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this Thursday. It'll be busy. We'll talk some college football. Go to the SEC Media days and Chris Sims, NBC Pro Football Talk. He has his all time quarterback rankings and he put in parentheses in their prime. And number one was Peyton Manning, which. Okay. Number nine was Tom Brady, which I'm not okay with. So we'll talk to Chris. He'll join us coming up. 877-3-DP Show. Email address dpdanpatrick.com Twitter handle DP show say good morning if you're watching on Peacock. Thank you for downloading the app and good morning to our radio affiliates as well. Stat of the Day is always brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards of the Dan Patrick Show. I started the program by talking about the confusion of Sabrina Ionescu and Caitlin Clark not competing in the Three point contest. Not sure if they were asked and declined or not asked at all. And here is Sabrina Ionescu yesterday and she talked about not getting invited.
Sabrina Ionescu
I saw that yesterday. I guess you can't really, at least personally I can't decline an offer I never got officially invited to. So I was pretty surprised to see that. Never got, never got invited. And obviously that's, you know, whether it's against Steph Curry or, you know, in the W, I always go out and try and beat my record every single time I've gone out. So yeah, I mean, I just kind of wanted to set the record straight. Like that was just false. But I'm really excited for the participants in it and obviously there's going to be a new winner, so I'm excited to see who wins.
Dan Patrick
Okay, so we've been working on this all morning long because I want to be fair to the WNBA and normally they don't get back to us because this didn't make sense. Sabrina Ionescu is one of the great shooters. Went toe to toe with Steph Curry, a crossover star and she's the two time defending champ. So I thought, okay, you have to make sure she's invited. Now. She's not an All Star. I want you to keep that in mind. She's not on the All Star team. Caitlin Clark, I believe, I don't know this. I believe this, that she was invited and she declined. She's an All Star. Probably thinking, you know what, I don't have anything to gain or injuries or, you know, finally feeling good. I don't need to go out there and do this. I once again, I'm paraphrasing of what I think this could be. We talked to a source with knowledge of the WNBA All Star process and we were told Sabrina Ionescu was invited in the exact same way she had been in the past. This source was very, very clear. The WNBA reached out to Sabrina Ionescu or her representative and invited her in the same exact way they had in the past. That's what I don't understand the disconnect with this with Sabrina Ionescu saying, I wasn't officially invited. The officially invited stood out to me. I don't know what that means. And there are some agents who will say my client won't participate in some of the other events unless they're an All Star. And maybe that's a big part of this. Sabrina Ionescu is not an All Star. Maybe her representatives were like, well, she's not an All Star, so she's not going to be in the three point shooting contest, maybe she doesn't get that invitation or her representatives don't tell her. But for her to say I didn't get an official invite, this became a story because of that. Because if she said I'm not an All Star, I shouldn't be participating. Now, I don't know if all of these competitors in the three point shooting contest, not all of them are all stars, but if that's the case that her representative was saying or she has talked about, if I'm not going to be in the All Star game, I'm not going to be in the three point shooting contest. But once again, this source with knowledge of the WNBA all star process was extremely clear. We had a, we had a phone call, extremely clear that the invite was in the same exact process that she had been invited in the past. But this is where Sabrina's got to ask her people because there's a disconnect here. Now it's a thing. But do I think Caitlin Clark got invited and turned it down? Yes, I do. All right, poll question for the final hour. Let me know when Chris Sims is available. There. Todd. Dylan.
Dylan
Well, we've got some more snark from Todd. Caitlin Clark is a badass whiner, instigator, legend or victim.
Dan Patrick
Where did that come from?
Todd
I was just throwing out the gamut and the spectrum of what people may think about her. I don't have any specific, you know, feelings about one or the other, but I think if you had to pick one, I'd be fascinated to know what
Dan Patrick
people would think as opposed. Okay, run down the possibilities there, Dylan. I think she's probably been all of these at one point. So what do you have?
Dylan
We've got badass, whiner, instigator, legend or victim.
Dan Patrick
I would say probably all of them,
Todd
but primarily which one?
Dylan
Or all of the above.
Dan Patrick
I would say she's a badass. Like she, you know, she's got to learn to not have every call bother her. Like there are certain ones you have to laugh at people because they're going to do whatever they can do it. You don't have to sell everything. Just you, you gotta act like you're bigger and better than them, but they get to you. Now, she's been playing extremely well, but I, I wouldn't acknowledge it. Even last night. I'm watching. Okay, there's a reach in. They hit you. Okay, the call, foul. No big deal. And if you want to whisper to the ref, you don't have to be overly dramatic.
