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Dan Patrick
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Seaton
Let me update you here. Who looks more super bowlish. Chargers have about 67% of that vote. 2.0AFC team that won't make the playoffs. Your options there. Bills, Chargers, Bengals, Colts. Bengals have 77% of the money.
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Dan Patrick
All right. So they're buying into my Colts here. All right. I like it. Danny, second place there. Danny Dimes. Whether not in last though. Yes.
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Paulie
Paul, your Colts had the highest scoring margin in the NFL, outscoring their opponents so far.
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Dan Patrick
You sound surprised.
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Paulie
I think America's surprised.
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Dan Patrick
I'm not America. I just try to entertain America and So does Dean Blandino. Segue, Fox Sports NFL college football rules analyst, former NFL VP of officiating Watching the game. Next thing I know, Dean Blandino's says he's done with the tush push, can't officiate. And I go, dean, your microphone is on. What was, what was the reaction? Why did you have that reaction in the moment?
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Dean Blandino
That was a, a visceral reaction. Look, we, we, we had the game, obviously, Chiefs, Eagles, big Super bowl rematch. And you know, we had a couple of the Eagles. Look, the, the play, they run it better than, than anyone else and they work at it and it's impressive what they do. But just in that game, we had a couple, two, two goal to go plays. Third down, looks like Hertz is in. They rule them short. It's really tough to review. Can't see the football. All these bodies. Next play, fourth and goal. They rule. Touchdown. You've got both guards moving early. Should have been a false start. Then later in the game, another big first down conversion and you've got the guard moving early. So it just got to the point for me where I've never been on record. I don't love the play. It was illegal to push runners forever. You know, since the inception of the league until 2005, we took it out and in hindsight, I think that was a mistake. And now we're, we're stuck with this play. That, that is a really difficult play to officiate. It just is. And personally, it's not a, I just don't think it's a great play to watch.
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Dan Patrick
But you can officiate this by calling the guards, you know, offsides. Why don't we start with that?
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Dean Blandino
No question. Look, look, those are, those should have been called that. That' not condoning and making an excuse for that. That was, that should have been called. But I think once you take that out of the mix, it's just with all those bodies and trying to get the spot and we're trying to be perfect on these spots and now we have virtual measurements. It's just a tough play. My thing is, it's just not a, it's, it's not. When you think about the rules, it's just not a fair play. The defense can't push the runner back and gain an advantage. There's always forward progress, but we let the, the offense do it. And, and look, I was watching the highlights of the Cowboys Giants game in the fourth quarter. That's everything the NFL is. You've got. You know, Russ Wilson is, is To Malik, Neighbors and Dak leading. And then in the history of the Tush push, not once have I ever seen it on Sports Center's top 10 plays. I just haven't.
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Dan Patrick
It's just I don't know how these officials spot the ball in, in. In that scrum. I really don't. Now, you have the overhead shot, but those, the officials, they can't rely on that overhead camera shot, can they just spot the ball after the fact?
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Dean Blandino
In review, yes, but. But you've got two officials that are down the line looking at it, and they're, they're going to, they're going to come in as the play, you know, as the, as the pile kind of starts and try to get a look at the football and quite frankly, look at the goal line mechanically. And this has been the deal forever. If they don't see the football, they're not going to rule on it. They're going to go in, dig in the pile, and if the ball is over the goal line at that point, that's a touchdown. And so that ball may have been short, but eventually it worked its way after the runner was on the ground over the goal line. So again, it's a tough play that, that's been, look, short yardage plays are tough sneaks, those types of things, but I think this play just kind of adds another layer to it.
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Dan Patrick
But, Dean, I am shocked that the officials didn't convey this to the owners to say, we are having a hard time officiating. This. This is no bias against anybody. This is, we're trying to do our job and we can't do our job. Given the context of this play, I don't know if that's enough of an out for the NFL. And these owners, this next go around, they. It's not a pretty play. We know that. If I can't spot the ball and do my job, then that factors in something else. They keep trying to say health. There's no data yet of injuries there. You can't say, hey, somebody's going to get hurt, which they probably will. But you got to say, hey, guys, aesthetically it's not pleasing and we can't do our job. Is that enough to have them get rid of this play?
