. Like they couldn't fly down there once a month to sit down with Michael for an hour.

[Dan Patrick]

I suggested Reggie Miller sit down with Michael Jordan and do a couple of interviews with Michael along the season.

[Charles Barkley]

Once a month. Dan.

[Dan Patrick]

I know I would have done it. I would have gone down there once a month.

[Charles Barkley]

I mean, to do an interview in August and splice it up and still the same interview in January or February. That's a bad look. Because I thought it was great that we had Michael Jordan back in the NBA, but now you look and I'm like, oh, he's wearing the same outfit from August. But. But they could. Listen, it's great to have Michael back in the NBA, but fly somebody down there once a month. Because you know, the thing is there's so much has happened in the NBA like, yeah, what he, what he talked about in August has nothing to do with January. Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Because he could be talking about Giannis right now. He could be talking about does LeBron go back to Cleveland and his career there. Right.

[Charles Barkley]

100%. Like once a month, fly down to Florida, give him. Hey, you guys got 45 minutes to an hour. Ask him something relevant. Also ask him stuff that's relevant in sports. You know, there's a lot of stuff going on in sport. Wouldn't you love to hear about Michael's opinion on Bill Belichick?

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Charles Barkley]

Come on.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes.

[Charles Barkley]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

I ask you this every year. Do you want to just give me your money that you would be betting on the super bowl? Since you always lose your super bowl bet, then I'll hold it for you and then give it back to you at the end of the game.

[Charles Barkley]

Dan, As a matter of fact, I think I'm on a five year winning.

[Dan Patrick]

Are you?

[Charles Barkley]

I am. I've been. And I'm riding Seattle like. Like we ride Secretariat. I've had Seattle the last two weeks. I'm riding them until the damn wheels come off.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Charles Barkley]

I think, I think going back to that last game when they won. I think when they won the last regular season game. I'm all in on San Francisco. And I think there's something happened to Sam Donald going back. Remember when they had the Rams and that crazy game like a couple months ago? I think something clicked in him. He's not the same quarterback that gave him a jolt of energy, but I'm riding that damn horse. I'm riding Secretariat all the way. And listen, you know how I feel about Seattle, the most underrated sports city in the universe, but I'm all in on the Hawks.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. Why don't you lead the charge to get an NBA team back in Seattle?

[Charles Barkley]

Well, I know they want that drastically, but I think the problem they got. Man who called me now let them up. My house, the maze are here. Sorry.

[Dan Patrick]

Your. Your maids Plural.

[Charles Barkley]

Are there a couple creek of my boy Steve and his wife. They're amazing couple.

[Dan Patrick]

How much money are you going to bet on the super bowl?

[Charles Barkley]

Probably about 250. Okay, about 250.

[Dan Patrick]

What's the most you've bet?

[Charles Barkley]

Half a million.

[Dan Patrick]

You lost that one, didn't you?

[Charles Barkley]

Oh, I didn't win. I didn't win. They my boy Belichick against the Rams. He won me big money.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, okay. All right.

[Charles Barkley]

Yeah, me big money then. I'm all in on Belichick, man. He's my guy. I hate this. I hate this, the way this stuff is turned it out, to be honest with you, because this like, you know, you know, when it's unanimous, everybody's pissed. You know, somebody screwed up. I haven't heard one person with any common sense say anything. This is just a travesty. And it's unfortunate because the bad thing about it is when those other guys, rightfully so, are going to be having who going to go in the hall of Fame? That thing is that that elephant in the back of the room, like Belichick should have been here, and it's going to take away from their shine. And I hate that.

[Dan Patrick]

Charles Barkley, hall of Famer inside the NBA on ESPN. The you guys talked about this last night. With LeBron playing in Cleveland, can you see a scenario where next year he's in Cleveland and his career.

[Charles Barkley]

I think this is only scenario. I think obviously the Lakers are done with him after this year. They're going to move into the Luca Austin Reeves situation, which rightfully so, I think his only logical play is going to be going back to Cleveland. Listen, I'm not opposed to him getting traded to Cleveland the next week during the trade deadline because the east is up for grabs. He's just 100% up for grabs. And you can't tell me if LeBron went back to Cleveland right now, they wouldn't be the favorite in the East.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but what am I giving up to the Lakers? See, I'd rather sign him and not have to compensate the Lakers in the off season.

