Hour 3 – Manipulating the Madness, Reggie Miller

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show – Hour 3 “Manipulating the Madness, Reggie Miller”

Date: March 9, 2026
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts and Dan Patrick Podcast Network

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Overview

This episode of The Dan Patrick Show’s final hour delves into the madness of March — NCAA Tournament selection and matchups, NFL offseason chaos, and the culture of participation trophies in sports. NBA legend Reggie Miller joins Dan for a wide-ranging, insightful, and entertaining discussion spanning Victor Wembanyama’s rise, the mentality of elite competitors, the Jordan/Kobe/LeBron GOAT debate, and the authenticity of success. The show’s lively banter keeps things energetic, with memorable anecdotes and plenty of listener interaction.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

A. NFL Offseason Chaos & Free Agency (02:11–04:11)

• NFL Trades and Free Agency:
  Dan runs down recent NFL news, including massive trades (Max Crosby, Rashan Gary to Cowboys, Tua Tagovailoa released, DJ Moore trade), and the domino effect these moves will have.
• Free Agency Spending Correlates to Success:
  Dan draws a connection between teams that spent the most in free agency recently (Patriots, Seahawks) and subsequent Super Bowl appearances/wins, noting how quickly a team’s trajectory can change.
• Key Question:
  Where will quarterbacks like Tua, Geno Smith, Kyler Murray, and Malik Willis land?
• Notable Quote:
  “The team that had the most money in free agency last year went to the Super Bowl … So it can be done.” (03:42, Dan Patrick)

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B. NCAA Tournament Selection: Manipulation & TV Matchups (04:11–06:45)

• Poll Question:
  Most questionable recent signing: Cardinals (Kyler Murray) vs. Dolphins (Tua); 72% of listeners vote for Dolphins/Tua.
• Understanding Contracts:
  Most fans admit to being confused by NFL contract intricacies (57% know “very little”).
• Selection Committee Skepticism:
  Dan addresses a source from the March Madness selection committee denying they manipulate matchups for TV, but Dan expresses doubt:

  “Some of those matchups made-for-TV didn’t just happen accidentally. I refuse to believe that.” (05:24, Dan Patrick)

• Paulie’s Perspective:
  Paulie explains the committee first seeds teams, then places them in regions, making it possible to arrange for sensational matchups.

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C. Listener Calls & Lively Banter (06:45–16:02)

• Best/Worst of the Weekend:
  • Mid-major conference championships
  • UConn’s loss to Marquette
  • J.J. McCarthy’s prospects as reclamation project QB (Dan is skeptical on his upside: “He didn’t have off speed… I would give him another year, but not more.” — 07:27)
  • Virginia’s surprising basketball season under Ryan Odom
  • Debate over dirty play by Michigan State’s Jeremy Spears
• Marathon Medals Debate:
  LA Marathon allowed runners who completed 18 miles (instead of full 26.2) to receive same finisher’s medal due to heat.
  • Dan and the crew are against “participation medals.”
  • “Once you get, like, the race really starts at 18 miles… I can’t do a participation medal.” (12:52, Dan Patrick)
  • “You should just get a bumper sticker… ‘I ran part of the marathon.’” (13:41, Stugotz)
• Anecdotes:
  • Seaton recalls the agony and sense of accomplishment of finishing a full marathon.
  • Dan retells the story of his wife running the NYC Marathon — and her companion vomiting at the finish line, then flying home “wrapped in some kind of aluminum foil.” (14:33)

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D. Reggie Miller Joins the Show (21:50–41:50)

1. The Victor Wembanyama Phenomenon (21:50–26:00)

• Wemby’s Versatility and Growth:

  • “WEMBY. Wemby again. Wemby. Both ends of the floor, inside and out…” (21:50, Dan Patrick)
  • Reggie is impressed with how Wemby is adapting to the NBA's physicality:

    “He’s embracing how teams are playing him… using it against them… you truly do not know what you are going to see.” (22:20, Reggie Miller)

  • Compares Wemby’s “must-see” status to MJ and Steph Curry.

• Wemby’s Passion:
  Dan admires how much Wemby cares:

  “You saw him in the All Star game, the Olympics, he truly cares about the outcome… That’s rare.” (24:26)
  Reggie:
  “He wants to be out there every minute… He competes so hard in just his third season and sets a precedence.” (24:50)

2. Building For the Future & NBA’s Next Five Years (26:02–27:13)

• Who Would You Take for The Next 5 Years?
  Reggie, without hesitation:

  “I would take [Wemby] because of what he does at both ends of the floor…” (26:09)

3. Jason Tatum’s Comeback & Eastern Conference Race (27:13–28:58)

• Jason Tatum’s return to the Celtics isn’t cautious — “they didn’t ease him in.”
• Reggie predicts Boston is the team to beat in the East, but Detroit still a threat.
• “This is a guy that’s been off for 10 months with an Achilles injury… absolutely remarkable.” (27:25, Reggie Miller)

4. The GOAT Debate: MJ, Kobe, LeBron (28:58–34:26)

• MJ Refusing to Enter the Debate:
  • Dan: “Why would Mike get involved in the goat debate?”
  • Reggie:

    “Because we’re his minions. That’s our job.” (29:11)
    “All [MJ] needs to do is hold up this [six fingers], and that’s it… He’ll never win if he interjects — that’s our job.” (29:22–29:47, Stugotz/Reggie Miller combined)

• Stacking the Legends:
  • Reggie:

    “The best player of the three is MJ. Kobe is a clone — a better version… LeBron’s had the best career.” (31:31–32:45)

• Defensive Strategy Against Kobe & MJ:
  • Reggie made it “a marathon” to guard them, tiring them out by running constantly (33:33–34:26).

