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Dan Patrick
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Seaton
Yeah, we got up there right now, worst word in sports. Your options are collapse, quit, cheat and loyalty.
Dan Patrick
Okay.
Seaton
Right now, quit. It has about 48% of that vote, followed relatively closely by cheat. Collapse in loyalty.
Dan Patrick
Not.
Seaton
Not to not voting too high.
Dan Patrick
It's interesting that Fritzi said that the worst word in sports is cheat. And you're wearing a Houston Astros.
Todd Fritz
Yeah, that's a little ironic. There is that.
Dan Patrick
There is that. Yeah. Yeah. Your Astros might not make the playoffs. Yeah. Seattle Mariners gotta cheat more.
Todd Fritz
You really need to bang a garbage can or something. I don't know.
Dan Patrick
Bang a gong. Get it on. Jeff Passon, ESPN Senior Baseball Insider, joining us on the program. How are you?
Jeff Passan
That's a great line, man.
Dan Patrick
Thank you for that.
Jeff Passan
That genuinely made me laugh. Do we have a camera? Can we see the Astros?
Dan Patrick
Yeah. Can we? Mario, can you show Fritzi with his Astros gear? Let me see.
Jeff Passan
Oh, it's the slow pan of shame.
Dan Patrick
Oh, boy.
Jeff Passan
I will say something. It takes some cojones to go and wear that the way that they're playing right now. They suck right now. Like, they've lost five in a row. They have blown it. They're losing games to the A's. They're. They're just out of the playoffs. Like, the Astros are so bad right now that Detroit is still in a playoff spot. And Detroit has had arguably the greatest collapse in September history in baseball.
Dan Patrick
How did that happen? Now, I know you have to have a team that has a comeback, and the Guardians have played well. They pitched really well. But what happened with the Tigers.
Caller
The.
Jeff Passan
Pitching has just been abominable. And, you know, it was interesting because earlier this year, Dan, they, like, they looked like maybe the best team in baseball, and they had continued what they'd done to everyone else last September. That's happening to them right now. Remember, they were 55 and 63 at one point. They traded Jack Flaherty last year, and they wound up making a pretty spirited playoff run to the Division Series, where they pushed Cleveland to Game 5 before Cleveland won that series and faced the Yankees in the alcs. But what the Tigers have done to this point, it's. It's embarrassing. And no, nobody there, frankly, has any answers for it. AJ Hinch is saying, you know, we're trying. We're. We're doing our best, but they just. They look lifeless out there. And when you look at the talent on this Cleveland Guardians team, you say how they have two hitters in Jose Ramirez and Kyle Manzardo, who have OPS pluses over 100, which means they have two hitters who are better than league average two, and they're going to win, it looks like at this point, the American League Central Division, and you look at their pitching staff, and let's not forget they lost their all worlds closer and a rotation piece in Emmanuel Classe and Luis Ortiz to allegations of being involved in gambling. And so the Guardians looked like they were cooked. They were talking about trading Stephen Kwan at the deadline, and here they are. Every year. Stephen Vogt has done an incredible job managing this team, and they just never lost faith. And you got to believe in teams that can push on with what they've been through.
Dan Patrick
I said a couple of weeks ago if cal Raleigh hits 60 and they won the division, that he was going to win the mvp. Being a catcher and a better than average catcher, you win that division and you're hitting 60 home runs. Well, check, check, check. Is. Is he going to win the mvp?
Jeff Passan
I don't know.
Dan Patrick
You're an insider, don't you? Have you taken a straw vote here?
Jeff Passan
I don't ask other reporters. It's like asking somebody who you voted for. They're just things that you don't do in polite society.
Caller
Damn.
Jeff Passan
And let's put it this way. I'm glad that I'm not voting for MVP this year because there's such great cases to be made for both Kyle Raleigh and for Aaron Judge. And let me turn this on you since you are in the clear pro rally camp. Aaron Judge's OPS right now is 175 points higher than Cal rallies. Are you telling me that because Cal Raleigh has a home run total that ends in a round number and that because Cal Raleigh happens to play with really good guys surrounding him and a team that went out and got Josh Naylor and Geno Suarez at the deadline that helped push them toward that division title, are you telling me all that makes up along with the defensive elements for that 175 point gap, which is real, which is significant and which is enormous?
Dan Patrick
Yes.
Jeff Passan
Okay, fair enough. I think it's a great. Honestly, I think both of them have.
Dan Patrick
Been past Mickey Mantle as a switch hitter. He's hitting 60 home runs and he's doing it at the catcher position. That never happens. I mean.
Jeff Passan
No, it never.
Dan Patrick
It never has and it won't happen again. I mean, he'll hit 38 next year, but so.
Jeff Passan
So do you think, do you think you're suffering from Aaron Judge?