[Charles Barkley]

That's fair. But could you give up something to help the Lakers? They got an abundance of big men in Cleveland between Jared Allen and Mobley. Could you give up one of those guys? I think your team would still be just as good.

[Dan Patrick]

You think if the Lakers got Evan Mobley For LeBron, they would be fine?

[Charles Barkley]

Well, because this kid's going to be a really good player for the next 10 years. If they just lose LeBron, they don't get anything for him, it could be a win. Win for both teams because, you know, you give me Evan Mobley, Luca and Austin Reese going forward, my team is better.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Charles Barkley]

And. But also, I mean, I got zero idea. I mean, I know the Pistons are the favorite. I know the Pistons are the favorite. But you tell me this, if LeBron went back to Cleveland with Donovan, Mitchell, Garland, Jared Allen, would they be the favorites in the East?

[Dan Patrick]

Be close.

[Charles Barkley]

It'd be close.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, it'd be close.

[Charles Barkley]

Sometimes you got to roll the dice. You got to roll the dice. I. Because the Lakers are not any good. And the Cavs, they probably would have favored going into the season, but right now, you see, they're not. They're struggling.

[Dan Patrick]

Let me get your thoughts on Giannis. And now that he wants out, reportedly wants out. Golden State. Seems like if I'm going to take another swing at trying to do something with Steph Curry in the next two years, why don't you got, I think, four first round draft picks. You could trade Kaminga and you could throw in somebody else maybe. Can you trade Jimmy Butler's contract? Like, can you make this work that Golden State would get Giannis, or do you see him going elsewhere?

[Charles Barkley]

Great question. I'm not sure, to be honest with you. But if I'm. I take a big swing at Giannis, he's a terrific player, he's a terrific person. I take a swing. I take a swing at him. I really do. If I'm. If I'm any. Any team. Because he's going to make you relevant. Because right now, Oklahoma City and Denver, to me, are the two favorite teams. No, I don't think anybody's in their class. Man, the east is so crazy, Dan. The. Jason Tatum, the elephant in the room is he's going to come back. That might make the Celtics their favorite.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but Milwaukee doesn't want to trade him in the East.

[Charles Barkley]

No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying, first of all, they got to make the trade what's best for their team. You can't. You got to do what's best for your team going forward. You can't worry about if he stays in the East. Yeah. Say you got to make the best because you got to, you know, basketball is going to be played this year, next year, in the year after. You got to do. It's like, let's say, hypothetically, the Celtics offered Jaylen Brown for Giannis. Hell, yeah. You do that. Even if Giannis is at the same conference. Jaylen Brown is a hell of a player.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Charles Barkley]

All right, but you can't. You can't worry about. You got to do, like, if we get Jalen Brown for the next 10 years and I'm in Milwaukee, I'm like, okay, like. But you can't worry about where he goes. You got to make the best deal for your franchise.

[Dan Patrick]

How did you tell the Sixers you wanted out?

[Charles Barkley]

I never got a chance. Dan was really funny. I was on trial because I had punched that guy at Milwaukee. So I had spent a week on trial in Milwaukee. I was acquitted. Acquitted. But what was crazy, we spent a week. Because it was a very. It should have never went to trial, to be honest with you. So the guys, me and my attorney had wrote a letter to the Sixers that we worked on all week because I didn't want to alienate the fans in Philly. So I got home. I got home Friday night from Milwaukee. I got acquitted in the afternoon, flew back to Philly, and I had made up my mind we were going to send a letter Monday morning. What's really funny, I forgot that I had ordered a set of Ping golf clubs. They were sitting on my front yard when I got back to Philly that Friday night. And then Sunday morning, I get a call from the Sixers that I got traded to Phoenix and. But we were going to send that letter Monday morning. So I.

[Dan Patrick]

Requesting a trade.

[Charles Barkley]

Yes, because I didn't want to alienate the fans, because the fans of Philly had always treated me great. But I had had enough. I had went through three years, again, traded every week.

[Dan Patrick]

But did the trial have something? Did that expedite them wanting you out of town?

[Charles Barkley]

No. No, because I was acquitted, Dan.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, I know. I know that. But I don't know if you know.

[Charles Barkley]

No, the Sixers were just an idiotic organization back. I mean, dude, we had the number one pick in a draft. I think my career would be totally different if the Sixers, who had the number one pick in the draft, had a. Taken Brad Daugherty, who. Who I loved as a player and had a hell of a career. If I'd have had Brad Daugherty For 10 years, I think my career in Philly would be totally different. But they traded it the number one pick to Cleveland for Roy Hansen, who's a good dude. He's a good dude.