Marvin
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Dan Patrick
Oh, Chris Sims. Yeah, I think he hopes to instigate Pro Football Talk Live co host, and he has his unbuttoned podcast. I was watching the unbuttoned podcast last night, by the way. Doing a little, little homework there. And NBC college football analyst as well. Alrighty. You caught my attention here and a good portion of America football Fans, the top 10 quarterbacks of all time in their prime.
Chris Sims
Right.
Dan Patrick
Okay, where'd this come from? And what does in your prime mean?
Chris Sims
Well, I think we're like, okay, so we're, we're getting to the time of the year where, you know, we're trying to find some creative things to talk about. So NBC kind of comes to me, right? And they go, hey, and, and I got questions all the time. Well, I'd love to Hear your top 10 greatest quarterbacks of all time. So I did do a list prior to that. I hope you saw that where, yeah, I had Brady number one. And it was more about the career and the consist consistency and the longevity and the whole career itself. And of course, the accolades and the awards and all that. I'll take that all into account. But as I was doing that exercise, I text NBC and I went, you know, like, I think we got to do another list because I do think there's something to players in their prime. And there's certain guys where I'd go, yeah, this guy's career was better, but in their prime, in a six or seven, eight year window, I'd go, well, I'd take this other guy over him, even though the career in totality of somebody else was better. And so that's where I said, I think we need to do two lists. I think that's the only fair way to do it. And that's where we came up with in their prime. And that's where this list is from.
Dan Patrick
Okay. My issue with it is in your prime, I want to factor in the playoffs. And yeah, Peyton Manning would not be number one on that list.
Chris Sims
Right, okay. All right, so I have a defense of that first off, like Peyton Manning. One is played on some teams where they went 12 and 4, 11 and 5, 13 and 3. And I'd go, if it wasn't Peyton Manning playing quarterback. They were 10 and 6, 9 and 7 football teams and everything was predicated.
Dan Patrick
The Colts were loaded with talent, right.
Chris Sims
And they also went to Super Bowls where they were letting up, what, 200 yards a game rushing the football.
Dan Patrick
But look at that offense. He put up numbers. Look at the offense that he played with.
Chris Sims
I get it. I'm not going to hall of Fame
Dan Patrick
running back, hall of Fame wide receivers.
Chris Sims
I. I understand. Right. He had a lot there, and they went through him from the start, from day one, as compared to maybe somebody like Brady, where they went, hey, we'll play deep defense, will run the ball. If you just throw for 200 yards, we'll win the game. And don't.
Trip
It.
Chris Sims
Don't turn it over too much. And with Peyton Manning, it was, hey, if you don't throw for 354 touchdowns, we can't win the game. And that's, to me, where it's different. And I'll just tell you, like I said on my podcast my whole career, you know, again, I, you know, I think Tom Brady's the man.
Rebecca Nagle
And.
Chris Sims
And Tom Brady, in some ways is the most overrated guy and the most underrated guy in some ways, and I'll discuss that later. But when I was in Buildings in my prime, I just still tell you the building was way more on edge with Peyton Manning coming to town rather than, oh, it was just Tom Brady. It was a little bit more of like, hey, it's Bill Belichick. We got to deal with that. Yeah, we know Brady's there, too. That's going to be a handful. We got it. But, I mean, defensive coordinators and defenses, when Peyton Manning was coming to town, it was like they were shaking in their boots all week. And there was a difference there.
Dan Patrick
I understand that.
Tyler Redick
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Dan Patrick
But he. He's an average.
Chris Sims
You're taking team accolades a little too much. See, this is where I try to separate this. Brady was afforded in the ability. Ability to play really average in some playoff games and still go to the Super Bowl. I mean, he threw three interceptions in two different AFC championship games or championship games and went to a Super Bowl. He threw one touchdown and two interceptions against the Ravens and went to a Super Bowl. Right. He threw for 200 yards and two touchdowns and one interceptions against the Colts one year and went to the Super Bowl. So it wasn't based around him and where these other guys, I would go if they played like that on their football teams in their prime. No way.
Trip
Right.
Chris Sims
I mean, there's just no way those teams would have won. And that's where, you know, I try to balance this out. It's not an easy exercise, and I'm glad you're getting on me.
Dan Patrick
Okay. But Brady in his prime was his entire career.
Chris Sims
Yeah, well, that's where you can. You can certainly say 44.
Dan Patrick
He threw for 5,300 yards and 43 touchdowns.
Chris Sims
Totally amazing. Again, amazing. And he had great talent around him, just like you talked about. But Brady was afforded luxuries of the greatest pass protection of any quarterback of all time. That's not me. Those are. Any analytics site, you look at the most open receivers in the history of the game, the greatest defensive coordinator ever in the history of the game. They invented the slot receiver. I mean, he had, he had other things where I'd go, other people didn't have those luxuries to have that around them. Now he's the man, I get that. But in his prime, okay, let's just say his absolute prime, his physical peak prime, 2003-2010, 11, 12, whatever. Right. Of those years, maybe one year you go, he was the best quarterback in the NFL. All the other ones, it goes Peyton Manning, it goes Aaron Rodgers into the end of that prime there. And so that's where I argue that a little bit. But it's not an easy exercise and I challenge the conversation.
