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Oh, better get Mako. All right, we make way for Matty Ice and I ran into him last night and he said, I'm going to be telling all kinds of stories when I join you on the program. Is, Is Matt ready to go? Paul? Yes. We need to escort Matt Ryan up here. How about a round of applause for the man they call Matty Eyes, tall and lean. What's up? Yes. Yeah. How are we doing, guys? Looks like he's dropped like 15, 20 pounds. You're, you're just a. We see this with offensive and defensive linemen. Do I need headset? No, no, you're good. Yeah. Yeah. Just not as muscular. A little softer around the edges, but a little lighter. But did you try to purposely bulk up when I played? Yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure. For me, it was always difficult to keep the weight on just by kind of, you know, my frame or whatever it was. It was work to try and get to 222. 17 is what I played at. And I probably, I weigh about two or five now, so. But you just see quarterbacks like ragdolls, but then you see those quarterbacks in person. And like Trevor Lawrence is a big guy. No doubt you've seen him last night. I mean, Trevor is, I mean, he is put Together and just broad shouldered, big and, you know, we were talking about Cam Newton last night too. Same thing. Played against him in division. I remember meeting him for the first time, being like, we play the same position. What are you talking about, man? He looks like the DMS that I go against, so. Yes, yeah, it's, it's. There's some, some big guys, but, you know, I was able to do it pretty well at my size and, and made it work for me. But is there, you know, you see Peyton and, and Brady and they would kind of go in the fetal position if they were going to be sacked. Yeah, that's okay, isn't it? Listen, your, your best ability is availability, right? When you can play, right? So Tom and, and Peyton, they, they kind of had that down to a science. I, you know, I was kind of in that, that era of quarterbacks just right after them, right. So I had watched them play in the NFL for seven, eight years, nine years before I got there. And then, you know, played, I guess Tom played longer than me. He still was playing after I was done. But do you think he could still play? I think he could. I mean, I think the way he takes care of himself, it looks like, like he looks, he looks more fit now than he's ever, ever been. And so, you know, and I think the style with which he played leads to being able to play longer. Right. Not moving around, not having to run, do all those type of different things. Because he could still throw it. I mean, he could still spin it at the end. Matt sacked 500 times. Paulie, 488 times he was sacked in his career. But you, I feel pretty good. You was still. Look at you. Yeah, I still feel pretty good. I can still swing the golf club, which is good. Is there one that stands out? One sack that stands out? I mean, they all kind of run together when you get about 500 of them. But I'd say the sack fumble in the super bowl is probably the one that. Oh, I wasn't going there. Listen, I think sometimes, I think sometimes you got to get in front of it, right? Guy? You just got to go front of him. No, I. So if you're asking me about one of them, Dan, I would probably say that's the one I would like to have not been sacked on. But anyhow, what else do you guys want to talk about? Football playoff. What was, what was that play called? So you're in the huddle and you call that play. What is it? That's a good question. I don't Remember the exact play call offhand, I, I, I'm always amazed some of these guys that, that can rip back from, you know, just off the clock. Well, your guys memories have to be, it's really good. I remember the situation. I remember what the route we had going on. We had Aldrich Robinson running the corner that was coming out like the top of this and he was going to be open like he was, he was going to be open and trying to hang on for that extra second, give him a chance to make a play. But would that have been a touchdown? It would have been a chunk. I think there was a chance but it would have been a chunk play for sure. But you don't remember the call. But I can't remember. It was, it was a designer, what we call designer calls. So it was like a specific play for that week for that situation. So it wasn't like you know, gun trips. Right. Three Jet Jaws X Drift, which was one of our, our staple plays. It was a designer play for that week. Give us, give us a call though. That would might surprise us the depth of it that you're trying to absorb if you're you know, a wide receiver running back. Yeah, I mean there's, I'm trying to think of staple plays but like where it gets wordies in the run game than canning or killing or checking or whatever you want to a pass play. So you know, we'd have like west right zoomsy right 