Paulie (4:29)

We it sounds like a broken record, Jackson just asking you about the hits and taking them and protecting yourself and things like that. Is there anything you would have done different on that one?

Dan Patrick (4:39)

No.

Paulie (4:40)

Look like I understand the question, but.

Dan Patrick (4:44)

Like this is like this is football.

Paulie (4:46)

Like I'm gonna get hit if I'm in the pocket or outside the pocket.

Dan Patrick (4:50)

Like it's I don't like I feel.

Paulie (4:52)

Like I've played this way my whole entire life. It shouldn't be like any shocker to anybody if you've followed along with my career and I we're not playing like we're not playing soccer out here. Like you're gonna get hit. Things happen. It's part of the game.

Dan Patrick (5:07)

Yeah. We'll talk to Steve Young about this because with Jackson dart, you can't control if you get hit in the pocket, but you can control if you're outside the pocket. And if you can get out of bounds, then get out of bounds. I do like his style. I think it's an aggressive style, but I've seen too many quarterbacks think they can be a tough guy, be a football guy, and they could take on these defensive players, and you can't. I don't care who it is. Now, you do have Cam Newton, you have Josh Allen. Those guys are unicorns because they're as big as the guys who are hitting them. You're seeing Laura Jackson run less than he used to, and I think that's a wise decision. Yes, Marvin. Yeah. In the NFL, you see a lot of.

Paulie (5:48)

And you see a lot of rookie quarterbacks try to unlearn what they've been.

Dan Patrick (5:54)

Doing their entire careers, right?

Paulie (5:56)

Holding onto the ball too long, running, not running out of bounds. So you, you have to teach them. Don't do this.

Dan Patrick (6:02)

Like, you have to unlearn them. And that's the hard part because you get away with this in college. You don't get away with this in the NFL. Devin McCourty, who played at a really high level for the Patriots, joined us last hour and he said, hey, these guys are so much faster. This is not college. It's so much like you don't have that step that you think you have and you have a scouting report who's going to go out of bounds, who's going to take on contact here. And you can tell with body language if a quarterback's going to get out of bounds or not. And when Jackson Dart was running, you could tell he was not going to get out of bounds. 8, 7, 7, 3, DP show email address dp@danpatrick.com Twitter handle @DP Show. So the Patriots have now won 10 in a row. They've got Buffalo at Baltimore, at the jets, and then they host Miami. They can end up with 14 wins this year. Is that right? 14 wins. Probably have home field advantage throughout. And those Super WODs would probably change just a little bit there. Alrighty, a couple of phone calls in here. Mo in Arizona. Hi, Mo. What's on your mind today?

Paulie (7:17)

Morning, Dan Danette. Funny. Actually took my wife to Hooters for Mother's Day one day. Went pleasantly well. I had to stare at wound up staring at all the TVs until she figured out like, hey, you don't even watch hockey. What are you doing? Called in about Lane Kiffin Yeah. I do believe he did talk to God. God told him how much the contract was and then he made a decision playing the film.

Dan Patrick (7:42)

Thank you, Mo. Yeah, Paul.

Paulie (7:43)

I. I think this Lane Kiffin contract thing is a bit of a flawed topic. He's going to make a little bit more at LSU compared to Ole Miss. It's the, the money they're going to support to build the program, to buy, get the players. That's where the money's involved.

Dan Patrick (7:58)

Yeah. When they said that the salary was about the same, it's really about the infrastructure at LSU and LSU football. Nate in la. Hi, Nate. What's on your mind?

Paulie (8:10)

Hey, Dan, just a point on Elaine Tiff, you point the Lane Tiffany thing, definitely taking advantage of a system that is in college football. But I think for lsu, they need to look at a Wikipedia page and see, like, history repeats itself. Right. He wanted to coach the game, but then he did the same thing with Florida Atlantic to go to. Or, I'm sorry, to USC or Alabama to go to Florida Atlantic. They wouldn't let him play in the playoffs. And I just think it's a cautionary tale for lsu and they're not gonna, they're gonna eat him alive if he doesn't produce wins.

