Hour 3 – Eastern Conference Woes, Jamal Crawford

Summary

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The Dan Patrick Show – May 11, 2026 (Hour 3)

Main Theme
A dynamic hour delving into NBA playoff chaos—particularly Eastern Conference power shifts, LeBron James’s future, and the Knicks’ postseason potential—plus expert analysis from NBA veteran and broadcaster Jamal Crawford.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

MLB Pop Culture Crossover: Tupac Bobblehead Night

[02:14–04:29]

• Dan and the crew riff on the Orioles’ sold-out Tupac Shakur Bobblehead Night.
• Quote:
  • "I didn't realize that the Orioles had a Tupac Shakur bobblehead night. I did not know this." – Dan Patrick (02:41)
• Fans lined up hours early; secondary market prices soared up to $170.
• Tupac’s Baltimore connection explored, plus in-stadium antics—Tupac of nachos, hot dogs, and his sister throwing out the first pitch.
• Tone: Playful, incredulous banter.

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NBA Playoffs Deep Dive: Knicks, Pacers, and More

[04:29–16:07]

• New York Knicks’ playoff dominance:

  • “They beat the Sixers by an average of 22 points. That’s the best in franchise history for a series.” – Dan Patrick (05:11)

• Discussion on “blowout wins” and pressures facing the current coach, Mike Brown, “gotta get to the NBA Finals.”

• Retrospective on last year's playoffs—unexpected rises by Indiana’s Tyrese Haliburton.

• NBA Trade/Tanking Talk:

  • Pacers’ failed gamble with a protected draft pick (lost to Clippers after poor lottery luck).
  • Thunder’s “embarrassment of riches” in draft capital and young depth.

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LeBron James: Will He Retire or Not?

[09:00–16:07]

• Lakers on the brink; speculation about LeBron James’s possible retirement.
• Quote:
  • “Would you be willing to say there’s no chance LeBron James retires after this season?” – Paul (10:10)
  • “Oh, I couldn’t say that.” – Dan Patrick (10:22)
• Dan theorizes if LeBron would orchestrate a documentary “Victory Tour” similar to Michael Jordan’s Last Dance—owning his final chapter.
• Debate: is chasing more championships realistic, or is stat-building the bigger motivator?
• Jordan vs. LeBron debate, again:
  • “He has to do things that Michael never did.” – Dan Patrick (13:50)
  • “He’s already doing things Michael never did.” – Marvin (13:57)
• Broader philosophical question: If you’re still good and healthy, why stop?
• The allure of cementing untouchable all-time stats.

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[16:43] Listener Call-in Segment: NBA Lottery Reforms

• Lighthearted proposals (“let the owners shoot free throws for picks!”)
• Dan promises to jokingly bring it up to the Commissioner.

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Jamal Crawford Joins: Playoff Analysis & LeBron Perspective

[22:03–43:36]

Wemby Ejection Decision

• [22:03–24:26]
  • Was Victor Wembanyama’s ejection in Game 4 justified? Will he be suspended for Game 5?
  • Jamal Crawford: “He definitely should have been ejected… but I don’t think he’s suspended for Game five.” (22:27)
  • Dan compares David Stern’s stricter style to today’s Adam Silver-era star treatment.
• The crew examines the need for “enforcer” players to protect stars—Wemby shouldn’t be delivering hard fouls.

Anthony Edwards’ Postseason Brilliance

• [26:05–27:36]
  • “He’s different. He’s one of the most competitive people I’ve seen to be that young.” – Jamal Crawford (26:20)
  • Praised for authentic leadership and willingness to “take over” games.

LeBron’s Legacy, Potential Farewell

• [28:08–32:39]
  • Jamal hopes LeBron takes a proper farewell tour:
    • “He can be appreciated in that way… to be a 41-year-old man and still—I was trash after three games in four days. What he’s doing is at a whole other level.” – Jamal Crawford (28:47)
  • Dan posits LeBron will document (and control) his goodbye, not go “quietly.”
  • Both agree on the unprecedented nature of LeBron’s longevity and continued excellence:
    • “We’ll never see anything like this from a longevity standpoint. A dominance of longevity.” – Jamal Crawford (32:11)

James Harden's Place in NBA History

• [32:50–34:35]
  • Harden’s statistical mastery and regular-season dominance, but postseason shortfalls.
  • Dan: “He’s built for the regular season. He’s just not a playoff performer. And D. Wade was.” (33:54)
  • Debate on regular-season greatness vs. playoff legacy (Dwyane Wade cited as preferable by both).

The Knicks’ Transformation

• [34:35–37:04]
  • Knicks are using Jalen Brunson more creatively and playing with greater freedom.
  • Jamal Crawford: “I think they’re more diverse in how they’re using Brunson… less predictable, more free. Tibbs gave them a lot of freedom.” (34:43)
  • Dan compares Brunson to “a left-handed Chris Paul.”

Steve Kerr’s Motivation to Keep Coaching

• [37:04–38:49]
  • Is staying for Steph Curry and Draymond’s sake—and the love of the game—worth it even if the Warriors are no longer contenders?
  • Discussion on leadership, loyalty, and how “changing the game” outlives championships.

Jamal Crawford’s Son & Basketball Legacy

• [38:49–40:13]
  • Jamal’s freshman son already has 15 scholarship offers; Penny Hardaway’s full-circle offer highlighted.
  • Growing up on film study—especially Penny’s multidimensional approach as a tall point guard.

