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That's oregonhomecarejobs.com youm are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. Welcome to the Week of False Hope. If you're an NFL fan, you can have all the hope you want. And for some of you fan bases, some of you fans, you know it's false hope. You just don't want somebody telling you it's false hope. As I found out in the first hour with Browns fans and Saints fans, how dare you tell us our team is going to be bad. Only we can say our team is going to be bad. But you know, reality sets in and then all of a sudden you go, all right, we are who we thought we were. Thursday night NFL season kicks off the rivalry. The Eagles, the Cowboys. The line is now up to eight and a half. NFL kickoff presented by YouTube TV Thursday at 7 Eastern on NBC. And Peacock, Michael Irvin will join us coming up momentarily. Good morning. If you are watching on Peacock, thank you for downloading the app. A couple more phone calls this final hour. Come up with a new poll question as well. And could the LA Clippers be in trouble with the NBA circumventing the salary cap, maybe paying Kawhi Leonard money off the books? Pablo Torre has an expose and we'll talk to Pablo. He'll join us in about 25 minutes from now. He is the playmaker. He's Irv, three time Super bowl champ and he is a Hall of Famer and he is a proud member of the U. He was on the sidelines. Mike, you were more excited than the players during that Notre Dame game.
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Michael Irvin
Well, I don't know about that, DP because I certainly certainly didn't put in the work that they put in. But, but then, listen, I know, I know I'm approaching, you know, 60 years old. Those are young men playing, just having fun. It's my job to let them know these are the greatest times of your life. Don't let these slip away. You're writing your history and go, right, well, so you could be an old man like me and reminisce well later, you know what I'm saying? But it was. It's so great to be out there with those guys, Dan, and be able to feel like you're part of something, you know what I mean? They look at me, they said, oh, we love it with you here, man. And you know, it's just. Yeah, that does things for me, man. So. So I enjoy it.
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Dan Patrick
What was it like to watch the cowboy documentary when you're reopening a scrapbook there?
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Michael Irvin
Well, that was. It was easy for me because it was my life. I walked out and I live on it. I live in my head with it all the time anyway, you know, and, and it was time to really open up and share about a lot of things. The world has moved forward and changed and now you can use your history to try to help somebody have a better destiny if you, if you open up and share. So that's what I thought it was time to do. And, and in the documentary. And I thought they did a great job. I thought they did a great job at shooting it and allowing people to share and try to straighten out some of the stories that always get greater later and turn into lies, you know what I'm saying?
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Dan Patrick
Okay, what's the one story that you wanted to correct?
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Michael Irvin
Well, I don't want to say I want to correct, but like you read a guy that's over that boys would be boys books walking around like I took a pair of scissors and just walked up and stab Everett MacGyver in the naked, stuff like that, even though it was all wrong. But that's not what happened. You know, we, we were, we were getting haircut and everything and, and actually I was getting my ass kicked. You see what I'm saying? I was for really getting my ass kicking. And in order to try to defend myself, I, I did something stupid, you know, stuff like that. But. And we were out drinking tonight. We were out drinking before that. We were all. And I was. What I was doing was revving the line in the young lineman just like I did with Big E, just like we did with Larry Allen to make sure they're ready when it's time. He was the new guy coming in. We were like, come on, new guy. You, you're the new guy. You know, things like that. And, and we had already had some drinks prior to that, I think. And then Biggie was messing with him, told him like, come on now, you.
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Dan Patrick
Ain'T Gonna let that little.
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Michael Irvin
That little black say something to you like that, Right? Every time. And then he came. Yeah, he was whooping my butt there. Right there for.
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Dan Patrick
Wait, so then you grab the scissors.
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Michael Irvin
Yeah, yeah. And. And I shouldn't have done that. I shouldn't have done that. And I thank him today, though, Rich. I mean, I. I'm calling you Rich because I'm so used to you and Rich together. Dp. I thank him today for the way he handled that. You know what I mean? I was trying to. I talked to Biggie. We can't. I was looking for his number. I just wanted to reach out to him again because when you see the documentary, it makes you think and relive all of it and. And you think about how important that moment was in the way he handled it. For me to still be at this moment, I'm in my life. So it makes you want to reach out and just. Just tell them. Thank you again.
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Dan Patrick
Are the Cowboys better this week than last week?
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Michael Irvin
I. I can't say that. And that's.
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Dan Patrick
Why do you think Jerry feels that way?