Dan Patrick (8:47)

He's going to be successful. I, I truly believe that Lane will be successful. And there's a lot of talent there, and he knows how to coach offense. And we've seen LSU with those offenses what Joe Burrow had when they won a national title, man, if you find your quarterback, you're going to find your wide receivers there. There's a whole lot of talent there. Lane Kiffin had his press conference yesterday and he talked about he wanted to stay at Ole Miss to coach in the playoffs.

Paulie (9:15)

Leaving Ole Miss was extremely difficult. And in that we tried every, every single thing possible to continue to coach the team through the playoffs and continue to the players. In the end, that was their decision, and we totally respect that.

Dan Patrick (9:32)

Okay. And once again, we don't know those conversations, but if it's true, there was a report that he was trying to leverage that he was going to take coaches with him if they didn't let him coach in the playoffs. Then he told the athletic director, I'm going to. I'm going to take my staff with me or I'm. And. Or I'm going to take players with me to try to get them to acquiesce. And they said no. And, and as long as Ole Miss isn't punished because they lost their coach, that. That's the only thing here, the college football selection committee, they may. They may lower Ole Miss because without your coach, we've seen them do this when teams don't have their quarterbacks. And that is a big loss to loose Lane Kiffin. As you get ready for the playoffs, let's play the Lane Kiffin game. Maybe it's the last Lane Kiffin game that we'll play for. 20, 25.

Paulie (10:31)

Dan, we played three Lane Kiffin games so far this year. This is the last one. Here it is.

Dan Patrick (10:36)

Okay.

Paulie (10:38)

Four years from now, Lane Kiffin will be. There's four options at lsu, at another college, coaching in the NFL, working in the media. Who would like to go first?

Dan Patrick (10:52)

Marvin, I'm going to start with you.

Paulie (10:54)

He will be at college game day. Wow.

Dan Patrick (10:59)

Oh, so maybe he takes Coach Saban's job after he talked to God. Yep, he talked. He succeeds Coach Saban. Dylan, I have four years. He's at LSU still. It's his final stop. Okay. Oh, final coaching stop. Final stop.

Paulie (11:16)

Where else would you want to be?

Dan Patrick (11:17)

Daddy said it himself. But he said that before at other places. Todd, what do you think? I agree with Dylan. He did six years at Ole Miss. I can't see why he wouldn't do at least four with the Tigers. I'm gonna say Alabama.

Paulie (11:33)

Oh, specific.

Dan Patrick (11:35)

Yeah, I'm going Alabama. There will be an opening there soon. We don't know that. No, no, you can't say that. Can't spread these things, allegedly. This isn't the gambling podcast where you can say whatever you want. Okay. There may be an opening there, and then there. There could be. There could be. Yeah. No, Paulie, what are you going with?

Paulie (11:59)

I. I think I'm going to say lsu. Even though the bar is high. He. He's taken over a wounded animal. I think in four years from now.

Dan Patrick (12:07)

He'Ll still be there. All right. Todd has reminded me on numerous occasions he has mock headlines for Lane Kiffin. So, Todd, go ahead. Let's roll him out. Baton Scrooge. Kiffin puts Cole in former team stockings for a little holiday one. All right. Rebel with a cause. Lane shouldn't lament teaming up with Tigers, keeping the lame thing, the Lane thing. No surprise. Lane left swing. And Ole Miss Oxford tries to match offer, but to no avail. I like. I like that. Yeah, we've got some base hits here. Mississy coach handles exit poorly and immaturely. This is calling him a damn. Running from Rebels lane darts to Death Valley. Three more quick ones. A Grove situation. Can Kiffin's former team survive loss of Lane Saban ain't so did Nick nudge.

Paulie (12:58)

Lane to Louisiana and the last one is Lane in the ass.

Dan Patrick (13:01)

Ole Miss thought they had a long term coach, but they didn't.

Paulie (13:05)

I was wondering if you're going to go there.

Dan Patrick (13:07)

Thank you, John. Terry in South Dakota. Hi, Terry. What's on your mind today?