“Analyst One-on-One Challenge”

• [40:13–43:38]
  • Who would win a one-on-one tournament among current NBA analysts/broadcasters?
  • Jamal Crawford (after clarification): “I win.” (43:03)
  • Light-hearted trash talk; believes he could beat any of the other former players right now.
  • “As I got older, I got nicer—I’ll spray [their ankles] and say, ‘Are you all right?’ Unless they talk trash, then it’s over.” (42:34)

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Notable Quotes

• “He has to do things that Michael never did.” – Dan Patrick, on LeBron’s drive for a unique legacy (13:50)
• “He’s already doing things Michael never did.” – Marvin (13:57)
• “He wants to be one of the greats, and he understands the responsibility.” – Jamal Crawford, on Anthony Edwards (26:20)
• “We didn’t even know The Last Dance was being recorded. I hope LeBron gets his flowers the right way.” – Jamal Crawford (30:37; 32:39)
• “I think I can do a pretty good job bridging this era with the one before me.” – Jamal Crawford, on his analyst perspective (40:57)
• “Oh, I win.” – Jamal Crawford, on the analyst one-on-one tournament (43:03)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [02:14] Tupac Bobblehead Night and the Orioles
• [05:11] Knicks’ Dominance & Mike Brown’s Pressure
• [09:00] LeBron’s Future & Retirement Speculation
• [13:36] LeBron’s Legacy: Stats vs. Rings
• [16:43] Listener Calls: Draft Lottery Antics
• [22:03] Jamal Crawford Interview Segment Begins
• [22:27] Wemby Incident Breakdown
• [26:05] Anthony Edwards’ Rise
• [28:08] LeBron’s Farewell Possibilities
• [32:50] James Harden’s Place in History
• [34:35] Knicks’ Playoff Adjustments
• [37:04] Steve Kerr’s Coaching Motivation
• [38:49] Jamal Crawford's Son and Penny Hardaway Connection
• [40:13] Analyst “One-on-One Tournament” Debate

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Tone and Style

• Signature blend of sharp basketball analysis, playful debate, respectful nostalgia, and offbeat humor.
• Jamal Crawford brings first-hand credibility and warmth, especially when discussing player legacies and his family.

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For Those Who Missed It

• This hour offers a comprehensive view of today’s NBA playoff storylines (notably the ever-shifting Eastern Conference), but the conversation often returns to timeless debates around legacy, greatness, and how history will remember stars like LeBron and James Harden.
• Jamal Crawford’s presence elevates the analysis, especially his candor on superstar mindsets and what animates today’s most competitive players.
• The show’s gentle humor, rapid-fire stats, and insider anecdotes create a fun, highly listenable hour even for the casual fan.

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Transcript

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show on Fox Sports Radio Final hour on this Monday. More of your phone calls. Best and worst of the week Weekend Jamal Crawford. He works for NBC with their NBA coverage. He will Join us coming up in about 20 minutes from now. Always great to talk hoops with him. Your phone calls always welcome, especially on a Monday. Best and worst of the weekend. What you saw that you liked, you didn't like. I didn't realize that the Orioles had a Tupac Shakur bobblehead night. I did not know this.

[Dylan]

Yeah. On Friday.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, but why?

[Dylan]

So Tupac's from Baltimore originally.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. So I guess that they had around 5,000 bobble. How many bobbleheads did they have? Because fans were lining up four hours before the game on Friday.

[Dylan]

They had 20,000 available, which is about half of the max attendance.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. There was. Attendance was 39,000, and people were lined up for four hours to get their bobblehead.

[Dylan]

So my. My fiance now, actually, she went to that game, and they got there, like, an hour and a half early, and it was immediately, like, no shot. Like, there was. It looked like that Metallica concert they played in Russia, where there's, like, 2 million people there, and people had, like, flown in from other states just to get the bobblehead. They're, like, fighting over him and, like, you know, bartering, trying to sell and trade him. Like, in the stadium. It was apparently. It was a little nuts.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. I'm seeing some numbers where they went for between 100, $170 on eBay after the game. Yeah. 39, 000. But they had. You said 20,000 bobbleheads.

[Dylan]

Yeah. So you had, like. But then again, like, you had. So there's a 50. 50 shot, like, more or less. But you had to get there, I don't know, five hours early to even get in line.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. Paulie.

[Paul]

Big crowd. 39,000 bigger since the home opener. And Tupac's sister threw out the first pitch.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, cool. Yeah. All right. Yes. Todd.

[Todd]

And at the concession stand, you can get a Tupac of nachos and Tupac of hot dogs. They did a whole thing.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm lenient right now. Last hour. I'm lenient. Tupac. Best and worst of the weekend. Best and worst of the weekend. 8, 7, 7, 3, DP. Show operator. Tyler's sitting by. Take your phone calls. Stat of the Day is always brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the Dan Patrick show tomorrow night. Pistons. Or I should say no. Is that tonight? Pistons and the Cavs. That's tonight. It says tune in on tomorrow.

[Marvin]

Yeah, I don't know who did that.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. Wait. Isn't this your job to take care.

[Guy Fiore]

Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

So the game is tonight? It is tonight on NBC. And Peacock. It is at eight Eastern.

[Marvin]

Correct.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. Pistons are three and a half point underdogs. The Lakers are ten and a half point underdogs at home. And what could be the closeout game of that series, we spent a lot of time talking about the Knicks. They're. They're doing it right. They are not leaving anything to chance. They are blowing teams out. They beat the Sixers by an average of 22 points. That's the best in franchise history for a series. The previous best, I think, was the series with Atlanta, where they won by, I think, every game by at least 17, an average of 17 points per game. But it's working. And keep in mind, though, they have to get, you know, to the Eastern Conference finals. They have to win the Eastern Conference finals because the Knicks have been here before last year with Tom Thibodeau. And then they made the change because they couldn't get by Indiana. Mike Brown has done a really good job, but he's done good jobs in other places. He just doesn't last longer. He gets fired. Now you're taking over for the Knicks. You got to get to the NBA Finals. Now. They're not going to fire Mike Brown. I'm just saying, if we're looking at what Tom Thibodeau did, just remember what they did last year. It's just they didn't plan on Tyrese Halliburton being a crazy, clutch, breakout player. Hard to even describe what that was all about, because you're thinking, all right, you're watching the Pacers and you're going, okay. And all of a sudden, game on the line. And Tyrese Halliburton is acting like Reggie Miller. Yes, Marv.

