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Hour 3 – Demise of the SEC?, Mike Golic

The Dan Patrick Show

Fri Jan 03 2025

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Podcast Summary: The Dan Patrick Show – Hour 3: Demise of the SEC? with Mike Golic

Release Date: January 3, 2025

In the third hour of The Dan Patrick Show, hosted by iHeartPodcasts and the Dan Patrick Podcast Network, Dan Patrick delves into the evolving landscape of college football, specifically questioning the sustained dominance of the Southeastern Conference (SEC). Joining him is former NFL star Mike Golic, providing expert insights and engaging in dynamic discussions that capture the attention of sports enthusiasts.

1. The Changing Landscape of College Football and the SEC

Dan Patrick kicks off the discussion by referencing a thought-provoking article by Dan Wolkin of USA Today titled "SEC and its Dear Leader Should Accept Reality." Wolkin argues that the SEC's era of unquestioned supremacy in college football is waning, citing factors such as the Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) policies and the transfer portal's impact on player distribution.

[04:00] Dan Patrick: "The old reliable narrative that there is a different quality of football in the SEC than other leagues is now more of a myth than a reality."

Patrick highlights Wolkin's assertion that the SEC needs to acknowledge the shifting dynamics in college football, where talent is more dispersed, and traditional powerhouses face increasing competition from other conferences and independent programs like Notre Dame.

2. Counterarguments: The SEC’s Resilience

Mike Golic responds to Wolkin’s critique, emphasizing the SEC's ongoing influence and resilience in college football.

[04:58] Mike Golic: "One off year for the SEC does not deny the past 20 years. They will in the offseason, Greg Sankey make maneuvers to alter the rules of the college football playoffs to be more friendly to them."

Golic argues that the SEC's extensive history of success and its robust media and financial strategies ensure its continued prominence. He likens the SEC’s situation to that of a basketball player experiencing an off-year, asserting that a temporary dip does not signify a downfall.

[05:27] Dan Patrick: "Things, but there's only so much amount of money you can spend on NIL."

3. The Impact of NIL and Transfer Portal on the SEC

Dan Patrick elaborates on how NIL deals and the transfer portal have democratized talent distribution in college football, potentially diluting the SEC's traditional advantage.

[05:27] Dan Patrick: "If you're a quarterback, you want to play. If you're transferring, you want to play. If you're now, you're not going to be third on the depth chart waiting for your turn at Alabama."

He points out that schools across various conferences are now offering lucrative NIL deals, attracting top talent away from the SEC. This shift allows programs like SMU, Indiana, Arizona State, and Boise State to rise in prominence, challenging the SEC’s longstanding dominance.

4. Listener Engagement: MVP Candidates and Sam Darnold’s Performance

Phone calls from listeners add depth to the discussion, focusing on NFL players and their potential accolades. A listener named Donovan questions whether Notre Dame quarterback Riley Leonard could outperform NFL player Taysom Hill, leading to a broader conversation about MVP candidacies.

[20:16] Dan Patrick: "Though he's somewhat not eligible for the Comeback Player of the Year award."

The debate intensifies around Sam Darnold’s performance with the Detroit Lions, contemplating his eligibility and potential for the Comeback Player of the Year award despite not meeting traditional criteria related to overcoming injury or illness.

[15:48] Todd Fritz: "Can Sam Darnold win Comeback Player of the Year?"

Mike Golic joins in to debunk the notion, reinforcing that comeback awards typically require overcoming significant adversity, which Darnold hasn’t experienced in the conventional sense.

[21:00] Mike Golic: "He has been absolute money. But no, he's not winning comeback player of the year."

5. The Future of Notre Dame and Coaching Strategies

Discussions pivot to Notre Dame's adaptability in the current college football environment, especially in navigating the NIL and transfer landscape. Golic praises Notre Dame’s strategic recruitment and coaching under Marcus Freeman, contrasting it with traditional powerhouses.