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Dean Blandino
It should be. When you think about, like I said, it's, it's, it's not, we think offense, defense, balance, it's not a fair play when you do have the difficulty in officiating. And that's, that's when you look at rules, changes, you look at player safety, you look at competitive equity and you look at officiating consistency and if you can't have consistently officiate this, it's a problem. I think everybody, look, they, they were two votes short of getting it out. I think everybody had, each club had its own reasons. I do believe because the Eagles won the super bowl there were some teams that didn't want to come across as we can't stop this play. We're going to take the easy route and we're going to vote it out. I think if they don't win the super bowl and we still have issues with this play, there's probably a better chance that it goes away.
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Dan Patrick
Talking to Dean Blandino, he used to be the head of officials for the NFL. He doesn't need that headache anymore. Fox Sports NFL College Football Rules ANALYST Even the neutral zone like there, it seems like there's, there's an infraction on every one of these tush pushes and I don't. The Eagles would still be successful. They, they would. With Jalen Hurts. You don't need somebody pushing from behind. You can still call it a quarterback sneak. I just can't have somebody pushing from behind. That just seems you want to think about an injury. You could have an injury with your quarterback being pushed from behind, jamming his, you know, head in there. But no question.
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Dean Blandino
And look, and I agree with you and I was talking to somebody yesterday at one of the clubs and, and I think the Eagles would be successful on QB sneaks. QB sneaks, you know that's a high percentage play when it's third and one, fourth and one. So they would successful and that's why I don't think this needs. It was illegal forever. I don't know why we need to keep this push. We don't let the defense do it. Why are we letting the offense do it?
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Dan Patrick
Point of emphasis with taunting this year. How did this come about?
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Dean Blandino
I think the league, the data that they presented in the off season and how they quantify this, I don't know but they said okay. They said, they said taunting was up like 50%. Violent gestures, sexually suggestive, those types of things that are in bad taste were up over. I mean it was like 130%, whatever the number was. So they've obviously looked at film and they felt okay, identified these actions and they want to emphasize it because it does. Look, sportsmanship is important. It's something, you know, it has that trickle down effect. Kids are watching those types of things and you saw it. I mean there was a big play in that, in that Dallas Giants game where you had three fouls on the Giants, three fouls, and CD Lamb gets up and gets a taunt and it all offsets. So it's a big penalty. And this is going to be a major deal. You know, as long as this emphasis.
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Dan Patrick
Is in place and protecting quarterbacks. Is anything changed?
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Dean Blandino
Nothing's changed. I think we've gone, again, player safety, health and safety is the top priority. I think we've gone a little too far with some of these hits. I think the quarterback position, obviously, it's. You're in a defenseless posture when you're in that passing posture and you're in. Your focus is downfield. So, yeah, the head, head, neck area, those types of things. The late hits, I do think we've, you know, we see some of these hits where it's just a defensive player, especially a big defensive lineman, fighting through blocks and making a tackle and just happens to land the wrong way and it's 15 yards. I think that's tough. But that's not going away. That you listed all these injuries that we have in this league, right? We. We need the Joe Burrows, we need the Jaden Daniels, and so they're going to protect that position.
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Dan Patrick
What about listening in on replay? We've seen this with the acc, I've been saying for years, I think with gambling, with total transparency, and I don't know if that's enough, that the NFL or the officials are going to say, yeah, come on in, listen. But, boy, it'd be entertaining. What do you think?
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Dean Blandino
Would definitely be entertaining? Because I've been involved in a lot of discussions where if that went out publicly, people would definitely, definitely, you know, get a chuckle out of. Look, I think.
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Dan Patrick
Give me, can you give me a for instance, though, without names?
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Dean Blandino
No, I'll. I'll. I. Look, I was involved in a very controversial play. You might have heard of it, the DEZ Bryant play, you know, Packers, Cowboys.
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Dan Patrick
Should have been a touchdown, by the way.
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Dean Blandino
Yeah, there you go.
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Dan Patrick
So.