19 Wanda force can, you know, can gun three scat, you know, X hole spacing. That's one play. That's one play. And so you know, I mean it's, I heard you read the, the little script coming on here that was more impressive to me than calling a play right now that I've done TV and I've seen the prompter and having to come in and done some of those things. I find that far more difficult than then regurgitating a play. Call Matt Ryan joining us on the program. Yeah, you start to think about making the transition. When did you think about going from playing to then broadcasting? You know, I had, listen, I've always had fun coming on shows with you or with different guys. And I had the opportunity a couple times while I was playing to go in and do some studio work. One with cbs, one with espn and I enjoyed it, but I really didn't think about it until I was done, you know. And my last year in Indy was a difficult year for the organization, for myself, for everybody that was in it. And so after that I got back to Atlanta after that season and was kind of talking with my wife about what we wanted to do moving forward. My wife was pregnant with my youngest son at the time, and it seemed like, you know what, probably a good time to be rooted and home. And that's where we started to explore some options. I was really lucky, got hired by cbs, called games for the first year, which was an absolute blast, a ton of fun doing that, and then moved into the studio the next year. So it kind of happened faster than I thought. It wasn't something like I was planning as a player. This is it. This is where I'm going when I'm done. I was, you know, wondering about this, though. When you get towards the end, when do you know you're at the end of your career? There were a handful of times in India. I knew it was. This is probably it. Okay. But was it because of you? Listen, I still think I had gas left in the tank. Right. To. To be able to play that year was a strange year. Like Frank Wright being fired and Jeff Saturday coming in and I got bench and then came back and played a little bit and just kind of the whole. The whole deal and then being away. My wife was pregnant with my youngest son, so they were back in Atlanta. She was there kind of visiting with doctors there and they were back and forth. That whole kind of thing. It wasn't like a wake up. It was just kind of a slow drip to, you know. And I think my life's moving in a different direction. Did you ever think about trying to join the Eagles? I. No, never. Seriously. Never. But that's your team growing. I grew up, but like, I played against them enough that they soon did not become my team. Right. So we played for the Steelers. Could I have played for the Steelers? Yeah. Like, I think your allegiances, your childhood allegiances. Yeah. Go out the wayside the minute you get drafted or you get, you know, you put into a building. And so particularly I think when you play for an organization as long as I did in Atlanta, you know, my. We got a little chipmunk running around there. You got some wildlife on. Yeah, we do. Good. We had dogs go first. We had bomb sniffing dogs up here earlier. Yeah, we got it all going. I love it. I love it. Yeah, we're talking about Ryan. I was wondering about Kirk Cousins in the situation that he's in. Yep. Now, he said he was kind of blindsided with the whole Michael Pennix draft pick. What do you do in a situation now? You can't feel sorry for him from the standpoint of $100 million guaranteed. Sure. But he does want to play. Yeah. I don't know if he know what. No other team was interested because of the hundred million dollar guarantee. Yeah, I mean that's, that is. Listen, I get both sides of it, right. I get, I get the frustration from Kirk's end. Right. You would, you would hope for transparency coming into a situation of what the plan is moving forward. Hey, why are you bringing me in? Is there, you know, what kind of Runway are we looking at here? With, with myself, I think from the Falcons perspective that was such a deep draft at quarterback, you know, and, and I think that as I've been removed as a player, my player side of me goes right to Kirk. Of. Of course I'd be pissed too. Yeah, right. You know, you're in that situation. I think that's a natural competitor's reaction. Like what are we doing? We've got other spots we could go. You've heard other quarterbacks say that in buildings where they've been established and they're drafting young quarterbacks, saying, what are we doing? We can add value at different spots. So I think Kirk coming in feeling like he had a four or five year Runway to play there and then them going in a different direction was probably difficult. Is difficult for him. But I get the organization standpoint because I do think, you know, when you look at last year's draft, the depth of that quarterback position and then projecting forward, right. What