5. Marathon Medals & Participation Trophies (34:26–36:02)

• Both Reggie and Dan are adamant that only finishing the entire marathon counts.
• “If you run 18 miles, you get the same medal as those who completed the full marathon? … That can’t happen…We’re giving out participation medals for just going 18 miles. No.” (35:00, Reggie Miller)
• Reggie rails against participation trophies for kids as well:

  “That’s not how life works. In the business world, it does not work. You do not get a participation trophy for coming in second or third.” (35:24, Reggie Miller)

6. Pain of Losing in the Finals vs. Earlier Exit (36:43–41:33)

• Reggie would always prefer making the Finals than losing earlier — even if the pain is greater:

  “I'll always take the Finals… anything can happen once you get there. But it hurt. Trust me. It stings much more.” (36:52, Reggie Miller)

• Dan: “Would you give up part of your pinky finger on your left hand for a championship?”
• Reggie: “Yes, I would.” (37:47–38:10)
• “When you’re that close and you can taste it and see the finish line, but you can’t get to the finish line…” (38:16, Reggie Miller)
• Kobe’s Step-back Move:
  Reggie shares a story about Kobe “stealing” his step-back jumper move after a friendly one-on-one:

  “That fool was writing it down and using those moves against me in the finals. Ain’t this something! Smart, dude. Smart. Kobe. Rest. God rest. I know you’re looking down on this interview right now, smiling, saying, ‘Yeah, Reg, I got you.’” (40:29, Reggie Miller)

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E. Final Segment: Losing in the Finals or Missing Playoffs? (45:58–47:41)

• Dan reads a listener scenario: If you’re the current Buffalo Bills, would you rather go to four Super Bowls in a row and lose or miss the playoffs four straight years?
• Crew largely prefers the pain of the Super Bowl — “progress,” “gotta make the playoffs.”
• Notable Humor:
  “Seems weird, though, to be like, we haven’t made the playoffs in four years … It’s going exactly how we want it.” (47:30, Marvin)

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Notable Quotes by Timestamp

• “The team that had the most money in free agency last year went to the Super Bowl … So it can be done.” — Dan Patrick (03:42)
• “Some of those matchups made-for-TV didn’t just happen accidentally. I refuse to believe that.” — Dan Patrick (05:24)
• “Once you get, like, the race really starts at 18 miles… I can’t do a participation medal.” — Dan Patrick (12:52)
• “He’s embracing how teams are playing him… using it against them… you truly do not know what you are going to see.” — Reggie Miller on Wemby (22:20)
• “He wants to be out there every minute… He competes so hard in just his third season and sets a precedence.” — Reggie Miller (24:50)
• “The best player of the three is MJ. Kobe is a clone — a better version… LeBron’s had the best career.” — Reggie Miller (31:31–32:45)
• “If you run 18 miles, you get the same medal as those who completed the full marathon? … That can’t happen…We’re giving out participation medals for just going 18 miles. No.” — Reggie Miller (35:00)
• “That’s not how life works. In the business world, it does not work. You do not get a participation trophy for coming in second or third.” — Reggie Miller (35:24)
• “That fool was writing it down and using those moves against me in the finals. Ain’t this something! Smart, dude. Smart. Kobe…” — Reggie Miller (40:29)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 02:11 — NFL free agency dominoes and offseason trade talk
• 04:11 — NCAA tournament poll, “manipulation” debate
• 06:45 — Listener call-ins: college hoops, dirty plays, marathon stories
• 12:10 — LA Marathon finisher’s medal controversy
• 21:50 — Reggie Miller interview begins
• 22:20 — Wemby NBA impact analysis
• 28:58 — Jordan/Kobe/LeBron GOAT debate
• 34:26 — Medal for 18 miles: participation trophy debate
• 36:43 — Losing in the Finals versus earlier playoff exits
• 40:29 — Kobe “stealing” Reggie’s step-back move
• 45:58 — Would you rather lose four Super Bowls, or never get there?
• 49:23 — This day in sports history: Most NBA blocks in a single game

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Conclusion

The hour seamlessly blends major sports news, behind-the-scenes tournament talk, listener interaction, and high-level analysis with Reggie Miller — including compelling stories of competition, character, and legacy. With warmth, humor, and candor, the show navigates both current headlines (NFL, NCAA, NBA) and timeless questions: What does it mean to truly compete? Who’s the greatest? And what is the real value of finishing what you start?

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For listeners who missed the show:
This summary captures the episode’s highlights, spirited debates, and sharp insights — especially from NBA great Reggie Miller. Whether you care about March Madness, NFL chaos, marathon medals, or legendary NBA showdowns, this episode delivers a winning mix.

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Final hour in this Monday. Reggie Miller will join us. Coming up a little bit NFL News this morning you of course had the big trade Max Crosby. Go back to last week with the Rams and the Chiefs with that deal. Rashawn Gary, defensive lineman for the packers going to the Cowboys TUA has officially been released. The DJ Moore trade to the Buffalo Bills. I still wait for A.J. brown to be traded to the New England Patriots and then you're probably going to have one of these quarterbacks land one place and then that'll probably Lead to the domino effect of who else goes? Where does Tua go, where does Geno Smith go and where does Kyler Murray go? You also have Malik Willis. He is the prized free agent quarterback there and the question is how much is he going to cost you? 8773 DP show email address dpdanpatrick.com Twitter handle @dpshow watching Jason Tatum with the Celtics and it's not easing him back into the lineup. He's back in the lineup and Boston is closing in on Detroit Pistons have dropped four in a row. The Chiefs and the let's see the Chiefs, the Raiders, the jets, the Cowboys, they have Browns have two first round draft picks here and you start to look at what you're going to do with those draft picks. Plus, the Raiders had the most money in free agency and if I go back to last year, the team that had the most money in free agency went to the super bowl, the New England Patriots. And they certainly felt like they were a couple of years ahead of schedule but spending money and what were they coming off a four win season. So it can be done. And you had a second year quarterback in Drake May Seahawks spent the fourth most in free agency last year and they won the Super Bowl. All right, let's see. Poll question. What are you going to have for us seating for the final hour of the program?

[Marvin]

Yeah, we got two up there right now from Paul A dude more questionable signing Cardinals and KYLER. Dolphins and Tua. Right now 72% say the dolphins and Tua. How well do you understand the intricacies of NFL contracts?

[Dan Patrick]

A lot.

[Marvin]

Kinda. Or very little. Very little right now is at 57% of the vote. Yeah, it is confusing as hell where you're like, well, why don't they just cut them right now? Well, it's actually better if you wait till March 15.

[Dan Patrick]

Why?

[Marvin]

Well, because then you got to reach a.

[Dan Patrick]

What? It's crazy. I'm still trying to figure out that second apron. You know, it's like, all right, I missed the first apron, now it's the second.

[Marvin]

Does football have aprons or is it NBA? Is it just that?