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Michael Irvin
That's. That's fitting. I say I can't say that, and that's a hurting question. And then you ask that question and I'm giving you. Because he's a hurt. Hurt. Because he's hurting. That's the answer. You know, I know when I saw this, I felt his pain in that press conference. I know the relationship he wanted was Michael. I certainly know the relationship Michael wanted with Jerry. When I did that draft, I was at that draft, I was spot, spot. Michael came up to me and said, I'm going to do. I'm going to do just what you doing. I'm going to be. Just going to do this. He said this, and then you'll see, after the Cowboys actually draft him, we were in the back yelling like he wanted to play for the Cowboys, he wanted to win championships, and he wanted to be doing tv just like me. This is what he said to me, day one of the draft. Now. I know, I know. And he wanted a life after football and in this business. And what do you think that podcast would have been? He was building $100 million podcast. As long as he was playing for the Dallas Cowboys, it's no longer that anymore. So. So I know you got a deal, which really comes out to be five years, 42 million a year, but a great deal. A great deal.
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Dan Patrick
And.
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Michael Irvin
And he got the money, but I still say it's a failure, certainly for the Cowboys. But. But I. I think for him also. I think he did like, like what your boy said. Better for his agent than what's best for him.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah. And you, it feels like he still is a cowboy in his mind. Like he wanted to be a cowboy.
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Michael Irvin
Yeah. And, and, and, and, and, and, and the agent who does a great job came on, went on our boys show yesterday, Stephen, and he said, he said Michael wanted to be a Dallas Cowboy. Then your next statement is null and void to me. Everything else is not important because your job, you blew your job. I, I don't want to hear you tell me I, I got by $5 million. That's new money, New year. That's future value, not present value because we're starting right here. Even though it's only a year later, everybody is five year deal, 42 million. When you could have worked out a deal where Mike was taking home more money, you could have worked out a deal and they should have put their egos aside and got that deal worked out. The number one thing he said was Michael wanted to be a Dallas Cowboy. That's your job to go get the most money from the Dallas Cowboys. That was your job. And they failed at it.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, I understand what you're saying. And it felt like Jerry, his feelings are hurt and you're not going to talk to me that way. I get deals done. I've made deals all my life. That's how I got here. Who are you to tell me to stick that contract, you know, up my rear end?
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Michael Irvin
Yeah, but also, but also, but also, also, I, I, I understand that. I understand. I don't care how Jerry reacts. It is how you reacts to Jerry's reaction. And, and with Stephen a ass. He said, did he try to send a contract? He said, I told him. Yeah. He said, he said yes. He said yes. He said, I said to Adam, if you guys think I'm going to rubber stamp it, don't send that. That, that shouldn't have even come out of your mouth. Send a contract, go it over red line in the contract. What you did not like, put your numbers in and send it back. You are in a full negotiation. I may, Jerry may have said, well, he said shove it up your butt. He said, he never said that. I can buy that. But then on the other end, I must extrapolate from him that there's no way. He just said, I told him I'm not going to rub a stamp it if you guys were already in a heated moment. So yeah, yeah, you should have taken that contract and negotiated. That's my thought that's my thought. I got my opinion, you know, and, and if Michaels and everybody happy, then I'm okay with it. But I just thought he wanted to be here.
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Dan Patrick
Michael Irvin, hall of Famer, three time super bowl champ. How's Dion doing?
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Michael Irvin
You know how Dion is doing. The had a game he could have won the other night. He had that game, that was a big game.
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Dan Patrick
But health wise, health wise, health wise, he's great.
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Michael Irvin
Health wise, he's great. Health wise, he's in the best place he could be. That's right. Back on the sideline with his guys. I told you, Dan, when I went to see him and he was really at his lowest, all he talked about to me, which was amazing was, you know, I haven't seen my players. I haven't seen my players. And I told him, he reminded me when my dad was very sick and went to the doctor and, and all he was thinking about was his family. You know, it tells you the power and how powerful that kind of man is. Is it? You know, so, so yeah, you know, he feel he was like that thinking only about his players when he was at his lowest. And now his players are probably feeling low. Yeah, you know how he feels right now. But health wise, he's healthy.
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Dan Patrick
If I told you that you could pick, you had to pick Miami Hurricanes win the national title or the Cowboys win the Super Bowl.
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Michael Irvin
I would take. I would take the team that I've already won a championship with. You know, whichever team I've already won a championship with, that. That's the team I pick.
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Dan Patrick
So you'd pick the Cowboys?
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Michael Irvin
I won a championship in both teams.
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Dan Patrick
I know that answer right there. Yeah, see, I wouldn't allow it. I know.
