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Dan Patrick
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Dan Patrick
You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. Greg Sankey, SEC Commissioner, kind enough to join us. Been kind of busy here in the off season. Never stops for you. Recap what happened last week? Give me the Cliff Notes version.
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Greg Sankey
Spent a lot of time in overly air conditioned meeting rooms in Destin, Florida with athletics directors, head coaches, football, men's women's basketball, and our presidents and chancellors talked about our football schedule, the College Football Playoff, potential settlement of a set of lawsuits that would introduce a revenue sharing model to college sports. And we talked about any other number of issues like our softball tournament location that are probably more mundane game than you want to jump into on a Monday morning. But happy to talk about softball and gymnastics championship locations for the conference if you'd like.
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Dan Patrick
Well, that's why I wanted to have you on. But let's get some of these ancillary things out of the way like okay, let me start with basketball and then we'll get to football. The discussions of 72, 76 teams. Any, any discussion from the SEC portion of this.
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Greg Sankey
I introduced the issue to our men's basketball coaches, which I think we've talked about with that group before. I would guess, Dan, given the other issues we have on our plate, that, that, that conversation maybe lasted five minutes. My points to them were this is still a work in progress. I didn't know that there was going to be kind of a press gathering. This is not a criticism. Charlie Baker spoke about tournament expansion. I think the day after our basketball coaches gathered, I mentioned it to our women's basketball coaches as well briefly. Didn't, didn't really go anywhere. And so my, my, my introduction was, I just want you to be aware, probably towards the end of the month this will come up. I said my view is I think we should be exploring tournament expansion. Whether or not it happens is actually another point of evaluation. So have the conversation deep dive, figure out if it works practically competitively, economically. I think the one issue for us is if it is expanded, let's pick the number of 76 and I'll do quick math for you. So 52 of the 76 teams would be like in that traditional first round. The other 24 would play in 12 games of 12 winners meet up with the 52. There's your 64 team bracket. Right. That's, that's like from my intramural director days at Utica. That's how I know how brackets work. I'm really interested and we're interested as a in a league is who fills those 12 games, those other 24 teams. The the kind of Dayton model if you will which is a men's basketball side is it's a combination of the lowest AQs, the lowest rated AQs kind of by placement of the committee and then the the last out large teams in and I kind of pivot to look north looked to North Carolina state last year 11 seed they were an AQ, but they went to the final four. And it's just kind of an indication that competitively those top 50 or so teams, you know things fall right, injuries heal, can make really good runs. So I'm not one who thinks we should just follow the Dayton model automatically have expanded if expansion takes place. So that that was my reference to our coaches.
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Dan Patrick
When are decisions made or voted on for expansion for the college football playoffs?
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Greg Sankey
That's a good question. You buy agreement the outer boundary is November 30th, December 1st of this year for the 26 playoff. Now keep in mind when we went to 12 teams the board said that'll be the format for 2026. Let's start early if we can which we obviously did I think did overall in a successful way. But what was introduced immediately is let's go through these two years and conduct an evaluation. So we're in that evaluation standpoint. A lot of talk about really 14 or 16 I think 12 is known as is kind of a foundation point. But the conversation is about 14 or 16 and then how are teams selected or place into whatever size bracket exists is the more the headline question.
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Dan Patrick
Okay, but what model do you like?
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Greg Sankey
Well I've been one who said over time I'd give no allocation. So this whole 57 thing that exists now I just make it the 12 best teams and I was clear on that. Now when we get into rooms we make political compromises if you will small P not like Congress political compromises but to achieve an outcome.
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Dan Patrick
But who decides on the top 12 teams?
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Greg Sankey
Selection committee. Yeah but I I here's what I think. I think we've not we spent so much time expanding and working through our own little side arguments about teams and oh, we can't do this. We need this. You got to protect this bowl game or that ball game. We never went back to the essence of decision making which is how our team selected as everyone relocated over the last four or Five years. Do the analyses that existed and worked for the 14 playoff in 2014 still have the same relevance? And we're behind that curve, in my opinion. That's why other ideas are introduced and considered. And we've looked at ideas. You know, this allocation of. It's called automatic bids. That's, that's such a harsh term. I think allocations is one where I like that word because we've already, we already allocated. Look at last year. We had two teams not in the top four that get to move up because of the political compromise. We have a team outside the 12 that moves in, and then the teams that are displaced look around and say, hey, wait a second, that doesn't make any sense any longer. That introduces the questions around should that model continue or should that allocation model expand where other teams are brought in?
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Dan Patrick
Talking to Greg Sankey, SEC commissioner, we've talked about this before. You know, given the scheduling and hotel rooms and travel of receding after the first round of games, can it. Is that on the table at all anymore?
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Greg Sankey
Well, not really receding because almost, what, a week and a half ago for the 25 season, this college Football Playoff management committee, which is the commissioners and the Notre Dame athletic director, agreed to just go to straight seating by ranking. So the movement of teams outside the top four into the top four, that won't happen in 2025. You're gonna, you're gonna get what you earn. Same for home games. We've not gone back into the receding question. And Dan, if you go back to June of 21, which was like ancient history in college Sports when the 12 team model was introduced, and we went back through this about a month ago with everybody involved on that management committee, one of the questions was, should we be in rece. We never really got back to that because you remember the SEC had this little expansion to 16. Great disruption in the force. Then we had 22 and expansion of the Big Ten. So we waited around for a year. Now we've been in hurry up mode since. So we haven't talked so much about receding as we did just about honoring the, the rankings in the bracket.