[Marvin]

Yeah. Last season when the Knicks beat the Celtics in the second round, I was with everybody else, oh, they're gonna beat the. They're gonna beat the Pacers in six. And now it's time to go to the NBA Finals. And then. Neat. Nate Smith and Neb Hard and Miles turn. All these guys came out of nowhere.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Marvin]

And blew their doors off.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, it seems like a long, long time ago, the Pacers were in the NBA Finals. Long, long time ago.

[Marvin]

OKC to a game seven.

[Dan Patrick]

I know. Long, long time ago. And the Pacers had the league's second worst record. They won 19 games. But they made a trade when they had 13 wins and 38 losses. And they made the trade with the Clippers of Ika Zubak. And all of a sudden, if it was a top four pick, it was protected. They ended up with the fifth Pick after the lottery ended. So that's rough. Clippers made a good deal. Good deal. Got two first round picks, second round pick, couple of players as well. They did a good job. But the pacers, you got 13 wins and 38 losses. I'm not making any trades to try to improve my roster. And Kevin Pritchard admitted, hey, we took a chance, needed a little luck. We didn't get lucky. Well, there's the problem. You're. You're trying to get luck. I want you to get good, not lucky. And they end up losing that pick to the Clippers. OKC has another pick.

[Guy Fiore]

What?

[Dan Patrick]

What pick do they have? Like 14th or something?

[Marvin]

Believe it's the 12th pick.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, 12th pick. They don't have any room on the roster. You got guys who were 9th or 10th or 11th on the depth chart getting in and lighting up. I mean, they're looking like all Stars here. Yeah, Paul, they had the 12th pick

[Paul]

and the 17th pick, and they got three first round picks next year. OKC.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. And they don't even have their second best player, Jalen Williams, playing in this series.

[Paul]

They're so deep. They have two guys named Jalen Williams. Got a backup guy with the same name.

[Guy Fiore]

I know,

[Dan Patrick]

but lakers at home, LeBron's last stand here, 10 and a half point underdogs. Yeah.

[Paul]

Paul, would you be willing to say, and you're a guy who never says no chance or I guarantee, would you be willing to say there's no chance LeBron James retires after this season?

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, I couldn't say that. I couldn't say.

[Paul]

Been around too long.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. I would be surprised if he would go out this way from the standpoint of, let's do a farewell tour. And as I said in the first hour, I would just hire a film crew, maybe do what Michael Jordan did. He had a film crew and Mike owned the rights. And that's why we waited so long for all of that, you know, background stuff, all the stuff of him being followed around. I. I saw that. I didn't know what n, you know, NBA entertainment was doing, but they were doing a documentary. They were gathering all of this film, all this footage of Mike. And then it got to the point where Mike then said, okay, now we can release this. Maybe that's what LeBron does. Maybe he just says, let's do this. From training camp to the postseason, and whatever happens along the way, let's document it. And, you know, maybe Netflix wants to air this. Yes, Dylan.

[Dylan]

I mean, LeBron could actually do something cool here and just like, randomly in the off season, just be like, I'm done, guys. And just sort of.

[Dan Patrick]

That's not LeBron.

[Dylan]

I know it's not. That's why it'd be cool.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Marvin]

Yes, Marvin, I know it's a different sport, but do you think LeBron saw Tom Brady do what he did at the age of 45 and he's thinking to himself, I could keep going.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, he could keep going. The problem is he's not going to win a championship unless he's just patting his stats. I like, Now I know you're getting paid $50 million. Hard to walk away and you get to play with your son again, because as long as you're on the roster, he's going to be on the roster. But I don't know what would motivate him to continue to play unless they really had a chance to win something.

[Jamal Crawford]

Yes, Marvin, but if this is what

[Marvin]

you've done since you were 10 years old and you could still do it at a relatively high level, why wouldn't you keep doing it? Michael Jordan's still looking for. For something to replace basketball.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. Why is Tom Brady not playing anymore?

[Marvin]

Gotta ask Tom. That's a great question.

[Dan Patrick]

He can still play. He probably could have played the last two years. He even talked about coming back. He probably saw Philip Rivers and he went, wait a minute. What are you doing? I can still play. And he probably. Your arm goes for guys who aren't mobile. You still got to rely on your arm. Philip never had a strong arm. Peyton Manning's arm went. Tom still has a strong arm. Yes, Dill.

[Dylan]

I think Tom, though, like, he decided to hang it up before it got, like, ugly. Ugly. Obviously, you know, that last season wasn't fantastic. He could have just won that Super Bowl. Tampa, you know, rode off in the sunset. Not unretired, but I think he was like, are these next two. If I play two more years, is it going to get better? Kind of like Barkley said? Probably not.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but same thing with LeBron, though.

[Dylan]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

In a game that's far more demanding for somebody who's that age of running up and down the floor.

[Dylan]

Is it physically? I mean, like, it's more demanding in that sense, but, I mean, playing football is a more taxing on your body sport. Maybe less so for quarterbacks.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Tom's not getting hit.

[Dylan]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

I mean, if he gets hit, you know, how many times is he really getting hit? LeBron's running. LeBron's chasing down guys who are 20. Tom's not chasing anybody. All he has to do is be in the shotgun and just dump the ball off. You throw an interception, go in a fetal position, you don't have to do anything. I mean, I'm kind of oversimplifying the position, but there's slightly more to it than that. But yeah, but LeBron wants to play in all the games and you know, he wants to be the most in shape player out there. Tom is not trying to fool anybody. LeBron wants to fool you. Hey, I can keep up with a 20 year old. I can still play at a high level, which he can. But if the goal is to be the goat in his mind, then you're not going to win another championship unless you go to Cleveland. You might have an easier path because the west is still going to be loaded. Yeah, Marvin.

