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Dan Patrick
This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.
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Dan Patrick
Kerry Brownstein and Fred Armisen here.
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Andrew Brandt
The dream of the 90s is alive in podcast form.
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Dan Patrick
We're launching Podlandia AO Rewatch our brand new podcast where we revisit every episode of Portlandia together, breaking down sketches, going deep on our iconic characters and pulling back the curtain on how it all got made. And we'll also be joined by the people who helped bring it all to life, guest stars, collaborators and friends, including director Jonathan Krisel, the mayor himself, Kyle McLaughlin, legendary musician Amy Mann, and many more. Kyle is going for it. Here you fully improvised not just words, but a song about. Well, I thought you were all going to write a song. I remember you thinking that. Listen to Podlandia AO rewatch on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up fam? I'm sports journalist Ari Chambers. Hey, what's up y'? All? It's your girl, Sam J. And we're the host of Everyone Watches Women's Sports, a new podcast from Together and I Heart women's sports. We're breaking down the biggest headlines. Naomi Osaka showing out shout outs to you Naomi. The viral moments I've been obsessed with Chrisean Rock's boxing journey. She looks good, her combos are swift and the stories everyone's talking about across women's sports because everyone watches women's sports. Listen to Everyone watches women's sports on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. Introducing B of A Rewards a new way to reward your every ambition. It all starts with a Bank of America checking account and grows from there. You get cash back deals on brand, know and love plus a credit card rewards bonus helping you earn more rewards on things you buy every day. Join B of A Rewards today for rewards tailored to your lifestyle. What would you like the power to do? Bank of America Open or enroll your account@bankofamerica.com bfarewards bank of America Corporation. All rights reserved.
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Marv Albert
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Marv Albert
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Dan Patrick
Bank USA Salt Lake City Branch terms and more@applecard.com you are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio Final hour on this Tuesday. Dan and the Danette Stan Patrick show new poll question recap the first two hours of the program as well. 8773DP show operator Tyler sitting by. He'll take your calls. Stat of the day is always brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the program. Europe's only senior major championship will be coming up next week. It'll be Saturday, Sunday, 12 Eastern on NBC. And Peacock. 877-3DP show email address dp@danpatrick.com Twitter handle the DP Show Good morning. If you're watching on Peacock, download the app if you haven't done so. The updated odds according to DraftKings. Your favorite for LeBron, the Miami Heat. It was Cleveland last week and Miami was a distant third. Now they've moved up. They've taken the pole position there with LeBron. If you're looking at the window of when you announce, these rosters have pretty much been filled out, at least with the big ticket items. And apparently he has no time frame, which I don't think is true. I think he knows the team and he knows the time that he'll announce. This feels like here's your window because training camps open up next week. I, I'm in the content business. This is a quiet time. So if you're LeBron, you want to make sure that you get, if you're going to make your decision, you want to make it now where you don't have any competition. World cup is over. Baseball not heating up, you know, with the pennant runs, pennant stretch, summer league is over. The open championship's over. Now you have your opportunity this week to make your announcement, but right now it looks like it's the Miami Heat. Drew Brees, he'll be inducted into the Pro Football hall of Fame coming up on August 8th. And, and he's joining us on behalf of Nephi. He'll tell us about that coming up. Who helped you write your speech?
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Marv Albert
You know what? I've probably written about 10 speeches and continue to tweak it. Honestly, I feel like it's something I've been working on for about five years now. I'm kind of a voracious note taker. So whenever I listen to a podcast or read an article or, um, just hear a quote that that's meaningful or that, you know, causes me to have a reflection about something, I'll just, I'll, I'll journal it down. And so I've just got pages and pages of notes that basically is, is going to become my hall of Fame speech.
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Dan Patrick
Do you have a time element attached to this? Of 10 minutes?
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Marv Albert
Yeah. I mean, that's the hard part is it's, it's, you know, they give you, you know, what, six to eight minutes, you know, so how are you supposed to summarize, you know, a 20 year career, NFL career in, in six to eight minutes? It's really hard. You know, it's impossible to thank everybody you want to thank. And I think you're also trying to make it entertain that are there because there's a lot of people sitting in the hot sun, you know, in Canton, Ohio there to watch you and many others, you know, so you don't want them suffering out there. You want to give them something to, you know, laugh about, cry about and, and certainly be able to walk down memory lane with you.
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Dan Patrick
We last hour had the guy who was the field director, he, he, Nick Pappas, he takes care of the grass and the turf. Quality control. Worst football field you ever played on in the NFL was where what was the worst?
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Marv Albert
Well, it was, it was more so the conditions. I, again, you know, you're kind of going through pictures and different things of, of, of, of, you know, during this hall of Fame process. And there was a game in 2005 in Kansas City where it was, it was basically torrential rainstorm and so Arrowhead Stadium became literally a mud pit. I mean it was like six inches of mud. I remember Jared Allen was a young player and he kind of got after us that game and. But I, I remember seeing pictures and literally like you could hardly see the charger bolt on my helmet. This one, I was playing for the Chargers. It was just mud, mud on the face, mud all over my hands and my, how are you throwing the ball or even getting a snap? Those were, those were some of the worst conditions and worst field conditions based on the elements, obviously.