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Dean Blandino
So the play happens. The. That we see it happen. I'm watching, you know, Mike McCarthy, who's coaching the packers at the time, and in my head I'm going, he's going to throw the challenge flag. He's going to throw the challenge. And as soon as it came out, I said to the room, get ready, the shit is about to hit the fan. Because I knew it was going to be controversial either way. Right. So those conversations, I think it's two sides. I think transparency is so important, like you said, because if you can just listen in, it eliminates any of the conspiracy. Right now it might be like, wow, those guys don't know what they're doing. You know, Might go from conspiracy to incompetence. You don't want that.
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Dan Patrick
But.
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Dean Blandino
But it definitely would eliminate some of that. Some of that. Hey, what. What are they doing? We. We just don't get it.
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Dan Patrick
If you had it, I'll give you a do over with DEZ Bryant under the current rule.
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Dean Blandino
No, that was the. That was the rule. That was an easy one. That, that Today, Today it's a catch. And I get it. I understand why people would have thought that that was a catch. That was a layup.
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Paulie
Dan, come on.
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Dan Patrick
Stupid rule, right?
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Dean Blandino
Well, it was a. I think the catch rule. I think the problem we ran into is that forever before replay, the catch rule was written so the on field officials could make that call in real time.
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Caller
Right.
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Dean Blandino
They can't slow it up. They can't. So. So that was the rule. And that's why, you know, hold on to it when you hit the ground was a thing. But now we have replay. It changes how we can look at these things.
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Dan Patrick
Are officials allowed to be out of shape?
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Dean Blandino
There shouldn't be. That's. That's.
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Dan Patrick
I mean, it feels like there's a workout program here that like the Ed hockey program.
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Dean Blandino
Definitely. It has been. And I think we just know more. Look, when I first started at the league office, and I don't know if I've ever told you this, but 95, my first officiating clinic, the physical test that they had to pass to, to to be an official at that clinic was walk a mile. Not even time. Not even time. Just not die.
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Dan Patrick
And.
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Dean Blandino
And now it's much, much more stringent.
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Dan Patrick
Do you have a combine for officials?
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Dean Blandino
They do. They do. They have a. They have a group that comes in and. And, you know, strength and conditioning and works with them and, and, and, you know, and Ed. I think Ed might actually do like his own combine, where it's just, it's just arms, you know, it's just, just arm day every day.
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Dan Patrick
It was great to talk to you. Thank you. All right, that's Dean Blandino, Fox Sports NFL college football rules analyst, former VP of officiating. All right, guys, we gotta walk a mile. You don't have to run. Not gonna be timed. Just make sure you finish up and don't die. All right? You can be an NFL official. You're in shape. That's good stuff from him. Good stuff. Rick in Florida. Hi, Rick. What's on your mind today?
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Caller
So when I saw that snippet about Kurt Warner and how their Patriots intentionally were defending him, I believe similar coaching is going on the NFL, especially with pass interference. The offense has so much edge and I think they're coaching the defensive backs. Hold that arm, wrap that arm around and make them make the call. Because I see so much illegal contact after the 5 yards and pass interference and I've been watching football 65 years. I believe they need to go back to have the coaches replay, have a few selections if they can replay a penalty that is not called. And the second point, Dan, I think the count to that is why aren't the other teams doing what the Eagles are doing? Is it just because the Eagles happen to have Jalen Hurts who Can bench press 600 pounds?
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Dan Patrick
No, he can squat 600 pounds. And they have a great offensive line and they have a quarterback who is stronger than any other quarterback with his legs. I'd love to see him and Saquon Barkley have a squat off or deadlift because they would probably, that'd be a pretty good showdown there. They would still be successful if you, you don't need to have somebody behind Jalen Hurts. I don't, I don't know if this is around next year, but you know what? Dean brought up a very good point. They won the Super Bowl. It doesn't, you don't want to seem like sour grapes. We couldn't stop them. They won a Super Bowl. And if the Eagles don't win a Super bowl this year, maybe that would open the door to get rid of the tush push. When we come back, we pay tribute to Robert Redford, who passed away at the age of 89. Great actor, great director as well. More of your phone calls as well, and a QB question for the room. We'll take a break. We're back after this Dan Patrick Show. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
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John Middelkoff
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John Middelkoff
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Dan Patrick
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Paulie
Imagine having that as your main problem in life, being too good looking.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah.