[Marvin]

But I think at age 41, LeBron's legacy is already cemented. I don't think another championship helps his

[Dan Patrick]

goat case at this age to win a championship. I think it does.

[Marvin]

No, I don't think he's passing Michael Jordan.

[Dan Patrick]

I know that, but I still think he's. He has to do things that Michael never did.

[Marvin]

He's already doing things Michael never did.

[Dan Patrick]

I know, but he could still add to that by playing at a high level at this age. He's not, he's not going to win

[Marvin]

a championship, but I think that's the win right there. Playing at this level at age 41 and you're, you're losing to the best team in the NBA.

[Dan Patrick]

But see, he's going to get knocked for them, getting swept.

[Marvin]

Of course he's going to get more, he's going to get more blame than Joker did when he got eliminated in the first round.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. Yeah, and that's not fair. But that's, that's just. He knows that he's up against that. He's never ever going to be. And when you say his legacy is set. I don't know if his legacy is set. Is he the second greatest player of all time? Does he have the greatest resume, individual resume of anybody in history? Okay. It feels like LeBron would want more than that. He wants, I think in his mind he feels like he is the greatest player to ever play the game. I do feel that now he can't come out and say it, but even if he does, the Victory Tour, where NBA Entertainment, you know, collects all this footage and be. Yeah, well, Michael did it. So you're doing the same thing as him. Like he can't win with this. But what he's doing is pretty remarkable because he is. He has to play both. And you know, Tom's not playing defense. LeBron's got to play both ends of the floor. Yes.

[Todd]

Todd, if you're enjoying yourself and it's still. You're still doing it well, and you're not even close to embarrassing yourself and you could add onto your legacy even more, if nothing else but stats and all these different categories. So maybe no one ever touches those records ever. Or takes many, many years. Then why not do it? I do believe there's at least a small part where I could add that many more games and playoff games and points and everything else. No one's ever going to touch it. Just to make sure I'll do another year.

[Dan Patrick]

Are you taking a shot at me as to me retiring? Why should I retire?

[Jamal Crawford]

I am not.

[Todd]

If you want to put. Put yourself into that has nothing to do with you. This is specifically LeBron. And I'm just going to make the numbers speak so loudly. No one's going to touch any of these numbers ever.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Paul]

Pulling LeBron's past season, he had 60 starts, 33 minutes per game, averaged 217 and six down a little bit from the year before.

[Dan Patrick]

But he was the third option on that team. I Any. Any found a way to kind of reinvent himself that. That's really like Steph Curry might have to do this where he's the second or third option on a team coming up. I mean, they got to find those players. The Lakers at leave at least have Austin Reeves, they have Luca. Golden State doesn't have that. You mean Jimmy Butler is not a number one option? Let me see. David in Ohio. Hi, David. What's on your mind today?

[Guy Fiore]

Hey, what's up, Dan? You guys are talking about the pegging. I got a fun idea on how to fix it. Why don't you just line up all the. All the owners of the teams worst record to best and put them at the free throw line and just have them shoot a basket. If they make it, they get that pick. If they don't, they gotta loop back around, put it on tv, televised. It'd be good entertainment.

[Dan Patrick]

So thank you, David. I'll bring it up to the commissioner when I talk to him. All right, we'll take a break. Jamal Crawford set to join us. Where is Jamal Todd?

[Todd]

Jamal Crawford is still in Minneapolis because he was part of last night's broadcast. So he'll join us for mini.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, we'll talk to Jamal Crawford. He was there when Wemby got tossed. Does he think there's further discipline. Coming up for wemby. Take a break. Back after this.

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I really had to make a decision because I caught myself getting that frog in my throat and starting to get teary as I'm narrating some of these sections and it's like, okay, yo, yo yo, is this indulgent? And I really thought about it. I was like, no. At this point it would kind of be betraying the trust the author and the listener have in telling this story if I don't go through it. But there's places in this book that that deeply, emotionally affected me and I left it on the mic. That's great because it served the story. People will say like oh my God, I cried at the end. It's like, yeah dude, me too.

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Listen to Irsay, the Audible and iHeart audiobook club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dan Patrick]

Jamal Crawford on the call last night, Game four, Mike Cherico, Reggie Miller on NBC and Peacock for the spurs and the Timberwolves. Also, he'll be on the call in San Antonio Game five. That'll be a tip off at eight Eastern on Tuesday. Great to talk to you again. Let me Start at the end and work our way back. Do you think Victor Wembanyama will be suspended for game five?

[Jamal Crawford]

No, I do not think he'll be suspended. He. He definitely should have been ejected for the. The shot he gave yesterday, but I don't think he's suspended for game five. You. What do you think?

[Dan Patrick]

I think if David Stern was the commissioner, okay, But I. I wouldn't be surprised if he's fined. But I think the fact that it took place in the second quarter, if it took place in the fourth quarter with four minutes to go, then I could see him be suspended for game five.

[Jamal Crawford]

So. So why do you think if Stern was the commissioner, that happens and not right now?

[Dan Patrick]

Because I think we look at this and we want Wemby to play. David Sturge famously scolded me when the Phoenix Suns Amari Stoudemire got suspended for getting off the bench, when Steve Nash got crashed into. Into the scores table. And I said, but Stoud Meyer didn't do anything. And he said he got off the bench. Now listen to me. And then he scolded me like, I don't care if you're a star or not. I have to. I'm the commissioner. And therefore I. I think he. He would have a different look at this because in slow motion, it doesn't look good at all. That Wemby, that was excessive. He wanted. He wanted to take somebody out. Was there anything that led up to this in your mind that you could see, not warrant it, but understand, you know, his frustration?