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Dan Patrick
But if I took a vote with the players. You want to play on a grass field or field turf?
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Marv Albert
Well, a thousand percent grass. And that's what was interesting about this World Cup. Is it? Is it? You know, I went and saw Spain and France play in, you know, Texas Stadium on grass. It's like the minute you walk in the dome there, you could smell the grass. And I mean, it just looked like the most unbelievable playing surface. And I mean, look, that's what guys want to play on. Certainly the statistics would show you, you know, reduced chance of injury and just better on the joints and the body and everything. But it's just the way football is meant to be played.
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Dan Patrick
Did you dread training camp?
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Marv Albert
I loved it. I loved it. Now, look, I'm not going through the abuse that a lot of, you know, other positions are, you know, with the physicality of it, but I loved it from the perspective of watching the team come together. And, you know, you've gone through the off season where you've tried to make these strides, you know, in regards to strength and conditioning and, you know, just a bit of time with, with the new. The new guys, the free agents, the draft picks. But then this is really the time where you start stacking the bricks to, to get ready for the season, for week one. And it's like, it's a race. It's a race to see how good you can be by week one. And I just. I just loved. I mean, the things that you miss about the game. Now it's the locker room, and it's the feeling on game day when you run out of the tunnel after all that preparation is behind you and just feel invincible, you know, with ultimate confidence run on the field. But that time in the locker room room was, you know, that's where you're building those bonds and that brotherhood, you know, and the greatest teams I was ever part of were the ones that loved each other the most. And that's where those. That's where those moments were fortified.
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Dan Patrick
Did you get hazed?
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Marv Albert
You know, I mean, I did all the stuff I was supposed to do as a rookie, you know, to avoid that. I think it's the guys that. That choose to. To fight that a little bit that, you know, it maybe becomes a little bit more difficult for, you know, in most cases, it's pretty. Pretty innocent. It's like, hey, rookie, get my coffee, get me a donut, get my breakfast, clean that up. Car pads, that kind of stuff. Now, there was one guy in particular who chose not to perform those duties that rookies are supposed to. And so they, during training camp, they took his car keys and they wrapped them in athletic training tape like that you tape your ankles with, right to the point where it was like the size of a volleyball, and they dropped it in the cold tub, and it sunk to the bottom of the cold tub. So if he wanted his keys to drive to the team meeting, which at the, you know, the hotel down the street, he was going to have to dive into the cold tub, unwrap his car keys in order to get there. Lesson, lesson learned.
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Dan Patrick
You want to tell us who it was?
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Marv Albert
Well, it was a young. It was A young receiver. So I can promise you he. He didn't make that same mistake.
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Dan Patrick
Okay.
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Marv Albert
Are these things that you do with the guys around the. Off, around the.
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Dan Patrick
No, no, no. I don't, I don't. I didn't haze anybody in the man that's.
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Marv Albert
Didn't have to have a rite of passage.
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Dan Patrick
A pie to the face, maybe, but I remember somebody telling me somebody got tied up naked to a goal post.
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Marv Albert
A goalpost. Yeah. That happened in college.
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Dan Patrick
In college. Not to you.
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Marv Albert
Not to me. Not to me.
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Dan Patrick
Damn. Yeah.
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Marv Albert
The good old days, the 90s.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah. You can't get away with it.
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Marv Albert
You get away with that stuff, do you?
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Dan Patrick
I don't know if we're doing this with quarterbacks yet, but we're going to do it with starting pitchers in baseball where we have to kind of alter what the hall of Fame numbers are, because these starting pitchers now aren't going to have complete games. They don't go past six innings. I don't know if we get to the point where quarterback numbers, if you get to this level, you're a Hall of Famer, or you get. I don't know, it feels like the criteria. I don't know if it's changing yet because Everybody's throwing for 40 and $50,000 yards here. It feels like it's, you know, everybody's got that opportunity. If you're playing 10 to 15 years, yeah, it's.
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Marv Albert
It's not, it's not apples to apples, right? I mean, if you compare, if you compare the statistics of any position now with what it was 40 years ago, it's quite a bit different, you know, but the game has changed, the style of play has changed. Here's what I think is kind of interesting that's happening with quarterbacks, actually, is that, you know, maybe the touchdowns are going up, but I think the overall yardage is going down a little bit. And I attribute that to the new kickoff rules. You know, the starting field position is actually 10 yards better now than it used to be because of the new kickoff rules. And so what does that mean? That means you have 10 fewer yards to go on a drive. Well, if you average 10 yards or 10 possessions a game, that's roughly 100 less yards that you're having to go. Well, just subtract that, you know, from the overall yardage now, it's going to result in more points, potentially some more touchdown passes. But I think if you look at the statistics, even with 17 games now, you know, guys aren't throwing for the same number of Yards that, you know, 10 years ago we were. I don't know where the touchdowns are, but certainly, you know, teams are averaging in the, you know, mid to low 30s, probably more teams than normal. So the point, the number of points goes up. So I don't know, every little rule change has maybe some unintended consequences as you start, you know, looking at it
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Dan Patrick
play out and also the return of the running back.