Dan Patrick
Yeah. And look, Aaron Rodgers is the quintessential unbelievable regular season, throwing touchdown passes and not throwing interceptions, totally getting to the playoffs. You know, I'm fine with him high on the list. I just think there has to be. It has to be weighted towards what did you do at the end of the year.
Chris Sims
Yeah, I understand that. But see, too much of that is a little too at times, like I'm saying, it's just team related. And these great quarterbacks, these phenoms, what I would call you, Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes, in their prime, first off the team and everything was based on them right away it was just like, whoa, we've never seen anything like you. So we're just going to play off of you. You carry the team. And it really wasn't like that for Brady until 2007 to where they kind of, kind of did that. So that's where I pushed back against it. And then two, I mean, come on. Aaron Rodgers, Yes. You know, they had some really good teams, but there was a number of years, early years when I used to come on with you and go, I mean they're, they're barely a playoff team. I mean, who's to really talk about. But we put them in a Super bowl window because he was that good. And that's where, you know, I try to balance that out, but it's not easy, like I said.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, well, you know, you had Peyton playing for a Hall of Fame coach, one of the brightest offensive minds in Tom Moore, he had a Hall of Fame wide receivers.
Chris Sims
And I hear you.
Dan Patrick
I mean Dallas Clark was a great tight end. You had Edwin James. He had Marshall Falk before that.
Chris Sims
No doubt. I hear there wasn't. He wasn't lacking of offensive talent. I understand that, I totally do. But also too, he was. Nobody was more of an offensive coordinator on the field. Nobody did more checks and audibles at the line of scrimmage and screwed over defenses in the history.
Dan Patrick
You don't think Tom Brady could have done that?
Chris Sims
No, I do, I do. Of course he was very good at that. I don't think he could have done it to Peyton Manning's extent. No, Peyton Manning special that way. That is a special, special human being. And the fact that yes we on Sundays he was an inevitable force that we were like, oh, here it is at 330. Oh, well, the Colts are down, but I bet you they're coming back and I bet you he's got 350 and he's about to throw a touchdown to win the game again. And they'd barely squeak it out. And we go the Colts, the Colts, the Colts. And yeah, they were, they were really good. I get that. But they were also predicated around.
Dan Patrick
And his talents didn't have any offensive weapons.
Chris Sims
I know Gronk, the greatest tight end.
Dan Patrick
GR was a second round draft pick with a boss back.
Chris Sims
The Moss, the greatest receiver ever. Welker, the greatest slot receiver ever. Edelman, the greatest slot.
Dan Patrick
And who made them, who made them the greatest slot receivers? Edelman was a quarterback. Wes Welker got kicked to the curb by the Dolphins.
Chris Sims
No, I would tell you that first off that they were. It was an incredible offense. They did so much and they were ahead of their curve as New England Patriots and evaluating that there was no such thing as a slot receiver until the New England Patriots started to go, hey, let's just not move anybody here and go, oh, he runs this route good. Let's make a true position for him there.
Dan Patrick
Nobody knew Julian Edelman was going to be good. Come on.
Chris Sims
Okay, okay. It doesn't matter. What's that? What's that mean? I mean, you know, Brandon Stokely was on the Colts. We didn't know he was going to be good either. And there he was running down the catching touchdowns everywhere.
Dan Patrick
So.
Chris Sims
So that I don't think that's necessarily a fair comparison. And like I talk about, I named a lot more, I think advantages for Brady. But then, you know, again, there's Mahomes, who I have number two. Mahomes is Incredible. I mean, what do you say about that?
Dan Patrick
I would take my homes over Peyton Manning.
Chris Sims
Wow. Okay. All right. That is a tough one. That was the one. That was. It was close.
Dan Patrick
And certainly if I factor in the playoffs, I'm taking Mahomes. Go for Peyton.
Chris Sims
Yeah, well, listen, I think Mahomes even too, with the Peyton thing. It's a great conversation. Mahomes has a chance to be the greatest quarterback on both. Both lists all time, really. I mean, he's still you in his prime, but dealing with this. But he was a phenom and again, he took over from day one. In his prime. And again, what I would say, even with the Peyton thing is, you know, hey, he. He got the luxury here, Mahomes, too, of winning some Super Bowls and being a part of a defensive football team. That's what they were for their last two super bowl wins. I mean, they could rely on Spags and those defense to hold people down. And then Mahomes was clutch in the fourth quarter and he'd come away and make you play football game.