[Dan Patrick]

But he's not. No, he's not.

[Charles Barkley]

And what's really crazy, to be honest with you, they traded Moses in that same trade that nobody ever talked about. They traded Moses to. To the Bullets for Jeff Ruling, who I never got to play with. So after having a number one pick, I lose Moses, who ended up playing like another three or four years. So I lost Moses, which who was like my dad, who's the most important person in my basketball career. So I had to number. I went to bed with the number one pick. I woke up with Roy Hampton. Good dude. And then they traded Moses for Jeff Ruler, guy I never even played with. That's how stupid the Sixers were back then.

[Dan Patrick]

Thanks for joining us. Good luck on Super Bowl Sunday, as always.

[Charles Barkley]

You like Seattle, right?

[Dan Patrick]

I'm gonna like what you like. How's that? Too many people. I don't like to go when everybody said, oh, it's a no brainer, but you're the one putting up $250,000. I'm just putting up something even more priceless. My reputation.

[Charles Barkley]

Well, I tell you what, Sean McVeigh had me nervous because he had two chances to kick a field goal that would have covered the port spread. I'm so glad he went for that touchdown twice. Boy, I ain't gonna lie, Dan. I was sweating bullets, like, go for it. I'm screaming at the tv, go for it. Go for it.

[Dan Patrick]

Go.

[Charles Barkley]

Because if he kicks a field goal, they don't cover. And I'm like, wow. So that's gambling, though, brother.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, I know. That's why they call it gambling. Thank you, Chuck.

[Charles Barkley]

All right, brother. Thanks for having me. You guys be safe.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, bro. Charles Barkley, hall of Famer Inside the NBA. Take a break. Run a little late. Back after this. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, it's Ben, host of the Fifth.

[Charles Barkley]

Hour with Ben Maller.

[Dan Patrick]

Would mean a lot to have you join us on our weekly auditory journey. You're asking, what in God's name is the fifth hour? I'll tell you. It's a spin off of the Ben Ma Show, a cult hit overnights on fsr. Why should you listen? Picture, if you will, a world where we chat with captains of industry in.

[Charles Barkley]

Media, sports and more every week.

[Dan Patrick]

Explore some amazing facts about human nature and more.

[Charles Barkley]

Listen to the fifth hour with Ben.

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[Charles Barkley]

All right, so if LeBron goes to Cleveland, will Jaylen Tyson be on the team next season? The guy that said it's Donovan Mitchell City, not LeBron's.

[Dan Patrick]

No, that's Bronnie's place there. Bonnie will take his place there. All works out. Yeah. The NFL has a new award. It's called the Protector of the Year award. So you have all these offensive linemen who are up for it. Joe Tooney, Penny Sewell, Garrett Bowles, Creed Humphrey. I always thought Creed. I think of the. The Office, the other guy, Cree Creed. Who? Creed was in a band. Oh, yeah. Earlier in his career. The character on the Office. But I don't know the name of the band. Yes, Paulie. He was in a rock band called the Grassroots. Oh, yeah. In the late 70s. Creed Bratton is his name. All right. Yeah, I had. I think I had a Grassroots album. I think so. Yes, Paulie. So I thought this was a joke. This is a new award that was announced last May, the Protector of the Year Award to honor offensive linemen. Okay, that's pretty cool. Yeah. Why didn't they call it offensive lineman of the year award Protector does something snappy. But how do they designate who's protecting? Because wouldn't I have a different grade for a center than I would a left tackle? Right. Yeah. I don't know. Yes, Todd, Is there some deodorant sponsor or something? Like on a car that protects your. You got to have some kind of reason to call it protector. How about simply safe?

[Charles Barkley]

There you go.