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Marv Albert
Well, yeah, I mean, look, I think the. There's ebbs and flows, right? I think what, what every team finds out, especially in some cases the hard way, is that, you know, the run game establishes everything and sets up everything for an NFL offense. I mean, I would maybe point to the Philadelphia Eagles. This, you know, they made that, that made that great super bowl run, you know, with Saquon Barkley. And the compliment of Jalen hurts being able to, you know, I mean, they just have so much variety with what they have with two really effective runners back there. But it seemed like they kind of abandoned the past, the run game, in order to maybe, you know, give Jalen some more opportunities in the shotgun and, you know, throwing the football and that they weren't as effective of an offense, especially with a weapon like that back there. So, man, having a guy who can tote the rock like that. But more so it's, it's kind of turned into running back by committee. There's not many guys, you know, that are carrying the ball 30 times a game. It's more so. Now you talk about touches, you know, it's, how can we get the ball in his hands. It's a combination of screen passes, you know, check downs, balls on the perimeter that you throw to him where he's one on one, where maybe it's not quite the same abuse as running between the tackles, but we're also going to hand the ball to him 15 to 20 times a game.
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Dan Patrick
Talking to Drew Brees, tell me what you're talking about today. Promoting today.
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Marv Albert
Yeah, you know, so I actually had pretty severe allergies, you know, at times during my career, you know, peanuts and other things. And it's not something I feel like it's talked about enough. There's a lot of people, over 40 million people that deal with severe allergies. And, you know, truly the only medication for that is, is epinephrine. And up till this point, it's typically just been in injectables. But. But I'm working with ARS Pharma and they're the maker of Nephi epinephrine nasal spray, which is Now, a nasal option that is designed to be very easy to carry, easy to use, obviously needle free. So for, you know, kids and others that, you know are dealing with the, the threat of severe allergies or a severe allergy attack or, you know, a life threatening anaphylaxis, this becomes a very safe and effective option. But definitely talk to your doctor to see if nephew's right for you. Learn more@nephi.com to understand the side effects.
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Dan Patrick
N, E, F, F, Y. He's Drew Brees and Hall of Fame speech coming up. Longest run of your career, 22 yards. That's correct.
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Marv Albert
Cincinnati Bengals.
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Dan Patrick
Was it a design run, Drew?
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Marv Albert
No, it was not. I. Look, I had a 60 yarder's call back for a BS holding call. I'm, I'm, I'm. Yeah, but I can't claim it, unfortunately. It's not, it's not in the stats, not in the stat books. Are you, Dan? I was more elusive. I was more like a pocket elusiveness guy. I was more of like a buy time.
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Dan Patrick
Okay.
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Marv Albert
I mean, people, people ask me, why didn't you run the ball more? I said, because I was too busy throwing completions, you know.
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Dan Patrick
Okay, so you weren't a Michael Vick, Steve Young, Randall Cunningham kind of running threat?
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Marv Albert
Not, not, not to that degree. I would have, I would have loved to have that, that speed and elusiveness, but yeah, I kept it to just the pocket movement for the most part.
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Dan Patrick
You faster than Brady?
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Marv Albert
Oh, yeah, yeah, he's five yards behind me.
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Dan Patrick
Faster than Peyton? Oh, yeah, he's ten yards behind you.
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Marv Albert
He's.
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Dan Patrick
Who has a longer career rush? Brady or Breeze?
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Marv Albert
Brady, I think is 29. Peyton, 33.
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Dan Patrick
Peyton had a 33 yard run.
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Marv Albert
Scamper. Can we, can we, can we like triple screen those and like put them all side by side? Like feel, feel the speed, you know, that, that we were witnessing on the screen.
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Dan Patrick
Peyton would be like a giraffe running, you know, arms and legs and that long neck there.
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Marv Albert
But yeah, I wouldn't say we were the smoothest of, of, of runners, but, you know, I think we recognized what was, what was going to help us survive, and that was not it.
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Dan Patrick
What about Roethlisberger? You faster than Ben?
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Marv Albert
No, probably not. Big Ben was. He was, he was quite the athlete.
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Dan Patrick
Underrated. Underrated as an athlete.
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Marv Albert
I'd beat him all on the mile. I would beat them all.
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Dan Patrick
Great to see you and good luck. What's that? Next week?
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Marv Albert
That's all. Are you gonna be there?
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Dan Patrick
No, no.
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Marv Albert
Come to the party. Hey, come to the party.
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Dan Patrick
I got a wedding. My daughter's getting married.
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Marv Albert
Okay, well, I'll forgive you for that, but I did send you an invite.
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Dan Patrick
Oh, you did?
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Marv Albert
I did. Absolutely.
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Dan Patrick
Todd.
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Marv Albert
Yeah. Oh, Todd's withholding it from you, huh? I'm gonna have to take another look in the drawer. Maybe it's in the back. Oh, Todd, that's messed up.