Dan Patrick
Yes. Yes. Yeah. Well, that's. That's it. See, but it happens though, Jeff. It happened with Michael Jordan. I voted for him every year, even when Barkley and Karl Malone won because I said there's no more valuable player to the league than Michael Jordan. I don't care what your numbers are. I don't care what your team did. That guy is the most valuable. Aaron Judge and Shohei Ohtani. I said I thought Kyle Schwaber deserved a lot more respect than he's getting because he has. He's going to be a distant second to Shohei Ohtani. And I think that given what the Philly Phillies got the best odds to win the World Series. Schwarber's been unbelievable. But Ohtani has that advantage.
Jeff Passan
His second home run last night was spectacular, 468ft just into the night in Philadelphia. He's absolutely carried the Phillies to this point. And yeah, listen, I'm with you, but I think there's a little inconsistency going on here. If you're voting for Michael Jordan. Every year when Michael Jordan was putting up the best numbers, have you softened as you have grown wise and gone more for the narrative vote? Because the objective vote is for Aaron Judge. The narrative vote is unquestionably for Cal rally.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, but Aaron Judge was not Michael Jordan in the postseason. I was voting on the totality of what that season was going to be. And Aaron Judge is not a great postseason performance.
Jeff Passan
Yeah, we don't get to vote. Like all of our votes are due before the postseason begins.
Dan Patrick
Oh, I'm not saying that what, you know, what my formula was, was fair. But, but I think it kind of bore out that, hey, he did win six championships in those years, even when he wasn't the mvp. And Aaron Judge, you know, has done incredible, you know, hitting 50 home runs. He's been incredible. He really. Yeah, he really has been incredible. I just think, you know, this as a writer, we love a new story. What else are you going to say about Aaron Judge? You know, he nearly went to the Giants. Boy, he was a great high school tight end. What. How about.
Jeff Passan
Okay, how about this? Aaron Judge is in the midst of one of the great stretches in baseball history for hitters. Putting him up there with Barry Bonds, Babe Ruth and I'm not sure who else. Like, it's one of those types of stretches where when you look at what Aaron Judge has done over the last four seasons in particular, but really for the entirety of his career, he has made himself within 10 years an inner circle. First ballot, no doubt, hall of Famer who's going to go down among the greatest players in the history of the greatest franchise in baseball. And this year in particular, what he's doing. He's leading the league in batting, hitting.330 around 3:30 when nobody hits for average anymore. In an era where home runs are not difficult to come by necessarily, but certainly not easy, he's going out and hitting them with regularity. He gets on base more than anyone. He slugs better than anyone. He just puts up numbers that are so much different than everybody else in the sport. He is the outlier, Daniel and, and I.
Dan Patrick
But I think Aaron Judge is great. He's not a great postseason performer, has not Been. Yeah. Okay. But we look at all of the greats of all time and what do we focus on? Postseason. That's how you become greats of all time. Aaron Judge is a wonderful regular season player. I have no, no qualms with.
Jeff Passan
Do you think, do you think Dan Marino was great? Do you think Charles Barkley was great?
Dan Patrick
I mean, come on, like, we're great regular season players.
Jeff Passan
Yeah, I don't, I, I don't personally differentiate those two, I feel like.
Dan Patrick
But we do that with quarterbacks all the time. Eli's going to the hall of Fame. Why? Because he won two Super Bowls, not because of what he did during the regular season. So we pick, you know, why don't we do that in other sports? Barry Bonds didn't win anything. Yeah, we, we, we crushed Clayton Kershaw because he can't do anything in the postseason. He's one of the greatest regular season pitchers of all time. Like, we do hold other people accountable in other sports. Why can't we do that? You know, aside from quarterbacks?
Jeff Passan
100% you can. It is within your right and it makes for great arguments. I just, you know, I look at it like, I think the regular season matters and I just don't want that to get swept away amid all of the discussion about what the postseason is.
Dan Patrick
Okay. Ohtani is always going to have like a 20 yard head start in a 40 yard dash, right? Totally. I mean, every season he starts at the 20 yard line and everybody starts, you know, at the starting line. And he didn't really pitch that much. It's just now he did, you know, hit home runs, but he didn't steal bases like he did his average, you know, dip considerably. But he's going to run away with another mvp.
Jeff Passan
Yeah, because he's putting up almost identical numbers and in some case better numbers than Kyle Schwaber.
Dan Patrick
No.
Jeff Passan
By the way, he threw 50 innings of sub 3 era baseball on top of that. Like, it's just, it's, it's tough, it's tough for me to, to look at Ohtani and not vote for him. Every year he stays healthy just because he's two players in one dude.
Dan Patrick
I know, I know.
Jeff Passan
Like, you just, I, I can't get past that. He, he is the freak of all freaks. And honoring him with the MVP award, I'm not sure that even does, does him the service that he's owed.
Dan Patrick
I felt like a little tense there. I'm sorry. I get a little animated here, so.
Jeff Passan
No, there's no tension at all. I, listen, I, I Appreciate. I appreciate arguing with people who are wrong. It's great.
Dan Patrick
I know. Me too. Can we get rid of this stupid term robo ump? Because it's not a robo ump. Okay?
Jeff Passan
No, it is not a robo ump.
Dan Patrick
But people think there's going to be robots out there, Jeff.