the next two or three drafts are going to look like and hoping that you're not in a position to draft early, it's the position you've got to take care of. And if, if you're defending the Falcons, which, you know, I'm biased because I'm played there so long and root for them and all those kind of things, you have to get that position right. Right. And, and you have to get it right. And when you've got the opportunity to acquire somebody who I think is really talented, I think Michael Pannix has a lot of talent and, and I think he played really well. At the end of the year, you got to do it. But how did the Niners miss on Trey Lance? How does that happen? Well, they're not the only ones I know missed on quarterback. That's when you trade up and you whiff on a guy. Yeah, it's. And I just thought he didn't have enough starts. I needed a larger sample size. Well, you know, you go specifically to Michael Penix. I think one of the things you look at when you draft a guy like that is, yes, there were injury concerns and knee and those kind of things, but there was, there was a large body of work. Indiana and Washington. Yeah, right. And. And I remember the old Bill Parcell's, you know, the, the checklist for drafting quarterbacks was three year starters and all this and, you know, whatever the checklist was. But it was. He wanted a sample size, and I think that's gotten increasingly more difficult. You guys are talking about the College Football Playoff coming in, but the portal, people moving around, people getting out of there more and more. I think it's hard to get a big sample size of quarterbacks at this point. When you look at your resume, do you see hall of Famer? I've been asked this, and I don't think there's any great way to. To kind of donate. I'm proud of what I did, you know, and it's not for. For me to decide. I'm. But if you were going to convince me. If I were going to convince you. Let's say I'm a voter. The numbers are pretty good. Well, you got the mvp. Sure. And you played in the Super Bowl. Yep. If you win this, it all goes back to that side. It all goes back to that sack. All right. That one sack. You wanted to talk. Didn't you have one of the great completions that people forget about towards the end of that game? I. One half of that. The other half was pretty good, too. Julio Jones was pretty good on the other end of that. It's. There's so many, like, plays that got forgotten in Super Bowls. Yeah. Because you didn't win Seattle, who was the guy of the. Yes. Forgotten. Yeah. One of the great catchers in super bowl history. And we're like, oh, yeah, that's right. And Julio made that grab and I go, he just won the Super Bowl. It's kind of what I was thinking myself at the time, but it didn't quite shake out that way. But I think you're a Hall of Famer, but, you know, it's tricky. Like somebody says, is Russell Wilson a Hall of Famer? Is Philip Rivers a Hall of Famer? Like, I would never want to vote on this because this is. You're changing lives. Sure, sure. So you got, whatever, 45 guys who are in there arguing back and forth and then, you know, you start to promote and then you denigrate somebody and like, is Russell Wilson playing himself out of the hall of Fame with the way he's played since Denver and, you know, now with Pittsburgh and then New York. Yeah. I mean, I think you talk about his body of work and the consistency for the better part of a decade and what they did in Seattle. I mean, yeah, I think there's a lot of guys that. That probably didn't play. You think of Joe Namath or Johnny Unitis in different uniforms at the end. They're hall of Famers. Right. And they certainly didn't play themselves out of it. But, you know, I think when you talk about Russ, there was so much that he did and it was so consistent for so long. I. To me, whether it's the hall of Fame discussion or whether it's players or whatever, the thing I've always been most impressed with is guys that do it for a long time at the same level over and over and over, and you can, you can kind of check mark what they're going to do when they go out there and perform. I think that's one of the things that, regardless of sport, that I've always admired. Well, you look at Eli. Eli's numbers are average. Clutch. Clutch. Yes. Yes. He beat Tom Brady twice. Yes. That's why he's a Hall of Famer. I put everybody in, man. I'll put everybody in there. Joe Flacco going in. Well, I love Joe. I love Joe, but. And Joe is a good friend of mine, but a Philip Rivers hall of Famer. I believe so. Yeah. I mean, you talk about is a really interesting time. The league was changing, right? You go from the mid 2000s to. To really 20, 20, and the league changed into that past first type of offense. And you have about eight or 10 guys that put up numbers that are in the top 10 of the history of the league during that short period of time. I don't know if we'll see that. I