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Dan Patrick
Help me understand. You know, the report on Cooper Flag is he made close to $30 million his one year at D. That's, that's nil. Help me understand, as the athlete moves forward, of the salaries and nil and any restrictions, any compromises that will be there for these, that's marquee athletes, let's call them.
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Greg Sankey
Without commenting on the Cooper flag story, I, I haven't seen that and you know nobody's sending me financial documents to verify as you can imagine in this environment. A couple points. One is this settlement that's positioned in a set of lawsuits has great impact on the answer to your question. If the settlement is approved for the first time at the college level and really quite innovative in the sports realm would be the process for overseeing third party name, image and likeness to establish there's an appropriate range of compensation and fair market excuse me and real business purposes fulfill around name, image and likeness deals. That's not like novel. It just hasn't existed. As we've gone on this state by state exploration of kind of reducing any regulatory system for college sports, nil. So I think that that's the first step and that's one component third party name, image and likeness. The second is what I think will be kind of a name, image and likeness activity within a revenue sharing model where athletic programs are providing that payment directly to student athletes. That can be a better system. There has to be a commitment to make it work. And I still am one who thinks the notion of having 50 different state laws governing is highly problematic. You're not going to have college World Series. You can't run final fours and national championships that way. You run something more like high school championships where every state kind of walls off it's and establishes its own rules. And I think that has to be understood as a significant point of concern. That's why the return of national standards and the congressional conversation still has meaning.
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Dan Patrick
What would stop me as a businessman if I wanted the top quarterback in college football to come to Alabama and I want to give him $25 million.
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Greg Sankey
A year right now there hasn't been a lot is this is the states migrate away from any oversight of their own laws or any regulation. If the settlement is approved, I go back to that third party oversight and it would depend on your classification. Assuming you have some affiliation you've provided money donations to the university involved. You then kick into this third party and I'll oversight and the ability for somebody to be deemed at an appropriate real business purpose and range of compensation level would be involved. And if it doesn't, there'll be an opportunity to adjust your offer.
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Dan Patrick
I would love for conferences or maybe there's somebody who can be like the NFL has somebody who does the scheduling. Like I would love. You know we might lose Notre Dame and usc. Like I'm. I don't know, maybe I'm the get off my lawn the old guy. But you know, can you Come up with scheduling that we don't lose. Texas versus Oklahoma or whatever. Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, I should say. I gotta want to lose these. We don't have many left and I don't know if college football could ever have a schedule overseer. So we do have marquee matchups. This is, this is entertainment. It's tv, non conference. You know, what do you think of that?
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Greg Sankey
I think a couple things. Let's go back to the college football playoffs. So I've been the recipient of plenty kind of side comments about good at the game, whatever that means. And when programs like when Wake Forest notifies Ole Miss the day before their first game of a home and home series that we're not playing the one back in Oxford, that's a problem. When, when Nebraska cancels an agreement to play Tennessee home and home and cites, and I'm not criticizing their athletic director, this is a reality cites the College Football Playoff selection process as a fundamental reason why we have to understand the College Football Playoff selection process is threatening the regular season, not supporting it. Remember all those conversations people had about hey, if you expand the playoff, you're going to diminish the regular season. I think there is something to that. I just think everybody missed that the regular season was being changed by the College Football Playoff. So point one is whether people agree or not. I think the first issue that has to be addressed is the selection criteria incentivizing playing these highly competitive, highly desired games, whether that's non conference or conference. That's one. The second is I think conferences coming together to facilitate this scheduling is important and I'll just take ourselves. We facilitate four end of year non conference games. Last week of the season. We've had schools actually leave our league and come back and we facilitated those games when, when they've wanted to play. So I think from my perspective, I'm happy for a coordinated conversation to try to get scheduling right. But I do think you have to go back to. At the forefront of everyone's mind is how decisions about the post season are going to be made. And Dan, that's a point I've made more subtly than of late and more directly in the most recent comments because I do think that leads the agenda of what must be addressed in college football. Scheduling is how this postseason selection guides people's thinking.
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Dan Patrick
Give me the one thing that keeps you up at night that has to do with where we're, where we are or where we're headed.
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Greg Sankey
If I could, if I like, if I could have one thing to keep me up at night, I'd sleep like a baby again. So let's just stick like that. I would, I would be out like a light. I wake up every day on issues around the relationship with our student athletes. And that's both the economic relationship, I'm concerned about the lifelong impact about the, the amount of money that flows into somebody's life when the emot maturity may not be there. You know, how do you go take a $50,000 entry level job and we run these ads that 98% of the people on the athletic fields or courts or tracks are going pro in something else and you've had your, your own personal economics or value inflated. How do you, how do you learn those lifelong lessons? I think the transfer environment is linked to that, perhaps the inability to walk through some of the difficult moments in life. Hey, it's not every transfer is a problematic transfer. And I speak of somebody who transferred a couple times. You're trying to figure it out, especially if you're a first generation college student. Like you don't have somebody pulling you aside and helping you understand, hey, maybe if you stick it out, build your legacy in one place, receive some economic benefit, have educational and relational continuity, you come out as a more prepared adult for what's next in life. The combination of those factors, the economic relationship, the transfer decisions, and then the lifelong impacts that come from that, that we're not going to know for a while, those are at the top of what keeps me up at night.