Paulie (13:14)

Hey, first time caller, 45 years a football coach. I just kind of was wondering your thoughts. You know, there's lots of discussion about the state of college football, you know, the movement of players, the movement of coaches. Nil, all that. And I'm wondering what your thoughts are. Do you think that there's no structure, really no rules? Because the NCAA has been sued and lost so many times that they're a little bit afraid to put in anything with any teeth that might set up something more definite where, you know, you can't enter the portal if your team is still playing. You can't leave and go to another school, at least without some sort of a penalty, you know, because they, they don't really need another lawsuit. Do you think that has anything to do with their lack of ability to have a solid structure?

Dan Patrick (14:24)

I think it's too big for them. I think the NCAA should probably do secondary sports that I think college basketball and college football should have, maybe an oversight committee. You should have a commissioner, you should have somebody who is the authoritarian and will rule on these things. You know, it's rare when you get an investigation with the school. It's usually, you know, Dan Wetzel when he was at Yahoo and he'd be like, oh, I got this deep dive. And then all of a sudden, you know, you'd have an investigation. You don't have that anymore. And if college football is going to be the minor leagues for professional football, then maybe have the same kind of structure there. And let's get rid of the student athlete that was coined back in the mid-70s. Oh, the student athlete. And oh, it's always about the student athlete. It's not, it's not about the student athlete. And I think it, it's business. This is all business. You go to college and if you want to get a degree, you can get a degree. But you might go to college and say, I'm, this is one of my majoring in football to go play in the NFL. And you have every right to do that because we don't monitor these other kids who go to college. You know, I, I want to be an electrical engineer. And then all of a sudden they don't become an electrical engineer. And you're like, no, that was wasted. Okay. Yeah, I guess you could have gone to college and gotten a degree. These players, they don't care. A lot of these players don't care. They're there. It's a means to an end that I have to go to class and they're going to go in into the NFL. They all think they have a chance. Yeah.

Paulie (16:06)

Paulie, the NCAA is like an organizing body that has no authority over the colleges. It's not even close to what Roger Goodell does. Roger Goodell works for the owners, but he works for the best, for the entire league. To make as much money as possible and to provide for the fans. The NCAA doesn't do that.

Dan Patrick (16:25)

Allen in California. Hi, Alan. What's on your mind today?

Paulie (16:30)

Hey, Dan. Five, eight and a Traeger. Forged 230. First time. Long time. Long, long time. And I remember when I started listening to you guys that I had like two subwoofers in my car and now I have like two child seats, so. But look, with army and Navy coming up, I went to the game last year with my son and I did it actually because of you guys. You know, I think it must have been five or six years ago at least. You spent some time on the show talking about that game, how it's rooted in all these traditions and the history there. And after you did that, I spent a couple weeks learning about the game and I decided I just have to go and see it. Fast forward to last year and I took my 9 year old son and it was 125th anniversary of the matchup. My brother was graduating from the Naval Academy and we watched an underdog Navy team pull off a win. And it was such a cool and special experience. And we only did it because you talked about it one day. So, you know, I wanted to say thanks and you know, with all these little comments here and there about your eventual retirement, I wanted to call and express some gratitude. You know, thank you and the whole team for being with so many of us in the car. You know, obviously I'm in California for the drive to work for so long, the stories, the guests, everything else. I know I'm not alone when I just say it's a huge part of our day. So to you and Fritz C. Seaton, Paulie, Marvin, who's been a great addition to the team, thank you. You know, you're a big part of our day. We enjoy it all and just really appreciate you guys.

Dan Patrick (17:47)

Thank you, Alan. If you get the opportunity, go to West Point and that is that's a unique experience when army plays Navy in Philadelphia or if they, you know, wherever they, they hold it, Baltimore, it is great. But West Point, there's so much history there and it's just different. It's a different feel. You could spend hours there just walking around and when those cadets come in, man, you'll never feel prouder as an American. You will not. We're in good hands with those, you know, cadets had. Army, Navy, Air Force. Uh, we'll take a break. The great Steve Young will join us. Get his thoughts on a couple things, including advice to Jackson Dart and how would he feel if the coach at his alma mater, BYU would happen to leave to take the Penn State job during the season. We're back after this. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio in the iHeartRadio app. Hey, it's Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington.