don't know if careers will go as long as. As they did as. As the style of quarterback play evolves, right. And the exposure to hits and running and. And those kind of things. And you've seen passing yards come down in the last three or four or five years, right? It's not, you know, we went to the 17th game and you're thinking everybody's going to be throwing for over 5,000 yards. You just don't see it. And so I think the league has evolved into, you know, how they're running the football, and I think it's bringing those passing numbers down. So I think the numbers. It was an interesting time, and I think there were a lot of good, really good passers in the league at that time. Okay. Can I make this statement? Make any statement. Okay. But I want to know if you agree that Mahomes isn't the best quarterback in the NFL, but he's the quarterback you would want in the biggest game. It's a, there's a lot to that statement. The second part. Yes. Right. His track record, I believe has proven that although the super bowl, they, they didn't have their best performance this, this past year, but for me, you know, personally, that doesn't change my opinion of, of Patrick Mahomes. Right. If, if you roll out the ball in the biggest of the big games. Yeah. I think he's the guy that you're going to take. You know, I think. How are you pigeon holing that first part of the statement? Okay. Who's the best quarterback in regular season? Quarterback. Who is the best quarterback in the NFL? It's a great question. I think you probably still have to go with Patrick Mahomes. I mean, you look, you look at what they did last year. See, I would say Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow's excellent. I mean, Joe Burrows, he did everything to get them into the playoffs and could have been an MVP candidate. He played that well. I certainly agree with you. I think Joe or Lamar Jackson, and I'm of the opinion, I think the league's in a great spot right now with quarterback play. Like, I really do. I think it's, it's really good. But if you're asking me one regular season game, I'll take Patrick, I'll take Patrick Mahomes. All right, fair enough. It's just, just an opinion. Yeah. What's your jacket size for the hall of fame? 42. Too long. Okay, so I thought. Good with that. That's what I told him. That's what you. Great to see again. Good to see you there. He's Matt Ryan. Thank you, guys. He promised he was telling stories. Today Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Hey, what's up everybody? It's me, three time Pro Bowler Levar Arrington. 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So listen to There are no girls on the Internet on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My thanks to Matt Ryan, the former mvp, former rookie of the year as well. He joined us courtesy of BETMGM and Marriott making fantasy football dreams a reality. Anybody who links their BETMGM rewards and Marriott bonvoy accounts between July 9th and the 30th can enter the sweepstakes and win your whole league of VIP stay at the Cosmopolitan dinner at the Mayfair Supper Club at Bellagio and an unforgettable draft night party inside BET MGM hosted by none other than Matt Ryan. I like how he got out ahead of it and he brought up the sack and the fumble in the super bowl, but that's not what I was getting at. I was talking about you got sacked nearly 500 times. What's that one you remember of, you know, the physical nature of it. And then he brought up the super bowl. But the fact that I asked him what was the play call. Quarterbacks can remember everything. Everything almost feels like he's blocked that, that out, that moment out. Really, it. That's what the first thing that struck me is. I don't know what it was. I don't even care what it was. But then he knew that he. That could have been a touchdown pass to his tight end. Yes. And I don't, I don't blame him at all if he did sort of block that out. You know, you're. You're a kid and you dream Your whole life of getting to that moment, and then that's what happens. You know, all of your dreams are coming. You made it to the NFL. I mean, just, that's crazy enough. But then now you're in the super bowl and you're rolling, you're cooking, you're absolutely destroying the Patriots. You know, I mean, that must just be crushing. Yes, exactly. You threw for 63,000 yards, 380 win touchdowns, Pro bowl, multiple Pro Bowls, MVP. You're two plays away from taking down Tom Brady and cruising to the hall of Fame. And it was that tenuous. Yes. But you know what? When it comes to the hall of Fame, everybody's going to have 50,000 yards. The MVP helps. Being, you know, being in the super bowl helps. He's likable. He's in the media. Yeah. You know, I'm glad I don't have, I, I stressed enough when I was voting on NBA awards. I cannot imagine the hall of Fame and just the pressure that you have. Yeah. Marvin. It's funny how