[Dan Patrick]

Simply safe Home security. You know what you're doing. Thank you, Todd. Yes, Paul. Yeah, I got the press release here. And before this, offensive lineman weren't really eligible for any on field awards. There you go. Okay. Great. Nick and Irvine. Hi, Nick. Welcome back. Hey, Dan. We're expecting a high of about 76 today. I'm gonna go hit some balls a little bit. But with, with that in mind, I am not happy with the return of Brooks koepka. He took $165 million over three years of Saudi blood money and then hides behind his family as an excuse to crawl back from that dog and pony show. And doesn't give an apology to the fans. Doesn't give an apology to the p. Tour. He tried to ruin the tour and they just let him back in. So bad. Look for the tour. Yeah, but then they shouldn't let him back in, Nick. I mean, I'm going to put the blame on the PGA Tour. Don't let him back in. Yeah, I agree. Don't let him back in. Ban him for life. Or at the very least, make them do what the other guys have to do. Go play on whatever the other tour, the Nike tour, whatever it's called now and earn his way in. But it's just. It's sickening to me the way they just open their arms. And by the way, all the other guys like Pat Perez and. And Phil Mickelson, they're not going to be allowed back in. They're like, making a special exception, and I just don't like it. Well, no, Patrick Reed's coming back to the two guys who are really going to benefit from all of this will be John Rom and Bryson dechambo, because now you have some leverage here on the live tour. I mean, nobody cares about Dustin Johnson but John rom and Bryson DeChambeau. And I saw where DeChambeau might ask for a half a billion dollars. I mean, I. I guess I can say, what do they care? But. And then Brooks Koepka is making his debut at the Farmers Insurance tournament this. This week. I wouldn't have them come back, but they, they're, you know, now they're trying to do what Liv was trying to do to the PGA Tours. We're going to take these players back. Now they have to jump through some hoops. You know what they're eligible for, not eligible for paying money back. But, I mean, you're getting Brooks Koepka, who's kind of limping back to the PGA Tour. I mean, Patrick Reed is coming. I don't know if anybody said, we got to get Patrick Reed back. That might be one of those where the PJ Tour go. You know what? Why don't you reconsider and maybe stay on the Live Tour? Yes, Paulie, but every time one of these guys comes back, it's like another scoreboard that the PGA may have won this and the Live Tour could be the life support tour in a couple years. All I know is the players won. If you go over for $100 million, 150 million, you play for a couple of years, and then you get to come back and you have to pony up what, $5 million, and you know, you're not allowed to play in certain tournaments, whatever it might be, I'd be okay with that. I never would have gone in the first place. And, you know, I brought this up before because people say, oh, if they offered you that money, I, through a third party was asked if I would be interested in helping them in hosting. I said, no, no, I never asked the money. But, you know, I got an idea of a person who did take the job, what they're getting paid. But I, I don't want to do that. I wouldn't want to do that if it was the PGA Tour and I'm going all the way around the world unless I'm retired. But the Live Tour, no, no, not, not interested. But they reached out to a lot of different people. You know, Barkley, they reached out to Chuck, and I talked to him about it publicly, privately. But yeah, they're coming back. And I guess it's the PGA Tour's way of saying we're going to damage Live Tour. Yes, Todd. How. I'm curious. How should or will they be treated by fellow PGA golfers when they come back? Because I'd be pretty bitter if I was someone that was offered that opportunity. If I knew from the get go by the pga. And I know these guys took a risk and didn't know, but if I knew, ultimately I can go get hundreds of millions of dollars and then ultimately I can come back. They didn't know that Brooks Koepka There. There was no language where they go, hey, you can go. And then if you come back, we have kind of a re entry plan for you guys. But there's still got to be some jealousy of bitterness that they made all that money only to be allowed back. I know. I agree. I agree. Although I would take Bryson Dechambeau and John Rom back, you know, and if you're a fan, you get to see them again. It's really about the PGA Tour players. How do they feel about it? And I'm going to guess they probably voted on it and said, okay, this is what you have to do. And then there were steps there, steps Brooks Koepka is going to have to follow. Let's see Mike in Wisconsin. Hi, Mike. What's on your mind today? What up, fellas? Thanks for the call. Hey, so you guys have pointed out most of what I wanted to weigh in on the Belichick situation, but I have to say that, yeah, he's a Hall of Famer for sure with six rings. But I don't get the greatest coach of all time. Take his full body of work without Tom Brady. He's 83 and 104 as an NFL head coach. I think what waters it down even more, the greatness aspect, is Brady leaving him behind and winning a championship in Tampa. And I can't speak for voters, but that would be a factor for me. Well, I think most of your great coaches had great players. Has anybody taken anything away from Jimmie Johnson, Bill Walsh? Right. Don Shula had Marino and Johnny Unitis, I don't know. San Francisco, you got Montana and you had Jerry Rice and then you had Steve Young. I mean, easy transition. Come on. Look, we can pick and choose how we want to go after Belichick and. But, you know, at the end of the day, he's a whole. He's a first ballot hall of Famer, okay? You might not think he's the greatest coach, okay, but still, just say, well, he had Tom Brady, okay? Yes, he did. And you know what he did? He found Tom Brady. He. He made a decision to put Tom Brady in there instead of Drew Bledsoe, who they just given $100 million to. He built a defense. Brady. Check, check the defenses that he played for. He always had a top 15 defense. Who built that? Belichick. Tom took care of the offensive side of the ball and did. Did a whole lot with little. He didn't have great players on offense, but Belichick always gave him a defense. Always. Yes, Todd, do Belichick haters? Honestly, Believe. And maybe it's true. I don't. I'm not one of those people that Brady and the Patriots offense would be every bit as good with some other coach other than Belichick. They would have. Do they think they would have been every bit as good with some other. Anyone could do, like we say, Phil Jackson with those players. I could have won championships too with the Bulls. What do you think? I don't think they'd be quite as good with another coach. Yes. Marv and I feel like there's two.