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Paulie (22:48)

Well, first of all, something's really wrong that allows for this kind of madness, you know, so we got to fix that. I don't know. You know, I don't know how to fix it, but you got to fix that. It's insane. It would be super painful. I mean, there's a, there's a symbiotic kind of beautiful thing going on between, you know, everything, BYU and Kalani and what he's doing. And there's like. And I think he has the love for it, too. So the pain would be pretty extreme. I suspect that everything's being done on the other side to try to make sure that everything gets, you know, that he stays. But I guess in some ways, Dan, it's cool that, you know, BYU enters the Big 12 and obviously super competitive and looks like they can do something really, you know, consistently pretty well that the Penn State wants our coach. I mean, that's a. That's a cool thing, too, in some way. So, I mean, but don't be confused. It would be like ripping. They'd have to rip. They're gonna have to rip them from our bloody hands. You know, that's the kind of way I think about it.

Dan Patrick (23:54)

And I also thought about you last night, knowing we were going to have you on. When Jackson darts, running the ball, and he decides that he's not going to get out of bounds a little earlier, and his philosophy or his mindset is, hey, I'm going to continue to do this. I'm a football player. It's not soccer. What would you say to Jackson dart?

Paulie (24:14)

Well, some of it. I think as a quarterback, you have to give your teammates sense that you're in for it all. And, you know, and you got to. You're not the toughest guy in the team because, you know, there's always someone tougher. But everyone needs to trust that you are going to be good for it physically, mentally, emotionally. And that's what in the locker room is vital. So I think he's trying to build that kind of, you know, and that's smart, but it's also could be stupid. Like, you have to be able to, you know, be able to say that and be that and then yet protect yourself and be, you know, you don't have to ram into linebackers for no reason. You don't have to look for an extra yard when it doesn't matter and, you know, get out of bounds. And everyone on the team would say, jackson, we appreciate your toughness. We appreciate the way that you want to, you know, represent, but you got to stop and you got to stay healthy. And as a pro player, you really need to learn how to do that. I love when Emmett Smith, you say, know when the journey is over and then get to the ground and be done and move on. And I think that that's something he's going to have to learn while he tries to let everybody know I'm tough. And, you know, there's a. There's a Fine line that he needs to find.

Dan Patrick (25:31)

Well, you can show your toughness by being out there for 17 regular season games. That. That's really difficult to do, just to stay healthy for 17 games. I don't need to add to the degree of difficulty here, but he's young.

Paulie (25:45)

He'S trying to set. He wants to be around for a long time. And so in the locker room, because you got to understand, Dan, everybody in the locker room has to go and ram into somebody. And to get that inspiration and have the quarterback be somebody that's willing to put himself at risk is somehow inspiring in some ways. So it's like, it's a. Again, I get you. And. And being healthy is the most important thing. And I think that that's why I say Jackson can be healthy for 17 weeks, take care of himself, be smart, and give off the, you know, representation. He's a, you know, a tough guy and could be counted on and trusted. So he's just young. He's trying to figure it out, and he's being a little, you know, overzealous, and he needs to. He needs to figure out how to avoid stupidity. Like, stupidity is just. You're right. The locker room will. They don't like stupid either. So it's like, you gotta be. You gotta have it all.

Dan Patrick (26:43)

Okay, but take me back. When you're beginning your career in San Francisco, you want to prove that you're a tough guy, but part of this was learning how to go through your progressions, right? So you didn't run as often as you did. So I don't know how many designed runs you had with San Francisco.