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Paulie
Because there was a point where he was the one seed for good looking guys in America.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah.
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Paulie
I mean, a long run.
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Dan Patrick
And then you put him with Paul Newman and they were in a couple movies. Butch Cassidy and certainly the Sting. I love the Sting. It's still great. All the President's Men. He also directed Ordinary People, River Runs through it as well. At 89 years of age. Pretty good. Pretty good. He. He went to play baseball at Colorado and his mom died. I think she was around 40 when he was going to go play baseball. Started drinking, got kicked out of school, lost his scholarship. And then he kind of had to start figuring out what he was going to do for his career and ended up taking theater lessons in New York City. And I love that he bought a piece of property, 2 acres of land for $500, built a cabin in Utah in 1961. And that's where he kind of started his love affair with that state. But Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid and this thing and, and Redford said that he really owed Paul Newman because he helped him get the role in Butch Cassidy and Sundance Kid. They. That and the sting too. In 1973, won the Academy Award for best Picture. He was also in the way we Were. Barbra Streisand, the Great Gatsby and Dustin Hoffman and All the President's Men, which was about Watergate. Yes, Paulie.
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Paulie
And the great sports movie the Natural came out in 1984 and it was a very controversial decision at the time. He played both himself as the older Roy Hobbs, but he played himself at 18 years old in the movie, which is very.
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Dan Patrick
In.
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Paulie
Glenn Close did as well. They're twice that age. More than twice that age. So the earlier scenes of the movie.
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Dan Patrick
How old was he when he filmed the natural? Yeah, 40.
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Paulie
He died at 89. He would have been about 45 years old when he filmed the Natural. And he's playing himself as a senior in high school.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, I wasn't big on that movie, but I understand why people. Robert Duvall, to me, was great in that movie as the sports writer, the columnist, but Glenn Close. All right, but who was the the cocoon. The manager, Wilford Brimley. Wilford Brimley for Quaker Oats.
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Paulie
He was like 31.
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Dan Patrick
He looked the same. He. He always looked old. Always. But Robert Referee, dead at the age of 89. I'll sign up for that right now. Yes.
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Todd
Todd, why do you think guys in their 40s looked like they were 70 back then? Like Carol O', Connor, Archie. But you can name if you go back to all.
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Dan Patrick
Robert Redford didn't look 70 when he.
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Todd
Was 40, but almost everyone else was like 40 going on 73. For some reason.
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Dan Patrick
Paul Newman didn't look 70 at 40 in the 70s.
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Paulie
It was before, like gyms and workouts and feeling good about yourself.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, we didn't care what we looked like back then.
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Paulie
You grew old like a man.
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Dan Patrick
We were a man. We're a man's man. Yes, Marvin.
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I
Maybe it might be generational, but first Robert Redford movie I think of is An Indecent Proposal.
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Dan Patrick
Oh, him. Demi.
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I
Woody Harrelson.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, he didn't look good. And I mean, he didn't come across well in that movie, but he was.
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I
An older, Davenaire, handsome guy.
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Dan Patrick
Creepy to you. Yeah. And then he's saying, yeah, I'll give you a million dollars if I can sleep with your wife. To Woody Harrelson.
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Paulie
When you're a billionaire and you're creepy, you're eccentric, a different word. That's a great movie, though.
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Dan Patrick
And to me.
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Paulie
More.
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Dan Patrick
I felt bad for Woody Harrelson. Woodrow should have held on better.
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Paulie
You don't loan out your.
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Dan Patrick
No, they wanted the money. They needed the money.
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Paulie
You don't loan out to me. More. That's a lesson. That should have been the name of the movie.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah. It was prime to me. More. Yeah. No. Alrighty.
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Paulie
When Robert Redford's the second hottest person in the movie, you know, it's good.
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Dan Patrick
Let's see. How about a couple of phone calls? George in Texas. Hi, George. Nobody. Nobody wraps up, you know, a movie career quite like we do. Nobody eulogizes quite like we do here. Sorry about that, Robert. Hey, George, what's on your mind today?