[Dan Patrick]

Right?

[Marvin]

Who has a hard salary cap and who has more of a soft who doesn't have one at all?

[Dan Patrick]

My favorite is legal tampering. Why call it tampering if you're allowed to do it? But I don't know, just kind of an oxymoron. What did I call you? Todd.

[Stugotz]

That's not very nice.

[Dan Patrick]

No, it's not.

[Stugotz]

I think voters are giving themselves a Little too much credit. That should be like 73%. Know very little about how this all works.

[Dan Patrick]

By the way, I didn't hear from somebody who used to be on the selection committee for March Madness. He said, you're giving us way too much credit if you think we manipulated matchups in the NCAA Tournament. And I, I didn't respond to him. I'm responding to him now. But I have to believe that those, some of those matchups made for TV matchups didn't just happen accidentally. I, I refuse to believe that. And I'm talking to you, my source, who used to be on the committee. Yes, Paulie.

[Paulie]

Yeah, it's almost like a two part process. The NCAA Tournament committee, they decide the seeding of a team, and the next step is to place the team in a region and against possible opponents. So when you get a Texas Tech, Indiana, they've decided their seeds and said, oh, we can make it. So they play each other. Of course they do that. It's a TV show.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. My source said the matchups aren't manipulated. You're giving far too much credit to the committee. I love being accused of it, though. Okay. I still believe that they do that. I would do that. You know, if you're in the. If you're in March Madness, you know, gotta keep winning. So why not make it entertaining matchups that you have a former coach with his team, maybe a player who transferred. Those are fun things. Zach and Knoxville. Hey, Zach, what's on your mind today?

[Caller]

Thanks for taking my call. Best and worse of the weekend vets was just seeing all of those mid major conference championships. It's just always good to see people playing hard defense with something on the line. And worst of the weekend was UConn losing to Marquette. And I just wanted to ask you, do you think J.J. mcCarthy deserves a second chance? I know he's only had 10 starts, but you look at a Sam Darnold or Geno Smith ended up with the jets and Baker Mayfield with the Browns. He went to a very good spot with a very good coach. Do you think that he's a reclamation project or would you move on?

[Dan Patrick]

No. Well, I'd like to know how they feel, because maybe they see something. Well, I'm sure they see things that, you know, we don't see. I only see the games, but I was never a big J.J. mcCarthy fan. That was one of those. Hey, he's gonna. If he proves me wrong, I'll admit it, but I just, I didn't see it in college. I felt like he had A fastball, but he didn't have off speed and they didn't really rely on him to win games very often, which kind of struck me. But I would give him another year at his age with that contract still under contract. But I, I wouldn't give him another year after this one. If I don't see, you know, remarkably higher numbers, consistency, he's going to stay healthy as well. But that coach and that wide receiver. Feels like you could accidentally throw 25 touchdowns. Matt in Nashville. Hi, Matt. What's on your mind today?

[Caller]

Dan, good morning.

[Dan Patrick]

How are you? Good, Matt.

[Caller]

Good, good. Hey, quick. Best and worst of the weekend. Best is resident Virginia Cavalier fan here secretly and sneakily finishing the season 27 and 4 and 15 and 3 in the ACC. First year coach Ryan Odom did a phenomenal job this year building a team with only one returning scholarship player. Guy never even played much. So kudos to the Cavaliers. Hope to see them make a good run the ACC and NCAA tournament. But the worst of the weekend, Dan, I'm not sure if you're familiar with the resume of one Jeremy Spears with Michigan State over the weekend against Michigan had his, I believe, third or fourth groin kick of the year. I don't know how the Big Ten doesn't suspend it for at least a game, maybe even the entire tournament. Guys got about seven dirty plays, seven technicals this year. And even worse than that, Tom Izzo continuing to defend this guy. I mean, it's disgusting. Has no place in college basketball.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, he did coach Draymond Green at Michigan State. So I have seen some of the highlights and you know, they're suspect as far as like, okay, it's not Grayson Allen, but it's close.

[Paulie]

Yeah, Paul, it's really easy to not kick someone in the groin. So when it happens in a game, it's probably on purpose. And if you see it, he did a little like backwards donkey kick towards the guy's groin.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, well, it's like Grayson Allen takes a little effort to try to trip somebody. It doesn't, it doesn't happen like after, like the third or fourth time, you know, then we realize it's not a coincidence. Eric in Oregon. Hi, Eric. What's on your mind?

[Caller]

Good morning, Dan. Thanks for the call. 611 75. I just have one best, no worst of the weekend. I got to take my son up to Portland yesterday for his first NBA game. Got to see The Trailblazers win 131 to 111. So he was hooting and hollering like I've never seen before. I think they made a. Made a fan for life.

[Dan Patrick]

Good. Well, thank you for the phone call. Dylan in Wisconsin. Hi, Dylan.

[Caller]

Hey, Dan. First of all, Minnesota High school hockey tournament. People should watch it. It is magic.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, just. Just to see the hair. The player introductions. The hair. Awesome.

[Caller]

And it was all the tears, and it was good for those kids. Anyways, how about the Badgers beating Purdue on Senior Day? Wonderful. And I don't really have a word, but Rashawn Garrett was time. Good luck, Dallas.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. What happened to Purdue in the second half of the season? Because they were number one there for a little while. That's a veteran team, I believe. But it feels like they kind of fell off in the second half of the season. We had a listener bring up the LA Marathon, and it was a photo finish in the LA Marathon. But then we find out if you did 18 of the 26 miles, you got a medal. Now Seaton has completed the New York City Marathon. How would you feel, Seaton, if people who were running in the marathon after 18 miles got a medal? That is like, what you got, but you finished it. I'd be pissed.

[Marvin]

I'd be super pissed. Between 18 and 26 miles is a massive world of pain that you have to power through to cross the line to get that stupid metal that you're like, hell, yeah, I did it. I got the medal.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, Paul.

[Paulie]

So the backstory is the day or two before the race. The organized organizing body said that the runners will have an additional choice on race day due to the heat. It's gonna be a little hotter than normal, as high in the low 80s. So if you get to mile 18, you could stop and still get credit for finishing the race, and your medal will look exactly the same as the 26.2 metal for this one race, only not necessarily going forward.

[Dan Patrick]

I can't do a participation medal. Once you get, like, the race really starts at 18 miles that everybody talks about, you hit the wall.