two, like one game can separate you from being a Hall of Famer or not. But should one play separate you? Because if he doesn't have the sack fumble, they probably kick a field goal and they win that game. So can one play help you? Can one play hurt you getting into the hall of Fame camp? Yeah, it shouldn't be that tenuous. It shouldn't be one play away. It's like you're ignoring everything else. If you compare regular season stats, Matt Ryan to Eli Manning, it's not that close. Matt's much better. Eli wasn't a good. I mean, his numbers are just average. Yeah, he played a long time and, but he, he didn't lead the league in any category but interceptions. But he won two of the biggest games in NFL history. Yes. Mark, if Eli Manning beats Philip Rivers and Ben Roethlisberger in this, in his two super bowl wins, is he a Hall of Famer? Probably. It's New York. Yeah, it's New York. Name and, you know, two Super Bowls. Aside from what Jim Plunkett. Jim Plunkett would be in the Football hall of Fame if I include what he did at Stanford, winning a Heisman. But he did win two Super Bowls. Yeah. Yeah, it does feel like, all right, you got one. Okay. And bam. But to get two, that's a whole different thing. Yeah, it's tough. It is. And I, I, I, it's painful for me to go down a painful road for him because I'm sure it doesn't want to talk about this, and that's why he brought it up. But I do appreciate getting out in front of something and. And, okay, it happened. Let's, you know, it's there. The elephant's in the room. Go ahead. Yeah. Marvin, if you're Matt Ryan, would you rather have lost that game 28 to 10 instead of being up 283 mid third quarter, too? It wasn't like 283 in the first quarter. Okay. If I'm going to lose the game, do I want to lose it where we really are not a factor in the game, or do I want to lose it where we're up 28.3? I probably want to lose 2810. Yeah. I think I just want them. Well, they were just a better team that day. Yes. You know, they were just better than us. But the Falcons know they were a better team that day. Definitely. And Julio Jones catch. Yes. Yep. That would have been one of the greatest. One of the greatest catches in super bowl history because they would have won the super bowl, which is sort of to your point about Matt Ryan. And does that one play keep you out of the Super Bowl? That. That catch was great regardless. But it's the plays that happened after that catch that diminished that one's greatness. That's very strange. It's like curse. Curse. Had that great grab on the ground. Yeah. And if Russell Wilson, you know, they get a touchdown, then you'll remember that play. It's like identical scenarios, just about. Yeah. Yeah. Mark, going back to Russell Wilson, will Jalen Hurts have that same type of situation where people will kind of diminish what he did because he had such a great defense and a great running game? Well, he's not a great regular season quarterback. I mean, his numbers are kind of average. Well, I mean, Russell was. Russell Wilson wasn't setting the world on fire during the Legion of Boom era. There's a couple of big years there. I don't know if Jalen Hurts is going to have those kind of years. I don't. I don't know if he throws. What did Russ throw for, like 35 touchdowns a couple of times? Once led the league with 35 touchdowns. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think Jalen Hurts is going to do that. But, you know, we. I value leadership as well. If I look back old school, that there's a reason why Bart Starr is in the hall of Fame. You know, Bob Griesy, Johnny Unit is like, there is leadership qualities to that. And I think Jalen Hurts has that, but I don't know. It's it's not something tangible where if I'm voting and I go, yeah, but he was a great leader. Like, we throw that out and I don't know if we even know what a leader is. I just know he's really good for that team. He's the right quarterback for that team. Yes, Mark. So if Jalen Hurts in the Eagles win the super bowl next year, he's probably going to be a Hall of Famer. Yeah. Some guys we look at your stats because we have to look at your stats. Other guys, we look at accomplishments instead of just, man, he threw for 5,000 yards. Yes. But it does feel like we're entering an era of or in an era of quarterback uncertainty where you could see somebody getting their second and it's still not being good enough. Well, that person would be Jalen Hurts. That person would be Jalen Hurts, which is unfair. It's very unfair. But the way that we sort of dissect and judge quarterbacks week by week, you can be an MVP one week and then overrated the next, and then a Super bowl champion and then not a Hall of Famer and then all within the same breath. But it sounds strange to say Joe Burrow feels more like a Hall of Famer than Jalen Hurts does. And it. And it's not fair to Jalen Hurts because he's not asked to throw 40 