LaVar Arrington (3:04)

Hey, I made some lamb. Lamb lowing chops yesterday. Yeah, crushed it, bro. I gotta say, I did a pretty, pretty amazing job of. Of making them.

Jonas Knox (3:18)

What was the inspiration for the lamb?

LaVar Arrington (3:23)

That's what came. We ordered. We actually ordered supporter houses, but that's what ended up showing up. I guess that's what was in stock where we got it from. All right. I mean, so we just went ahead and went with it. I said, hey, let me. I've never tried it before. Had a little different taste. It has a different taste than, than regular, like steak, but has the same type of look to it, just smaller,

Jonas Knox (3:48)

you know, I don't think I've ever cooked lamb. I don't think I. I've even thought about taking a. Taking a peek at that or even giving it, giving it an opportunity.

LaVar Arrington (3:58)

Probably wouldn't happen if it didn't happen the way that it did. I made some oxtails the other day too.

Jonas Knox (4:03)

Oh, yeah.

LaVar Arrington (4:03)

Oh, bro, bro.

Jonas Knox (4:05)

Cuz, listen, St. Patty's Day is coming up around the corner and we talked about this. The difference between cottage pie and shepherd's pie, you know, shepherd's pie is, I think has lamb in it. Cottage pie has got the beef.

LaVar Arrington (4:16)

I'm more of a.

Jonas Knox (4:16)

Of a cottage pie guy. I've heard two different versions of that. So for to argue it, but shepherd's

LaVar Arrington (4:22)

pies are really good, though.

Jonas Knox (4:23)

Really good.

LaVar Arrington (4:24)

Shepherd pie really get the job done. Yeah, really good.

Jonas Knox (4:27)

Yeah.

LaVar Arrington (4:27)

You can feel really good about it and it tastes better the older it gets. So you could run it all the way to the end. Like right before it gets to that point of where you got to throw it out like that last day before expiration, that it's still going to. It's going to taste its best because it had that, that opportunity to like just marinate and marinate and marinate and then you're reheating it and then there's. I don't know, something about it. Man. Certain foods, just something about it. They taste better the next day. Yeah, gumbo tastes better.

Jonas Knox (4:57)

Chicken parm can heat chicken parm up. Tastes fantastic.

LaVar Arrington (5:00)

Does it taste better the next day?

Jonas Knox (5:01)

Great. Chicken parm heats up. Great.

LaVar Arrington (5:03)

Okay.

Jonas Knox (5:04)

Wouldn't recommend maybe like Chinese food. Doesn't doesn't seem to.

LaVar Arrington (5:08)

It's strange. It doesn't taste.

Jonas Knox (5:10)

Yeah.

LaVar Arrington (5:10)

Like fried rice. It doesn't taste the same. Well, sometimes it does. Actually. Actually, Benihanas tastes good the next day.

Jonas Knox (5:17)

What up, Betty?

LaVar Arrington (5:18)

Benihana stays good the next day. I got. I gotta say that. Okay, anyway, enough about food.

Jonas Knox (5:25)

So we opened up the show. We were talking about the off season speculation that Max Crosby sit down with Caleb Williams, in which he gave him all sorts of compliments, and they were really, really complimentary of each other. If that was sort of a. An opportunity for them to try and speak into existence the potential of Max Crosby joining the Bears. If. If this was sort of laying the groundwork and the foundation for Max Crosby joining the Chicago Bears or at least create the conversation. And there's been some. There's been some reports out there. I think it was Adam Schefter who reported that the Raiders would seek two first round picks and a position player for Max Crosby similar to Micah Parsons. The problem is, you know, Micah Parsons is a better pass rusher. Uh, Micah Parsons is also younger. Max Crosby's 29. He's coming off the injury. And I love Max Crosby. And. And the thing about Max Crosby is the numbers may not be the equivalent to a Micah Parsons or a Miles Garrett, but Max Crosby, the effort he gives you, he's a game wrecker. And, you know, it's like a Julius Peppers, like Julius Peppers may not have been, you know, the, the. The biggest sack artist in the NFL historically.

LaVar Arrington (6:41)

Difference maker for the, for the beers

Jonas Knox (6:43)

and I mean, for.

LaVar Arrington (6:44)

He just was crazy for years.

Jonas Knox (6:46)

Crazy.

LaVar Arrington (6:47)

Yeah, for years.

Jonas Knox (6:47)

Yeah.

LaVar Arrington (6:48)

So he made a big difference. And Max Crosby is that type of talent where you'd have to assume you could get a good four to five years just based off of his will to compete, his desire to be the best that he can possibly be. You'll get four or five good years out of Max Crosby.

Jonas Knox (7:05)

You remember when Micah Parsons first got to Green Bay, there were some complaints about. Well, I mean, you know, you're paying all that money you gave up all that draft capital where the numbers is back.

LaVar Arrington (7:14)

He doesn't have numbers. This, that and other.

Jonas Knox (7:16)

Just because the sack number weren't up initially, he was still setting other players up for success on the defense because of all the, all the blocks he got, all the, the chips, all. That's like. It opened up so many other things for players. And Max Crosby's like that type of

LaVar Arrington (7:30)

guy, hadn't played either. So that's an extreme circumstance. Right. That's an extreme situation where a guy that you didn't expect to be somewhere else ends up somewhere else. He hadn't played. He had been. It was like, kind of a standoff. So he hadn't been playing. He wasn't like, really. He did some participation, but not very. It was very limited in. In Dallas when all those contractual conversations.