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Dan Patrick
I propose this, well to myself, but on, on my show probably 10 years ago, that if you have players who are coming to school because they think they're going to be a professional athlete, can you have some kind of curriculum that helps them with investing, balancing a checkbook, real estate, things, taxes, things that have to do that are, you know, the history of Mesopotamia, while I took the course, hasn't helped me today. But if you're taking something that does prepare you and college is supposed to prepare you, if I go to college and we have, you know, some kind of symbiotic relationship of I'm coming to use you, you're using me, I don't have any interest in staying in school, but can you help them with things that will help them in what they want to do?
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Greg Sankey
A few points like I studied the Mesopotamian thing and had the same reaction. Then I went to the British Museum and there's a section on Mesopotamia and I'm like, hey, I, I read about this when I was 14 or something like that. That's one second I think if it's, if it's only in life, do what you want and not challenge you to broaden your horizons, I lose an opportunity to help young people grow. So I would never suggest we just walk away from a broad educational experience. Third, sure, could we pivot? And there are plenty of electives or plenty of ways to learn, but our athletics departments provide pretty deep financial literacy programs. In fact, I've debated with current student athletes like, should I not pay taxes right now on my earnings and weight and pay it at the end of the year and then go into quarterly tax payments for kind of 1099 work so that I can invest that money? I'm talking about 19 and 20 year olds in business classes and taking financial literacy classes through their athletics department. It's not the lack of provision of education information and context. The people involved have to receive that, whether it's Mesopotamia real estate deals or how to balance your checkbook. It's not just that the educational opportunity and information is provided. They have a responsibility to understand. They have to consume that information, internalize it and use it. And I would say, too, for the people around the student athlete, for the young person involved in college athletics, you know, the notion that what's happening around nil payments just continues all the way through life, I think can be kind of a perceived pot of gold at the end of a rainbow, that it's just going to continue. And I think we all know that hard work, dedication, perseverance, taking a risk here and there, betting on yourself, those are the things through the next 40 years of life that set you up for success. Not that defined area between, you know, 18 and 22. In fact, there's a John Grisham novel called Bleachers about a high school football player. And I'll paraphrase one of the lines in this novel, and hey, it's a novel, but it's pretty wise. Which is the worst thing that can happen to somebody is they become the biggest deal ever when they're 18 or 19 years old, because there's a whole lifetime ahead of you Big 12 ACC.
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Dan Patrick
Commissioners on your Christmas card list, you guys. So don't open. Yeah, okay.
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Greg Sankey
Hey, disagreements. Finally, one of my great conversations. A month ago, Roy Kramer, who was SEC commissioner number six, was telling me stories about going to meetings with Jim Delaney and, and Tom Hansen, who's the PAC 12 commissioner. And like he said, we walk out of that room, we hated each other. And then we went home, we got to work and figured it out. I think disagreements, Absolutely. Fine. It makes us better. And I think for the fact that we comment about each other, we, we have a conversation as the four of us tomorrow. And yeah, we rub each other raw from time to time. But we do have a responsibility to work together. And I think each, each of us understands that responsibility.
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Dan Patrick
All right, play nice. Thanks for joining us.
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Greg Sankey
Okay, we'll go to the sandbox and see what we can do.
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Dan Patrick
That's Greg Sankey, SEC commissioner. We'll take a break. We're back after this Dan Patrick Show. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Hey, Steve Covino. And I'm Rich Davis, and together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture, stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved, too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Covino and Rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course, on social media, that's Covino and Rich.
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Greg Sankey
I'll correct my kids now and then they'll say when cave people were here.
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Dan Patrick
And I'll say it seems like the Ice Age people that were here didn't have a real affinity for caves.
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Dan Patrick
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Dan Patrick
This year we are showing up and showing out.
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Greg Sankey
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Dan Patrick
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Greg Sankey
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Dan Patrick
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Dan Patrick
Way, in a very big way. Real people, real perspectives.
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Clayton English
This is kind of star studded a little bit, man. We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner.
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Dan Patrick
It's just the compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves. Music stars Marcus King, John Osborne for brothers Osborne.
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Greg Sankey
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Clayton English
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Dan Patrick
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Clayton English
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Dan Patrick
It really does. It makes it real.
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Clayton English
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Dan Patrick
I don't think Greg Sanke, the SEC commissioner, is all in favor of the automatic qualifiers. I think he wants the 12 best college football teams to be in the playoffs. And of course, they're for selfish reasons because he doesn't want a limit on the number of teams the SEC can send to the playoffs. Do I think they're going to go to 14? No, I think they'll go to 16. The question is, will it be for 20, 26? Are they going to expand March Madness from 68 to 72, to 76? I think they will expand to 72, maybe 76. And all it means is, you know, the Tuesdays and Wednesdays before the tournament really starts, you know, when you start to fill out your brackets, like those games count not the first four in. They'll just add more games to those Tuesdays and Wednesdays, those more play in games. And I'm fine with that. I mean, we, we've already gotten to this point. I, I just don't want it to get to 96. Jim Boeheim brought up 96. And I go, Jim, I don't think so. 96. Like, have a little exclusivity with this. Let me see a couple of. By the way, I believe on this date in 2017. Really? Yeah. Falkoff, was it 2016.