[Jamal Crawford]

It's funny you say that, because I may have given him the. The announcers jinx, because I just praised him for how he was handling, you know, getting. Getting pushed and all the extra stuff getting thrown to the ground. And I understand, like Minnesota side, you want to keep their best player frustrated or at least try to frustrate him. And he hadn't shown any emotion all series or really all playoffs in that way. So it could have been, you know, things that led up to it, for sure. But that. That was not a good look and not what we expected.

[Dan Patrick]

But this is why you have somebody on your roster who can go in and protect you. This happens in hockey all the time. It happens in basketball. Tim Duncan was never going to go after somebody, but he had somebody to do that for him. Michael Jordan didn't go after the Pistons. He had somebody do that for him. I think that's the important part is. And that's where Mitch Johnson, the Spurs head coach, I think is wrong to say, hey, I Understand it? No, this is a playoff game that, like, let somebody else bang up Anthony Edwards, if that's what you want to do, to send a message. I can't have my best player and the most important player on the floor getting caught up in something like this

[Jamal Crawford]

to kind of have that enforcer, that security. Huh? I said that last, well, two years ago. I think it was with okc. They saw Chat and I'm like, well, no, they kind of need to go through this to see what they do need later on. And I'm sure these guys are going through this process and still can win it, but still, you're right. Maybe get that enforcer. Somebody's going to bring that, like, no, no, no. We're not going for that at all. You know that. To the roster as well.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I just think that that's. They. I got to keep them on the floor.

[Jamal Crawford]

Yeah, you have to. I mean, he, he does so many things. Well, as soon as he went off the court, Minnesota was like, oh, free ice cream. This is just. I can go to the paint anytime I feel like it, you know, And Cornette did a great job as well. Not the same level as Wemby, but it, it was like drastic. Like, okay, soon as he goes off the court, we're going in there to get paint points at all costs.

[Dan Patrick]

What is it about Anthony Edwards that we really only care about his game in the post season, that I don't think he's a tune in or regular season guy, but, man, he has these moments in the postseason where you go, damn, he is different.

[Jamal Crawford]

He's different. He's one of the most competitive people I've seen to be that young. I mean, obviously we know he's been through so much in life, but he has that, like, that grit, that toughness, that mental fortitude, and he just, he wants it. He wants it. He wants to be one of the greats and he understands the responsibility. And one thing I love about Ant is his authenticity. You never feel like he's just saying something to say it. Whatever he says, he feels he stands on it. And I think his guys, his teammates know that. Like I saw yesterday, I think IO got a and one late and he turned the bench. Like I told you, I told you. Almost like he saw something on the court. Like, no, I trust him too. And he, he's amazing. Like, he, he, he can go in tight spots, almost like a jet. He just takes off and he's not even all the way healthy right now.

[Dan Patrick]

Right.

[Jamal Crawford]

But his grit and his heart, he Had a moment where he's like, I'm just going to take over this game. We will not lose this game. And he, he did what he had to do to tie this thing up.

[Dan Patrick]

But I hate when we do this. You know, he kind of reminds me of Michael Jordan. I'm like, okay, he's not Michael Jordan. No, no one is Michael Jordan.

[Jamal Crawford]

No one's Michael Jordan.

[Dan Patrick]

Now you can have some traits, right, that Mike may have, like sga, man, he reminds me of Jordan where, you know, you can score. He's not Michael Jordan.

[Jamal Crawford]

I, I have a problem with that. Just from the standpoint. Michael Jordan to me is the greatest to ever play basketball, right? And it's not even a question. But with that, we throw his name around so easily. If this guy reminds me of Michael Jordan, well, this is like he's the final frontier. There's a bunch of other stages and guys you can refer to besides referring to the last, like, frontier. Because now we start looking at him and, and we look at the player a little sideways too. We may not appreciate the player we're looking at because we keep hearing the Michael Jordan comparisons, you know what I mean? So we should appreciate this guy as well.

[Dan Patrick]

Talking to Jamal Crawford, he was on the call last night with the spurs and Timberwolves going to San Antonio for tomorrow night, 8 Eastern on NBC. And Peacock, you think LeBron retires? Any chance he retires after their next loss?

[Jamal Crawford]

I hope not. And the reason being he's done so much for the game and we've, we've grown to know him and his, everything about him just by how famous he is the last 25 years, right? Since he was in high school. And I would just hope that he goes out and really receives the love he's, you know, shown to everybody all over the world. He can be appreciated in that way.

[Dylan]

I don't.

[Jamal Crawford]

I think it'll be like crazy just to go out quietly and like, now I'm retiring now, like, no, like, get all the love you possibly can because you deserve it. And look at the level he's still playing at. I mean, to be a 41 year old man and still I'm telling. I played three days in four days. I played three times in four days the other day, then I was trash. The last day I couldn't even walk. I was like, man, it took me forever to try to get loose. So what he's doing is like on a whole nother level. And I hope he's appreciated in that way. With the end being closer than the Beginning.

[Dan Patrick]

Why would he come back?

[Jamal Crawford]

Love of the game. You can just tell how much he loves it. He still gets pissed off if. If something small happens. And I'm not saying, like, in a way of condemning a teammate, but in a way of caring. Like, he still cares so much about everything. Everything. I hear he's still the first one in the gym. He's still preparing, you know, like he's a youngster just starting out. So that just tells me how much he loves the game. So I think that's why he would come back. Why do you. Why do you think he would come back or. Or not come back?

[Dan Patrick]

Well, I wonder. You come back to a team. It's rare. When he had the feeling of his team can't win the championship. Right. In his entire career, there was always the man. You know, we could get to the finals in just about every stop. I think he's got to look at the west and be honest. When you look at the spurs and look at okc, you're. You're not on their level. And even if Luka was healthy, you're just. You're not on their level right now, and it's not going to get any better. But I do think. I think he's going to go out and he's going to do a documentary on his final year.