Jeff Passan
And I tell them, yeah, but I, I love that. I would love to see, like, just. I would love to see what a robot umpire strike call would look like. Like, no, but robots are good enough these days where I feel like the guy would be like, pretty smooth and calling a strike. And I've always wondered, like, if I were an umpire, what would my strike three call be? I feel like we could get a robot umpire doing a backflip into the splits and then just like ringing a guy up right there. But no. The automated ball strike system. It's 12 cameras that are around the ballpark that can track a pitch with margin of error of 1. 6 of an inch. And the idea is to ensure that there are no really bad calls that are made in high leverage, important situations. And beyond that, I think it's also an opportunity or it's going to become an opportunity to reward people who understand the strike zone. Like, if you're a catcher or a hitter who has a great grasp of the strike zone, this is a rule that's going to advantage you and it's going to make you become a more valuable player.
Dan Patrick
You know what's great about the postseason?
Caller
Everything.
Dan Patrick
We don't start with somebody on second base in the 10.
Jeff Passan
Listen, I like, I love, I love the pitch clock. I think ABS is going to be really great. I am totally with you on the automatic runner. And I, I think it's a. I, I get the intention behind it. I, I just don't like it. Give me, give me 17 inning games all day. I'll take them, especially in the playoffs.
Dan Patrick
Good to talk to you. We'll chop it up again in the postseason. Thank you. Can't wait, buddy.
Jeff Passan
Thanks for having me.
Dan Patrick
Jeff Passon, he's always wrong. ESPN Senior Baseball Insider. Hey, get fired up a little bit there. Passionate. That's what they used to call it. I got passion. Yes.
Marvin
Marvin, as far as baseball, you were talking about the postseason. I think numbers are more important than World Series wins. When you're talking about who gets into the hall of Fame or not. Ted Williams, he doesn't have any rings, but we still consider him to be the greatest hitter of all time, right?
Dan Patrick
Yeah, but back then you didn't have wild cards and you, you, you had one opportunity. You had to beat the Yankees. If you didn't beat the Yankees, didn't make the playoffs.
Marvin
Oh, I know that.
Dan Patrick
Okay, so we, we look at guys. Mike Trout's been in three playoff games.
Marvin
But I'm just saying.
Dan Patrick
And you have these wild card opportunities.
Marvin
But I'm just saying, as far as the numbers.
Dan Patrick
Oh, I know numbers do matter.
Marvin
In baseball, more so than any other sport. The numbers are the most important thing. It doesn't matter about, like you said, because only two teams went to the World Series and there was no wild card, no divisional round. That's the only thing that was important. So we're talking about, oh, who got to the playoffs, who didn't. It's not important.
Dan Patrick
But why is it we don't look at championships, World Series in baseball the way we do the NBA and football, quarterbacks and all players in the NBA, but baseball. Barry Bonds didn't win anything, went to a World Series. He didn't do anything.
Marvin
But I think it's because of the historical context. We don't know how many World Series Babe Ruth won. We know the Yankees won a lot of World Series, but that's not why we consider him to be the greatest player of all time.
Dan Patrick
But why don't, why don't we. Is it weighed the same way with how many championships we do this with pitchers? Probably more. So what was, you know, your record or er. You know, Kurt Schilling, to me, is a Hall of Famer because of what he did in the postseason. Yes. Pauling. Yeah.
Paul
Kurt's a great example. He was a very good regular season pitcher. He finished three times runner up for Cy Young. He was lights out in the postseason. 11 and two, three titles. He was directly responsible for three titles. And he does not get the boost to the hall of Fame.
Dan Patrick
Yeah. And you know, his politics have hurt him, but they shouldn't. You know, we, It. I, I just. What did you do as a baseball player? Were you a good teammate? As a baseball player is another thing that's brought up. And if Kurt Schilling played quarterback, he'd be a Hall of Famer. Right. He'd have three titles. He'd be largely responsible. Let's say he went 11 and 2 in the postseason and won three titles. He's a Hall of Famer. All right, let me take a break. Get some phone calls here. I like that. Get a little fired up here.
Marvin
Baseball talk.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, a little conversational chatter there. You know, I like that. All right, we'll take a break. We're back after this. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, we're Covino and Rich, Fox Sports radio every day, 5 to 7pm Eastern. But here's the thing. We never have enough time to get to everything we want to get to. And that's why we have a brand new podcast called Over Promised. You see, we're having so much fun in our two hour show. We never get to everything honestly, because this guy is over promising things we never have time for. Yeah, you blubber lips blaming me. Well, you know what? It's called Over Promise. You should be good at it because you've been over promising women for years. Well, it's a Covino and Rich after show and we want you to be a part of it. We're going to be talking sports, of course, but we're also gonna talk life and relationships. And if Rich and I are arguing about something or we didn't have enough time, it will continue on our after show called Over Promised. Well, if you don't get enough Covino and Rich, make sure you check out Over Promised and also uncensored, by the way, so maybe we'll go at it even a little harder. It's gonna be the best after show podcast of all time. There you go. Over Promising. And remember, you could see it on YouTube, but definitely. Join us Listen to Over Promise with Cavino and rich on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine being able to change your bed's firmness whenever you like. You can with the Sleep Number Smart Bed. You and your partner have different sleep number settings. Mine's 75 and you're able to do whatever you want with that bed. And there's so much more to that. Three smart reasons why a Sleep Number Bed is made for you the personalized Comfort how about Staying cool Klymit series Smart beds cool up to 20 times faster than the leading competitor. You'll stay asleep longer. The bed responds and adjusts to you all night long. Temperature solutions to help you sleep your best. So why choose a Sleep Number smart bed? So you can choose how you want to sleep. The only bed that lets you make each side firmer or softer. Whatever you like. That's your sleep number setting. Mine 75 and right now get free home delivery with the purchase of most beds limited time exclusively at a Sleep Number store near you. See store for details or sleepnumber.com.