touchdowns. He doesn't have to, but Jalen Hurts. You know, even the super bowl, they lost, he could have been the mvp. He was. He was that good. He had the one fumble. So he's played well. And isn't that the ultimate compliment? Test question for a quarterback, how do you play in a big game? Yeah, Paulie, Jalen Hurts could be on the path that Troy Aikman was on. I know it's a little apples and oranges, but Troy Aikman his best season was 23 touchdown passes. He usually had about 15 a year. Troy Aikman has half as many touchdown passes in his career as Matt Ryan. But three rings, it's. And with the Cowboys green light. Well, yeah, that. That trumps everybody. When, when you're, when you're winning with the Cowboys and the way they were winning, but even then, you know, they, they really had to share the spotlight. Now Emmett's, you know, the all time leader. You had Mike there, you had personalities, you had coaches, Jimmy Johnson, you had an owner. And like, Troy just did what he was asked to do. I think if you said to Troy, hey, you can throw for 45 touchdowns, you're going to make the playoffs but you're not going to win a Super bowl or you can throw 23, you're going to take that. So I don't know if they, they didn't change their game plan. Now today's Cowboys with that talent. Emmett's not the all time leading rusher and Troy may have a hundred more touchdown passes because he would have to have that many. Yeah, Paulie. A guy who might be going that direction is Justin Herbert from the Chargers. His stats were noticeably down last year in touchdown and yardage. His quarterback rating was way up. They're going to run the ball with Jim Harbaugh and he may get to a Super bowl with 4,200 yards and 25 touchdowns, which would be great. I want to bring this up. I mentioned this at the top of the hour. Deion Sanders, he was at the Big 12 press conference and he was talking about what college football needs. All you have to do is look at the playoffs and see what those teams spent and you understand darn their wide in the playoffs. It's kind of hard to compete with somebody who's given 25, $30 million to a darn freshman class. We're not complaining because all these coaches up here could coach their butts off and give them the right opportunity with the right players in the play. Here and there you'll be there. But it, it's what's going on right now don't make sense. And we, we want to say stuff but we're trying to be professional. But you're going to see the same teams during, at the end and with somebody who sneaks up in there. But the team that pays the more, pays the most is going to be there in it. Yeah, this is no secret. There is a salary cap. But that doesn't stop, you know, collectives or boosters from getting money. It's just going to be under the table. It'll be back to the way it was years ago when you paid people under the table. You got nil. But that's, that doesn't matter. You can pay through ni. There's, there's way too many windows. Way, way, way too many windows. By the way, this 5 and 11, 5 plus 11, what I'm told is that'll be the format in 2026. That's expected to be the format for the playoffs in college football where you get the five highest ranked conference champions, they get an automatic bid. The remaining 11 spots would be filled by at large selections chosen by the college football selection committee. So it's five plus 11, Big 12 and ACC. They love it. The Big 10 and SEC do not. They would like to propose a model that would include four automatic qualifiers for the Big Ten and four for the sec. So they would get half of the Bids in a 16 team playoff. Now, once again, talking to my Source Today, the 5/11 model will win out when the College Football playoff goes to 16 teams. Also, the revenue share that's in place has little chance of succeeding. It's opened the door to excessive payments by collectives. And going forward, these payments will be under the table and not reported. So that's according to my college football source. Probably looking at the 5 plus 11, ACC, big 12 are all for it. Whereas the SEC and big 10 go. We would like half of the bids for the 16 team playoff. Yeah, Paul, Dan, maybe they call it five plus 10 plus Notre Dame because that's how it's going to be. Notre Dame gets nine plus wins. They will put them in. Yes. Yeah, they will. But that it's going to happen. I was told that they're probably going to expand March Madness as well. I thought we were going to have something either last week or this week, but that's what I was told. I don't know if they're going to 72 or 76, but I mean, I understand it. This is about money. That's all. Because the teams that you're adding have no chance of winning the title. None. Like if you're the 71st best team, you're not winning. Now, you might make a run, make it interesting, but this is, this is about. There's a certain amount of teams that can win and then there's