[Jamal Crawford]

I think I can see that.

[Dan Patrick]

I just think he'll. He's not going to go out quietly. It's not going to be one of those, oh, LeBron retired. I think he wants. He wants to get his flowers, and I have no problem with that.

[Jamal Crawford]

But, Dan, we. We didn't know the Last Dance was being recorded in that last year either. You know, like, I mean, you probably knew being inside, but I know I

[Dan Patrick]

saw the NBA Entertainment crew following Michael, and I even asked the head of NBA Entertainment, and I said, what. What is this used for? And he said that Michael wanted it, but I never thought it was going to be used in, you know, a documentary. But I did see these guys. I think Michael Thompson's son, her brother, I should say, was a cameraman. Was a cameraman. Yeah. So I would see him and I'd be like, what are you guys doing? And they were just. They were just filming. But I never. Never knew. I never knew what was going on. And even those who did know didn't really know. They're like, I don't know.

[Jamal Crawford]

Would you be disappointed if he did go out without, like, getting those flowers? Just from your standpoint, or would you rather have.

[Dan Patrick]

I wouldn't be Disappointed, I would be surprised. Like, you do what you need to do for you. It feels like LeBron is going to want to make stops in every city and whether he plays one year, two more years, you know, because as long as he's on the roster, Bronnie's on the roster, and I think he wants to, you know, show that nobody will be able to do what I've done.

[Jamal Crawford]

Right.

[Dan Patrick]

They're not going to put up, you know, 22, 23, 24 years in this sport where Tom Brady, you can play quarterback, but you're not playing defense.

[Jamal Crawford]

Right.

[Dan Patrick]

I mean, LeBron is keeping up with 20 year olds.

[Jamal Crawford]

Yeah, we'll, we'll never see anything like this from a longevity standpoint. A dominance of longevity. Like, I don't think we see anything, anything like this. I even went back. I think since his sophomore year of high school, he's averaged 25 or more points every year. Except like three. Like, it's ridiculous. Three or four maybe in the last, you know, 25, 26 years, whatever it is, like, he's, we'll never see anything like this. So that's why I hope he gets his, his flowers the right way.

[Dan Patrick]

And imagine averaging this, scoring that, and not being a great shooter, not even

[Jamal Crawford]

being a great, like a scorer, like not, not, not being a great score. Not being somebody who plays to score first. Anyway. Think about that.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, the James Harden. How do we write the history of James Harden?

[Jamal Crawford]

That's going to be interesting because there's no denying what he did in his prime, in his prime run of Houston during the course of a regular season, his dominance, like he had, like he, in some ways he had mastered the game. Like in some ways in the regular season, then the playoffs, the struggle came, and that's why it's such a stark contrast. Would you rather have a guy like Wade who didn't have the same peak regular seasons but had more playoff success, or would you say, you know what, over the course of six months, this guy dominated and then it just didn't go well the last month or whatever.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, I'd rather be D. Wade.

[Jamal Crawford]

You rather be D. Wade?

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I think Harden is absolutely fascinating, but why he changed the game.

[Jamal Crawford]

He did. There's no denying that. He changed the game.

[Dan Patrick]

And you knew he was going to score. He knew he would tell you, I'm going to go right there and I'm going to do a step back jumper. You know, when you're scoring 36 and also throwing, you know, handing out 11 assists. I mean, that's impre. He's built for the regular season. He's just not a playoff performer. And D. Wade was.

[Jamal Crawford]

What's crazy about Harden is what position do you even put him at when it's all. When the all time list comes out, Is he going as a point? Does he go as a 2? Like, he was so skilled and is so skilled. He's the true definition of a combo guard because he literally could do both at that level. It's just the playoffs never. It never looked like the regular season.

[Dan Patrick]

What are the Knicks doing that they didn't do previously?

[Todd]

Hmm.

[Jamal Crawford]

I think they're a little more diverse of how they're using Brunson. To me, they're using Brunson how AI was used in Philly and they got him off the ball some, they moved him around, then they got him in, you know, pick and roll situations. Obviously, we know the playoffs slow down and you want the ball in your best player's hands, but they're a little less predictable and they're playing a little more free, it seems, to be honest with you. And I think Tibbs gave them a lot of freedom. I think Tibbs is a heck of a coach and he did an unbelievable job with him. But right now I, I think they're playing a little more free and I think that he's a little more diverse in how he's being used himself.

[Dan Patrick]

I find him fascinating though.

[Jamal Crawford]

Brunson.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Jamal Crawford]

Why?

[Dan Patrick]

He just, he, he moves in tight circles. Like he's really good in a tight area of, of just getting that split second less than that separation there. He doesn't strike me as. He's like a left handed Chris Paul where he, he just finds areas not the quickest, not the fastest, can't jump the highest like Chris Paul, but he, he just knows how to play the game.

[Jamal Crawford]

I think both of those guys, they play to their smarts first and then they're like. With Brunson, his footwork takes over. He's not playing to his footwork, he's playing to his smarts. Okay, let me see. Okay. You played me that way. You kept me left. Okay, now I'm gonna go left the first time, the second time I'll go left and counter like he's reading everything you're doing. So I think he's playing towards that. First he puts his mind in the game first and then he's just picking you apart. And then he becomes a post player because he plays 15ft in. He starts catching at the free Throw line. He'll jab, step, shoot. He'll jab, step, bump you. And he's even better. Most people with physicality, they get sped up. He's better with physicality because he can feel you and he knows where you're at, so he knows how to counter you. And then you have shooting around him. Cats playing better. OG Is out right now, but those guys, and I think they understand the pressure. Like, think about what people are saying about Mike Brown. Well, he has to go to the finals. If he doesn't go the finals, it's a terrible season. So, you know, I think that. And if the Knicks are going to do it, I think this is truly their chance. No, Boston, right. They're out who everybody had. Being there, the, the best team in the east for most of the year, I thought they would go the furthest. Detroit is, Is in a dog fight right now. So this is the Knicks best chance.