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Dan Patrick
But don't eat it while we're on the show.
Todd Fritz
No, I was in the other room eating it. I saw a little piece with me. But I'm going to wait on that.
Dan Patrick
Okay? Yeah, just hold off on that. Okay. Steve in Georgia. Hi Steve, thanks for holding. What's on your mind today?
Caller
Hey, Dan Traveling Steve from Alpharetta. Just wanted to let you know that I was in between Binghamton and Syracuse when I called in the rain. Behind a tractor trailer in the wash.
Dan Patrick
In the right hand lane.
Caller
Traveling 65 miles an hour. I'm calling about the. The name for the umps.
Dan Patrick
Okay.
Caller
You know, the A, ABs, automatic, bolt and Strikes. I thought. What about calling them? No, seems they couldn't call them right when they could call them. So why don't you just call them? No. Sims.
Dan Patrick
Thank you, Steve. Safe travels. Jimmy in Houston. Hi, Jimmy. What's on your mind today?
Caller
Hey, Dan. How you doing?
Dan Patrick
Good, man.
Caller
I just. I just heard your interview with Tyson that he's talking about how Cal Raleigh might not be the mvp. What are we talking about here? Like, I'm a huge Astros fan, and it's a huge collapse where we've had in the last week, but to say that Cal Raleigh's not the, like, mvp, that's. That's. That's hogwash, man. That guy's mvp.
Dan Patrick
All right, thank you, Jimmy. I agree. You win the division, you are putting up historical numbers, and you're doing that as a catcher. I think 48 of his 60 home runs came while he was catching a game. He's a better than average catcher. I don't know if he's contin, you know, considered elite. I haven't looked at those numbers, but you talk about value, and that's what we're talking about. And yes. Is there voter fatigue? Probably. With Aaron Judge, I guess. But Cal Raleigh did something special. Aaron Judge was Aaron Judge. Cal Raleigh did something special. Yeah.
Paul
Paul, I'm looking at Aaron Judge's numbers. He's given the voters no wiggle room, though. I mean, the drop off is minuscule at best. He will not the past four years, there's no room. Like you said about Ohtani, he didn't pitch a lot. And his. His stolen bases numbers were quite a bit down. They were galactic last year, but Judge has given them nowhere to go.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, the Judges put forth a Judge season. Cal Raleigh put forth something that has never happened before. You know, When Judge hit 62 home runs, give him the MVP. No problem with that. But Cal Rawley sits 60 for a team that won their. Yankees didn't win their division. The Mariners won their division. I have to, like. You got to factor in everything here. And the fact that he's a catcher. I have to factor that in. Let's see. Andy in Newport. Hi, Andy. What's on your mind today?
Caller
Good morning, boys. 62205 and I was calling the way in on Fritzi. I never thought I'd call it and say, suck it, Fritzi, but the fact that you do not move over in the fast lane, you could suck it.
Dan Patrick
Thank you.
Todd Fritz
That's All I wanted to say. And Clinton Kershaw had a great regular season.
Dan Patrick
You are adjusting, though.
Todd Fritz
I am.
Dan Patrick
Right? Yeah.
Todd Fritz
Because that's. That was. That's not my intent. And if people think that now I feel bad that I'm purposely trying to block traffic.
Dan Patrick
DraftKings has Cal Raleigh as a slight favorite over Aaron Judge. World Series odds, Phillies are your favorite. And then it's the Mariners, then the Dodgers, then the Yankees, Brewers, Blue Jays, Padres, and the Cubs. Keith. And Chico is back. Hi, Keith. What's on your mind today?
Caller
Hey, Dan, thanks for having me back. I wanted to make a comment and ask a question.
Dan Patrick
Okay.
Caller
Earlier you guys were talking about quitting and then had a nice dialogue about how Andrew Luck quit. I'd like you to break down how Antonio Brown quit and maybe give us your thoughts on the right and wrong ways to quit. Thanks, guys.