Jonas Knox (7:51)

Because how dare he lay on a training table. He's laying on his training table.

LaVar Arrington (7:54)

I mean, what else? You ain't paying him to play. You're not paying him to play. So I guess. Where else? He was there? Yeah. I mean, he had some nachos. You got to eat, you know?

Jonas Knox (8:04)

Yeah, he was eating nachos, right?

LaVar Arrington (8:06)

Nachos.

Jonas Knox (8:07)

That's a great move.

LaVar Arrington (8:09)

Here's the thing, Right? Is it? Well, I mean, maybe he was sending a message, right? Like, this is nacho cheese.

Jonas Knox (8:14)

Yes.

LaVar Arrington (8:15)

Get it?

Jonas Knox (8:16)

I can't. I got you, man.

LaVar Arrington (8:17)

This is nacho cheese. It ended up being green Bay. It ended up being green beige cheese.

Jonas Knox (8:22)

And by the way, I said a little.

LaVar Arrington (8:24)

Little pun intended, maybe. I don't know, a little.

Jonas Knox (8:26)

Little pro tip for. For restaurants and anybody out there that makes nachos at home. You gotta layer it, okay? You gotta. You gotta put one layer of the chips, then the toppings on, then the next layer of the chips, and then the toppings on. If you just put all the toppings on top of all the chips, next thing you know, you got bear chips at the bottom. They end up getting soggy.

LaVar Arrington (8:42)

You gotta have the bones.

Jonas Knox (8:43)

You gotta have the structure. You gotta. It's just, you know, it. Those. You know, it's just one of those things you got to do the right

LaVar Arrington (8:49)

way, you know, I bake mine.

Jonas Knox (8:51)

You bake?

LaVar Arrington (8:52)

And then I put. Then I put the cold stuff on there, like the. The lettuce and the tomatoes and the sour cream and the guacamole. But I. I bake it first. I bake them bad boys.

Jonas Knox (9:02)

Good move.

LaVar Arrington (9:03)

Yeah, man.

Jonas Knox (9:03)

Yeah.

LaVar Arrington (9:04)

And then broil it. Broil the top of the cheese so the cheese is like. Like real nice and. And. And, like, burnt. And then I put the other stuff on it when I take it out.

Jonas Knox (9:14)

Damn.

LaVar Arrington (9:14)

Yeah, bro.

Jonas Knox (9:15)

That's how it's done.

LaVar Arrington (9:16)

Fire.

Jonas Knox (9:16)

Yeah.

LaVar Arrington (9:17)

Okay, Go ahead.

Jonas Knox (9:17)

You know, like, you seem like you've got, like, a good plan in place when you're making all these meals, you know, you should do what? You should take over the job of getting the Bears a new stadium in Chicago. That's what you should do.

LaVar Arrington (9:30)

That may be a little bit more

Jonas Knox (9:31)

difficult Though here's the latest on the subject of the place that maybe Max Crosby could end up going. If you believe all the speculation, his

LaVar Arrington (9:40)

career might be over by the time they get that bill.

Jonas Knox (9:42)

So the Bears released a statement earlier because there's been this speculation that they would go to Indiana to try and get a stadium done. That they would, that Indiana wants to bring them in and they want, they'd like to bring in the Bears and they've had all these, you know, they sat down at all these meetings and discussions and they put plans in place and all that. So this from the Bears. A statement from the Chicago Bears earlier. The passage of SB27, which is the Indiana Senate bill that they put together, would mark the most meaningful step forward in our stadium planning efforts to date. The Bear said in a statement. We are committed to finishing the remaining site specific, necessary due diligence to support our vision to build a world class stadium near the Wolf Lake area in Hammond, Indiana. We appreciate the leadership shown by the powers that be in Indiana. Their names are irrelevant. General assembly establishing this critical framework and path forward to deliver a premier venue for all Chicagoland and a destination for Bears fans and visitors from across the globe. We value our partnership and look forward to continuing to build our working relationship together. That from the Chicago Bears. The Indiana governor Mike Braun posted on afterwards and released a statement. So here we go again with this crap that has been going on over and over and over and over again. They tried this garbage years ago where they threw out Indiana as a potential landing spot. They tried it like all of this. And I remember, you know, the great Mike north, you know, sports talk radio legend showed up in Gary, Indiana with a gas mask. We don't need to bring Jonas as a pit. Fox Sports Radio alum Mike north showed up to Gary, Indiana with a gas mask on because he had heard that there was a real odd odor in the city of Gary, Indiana. But now here we go with the Max Crosby speculation to the Bears and the news and the Bears having all this momentum coming off a successful season. We've got the Indiana possibility for a stadium to be rolled out. And I don't know how it lands with you because we're not in Chicago. But how would it sit with you if this team ended up building a stadium and playing their games in Indiana?

LaVar Arrington (12:05)

Okay, let's. First of all, I think really depends on the concentration of your fan base. Like Chicago is a lot of, of suburbs. You had downtown. Yeah, the, the, you know, the city part of, of of Chicago. But it's a lot of suburbs.