a certain amount of teams that can give you a storyline. Because every March we have a storyline or two. You go, oh my God, they're making a run. Oh, that player. I didn't know he was that good. Then it gets down to the Elite Eight Final Four. And then you go, okay, guys, you take over. That's what March Madness has become. So look, if they want to have a bigger, I just don't like the play in games. You're either in the tournament or you're not. You know, I think it's kind of, hey, you kind of made it, but you didn't. But if you win, then you're in. And it's like going to a party, but you don't get to go inside. You're outside and I'll sneak your drinks. And then all of a sudden you go, hey, we got a spot in Here, you know, Tommy left. You get to go into the house party. Yeah, Paulie. The one thing though, about the playing games, it allows them to expand the tournament and not change the tournament structure of 64. So they'll add playing games, the pre tournament games, and then you'll still start the tournament on that Thursday with 64 teams and you'll still have that same bracket look and the same 16 seed, one seed. That's what these playing games allows. Yeah. More going forward. And I've always hated this. Those small, those 16 seeds that are playing Alabama A M against Corpus Christi A M playing in Dayton. No, no, no, no. Those should be for the bubble teams that just got in Providence versus, you know, Ole Miss. Those people should be in Dayton, not the guys that won their tournaments. You win your tournament, you should be. So you're in the bubble teams could be the play in if you want to. Or those first two nights. Yes, right. But maybe there is a way where you start it like even before the season ends. Right. There's a way that you could do a tournament like that where it runs throughout the entire season, the actual basketball season. So you're playing your conference games, your non conference games and then the actual tournament too, where if you won your say, your conference last year, you already qualified to be in the tournament this next year. Oh, so you sort of like you, you win your way in by say the, the year before and then that would actually help because you know you're already in the tournament. That helps you with recruiting. So like the smaller schools like that, they would be able to compete more possibly. I'm just spitball, I'm just throwing this out. But it's. You might be able to recruit better knowing that you're already in the tournament next year. That helps you get a better caliber of player and then that helps level the playing field a little bit more compared to the people that are spending that much money. Yeah, you're just going to have the haves and the have nots. It's just that's the way of life. You know, the same schools are going to be spending the same amount. They're going to spend more than other. It won't happen until everybody has a level playing field with schedules. Certainly with college football, that's where you go. You're going to play X number of teams in your division and then you'll play that division. It'll be the NFL model. And until you get that, everything is subjective. I mean, I don't know how good Arizona State or Boise State were. I love that they got the opportunity. They shouldn't have been an automatic qualifier. But you know, college football is, it's fluid. It's still moving of trying to figure out because everybody now realizes the amount of money that's at stake here and how they had their heads in the sand for so many years where, hey, it's going to be this school and this school for the national title. And then it's going to be. No, we're going to, okay, we'll do four teams and I go, as soon as you guys look at the bottom line, you're going to go, how many teams do we want to have here? And now we're going to go up to 16, probably next year. Take a break. Last call for phone calls. What we learn, what's in store tomorrow. And a reminder, celebrity Family Feud tonight. Hope you're having a watch party to watch us take on the Rich Eisen Show. We're back after this. 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I don't think you can turn it off or have it on just a little bit. I think the light is either really bright or it's off. I was always amazed with Troy Palomalo. Whenever we'd have him on. He was the most soft, low key person. And then you see him on a football field and he's maniacal. He's all over the place. That ability. Like, I envy those people who can turn it off. It's the people. Michael Jordan can't turn it off. He's. That's the way he is on the court, off the court. I mean, he's. He's going to be able to kind of use that and he's going to kill you. He's going to go out now, LeBron, it feels like on the court he's one person, off the court, he's somebody else. And maybe Kobe was like that outside of basketball, you know, your father, you've got