Dan Patrick
Peyton, when he was with the Broncos, when the defense carried him to a Super bowl, you mean.
Chris Sims
Listen, I'm with you there.
Dylan
Yeah.
Chris Sims
Listen, I was. That was the start of my media career. I was literally the first one in that first super bowl ago. They're going to get their butts whooped against the Seahawks. And the second Super Bowl, I was going, I don't know if he's one of the top 20 quarterbacks in football. He might be the worst quarterback, so don't worry. I didn't forget about that. But he also did go to a Super bowl with four different coaches. Nobody's been able to do that. And that's pretty incredible. Yeah, we had Tony Dungy, but those three other ones, they weren't in the hall of Fame. And. And in some of those cases, yeah, in the playoffs, it was a letdown. But he also ran into some good teams. And, you know, I don't remember his defense ever making a big play in a big moment in any of those games to ever really help them out either. But we're down 216 against the Patriots.
Rick
Peyton.
Chris Sims
Oh, Peyton. Peyton. Bring us back. We gotta. You gotta do it. And so that's where I just give him a little more of a bump maybe than you do, obviously.
Heather Dennett
All right.
Dan Patrick
Yeah. Yeah.
Chris Sims
Manning, Dan Patrick doesn't like you, just so you know.
Dan Patrick
That's. That. There was a time when he didn't like me, but, you know, I don't have any problem.
Chris Sims
Well, that's how. That's how we roll, you and me. I mean, we talk a lot. We say some things so some people like us and some don't.
Dan Patrick
No, I told him. Did he think about taking less money with the Colts so they could ensure that they kept those players together? And I think it's four years where he didn't talk to me.
Chris Sims
Okay. All right, good. I mean, he can hold a grudge, too.
Rick
We would.
Dan Patrick
Yes, he would be up there. Yeah. He, he wasn't Jalen Brunson or Tom Brady. And taking less money.
Todd
Okay.
Dan Patrick
All right.
I didn't think we would be yelling at each other in July.
Chris Sims
I don't. We weren't yelling. We were having a good, I think, spirited conversation. You're passionate. I'm passionate and I know I'm not. I like, again, when I do these things, I don't sit here and go, oh, what I say is written in stone. You shall listen to me. This is, this is Sports Bar Talk. Except, you know, I feel like I have maybe a little more nuanced than nuance than your normal sports guy. I'm obsessed football, I'm obsessed with quarterbacks. And, you know, I have a pretty good feel for the history of the game. So that's where, you know, I, I love this kind of stuff.
Dan Patrick
But if you had gone to the dispensary, you wouldn't be this animated.
Chris Sims
No, you're right. I'd probably be a little more chill and I wouldn't have done anything. You know, Dan, you know you're a
Dan Patrick
little crazy unless you had sativa.
Chris Sims
Yeah, yeah, Right, right. I still would have been probably more subdued, even on Saptiva.
Dan Patrick
All right, Great to see. All right. Thank you, bud.
Chris Sims
You the man.
Dan Patrick
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for the mothership SEC Media Day. Has Lane Kiffin taken the podium yet? I'm gonna say he probably hadn't because there's no headlines. Figured he'd have something to say. 877-3-DP-SHoVE update the poll results. Dylan.
Dylan
Well, Dan, Caitlin Clark is a dot, dot, dot. I had to cut it down because there's only four slots.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, for the poll question.
Dylan
So he did badass, whiner, instigator, or all of the above? All of the above is narrowly edging out badass with 49.
Dan Patrick
Okay, all right, fair enough. So Lane Kiffin went on an hour and a half ago. Paul.
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Yeah. So nothing flamethrowish yet we've seen, but it's trickling in.
Dan Patrick
What the heck is going on with Lane Kiffin? Heather Dennett, ESPN College Football Insider, covering the SEC media days. No headline from Lane Kiffin yet.
Trip
Heather.
Dan Patrick
Oh, there's always a headline. We got him in our room and I asked him if he had any regrets about anything that happened last year in terms of how he handles his exit. The coaching staff. He looked at his sports information director
Heather Dennett
and he said, I'm going to be honest here. And he said yes. Yes, he did have regrets about how he handled things last year.
Dan Patrick
And you know what he told me, Dan?
Heather Dennett
Was that he tried to make both places happy, which is something that he realizes, in retrospect, that you couldn't do.
Dan Patrick
And I think it's also different today in college football with NIL and the transfer portal.