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Paul Pabst
Yeah.
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Dan Patrick
Nine years ago. And Fritzi, you still having trouble with the rhymes? You are. You are. Look, I understand Eminem was great at stretching a word and made it fit, so it did rhyme. But yours. Fork off PoC off instead of pork off.
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Todd Fritz
Like, it's almost an auditory disorder of some sort.
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Dan Patrick
Well, you. I didn't think you were hearing correctly because you. I mean, it was just so weird that you kept going, no, don't you get it? And I'm going, no, you don't get it.
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Todd Fritz
I think my problem is there's a difference between hearing and listening. I can hear stuff, but listening, that's a whole other time.
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Dan Patrick
Oh, 2016. Wow.
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Paul Pabst
What are we doing for the big 10 year anniversary?
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Dan Patrick
Oh, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know how you celebrate that.
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Todd Fritz
Next June, buy some restaurant with rhyming words. They have rhyming restaurants? I don't know. Play rhyme time at.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, but they didn't rhyme. That's the thing.
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Todd Fritz
It's a work in progress.
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Dan Patrick
When you said pork off for pork.
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Todd Fritz
Yeah, I was trying to fit it into, you know, the triangle into the little circular box thing.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah. Square. Yeah. Yeah. The crazy part about that segment, too, is we've aired, you know, we've aired like, the same, like, say, like 60 seconds of it a few times. It actually goes on for like seven minutes or something. The whole discussion, it's a way more involved discussion with dozens of examples of this going wrong. Marvin, how about we post that on the newsletter, Social media, We'll put that out.
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Todd Fritz
And when you're stubborn and you don't want to accept that you're wrong and you just kind of go all in on it and it continues to just dig a deeper hole type thing.
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Dan Patrick
Let me see. Toby in California. Hi, Toby. Thanks for holding. What's on your mind today? Hey, Dan. Wanted to give you a best of the weekend. Best of the weekend is on Friday night, I got to umpire the Savannah Bananas at Angel Stadium. And if you have a chance to go, Highly recommended. Most fun I've ever had on a baseball field. And then I wanted to talk to you about a few months ago. You talked about connections with your fans. And I feel like I have a connection with the show more than anyone. My. With my kids, I do best and worst every single day. And then I ask him every single day what they learned today. And then every time I pick up my daughters from school, because I'm a. I'm usually a podcast listener, they say, do we get to listen to podcasts again? Of Dan Patrick and they know all the stat of the day songs. Love your show. Love. You guys are more than just a sports show. You guys are a connection show. And I appreciate all that you do for us. Thank you, Toby. And one other thing that you should always ask your children who has it better than we do? And then you want them to say, nobody. Bob in Montana. Hi, Bob. We got your video. Bob took a pie to the face. He thought we were winning the sports Emmy. And Bob, thank you for, I guess, paying up your bed.
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Greg Sankey
Hey, hey, no problem there, dp. Hey, well, you stole half my thunder there. I was gonna call and wish you guys a happy 9th anniversary for sausage off day, but that's fine. Speaking of thunder, I'll move right into my second topic in the spirit of. In the spirit of me losing to the Miami. Losing the Miami Heat losing to the Nuggets two years ago and Marvin took me up on a pie to the face. Ben, then I'll just take the Pacer straight up right now against okc. I'm hoping Marvin will pick me up again, but if he doesn't want to, one of the other guys or yourself is fine as well.
- [33:00]
Dan Patrick
All right, Bob. Marvin will take you up on that. Or Marvin's got.
- [33:03]
Greg Sankey
Okay, thanks there, Marvin.
- [33:05]
Dan Patrick
All right. Thank you, Bob. Paul in Indiana. Hi, Paul. What's on your mind? Hello, Dan. Thanks for taking my call.
- [33:12]
Greg Sankey
Six foot 170 all. Then a couple years ago with this line, thought it fit perfectly. Again with what I'd like to say.
- [33:22]
Dan Patrick
I knew the Pacers were gonna win.
- [33:24]
Greg Sankey
Because I could fill it in my.
- [33:26]
Dan Patrick
Plums, they turned a nice Pacer bluish hue.
- [33:29]
Greg Sankey
Time to take them to the Farmer's.
- [33:31]
Dan Patrick
Market, which is the NBA Finals. Boom, baby. Thank you, Paul. Congratulations. Call back in a couple of weeks. Oh, no. Let me know how your plums are doing. Dave in Denver. Hi, Dave. What's on your mind today?
- [33:45]
Todd Fritz
What up, DP?
- [33:47]
Dan Patrick
6 foot 175.
- [33:51]
Greg Sankey
So this might be the first time.
- [33:52]
Dan Patrick
In DP show history that the Seattle Manors are going to get two best of the weekends. The first one is Cole Young getting called up and getting a walk off in the bottom of the 11th. And then the second one is Cal Raleigh hitting his 23rd dinger, which is tied for first in the MLB. I know. Go figure. The guy who has more home runs than Judge and Shohei Ohtani is Kyle Raleigh. And if you go back since the start of the 2023 season, he's hit 11 go ahead home runs in the seventh inning or later. That's four more than any other player over that span.
