The Dan Patrick Show – Hour 3: Jerry Jones at the NFL Trade Deadline, Reggie Miller
Date: November 4, 2025
Podcast: The Dan Patrick Show
Host: Dan Patrick
Guest: Reggie Miller
Episode Overview
This lively hour centers on the NFL trade deadline's unfolding drama, with a particular focus on the Dallas Cowboys’ moves (or lack thereof) and the role of team owner Jerry Jones. The episode also features an in-depth basketball segment with NBA legend Reggie Miller, touching on his “Mount Rushmore of Dunkers,” the Memphis Grizzlies’ dicey Ja Morant situation, and the perennial debate about Kawhi Leonard’s legacy. Interspersed throughout are classic Dan Patrick Show hallmarks: listener calls, sports nostalgia, and irrepressible banter.
Key Discussion Points and Insights
1. NFL Trade Deadline—Cowboys, Bengals, and the Art of the Deal
• Dan Patrick breaks down the muted trade action, highlighting the Cowboys’ acquisition of Bengals linebacker Logan Wilson and questioning Dallas’s larger plan.
• The host criticizes rental deals and calls out Jerry Jones for not targeting younger, long-term assets for the Cowboys, considering their current lackluster season.
“If you’re Dallas and you’re going to make a move...make a move where you pick up somebody who’s going to be there for a few years. I don’t want a rental.” — Dan Patrick [02:45]
• Discussion extends to the Miami Dolphins’ willingness to move edge rusher Bradley Chubb and the overall chess game of NFL dealing as the deadline looms.
• Dan references Jay Glazer’s insider views on trade motivations and how it’s a matter of "how badly do you want him — how badly do you want to get rid of him?"
2. Quarterback Play—Kyler Murray vs. Jacoby Brissette and Lessons from Tom Brady
• Dan recalls insight from Mark Schlereth (via Byron Leftwich) highlighting Tom Brady’s discipline taking short gains, contrasted with scramble-prone QBs like Kyler Murray (and rising college stars like Caleb Williams and Cam Ward).
“Tom will take it 100 out of 100 times, never get bored taking the profit...There are some quarterbacks that don’t want to throw it. Let me see if I can get something better...You gotta fall in love with boring.”
— Mark Schlereth quoted by Dan Patrick [07:01]
• The discussion identifies a key point: consistency and predictability help both linemen and receivers, and quarterbacks who always look for the big play (like Murray) hurt offensive rhythm.
“The way you win is staying out of third down and long...If somebody’s going to give me a five-yard quick out and I pass it by because I want something better or I want to make a highlight play...that’s selfish football.” — Mark Schlereth via Dan [08:06]
• Poll results overwhelmingly favor Jacoby Brissette as the better Cardinals QB over Kyler Murray, with listeners siding with the more disciplined style.
3. Listener Calls—Sports, Pop Culture, and Mental Health
• A Maryland caller thanks Dan and Jay Glazer for their open discussion of mental health and shares how the show's lighthearted retrospectives helped him through tough times [12:46].
• Another listener challenges Dan on his pop culture choices, pushing him to watch “Lord of the Rings.” Dan admits his poor attention span but is nudged to put it on his retirement bucket list [15:29].
“The problem is I don’t have an attention span. It’s really, really, really limited...I never watch a show all the way through.” — Dan Patrick [15:29]
4. Reggie Miller on the Mount Rushmore of Dunkers
• Dan gives Reggie Miller grief for leaving Dr. J off his original "Mount Rushmore of Dunkers," which included Michael Jordan, Vince Carter, Dominique Wilkins, and Zach LaVine [23:45].
• Reggie concedes:
“To omit arguably the founding father of the dunk is a slight omission from my end...Yes, Dr. J should be in there.” — Reggie Miller [24:29]
• The debate then pivots to the value of “in-game” dunkers vs. dunk contest stars, with names like Sean Kemp, Aaron Gordon, and Mac McClung joining the discussion.
5. Ja Morant and the Memphis Situation
• Dan and Reggie assess whether there’s any saving the Grizzlies’ star, suggesting Morant’s body language and effort point to total disengagement [27:06].
“I believe the ship has sailed. And I think the only way you’re going to be able to turn course is if you get a new coach in there...Ja has checked out.” — Reggie Miller [27:06]
• Reggie points to a lack of veteran presence on the roster, making it impossible for anyone to pull Morant back on track.