Heather Dennett
And you just automatically assume something nefarious
Dan Patrick
is going to take place when you
Heather Dennett
got the head coach at another school
Dan Patrick
inside your building every day, and it just didn't work. But the bottom line is that he and Pete Golding, the Ole Miss head coach, are. They're good. And I believe that 100%. And you know why I believe that? Because Pete Golding's living in Lane Kiffin's
Heather Dennett
house with all his furniture, and they're still good buddies. So it's lessons learned. Right.
Dan Patrick
Does Lane feel like a victim?
I don't think he feels.
Or a villain.
I think Lane is smart enough to
Heather Dennett
know that he has been portrayed as a villain. Certainly, I don't think he believes he is one. And quite honestly, having his players come through our room after him, I mean,
Dan Patrick
they love the guy. They are excited about this season. There's so much talent on this roster. Starting a quarterback, Sam Levitt, I mean, these guys are really good. There was no expense to bring guys in from the transfer portal. And everyone in that program, starting with Lane, believes they can win.
Right now we hear coaches say, oh, this is my dream job, and then they move on to another one. So I'm curious, in your opinion, how many dream destinations, like if you get there, you want to stay there. If I say Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, would you say those are dream job destinations that you would want to hold on to those as long as you can?
Absolutely.
Heather Dennett
I would.
Dan Patrick
I would add USC to that list. I would add Notre Dame to that list.
Heather Dennett
I mean, you know, and it depends
Dan Patrick
on who you are and who you are as a head coach, because you can have some of the guys have success there and then maybe want to go on to the NFL as the
Heather Dennett
next level, get tired of this stuff
Dan Patrick
and recruiting and everything. So I think it depends on the guy and the person. But you talk about those blue blood programs and Absolutely, you know, they're their. Their dream jobs. And I think this is one of those for Lane Kiffin. But, you know, Kiffin mentioned, you know, our buddy Paul Feinbaum dropped the stat that he's, I think, the only coach to have been a head coach at three SEC schools.
And he's not done yet, Heather.
Heather Dennett
Right. So it's dreamed out to dream job to dream job.
Dan Patrick
Greg Sankey did answer the question when he was asked about if they've thought about leaving the sec, but, like, how real I was surprised he answered it. He did take a shot at somebody leaking this in their meetings. I'd prefer it stayed in, you know, our meetings. But how likely is something like this that in the next five years we could see something like this happening?
You're talking about the NCAA and then
Heather Dennett
the talks of the breakaway. Yeah, yeah.
Dan Patrick
Well, listen, I did a quick walk and talk with Greg Sankey yesterday here,
Heather Dennett
and I asked him about it, and
Dan Patrick
he said that I was asked the question and in the moment I had to make a decision and was I
Heather Dennett
going to be honest?
Dan Patrick
And the answer is yes. And people have talked about it. And I know as a reporter that people have talked about it at the highest level because presidents and chancellors met in early March in Nashville to talk about what happens if we don't get federal legislation. That's the whole key to this. Sam, what do we do? What is plan B? Right. And when people talk about breaking away from the ncaa, what does that really mean? Well, at the sec, what it really means is creating your own rules. And Sankey will be the first person to tell you, we already make our own rules. You can't rush the field. We have eligibility rules, but our eligibility rules are based on the NCAA's Elabil. See, this is where it gets a little tricky. And if the NCAA can't enforce that, how can we enforce that in our own league? Right? And so then you go to Texas Tech and you see Sorsby, and the NCAA can't enforce the most basic rule out there because of the courts. You can' gamble and play in a game. Right. So the Big 12 files this federal lawsuit saying, we have our own rules, we have to be able to enforce them. And that's what this is most about. But the ideal scenario for the Big Ten in the SEC is to get this federal legislation through from Congress. But then I will be completely honest with every day that goes by, I
Heather Dennett
am less and less believing that that's actually going to happen.
Dan Patrick
The fallout from Indiana winning the national title, I'm old enough to remember Indiana, where they were always the team you would schedule for homecoming. They were. They were terrible. You win a national title now, I can't help but think boosters around America are going, if Indiana can do this. So I don't know what that's going to do to nil collectives where now you might pony up, you might get some sugar daddies that want it. This is basically owning your NFL team. You can't Own an NFL team. You can kind of own a college football team. And I wonder what the fallout's going to be.
Well, there's not a Cody Campbell at every single school. I mean, there's just not a billionaire sitting there waiting to give all the money to build a football roster. And also there's not a Kurt Signetti at every school. I mean, let's, let's be real here. We did a list of top 10 coaches in the country for ESPN.com Signetti's at the top of my list list. I mean, he brought in the staff, he brought in players from JMU. He didn't bring in 15 first round NFL draft picks. So you had a magic potion at Indiana. I went to school there.
Heather Dennett
By the way, I know how bad they were.
Dan Patrick
Right. And that's a magic formula that might not necessarily be replicated everywhere throughout the country. But yes, nil evens the playing field. That's why SEC coaches here are telling us that the ceiling has been lowered.