- [34:37]
Greg Sankey
Of the day.
- [34:39]
Dan Patrick
This is the start of the day. Brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards of the Dan Patrick Show. Zach Knoxville. Welcome back, Zach. What's on your mind?
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Dan Patrick
Thanks for taking my call. I hate to do this. I didn't know it was going to be with Marvin, but I do agree with the Andrew McCutcheon take. But I was actually calling for a pie to the face for the Pacers to win straight up.
- [35:04]
Greg Sankey
So does Marvin want to Michael Dublay down?
- [35:09]
Dan Patrick
Do you want to double down there?
- [35:11]
Clayton English
Yeah, I'm in.
- [35:11]
Dan Patrick
Okay, Thunder. All right, Jack. Yeah. Wait, so you're saying Andrew McCutcheon's in the hall of Very Good? Hall of Very Good. Correct. I know he won an mvp, but I think we're being a little too lenient with Very Good. Yes, Paul.
- [35:28]
Paul Pabst
I have Andrew McCutcheon's career. He came out hot five all star games from age 24 to 28.
- [35:35]
Dan Patrick
Okay.
- [35:36]
Paul Pabst
And then since the age of 28, he has not made an All Star Game or been a top 10 MVP candidate.
- [35:42]
Dan Patrick
Okay.
- [35:42]
Paul Pabst
He was cruising his first seven years.
- [35:45]
Dan Patrick
How many hits does he have?
- [35:49]
Paul Pabst
I've got two, 200 career. 273 hitter.
- [35:54]
Dan Patrick
Yeah. Okay.
- [35:56]
Paul Pabst
He's not on the cusp of the hall of Fame.
- [35:57]
Dan Patrick
He's. He's in. He's the hall of Good.
- [36:00]
Paul Pabst
Which is in a different location.
- [36:01]
Dan Patrick
Yes, it is, Marvin.
- [36:03]
Clayton English
So the hall of Very Good is for guys like Dale Murphy and Steve Garvey, guys that get 73% of the votes at the hall of Fame.
- [36:11]
Dan Patrick
Yeah.
- [36:11]
Clayton English
Okay.
- [36:12]
Dan Patrick
Yeah. Would you put Andrew McCutcheon in with Dale Murphy?
- [36:18]
Clayton English
No.
- [36:19]
Dan Patrick
Okay. Steve Garvey.
- [36:22]
Clayton English
No.
- [36:22]
Dan Patrick
Okay. That's all. We solved it. It's done. Yes. Todd.
- [36:29]
Todd Fritz
I was just looking at a list. Kirk Gibson, Eric Chavez, Tim Salmon never made an All Star team. Bly Levin, Fergie Jenkins, Robin Yount Actually, Bly Lemon and Fergie.
- [36:38]
Dan Patrick
Only two.
- [36:39]
Todd Fritz
Robin Youn three. So does that affect your decision on McCutcheon as far as five all star?
- [36:44]
Dan Patrick
Well, Robin Youn had 3,000 hits.
- [36:47]
Todd Fritz
That is true. If you take the 3,000 hits away.
- [36:50]
Dan Patrick
How do you make a lot of.
- [36:52]
Todd Fritz
Three all star teams with 3,000 then he.
- [36:54]
Dan Patrick
Well, maybe he was a shortstop and Cal Ripken always made it. And then he was a center fielder, which, you know, if he had had those hits all in one season, definitely. If you take away his 3000 hits, he has non. That's the free All Stars. What did he even accomplish? Yeah. Yes.
- [37:10]
Clayton English
Marvin But Joe Montana and Joe Namath are in the same hall of Fame.
- [37:14]
Dan Patrick
Okay, but I've said Joe Namath's not a Hall of Famer.
- [37:17]
Clayton English
But they're in, though.
- [37:18]
Dan Patrick
I know, but I'm saying, as much as I love Joe, he doesn't have hall of Fame credentials. He's in because of his name, and he won maybe the biggest game in NFL history.
- [37:28]
Clayton English
And Andrew McCutcheon's in because of the work he did.
- [37:30]
Dan Patrick
He's just a good baseball player. There's nothing wrong with that.
- [37:34]
Clayton English
So just hall of Good.
- [37:35]
Dan Patrick
He's. Yeah, he's a Hall of Good. I think we gotta. We gotta have boundaries here. I mean, it just feels like everybody's gonna. If you're not a Hall of Famer, you're in the hall of Very good. Yes, Mark.
- [37:46]
Clayton English
Oh, I didn't say that. I think the five all star games in the MVP award, another top three MVP finish, got him in the hall of Very Good. But that's just me.
- [37:54]
Dan Patrick
Okay. That's you. I know. All right. I mean, nobody is sticking up for Andrew McCutcheon today. But you are. And, and, you know, I don't know if anybody else in America is doing this segment, which probably the reason why, once again, we don't win Sports Emmys. All right, let me take a break. When we come back, got a quick NFL game. More phone calls as well. We're back after this. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
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- [38:55]
Dan Flores
The American west with Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network. Hosted by me, writer and historian Dan Flores and brought to you by Velvet Buck, this podcast looks at a West available nowhere else. Each episode I'll be diving into some of the lesser known histories of the West. I'll then be joined in conversation by guests such as Western historian Dr. Randall Williams. And best selling author and meat eater founder Stephen Rinella.