[Dan Patrick]

Why is Steve Kerr coming back to this roster?

[Jamal Crawford]

Steph Curry. I, I think, I think Steph, I think sometimes it's bigger than just. I mean, think about it. He's won four championships. I believe three or four. And I think it is four. He just. It could be bigger than basketball. That could be something like, you know what? Steph signed up for this. I'm married to him. As far as just my relationship goes. Draymond. Same thing. Like, I think. And he loves the coach. Like, just watching him go on games, talking to him, you know, pregame. He still has that zest for coaching like he loves. And he would be unbelievable in tv, as we know, or executive. He's done all those things. But, But I think coaching is what really, that competitive fabric, that's the part that's lost when you're not in that space.

[Dan Patrick]

But you know you're not going to win. They.

[Jamal Crawford]

You do.

[Dan Patrick]

They're a play in team.

[Jamal Crawford]

But, But Steve Kerr has won seven championships total. He's, he's, he's had his fair share of winning two. Dan.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but you get caught up in it. Like, you don't go, hey, I've won so much, I don't care if I win. When you win, I don't think you can turn it off and go, eh, I'm okay now.

[Jamal Crawford]

You don't turn it off. But maybe you sign you. You find beauty in something else. Think about Steph. This is a guy who is out there actually competing. Draymond. Same thing. He could easily be like, you know what? My last four or five years, I want to go somewhere else and Have a chance to win every single year. But his loyalty may have rubbed off on everybody else in the, in the organization. It's almost like the spurs with Tim Duncan. If Pop killed Tim Duncan, he killed anybody. If Tim Duncan can be this beacon of light for this organization, you know, Steph is doing that. Steph, we talk about changing the game. Like he's, he is absolute. The way he changed the game will outlive him because his effect has been unbelievable.

[Dan Patrick]

Your son already got a scholarship offer. What is he, a freshman in high school?

[Jamal Crawford]

He has 15, actually. Yeah, he's a freshman in high school, which is crazy.

[Dan Patrick]

So crazy. So Penny Hardaway reached out and gave him a scholarship.

[Jamal Crawford]

He did. And that was full circle for me, because this whole time, even when he was a kid, I'm like, if you could just study one player, I would just have you, you know, be Penny Hardaway. So in my thinking, when I was working with him and training him, even to this day, and I've told him this, it was Penny because I thought Penny played the game in such an effortless way and his feel for the game was next level. So I've been watching film with my son since he was in fifth, sixth grade and all those things. So getting that actual offer was like, wow. That one kind of stopped me for a second.

[Dan Patrick]

Wow.

[Jamal Crawford]

Yeah. Crazy.

[Dan Patrick]

But to study Penny and, and not somebody else.

[Jamal Crawford]

Yeah, no, we study a lot of people. But if it could just be one person, because I knew he'd be a tall guard. It was Penny. I thought, I thought, if you think about it, after Magic, I thought Penny was going to be like the next. Oh, yeah, here's the baton. Magic, you know, you're passing the baton to the next great tall point guard. And Penny came with that, that, that heat and the way he played and his feel and his personality. And then I had the opportunity to play with him in New York as well. So that one, I was like, whoa. Like, that one really caught me off guard. Dan, nobody, even the high schools around my, my local city didn't know my name at 15 years old. So to see where this thing is going is crazy.

[Dan Patrick]

If I had an NBA analyst one on one tournament who wins, I should ask you that.

[Jamal Crawford]

I can't vote for myself. Right. So I would say no, you can. I can.

[Dan Patrick]

You think that you, you're the best analyst as far as talent go. I don't even know how to label it.

[Jamal Crawford]

Yeah. How to describe it? No, I, I wouldn't say that part. I'm not. I love Reggie because I'm next to him. I learned from him so much. Tim Legler, rj There's a lot of good people out there, but I think the advantage I have if I was state my case not as the best, but just were for my case to be in that tournament, to win.

[Dan Patrick]

To win

[Jamal Crawford]

is. I think I can. I think I can do a pretty good job of bridging this era with the era that came before me. I can kind of intertwine them because I played against John Stockton, I played against Luca. So I seen how the games kind of evolved. And I remember I come from a time where the. The off the dribble three was the worst shot in basketball. Don't ever take that shot. To seeing it now be the biggest weapon. So I see both of them. Who would be up there for you? I'm not saying I'm the best. I'm just saying to be in the tournament. I won't say to win it, to even qualify.

[Dan Patrick]

How about.

[Jamal Crawford]

Who do you like?

[Dan Patrick]

How would Tracy McGrady do?

[Jamal Crawford]

He'd do great. But he doesn't. He doesn't call. You talking about calling games? I'm sorry.

[Dan Patrick]

Just being an analyst.

[Jamal Crawford]

Oh, TMac is really good. Yeah. Ab. Absolutely.

[Show Announcer]

Melo,

[Dan Patrick]

Vince Carter, all those guys are great.

[Jamal Crawford]

And. And they're obviously hall of Famers, but they also know how to communicate. Communicate the game in a simple way that anybody can understand.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. This isn't about being a good analyst. I'm talking about playing one on one here.

[Jamal Crawford]

Oh, you're talking about one on one.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, in their primer.

[Marvin]

Like right now.

[Dan Patrick]

Right now.

[Jamal Crawford]

Oh, I win.

[Dan Patrick]

Are you kidding me? Okay, okay.

[Jamal Crawford]

I thought you talking about actually analyzing the game.

[Dan Patrick]

No, I don't care about that. I'm talking. I'm talking about playing hoops.

[Jamal Crawford]

Who do you. Hold on one second, one second, one second.

[Dan Patrick]

Jamal Crawford, hotel room in Minnesota.

[Jamal Crawford]

And I have my hoop shoes on the road.