Jonas Knox (12:28)

It's burbs.

LaVar Arrington (12:29)

It's like a whole bunch of them. Like super, super large amount of different areas that make up these different suburbs of, of Chicago. I would say this is a study that the Chicago Bears need to get correct. Whether I'm right or wrong doesn't matter. I think what matters most is in trying to do this. So here are I guess the reported reasons as to why they would want to move and do a stadium somewhere else. Soldier Field is one of the smallest stadiums. That's one.

Jonas Knox (13:08)

Correct.

LaVar Arrington (13:09)

Old, super old smallest stadium. Two, they want to dome it. They want to be able to do year round mega events at, at this venue. Like so like you were saying in comparison to like what, what Jerry Jones created the model of, of Jerry's World and the Star and all that stuff. What, what they're doing. Then there's the idea of the tax, the taxes connected to it. Like what are you paying in taxes in Chicago? What are you paying in taxes in Indiana? So there's that idea of it. How is it being monetized? It sounds as though they're trying to do a privately monetized stadium. So if they're not doing it through tax dollars, I would assume that they're looking at this from the standpoint of if we're not using tax dollars to build this, this venue, then we want to have the best tax breaks that we could possibly get. That's what I would assume is the reason why I don't know the tax situation in Indiana versus in Chicago. But I would assume that taxes are prob. Bit more lighter and easier in Indiana than they are in Chicago. I'm just assuming that could be an ignorant comment, so don't hold me to that. But I, I'm just assuming how much of your fan base is in Indiana. How I asked you guys, how far of a drive is that from Chicago? You guys said like what, six hours or something like that. If I'm a Chicago Beers fan and my home team of the Chicago Bears are, are playing six hours away, I'll never go to that game. That's just me. That's my take on it. I don't. If it were that long of a drive, depending on how long it is that we have to drive to get there, I think you're, you're cutting yourself off to a very, very. Is it important? I. I should say if you're a Chicago person, is it important, an important part of your, your, your fan demo? I, I mean, I think those are all questions that have to be answered. And it seems as though they're comfortable with it. If these are the conversations that have been ensuing, like idea that it could end up in Indiana says to me that they see the value in taking a mega, A, A mega event center. Not just where the Bears play, but a mega event center. So that means they probably would. Would have parking and they will control their parking and how that works and other things that are, you know, maybe they're able to do a nice practice facility. Maybe they're able.

Jonas Knox (15:42)

It's.

LaVar Arrington (15:42)

It's really a real estate play is what it is, of course.

Jonas Knox (15:45)

And, and they've talked about, you know, they want lakefront and go to Arlington Heights because that's where there was an old racetrack that was there a horse racing track and they've got all the land there and there's been this back and forth the problem. And you can speak to this because, look, it's, it's not far from Chicago, you know, to get to Wolf Lake and Hammond, Indiana and all that. It's like, you know, maybe like a 40 minute drive or something like that.

LaVar Arrington (16:09)

Well, that's different. I thought y' all told me like, like five, six hours.

Jonas Knox (16:12)

No, I think. I forget. We were talking about. It was. Oh, we. It was when Iowa. Iowa threw out the idea of also putting in a bid for the Bears. And so we were saying, oh, yeah, why not at this point? Like, why not Iowa? Yeah. You know, in fact, if it's a

LaVar Arrington (16:26)

40 minute drive, you could probably take public transit some way somehow take the train to a certain place like Uber or whatever.

Jonas Knox (16:32)

All that's. Listen, all that's fine. And ultimately, if they decide to move to Indiana and it's a better deal for them, like, what do I care? The Giants and the jets don't play in New York. They play in New Jersey. Like, like, what do I care? Like, they want to play there. We live in here in Los Angeles. Everyone raves about. So stadium. It's a gazebo. Like, if we're being honest, can't walk

LaVar Arrington (16:53)

all the way around.

Jonas Knox (16:53)

No, you can't. Like on a certain level, it cuts you off and you got to go downstairs to get to where you needed to go. It like the whole place is a. It's a gazebo. So I look at, I look at the situation with the Bear stadium and I'm just reminded of this because for a little backstory for people that are unfamiliar with the show. The year before Aaron Rodgers started playing with the Jets, Brady Quinn and myself were really excited about it. Rogers is back, the jets got a quarterback. It's this, this and this and. And one. Lavar Arrington said to us, telling you guys, you can't escape dysfunction, you can't escape it. And I look at this situation with the Bears and I'm reminded as to what is happening with the Washington commanders, where they had all this momentum and there was all this stuff going on. Dan Snyder's out, he's gone. We're having discussions about, you know, Jaden Daniels being the next big thing and Dan Quinn, and they're back and they're a game away from the super bowl and they're all this stuff. And then all of a sudden this year happens. They've gotten rid of coordinator after coordinator. There's questions about Jaden Daniels long term future and health there. There's questions about Dan Quinn, what happened with Cliff Kingsbury. And you're just reminded, oh, there's still remnants of that. And there's been some reports that have said part of the staff overhaul there is, because maybe some of the old people up top who still want to have a say in decisions on the field still exists in Washington, even though it's a new regime. And I look at the Bears situation and I go, you finally want a playoff game for the first time in over a decade. You've got your quarterback of the future, you've got the head coach, you've got all this positive momentum. And then somebody knocks on your door and says, oh, by the way, here's more dysfunction for you. You're going to go to Indiana. Because we still can't figure out how to get an effing stadium done. Like, they just, they can't get out of their own way. Like, they can't. It's just every time bad teams historically have an opportunity or see a little glimmer of hope or see a light, it's like trying to swim to the top. You go, oh my God, there's the surface of the water. And then you go, wait a second, let me stay down here a little bit longer and see what's around. Like, let me go ahead and take a look at one of these UFOs that's reportedly underwater. It just, this is why bad teams for the most part stay bad for a long time because they can't help themselves. This stadium should have, they should have already figured this out. There should have been all this stuff done and still we're having this conversation. And as you mentioned, Iowa threw their name in the hat. You got the lakefront, you've got Arlington, you've got Indiana, you've got the Bears releasing statements. You know, Kevin Warren's going to have a statement that comes out. It's just some of these teams cannot figure out how to have success. They don't know how to do it.