- [39:26]
Greg Sankey
I'll correct my kids now and then where they'll say when cave people were here.
- [39:29]
Dan Patrick
And I'll say, it seems like the Ice Age people that were here didn't have a real affinity for caves.
- [39:36]
Dan Flores
So join me starting Tuesday, May 6, where we'll delve into stories of the west and come to understand how it helps inform the ways in which we experience the region today.
- [39:47]
Dan Patrick
Listen to the American west with Dan Flores on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [39:56]
Tom Yamas
I know a lot of cops and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no.
- [40:11]
Dan Patrick
Across the country, cops call this Taser the Revolution.
- [40:15]
Tom Yamas
But not everyone was convinced it was that simple.
- [40:17]
Dan Flores
Cops believed everything that Taser told them.
- [40:21]
Tom Yamas
From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened when a multi billion dollar company dedicated itself to one visionary mission. This is Absolute Season one, Taser Incorporated.
- [40:36]
Greg Sankey
I get right back there and it's bad.
- [40:39]
Dan Patrick
It's really, really bad. Really bad.
- [40:43]
Tom Yamas
Listen to new episodes of Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Binge episodes 1, 2 and 3 on May 21 and episodes 4, 5 and 6 on June 4 ad free at Lava for Good. Plus on Apple Podcasts.
- [41:05]
George M. Johnson
This Pride Month, we are not just celebrating, we're fighting back. I'm George M. Johnson and my book All Boys Aren't Bl was just named the most banned book in America. If the culture wars have taught me anything, it's that pride is protest. And on my podcast, Fighting Words, we talk to people who use their voices to resist, disrupt and make our community stronger.
- [41:31]
Dan Patrick
This year, we are showing up and showing out.
- [41:33]
Greg Sankey
You need people being like, no, you're not going to tell us what to do.
- [41:38]
George M. Johnson
This regime is coming down on us and I don't want to just survive. I want to thrive. You'll hear from trailblazers like Bob the Drag Queen to Freedom Angelica Ross.
- [41:48]
Greg Sankey
We ready to fight.
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- [41:50]
George M. Johnson
And Gabrielle Union.
- [41:51]
Greg Sankey
Hi George.
- [41:52]
George M. Johnson
And storytellers with wisdom to spare. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [42:01]
Clayton English
I'm Clayton English. I'm Greg Lott and this is season two of the War on Drugs podcast. We are back in a big way.
- [42:08]
Dan Patrick
In a Very big way. Real people, real perspectives.
- [42:11]
Clayton English
This is kind of star studded a little bit, man. We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner.
- [42:17]
Dan Patrick
It's just the compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves. Music stars Marcus King, John Osborne from Brothers Osborne.
- [42:27]
Greg Sankey
We have this misunderstanding of what this quote unquote drug fans.
- [42:32]
Clayton English
Benny the Butcher, Brent Smith from Shinedown got be real from Cypress Hill, NHL enforcer Riley Cote, Marine Corvette, MMA fighter Liz Caramouche.
- [42:42]
Dan Patrick
What we're doing now isn't working and we need to change things. Stories matter and it brings a face to them.
- [42:47]
Clayton English
It makes it real.
- [42:48]
Dan Patrick
It really does. It makes it real.
- [42:50]
Clayton English
Listen to new episodes of the War on Drugs Podcast Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear episodes one week early and ad free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.
- [43:12]
Dan Patrick
Ravens running back Derrick Henry on the program tomorrow. Got a new contract extension. You can't have an old contract extension, right? Because whenever you hear any, you got a new contract extension. Isn't it just a contract extension? I don't know if I need new in there.
- [43:31]
Todd Fritz
And his quarterback and Coach have Tier 1 pressure as we discussed.
- [43:34]
Dan Patrick
They do. They got a lot of pressure on them in. In Baltimore. All right, time for a quick NFL game and then I have some amazing stats for you coming up. All right, so Paulie, quick NFL gang. Got some theme music here. Here we go. All right.
- [43:52]
Paul Pabst
The Madden 20 Twig 2026 cover has been announced by EA Sports. Two part question. Who is on the COVID and what is the picture?
- [44:02]
Dan Patrick
Specifically Stefan Diggs on the.
- [44:07]
Greg Sankey
Too soon.
- [44:11]
Paul Pabst
Wow, that's snarky.
- [44:13]
Dan Patrick
Respect. Jaden Daniels. That's a good one.
- [44:17]
Paul Pabst
He is not on the COVID Should have been. That's good.
- [44:20]
Dan Patrick
Who was on the COVID the year before? Do we know that?
- [44:23]
Greg Sankey
No.
- [44:25]
Dan Patrick
Okay.
- [44:29]
Paul Pabst
Want a hint? The COVID picture is a very specific play from last season.
- [44:35]
Dan Patrick
Very specific, very specific. I got it. Oh, the tush push. Jalen Hurts.
- [44:46]
Paul Pabst
No, but you're getting closer.
- [44:48]
Dan Patrick
Saquon, that backwards leap.
- [44:51]
Paul Pabst
Saquon Barkley is on the COVID of Madden 2026 and he's midair.