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Dan Patrick
Very weak.
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Marv Albert
Very weak by me.
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Dan Patrick
Well, that's very nice of you to send that to me. I did not know that, but good luck. Have. Have fun. And are you gonna cry?
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Marv Albert
Absolutely. I'm trying to get them all out, but
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Dan Patrick
boys wrestling around.
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Marv Albert
Right, right, right. Bring a little violence to the enshrinement.
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Dan Patrick
Yes. Have them up there in pads tackling each other. Thank you, Drew.
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Marv Albert
All right.
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Dan Patrick
That's Drew Brees. Todd. Did I get an invitation? And you?
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Marv Albert
I haven't seen it. Why would I not give you the invite?
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Dan Patrick
What? Would I have to give you the invitation? I don't know.
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Marv Albert
I'll take another look in the back, though.
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Dan Patrick
August 8th in Canton. And joining us on behalf of Nephi N E F F Y. Now, you get these guys. Well, Drew's very competitive, so you get him talking about, you know, running against Brady Peyton. Ben. Ben. Ben was a tight end, you know, and then he. You know, I think Ohio State wanted him to be a tight end. And then he went to Miami of Ohio to be a quarterback. But that dude, he was. He was like King Kong, like, knocking people away. He's just a huge dude. It's just like, Cam, Cam. When you're around Cam, you're like, golly, he's a big man. Yes. Marv.
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Marv Albert
I think the first guy I saw that could have been a D lineman or a tight end. Dante Culpepper.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah. Yeah. And, man, well, he and Drew were in Miami, and that's with Saban, and they took Culpepper, and that's when Drew went to New Orleans. How about that? Yeah, Paulie.
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Marv Albert
The Peyton Manning career high run is 33 yards. It's one of those naked bootlegs. The defense still hasn't reacted.
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Dan Patrick
Let's take a break. Back after this. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Fox Sports Radio is taking over UK YouTube. And you can be a part of it. Just go to YouTube and search Fox Sports Radio. Hit that subscribe button and smash that notification bell and catch all the videos from your favorite shows. Two pros and a cup of Joe Dan Patrick, Colin Cowherd, Stu Godson company Live Covino and Rich, the Odd Couple with Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington, the Jason Smith show with Mike Harmon and the Ben Maller Show Fox sports radio on YouTube. Subscribe hit that thumbs up icon and comment away. This is Ashley from the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast. Ben I've been reflecting a lot lately on how many big life moments our listeners have experienced with us. Yeah, it's pretty wild. They've watched us go from dating shows to engagements, weddings, babies, buying homes. Every stage comes with new decisions. The milestones are the fun part, but the planning is where things get real. That's why Klarna stands out. Klarna gives people smarter tools to help manage everyday money with flexible ways to pay cash back that builds automatically everything in one place and support that makes everyday decisions feel less overwhelming. Since life moves so fast, the right tools can help you feel more confident. Download the Klarna app today or visit klarna.com to learn more. California Resident Loans made or arranged pursuant
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Marv Albert
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Dan Patrick
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Marv Albert
Refreshers contain caffeine.
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Dan Patrick
What's up, fam? I'm sports journalist Ari Chambers. Hey, what's up, y'?
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Andrew Brandt
All?
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Dan Patrick
It's your girl, Sam J. And we're the host of Everyone Watches Women's Sports, a new podcast from Together and I heart women's sports because, let's be real, women's sports is giving us way too much to talk about these days. So Kelsey Findler, she became the first female solo rower to go from California to Hawaii. My first thought is, like, what's up with the snacks? Like, what are we eating? The highlights, the rivalries, the breakout stars, the moments that take over your entire timeline and the conversations that start during the game and somehow keep going all week. Every week, we're breaking down the biggest stories across women's sports. Naomi Osaka showing out. She beat Sabalenka. Shout outs to you, Naomi, you get the Palm. Naomi, you get the Palm for that. Because we're not just interested in what happened. We're interested in why everyone's talking about it. Because everyone watches women's sports. Listen to Everyone watches women's Sports on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. We'll sneak in a couple of phone calls and then we'll welcome a guest who always makes us smarter. Andrew Brandt. He's got a new book called Smarter About Sports, My Life Navigating Athletes, Agents, Media, and the Business of the NFL. He's a former front office executive for the packers, worked with the Eagles as well. And we'll talk to him about Smarter About Sports. Coming up here in a couple of minutes. Zach and Knoxville. Hi, Zach. What do you have for me today? Hey, dp, thanks for taking my call. I got a suggestion for a nickname for Dylan. Do you remember when in high school you do Spirit Week where you'd have, like, waxing hair Day and Hawaiian Shirt Day and Pajama Day. I think Dylan does that every day, just being himself. So I think Spirit Week would be a good nickname for him. And what's one of your favorite nicknames in all the sports? Way too many nicknames. Like, when I was growing up, it felt like you had real nicknames where you go, it's not a derivative of somebody's name. It'll be like, they're calling that guy the Red Rooster. And it was Rick Burleson had red hair. And I guess people thought he looked like a rooster. Former shortstop for the Red Sox. I still like Magic. A Magic Johnson. It fits. Yes. Yes.