Rick
Word.
Dan Patrick
You are not going to see 2019 LSU again. You're not going to see these Georgia and Alabama team stockpile NFL talent like they used to. You are going to see the Indianas
Heather Dennett
of the world raise the floor.
Rick
Right?
Dan Patrick
That, that's the difference in college football right now.
Chris Sims
Okay?
Dan Patrick
That's. It's a drought for the sec three years, not even being in the national title game. Like if we get to 4, like what number is. Is panic panicville with the SEC?
Heather Dennett
Was it 1, 2? Are we past it? We might be past it.
Dan Patrick
I mean, and during that span.04 against the Big Ten in playoff games. Right? But I go back to what we were just talking about in the parody throughout college football. Like you're just not going to have the same. It's different Big Ten teams. It's not like Ohio State wanted three years in a row. Like, we're, we're talking about different teams. We're talking about the Indianas of the world. So, you know, I do think that these things are cyclical. And when you look at the SEC right now, I mean, Texas is my top team in the country. I think Georgia can win it. They're going to have one of the best defenses in the country. But you go beyond that. I mean, we might be talking about
Heather Dennett
LSU in the national championship game. I don't know.
Dan Patrick
We could be talking about Notre Dame and not the Big Ten or the sec. So throw a dart. Who knows?
I have suggested this the last couple of years and of course Andy Komen has not picked up the phone when I call him. The Real Housewives of the sec. Sec. I think it's gold. And it could be girlfriends, but it can be wives and girlfriends. The Real Housewives of the sec. What do you think?
You know, it's funny that you bring that up because we were just talking to LSU linebacker Whit Weeks about dating Lane K's daughter.
Heather Dennett
And I'm sure, like, there's. There's an episode in there.
Dan Patrick
So I. I think that could be very interesting.
But let's produce this up. You can host it if you want.
Heather Dennett
I don't know. I think there's enough drama in the SEC without bringing the Housewives.
Dan Patrick
Oh, no, it's.
Chris Sims
They're.
Dan Patrick
They're made for tv. That. That conference is made for tv. You know, Bravo should be. Oh, yeah, we could cash in. I could retire and host that.
Yeah, you know what? You know, we could retire if we
Heather Dennett
would just get fired in the SEC as a head coach, then we'd both
Dan Patrick
thank you for taking time. We appreciate it. Heather.
Heather Dennett
Thanks for having me on.
Dan Patrick
That's Heather Dennich, ESPN College Football Insider. SEC media days and then going to Chicago next week. I believe the Big Ten media days. SEC is just built different, you know, it just. It is a soap opera.
Marvin
Yes, Marv, it's so good. It's got a real WWE feel to it where, like, the build up the entire. All the way up to, like, WrestleMania. Yeah, that's what it is.
Dan Patrick
Rick in Tennessee. Hi, Rick. What do you have for me today?
Rick
Hey, guy. Great, Dan. Oh, by the way, 6ft, 185, 65 years old. Don't take any meds for anything. Work out real hard. Let me give you. Before I get into this, look up Google the Norwegian 4x4 workout. It is the gold standard. It is a killer.
Trip
Thank you.
Rick
I do that about twice a week. Give that a look sometime. That's great. Workout. Okay, just a quick comment on Lane Kiff Kiffin. Lane Kiffin doesn't really give a rip about making Ole Miss happy. Didn't really give a rip about making LSU happy. Lane Kiffin wants to make one person happy, and that one person is laying Kiffin. And he did a very good job of it.
Dan Patrick
Well, you're probably speaking from experience there in Tennessee, but every job, it's like, oh, this is my dream job. I hope that I don't hear a coach say that anymore because I don't know. Now, it's not always your decision. You're choosing to be able to stay at a program. But Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Texas. Georgia hasn't had turnover. Alabama had turnover with Saban. Ohio State has it. Michigan has. Texas been. I don't know how many years Sark's been there. Usc, Lincoln Riley's been there. But how long is he going to be there? LSU just getting their guy. Oregon had a little bit of turnover. Notre Dame not turnover that's been consistent. Texas A and M, Miami, Tennessee, Indiana, these are nil teams that'll be in the mix. Yes, Mark.
Marvin
I want to shoot some of the coaches some bail because maybe their dream was pretty vague. I want to be a coach at a big time college football program. Maybe not one specific job, but it
Dan Patrick
used to be at the introductory press conference. This is my dream job. I don't want. I can't see myself coaching anywhere. Anywhere else I'll go. All right. I'll check back in two years. Tripp in Vegas. Hi, Trip. What do you have for me today?
Trip
Hey, good morning, Dan. Always good to speak with y'.