Dan Patrick
Well, not during a game or I mean, he took his jersey off, he went crazy. That there's no right way to quit during a game, but they're not throwing you the ball and you're upset. You know, that's embarrassing. With Antonio Brown, I mean, I still maintain when Vontez Perfect hit him and gave him a concussion, that seemed to change him. Although, you know, I talked to somebody in Pittsburgh this, maybe it was last year, and they talked about how Antonio Brown got full of himself. You know, he had become a star and he seemed to change. Therefore, there was this entitlement and that does happen at that position. A sense of entitlement. I need my touches. I don't care who you are, you may be the greatest quarterback of all time. Get me the ball. And you know, sometimes you're not thinking straight and it's certainly. That's quitting. That's flat out quitting on your team. Yes.
Marvin
Mark, is Antonio Brown going to have like a Kurt Schilling situation where he's left out of the hall of Fame because of his antics off the field?
Dan Patrick
I don't know if he has the numbers to be a whole, you know, wide receiver. Like, he was there for five or six years. You could say he was the best or in the conversation, best wide receiver. I just, I don't know if he's going to stack up statistically to everybody else. Yes, Seaton.
Seaton
Yeah, I was going to say he had a six year run and even really seven out of eight years, he had a run that was spectacular. Everybody knew he was getting the ball and you still couldn't stop him. Him and Julio Jones were sort of 1A and 1B of by far the best wide receivers in the game.
Dan Patrick
And I would take Antonio Brown.
Seaton
Yeah, I would too.
Dan Patrick
I just felt like you could put him anywhere on the field and he was going to separate. You know, he could take a two yarder and take it 50. Julio to me was your prototypical tall receiver, could run at great hand. You know, all hall of Fame receiver. Antonio Brown was just one of those guys that came out of nowhere and you're like, he's unstoppable.
Seaton
Spectacular.
Dan Patrick
Yeah.
Seaton
Unbelievable player.
Dan Patrick
Yeah.
Paul
Paul, if you took Antonio Brown's name off these numbers for a six year run, he averaged 115 catches and 1500 yards a season. And about. I'm looking about 11 touchdowns a season, four first team all pros in a row. There's. That gets you in.
Dan Patrick
I don't know.
Paul
No, I'm saying it. He's not, he's not going to go in on the first ballot.
Dan Patrick
No, no, he's not going to be.
Paul
They make people pay.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, he's. Yeah, they factor in stuff off the field even though they shouldn't because they did that with Michael Irvin, Terrell Owens. They didn't do it with Lawrence Taylor. They did with some other people there. Yes, Marv.
Marvin
Well, even on the field because we just talked about the way he quit.
Dan Patrick
Yeah.
Marvin
He quit in the middle of the game at MetLife Stadium. So that's definitely going to hurt.
Dan Patrick
Did he get a thousand catches in his career?
Paul
He had 928 catches, but he did it basically in seven seasons.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, but you, you still. They don't pro rate you. They'd like to know like how many did you end up with? It seems like you have to get to a thousand receptions. Yeah.
Paul
Pauly, Calvin Johnson only has 731 catches.
Dan Patrick
Yeah.
Paul
He was first team all pro three years in a row, not four.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, yeah.
Paul
He had one season with more than 100 catches.
Dan Patrick
Yeah. I was watching the. It's, I guess it's a 30 for 30 on Lane Kiffin, but it was on the mothership last night. Like the many lives of Lane Kiffin and Lane Kiffin was the Raiders coach and he's 31 years of age and he quickly realizes he has no input here. Al Davis is going to make the call. They have the number one pick in the draft and Lane Kiffin wants to take Calvin Johnson. Al Davis says, no, we're taking jamarcus Russell, one of the biggest busts in NFL history. And Kiffin is saying, look, I got a guy who's going to be a Hall of Famer there, and I want to take Calvin Johnson, and Al Davis wanted to take jamarcus Russell. But Al loved to have that guy who could throw it down the field. He loved. He. He was always in love with the bomb. In fact, you know, Daryl lamonica, the mad Bomber. Kenny Stabler didn't have a great arm, but, you know, you still had wide receivers who could get down the field. But, you know, Kiffin was 31 years of age, and it's well done, you know, because you realize Lane Kiffin, he's had many lives, and he's done a great job at Ole Miss. I think he's in his, what, sixth year? This is the longest he's ever been in a job and got his kids there living with him. Now his daughter's dating somebody from lsu, and now Ole Miss plays lsu. He's a football player. And then Lane says, take the over in that game. I don't know what he means by that, but I don't want my coach talking about the point spread. I. I don't want that at all. Hey, take the over. Okay? That means both teams aren't going to stop each other. But then his daughter's boyfriend, I think, is a linebacker, and maybe that's what he's saying. Take the over because we're going to score on their asses. Yes. Paulie.
Paul
Oh, he's jabbing them.
Dan Patrick
Yeah.
Paul
He didn't say take the over because I am really bad. I've got that 2007 draft. Jamarcus Russell, taken number one by Oakland amongst the players they passed on. Calvin Johnson, Joe Thomas, Adrian Peterson, Patrick Willis, Darrell Revis in the first 15 picks.
Dan Patrick
Yeah.
Caller
Yikes.