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Caller
Hey. Well, represent looked like he was 40 when he was 70. So anyway. But I've got a take on the push. Push. You call it a scrum because it is. It's a rugby play. So what they should do is just go on first count and that way everybody goes at the same time.
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Dan Patrick
Well, they. You know, Dean Blandino said they missed two calls on that. The offensive line, the two guards, they move before anybody else does. You got to call that like that has nothing to do with this is really hard to officiate this play. Officiate and off sides or there's motion here. That's all. Now, trying to spot the ball, I understand that. Just take away the blocker, take, just take away the guy who's doing the pushing. That's all. Now, that doesn't make it easier to be able to call this and officiate this because it's still going to look like a scrum. It's still my line, your line, and I'm going to run and do a quarterback sneak. Now you're going to try to find where the spot is. It'll still be difficult, but the Eagles will still be successful. But I thought Dean Blandino said something that will stand out. And I'll, I'll can keep this in my mind. In the off season, if the Eagles hadn't won the super bowl, maybe these owners would have voted to get rid of it. But now it looks like sour grapes.
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I
Yes, Marv, I think if they do take away the tush push, the rallying cry for the Eagles will be, see, they don't want us to win. They hate us because they ain't us. And then it's going to give them a nice little boost going into the next season. It's going to be a jealousy thing if you're Eagles player or Eagles fan.
- [31:33]
Dan Patrick
And that's what I would be saying. That's the rallying cry. If I'm Nick Sirianni, I'd be like, hey, you know, you're, you're ostracizing us. You're, you're, you're singling us out here. We just do it better than everybody else. Everybody else can do this. We do it better than anybody else. Ron in Portland. Hi, Ron. Good morning.
- [31:53]
Caller
Hey, Dan. First time, long time. Six. One and a half, 217. Hey, I've been a Miami Dolphin fan since 1970, and like Darius, the Dolphins are making me cry. And you did such a good job getting Brent Musburger in the hall of Fame. And I'd like to get a rally cry going for John Gruden to the Dolphins.
- [32:25]
Dan Patrick
Okay, Jon Gruden, I think, will coach next year somewhere. And I was listening to Gary Danielson yesterday, longtime college analyst. He was on with Mad Dog Russo. And Gary said, what about John Gruden to ucla? I don't know if there is a downside to it, but if John's coming in, then all of a sudden you're going to be. He's expecting to be a football school. He's not coming in to be the like Kentucky football, it used to be to Kentucky basketball. He's coming in. He would be coming in to win. But I think that John now I don't know if he gets back into the NFL and I don't know if he wants coach college, but I think Jon Gruden will be coaching again. It just feels like there's a groundswell there. But if you had Gruden, he's got energy and he's got a chip on his shoulder and he'd be ready to go. Have him in Los Angeles, that could be fun. Keith and Chico. Hi Keith. Welcome back. Hey guys.
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Caller
Good morning.
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Dan Patrick
Good morning.
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Caller
56170. I had a couple random quarterback questions for you guys. First question, do you think the 2018 quarterback draft class is the best of all time? I mean you have Baker, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Lamar, and you can't forget Josh Rosen. And my other question is, as of now, would you rather have Bryce Young or Caleb Williams as your quarterback of the future after the Bears and Panthers make that trade? Someone's got to be considered the winner, right? Thanks.
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Dan Patrick
I would think so. I would go back to the 84 draft. If I was talking about quarterbacks, I'd say that that one was, that was pretty good. Pretty good. I would take Caleb Williams over Bryce Young. I like Bryce Young personally. We, when we met him in New Orleans, I mean, you can't help but like him. He's just slight. He doesn't seem to be as athletic as Caleb, but I guess Caleb, I expect Caleb to be great. I'm not expecting Bryce Young to be great. I'm expecting him to be good. But Caleb, I think the expectation level is a whole lot higher. You can have any 30 year old quarterback as your quarterback for this season and next season. At least 30 years of age. You got to have him for two years. Now I'm going to run down the list you can have. I got nine quarterbacks. Aaron Rodgers 41. Joe Flacco 40, Kirk D. Cousins, 37. Matthew Stafford 37, Russell Wilson Jr. The third, 36. Gino 34. Dak Prescott 32, Baker Mayfield 30, Jared Goff, 30. You can have any of those quarterbacks, but you got to take them for this year and next year. I think it comes down to maybe two quarterbacks here and that's the guys who were 30, Baker Mayfield and Jared Goff. Dak Prescott at 32, Gino 34. No, I don't. It's Baker Mayfield Or Jared Goff. I don't think there's anybody else that be in the mix. I mean, maybe, you know, if you like Dak Prescott, he's just injury prone. He's 32. Baker and Jared Goff, I think that would be. It's only those two guys. Yeah. Seaton.