[26:43] Mike Golic: "We saw the portal open a few Mondays ago and within a week there was over 2000 players in the portal. So this is the new college football."

He underscores Notre Dame’s ability to attract and retain talent through effective coaching and strategic decisions, suggesting that their model may serve as a blueprint for other programs adapting to the new norms.

6. Rhyme Time and Casual Segments

Amidst the heavy discussions, Dan Patrick introduces the entertaining "Rhyme Time" segment, where co-host Paul Pabst engages in wordplay and sports-related rhymes, adding a lighter touch to the show.

[36:37] Paul Pabst: "MVP Tonight Show. MVP Tonight Show."

[37:05] Dan Patrick: "Marcus Carcass is so good."

These segments showcase the hosts' chemistry and provide a playful respite from the intense analytical discussions.

7. Conclusion: SEC’s Path Forward and Evolving College Football

As the hour progresses, Dan Patrick and Mike Golic reconcile their viewpoints, acknowledging the SEC's storied past while recognizing the challenges posed by emerging trends like NIL and the transfer portal. They conclude that while the SEC remains a formidable force, the landscape of college football is undeniably shifting, necessitating adaptability and strategic innovation.

[28:20] Dan Patrick: "The new era of college football is here. It's just a matter of how much you want to use it."

The episode wraps up with a consensus that the SEC must evolve to maintain its dominance in an increasingly competitive and financially driven college football environment.

Notable Quotes:

"The old reliable narrative that there is a different quality of football in the SEC than other leagues is now more of a myth than a reality." — Dan Patrick [04:00]
"One off year for the SEC does not deny the past 20 years." — Mike Golic [04:58]
"If you're a quarterback, you want to play. If you're transferring, you want to play." — Dan Patrick [05:27]
"We saw the portal open a few Mondays ago and within a week there was over 2000 players in the portal. So this is the new college football." — Mike Golic [26:43]
"The new era of college football is here. It's just a matter of how much you want to use it." — Dan Patrick [28:20]

This episode of The Dan Patrick Show offers a comprehensive examination of the SEC's current standing within college football, enriched by expert analysis from Mike Golic and interactive listener segments. For fans seeking an in-depth understanding of collegiate shifts and their implications on the sport's future, this episode provides valuable perspectives and engaging discourse.

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Dan Patrick (0:00)

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Expires in six months. You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio final hour on this Friday. It's a meat Friday. I of course am the head of quality control. I went out to check out the teriyaki chicken stir fry and it is delish. We also have spring rolls. Who has it better than we do? Nobody. Sunday night nobody has it better than we do. And NBC and Peacock, Kings of the North, Sam Darnold and the Vikings against Jared Goff and the Lions. It's the final game of the regular season and what's up for grabs? Number one seed in the NFC. The loser will be the fifth seed with 14 wins on the road opening round of the playoffs Sunday 7 Eastern on NBC. And Peacock and if you talk about a must win situation, this is and we'll do the must win game of the weekend coming up. But if I look at the Lions, I have to take them off the board for the following reason. They have to win this game for a variety of reasons. You want to have the number one overall seed, you have the home field advantage. But also they need to continue to win. So there is the possibility that Aiden Hutchinson will be able to play. The longer they go, the more opportunity for these players. And it's not just him. There's a couple other players they're trying to get back for the postseason. They must win this game this weekend. They got to get to the NFC title game. And if they do, chances are they would have Aiden Hutchinson back for the Super Bowl. But when you talk about most must win, I know there's other scenarios here, but that would probably be front and center for me because it's not just home field advantage. It's also sending the Vikings on the road and it's also maybe going to extend the, you know, the opportunity to be able to extend your postseason because you'll have home field advantage. All righty. Final hour phone calls are welcome. Seaton, you'll have the poll question for the final hour. Tyler sitting by to take your phone calls. 877 3DP Show Good morning those watching on Peacock. Thank you for downloading the app and our radio affiliates around the country. Over 400 cities that carry this program. We'll have rhyme time with Fritzy. Most must win game of the weekend coming up. Big Mike Golick will also stop by as well. It was a great night for Notre Dame. This is one of those games that now this isn't a great Georgia team, but it's a dangerous Georgia team. And I thought that Notre Dame looked like an SEC team or at least an older old school sec. You know, they were able to control the ball. They were physical, they had speed. All the things, you know. And I go back to I was at the national title game with Ohio State in Florida and I remember it was just different. You just watched what the SEC was all about and it was speed. And I thought there is a big difference between the SEC and everybody else. There's not that big of a difference anymore. Dan Wolkin, who writes for USA Today, he has an article that starts out by saying SEC and its dear leader should accept reality. The league no longer rules college football. He goes on to write, the time has come for SEC fans, its media machine, and especially its commissioner to fess up to the reality that it has simmered under the surface this entire college football season. The world has changed significantly. And the old reliable narrative that there is a different quality of football in the SEC than other leagues is now more of a myth than a reality. It goes on to write how you can't stockpile players nil transfer portal that's changed everything. And he ends up by saying that they should not be entitled that quote, we won all these championships under a completely different set of rules, so you must kneel to us now. That baloney that comes far too naturally for people all over that league. It's time for a new act. It's time to be honest. It's time to face facts. You're just like everyone else now. Yes, Paulie, I like to pump the.