Dan Patrick
Al. And I don't know when that movie is coming out with Christian Bale and Nicholas Cage, but every time I see Christian Bale, I mean, he looks like Al Davis. And they've done a really good job with Nicholas Cage looking like John Madden. Like, that's not one of those where you go, you know who would look like a really good John Madden? Nicholas Cage. But they did a pretty good job there. Anthony in Long Island. Hi, Anthony. Anthony.
Caller
Do I. Ben.
Dan Patrick
Are you at work? Anthony? Anthony.
Caller
Hey. I'm sorry, Dan. Sorry. All right, so Europe is going to win the Ryder Cup. It is a lock.
Dan Patrick
A lock, huh?
Caller
Okay, they're plus. They're like plus 170, but it's a lock. Let me just tell you why real fast. They have the same team as last time when they dominated. The US does not have the same team. They have a weaker team. They don't have Jordan Speed. They don't have Ricky Fowler and Keegan. Bradley snubbed Maverick McNeely by taking Sam Burns and Patrick Cantley. Okay, sure, we have home advantage in the last five Rider Cups, have won at home, but Europe is going to take this. It's not even going to be close.
Dan Patrick
Does anybody want to take USA vs Anthony there on Long Island?
Paul
Kind of have to, right?
Dan Patrick
Yeah. Usa. Anthony's taking the European team. All right, usa, get ready for that chant. Thank you, Anthony. I guess, you know, nobody wants to be too invested in that. You're all up. You're.
Seaton
Or it's not the same.
Dan Patrick
No, it's not.
Seaton
Doesn't really work the same way, does it?
Dan Patrick
Yo. Oh, Josh in California. Hi, Josh. What's on your mind today?
Caller
Hi, Dan. Yeah, 59175. Most of that's. I just wanted to call about judging a player based on his postseason performance. I think it's. That's fair in basketball. Based on the team size, he has a bigger impact. Where baseball, football. It's so difficult to say one player is just the best ever because it just depends on a lot of other factors, you know, like, like football. That's why St. Patrick Mahomes is better than Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson's. Tough because Patrick Mahomes has been in such a. He's been blessed with a great team, great coach, great coordinators, great defense. So I just think it's harder to say a player is great or outstanding just based on his postseason performance or the team's performance based in football and in baseball. But in basketball, it seems more fair.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, I mean, there's five guys out there and you have more of a say in the outcome of a game. But we judge quarterbacks, and they're only out there for half the time. Baseball, same thing. Offense, you know, you're out there playing defense and then you go. But, you know, pitchers, we tend to. We add more value or subtract more value depending on what you did in the postseason. And in some cases that, you know, you could be borderline hall of Famer or you could be. No doubt. John Smoltz got into the hall of Fame for a couple of reasons. Now, in no particular order, very media friendly. He was a great starting pitcher and become a. Became a great closer as well. And he was great in the postseason. Jack Morris got into the hall of Fame because Jack Morris was the ace for three different teams that won World Series titles. It does add value. I'm not saying it should necessarily take away as much as it does add. Yes, Marvin.
Marvin
So I think it adds value. If you're a borderline hall of Famer, it's not going to put you in, say, if you're, you know, Hank Aaron, like, man, he had a great World Series, okay? But he still has 755 home runs and 3,000 hits, so that's not going to matter to him. But a borderline hall of Famer like Jeter, five rings, helps him get into the hall of Fame. I think he'd get in anyway. But it helped him get into the hall of Fame.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, but it's. It's more of a pitching element for me, that pitchers will stand out because they used to be in control of a game, whereas a hitter, I can pitch around you, I can take you out of a game. Pitcher like Pedro Martinez or Sandy Koufax or Clayton Kershaw, you know, what did you do in the postseason? What did you not do in the postseason?
Paul
Yeah, Paulie, John Smoltz was, like you said, was a very good regular season pitcher in the Postseason. He was 15 and 4 in his career. One of the best of all time. Greg Maddox might be the greatest regular season pitcher of all time. That's a lot of experts say that in the postseason he was 11 and 14.
Dan Patrick
Yeah. Tom Glavin wasn't great during the postseason, but great during the regular season. Mike in Oregon. Hey, Mike, what's on your mind today?
Caller
Hey, 5, 10, 1, 90. I think maybe, Dan, you're kind of pulling a Fritzy here. I love you guys. Listen to you. Every day, Fritzi behaves a certain way because he thinks people should be slowing down so he doesn't move out of the lane. You think we should be everybody. It's not the regular season mvp. You think it's the entire season mvp. When it's not, it's the regular season mvp. And the speed limit is what the speed limit is. But Fritz, he thinks the speed limit should be something different. You think it should be something different? I think you're pulling a Fritzy here.
Dan Patrick
Love you. First of all, Mike, you're wrong because I am viewing the regular season. Cal Raleigh hasn't been in the postseason yet. I'm talking about him being the mvp. Jordan's the only one I treated differently, and I looked at that, what was going to be, what was going to happen, and I thought that he would win championships. That's all. Whether it was right or wrong during that stretch when I was voting. But I'm talking about what the postseason can mean for you Cal Raleigh should win the MVP because it's a regular season award. I'm not holding Aaron Judge not playing well last year in the postseason against him. This year he's put up MVP like numbers, but I don't know how you get. I'm. I'm only talking about the postseason. I'm talking about certain sports in certain positions where what you do in the postseason is magnified. Yes.