[Marvin]

Oh, it's brutal.

[Dan Patrick]

It's brutal.

[Marvin]

It's brutal. Between 18 and 26 miles. For some people, it's probably really easy, but for me, it felt like every single muscle on my body was being pulled off one by one. It was horrible. It was like, the worst thing. But you're like, damn it, I made it this far. You have to keep going. You have to finish. Just get the damn finisher's medal, you know?

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, Paul.

[Paulie]

And the other thing, 10 years from now, when you hold up your medal or it's at your house.

[Stugotz]

Yep.

[Paulie]

Ran the LA Marathon. If you have the medal, people assumed whatever marathon you finish. Isn't that right, Seaton?

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, of course. Yeah. They're not going to follow up and say, did you run all 26 miles? Yes, Todd.

[Stugotz]

That's why, if anything, you just get a sticker that says, like, I voted today. You get like, I ran part of the marathon. If you feel like you have to give people something at the 18. Mama.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Just like a bumper sticker.

[Marvin]

Yeah. Like you still. You get your bib or whatever. That little number that you have, like, there you go. That's your. All right, you were in it. That's your. You were in it medal. You know, look, I had a number. See, I did it. Oh, where's your metal? Oh, I didn't finish. That's the way it's supposed to go.

[Dan Patrick]

If you finish, then you get one of those medals.

[Marvin]

Yes, yes.

[Dan Patrick]

And then, then wrap me in aluminum foil or whatever happens when you get to the finish line. Did you get wrapped in that?

[Marvin]

Whatever that I did. As soon as you cross the finishing. The finishing line, they like sort of put you right. They give you that rap, and then somebody hands you a medal and then they go right there, here, stand right here. They take a quick picture of you. You're like, oh, my God. And then they just move you right along.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

And it's not pretty at the finish line because my, My wife ran the New York City Marathon twice. And I just remember she was running with somebody that I knew and that somebody that I knew got to the finish line, then threw up right in front of us and then proceeded to get on a plane and fly. Didn't even didn't shower. Went to the airport, got on a plane and had to fly a couple hours to get back home. That's where you're, you know, you're walking down the aisle and you're going, let me see. I'm in 14C. Ooh, wow. That person doesn't look like they've showered. In fact, they're wrapped in some kind of aluminum foil. Yes. Marvin.

[Stugotz]

Watching the sense of accomplishment that people feel when they finish. Because I've worked a couple of New York City marathons and it's like, I, I don't want to drive 26 miles. You ran 26 miles. It's so impressive just watching everyday people run four or five hours to make it to the finish line.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, we went to the 18 mile mark one year when my wife ran it, and we were at a bar and we came out and cheered her on for, you know, like nine seconds and then went back in and had a couple more beers and met her at the finish line. Yeah. Paul, wait.

[Paulie]

Dan, you said you watched from a bar at the 18 mile mark. You should get credit for watching an entire race because you made it to the 18 mile mark.

[Dan Patrick]

Todd in Indiana. Hi, Todd. What's on your mind?

[Caller]

Hey, thanks, guys. Thanks for bringing up this subject. I, I put on a lot of races. We time a lot of races. You'd be shocked at the people that email us the day after saying, I couldn't make it, but could you please send me my finisher medal because I paid for it. So you are 100% right. Running 18 miles is not running 26. And just a little off topic. But what you were just saying, one of my jobs for my kids when, when we started this was to get people's timing chips off their ankles when they finished. I got a call from my daughter from college one year, excuse me. And she said, thank you for making me do that. You know, I said, why?

[Dan Patrick]

Why?

[Caller]

I can see the look in someone's eye when they're gonna throw up from a mile away. And apparently she was at a bar and one of her friends was the unwelcome recipient of some nastiness. But anyway, thank you guys for bringing up that subject.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, thank you, Todd. Take a break. Reggie Miller next, be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app

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Next Monday, our 2026 iHeart Podcast Awards are happening Live at South by Southwest.

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This is the biggest night in podcasting.

[Marvin]

We'll honor the very best in podcasting from the past year and celebrate the most innovative talent and creators in the industry.

[Nancy Glass]

And the winner is.

[Marvin]

Creativity, knowledge and passion will all be on full display.

[Nancy Glass]

Thank you so much iheartradio.

[Lily Herman]

Thank you to all the other nominees.

[Nancy Glass]

You guys are awesome.

[Marvin]

Watch Live next Monday at 8pm Eastern, 5pm Pacific [e-mail] or the Veeps app.

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I hate fame. I hate the word celebrity.

[Dan Patrick]

I hate those words.

[Stugotz]

They make me uncomfortable. But I think when you get to a certain point, the fame or the success or the influence, it just accentuates and exacerbates the inherent person that you are. The guy that says he's always going to be there and that will do anything to be there is the only guy that's not there. I'm in Australia when Bo is born. My whole identity is that no matter what, I'm gonna prioritize my wife and my children over my job. I dread the conversation with my son.

[Jay Shetty]

What do you think you'd say listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts ready for a

[Lily Herman]

different take on Formula one? Look no further than no Grip, a new podcast tackling the culture of motor racing's most coveted series. Join me, Lily Herman, as we dive into the underexplored pockets of F1, including the astrology of the current grid.

[Nancy Glass]

Lewis Hamilton, Capricorn Sun, Cancer Moon. Wouldn't you know it, Michael Schumacher is also a Capricorn Sun, Cancer Moon.

[Lily Herman]

The story of the sport's most consequential driver. Strike. We have one man who, upon hearing that he was going to be fired, freaked out and apparently climbed out the window of the bathroom. And was Daniel Ricardo's illustrious F1 career a success story, a cautionary tale, or some combination of both?

[Nancy Glass]

He started getting all this attention and

[Lily Herman]

he maybe started to think, I'm bigger

[Nancy Glass]

than this, I'm better.

[Lily Herman]

And plenty of other mishaps, scandals and sagas that have made Formula One a delightful decadent dumpster fire for more than 75 years. Listen to no Grip on the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Nancy Glass]

In 2023, a story gripped the UK evoking horror and disbelief.

[Jay Shetty]

The nurse who should have been in charge of caring for tiny babies is now the most prolific child killer in modern British history.

[Nancy Glass]

Everyone thought they knew how it ended. A verdict. A villain, a nurse named Lucy Letby.