Paulie (27:05)

Not a lot. I mean, but that's what Bill Walsh. I mean, he used to. I scramble around and run for a first down or even a touchdown, and I go to the sidelines. He goes, what are you doing? I'm like, why? I'm scoring. I'm scoring. He goes, yeah, but no one knows where you're going. Like, you know, that's fine for right now, for once, but what are we going to do, like, for the rest of the. And so it's really the same. It's the same thing that Jackson's got to figure out is the game is sophisticated passing from the pocket. That's quarterback. Now, today's quarterback, you have to threaten the line of scrimmage with your feet, and you have to go get those free yards. They're everywhere. And I wish I played today. I keep telling you that over and over. Like, it would be awesome. But again, you've Got to develop the sophistication in the pocket and yet move the football, yet win games yet, you know, so this transition into the pro game and becoming a player that people can count on as a quarterback, it's, it's not for the, you know, faint of heart. It's got all kinds of angles on it. You're bringing up the really important ones.

Dan Patrick (28:13)

Do you think you would have rushed for 10,000 yards in today's NFL.

Paulie (28:18)

Over a career? No, no, no. Because I think the game, again, it's not like it's not a numbers, it's not a, it's not a totality. You're not going to, you know, you're not going to run for 120 yards a game. It's like that's not the game today. The game is still sophisticated passing from the pocket, but again those spitting out and even Justin Herbert's realized that. Think about the players that you know, Joe Burrow realizes that you have to, especially in the biggest games, your legs are going to go win the football game. Especially because it's a closers league today it's not, you know, you're in the third quarter of the ten point lead, like things are looking pretty good. It's like, no, you got. People come back from that in two minutes in today's game. So it's like the NBA. You have to be a closer and in that way that's with your legs. And so it's not 10,000 yards. It's. It's really vital, important difference making. 2005, 3,000 yards. You know what I mean? It's not, the numbers aren't going to be like that.

Dan Patrick (29:19)

Steve Young hall of Famer and former ESPN NFL ANALYST what do you see when you look at Drake May.

Paulie (29:29)

Someone who gets it? I mean as a quarterback, that's the best way I could say it. The game makes sense to him. 22 people on a field running around crazy chaotic. His brain obviously slows down instead of speeds up, the more crazy it gets.

Dan Patrick (29:48)

It feels like teachable to slow the brain down. No, it's not.

Paulie (29:52)

Okay, That's a genetic, It's a. Like you think about it, Dan. The normal human reaction is, you know, tension, pressure. You know, your heartbeat goes up, your brain diminishes, it gets focused more. But you know, you don't have the, you don't have the presence. Think about when you're under. People are screaming at you. Like the pressure diminishes you. It makes you, it focuses you, but it diminishes you. You're not as present. It's not like you're in your backyard hanging around playing ball. But Patrick Mahomes, for whatever reason, that's how it. That's how his body reacts to it. And I think to be really good in the game, that has to be a genetic blessing so that as things get worse and crazier, your brain somehow says, ah, no, we're good. And. And there's a piece to it. And. And I think that people always say, what. What makes a great quarterback? I think that's probably the number. Number one or number one, a number one B condition that you have to have. And I don't. I don't think you learn it. I think you can get better at it. I think things can calm down over time, but I think it's just a genetic reaction to kind of the thing that's happened in front of you, and that's just the pressure that happened, you know, the physical reaction.

Dan Patrick (31:15)

Well, Gretzky would talk about how the game slowed down.

Paulie (31:19)

Yeah.

Dan Patrick (31:19)

And you're talking about hockey, but, like, how do you. How do you slow down hockey, where you're taking. And he talked about taking snapshots. Like, it'd be like a quick picture here, quick picture here, quick picture here. And it allowed him to kind of understand, you know, the situation.

Paulie (31:37)

I. I love that. That makes sense to me. That's how. That's what it feels like. And I think that. That's why. That's why the. When people. You know, when you're forced to retire at a young age, no matter what it is, even if Tom Brady's 45, you still have half your life left. You just. You miss it because it's something that is intuitive to you. It's like, you know how hard it is. You know, how difficult it is to be good at it or even great at it. And yet, like, it all makes sense, you know? And, like, nothing else in your life can make as much sense. Like, I. You know, the day you retire, the next day you wake up, you're like, what are you good at? Nothing.

Dan Patrick (32:12)

You know?

Paulie (32:13)

But what are you. What are you great at this thing that is amazing. And so that's the Wayne Gretzky. What you just said about him is that's. That's the beauty of when it all kind of slows down and makes sense to you, despite how insane it all is, is the coolest thing in the world. That's the best.