[Dan Patrick]

They come with me. Are you kidding me? Are you breaking ankles or spraining ankles?

[Jamal Crawford]

Well, I've gotten nicer as I got. No. So now I'm just spraying them. I'll spray them and say, are you all right?

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Jamal Crawford]

Watch out. I may say that move's coming. Like I've gotten nicer. Unless they start talking trash and then it's over.

[Dan Patrick]

So you think you could take Tracy McGrady one on one right now, today? Yeah. Yeah.

[Jamal Crawford]

I'd be t. Mac.

[Dan Patrick]

Vince. Vince Carter.

[Jamal Crawford]

I would beat everybody right now.

[Dan Patrick]

Everybody. Every analyst in. In the NBA.

[Jamal Crawford]

I still play all the time.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. All right.

[Jamal Crawford]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

All right.

[Jamal Crawford]

Who do you think wins?

[Dan Patrick]

I. I don't know. I'd have to see these guys walking around.

[Jamal Crawford]

Oh, okay. That. It's the walk that does it.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, I'm gonna know if how you're doing.

[Jamal Crawford]

You're like, my kids, if I try to give some new food and they smell it first, I'm like, that's not

[Dan Patrick]

gonna affect the taste. You know that, right? Oh, we'll talk soon. Thank you, buddy. That's Jamal Crawford. Yeah. He's waxing poetic about these guys. I'm like, I don't care how you call a game. I want to see you guys play one on one. One on one. Draymond would want to get in on this conversation to say that he could beat everybody.

[Marvin]

No, not against Jamal Crawford.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, we'll take a break. Last call for phone calls after this.

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[Kal Penn]

hey everyone, it's Cal Penn. I'm the host of Irsay The Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast, I am sitting down with Ray Porter, the narrator of Andy Weir's audiobook project, Hail Mary Massive sci fi adventure about survival and science and what happens when you wake up alone, very far from Earth.

[Ray Porter]

I really had to make a decision because I caught myself getting that frog in my throat and starting to get teary as I'm narrating some of these sections and it's like, okay, yo, yo, yo, is this indulgent? And I really thought about it. I was like, no. At this point it would kind of be betraying the trust the author and the listener have in telling this story if I don't go through it. But there's places in this book that that deeply, emotionally affected me. And I left it on the mic. That's great because it served the story. People will say like, oh my God, I cried at the end. It's like, yeah, dude, me too.

[Kal Penn]

Listen to Irsay the Audible and I Heart Audiobook Club on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Dan Patrick]

Last call for phone calls. Reggie Miller on the program tomorrow. What we learned Guy in Vegas. Hi Guy. What's on your mind today?

[Guy Fiore]

Hey. Hey, Dan. How you guys doing? Good, good. So I've got a name for you. Okay, my name is Guy Fiore from Las Vegas and I had an incident where I forgot to make a Christmas Eve reservation for seven people and I called a well known steakhouse here in Vegas begging for a reservation. I used. I had the hostess or host ask if she could call me back. Once I gave her my name, the manager called me back the next day, said, hey, I just need your credit card? No problem. Gave my credit card and then turned around. He goes, do you mind if I use your name on the reservation? And I went, oh,

[Dan Patrick]

did you still. Did you still take the reservation?

[Guy Fiore]

No. They had moved some people around to kind of shoot shoehorn me in. And I said, don't worry about it. I'll figure it out. Give those people back their reservations.

[Dan Patrick]

All right. Well, not Guy Fieri. Guy Fiore. Thank you, Guy. Denny in Portland. Hi, Denny. What's on your mind today?

[Guy Fiore]

Morning. DP hey, I'm calling about you giving your speech, your daughter's wedding. I had the same similar thing. I have twin daughters, and my one daughter was getting married, and I was practicing my speech. I'm very emotional, just like you. And every time I think about it, I do the crying thing. And I was in law enforcement for many years before I retired. I made the mistake of telling one of the guys I work with that I was having trouble with the speech and yada, yada, yada. And so we get into roll call, and he goes, hey, why don't you give us a speech you're gonna give your daughter at your daughter's wedding? And I kind of froze. And I thought, okay, you know, had it written down on a piece of paper. And I started to get through it, started crying, and somebody said, do it again. And they did that for about five or six times. And I finally made it through without crying for the most part. And, you know, I was kind of mad at him, but it was. It worked.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but here's the problem. Now they're expecting me to cry. And if I don't cry, people will probably be disappointed if I don't cry. This day in sports history.

[Paul]

Paul, right on cue, off last week in 1977, the owner of the Braves, Ted Turner, went down and managed one

[Dan Patrick]

game once that they had lost 16 in a row. He took over, they lost to the Pirates. And then Major League Baseball said Ted Turner can't manage any future games. Willie Mays got traded on this date to the New York Mets, $50,000 and a pitcher named Charlie Williams.

[Todd]

How do you trade Willie Mays? How does that happen?

[Dan Patrick]

How do you trade? Sell Babe Ruth?

[Todd]

It's insane.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, Todd. Alrighty. Go around the room. Oh, it is Notre Dame, usc, in negotiations of keeping this rivalry alive in football.

[Paul]

Yeah, a couple years down the road, but it's. There's morsels.

[Marvin]

It might happen.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. All right, Todd, what'd you learn today?

[Todd]

Tyrese Maxey dropped many. It sucks. When asked about all the Knicks fans taking over the Sixers arena, making it feel like they were at Madison Square Garden.

[Dan Patrick]

Dylan Lawn Ball Lamello's son Marvin.

[Marvin]

You like skill more than luck.

[Paul]

Paul spraining ankles.

[Dan Patrick]

Good to be back. Thanks for your phone calls, emails, tweets, the all around support. Reggie Miller will stop by tomorrow. Hope you join us as well for the entire crew. Have a great day everybody.

[Marvin]

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