LaVar Arrington (19:47)

You brought Washington into the conversation. They've been dealing with the same, the same thing and they actually got it. They've now. But so it makes me think about the idea that these are, I wonder how much relation relationships is driving why it's so difficult for Chicago to get this project done. Washington D.C. was not going to support Dan Snyder and doing a new, a new stadium. They just weren't. This wasn't going to happen. Relationship wise, it wasn't going to happen. So I wonder now they get new ownership, new new type of energy, new type of people, relationships driving it and now all of a sudden they get approved to do a new stadium where the old site of RFK was. So that's, that's exciting and interesting news. I think it's great to bring Washington D.C. football team back to Washington D.C. i think there's something magical about them playing in D.C. even though I never played one game in D.C. just the stories that I heard, maybe that, that returns and restores a lot of what was lost when they moved out to land over Maryland. As it applies to Chicago. I just wonder, is it, is there a relationship friction between the people that are running Chicago in Congress, in local government? Is there a riff, is there a long standing beef between ownership and the relationships between the Chicago Bears and these people?

Jonas Knox (21:22)

By the way, you'd have to imagine they're probably not on great terms with how long this has dragged on for like how long the negotiation is.

LaVar Arrington (21:31)

If you have a good relationship, you can communicate through things, right? You can talk through things. You can figure out something that's going to work for everybody, all parties involved. When things don't get done and they're drug out for as long as this has been and there's so much indecision and indecisiveness on what it is that's taking place, you got to believe it's because people can't come together and talk through it and come up with a sensible, you know, solution to what it is that's going on.

Jonas Knox (21:58)

Yeah, it's a weird situation, but that is the latest as there's momentum building towards the Chicago Bears actually building a stadium in Indiana and putting an end to this years long battle between them and the city of Chicago. It is two pros and a cup of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio filling in for the Dan Patrick show brought to you by TruGreen. Don't waste another weekend doing your lawn care yourself. Partner with the official lawn care treatment provider of the PGA Tour and get a golf course quality lawn the easy way. Sign up@trugreen.com then sit back and relax. All right, so coming up next here, somebody in sports has got a real problem, but they're trying to sell you on it not being a problem. That's yours here on fsr. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Fox Sports Radio is taking over YouTube and you can be a part of it. Just go to YouTube and search Fox Sports Radio. Hit that subscribe button and smash that notification bell and catch all the videos from your favorite show shows. Two pros and a cup of Joe, Dan Patrick, Colin Cowherd, Stu Gotz and company Lied Covino and Rich, the Odd Couple with Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington, the Jason Smith show with Mike Harmon and the Ben Maller Show. Fox sports radio on YouTube. Subscribe hit that thumbs up icon and comment away this month, iHeartRadio is celebrating the stars of the 2026 Winter Games. Louisville, Kentucky is home to Oksana Masters, a living legend of adaptation adaptive sports. A multi sport phenomenon with 19 Paralympic medals, she dominates the snow in both cross country skiing and biathlon. Her relentless upper body strength and competitive fire make her nearly unbeatable on the tracks. Masters arrives in Milano Cortina not just to compete, but to continue her reign as one of the most dominant athletes in history. For more Winter Games Gold Search Olympics

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LaVar Arrington (25:00)

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Jonas Knox (25:03)

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LaVar Arrington (25:20)

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She is not with us anymore.