[Charles Barkley]

Different dynasties with the Patriots. The first three championships, very heavy on the defense.

[Dan Patrick]

Richard she, Richard Seymour, Ty Law, Teddy.

[Charles Barkley]

Bruski, Mike Vrabel, where Tom was just kind of the game manager. But then the second three Super Bowls where Brady became MVP level quarterback. Brady and then the defense was kind of complimentary.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, yeah. I, I just. Man, it's kind of amazing that we're at this point where we're still debating the greatness of Bill Belichick. Yes, Marv.

[Charles Barkley]

Also, we should never call anybody a.

[Dan Patrick]

First Battle hall of Famer ever again.

[Charles Barkley]

Hey, LeBron.

[Dan Patrick]

First Battle hall of Fame. Relax. Yeah, Paulie, I checked a couple of things. In 20 years in New England, Tom Brady had a top 10 defense 17 times. Yeah, it was a very good team. Full team. It wasn't just a Tom's going to outscore everybody. That might have been one year they tried to do that and they didn't win the super bowl. Even though the defense did its part. People think that, you know, that score against the giants was like 42, 41. What was it, 17 to 14 or something? Come on, let's just be fair to the totality of the conversation here. You may not like Belichick. You may think he's a cheater. You may think Brady is the biggest reason why. Or Robert Kraft. I. I understand all of that. At the end of the day, are we nitpicking any other coaches Greatness historical. And it's not like he had two rings. Yeah. See, Joe Montana had a top five defense in all but two of his seasons, and he only got four rings. Yeah. Overrated. But nobody brings it up. The def. The offense really dragged them down. Nobody brings it up. Nobody brings it up. Last call for phone calls. What we learn what's in store tomorrow. And we'll take a break. Back after this. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our [e-mail] and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Hello, Malcolm Glabel here. We're here in New York City with T Mobile for business recording another episode of Revisionist history about how 5G network slicing strengthens trust and connections across worldwide industries. Slicing can be used for so many different things. We're here with our friends from cnn from Siemens Energy. The ways that it can be used, frankly are limitless and are really, really built to think through. How can T Mobile understand the pain points that our customers have? Smash those pain points and how help you deliver very specific outcomes? Running a business is hard enough, so why make it harder? 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The look on their faces when they see you when you show up to let them go out for dinner or it. If you're able to do that, do that as often as you can because. And you don't say the following. We had four kids under 7 and we were able to do it without any nanny. Like you can't do any of that stuff now you're thinking it. But just make sure that you're always there as much as you can be there. And don't be afraid to spoil them. Adam in Michigan. Hi, Adam. What's on your mind today? How's it going? Hey, man. Got a dying dog, a fractured ankle and a wonderful three year old running around in snowy Michigan. So I am not hitting any golf balls today. Wow. Yeah, I know a lot to unpack, but I just want to talk about last night. Finally got to watch the NBA on espn. Still feels weird to say. I feel like the mothership has been hiding that wonderful show from us. And I enjoyed the heck out of it. Especially when Barkley called March Madness the Arizona Invitational. Got a kick out of that. But I just wanted to dap up Marvin a little bit. As a former bartender, used to close.

[Charles Barkley]

On Thursday nights with TNT on and.

[Dan Patrick]

Then open up on Friday mornings. We would let that Charm marathon roll all day long. Nobody was turning that stuff off. So. I hear you, big guy. All right, well, thank you, Adam. You want to explain Charm marathon?