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Marv Albert
Marv Yellow guy's like Oil Cambodia.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah. Yes. Yeah. And those were the beers that he used to drink.
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Marv Albert
Is that the genesis of it?
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Dan Patrick
I think so. I think so. I think he drank a beer that looked like an oil can. Yes. Dylan. Yeah. It's like the Foster's can. Yeah. Big wide one, I think.
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Andrew Brandt
Who is it?
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Dan Patrick
I like some of the names that are derivatives of the person's name, though. You do? Yeah.
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Marv Albert
Like.
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Dan Patrick
Like Darren McFadden. Run DMC. Oh, no, but I'm talking about shortening a name. Yeah. Run DMC was good. Yeah. Yeah. He didn't run as long as I would have liked him. I loved him at Arkansas. Run dmc. Any other nickname that comes to mind? Yeah, I mean, if he had Austin Reeves and Andre Carolenko on the same team, you could have AR15 and AK47. That's true. Let's see. Brett in Florida. Hi, Brett. What do you have for me? Hey, guys, how you doing? Thank you for everything. And thanks for taking the call discussing the Heat because you were mentioning earlier, if we have LeBron, Bam and Yan. Yeah. If you fill it in with Andrew Wiggins and you fill it in with Tim Hardaway Jr. And you fill it in with someone like you have a developed talent. I firm belief that Ryan Conwell could be a shooter. So with that being said, I think the wave of my championship flag, I just think that it would be enough with those guys to compete in the East. That's all I'm saying. And I had. I know I'm biased. Ask Marvin. I want Marvin's opinion, actually, because he's the aficionado. Marvin, you're unbelievable. I don't know how you know so much basketball. No, he's not, Stan. Okay.
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Marv Albert
He's incredible.
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Dan Patrick
Oh, I know. I apparently knows more than I do. Marvin.
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Marv Albert
I never said that, but.
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Dan Patrick
But Brett did. He did.
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Marv Albert
Thank you, Brett.
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Dan Patrick
No, go ahead. Help Me, Help me understand the Miami Heat roster here.
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Marv Albert
You know what, I'm kind of going to have to disagree because like we said in the first segment, he needs spot up shooters around him.
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Dan Patrick
Like when LeBron was really successful in Miami.
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Marv Albert
Mike Miller, Ray Allen, Rashad Lewis, James Jones, you need guys like that are just going to stand there and shoot
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Dan Patrick
and wait for you to do something. Yes, for sure. You got. You do all the work and I'll just stand here with my foot ready to go. All right, let me bring out Andrew Brandt, the author of a new book, Smarter About Sports. He's been a guest on the show periodically. It's my life navigating athletes, agents, media and the business of the NFL. The businesses sports podcast. Also, he writes for the Athletic Sports Illustrated. There he is, walking in, acting, very important, very regal there you look like an executive there. You got your golf shirt on. You look like maybe you're doing a corporate outing or something.
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Andrew Brandt
I did one last night. That's why I'm up.
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Dan Patrick
Hold that closer to you. Good to see you.
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Andrew Brandt
Really good to see you. And thanks for having me up. I was in the area last night doing a corporate golf event, speaking for those people, and they wanted to hear all about NIL and the crazy world we're living in in college sports. So I contacted you guys and here I am. And I appreciate you talking about my
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Dan Patrick
new book, where are we going with nil? Like, why is that a hot topic for these people?
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Andrew Brandt
Everyone's frustrated. You know, I've been doing consulting. I've been in pro sports my whole life. I never thought about getting in college sports. But a couple of athletic directors have called and said, can you help us? Can you help us with this cap and contracts and unlimited free agency? And people want to know, where does this end? What's going to happen here? We got legislation, it's a bill. It's made it through the Senate floor. It's now in the full Senate. We hopefully have a vote this week, move to the House, et cetera. Is it perfect? No, but we need some regulation.
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Dan Patrick
Well, it feels like college athletics has screwed this up. Yeah, they didn't heed the warning signs. Now they're asking Congress to help them out. That's my feeling with this, Andrew.
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Andrew Brandt
I think Mark Emmer had his head in the sand for so many years. Charlie Baker's doing the best in he can. But I'm a lawyer, as you know, there will be lawyers. Everything you try to do to restrict the lawyers come at you. The transfer portal is unregulated because somebody went to a judge and say, hey, judge, Eddie's an engineer, he can transfer every year. Susie's a math major, she can transfer every year. Why can't athletes? And judges are like, you're right, we don't have the regulation we have in pro sports. When I do these contracts. Someone just mentioned Ryan Conwell. I did his contract last year for Louisville. And when you say to an agent, hey, let's do a two year deal, three year deal, they laugh at you. Are you kidding me? Why would I do a two year deal? I have free agency every year of optionality. That creates leverage, that creates money. Why would I do that? And that's what we're dealing with in college sports. This bill has a one time transfer policy. This bill has agent regulation, agents. I'm dealing with mothers, cousins, AU coaches, you know, everyone.