Rick
All.
Trip
A few things about the wnba. They run around, they remind me like they're inherited money, like they've earned something. They want to tell you who to like and who they think you should like. But I will say this about the All Star Game, just so you know. Angel Reese will decline her three point shooting contest. And then they're gonna have. They're also bringing back the first year. They're going to have the slam dunk contest. It will not be with a ball and a goal. They'll just take turns throwing down Caitlin Clark. You'll have a good day.
Dan Patrick
Oh, look at Triple Trip Trip loading up there. Angel Reese, three point shooting contest. Funny, funny. Ah, I just don't know how somebody gets to that point in their career like Ben Simmons and somebody didn't help you with your shot. You're gonna go and play professionally. You're gonna go to college, then you're gonna play professionally. Hey, you know what? We should work on your shot. Not like, at what point did somebody go? He can't shoot. She can't shoot.
Marvin
Yes, Marv, there's a big difference between Ben Simmons and Andrew Reese because Andrew Reese was a post player. Kim Muli, she might have killed her if she shot a jumper.
Fox Sports Radio Announcer
Oh, yeah.
Marvin
No. Your job is to be down low in the paint.
Dan Patrick
But she doesn't even have touch. Okay? She has no feeling on the offensive side of the ball. None.
Marvin
I didn't. Oh, I didn't say she should.
Fox Sports Radio Announcer
No.
Dan Patrick
She get down on the blocks. But even down on the blocks, you have to have touch. She didn't have any touch enough to
Marvin
win a national title though.
Dan Patrick
Really? I don't think her touch helped them win the national title.
Marvin
No, she just got busy on the board. Very like Moses Malone.
Dan Patrick
Like, I know you're co opting my comparison here, here. Why do you. Why do you steal from me right in front of me?
Marvin
I thought this was a team.
Trip
It.
Chris Sims
It is.
Dan Patrick
Unless I say something and it should stand above everybody else.
Paul
You new here?
Dan Patrick
Yeah. What are you doing? What? Todd, how often.
Todd
If I rephrase what's already been said, what will you learn?
Chris Sims
Quite often.
Dan Patrick
Quite often. I'd been saying I'm going to have my son up there at. For my wedding speech. Paulie goes, you know what? I'm to just going thinking maybe you should have your son get up there and help you with your speech. I go, I've been saying this.
Paul
Yes, you said that like eight months ago.
Trip
And.
Paul
But you've talked about other plans, other options.
Fox Sports Radio Announcer
I was wondering if you.
Dan Patrick
No other option. I'm bringing my son up. He will help me. When I start to cry and there's no other option. That's it. That's all. That's. That's. That's it. What? Dylan, does he know he's doing that? Yes, I told you.
Trip
Him.
Dan Patrick
He's fine with it. He's not going to cry. He's like, his mom ain't crying and I'll just hand the mic to him. Once I start to blubber, I'll go take it. And then he'll be very calm and he'll say nice things, hopefully about his sister. How about we stop right now? We take a break. Last call for phone calls. What we learn what's in store tomorrow. Right after this,
Todd
foreign
Dan Patrick
results of the poll question. What we learn what's in store tomorrow. All of that forthcoming. Steven, New Hampshire. Hi, Steve. What do you have for me today?
Rick
Hey, guys. First off, I apologize for saying Phil Sims yesterday when bringing up this whole quarterbacks in their prime thing. Thank you, Paulie, for correcting me. I love the interview with Chris Sims. I did have one stat for you. You. In Tom Brady's 23 seasons playing in the NFL, he never took a snap when he was mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.
Dan Patrick
Yeah. Stat of the day. Stat of the day. Of the day. Stat of the day. Here comes that.
Fox Sports Radio Announcer
What?
Dan Patrick
Stat of the day, brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the Dan Patrick show Gamble Podcast. Podcast. We'll tape that coming up after this show at the top of the hour. Be available on the website GanPatrick.com we started the final hour of the program. We got in touch with the source who is involved in the WNBA All Star process. The source was adamant that the WNBA did reach out in the same way to Sabrina Ionescu as they have in the past for the invitation for the three point shooting contest. The source was extremely. Now I was on the call, Paul was on the call, Fritzi. I wanted to make sure we had a couple of people listening. So we got it right and wanted to make sure we were doing our due diligence to find out exactly what happened. Sabrina Ionescu said that she did not get an official invite. The key word is official invitation invite. But we did reach out to her and her agent just to see why she would say she didn't get an official invite. She's not an all star. Sometimes players don't want to be involved in the other contest. And this might been. This might have been the case. But from what our source told us this morning, the WNBA reached out in the same way they had in previous years for Sabrina Ionescu to be in the three point shooting contest. How about this day in sports history? Paul.