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Seaton
Yeah.
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Caller
I'm.
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Seaton
I'm thinking Jared Goff there, too. Just because he's made it to the Super Bowl.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah.
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Seaton
And there's like, to me, I put a lot of value in that, and he knows what it takes to get there.
- [36:16]
Dan Patrick
That anybody have anybody else on that list? Yes, Paul.
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Paulie
I think if the. My talent was the same on my team, which is the question, I would go Baker. Just a touch clutchness over Jared Goff.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, it's only those two, because none of those other quarterbacks do I want for two years. Yes, Marvin.
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I
I'm going Baker. Maybe recency bias, but I think he's just been playing a lot better lately, so I'm gonna go Baker.
- [36:38]
Dan Patrick
All right, let's see Joe in Colorado Springs. Hi, Joe.
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Caller
Hey, Dan. Thanks for having me on again. I was the one that called in on Friday, made the bet with Fritz you to the pie. The face. So I just wanted to say good on him for taking that pie. I was ready to hold up my end. My wife's a Broncos fan, so she was more than willing to administer the pie. Had the Colts lost, thankfully, they didn't. So good on you, Fritzi. Dan. Love the show. Go Colts.
- [37:10]
Dan Patrick
All right. Thank you, Joe. Yeah, I saw that the back room guys. Dylan went out and did some shopping during the show. I look in the bag, and it's like five containers of whipped cream, and there's pie filling and there's crust in there. Seems like a little excessive, but there it is. If you're watching on Peacock, the. The bag is there with all lovely. Yeah. They're going to whip up the pie. Who do you want to hit you in the face with the pie?
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Todd
I'm going to go Dylan, actually.
- [37:41]
Dan Patrick
Oh, you want Dylan?
- [37:42]
Todd
I think you know what bill parcels about. If you want to make the groceries and you go, you could pick out the groceries.
- [37:47]
Dan Patrick
Okay, well, then Dylan will hit you. I don't know if. Are you quoting him exactly?
- [37:53]
Todd
I'm definitely not.
- [37:56]
Dan Patrick
Something about picking out the groceries. Yeah. Like, if I gotta.
- [37:58]
Todd
If I gotta play the guys, you know, that you're giving me. Let me, you know, have some say and picking them out now.
- [38:03]
Dan Patrick
Let's go get them guys. Yeah.
- [38:05]
Todd
If I'm gonna cook the meal, let Me pick out the groceries. He said something.
- [38:07]
Dan Patrick
Is that what it is? Pretty much. All right. Andrew in Texas. Hi, Andrew. What's on your mind?
- [38:13]
Caller
Dpa, thank you for having me on. Long time listener, first time caller. Just wanted to say I agree with you on the Tom Brady situation, and I don't fault any team for wanting to limit him or exclude him from those meetings. And. But also on the other side of it, didn't look like it helped a whole lot because the quarterback situation on the Raiders are pretty weak right now.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, but that's not the point. The point is that does Tom have access? Will he have access? And how does the use that access? But yeah, you're right. Last night, Tom helping Chip Kelly call plays for Geno Smith. Didn't go well. Let's see. Dane in Texas. Hi, Dane. What's on your mind today?
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Caller
Hey, good morning, Dan. How are you?
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Dan Patrick
Great. Great day. Great day.
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Caller
Well, first I. First I like to say Felice DS September to all your fans in Mexico.
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Dan Patrick
Okay.
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Caller
I'd like to thank you for that interview with Gary Myers. I can't wait to get my hands on that book. The first you had a caller that was talking about greatest resurgence and he cited Baker Mayfield. I think I got one. And I think you'll agree. I think it was Jim Plunkett. I mean, I remember he had a rookie of the year for the Boston Patriots.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah.