Dan Patrick (32:31)

How good are your Niners?

Paulie (32:34)

I mean, how well are they coached? I mean, they lose all their stars on defense especially, they have people out most of the season on offense. And, you know, also Mac Jones is a guy that everybody wants in the league just like Sam Darnold was. Look at, you know, it's like, let's just tip our cap to the coaching number one, and let's tip our cap to the culture of the place, locker room leadership. Obviously, they've got guys in the room that hold things together. And so how good are they? Good enough to threaten and make people, really? We talk about a tough out and they're going to be in the playoffs. I think you can almost count on that. And so who wants to play the 49ers? I don't know. Nobody. So, you know, that's. That's for where they. Where they are with the personnel and what's happened. It's pretty remarkable. I think we got to tip our cap to. To really everyone in the organization right now to be 9 and 4.

Dan Patrick (33:32)

Is Christian McCaffrey a Hall of Famer already?

Paulie (33:35)

It feels like it. I mean, he said he's a guy that he's Roger Craig. Roger Craig was the first guy that I can remember that kind of took the role of running back and then expanded it. And that's what Christian now, in the game today, how many times I talk about the rule changes and how open the field is and how, you know, the innovative minds are the ones that dominate today that, you know, those innovative minds led by Kyle, Sean McVeigh, you know, Danny Reed and, you know, Sean Payton were the first ones to kind of really do it all. You need players to go fulfill that innovation, that. That new space. And that is not an IBAC running downhill. It's a back that can do kind of everything and line up everywhere and every week come up with something a little new. The coaches come up, you know, that is figured out that you can go, you know, perform like, yeah, hand it to me. I'll do that. Oh, yeah, you want to. You need someone to do that. I got you. And that's why to me, the game changers, the hall of Fame is about people that change the game and that when you write the book, you can't write the book without their name in it. And. And you can't write the book about the game today and running back without Christian McCaffrey.

Dan Patrick (34:52)

There was a moment in the Steelers Bills game where Aaron Rodgers reacted and it looked like the receiver went the wrong way. And it was supposed to be, you know, maybe an in cut, and he. But Tony Romo pointed it out. He's like, oh, the receiver went the cause. Aaron's reaction. How often does that happen? Or did that happen to you where you might change the play or there's a subtle nuance with it. You got to pick it up, a signal or a word, and they end up running the wrong route.

Paulie (35:23)

Well, first of all, communication out to receivers, especially in audibles, especially, you know, that was at a home game, so that's a little different. But, you know, you're in a dome and you. I remember yelling. I'd signal out the Jerry Rice signal, and he'd be like, what? What? And you're like, you know, you give him a signal and he's like, I don't understand. You know, and like, said, hi, and off we go. And then I throw him the ball. And he'd be like, what. What were you supposed to do? And I'm like, I don't know, but I could just tell where you were going. So I think the thing that happens on the field, very rarely does a guy turn right instead of left. You know what I mean? Like, but the subtlety of the route, especially. And especially when you're coming back the ball or protecting the quarterback from interceptions, because as you throw a football, you need people that understand that you need to be the first one to it. Despite the fact that the route might say the line might say a certain thing. It's all those kind of small adjustments. And that's why the west coast offense really started this process. And now I think Peyton Manning really extended it by communication with receivers. That made it so that no matter what happened, there was an adjustment that both knew and subtleties. And now the game is very much about that. And that's why Aaron Rodgers had flourished for so long. So I think Aaron expects himself to be perfect, and he expects everyone around to be perfect. And so some of that reaction is pretty natural.

Dan Patrick (36:55)

Which quarterbacks under the most pressure to win a Super bowl this year?