[Stugotz]

Lucy Letby has been found guilty.

[Nancy Glass]

But what if we didn't get the whole story?

[Marvin]

The moment you look at the whole

[Dan Patrick]

picture, the case collapses.

[Nancy Glass]

I'm Amanda Knox and in the new podcast the Case of Lucy Letby, we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived it to ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Letby was. No voicing of any skepticism or doubt.

[Jay Shetty]

It'll cause so much harm at every single level of the British establishment of this is wrong.

[Nancy Glass]

Listen to Doubt the Case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dan Patrick]

He was on the call for the Rockets and the spurs last night on NBC. And Peacock, Reggie Miller back with us. Also coast to coast on Tuesday. Stays in San Antonio. The Celtics and the Spurs, 8 Eastern, also on NBC. And Peacock. WEMBY. Wemby again. Wemby. Both ends of the floor, inside and out. He shoots over 80% from the free throw line. I'm trying to figure out what he doesn't do at the ripe old age of 22.

[Stugotz]

I think he's starting to figure it out and I think what I've been most impressed with, especially this year, he is embracing how teams are playing him because the knock, especially the first year, be physical with him, get up under them, kind of move him around. And I think because of last year his season was shortened because of the blood clots. We didn't get a, a huge sample size of games. But I think he went back to the lab this offseason. We saw all his travels with the monks and different places, trying to figure out the meaning of life and the game of basketball to him. And he's come back with a sense of purpose, of matching other teams. Physicality again, he's still not the biggest guys, but he's embracing how these teams are playing them. And if you just case in point, the last three games he went against the Detroit Pistons, a very physical team, the LA Clippers, who have a number of players who like to play physical. And even last night with the Houston Rockets, they have a starting lineup of 6, 6, 6, 7, 6, 9 and 7ft with Kevin Durant and they tried to get up under him, they tried to be physical with him. He embraces that now and almost uses it against them. And you're right. And I was trying to think, and I was trying to put myself in the shoes of fans of players that it is an experience when you watch them play. Dan and I, I'm thinking like MJ was like that because you didn't know what you were going to see with MJ on the court. I put Stephen Curry in that because of his ability to shoot the basketball. To me, Wimby is a must see experience because you, you truly do not know what you are going to see and what you do see and witness. It's like I don't think I've seen a human being do that.

[Dan Patrick]

But what I'm also seeing is somebody who cares. If you saw him in the All Star game, you saw him in the Olympics, even the comeback game against the Clippers where he got emotional, he truly cares about the outcome of the game. And I find that really rare. And certainly at the age of, you know, I brought up 22, isn't it refreshing?

[Stugotz]

All right. I mean, yeah, we get so jaded nowadays because of some of these big contracts and load management guys not wanting to play. Here's a guy who again, he'll listen to the trainers and the doctors for the spurs, but he wants to be out there every minute and he wants to be out there competing. And I just wonder if our American born players and some of the, the elite players are getting tired of the talk that Victor Wembanyama saved the All Star game, which he did. He set the tone in that first game, how hard he came out and played. And I wonder if our American born players are looking at this saying, you know what, that, that should be us, that's how we should be playing. And you have this Frenchman setting the tone. And I'm not the only one saying that he saved the All Star game. But a lot of people are saying that because of how, how he approached it. And it's just refreshing to see that he competes so hard in just his third season and he sets, he's just sets a precedence.

[Dan Patrick]

I'll give you. Anybody in the league for the next five years. Who you taking?

[Stugotz]

Oh, I would take him because of what he does at both ends of the floor.

[Dan Patrick]

Anybody close?

[Stugotz]

Kate Cunningham would be in there. I think Cooper Flagg will have his moments again. Cooper's only what, 19, 20. But for the next five years, right now he's the face and he's a very humble kid. But yet how he approaches the game. He's very thoughtful. He's very methodical in terms of prep for a game, prep for his body. The only thing that will be a knock going forward will be the injury part. And right now he's with the perfect organization because they basically evaded load management back to the great Popovich and Tim Duncan, Monty Ginobi, Tony Parker days. So he's with the perfect organization in terms of saving his body going forward. And you know what? Protecting him for himself because he, again, he wants to be out there every minute competing at a high level.

[Dan Patrick]

Speaking of being out there, Jason Tatum comes back. It's not like they eased him into the lineup. He was in the lineup and I, I love watching this team. And now Tatum back. I think they're the team to beat in the East.

[Stugotz]

I agree. I agree with, and especially with the recent slide of the Detroit Pistons. I think they've lost their last three. I still think Detroit will win the east, but I think Boston is in the perfect situation because now you have a long Runway for Jayson Tatum to get into basketball shape. Almost a month until the season is over, and then the first, first and second rounds. That's another two to three weeks. So it almost has two months, two full months to get in basketball shape. This past game on Saturday in Cleveland, he played 27 minutes. This is a guy that's been off for 10 months with an Achilles injury, Achilles tear, and he comes back and he played 27 minutes on the road. I thought they were going to play him in even smaller increments, but it just lets me know that he was. He's been back for a while because for him to come back and play at this level and play those minutes, impactful minutes, it means he's been practicing and lifting and whatever else he's been doing, it's been absolutely remarkable. And it's going to be a fun game tomorrow because two great defensive teams, Boston, the Spurs. And it'll be interesting because he will be tested. Him, Brown, Pritchard, they will all be tested on the wings because the spurs play a very physical style as well defensively. This should be a very fun and entertaining game.

[Dan Patrick]

Michael Jordan says he doesn't get involved in the goat debate. The latest interview that Mike Tirico did with him, you talked about it on the broadcast. Why would Mike get involved in the goat debate?

[Stugotz]

Because we're his minions. That's our jobs, to serve the king, right?

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but he doesn't have to say anything.

[Stugotz]

He doesn't have to say a Word.

[Dan Patrick]

He just goes, scoreboard, right? That's.