- [44:55]
Dan Patrick
Bloop, bloop, bloop. Did that spinning jump. Dang.
- [45:00]
Paul Pabst
Wow, it's a great cover.
- [45:02]
Dan Patrick
Had. Did anybody ask him if he had practiced that before or done that in a game before? I. We didn't have him on after that, but I'd like to ask him that if he ever did that before in a game. Okay. This day in sports history. Okay, here's some numbers for you. This player is in his third season. He's already become the first baseball player since 1900 to have 80 extra base hits, 80 stolen bases and at least 80 walks in his first 200 games. He's the first player to have over 100 stolen bases and 30 home runs in his first two seasons. First player ever. He also. Well, that'll give it away. Give it away, give it away. Now. In 308 career games, he has struck out 434 times, which matches Tony Gwynn's career strikeout total. Tony played in 2,440 games. So over 2,000 more games and they struck out the same number of times. Marvin, who am I talking about?
- [46:09]
Clayton English
Ellie De La Cruz.
- [46:10]
Dan Patrick
La De La Cruz is correctamundo, because I was going to say he also holds the record, which I didn't know they had records. The fastest throw from shortstop to first base. Anybody want to guess what Ellie De La Cruz did with one throw from shortstop to first base? Marvin, I'll go Back to you.
- [46:30]
Clayton English
108 miles an hour.
- [46:33]
Dan Patrick
I'm gonna give it to you. It's 106.9 on your FM dial. 106 miles an hour. Ellie De La Cruz.
- [46:42]
Todd Fritz
Hope that first basement's glove.
- [46:45]
Dan Patrick
Ouch. That's gonna hurt. All right, let me see what I have here. Steve in Ohio. Hi, Steve. What's on your mind today? Oh, Oregon. Oregon, Steve. Oh, hey, Dan. Yeah, that's me. Six foot, 190. Best of the weekend is Oregon State Beavers lost first game on Friday yesterday. Won two games by combined score of 34 to 4 with three runs in one inning, all on suicide squeezes. Okay, so they're playing in the final against US City USC today in the regional final. All right, well, sound a little more excited, Steve.
- [47:26]
Paul Pabst
Sound librarian.
- [47:27]
Dan Patrick
Little. A little down. Yeah, it could have been. It could have been in a library there. Just really excited. Just want to.
- [47:34]
Paul Pabst
I can't wait for it.
- [47:35]
Dan Patrick
This day in sports history.
- [47:36]
Paul Pabst
Paul George Herman. Babe Ruth announced his retirement.
- [47:42]
Dan Patrick
Playing against farmers.
- [47:43]
Paul Pabst
19 electricians. This is a sad one. 1941, Lou Gehrig died in New York. And let's see. Oh, Randy Johnson achieved the first no hitter in Seattle Mariner history. 1990. And this guy was a thing. 1995, Hideo Nomo got his first major league victory. He was a thing.
- [48:03]
Dan Patrick
Wasn't it Dennis Leary who does the Lou Gehrig joke?
- [48:06]
Paul Pabst
Oh, no.
- [48:07]
Dan Patrick
Like, how did you not see it coming? It's got your name Written all over it. Little characters here. Yeah. I think it was Dennis Leary.
- [48:16]
Paul Pabst
Too soon.
- [48:18]
Dan Patrick
Ken Griffey Jr. He was. Made his debut 1987. And, oh, this was the anniversary 2010. Armando Galarraga lost his bid for a perfect game. Two ounce in the ninth. Oh, no. Yeah. That was the worst. Jim Joyce. Oh, boy. And I think there was a 30 for 30 called the imperfect Game. Great title. Yeah, that one. That was a bummer.
- [48:46]
Todd Fritz
Made some Joyce words for Jim after making that bad call. How do you think it did today?
- [48:56]
Dan Patrick
No, you had 15 years to. To give me a line. 15 years to get ready for that moment.
- [49:04]
Todd Fritz
Joyce words for Jim. Sticking with that one.
- [49:06]
Dan Patrick
Yeah. This is like choice words. Yeah. No, I can express it.
- [49:09]
Todd Fritz
His name is Jim Joyce. And that rhymes. That's an actual rhyme. Joyce and choice.
- [49:13]
Dan Patrick
How would you rate yourself today? What kind of grade would you give? You give yourself? Well, Barkley and Greg Sankey. Those are good guys.
- [49:19]
Todd Fritz
That's the only reason to keep me in the B.
- [49:21]
Dan Patrick
Yes. Yes. I think I would say it's a.
- [49:23]
Todd Fritz
C. And Barkley loves you, so he kind of books himself.
- [49:25]
Dan Patrick
That is true.
- [49:26]
Todd Fritz
Book a quick call and he says yes.
- [49:27]
Dan Patrick
And Sankey, you know, loves the show. Yeah.
- [49:29]
Todd Fritz
So maybe B minus. C Learning with a C plus.
- [49:32]
Dan Patrick
No, I'm gonna give a C. C.
- [49:34]
Greg Sankey
Wow, you're a tough grader.
- [49:35]
Dan Patrick
Yes, I am. Yes, I am. C plus. Yeah. And no, No C plus.
- [49:39]
Todd Fritz
I dress up to see a little bit.
- [49:42]
Dan Patrick
But, you know, just so people know, it's not just the guest you book, it's everything else that you provide.