Paulie (37:02)

Well, in some ways, you know, Lamar Jackson because. And Josh Allen. Wow. Okay, already we have a list. I'd say Josh Allen just because Lamar's like, they're not. They're not. They're not full, full force yet. So. But the Bills and where they've been and how they've. How, how they've been really representing the NFL in excellence for a while. Josh is special. He does things and the game is. He's perfect for 2025. He's. He's the prototype, Patrick. And so, yeah, pressure is a funny thing because I don't think he feels that Necessarily just feels like that's the next mountain to climb and we gotta. And I'm climbing it. And that's why how you. It's not like I have this weight on me and I can't wake up in the morning and I feel like, you know, it's more. I can't wait to get to that mountain that I haven't been able to climb and I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm going to get there this time. I'm going to, I'm going to be at the top. I'm going to take the picture, you know, top of Everest with the flag, you know, the camera by four minutes of fame, it's happening. And so I think, I would say Josh is the one that probably feels that the most.

Dan Patrick (38:15)

Matthew Stafford, a dinosaur. Is this the last of the pocket passer?

Paulie (38:23)

Yeah. Yes. And why I say that is there's, you have to threaten the line of scrimmage. There's too many free yards. Matthew learned the game in a more sophisticated era and so he takes advantage of that. He learned it when no one was open. The middle of the field was patrolled and you know, it's a death zone. You know, flats weren't open all the time. People could hit the quarterback however they wanted to. He learned and so he's been taking advantage. He's, he's abusing, he's abusing the game today because, and that's why Tom Brady wanted to play forever. That's why Peyton wanted to play forever. That's why Drew Brees wanted to play forever, you know, because they knew that they had a sophistication that they could take advantage of. And so yes, Matthew is the last of those guys that are around and I would say Aaron Rodgers, those two, the last that have been around in a more sophisticated era and now, you know, but Aaron always stood in the last scriven. So it's not the same. But the dinosaur is I'm somebody that's going to throw the ball so, you know, spectacularly from the pocket, but I just can't get those yards. It'll eat you up over time. You can't. You might be good, you might even be great, but you can't win Super Bowls and, and, and dominate. If you're going to start in 20, 25 as a rookie and not somebody that go get those yards. It's just, it's, it's too hard. You've made the degree of difficulty like an Olympic dive. Like it's, it's. What is it? 5. What's the hard dive? 10, 0. I can't remember what. How they do it.

Dan Patrick (39:57)

What's. I look in your office and it doesn't seem.

Paulie (40:00)

Look, it's Christmas time. Let me. Let me work like Santa's, Santa's workshop. Just let it. Let it happen. Why you have to start getting personal and, like, trying to dig at me? Like, man, I'm just trying to get stuff done.

Dan Patrick (40:13)

I'm just looking at, you know, there's no football related stuff there. I didn't know you were going, what's right off my head?

Paulie (40:19)

What is this right here?

Dan Patrick (40:20)

Okay. Got a helmet. That's one thing.

Paulie (40:23)

Well, it's a museum. You want me to be like a dinosaur. You're trying to dinosaur me. I see what you're saying. It's like, we want a museum. So we come in and a wax figure like, no, my house is not. If you walk through my house, you would not know I played. I'm not gonna burden my kids with that. Like, you know, this is a helmet signed by all the hall of Famers. Seems kind of special, so we'll just wing that one out.

Dan Patrick (40:46)

But, yeah, but when. When your daughters, when they have boyfriends who come over, those dudes want to see what your. What you got here? Let's not kid anybody.

Paulie (40:55)

Well, I got the shotgun for that.

Dan Patrick (40:56)

I mean, I got.

Paulie (41:00)

I got that up on the wall.

Dan Patrick (41:02)

Oh, okay. All right. Okay. So you got your little Santa spark shop there. Okay. All right. You got a little helmet there. Well, that's. That's great. Congratulations on a wonderful career.

Paulie (41:16)

Thank you.

Dan Patrick (41:17)

Thank you. What?

Paulie (41:17)

I could have been the Dodgers. I mean, that's where I really.

Dan Patrick (41:20)

Yeah, I mean, yeah. Well, you know, my research staff, they had you playing for the Dodgers.

Paulie (41:26)

What I could have been, bro.

Dan Patrick (41:27)

You could have been. Could have been a Dodge before.

Paulie (41:30)

Oh, Tommy.

Dan Patrick (41:35)

Thanks for joining us as always.