[Stugotz]

That's our job. Our job to look at the scoreboard and go like this. All he needs to do is hold up this and. And that's it. This six finals MVPs. Look, it's. I haven't. I didn't play against everyone that's ever played. I never played, like he said, against Oscar, Jerry west and all that. But I do know what it does feel like to go against him, Kobe, LeBron for one season. And I love all those guys. It's hard to. He will never win if he interjects himself, puts himself in that place again. That's our place. That's our job. Yours and eyes. Because from you, your eye test, you've been around a long time. You've seen a lot of basketball. I played against a lot of great players. The Magics, the Larry's, the Michaels. I played against them all, so I kind of get it. But again, that's not our job to do that. That's not his job to do that.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. You know, it's weird when I get asked this question because, look, you can build up a resume for LeBron and you go, what he did to do it for over 20 years. And, you know, consistency. But you see Kobe and it's. And it's weird how I think Kobe got kind of, oh, I think we lost you, Reg. Oh, yeah.

[Paulie]

Start bringing up Jordan.

[Dan Patrick]

Here we go. Yeah. Todd will see if he can get Reg back on there. I'm just glad that Mike Tirico, you know, Mike hadn't been that busy the last, you know, six weeks. I'm glad that he got to do something where, oh, Reg is back.

[Stugotz]

Apologize, guys.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Got to sit down with Jordan again for another interview. But, you know, Kobe's the one that, like, if I'm you and you say, okay, you gotta face LeBron, Mike, Kobe, like Kobe is Mike. I mean, it's. LeBron's a different. Different animal out there. But, like, style wise, Kobe is. Is Mike because he. He patterned himself after.

[Stugotz]

I think. I think we get caught up when we talk about the goat situation and the go debate. To me, the best player of the three is mj. Kobe is a clone in a better version. Like, he's Mike on steroids. Better jump shooter. To me, the fundamentals were better because he perfected them to be like, the master mj. If you're talking about careers, the best career out of all three of those, in my opinion, is LeBron because of the longevity and what he has done. Eight straight Finals.

[Dan Patrick]

But you, You. You put emphasis on career, and rightfully so. Career versus as a player.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, there's a difference. So, I mean, LeBron has had the best career out of anyone. For him to continue to play like this at this level, this late in his career. But if we're going stack for stack player to me, MJ, Kobe, and then LeBron.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, in that order.

[Stugotz]

To me, in that order. Just because, look, I only had one year versus LeBron. My last year, his rookie year, I got tattooed by mj. I got tattooed by Kobe at a high level, you know, facing Kobe in the finals. So there's a body of work between Kobe and I that I can, you know, I have a sample size against.

[Dan Patrick]

It's. It's interesting when I watch defenders on guys who were supposed to score and how you don't let it affect you, but I don't know how you don't. Like, if you're guarding Kobe on the wing and everybody's watching.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

And all of a sudden he blows by you and, you know, dunks like. How do you not take that personally?

[Stugotz]

Well, you never wanted to show emotions when you were playing those two guys. And I tried as much as possible not to, because I tried to put pressure on them at the other end as well, because I'm blown by them as well. You know, I. I tried to put as much pressure and make them work as hard as they possibly were, making me work to try to tire them out. Both of those players, Kobe, Mike, they were superior athletes in fantastic shape, which is very difficult to do. So, you know, you. I heard you earlier talking about the LA Marathon and, you know, running the 26 miles and all that. I tried to make it a marathon versus those guys and make it a track meet and constantly keep them in motion to try and tire them down. Some games it worked. Other games it didn't. But that's what I tried to do versus those two players.

[Dan Patrick]

Talking to Reggie Miller. He was on the call for Rocket spurs last night. He'll be staying in San Antonio. Celtic spurs. That's tomorrow night, 8 Eastern on MDC. And Peacock, what do you make of this LA Marathon? If you run 18 miles, you get the same medal as those who completed the New York or the.

[Stugotz]

What's the deal with the participation trophies? Come on now.

[Dan Patrick]

Now, they talked about the heat. They talked about the heat and. But I can't give you the same metal. The same exact metal.

[Stugotz]

Is it the exact same metal?

[Dan Patrick]

Yes.

[Stugotz]

Come on. That can't happen. Then. Really? The marathon was 18 miles and not 26. Correct.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, can't do that.

[Stugotz]

We're giving out participation medals for just going 18 miles. No.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but you got. You got kids. They probably get participation trophies.

[Stugotz]

And it drives me absolutely mad, Theodore. I mean, it does, because what are we teaching these kids? That's not how life works. Right. In the business world, it does not work. You do not get a participation trophy for coming in second or third. Work hard. Go back to the lab, get in the gym, go outside and start shooting. Hey, get on the field and start working on your fielding. Learn how to catch the football.

[Dan Patrick]

Did you get anything for finishing runner up in the NBA Finals?

[Stugotz]

Yeah, you know what I got? I found it back. That's it? Yeah. That's all we got.

[Dan Patrick]

Kobe. Kobe gave you a pat on the back and said, yeah, I'm a champ.

[Stugotz]

Why are you torturing me right now? Oh, no, no.

[Dan Patrick]

I. I didn't. I didn't know who gave you the pat on the back. Did you give yourself a pat on. Chad gave me a pat on your paddle.

[Stugotz]

Hey, you guys play hard.

[Dan Patrick]

Rich, Smith, Rick.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, they couldn't. They couldn't guard a big diesel. That was the problem. I was like, okay, you're right, big fella. You right, big fella.

[Dan Patrick]

If you had to pick that, you're going to get bounced in the second round of the postseason or you're going to lose in the NBA Finals.

[Stugotz]

I'll always take the Finals because anything can happen once you get there. But it hurt. Trust me. It stings much more. It stings much more because you say to yourself, we can I win four games when you get to the Finals? That's what you say, I've got to win four games. And then when we went down two, oh, going back home and we won game three. We're like. We are. You're saying three wins. You would do anything to win three games.

[Dan Patrick]

And.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, so that's how desperate you get, and that's the thinking you have to have. And I know people want to be politically correct, but you are counting down to 16 wins once you get to the NBA playoffs. And once you get to the Finals, you just say, how can I win four games before that other team?

[Dan Patrick]

Would you give up part of your pinky finger on your left hand friendship? Yeah.

[Stugotz]

People understand. Oh, man. Yeah. Can I on my left hand?

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

Oh, I still can shoot it. Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

I can hold the ball. Yeah. Give me the ball.

[Dan Patrick]

Give me the ball. Nine and a half fingers, Miller.