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Jonas Knox (27:35)

It is the Dan Patrick show here on fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Dan and the guys. You can follow along on YouTube as well, too. At 2 Pros FSR on YouTube, we're being simulcast right now. You can hear Lavar and I weekday morning, 6:00am EAS time, 3:00 clock Pacific, alongside Brady Quinn on 2 Pros and a cup of Joe before the Dan Patrick Show. And coming up here, and we'll call it a little over 15 minutes from now, we are going to close up shop with a little something we do on our show called the Leftovers. That'll be yours here on fsr. So there's been a lot of. We talked about the NBA earlier and probably the most interesting story to come out of the NBA all season long was whether or not Kevin Durant had a burner account out by the name of Get Off My Dickerson, which, which LaVar and I broke down last hour. And there's, you know, the NBA's had kind of an interesting week where you've got the NBA All Star Game. While it was improved, I think people still look at it and go, yeah, but can we just do east versus West? We gotta have three different teams, four different teams. What are we talking about? The NFL just ended and this is what you're, this is how you're going to lead off. A lot of people now giving the NBA a little bit of love is this. So got all that stuff going on with the NBA and then on top of it, you've got this stuff happening. When it comes to tanking, where the Utah Jazz got popped, I think like $500,000 because they were leading in a game. They had two players who had combined for like 50 points. And then the Jazz decided as the fourth quarter started they were just going to sit both guys. And you're seeing these teams around the NBA almost blatantly resting players and tanking. And so Adam Silver is trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube. He's been a doormat for the players since he's gotten there and so he wants to stop tanking. And then a guy like Mark Cuban chimes in on social media and starts out this long ass tweet and tweet storm. That starts with why the NBA should embrace tanking. And he went on to just fire away his thoughts. And it was very well thought, thought out and, you know, just talked about, you know. You know, fans know their team can't win every game. They know only one team can win a ring. What fans care about is their team's record. They want hope, hope that they will get better, have a chance to compete for the playoffs, and then maybe win a ring. He says, you know, who cares less about tanking? A parent who can't afford to bring their three kids to a game and buy their kids a jersey or their favorite player. Tanking isn't the issue. Affordability and quality of the game presentation are.

LaVar Arrington (30:18)

All right, that's. I wouldn't disagree with that.

Jonas Knox (30:21)

I wouldn't either. Like, I think all of that is fair. And while his. His point and direction he would take it is, you know, just bottom out. Like, you know, if that's the case, if you're trying to get to that place, what's going to get you there faster is through the draft, through free agency. So why not bottom out? Me, personally, if he's talking about hope and he's talking about a fan base that wants hope, I'd rather have a team that I know is at least in contention for the playoffs every year, even if they're a five or a six or a seven seed, than some team who's going to give away all their players, acquire a bunch of draft capital and hope that one of these lotto scratchers, they get in the draft out of Lithuania, turn out to be a superstar. Like, I would rather just be in contention. Like, you could say whatever you want about the Steelers and you could say whatever you want about, you know, when Marvin Lewis was in Cincinnati and the Bengals are going to the playoffs but not winning playoff games, dude, at least they were in contention. At least they were there with an opportunity to win games and have a chance to. To try and achieve the ultimate goal. I'd rather have that than some team that's resting starters just hoping that they win the draft lottery so that they could potentially land the next big thing and maybe possibly get to a point to where they could compete for a championship.

LaVar Arrington (31:53)

Yeah, singular players through the draft and also through, you know, blockbuster trades can profoundly impact the fortunes of a basketball team. It's not as. It's not as complex to try to build a winning team in basketball than in, say, other sports like football, because there's just so many positions right like basketball, you play both sides of the court. It's not like you go down, you play offense, you come off, somebody comes on, you play defense, they come off, you go back, you play offense, you play offense and defense, defense, you have your mo. You're supposed to be multifaceted, you're supposed to have every impact on the phase of the game. And so when you, when you start looking at how you go about building a team, you're always going to look at what is the most amazing player available for you to be able to try to bring into your franchise. And if you can get that by tanking and getting a lottery pick. I mean, everybody wanted Wimby, you know,

Jonas Knox (33:11)

I mean there, there's even the Blazers. I tried hard.

LaVar Arrington (33:14)

Everybody wanted LeBron James. You know, people want what they want because when you get those type of players, they can transform your team into a competitive team team. And, and so if you're tanking to try to get that type of, of pick and have that type of result, if you get one of those generational players, then now all you have to do is try to find the supporting cast. Now you're going to need at least one to two more franchise superstar players in today's league to be able to get it done. A guy like Wemby can't do it by himself. Himself, as good as Steph Curry has been, and he wasn't even considered a franchise guy coming out of, of college, still, yet still he can't get it done by himself. LeBron James can't get it done by himself. That's why there's been so much conversation and who's coming in, who's going out, who's coaching the LA Lakers during this LeBron James era of time. So, you know, if you can get, get a guy that is an anchor franchise guy for your, your organization, that's, that's a rising tide for all ships in the harbor, right? Like you're going to get jersey sales, you're going to get that experience that Mark Cuban is talking about for your kids. You're going to want to come out of the house to go see the games and spectate the games. You're going to want to go to events where you're able to meet the players and meet the star player. I, I think that that's, to me, if you're, if you're looking at tanking because that's what your ultimately your goal is to try to do. I mean, I, I have a hard time. While I don't like the idea of tanking. I have a hard time saying that tanking doesn't make sense in some scenarios and situations.