Marvin
Marvin, if Cal Rley was in the National League, would he be your MVP.
Dan Patrick
If they win the division? If they won the National League west over the Dodgers?
Marvin
Yes.
Dan Patrick
Yes. Okay, yes, I would have him as the mvp.
Marvin
But it has to be a magical historical season for somebody to beat Otani out.
Dan Patrick
He won the division. His team won the division. I gotta factor that in. And he hits 60 home runs and he plays catcher. Never happened before. Take a break. Back after this. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live Imagine being able to change your bed's firmness whenever you like. You can with the Sleep number smart bed. You and your partner have different sleep number settings. Mine's 75 and you're able to do whatever you want with that bed. And there's so much more to that. Three smart reasons why a sleep number bed is made for you. The personalized comfort. How about staying cool? Klymit Series smart beds cool up to 20 times faster than the leading competitor. You'll stay asleep longer. The bed responds and adjusts to you all night long. Temperature solutions to help you sleep your best. So why choose a Sleep number smart bed? So you can choose how you want to sleep. The only bed that lets you make each side firmer or softer. Whatever you like. That's your sleep number. Setting mine 75. And right now get free home delivery with the purchase of most beds limited time exclusively at a sleep number store near you. See store for details or sleepnumber.com Patrick.
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Paul
Paulie, A bag of peanuts. Just go through them.
Dan Patrick
Okay. Marvin.
Marvin
Nachos.
Dan Patrick
Okay.
Todd Fritz
Ice cream in a mini baseball helmet.
Dan Patrick
Well, but you'd have ice cream.
Todd Fritz
Yeah, I would, but not yet. Nachos is something that I would normally not have, but at a game, I would enjoy.
Dan Patrick
Something about a hot dog when it's grilled.
Seaton
Yo, that's it right there, dude.
Dan Patrick
Yeah. Yep.
Seaton
Nailed it.
Marvin
Baseball noises. Come on, now.
Dan Patrick
Yeah.
Seaton
Well, bingo, babe.
Marvin
Keep modest there. Keep on.
Dan Patrick
Blue. Hot.
Paul
That hot bat.
Dan Patrick
Come on, blue.
Marvin
We stay, kid.
Dan Patrick
Come on. Squeezing him. You're squeezing in blue? Yes, Todd.
Todd Fritz
When was the last time, Even if they sell it, but Cracker Jacks at the supermarket, that seems like something that would be a baseball game.
Dan Patrick
That is true.
Todd Fritz
Nowhere else ever.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, peanuts, Cracker Jacks. I don't care if I ever get back. Aren't there peanuts in Cracker Jacks?
Paul
Yes, confirmed.
Todd Fritz
But they are sold as two separate items, I think.
Dan Patrick
Thank you to Ed in Chicago. I had.
Caller
Hey, good morning. First off, tip of the cap to Tyler. Just a nice dude, does a great job, always personable. I'm sure it's hectic as heck, and I appreciate how kind he is. Apologies up front. I'm a little behind on today's show. Look forward to catching it on the pod, but I gotta say, yesterday, guys, and one of my favorite things of your show is the callbacks. I got a callback to yesterday. I've never been so mad at someone as I was at Fritzi. And I do love you, Fritzi, but I was yelling at the radio. Someone please check him. Check him if you want to stay in the left lane. I don't get it. If you want to just toodle along, toodle along in the middle lane and let people pass you. You could still do your five or ten miles an hour over. But you can let the people in the passing lane, as was discussed. Seaton, I know you're with me. Pretty much everyone else was, but, man, it was maddening. I don't know if it was a bit. Don't think that it was Fritzi, but Come on. Get out of the way.
Dan Patrick
There's nothing on this show involving Fritzi that's a bit Nothing. That's who Todd is.
Todd Fritz
I think I'm being misportrayed as someone that just hangs endlessly in the left lane. I'll drive some in the left lane and seat and attest it to said. I spend the majority of my time in the middle. And when I happen to be in the left lane, I don't appreciate someone if I'm going 75 miles an hour driving on my butt.
Dan Patrick
Todd, you portrayed yourself as somebody mis.
Todd Fritz
Portrayed myself. I don't. I don't. I don't drive long distance in the left lane. I'm afraid to crash into the left barrier there. I like the middle lane so I can see what's on my left and right. But when I'm in the left lane and I'm going already 10 miles, 15 past the speed limit, don't be on my butt.
Dan Patrick
We're changing once again, you're moving the goalposts. Did you see where the Canadian Football league is going from 110 yards to 100? What? I think. I think this is. Has this been made public? It's going to be awkward. I. I think they're going from 110 to 100. Do you see anything? Yes, Paulie.
Paul
I saw a story said the CFL end zones are being shortened from 20 yards to 15 yards in 2027.
Dan Patrick
Nothing. Going from 110 to 100.
Paul
That's all I have right now.