[Stugotz]

Yeah. Just. Just give me the ball. People yes, yes, I would. It wouldn't stink to me. The reason why I feel this way, people, and I want to explain this to them. If I had never been so close for so many years, so many conference finals versus the Knicks, Philly, when you're that close, when it's eight down to four and then losing to the Lakers in the finals, needing four wins, when you're that close and you can taste it and see the finish line, but you can't get to the finish line. That's why I feel this way distinct. If I had been like first, second round and always, you know, going out, I, I had, was never close to the finish line, so who cares? But when you're close and you can see the finish, I felt like that Kenyan runner that was in first place and the American runner was running. That's how you feel when you get to the finals. Can I get to that finish line first?

[Dan Patrick]

Marvin last week said if he was the Buffalo Bills, he'd rather not get to the super bowl and lose. He'd rather lose earlier in the playoffs.

[Stugotz]

I, I want to be on the biggest stage, Marvin, because you want it, you want the world scene. You want to compete at the highest level against the best players. And if that's the World Series, the Super bowl, the NBA Finals, the, the Stanley cup, the Olympics for some of these runners and track athletes, you want to compete against the best. And that, that year we went to the finals with Larry Legend as our coach. We, we felt we were the best team in the East. We knew the Lakers were the best team in the West. We wanted that smoke and we knew it was going to be an uphill battle, but they hadn't won in a long time. So both of us were coming in. We knew they had the pedigree, they were the Lakers, but the Lakers hadn't won yet. That was their first championship and we had never won. So we felt we were on equal footing. So that's why we felt we had, we had a shot.

[Dan Patrick]

And I like that Kobe stole your move, your step back jump shot.

[Stugotz]

We had filmed the real, A real, Real World episode. He and I, we took on the real world cast in a game of two on eight. And before we started filming, before they, the other crew showed up, we played one on one, Kobe and I and hey, show me this, show me this move, you know, he was like picking my brain. I love how you do this. You know, I saw you do this against MJ and I was like, being a big brother, sure. Hey, yeah, yeah. This is what I did. You do the. Step back. Be sure you create space. And when he. When he closes one more dribble and then you're. He's like, okay, I got it. That fool was writing it down and using those moves against me in the finals. I'm like, ain't this something? Ain't this something? Smart, dude. Smart. Kobe. Rest. God rest. I know you were looking down on this interview right now, smiling, saying, yeah, Reg, I got you.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, Reg. Have fun tomorrow night.

[Stugotz]

Much love to my dad. Marvin, next year, you and I, let's sign up for the LA Marathon, baby. And let's go 18 miles so we can get our participation medal. I mean, let's go.

[Dan Patrick]

Reggie Miller. He'll be on the call. Coast to coast Tuesday, San Antonio Celtics and The spurs at 8 Eastern. You ready for a marathon, Marvin?

[Stugotz]

As a matter of fact, I'm not, but I got a year.

[Dan Patrick]

Hey, when I watched Seaton when he was running and I saw him at the very end, I'm like, wow, no, thank you.

[Marvin]

That was a doozy.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, no, thank you. All right, last call for phone calls. What we learn what's in store tomorrow, right after this. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation.

[Stugotz]

Catch all of our [e-mail] and within the iHeartRadio app.

[Dan Patrick]

Search FSR to listen live.

[Marvin]

Next Monday, our 2026 iHeart Podcast Awards are happening live in south by Southwest.

[Paulie]

This is the biggest night in podcasting.

[Marvin]

We'll honor the very best in podcasting from the past year and celebrate the most innovative talent and creators in the industry.

[Nancy Glass]

And the winner is.

[Marvin]

Creativity, knowledge and passion will all be on full display.

[Nancy Glass]

Thank you so much, iheartradio.

[Lily Herman]

Thank you to all the other nominees.

[Nancy Glass]

You guys are awesome.

[Marvin]

Watch live next Monday at 8pm Eastern, 5pm Pacific [e-mail] or the Veeps app.

[Lily Herman]

Ready for a different take on Formula one? Look no further than no Grip, a new podcast tackling the culture of motor racing's most coveted series. Join me, Lily Herman, as we dive into the underexplored pockets of F1, including the astrology of the current grid.

[Nancy Glass]

Lewis Hamilton, Capricorn Sun Cancer Moon. Wouldn't you know it? Michael Schumacher is also a Capricorn Sun Cancer Moon.

[Lily Herman]

The story of the sport's most consequential driver. Strike. We have one man who, upon hearing that he was going to be fired, freaked out and apparently climbed out the window of the bathroom and was Daniel Ricardo's illustrious F1 career a success. Story, a cautionary tale, or some combination of both.

[Nancy Glass]

He started getting all of his attention

[Lily Herman]

and he maybe started to think, I'm

[Nancy Glass]

bigger than this, I'm better.

[Lily Herman]

And plenty of other mishaps, scandals and sagas that have made Formula One a delightful decadent dumpster fire for more than 75 years. Listen to no Grip on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jay Shetty]

Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, host of the On Purpose podcast. My latest episode is with Hilary Duff, singer, actress and multi platinum artist. Hillary opens up about complicated family dynamics, motherhood, and releasing our first record in over 10 years. We talk about what it's taken to grow up in the entertainment industry and stay grounded through every chapter. It's a raw and honest conversation about identity, evolution, and building a life that

[Nancy Glass]

truly matters you desire in family. Like this picture. And that's not reality. A lot of the times for people. My sister and I don't speak. It's definitely a very painful part of my life and I hope it's not forever, but it's for right now.

[Jay Shetty]

Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Nancy Glass]

In 2023, a story gripped the UK evoking horror and disbelief.

[Jay Shetty]

The nurse who should have been in charge of caring for tiny babies is now the most prolific child killer in modern British history.

[Nancy Glass]

Everyone thought they knew how it ended. A verdict. A villain, a nurse named Lucy Letby.

[Stugotz]

Lucy Letby has been found guilty.

[Nancy Glass]

But what if we didn't get the whole story?

[Caller]

The moment you look at the whole

[Dan Patrick]

picture, the case collapses.

[Nancy Glass]

I'm Amanda Knox and in the new podcast the Case of Lucy Letby, we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived it to ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Letby was. No voicing of any skepticism or doubt.

[Jay Shetty]

It'll cause so much harm at every single level of the British establishment of this is wrong.