Jonas Knox (35:07)

Now the other side of this is Adam Silver is really against the whole tanking. As we pointed out, he popped the Jazz $500,000 for. For conduct. Ben Gulliver was talking about this. He covers the NBA and he spoke about what also could be some reasoning behind Adam Silver really trying to put his foot down on the tanking issue in the league. And it's got a lot to do with their partners. Now you have guys who are sitting down in the middle of games that are potentially winnable. They're not playing in the fourth quarter because, you know, teams are potentially playing for job positioning. I think one real key aspect to this with Utah, if you're not playing guys in the fourth quarter, how many bets is that impacting? Right. We know how much the NBA has gotten in bed with gambling. You know, over unders are at stake. You know, player props are at stake. If coaches are just willy nilly not playing guys the entire game and they're not letting people know in advance that they plan to do that, you're going to have a lot of angry gamblers and a lot of angry gambling companies as well. So I think that was one aspect to why he really had to lay the smackdown, so to speak, you know, at All Star Weekend. So I get the concern for gambling and the impact of gambling on the NBA, but if you're going to base how you run your league on the gambling partners and the paranoia that comes along with it, then you should have never gotten involved with them to begin with because this stuff has always existed. That's what gambling's about. The best gamblers find an advantage, find a spot or a weakness, and they attack it. If you find out some guy's got a. Got an injury and you figured it out from, from talking to somebody, you know, close to him, like you're going to lean into that. If you know that a team isn't interested in winning and they're going to rest players like the Jazz did, you can use that as some sort of an intel to handicap how the game is going to go. If they're basing all of their decisions,

LaVar Arrington (37:06)

make it a little bit more difficult. You know, I feel like it would make it a little bit more difficult if I got to work with the idea that you're benching some of your best players and, and the idea of like, outside of the wins and losses aspect of it, like, but what do you. Like, how do you Figure out what the total over under is going to be or what. Or, you know, how many, you know, the. The team that's going to end up eventually winning because you're tanking, they're going to win. I feel like it makes the elements a little bit more difficult in the gambling world to be, you know, if you're really looking at it.

Jonas Knox (37:37)

And those elements have always been there. Like, there's. There's always been an over under. There's always been a point spread. There's been prop bets. There's been all sorts of stuff that you could gamble on.

LaVar Arrington (37:47)

Issue is, doesn't that even hurt you on the prop betting? Right. Like, they took them out for the fourth quarter and.

Jonas Knox (37:53)

And you could also. And look, they. They've tried to put limits on some of this stuff and different books do different things. Like, you had the.

Podcast Narrator (38:02)

The.

Jonas Knox (38:02)

The issue is with the gambling stuff, and Adam Silver saw the money and the dollars attached to the gambling companies that come in. And let me tell you something. For people listening, it matters. Like, gambling companies have changed the game. I don't care if it's radio, podcasting, television, sports leagues, where all the money's going. It's huge. It's huge. But there's also, because of that, you've got a bunch of virgins, for lack of a better term, who've never gambled, who don't know anything about the world, and they see every gambling story as a threat to the establishment. Oh, my God. It's a threat to the integrity of the game. Dude, Mark Cuban just said it. Hey, we didn't always tank, but we did sometimes. And that guy ran in and NBA team, and that guy ran an NBA team who needed fans in the building and is saying after the fact, oh, yeah, we tank games, you know, of course we did. Like, I get it.

LaVar Arrington (38:56)

That's why he's the man, though. Cause he's. He's willing to put himself out there and he's willing to let his fan base know and. Which, by the way, is a very strategic move in the sense that they're. They're, you know, aggressively approaching, trying to repurchase the. The majority stake of. Of the team.

Jonas Knox (39:12)

Right, right.

LaVar Arrington (39:13)

So, you know, think about the timing of that.

Jonas Knox (39:15)

He's throwing it out there.

LaVar Arrington (39:17)

Yeah.

Jonas Knox (39:17)

I mean, if you want me back, at least I'll do it on the up and up. And I won't trade Luca.

LaVar Arrington (39:20)

I'll. Well, there you go.

Jonas Knox (39:22)

Yeah. Like there.

LaVar Arrington (39:23)

Yeah, there's an easy way back in it.

Jonas Knox (39:25)

It's just I. I think People like, start to attach gambling to, to the issues in the NBA and the issues of tanking. Dude, tanking's always been there. Gambling's always been there. You just know about it now that that's what the real difference is. And so if this is, oh, they

LaVar Arrington (39:40)

knew about it, then they just didn't want you to know they knew about it.

Jonas Knox (39:43)

Yeah, and the officials knew about it, too.

LaVar Arrington (39:46)

Come on. Everybody is in it, on it. That money was touching everybody, including owners. It's touching everybody.

Jonas Knox (39:51)

And I'll say this right now, all right, Gambling is a wonderful thing for sports. And I've told you this, and I've, and I've said this before, if you want to make a game interesting, it is the hot sauce or condiment for your game. Like, oh, you're watching, like when Terry Rozier got popped because, you know, some guy won 13 grand on a, on a Hornets whatever, Pelicans game on a Thursday night. Did you know what? That guy deserves whatever money he made based on the fact that that guy was watching a Hornets Pelicans game on a Thursday night in March. Okay, and why was he watching it? Because the hot sauce that he got to use to put on the game to make it that much more, to make it taste that much better. That's exactly why you better believe it. So Mark Cuban, Adam Silver, everybody relax. Gambling's not going anywhere. Just like tanking isn't. It's always been. Here it is. The Dam Patrick show here on Fox Sports Radio. He's Lavar Arrington. I'm Jonas Knox. You can listen on the iHeartRadio app. You can stream us wherever you happen to be. So catch all of our Fox sports radio shows live 24. 7 in the new and improved iHeartradio app search FOX Sports Radio and the after stream is live all day, every day. And be sure to select Fox Sports Radio as one of your presets in the iHeart apps will always pop up at the top of your screen. And up next here, we're going to tell you about a scandal that you and almost everybody you know can relate to. And it's yours here on fsr. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to listen live.