Dan Patrick
Okay.
Paul
But you lose 10 yards overall on the field.
Dan Patrick
Okay. That's what made the CFL awesome. Todd has a Thursday night Football headline.
Todd Fritz
I thought I started off.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, go ahead. Nobody else has one. But you. Go.
Todd Fritz
I'm going to go with gosh Darnold. Sam's two picks raises Arizona. I like that one.
Dan Patrick
All right, Paul, you got one cup check.
Paul
Cooper balls out against the Cardinals.
Dan Patrick
You go sexual entendre me double entire. Yes, you do. Okay.
Todd Fritz
And I love it every time.
Seaton
A lot of balls.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, you're fixated on balls.
Paul
No one's gonna take that out of context. Stiff competition goes nuts and win against the Cardinals.
Dan Patrick
Family show Nike. Todd, Julian in Phoenix. Hi, Julia.
Caller
I couldn't get through yesterday. But first. Yeah, I got your back, dude. Like, everybody's sitting here defending criminal, speeding like he's already admitting he's going 75, almost 80. If you guys are in such a hurry. I don't. I. I totally agree with you, Fritzi. And by the way, we're gonna see you at the same exit at the red light anyway, so. Fritzi, you got your back, dude.
Todd Fritz
Thanks, Julian.
Dan Patrick
But Todd is breaking the speed limit, too. He's going 75.
Todd Fritz
That is also wrong. But it's wrong to be on someone's tush. That's not.
Dan Patrick
Yes.
Seaton
I'm not sure about the rest of the country, but I know here in Connecticut there are rarely stoplights on major interstate highways where the speed limit is 65.
Dan Patrick
Yeah. Yes.
Marvin
And Julian, also, who in the blue hell are you to say, you know what? I'm going fast enough. No one else needs to go as fast as I. Yeah.
Dan Patrick
Todd, you have become the speed police with the left lane.
Todd Fritz
I mean very important. You gotta go around me.
Dan Patrick
Go around. What did you learn?
Todd Fritz
Anthony on Long island says Europe is a lock to win the Ryder cup and it won't even be close. Whoa.
Dan Patrick
Seaton.
Seaton
I learned that Todd is actually not a left lane driver.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, well, he's changed been a passenger in my vehicle.
Todd Fritz
He knows.
Marvin
Marvin, you think Jeff Passon is always wrong.
Paul
Paul Todd mis portrayed himself.
Marvin
I did.
Dan Patrick
It's like Barkley said, he misquoted himself in his own book. Todd, what did I learn?
Todd Fritz
We should make an extra effort to acknowledge Marvin more while I apparently suck the air out of the room.
Dan Patrick
Enjoy the football gambling podcast later today@danpatrick.com we'll talk to you tomorrow on a meet Friday.
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Date: September 25, 2025
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts and Dan Patrick Podcast Network
In this lively hour, Dan Patrick dives into MLB’s late-season drama with ESPN’s Jeff Passan, debating controversial MVP races, postseason legacies, and the evolving standards for baseball greatness. The conversation then shifts to NFL wide receiver legacies and Hall of Fame debates, with sharp insight and plenty of signature Dan Patrick show banter.
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On the Astros’ downward spiral:
Passan: “They suck right now... It takes some cojones to go and wear [Astros gear] the way that they’re playing right now.” (05:49)
On the Cal Raleigh MVP case:
Dan: “He’s hitting 60 home runs and he’s doing it at the catcher position. That never happens.” (09:42)
On MVP voting and narratives:
Passan (to Dan): “If you’re voting for Michael Jordan every year... have you softened... and gone more for the narrative vote? Because the objective vote is for Aaron Judge. The narrative vote is unquestionably for Cal Raleigh.” (10:45)
On Ohtani:
Passan: “He is the freak of all freaks. And honoring him with the MVP award, I’m not sure that even does him the service that he’s owed.” (15:47)
On “robo umps”:
Dan: “Can we get rid of this stupid term robo ump? Because it’s not a robo ump. Okay?” (16:11)
On postseason legacies:
Dan: “But we look at all of the greats of all time and what do we focus on? Postseason. That’s how you become greats of all time. Aaron Judge is a wonderful regular season player...” (13:24)
On NFL wide receivers & Hall of Fame:
Dan: “I just felt like you could put [Antonio Brown] anywhere on the field and he was going to separate. You know, he could take a two yarder and take it 50... Antonio Brown was just one of those guys that came out of nowhere and you’re like, he’s unstoppable.” (33:13–33:38)
This episode features Dan Patrick and Jeff Passan at their best: thoughtful, argumentative, and funny. Whether explaining the science behind “robo umpires,” dissecting AL MVP narratives, or weighing the Hall of Fame prospects for controversial NFL receivers, they bring clarity and enthusiasm to every sports topic. The hour is a must-listen for fans interested in the shifting standards of greatness, the power of narrative versus numbers, and the joy of a well-timed hot dog at the ballpark.
For the full discussion, including colorful show banter and fan call-ins, check out Hour 3 of The Dan Patrick Show.