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Dan Patrick
So can you see, okay, we have salary caps in certain sports. Do you think we need a salary cap in baseball?
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Andrew Brandt
I do. Because the payroll disparity in baseball is so different than the sports we talk about. Mostly where you have The Dodgers at 400 million, you have five teams under 100 million. That's not.
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Dan Patrick
But as long as we have a minimum spend, well, that's why we need a cap.
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Andrew Brandt
A cap has not. People talk about the ceiling with a cap. Yeah, cap has a floor. So minimum spend would force the A's and the Pirates and the Royals and whoever those teams are to upspend. But the union whether go back to Marvin Miller and Michael Weiner and Tony Clark and now Bruce Meyer, they're like, we would rather have the Yankees, Mets, Dodgers, unlimited spending, then worry about upspending the Pirates that has been there there. They don't care about a floor. They just don't want to cap. So it's going to be contentious. I mean, starting December 1st or wherever it is.
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Dan Patrick
But is this a strike? Like, does this feel like there's going to be a work stop? It does.
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Andrew Brandt
Okay, but December, January, February, who cares?
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Dan Patrick
Yes.
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Andrew Brandt
So we'll see about March and you know my saying, deadlines for action. We'll see.
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Dan Patrick
Do we need a. Will we have a salary cap in college athletics?
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Andrew Brandt
We do. I know, but people are blowing by because we have this supplemental nil, which is basically, you can deal deals beyond the revenue share. I write revenue share contracts between the school and the athlete, but they're still supplemental nil. You just have to get it approved. And sometimes it gets approved, sometimes it doesn't. Teams are ignoring it.
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Dan Patrick
We're seeing, did Indiana win the national title because of nil? No, partially.
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Andrew Brandt
I think they develop players at James Madison that went, yeah, went to Indiana and they actually stayed under the cap. But yeah, they just signed a 5,6 million dollar quarterback to replace Mendoza. I mean, this is where the money is right now in the Power, Power 4 conferences. And do we want.
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Dan Patrick
It doesn't stop illegal payments though, Andrew. That's the thing. It's above board. But then there's stuff that's on the, on the periphery that is still happening here.
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Andrew Brandt
I think we need a larger cap that's truly enforced and, and not have the CSC worry about $600 deals for lacrosse players. Let's get to the big deals and then you can do your Adidas deal, you can do your Nike deal outside the cap, just like pro sports. Yeah, but we're so worried, as we should be, I guess, about the cheating and you're coming here, but you're really getting this side deal under the table.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, it's frustrating. But then, you know, you start to hear the SEC saying, you know what, maybe we just go on our own here.
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Andrew Brandt
NIL now stands for. Now it's legal. I can't believe I'm writing contracts between universities and student athletes for millions of dollars. There are football rosters over 40 million. There are basketball rosters over 25 million. Think about that. You know, five years ago, NAL came on board, we were talking about thousand deal, $1,000 deal, shouting out on Instagram, now you're getting paid to play. And we have insulated that in a license contract because we don't want to get in the employee employer thing. And by the way, collective bargaining people say, well, just collective bargaining, no. Who are you bargaining with? Football, basketball, baseball, hockey, what players D1 power for? And then who are you bargaining on the other side? Is it conferences, is it commissioners? Is it the ncaa? Is it the school and states don't allow collective bargaining for public employees.
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Dan Patrick
What about biggest contract that you've negotiated
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Andrew Brandt
so far in college?
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Dan Patrick
Yeah.
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Andrew Brandt
Four and a half million for a quarterback. I can't say basketball.
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Dan Patrick
Oh, basketball. Yeah. Okay.
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Andrew Brandt
Yeah.
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Dan Patrick
Current player.
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Andrew Brandt
Yes.
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Dan Patrick
How contentious does this get with agents
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Andrew Brandt
with these negotiations when you're negotiating what you're trying to do in the school point of view, and that's me. I'm sort of management like I was with the Packers. You're trying to protect having to continue to pay if they're transfer. Having to continue to pay if they voluntarily redshirt, not medical, red shirt, voluntary to get an extra year, having to continue to Pay with, breach with morals, all those kind of things. But again, the most contentious thing is, can I please get a second year? No, no. No one will let me get a second year in these contracts.
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Dan Patrick
The book is Smarter About Sports, My Life Navigating Athletes, agents, media, and the business of the NFL. We had Jerry Jones get involved in contract negotiations. I thought that that was against the cba, but he wasn't held accountable for that. Why is that?
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Andrew Brandt
Well, I think the CBA requires that a team negotiator doesn't deal with the
- [35:12]
Dan Patrick
player directly, but he was.
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Andrew Brandt
Yes. And I don't know where the discipline went with that. This was back in the day where you'd have Carl Peterson, the Chiefs, you had text ram some of these people. Like, we called it hot boxing. You know, you get the player in the room, hey, we're all good, right? We're all good. You don't need an agent.
- [35:28]
Dan Patrick
And. And, wow.