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Podcast Narrator (41:58)

June 11, 1998, a deputy from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department went missing. It's an all out manhunt for John Ajay. Every search and rescue team in LA county has been called into to help. Within days, tips started flooding into the sheriff's department. They ruler around the drug scene. Was that a deputy was taken care of. Is this the story of a man who just got lost in the desert? Or of a cover up inside the nation's largest sheriff's department?

LaVar Arrington (42:30)

A homicide captain saying detective, do not

Jonas Knox (42:33)

find out if this guy's guilty or innocent. Who did does that?

Podcast Narrator (42:37)

Valley of Shadows, a new series from Pushkin Industries about crime and corruption in California's high desert. Do you have any advice for us while looking into this disappearance?

LaVar Arrington (42:50)

I wouldn't do it alone.

Podcast Narrator (42:52)

Listen to Valley of shadows on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. You can accomplish a lot in a decade. You could earn a bachelor's degree and a master's degree back to back. You could compete in two separate consecutive Olympic games while we made my favorite murder. It's been 10 years of true crime, 10 years of conversation and 100 years of swearing. Here's the thing, everyone. Politeness. Go F yourself when someone sneezes. From now on, we have something for everyone. Advice, support and a safe space for your feelings. This is terrible. Keep going. Triflers need not apply. Stay out of the forest. You're in a cult. Call your dad. Don't worry, it gets worse. Toxic masculinity. He ruins the party again. I said, dad, what the hell? What are we gonna do? And he goes, I don't. What the hell? I don't know. We're gonna sally forth. Sally. We're gonna sally forth. You guys stay sexy. Don't get murdered. Elvis, do you want a cookie? A cookie? Listen to my favorite murder on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Goodbye. This season on Dear Chelsea with me, Chelsea Handler. We've got some incredible guests like Kumail Nanjiani. Let's start. How is she?

Jonas Knox (44:09)

She is not with us anymore.

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Okay, great, great, great. Way to start. So this is a great beginning and hopefully you'll be able to. I don't know, maybe you will cry. Amanda Seyfried Life is so short. If you feel something like that, you have that fire in you for this experience. It's not for a guy. It's for the experience of being in love. And, like, it's bigger than a guy. Elizabeth Olsen I love swimming naked so much. And I know you love taking pictures of yourself naked. I love to be naked. I just want to be in my bra underwear all the time. Ross Matthews. You know what kids always say to me? Are you a boy or a girl? Oh, my God. All the time. I know. So I'm always like, hi. I try to butch it up for kids, you know, so they're not confused. Yeah, but you're butching it up. It's basically like an angry woman. Doris Day, right? No, I turn into Bea Arthur. Listen to these episodes of Dear Chelsea on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey everyone, it's Emily Simpson and Shane Simpson from the Legally Brunette podcast.

Jonas Knox (45:10)

Each week we're bringing you true crime through a legal lens.

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And we're not just lawyers. We're also husband and wife. It makes for some pretty entertainment, entertaining episodes.

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Jonas Knox (45:35)

It's the Dan Patrick show here on Fox Sports Radio. He's Lavar Arrington. I'm Jonas Knox in for Dan and the guys. We're gonna be back on the air coming up tomorrow, same time, same place, 9:00am Eastern Time, 6:00 clock Pacific. Brady Quinn will be joining us. You'll be able to follow along on the iHeartRadio app. You'll be able to follow along on the YouTube channel as well too, at 2 pros, FSR. So for those of you that have enjoyed the show today, you can watch the show on YouTube again coming up tomorrow as well. Two at two pros, FSR. And if you've missed any of today's show, podcast wise, you'll want to catch that podcast by searching two Pros wherever you get your podcast. Right after the show. Today's pod will be posted. Be sure to follow it rated five stars. You can even provide a review. Again, just search two pros. Wherever you get your podcast, you'll find today's full show and a best of version posted right after we get off the air. Time to find out what's left. Sounds incredible. Here's the leftovers. All right, so to find out what we've not gotten to yet, we turn it over to our executive producer, the one and only Patrick Suica. Patty.

Podcast Narrator (46:45)

Hello.

Jonas Knox (46:46)

Hello.

Patrick Suica (46:46)

What's up guys? It is time for the leftovers. And boy, I got one for candy here. That's not going to be good. Good to hear. So we all like Reese's, right? For those of us that don't have peanut pieces. Reese's Pieces, Peanut butter cups.

Jonas Knox (47:01)

That. That was Patty's go to on the plane to super bowl. He was getting Reese's.

LaVar Arrington (47:05)

Reese's Cups are good.

Patrick Suica (47:07)

No way that you remember that.

Jonas Knox (47:08)

Yeah, he's going Reese's. Nice.

Patrick Suica (47:11)

I actually did. He's not lying.

Jonas Knox (47:13)

Everybody there, there and back.