[Charles Barkley]

Yes. So during the NBA season, which my wife called Babe, are you coming to bed? Season, you wake up in the morning after going to bed and TNT is on, and you go to sleep. The inside the NBA. And you wake up the next morning, and Charmed is on.

[Dan Patrick]

All morning long. Never saw an episode.

[Charles Barkley]

Oh, I didn't hear a word they said.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, you just watched Alyssa Milano. Oh, okay. Top five odds to win March Madness according to DraftKings. My Arizona Wildcats. And then it's Michigan, Duke, Houston and Connecticut. Suckers taking that bet. Easy money right there. Jay in Delaware. Hi, Jay. What's on your mind? Hey, good morning, Dan. Can you hear me all right? Yes, I can, Jay. Okay, I just got a quick comment on Bill Belichick. Like everybody else, I think it's absolutely ridiculous. Even if Spygate's a thing, he had, like, two hall of Fame careers after that. He was the architect of that team from beginning to the end. Like you said, defense has carried that team. He probably has more hall of Famers on the defense than he does the offense, where they have one hall of Fame weapon besides Randy Moss, which is grump. And then, yeah, he didn't take Tom Brady, so picked 199, but he made that decision to keep Tom instead of Tom instead of Bledsoe. So I just. I don't think there's any excuse that anybody can come up with that there isn't a retort to keep him in. No. And unless you're saying, okay, Bill's getting in, these guys, this is their last chance. Now, I understand that. And. And I've said, if you tell me why you didn't vote for him or why you were voting for somebody else, okay, like, I might. I might say that your logic is flawed, but I also have to respect that you have earned the right to vote. You don't get paid to be part of the Pro Football hall of Fame, and it's a thankless job. I respect if you're transparent about why you did or didn't. Yes, Pauline. It's a. It feels like there's more to this, though, when you see that press release, I think there's going to be. Someone's going to get dinged. But when you look at the different halls of Fame, first ballot, hall of Famers, I don't know if it's a big deal to people. Like, I didn't even remember if Charles was a first ballot. I assumed he was, but the Basketball hall of Fame is different. Baseball, Pretty tough. Yeah. Paulie. This day in Sports History, 1936. Dan. The first members of baseball's hall of Fame, this was the first ever class. They were Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth, Honus Wagner, Christie Matheson and Walter Johnson. Babe ruth. There were 226 writers. 11 didn't vote Babe Ruthen. Yeah. I just don't think he's, you know, Gar kind of carried him. Yeah, I would love to hear that meeting. Yeah. Damn. Yeah. You would think you. You would be unanimous. Babe would be unanimous. Ty Cobb, you know, all of those players unanimous. Yes, Todd. We do make Baby a little larger than life with all these stories that he point to the fence or he's.

[Charles Barkley]

Gonna hit the home run and call a shot.

[Dan Patrick]

Let's everybody relax. Wait. It was a good play. It was a really good play. Are you calling Babe Ruth overrated? I'm hinting at that. Wow. Keith and Chico. Hi, Keith. What's going on? Hey, Dan. I just had more on the Belichick stuff. When you talk, think about Andy Reid. Most of his career has been put on the back of Patrick Mahomes, so I wonder if he's gonna be a shoeing for a first ballot. And second, you've got Bill Belichick, one of the most situationally aware guys. They were practicing that pick play all week leading up to that super bowl with Seattle, with Malcolm Butler, and then they sub him in to make that play. I just think he's such a genius, and to not put him in is just such a crime, man. Yeah, but I mean, there's more to that than just. I mean, he did what you want a coach to do. He would change from quarter to quarter. I remember that game against the Colts where they just ran the football. I. I mean, all you have to do is ask Brady. And I don't know what their relationship's like, but many spoke glowingly of Belichick. I never thought, like, when you're thinking of topics like this week, we're like, all right, well, we got a week before our super bowl week. What are we going to talk about, man? Thank you. Thank you, voters. Todd, what'd you learn today? Cavs rookie Jalen Tyson may not agree, but one can comfortably say Cleveland is still LeBron's town. Not Donovan, Mitchell, Seaton. Did you learn anything? I did. I learned Tom Brady would have had a much better career if he had a Hall of Fame coach. If he had Andy Reed, Don Shula, Marvin Charles Barkley said, Roy Henson.

[Charles Barkley]

Good dude.

[Dan Patrick]

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