[Nancy Glass]

Listen to Doubt the Case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dan Patrick]

Dylan just sent me this from the back room. If you're the current Buffalo Bills, you can go to four Super Bowls in a row and lose or miss making the playoffs four consecutive years. Marvin, I'm gonna ask you. You go to four Super Bowls or you miss the playoffs four years in a row.

[Stugotz]

Oh, and this is the current team as constructed?

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, yes.

[Stugotz]

Right now I'm going against everything I believe in the four straight Super Bowls.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, yes.

[Stugotz]

But D.P. you said just get there. The Chargers can just get there. The Patriots last year. You can just get there and you'll be fine. The Bills aren't in that position. The Lions aren't in that position. It's not just get there and it's a. Oh, you know what? Successful season. No, it's not.

[Dan Patrick]

If the Lions get to the super bowl, that's a successful season.

[Caller]

For who?

[Dan Patrick]

For them.

[Stugotz]

For the Texans, you mean. I think you. You mispronounced Texans.

[Dan Patrick]

I said that. Detroit Tiger, Detroit Lions, even the Tigers.

[Paulie]

Yes, Paulie, you're both right on this one. But if I'm a Bills fan, I want progress. Now, it's gonna be really painful losing, but, man, you've been spinning the wheels for a while now.

[Dan Patrick]

I gotta make the playoffs.

[Jay Shetty]

Progress.

[Dan Patrick]

I gotta make the post. I gotta make the Super Bowl. Yes. It's going to hurt, but not making the playoffs at all. Yes.

[Marvin]

Seems weird, though, to be like, we haven't made the playoffs in four years.

[Dan Patrick]

Exactly.

[Marvin]

It's going exactly how we want it to.

[Dan Patrick]

By design. Exactly.

[Stugotz]

Perfect.

[Dan Patrick]

How many bids on the line? How many. How many tickets can be punched tonight, Paul?

[Paulie]

I love that. For the big dance, Dan.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, the big dance.

[Paulie]

I got the fun belt. The Sun Belt final tonight. Georgia Southern versus Troy. Troy's given six and a half, as you know. And let's see. The SoCon championship. Furman, the Paladins.

[Dan Patrick]

Let's go.

[Paulie]

Yeah, let's go. FU against East Tennessee State. ETSU, favored by a point and a half. The slap in the face to furman,

[Dan Patrick]

was that Mr. Jennings. Yeah. East Tennessee State.

[Paulie]

That's right.

[Dan Patrick]

Back in the day, Mr. Jennings. Yeah, it's still. When I. I saw. So the drummer for Hooting, the Blowfish. His wife, one of their children, went to Furman and he showed up at a concert and he just had this purple sweatshirt on, and it said fu. And I'm like. I said to his mom, I said, you let him walk around. She goes, it's Furman University. Where? He went. I go, oh, okay. He's like, fu. All right. Terry in Seattle. Hi, Terry. What's on your mind?

[Caller]

Hey, Dan, longtime listener. I've been watching you since you were swinging chairs for the mothership. Hey, I got a best for the weekend. That playoff between Berger and Batia at the Arnold Palmer International where they're playing that last hole for 4 million bucks, that was. That was some good TV for anyone who's picked up a golf club.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, Yeah. I love Batia. Left handed swing and he's. He's a talented player. Thank you for the phone call this day in sports history. Paul.

[Paulie]

I just got one for you, Dan. I think you'll like this. The most blocks in a game in NBA history was this day in 1984. Your supersonics at the Sixers. The Sixers had 20 blocks in the game. Some of the luminaries that block shots, Clement Johnson with five, Dan Clem. Yeah, I don't remember him that well. Julius Irving with five. They call him the doctor. Sam Williams was six and Bobby Jones

[Dan Patrick]

with two blocks in the game. Okay, he was a defensive stopper, Marvin. Yes, he is. Let's go around the room, see if we learned anything on this award nominated program. Toddler, I'll start with you.

[Stugotz]

You think the Dolphins shouldn't spend any big money on a quarterback? Go with Queen. Yours? Maybe look for a good backup.

[Dan Patrick]

Seaton, what'd you learn today?

[Marvin]

Marvin's running a marathon with Reggie Miller next year.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, Marvin, what did you learn?

[Stugotz]

Seaton's run to marathons, Paul.

[Paulie]

Marathons are getting shorter.

[Stugotz]

If he was part of the Dolphins front office, Mike Tanavan would look for a bridge quarterback this season.

[Dan Patrick]

Thanks for the phone calls, emails, tweets, the all around support for Fritzi Seaton, Marv Poly, yours truly. Talk to you tomorrow.

[Marvin]

Next Monday, our 2026 iHeart Podcast Awards are happening live at south by Southwest.

[Stugotz]

This is the biggest night in podcasting.

[Marvin]

Will honor the very best in podcasting from the past year and celebrate the most innovative talent and creators in the industry.

[Nancy Glass]

And the winner is.

[Marvin]

Creativity, knowledge and passion will all be on full display.

[Nancy Glass]

Thank you so much, iheartradio.

[Lily Herman]

Thank you to all the other nominees.

[Nancy Glass]

You guys are awesome.

[Marvin]

Watch live next Monday at 8pm Eastern, 5pm Pacific [e-mail] or the Veeps app.

[Nancy Glass]

I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt season two podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two films families. Late one night, Bobby Gumprite became the victim of a random crime. The perpetrator was sentenced to 99 years until a confession changed everything.

[Stugotz]

I was a monster.

[Nancy Glass]

Listen to Burden of guilt Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts ready for

[Lily Herman]

a different take on formula one. Look no further than no Grip, a new podcast tackling the culture of motor racing's most coveted series. Join me, Lily Herman, as we div into the underexplored pockets of F1, including the astrology of the current grid, the story of the sport's most consequential driver strike, and plenty of other mishaps, scandals and sagas that have made Formula One a delightful, decadent dumpster fire for more than 75 years. Listen to no Grip on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jay Shetty]

Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, host of the On Purpose podcast. My latest episode is with Hilary Duff, singer, actress and multi platinum artist.

[Nancy Glass]

You desire in family like this picture and that's not reality. My sister and I don't speak. It's definitely a very painful part of my life, and I hope it's not forever, but it's for right now, listen

[Jay Shetty]

to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Nancy Glass]

This is an iHeart podcast.

[Dan Patrick]

Guaranteed Human.