Patrick Suica (47:16)

That said everybody that said here's a Reese's related things. So the grandson of inventor of Reese's peanut butter cups has lashed out at the Hershey company because he's accusing Hershey's of hurting the Reese's brand because they're going to cheaper ingredients and as I quote, cutting corners on Reese's. In fact, there is actually saying a report was that the company has replaced the milk chocolate with a. I guess a compound coating like. Like a chocolate candy. And it's not peanut butter.

LaVar Arrington (47:48)

It's.

Patrick Suica (47:49)

Excuse me, peanut creme cream. But C R E M ew. It's not real milk chocolate or real peanut butter.

LaVar Arrington (47:59)

So it's just not a real Reese's is what he's trying to say?

Patrick Suica (48:02)

Yes.

Jonas Knox (48:03)

All right, so now when did this start? They have a start date of when things change with the Reese's. And they got fake according to this report because. And here's. You know, I would argue this. I don't know how you feel about M M's. I think Reese's pieces are better than M M's. Absolutely, bro.

LaVar Arrington (48:20)

Not even close. What Reese's Pieces are it?

Jonas Knox (48:24)

Yeah, yeah.

Patrick Suica (48:25)

They're better than M M's.

Jonas Knox (48:26)

Yeah.

LaVar Arrington (48:27)

Not even close.

Jonas Knox (48:27)

Now Peanut M M's another story. Okay, fair Peanut M M's versus Reese's Pieces.

LaVar Arrington (48:32)

It's still not. No, I still don't mess.

Jonas Knox (48:34)

I'm with you, man.

LaVar Arrington (48:35)

There's something special and magical about like they come caught something. They broke the mold with Reese's piece.

Jonas Knox (48:40)

It was the only way they could lure E.T. out of that workshed.

LaVar Arrington (48:45)

E.T.

Jonas Knox (48:45)

phone home. Imagine that. Like E.T. looked like Johnny Manzel on one of his benders back in the day. And they lured him out of A workshed by. By drip. Dropping Reese's Pieces on the ground. That's how effective that candy is.

Patrick Suica (48:59)

Oh, my God.

LaVar Arrington (49:00)

It gets going.

Jonas Knox (49:00)

Yeah. All right, what do we got? What else we got, Patty?

Patrick Suica (49:05)

All right, so we're gonna actually go back to the. So we have an NFL related one here. It's not Reese's Pieces or candy related, but we actually have something Houston Texan related. So John McClain is a longtime beat reporter for the Houston Texans here. He's actually recently, in fact, two days ago, went on record to talk about CJ Stroud. He is adamant and confident that Stroud will not be traded from the Texans. In fact, he went on Twitter and I quote, if C.J. stroud is traded, I'll walk naked down Kirby Drive at rush hour. Is anyone else willing to do it if he's not traded? Didn't think so. End quote.

Jonas Knox (49:43)

Now, you mentioned something, Patty, during the break. Did he also make the same claim when desean Watson was.

Patrick Suica (49:51)

He didn't say he would run down naked with DeSean Watson, but he did. What was it? NFL fans actually pointed out that he was proven wrong before on desean Watson, he declared that he had a better chance of becoming a head coach of the Texans than the team trading at the time of desean Watson quarterback.

LaVar Arrington (50:08)

I don't see why not with that information. That was. That's a. That's a bold claim.

Jonas Knox (50:14)

Yeah, really bold. The CJ Stroud getting traded stuff. I. I get why this again. This is like the Max Crosby stuff. We open the show with, you know, it's all about that thread. You know, the off season, NFL stories, drafts coming up. This is when the rumors start to circulate. There's. CJ Stroud has shown you enough to where. Why would you move on from him?

LaVar Arrington (50:37)

You keep them. And we're done with this show, though. That's. That's what. That's what we are.

Jonas Knox (50:41)

We're out.

LaVar Arrington (50:42)

We're out of here, man.

Jonas Knox (50:44)

Tomorrow, though.

LaVar Arrington (50:45)

I'll see you tomorrow.

Jonas Knox (50:46)

Damn right.

LaVar Arrington (50:47)

I guess I'll see you tomorrow.

Jonas Knox (50:48)

We'll come back and on YouTube, I

LaVar Arrington (50:50)

mean, it was good. I looked really, really beefy and fat. But you look good at least. No, you look a little Dracula, though. A little pasty, but.

Jonas Knox (50:59)

Oh.

LaVar Arrington (51:00)

Oh, no.

Jonas Knox (51:00)

Black.

Podcast Narrator (51:03)

On June 11, 1998, a deputy from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department went missing.

Jonas Knox (51:09)

Hey, if they'll kill a cop and bury him, what are they gonna do to me?

Podcast Narrator (51:13)

What really happened to the missing deputy? Valley of Shadows, a new series from Pushkin Industries. About crime and corruption in California's high desert. Listen to Valley of shadows on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey everyone, it's Emily Simpson and Shane Simpson from the Legally Brunette podcast Podcast.

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Whether you want all the facts on the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie or you still need to wrap your head around the Diddy verdict, we're breaking it all down step by step.

Jonas Knox (51:51)

And we're not just lawyers. We're also husband and wife. It makes for some pretty entertaining episodes.

Podcast Narrator (51:57)

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