• They consider trades (e.g., Ja Morant for Trae Young with the Hawks), but both sides recognize that Morant may not fit just anywhere and would need to substantially change his game and approach.
6. Kawhi Leonard’s Legacy: Greatness or Disappointment?
• Is Kawhi’s career a disappointment due to persistent injuries and "load management?" Dan questions the narrative while Reggie fiercely defends Kawhi’s achievements [32:00].
“Two rings, two Finals MVPs...when healthy and plain and engaged...that dude is a tough out.” — Reggie Miller [32:55]
• Dan draws a parallel to Bill Walton, another what-if story: great but left fans wanting more due to injuries.
7. The Mount Rushmore of Power Forwards
• Reggie’s picks: Tim Duncan, Karl Malone, Kevin Garnett, and Charles Barkley, with Dennis Rodman and Giannis Antetokounmpo considered [34:24].
• The debate hinges on “chips” (championships) and total impact, with strong arguments raised for defense/rebounding (Rodman) versus offense/skills (Giannis, McHale).
“If the basketball gods could bless me with Giannis’s talent in my jump shot, I would be the greatest player to have ever played the game of basketball easily.” — Reggie Miller [35:12]
8. Reggie Miller on Michael Jordan: Rivalry, Respect, and Hypothetical Interviews
• Dan pitches the idea of Reggie interviewing MJ, imagining fireworks and honest revisitations of their fierce battles.
“We just both walk in a room and sit down. Cameras rolling. No exchange. No friendly exchange. Walk in, sit down, look at each other, and just go.”
— Reggie Miller [37:04]
• Reggie explains his unique relationship with Jordan—admiring and respecting him, but also “built up a certain disdain;” he could never have joined the Bulls, even for a ring.
“There’s just no way. And I know people are gonna be like, well, yeah, that’s why you don’t have any rings, probably. So it’s true.” — Reggie Miller [40:20]
Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments
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On boring being beautiful in QB play:
“You gotta fall in love with boring. And that’s why guys who scramble around...don’t win championships.” — Mark Schlereth via Dan [07:10] -
On cultural touchstones vs. sporting events:
“The beer lines were non-existent [at Britney Spears]. That was great. And I thought she put on a great performance.” — Dan Patrick [14:35] -
On Ja Morant’s future:
“The effort’s not there. The hustle’s not there...He has lost his love for the game. And once you do that, I don’t know if you can ever get that back in that situation.” — Reggie Miller [29:39] -
Reggie reflecting on facing Michael Jordan:
“I didn’t love him, respect him, but damn, I also hated him, too.” — Reggie Miller [40:07]
Timestamps of Key Segments
- Cowboys and NFL trade deadline — [01:31 - 06:44]
- Schlereth/Brady QB discipline vs. scrambling QBs — [06:44 - 09:54]
- Kyler Murray vs. Jacoby Brissette debate, poll results — [09:54 - 12:36]
- Listener calls: Mental health, Britney/LOTR — [12:36 - 18:00]
- Reggie Miller: Dunkers Mount Rushmore debate — [23:45 - 26:24]
- Reggie on Ja Morant, Memphis Mess — [26:42 - 30:42]
- Kawhi Leonard career legacy — [31:49 - 33:36]
- Power Forwards Rushmore, Giannis and Rodman arguments — [34:04 - 36:28]
- MJ, rivalry stories, hypothetical interview — [36:40 - 41:02]
Listener Poll Results
- Starting Cardinals QB? — Brissette (82%) over Kyler Murray
- Better team outlook? — Cardinals (69%-73%) over Cowboys
- Preferred career? — Ja Morant (65%) over Kyler Murray
Tone & Style
The episode blends analytical sports discussion with humor, nostalgia, and a sense of genuine rapport, particularly in the reunion with Reggie Miller. Dan’s style remains conversational, irreverent, and always ready for a pop-culture tangent, balanced by candid reflections on sports and life.
For New Listeners
This episode offers a prime example of the Dan Patrick Show’s signature mix: rigorous but playful sports analysis, candid athlete interviews, engaging digressions (both silly and serious), and enthusiastic engagement with listeners—an inviting window into both the drama behind the games and the personalities that define them.