daughters, you know, you can't be that competitive guy, but you're just around certain people. Like Grant Hill could not be nicer. But then he was saying, you know, don't, don't mistake niceness for weakness. And I thought it was a great line. Your favorite moment, Marvin, you know what? Just seeing Grant Hill. Grant Hill has one of those interesting careers where he's a Hall of Famer, but there's still a what if quality because even after the show or after his segment, we talked about what he was the first maybe five or six years in Detroit where he was a top five player in the league. And I, I don't know if people are going to kill me for this. He was LeBron before LeBron, 6, 8 and could do everything. So Grant Hill is my favorite. Yeah. And he still battles with that ankle. I mean, you could see it, it, it looks swollen. Yeah, yeah. And you're right. He, he said, I had three careers. I had a pretty high level and then I was kind of in that middle. And then at the end I'm kind of hanging on. But yeah, you know, talking about those moments and you don't realize, you see some of those highlights and all of a sudden it's like, yeah, that's right. And you know, he was going to be the next Jordan. That was the big thing. Everybody was the next Jordan. Tracy McGrady, the next Jordan. Penny Hardaway, the next Jordan. There was. There's no next Jordan. Like when they want to do Anthony Edwards, I go, stop. Just, just stop. He could be the next Jordan. No, he's not. He might be the first Anthony Edwards. That would be good enough. Don't have to be. I could stop. Yes, Marvin. And the funny thing is Grant Hill's Rookie year was 94, 95. Jordan wasn't in the league anymore. So Grant Hill got up to superstar status right away because we're looking for a guy, good looking guy, clean cut and could play. It was made for him. Seaton, favorite moment. Well, the ones those guys just had, really, really good. I really enjoyed Grant Hill a lot. I think the. I was. You know what? I really like the Miz. He, that was like a big surprise. I don't know a lot about him. I don't really follow wrestling. I do actually remember him from mtv, believe it or not. But he. He just had a certain enthusiasm for life and, like, a zest for life. That was really infectious. I was like, dang, man, I hope. I hope that dude does really well in life. You know, he. He doesn't have anybody around him. He's out on the driving range or playing Go. There's no PR team or anything. He's a walking PR machine. Yeah. And I'm. I'm not the big wrestling fan, but I'm a fan of somebody who bet on themselves and became something. Yeah, he was on the Real World, and then all of a sudden creates a character and then for five years learns how to develop the character and be a wrestler. And then all of a sudden, you're fighting John Cena at WWE title. Like, he could have just as easily been a character from, like, Jackass or something, too. You know, where you're like, he cut him and Johnny Knoxville are running around, you know, hitting each other in the nuts or something. He could have done that, too. But he, like, what he's been able to accomplish, to your point, is remarkable. Yeah. Yeah, I like that dude. Let me bring in Al in California or Alifornia. Hi, Al. Day pay. Jay Z, my man. Beautiful day out here in Tahoe. I. It is a bucket list thing. Everybody has to check this out. Last night, playing craps with Zach Levine. Excuse me. And. And Blackjack with the guys from. Pardon my Take. But the highlight of the night has to be learning bubble craps from MF Dylan and PA Ray. It was. It was awesome. Thank you. Thank you, Al. Yeah, Dylan's been out and about with his friend Ray. Glad they're making an impact this day in sports. Paulie, do you have anything? Yes, I got one. Arthur Ashe into the Tennis hall of Fame this Day in Sports Center. And Dwight Gooden, youngest all star ever. 19 and a half years old on this date. Phil Jackson, hired by the Chicago Bulls. Oh, how'd that work out? Yeah, let's go around the room. What we learned on the program. Marvin, I'm going to start with you. What did you learn today? You didn't have an office at ESPN for 10 years. I know. Well, fire hazard we can't give you. And, you know, I've said some things on Pardon My Take. I. Look, I. I've been gone from ESPN for 18 years. I. I would not be in this position without espn. I'm very fortunate. But, you know, when I left, it was a bad situation, but boohoo, we're all good. Thanks for joining us. How'd that work out Yeah, I don't know. I still don't know how that worked out for Paulie seaton. Marv the BRGs, family feud coming up tonight. We'll talk about it tomorrow. Till then, have a great day, everybody. I know a lot of cops. They get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. This is Absolute Season 1 Taser Incorporated. I get right back there and it's bad. 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