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Andrew Brandt
The only player I think he did that with is Parsons. You know, they let the Lamb and Perk and Prescott contracts go on forever, and then they gave him top of the market. I thought that would happen with Parsons, and something personal happened there. They. He shut out the agent, and that led to this, this divorce later on. But, you know, my negotiations then, I, as everyone knows, I was the only team that didn't have an owner. We had incredible autonomy. I felt like if I did a $5 million contract or 50 million contract, no one's going to say great job or not a good guy. So I just understood working for the packers was like working for a public trust. You really like, what would the shareholders want here? And you negotiated Favre's contract and Aaron's first contract. And, you know, with Brett, this is the story of the book. It's not so much about numbers. It's about ego and relationships and insecurities. And Brett wanted to know, am I being paid similarly to at that time, Troy Aikman, Drew Bledsoe, Steve McNair? Not so much. Do I have to get 20 million? 21 million, 22 million. So that's a learning experience for me to realize these players are really all about, are you treating me like that team's treating their star? Not so much the numbers. It's really relationships.
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Dan Patrick
What is Tom Brady doing?
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Andrew Brandt
I don't understand it. You know, I thought he'd be this. A list celebrity that's kind of out of sight, out of mind, except for his TV appearances for Fox and. And this thing with fanatics and fan fest and fighting Logan Paul or Jake Whoever Paul, he's fighting to set up some WWE. It just. I surmise that after 20 years under the Belichick mushroom cloud, he's making up for lost time. He's got personality that was shunted in New England, of course. And I don't know what's going on with him now. He's everywhere, and he's playing a game.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, but I go back to the roast.
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Andrew Brandt
Yeah.
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Dan Patrick
I would have told him, I don't care how much money, don't do it, because they're going to go after your wife at the time. And I think they told him they weren't. But those comedians, they're out for a laugh. They don't care. And if it's live. And I was like, you can't go into it thinking that you can trust them because they. That's why it's a roast. They want you uncomfortable, so you do that. And then you. You're setting up a WWE moment here. And I. I just like you graduated as the greatest. You're with the Raiders. Conflict of interest, in your opinion, that he's broadcasting and he's with the Raiders?
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Andrew Brandt
You know, I think that it's a little silly that they won't let him, you know, go to meetings, but then he's on the field talking to guys before the game, and his partners will tell him whatever they find out. I don't get too upset about that. I just think the. The Michael Rubin, the CEO of fanatics, is kind of a puppet master to these mega celebrities. I was just shocked to see Novak, Djokovic and Brady and even Messi and all these guys show up for money. Of course it's for money, but they don't. You can always say they need the money. There's never enough. But why.
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Dan Patrick
But they're gonna pay Messi, what, a million bucks to show up for 10 minutes? Yes. I mean, why wouldn't you?
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Andrew Brandt
I guess. I guess.
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Dan Patrick
But they do show up.
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Andrew Brandt
But at least he didn't have to do that.
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Dan Patrick
No, he didn't have to perform. It'll smack anybody. The best run organization in all the sports is who, financially, I'd love to
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Andrew Brandt
say the team I worked for, the packers, because it was so football first. You know, there's no owner diverting resources to a boat or yacht or, you know, something else. It was all football. And obviously there are other, well, runners, organizations. I look at teams like the Eagles and the Patriots and the Steelers and so many teams that make it about the product and not all these other things and say what you Will, about Jerry Jones. He's invested, you know, and he bought the team and he's going to run the team. And he has a family owner. People talk about, well, if so and so sold for 10 billion, what's their. They're never going to sell. You know, the Patriots are never going to sell. The. These Bengals are never going to sell. These are family businesses that are now worth $10 billion. And the continuing popularity and profitability NFL never ceases to amaze me. I mean, 110 billion in media contracts, that's going to go way north, way north in a couple years.
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Dan Patrick
He's Andrew Brandt. The book is Smarter about sports, My Life Navigating Athletes, Agents, Media and the Business of the NFL. It's available now online wherever books are sold. It's great to see you again.
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Andrew Brandt
Great to see you.
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Dan Patrick
Good luck with the book.
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Andrew Brandt
Thanks so much. Hope you enjoy it.
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Dan Patrick
We'll take a break. We're back after this. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Fritz, he's all nervous now because he thinks he's lost my invitation to Drew Brees hall of Fame induction.
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Marv Albert
I was looking everywhere. I don't recall any seeing anything like that.
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Dan Patrick
When he said that, I'm like, oh,
- [40:41]
Marv Albert
my God, put that in the wrong
- [40:42]
Dan Patrick
place when I throw it out. Where did he send it to, Tom?
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Marv Albert
No idea. I reached out to his agent and said that I told him that came
- [40:50]
Dan Patrick
up in the conversation.
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Marv Albert
Can you resend it or he was
- [40:52]
Dan Patrick
serious that he's sending me an invitation, correct? Oh, absolutely. Okay. His agent said that he'll get right on it.
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Marv Albert
There was definitely an invitation and they're going to check the address and see what happens.