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Caller
And then he went downhill. There was injuries. They traded him to San Francisco. Then he comes back and gets two Super Bowl.
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Dan Patrick
Super Bowls. Yeah. That's great. Great call. Dane. He. I remember, I think his receiver was Randy Vata who played with Plunket at Stanford. Said, Jim, Jim went to a bad team. And was Randy Vataha Either 18 or 81 with the Patriots? Was he number 81? Does that sound right? Randy Vataha? Yes.
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Paulie
I got Randy Vitaha, number 24.
- [40:18]
Dan Patrick
No, I gotta check that. Okay. I don't. He was a wide receiver. I think they would have given him 24. Yes.
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Todd
Todd, I see a jersey on ebay from the 70s that has a Vataha 18 on it.
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Dan Patrick
Okay. All right. Bloop, bloop.
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I
Yes, Marvin, as far as greatest career resurgence, where do we rank Kurt Warner after the Giants?
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Dan Patrick
Well, it got him into the hall of Fame, so I would look at his resurgence as more impactful than Jim Plunkett. I mean, Jim was forgotten. It's a different era. If you're winning two Super Bowls now with a team, you know, then we might be talking about him being a Hall of Famer. Because he's got two Super Bowls. But Jim was a Heisman Trophy winner. And then he went to the Patriots and they weren't good and got kicked to the curb, then ended up winning two Super Bowls. All right, last call for phone calls. What we learned what's in store tomorrow. By the way, Wilford Brimley was 49 in the Natural. Robert Redford was 47. And if you see them next to each other, you're like, Robert Redford and his grandfather are there in the dugout with the Naturals.
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Caller
Wow.
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Dan Patrick
Wow. We're back after this. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live.
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Dan Patrick
Last call for phone calls. What we learned this day in sports history. All of that coming up. Final results of the poll question as well. My thanks to Gary Myers. The book is Brady vs. Belichick and it's available today. And Dean Blandino, Fox rules analyst who joined us earlier in the hour. All right, Seaton, final results of the poll question, please.
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Seaton
Yeah, we got a couple of them up there and they're sort of all runaways, actually. Who looks more Super Bowlish? Chargers by a long shot two. And oh, AFC team that won't make the playoffs. Bengals are running away with that one cold second. Bills and Chargers have almost no votes in that.
- [46:27]
Dan Patrick
You know, the. Keenan Allen's career is fascinating to me because he's one of those guys. If he stays healthy, if he had stayed healthy at five catches, 61 yards and a touchdown last night, he's second all time among Chargers receivers in both receptions and receiving yards. So he has over 900 catches, over 10,000 yards receiving. He also has 61 touchdowns. That ranks him behind Antonio Gates and Lance Allworth. Start of the day, start of the day. We love your state of the day. Start of the day, Start of the day. Stat of the day. Thank you. Thank you, Pandora. Stat of the day, brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the program. Yes, Paul.
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Paulie
Keenan Allen, like you said, approaching a thousand catches, six Pro Bowls more likely to be haul a very good first ballot.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah.
- [47:29]
Paulie
Or get a hall pass for the injuries and sneak into the hall of Fame.
- [47:32]
Dan Patrick
No, no. Which one is it in? Isaac Bruce or Tori Holt?
- [47:39]
I
Tori Holt is not in.
- [47:40]
Dan Patrick
Yes, Tory Holt's got to get in. But the problem is with what I just did. Is it Isaac Bruce or Tori Holt? And then you got overshadowed with Kurt Warner and Marshall Falk. Marshall. That's Marshall Falk. Yeah. Yes, Paulie.
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Paulie
Tory Holt had seven Pro Bowls in 11 years and 920 catches back when that meant a lot more.
- [48:01]
Dan Patrick
Yeah. Let me see. How about this day in sports history? Paul?
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Paulie
Yeah. Just a couple for you. I have Jim Bottomley, 1924, knocked in 12 runs in a single game. And then 1988, Tom Browning pitched the 12th perfect game in Major League Baseball history for the Reds.