- [49:47]
Todd Fritz
And it's only Monday, so we can only hopefully go up from here. We got another four days before the next weekend to improve. You want to look at it that way? Popped back to you in the studio.
- [49:56]
Dan Patrick
Okay. Thank you, Todd. Well, Derek Henry's on the show tomorrow. Yes. Good relationship with the show. The show kind of books itself. Really doesn't think about it. Do I need you?
- [50:08]
Todd Fritz
I don't think so. Like, what do I do here? I write a sports center. Tease. Once in a while I try to crack a couple.
- [50:13]
Dan Patrick
No, but I, I, I, I like you for all the other things. It's not just the booking. It's like, you know, everything else that you provide with the show.
- [50:19]
Todd Fritz
That's kind of you to say yes.
- [50:21]
Dan Patrick
For a day where you were a C. C minus.
- [50:24]
Todd Fritz
We'll do better tomorrow. It's only Monday. I'm just getting started.
- [50:29]
Dan Patrick
Got to see my grandson on Sunday. Yeah. Little guy. Little guy. Yeah. You know, when they're Only a couple days old. They're trying to open their eyes, you know, I mean, I've had that feeling before. Can't hold their head up. I know. Yeah.
- [50:45]
Paul Pabst
Or the cheeks.
- [50:47]
Dan Patrick
It was great. It was great. But, you know, my son, I already a know it all when it comes to child rearing. You know, he's been a parent for a little over two years, and he's telling my wife, like, you guys gotta hold. Hold his head. I'm like, jack, we. We've done this before. You turned out okay, right?
- [51:05]
Todd Fritz
That's not how you do the diaper. What are you doing?
- [51:07]
Dan Patrick
Yes.
- [51:08]
Clayton English
How hard did you cry?
- [51:10]
Dan Patrick
I didn't cry yesterday. I did not. When. When he sent me the picture, I was a mess.
- [51:17]
Clayton English
It was amazing being there when your first grandchild was born. We were all sitting at dinner in Arizona. Oh, started welling. I was like.
- [51:23]
Dan Patrick
I went outside, I said, I can't. I can't let all these people at a table see me bawling. And then I go, they've all seen me crying. That was great. Great moment. That's what we learned. I didn't cry yesterday. I'm growing up. Rapid Radios, the official walkie Talkie of the DP show, works on a nationwide LTE network. Visit rapidradios.com up to 60% off, free shipping. Ah, what a day. Have a great day, everybody. Fritzi, Seaton, Marv, Paulie, yours truly. We'll talk to you tomorrow.
- [51:59]
Dan Flores
Why is a soap opera western like Yellowstone so wildly successful? The American west with Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat eater Podcast Network. So join me starting Tuesday, May 6, where we'll delve into stories of the west and come to understand how it helps inform the ways in which we experience the region today.
- [52:21]
Dan Patrick
Listen to the American west with Dan Flores on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [52:29]
Tom Yamas
I know a lot of cops. They get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. This is Absolute Season 1 Taser Incorporated.
- [52:46]
Greg Sankey
I get right back there, and it's bad.
- [52:49]
Tom Yamas
Listen to Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [52:59]
Dan Patrick
Your gut microbiome and those healthy bacteria can actually have positive effects. Your mental health, your immunity, your risk of cancer, almost any disease under the sun.
- [53:10]
George M. Johnson
This week on dope labor, Titi and I dive into the world of probiotics.
- [53:13]
Dan Patrick
The hype, the science, and what your.
- [53:16]
George M. Johnson
Gut bacteria are really doing behind the scenes. From drinks and gummies to probiotic pillows. Yes, really, probiotic pillows. We're breaking down what's legit and what's just brilliant marketing with expert Insight from gastroenterologist Dr. Roshi Raj. Listen to Dope Labs on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This Pride Month, we are not just celebrating, we're fighting back. I'm George M. Johnson, author of the most banned book in America. On my podcast, Fighting Words, I sit down with voices that spark resistance and inspire change.
- [53:53]
Dan Patrick
This year, we are showing up and showing up.
- [53:56]
Greg Sankey
You need people being like, no, you're not.
- [53:58]
Dan Patrick
What?
- [53:58]
Greg Sankey
You tell us what to do.
- [53:59]
George M. Johnson
This regime is coming down on us, and I don't want to just survive.
- [54:04]
Dan Patrick
I want to thrive.
- [54:06]
George M. Johnson
Fighting Words is where courage meets conversation. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.
- [54:15]
Clayton English
I'm Clayton English.
- [54:16]
Dan Patrick
I'm Greg Lott.
- [54:17]
Clayton English
And this is season two of the War on Drugs podcast.
- [54:20]
Dan Patrick
Last year, a lot of the problems of the drug war. This year, a lot of the biggest names in music and sports, this kind.
- [54:27]
Clayton English
Of star studded a little bit, man.
- [54:29]
Dan Patrick
We. We met them at their homes. We met them at the recording studios. Stories matter, and it brings a face to it.
- [54:35]
Clayton English
It makes it real.
- [54:35]
Dan Patrick
It really does. It makes it real.
- [54:38]
Clayton English
Listen to new episodes of the War on Drugs Podcast, Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
- [54:46]
Dan Patrick
This is an iHeart podcast.