Dan Patrick (5:27)

Things, but there's only so much amount of money you can spend on nil. And other schools are promising your opportunity to play right away. If you're a quarterback, you want to play. If you're transferring, you want to play. If you're now, you're not going to be third on the depth chart waiting for your turn at Alabama. It's just not going to happen. And you even saw this with Georgia last night. Georgia should have five running backs ready to go. And maybe they do, but they, they didn't have a running game last night. I mean, Sony, Michelle and Nick Chubb, like, this is Georgia gotta have a running back. They had no running game. Now you're still spending money on the offensive and defensive line, but it just feels like these other schools can pony up money and it can be an attractive place to go because you can play right away. And I think that's the difference is maybe they're not going to be as great as they once were, but you're going to have teams that maybe you didn't factor in, like SMU or Indiana, Arizona State, Boise State, that they can come up and they can play with you. It's only one game that that's all you're asking for. They, they wanted an opportunity. Now they lost, but they got an opportunity. And Arizona State took Texas to the mat. Double overtime. That's what you want. Now you have more teams that can make the playoff. It's not making a bowl game, it's making the playoffs. So now when you spend, you're spending with a goal that can be lucrative because if you win or you continue to win and that amount of money, like Notre Dame doesn't have share of the money. They had $14 million they, they made last night and then they got this next game. So that's where you know the business of college football is allowing you to be able to compete. And if you win your conference I and, and college football will change. It'll continue to change. But this is why when you see what's transfer portal, I can get that quarterback who played with that team, Quinn Ewers is going to play for somebody next year. Imagine if Quinn Ewers goes to Notre dame or Oregon. $6 million. Probably going to cost you. You got your quarterback. So that's what's going on. Notre Dame. Sam Hartman, Riley Leonard. Come on in. Play a year. See you later. That's what college football has become. You know, it's not this. Hey, you. You've earned your time. Your time is now. You come in, you play. If you don't play, you're thinking about transferring. Or I might transfer. How much are you going to pay me to stay? This is what's going on. And it'll continue until they're able to put, you know, a seat belt on this. And believe me, they're working on this. They are. Like, how did this happen? You know, kind of like you. You walk in and you. You left your teenagers alone for the weekend to have a party, and you're like, what happened? You left us alone. We decided to have a party, Mom. Stat of the day, brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards of the Dan Patrick Show. Donovan in Iowa. Hi, Donovan. What's on your mind today? Hey, Dan. 621503. Okay. Hey, Dan, Are you talking some dude earlier about Riley Leonard, Notre Dame quarterback, and how he can't be Taysom Hill because he's too small? Well, Riley Leonard, 6 4. 2 inches taller than Taysom Hill and the same weight. I'm just wondering. I feel like he could be way better if you wanted to. I don't say, you know, Riley Leonard is. Is lanky. Taysom Hill is jacked. Okay? And he. And he was like that in college. Riley Leonard's good athlete. I told you. You know, he was recruited to play college basketball. He's a perfect college quarterback. But Taysom Hill is different. There's no. There's no other Taysom Hill in the NFL. And. And Riley Leonard is not playing running back. Okay. Maybe gets a chance playing quarterback. I don't know. I mean, I've just. I watched him. He's athletic, you know, watched him before he transferred, so I was aware of him, and he found a great place. But I. He's not Taysom Hill. How about the most must win game of the weekend? I can't wait any longer. Okay? Lions are off the board. Okay? Because if you factor this in the Lions, the most must win. You get the bye week, and then you have 18 players on the IR. 13 of the 18 players for the Lions on the IR defensive players. They're gonna have to Outscore everybody like they're. They can't just score 21 points and win again. They can't. I'd be shocked if they do. All right, Todd. The most must win game of the weekend.