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Dan Patrick
I still have my invitation from Reggie Jackson. He sent me an invitation to Cooperstown many, many, many, many years ago. Yeah, Dill, I thought he was saying, like when he asked you during the interview, he's like, yeah, you want to come? I thought that's the invitation he was talking about. Oh, yeah. Paulie.
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Marv Albert
I don't think I'd heard the Reggie Jackson story before. That's.
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Dan Patrick
That's all time. He. Okay. We developed a relationship. I didn't have a relationship when he was playing. Not a great relationship because he was really tough on the media. And I remember I met him and we had a great conversation and he said, look, you're one of the few people in this business that I trust to make this a better game, you know, to hold people accountable. Like, he was very generous with his compliments because of SportsCenter, and I'd stayed in touch with him. You know, in fact, I text him, like, two weeks ago, just see how he was doing. And he said, I hope you're still the gatekeeper. I hope you're still, you know, doing this, protecting sports. So he sent me this beautiful invitation, and it had Cooperstown on it. And I saved. Was very honored by that. See Chad in South Carolina. Hi, Chad. What do you have for me today? Dad? It is an honor and a privilege. And it's an honor and a privilege to be on the show. Six, three and a half. And an unfulfilling. 145 unfulfilling. All right, Dad, I wanted to tell you, me and the wife put an offer up for a house for the first time last Friday, and it got accepted. So obviously, we're going through the closing steps and the inspections and the whole nine yards. But I got to come out to the car. I was at work and went to smoke a cigarette and just kind of reflect on it. And obviously you're on the radio, and Darius was on. Darius dropped his single, I Believe. And, you know, Dan, I'm telling you, I kind of looked like you at what you're going to look like at your daughter's wedding. I got a little teary eyed, but. But it's an honor and a privilege to be on the show. Shout out to Patrick outside of Nashville. The ball's in your court now, and love you, bud. All right, well, thank you, Chad. Yeah. I'm extremely proud of Darius. I am. He's. He's been a friend for a long, long time. And we reminisced about this a couple of years ago. I was hosting the super bowl, and he was performing at the super bowl at an event, and he's texting me as I'm hosting. And then I was texting him when he finished up with his performance, and here we were. We crossed paths in 1994, and we stayed in touch. And now I'll go to his wedding next February. But, you know, I'm very, very proud of him because, you know, a lot of things that happened to him when he was with Hootie, you know, it. They're tough to hear. They. They are. They're tough to hear how people treated him. But he's had two incredible careers. You got Hootie, and then, you know, he's become a country legend. 20 years. And I remember when he was he, he loved country music. And I remember and he was telling me and. And Hootie at the end had kind of tinges, you know, sounds of country. They, that Darius loved country. And I remember when he said he, I'm going all in. I'm like. And solo. And I go, go get him, go get him. And he did. Yeah, Marv.
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Marv Albert
So basically he's the music version of John Madden where you, if you know Darius is the country singer, you might not know.
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Dan Patrick
Or you.
- [45:04]
Marv Albert
Because you're too young.
- [45:05]
Dan Patrick
Yeah.
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Marv Albert
You don't remember Hootie?
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, yeah. Nobody. He's always been generous. And the fact that my 40th birthday, I toured with Hooting the Blowfish in Great Britain, that my wife said, you might not be able to do this again. And I took a week off and you know, we had four, four little ones. And she said, go. So I went to London, Scotland and Ireland with Hootie and the Blowfish and lived to tell about it. My 50th, they were going from New York to Boston, the band and they stopped at my house and performed on my front porch. And then my 60th, we went to pebble and Darius came out. He was going through a tough time with his marriage and he said, you know, I'll be there. And he flew in and played golf for a few days. So very fortunate, you know, got. Got some lifelong friends. Sandler reached out last night and text me and I thought, oh. So I saw it, it came up Sandler. And then he goes, hey, my uncle, he wants to know why you don't like the Knicks. I go, I'm. I picked the Knicks in six. He said, my uncle listens every day and he thinks, you hate the Knicks. Why do you hate the Knicks? And I'm going, is he going to bring up the fact that I'm lamenting doing the movie? Because I have one line. Sandler didn't say one word about it. So I don't know if he didn't hear me say it or somebody didn't tell him that I said it, that here I am whining and moaning because I have one line in Grown Ups. 3.
- [47:01]
Marv Albert
A little pause there.
- [47:02]
Dan Patrick
I know. Don't do it. I know. No, I'm gonna do the movie. I just hate taking a day. I have to take a day off.
- [47:08]
Marv Albert
Is it a Monday?
- [47:09]
Dan Patrick
Yes. Football season.
- [47:12]
Marv Albert
I don't think you should do the movie. I'll come in. Glad to come in.
- [47:16]
Dan Patrick
So Ross Tucker is going to come in and Tony Reali is going to fill in that Thursday and Friday. What? 13th and 14th before I go to my daughter's wedding. Todd, what did I learn today? We all learned you love a nice
- [47:31]
Marv Albert
afternoon movie where it's still light out when you leave the theater. You're seeing the Odyssey this afternoon?
- [47:35]
Dan Patrick
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