Paul
Dan, I just have one for you. This sports history, but I got a bonus thing. 2000, Lance Armstrong won his second Tour de France. But I have some breaking movie news. I think everyone in the room would like to hear about this. Days of Thunder 2 is an early production, according to the Hollywood Reporter. Tom Cruise, of course, will be in it.
Dan Patrick
Yep, I saw that yesterday. A little blurb there that they were talking about a reboot, but I don't know if what role Tom is going to play in that. I think I'd rather have Talladega Knights do a sequel than Days of Thunder. Yes, Marvin.
Marvin
Should I see Days of Thunder one?
Dan Patrick
Yeah, yeah. I mean, Nicole Kidman's spectacular looking Robert Duvall is in it. The late Robert Duvall. The biggest problem I had is Tom Cruise would go from last to first in like one lap. And I go, come on, you know, give me a couple of laps here. Yes, Paul.
Paul
He would also drop the gear down to like, that final gear he was saving for the last race. I do have the script in my head if you want it.
Dan Patrick
Oh, you think you already know what the script's going to be for this one.
Paul
Tom Cruise will be the team owner. Cole Trickle, the team owner, he hires this new hotshot driver who does really well and then turns out coat on him. And Tom Cruise had to get back in the race car and race and take him down at Daytona. And scene.
Dan Patrick
Oh, that's your movie. Okay, who is his love interest? Oh, yeah. Now, he used to date Anna de Armas. I think he dated her. Oh, my goodness.
Paul
Seriously?
Dan Patrick
Yeah. Yes. That is the solar eclipse. I don't know if you could put her in they used to date. Yes, Todd.
Todd
What about Emily Blunt? He's been making cameos in those other movies.
Dan Patrick
All right, Todd, let's see. Lou Gehrig hit the first of his 23 career Grand Slams on this date in 1923. Final results of the poll question. Dan.
Dylan
Dylan, Caitlin Clark is a badass whiner, instigator, or all of the above, Todd? All of the above. 48%.
Todd
Yeah.
Dan Patrick
She's a fascinating player. Just watching last night, she was like five of her first six. And these are. These are bombs that she's shooting out there. And. And they're contested. She rarely gets a standalone jump shot. And if it is, it's because somebody fell down or, you know, ran into a pick. Let's see if we learned anything. Todd, you learned anything today? I did.
Todd
Matt Damon, who got ripped, jacked, and yolked for his role in the Odyssey, has worked with all the big time directors. Very impressive.
Dan Patrick
Dylan.
Dylan
We may be getting another Bourne movie.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, I hope so. God, I don't care which one of the three that he's in. Wherever it is in the movie, I'm watching it. If I stumble upon it like you got me, I'm watching more.
Todd
Marvin.
Marvin
Kim Kardashian was married for 72 days.
Dan Patrick
Yes.
Paul
Now, Paul, Matt Damon thanked Marvin for supporting him.
Dan Patrick
That's true.
Rebecca Nagle
Yeah.
Dan Patrick
You had him at 315 for bench press. Todd. What did I learn?
Todd
By the way, could you call it Reborn? Anyway, Chris Sims tried to defend why he ranked Tom Brady ninth among the best quarterbacks in their.
Dan Patrick
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Date: July 23, 2026
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This episode dives into recent controversies in the WNBA All-Star events, Chris Simms’ provocative “all-time quarterbacks in their prime” ranking (with Tom Brady at #9), and college football’s evolving landscape—especially Lane Kiffin’s SEC trajectory, NIL fallout, and the possibility of power conferences breaking away from the NCAA.
Dan Patrick opens by revisiting confusion over WNBA stars Sabrina Ionescu and Caitlin Clark not appearing in the three-point contest.
Chris Simms joins to defend ranking Tom Brady #9 “in their prime” and placing Peyton Manning at #1.
Dan brings in ESPN’s Heather Dennich to decode Lane Kiffin’s lack of headlines and discuss SEC/college football big issues.
| Segment | Timestamp | |---------------------------------------------|---------------| | Sabrina Ionescu on 3-Point Invite | 03:02 | | Dan’s breakdown of WNBA invite controversy | 03:40–06:48 | | Caitlin Clark poll question discussion | 06:48–07:35 | | Chris Simms joins, QB list rationale | 08:49–09:57 | | Simms vs. Dan on Manning/Brady | 10:07–14:47 | | Mahomes comparison; supporting cast debate | 14:47–17:15 | | Spirited wrap-up with Simms | 19:01–20:03 | | SEC/Lane Kiffin/Heather Dennich | 25:17–32:58 | | Dream job/Coach stability discussion | 36:16–37:15 |
“This is Sports Bar Talk... but maybe with a little more nuance.” — Chris Simms ([20:03])