Dan Patrick (18:03)

All right, let's take a break. Big Mike Golick will join us coming up next. Dan Patrick Show. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Hey, it's Steve Covino and I'm Rich Davis, and together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the. The iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved, too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Kovino and Rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course, on social media, that's covino and rich. 2025 is bound to be a fascinating year. It's going to be filled with money challenges and opportunities. I'm Joel. Oh, and I am Matt. And we're the hosts of how to Money. We want to be with you every step of the way in your financial journey this year, offering the information and insights you need to thrive financially. Yeah, whether you find yourself up to your eyeballs in student loan debt or you've got a sky high credit card balance because you went a little overboard with the holiday spending, or maybe you're looking to optimize your retirement accounts so you can retire early. Well, how to Money will help you to change your relationship with money so you can stress less and grow your net worth. That's right. How to Money comes out three times a week, Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays. For money advice without the judgment and jargon, listen to how to Money on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. He's fallen in love with Sam Darnold. You've got a crush on Sam Darnold. You want him to get paid. Now you're promoting him for Comeback Player.

Dan Patrick (34:03)

Yeah. I mean there's so much that went on and I've mentioned this before, somebody I knew actually played against went to Kentucky and knew nothing about horse racing. They went to the track and went with a booster and he just said, what's your favorite numbers? And he told him his favorite numbers. And all I know is this guy came back over the summer with a Mercedes Benz, a two seater, and we were like, man, they're treating you well. He said, yeah, I went to the, to the racetrack. I'm like, all right, I didn't know you knew anything about horse racing. I know, I don't, I don't know anything. He said, I just had favorite numbers. Let's take a break. If you're watching on Peacock, we'll go out to the Traeger Grills. Last call for phone calls. What we learn what's in store tomorrow. Or I should say Monday. Right after this, be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 2025 is bound to be a fascinating year. It's gonna be filled with money challenges and opportunities. I'm Joel. Ooh. And I am Matt. And we're the hosts of how to Money. We want to be with you every step of the way in your financial journey this year, offering the information and insights you need to thrive financially. Yeah. Whether you find yourself up to your eyeballs in student loan debt or you've got a sky high credit card balance because you went a little overboard with the holiday spending, or maybe you're looking to optimize your retirement accounts so you can retire early. Well, how to Money will help you to change your relationship with money so you can stress less and grow your net worth. That's right. How to Money comes out three times a week, Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays. For money advice without the judgment and jargon, listen to how to Money on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My thanks to Tyler. Tyler did a great job. Whipped up a batch of teriyaki chicken stir fry spring rolls, and, man, it hits the spot. Good stuff, Tyler. Thank you. Let's get to rhyme time because it's really important that Fritzi gets this in first one of the year. I'd forgotten about it. And I, of course, am trying to be a new person, a better person in the new year and say nicer things to Todd and I. This meal, this teriyaki chicken stir fry and spring rolls is because you love it.