- [48:21]
Dan Patrick
Dave linfield got his 3,000th hit. In 1993, Paul Molitor, on this date got his 3,000th career hit. His was a triple. And oh, 1989, number one, Notre Dame beat number two, Michigan, thanks to two kickoff returns by Rocket Ishmael, 88 and 92 yards. Robin Boca. Hi, Rob. What's on your mind today?
- [48:48]
Caller
Hey, Dan, how you doing?
- [48:50]
Dan Patrick
Good.
- [48:52]
Caller
Going back to the natural. That movie gets an extra star because Kim Basinger was at the height of her powers and little trivia question about the movie. A member of Roy Hobbs's New York Knights. A member of that team was actually a rookie of the year in Major League Baseball. Who was it?
- [49:13]
Dan Patrick
Joe Charbonneau. The Indians.
- [49:17]
Caller
Correct. Who might have been best known for being able to open beer bottles with his eye.
- [49:23]
Dan Patrick
Yeah. Yes. Thank you, Rob.
- [49:26]
Seaton
Heard of him.
- [49:28]
Dan Patrick
Joe Charbonneau. Great name. Tony in California. High tone. What's on your mind today?
- [49:37]
Caller
Hey, Dan, Good morning. How are you doing?
- [49:39]
Dan Patrick
Good morning.
- [49:40]
Caller
Good, good. Hey, I quick question about, you know, the leverage call and whatnot. How you, you know, you can't really, you know, push off or anything, but somehow the tush push is allowed, which is essentially, you know, pushing, assisting someone. I mean, to me it doesn't seem like there's any difference. I mean, what's your thoughts on that?
- [50:00]
Dan Patrick
Yeah, I didn't really fully understand the leverage call, but you can't be assisted by one of your teammates if you're going to go up the middle and try to block the kick. But I think that's more of elevation than it is just moving straight ahead. The tush push is to move straight ahead. Leverage is you're trying to get leverage to move into the center and go up and try to block the field goal. At least that's what I've been led to believe.
- [50:27]
Paulie
Yeah, you're right on that leverage call. You also can't use the opposition like the offensive guard.
- [50:32]
Dan Patrick
Use him to push up Eric and Tucson. Hi, Eric. What's on your mind?
- [50:38]
Caller
Good morning, Dan. Hey, I'll make it quick because I know you're at the end. Two quick things. Wondering if you saw the Diego Pavila bet over the weekend since you give a Diego Pavia award on your gambling.
- [50:51]
Dan Patrick
Podcast about letting somebody date his mom.
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Caller
Yes, I believe it is Theo Vaughn. I think he's a podcaster comedian. I'm not quite sure the nexus of the bet, but I found that crossover pretty interesting. And then secondly, just real quick as you're talking about it, yesterday, I believe they changed the rules on the kicking footballs, where they now allow the kickers to keep the ball throughout the season versus just giving them to them 90 minutes before game time. So as those balls get broken in, I think you're going to see longer and longer kicks because they, you know, just like the quarterbacks, they find their favorite balls and they're able to use them.
- [51:30]
Dan Patrick
All right, thank you, Eric. I have no problem with that. It's your football that you're kicking it's your football that you're throwing. It's your team that has to catch the ball. I don't have any problem with it. It was just Tom lied about Deflategate and that's what got him in trouble. I think if he was maybe forthcoming then you know, the penalty would not have been nearly what it was and that was pretty harsh penalty. Let's go around the room what we learned on the program. Todd, what'd you learn today?
- [51:58]
Todd
Fox's Dean Blandino is all for viewers being able to hear replay discussions. But while it can eliminate conspiracy theories, it might also advertise officials incompetence.
- [52:06]
Dan Patrick
I know I would love to hear that. See, no Connor League is gonna have.
- [52:10]
Seaton
To figure out what to do with Tommy.
- [52:12]
Dan Patrick
Hashtag Tommy Marvin.
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I
There's a combine for the refs.
- [52:17]
Dan Patrick
I did not know that.
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Paulie
Paul BAKER Mayfield is 30.
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Dan Patrick
TODD what did I learn?
- [52:22]
Todd
We all learned that you would like to see Jalen Hurts and Saquon Barkley have a squad off or deadlift competition.
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