Paulie (41:37)

You're the best dancing buddy.

Dan Patrick (41:38)

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Paulie (45:32)

Hey, how's it going guys? What's up?

Dan Patrick (45:34)

Hey. Hey, Tone.

Paulie (45:36)

Hey. So just give us some perspective on Louisiana. So I grew up in San Diego and then I went to college in Louisiana. Different kind of place. Lane Kiffin, total no brainer to go there, man. Louisiana's it's, it's the place to be, man, as far as college football goes. But I went there. You kind of got to lay off the guy for the God quote, man. I went there from San Diego. I know looking back that God brought me there to get saved and also introduced me to the religion of college football.

Dan Patrick (46:07)

Okay, you're welcome. Point made. Thank you.

Paulie (46:12)

Nice to have.

Dan Patrick (46:14)

Yeah, we know LSU is a great place. Nobody's denied that once again, he's gonna win there and may win a national championship. It's just the mess of leading up to it, that's all. He can go. He can make as much money as he wants. I couldn't care less. But you know, there, there's some casualties left in his wake, that's all. Dave in San Diego. Hi, Dave. What's on your mind today?

Paulie (46:40)

How you doing? Thank you for taking my call, Dan. Yeah, I just want to make one quick point that I haven't heard anybody really talk about. And if you're a coach, changing jobs as in Kiffin's is an example, but it works with all these guys. The big thing is recruiting, right? So one of the things, if you're getting kids in from the Portal or the high school kids and all this commitment time and they make these dates. No one's talking about the fact that most universities right now are getting close to the end of their semester, the holiday time, they come back. If you can't get guys enrolled, transfers in time, then you're kind of out of luck in terms of recruiting. So these coaches sometimes it doesn't time out when they want to take a job. But their whole point is they got to get the best players they can, not to mention put their staff together. There's going to be in this.

Dan Patrick (47:43)

Yeah, we got. Yeah, we got that. We've talked about that. I understand college football needs an overhaul. You just need. You need to look at the bigger picture here. What makes the most sense for the future of college football? You know, it's like with college basketball, hey, let's expand it. Okay. How much more do you expansion do you have with the March Madness where it dilutes. It used to mean something when you've made the tournament. Now if you don't make the tournament, then it's like, what's wrong with you? And then, you know, you. Jim Boeheim, he goes, they should expand it to 96. Well, yeah, he's saying that from a coach's perspective. But I still think. And I'm okay if you want to have more, you know, play in games or first round games. I mean, they don't even acknowledge them as real games. You know, the way they label them, you know, the first four, it's just these are the first games, you know, you're. You're kind of in, but you're not really in. Yes, Mark.

Paulie (48:41)

Nothing more annoying than Team 69 coach getting upset.

Dan Patrick (48:45)

You had four months to make the tournament.

Paulie (48:47)

You won 17 games.

Dan Patrick (48:49)

You're upset. Paulie, this day in sports history got.

Paulie (48:52)

A couple for you. 1963, MLB got rid of oversized catchers. Mist mitts. I found some pictures. They used to be like 8 inches bigger than they are now. Dan Marino in 1984 with the Dolphins threw his 40th touchdown pass of the season. That was a record at the time. And let's see. Clyde Drexler of your Rockets became the fourth NBA player to reach 2,000 career steals. How about that for Clyde.

Dan Patrick (49:17)

On this date in 1995, Patrick Wa in a blowout and he allowed nine goals in a loss to the Ranger or the Red Wings here. Mario Trombley was the Canadiens coach and Roy demanded a trade. He ended up with the Avalanche and won a Stanley cup that same season. So they left him in like. We're going to teach you a lesson, Mr. Todd. What did you learn? If he was a current Ole miss player, Devin McCourty would vote to keep Lane Kippen as head coach throughout the playoffs for the Rebels. Dylan, what'd you learn today? It's too soon to hate Drake, man. The Patriots. Marvin, you think Joe Burrow's the best.

Paulie (49:54)

Passer in the league. Paul Steve Young has no memorabilia in his office.

Dan Patrick (49:59)

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