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Michael Irvin
Don't try to put. Don't try to put.
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Dan Patrick
Oh, come on.
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Michael Irvin
That ain't the first time. One time, Miami, a team from Florida came up here to play a team in Texas. You know, in high school football, I was on the sideline. They were trying to pin me. What state you going for?
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Dan Patrick
I feel the state.
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Michael Irvin
I want a championship.
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Dan Patrick
And that was go.
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Michael Irvin
You know, how.
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Dan Patrick
How do the Eagles not go back to the super bowl, man?
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Michael Irvin
I mean, first of all, they have a great team. They have a great team. And, and it's going to take someone to go take it because they won't give it because he's a great leader in Jalen hurts, man, the way he just go about his business. And the best thing, the best thing happened to that team. And I'm not talking about for his ability to Run the football. I'm talking about for his ability to run himself, his way, his personality. With Saquon Barkley coming over and showing that kind of leadership to the A.J. browns and the Devontae Smith, that it ain't about us individually, it's about us collectively. And now, yeah, now they're dangerous. They are the favorites, and you gotta go take it from them. The only way they lose it is if they lose that glue. That glue is Saquon Barkley.
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Dan Patrick
How often do you talk to Troy?
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Michael Irvin
I talked to Troy quite a bit. I saw him the last couple. Couple weeks. We had a couple things we were doing together. Like, you know, of course I had him on my podcast and on my YouTube channel. And then we had. We went to Jimmy's retirement party. You know what I mean? We snuck in Jimmy's retirement party from Fox. So. So yeah, we. We get out. We get around and get to talk, but we all do. I mean, also, you know, Dan, that's the great thing. We're still all best boys and still hanging around and still talking football and get to talk about what's going on now with the Cowboys.
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Dan Patrick
But Troy didn't socialize you with you back in the day with the Cowboys, did he?
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Michael Irvin
No, Dan, that's a nice question. Way of asking because I appreciate your respect for Troy Aikman. No, Troy never came to the White House. That ain't the best of what you're trying to get to.
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Dan Patrick
Well, wasn't Troy dating Sandra Bullock back then?
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Michael Irvin
Hey, Troy never did, you know. Hey, Troy was one of them rare rares boy. Hey, I took. They'll tell you. Troy. Hey, Troy came home and people in his house, he called the police. That's what Troy does. He was the right kind of guy. I was like.
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Dan Patrick
But wasn't he. Wasn't he dating Sandra Bullock at one point?
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Michael Irvin
Yeah, well, I don't. I don't remember if it was Sandra Bullock, but you know.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah.
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Michael Irvin
You know how they do that thing on Instagram or something on the social media where he said, the women you dated.
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Dan Patrick
Yes.
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Michael Irvin
Right. He was the quarterback.
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Dan Patrick
That was cowboy.
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Michael Irvin
Hey, but you know, Troy with young blonde hair, blue eyes and boy, that shotgun, you know. Well, I'm gonna leave that alone. Don't try to get me in trouble, dad. But, but you know.
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Dan Patrick
No, no, you get. You get yourself in trouble. I'm not trying to.
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Michael Irvin
It's okay. Now I don't really got a job.
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Dan Patrick
Right now, so we can get me in.
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Michael Irvin
It's all good.
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Dan Patrick
Great to talk to you, Irv. Great to talk to you, man.
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Michael Irvin
I miss you too, dp. I miss you too, man. I'm, I'm glad to see you doing well still, my brother. You just keep pounding away.
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Dan Patrick
Thank you, man.
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Michael Irvin
God bless you, my brother. Love him.
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Dan Patrick
Michael Irvin won a national championship at the U in 1987. Wasn't he the 11th overall pick just like Michael Parsons? Does that sound right? Is both the 11th overall pick? Is Mike still there? Mike?
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Michael Irvin
Yeah.
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Dan Patrick
Were you. You the 11th overall?
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Michael Irvin
I was 11, I think. Mike, did Michael Parson go to 14th? Some. Wasn't. No, he wore 11.
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Dan Patrick
He wore 11.
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Michael Irvin
But yeah, I think because he dropped in his draft or something. And, and, and, and I told him you don't drop to the Cowboys. You are placed to the Cowboys by God himself. Now, now you know, now this has happened. You shouldn't have left that placement, but that's what I told.
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Dan Patrick
Thank you, Mike. Thank you. Marv. Where was Micah Parsons?
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Michael Irvin
12Th overall.
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Dan Patrick
12Th overall. Okay. I thought they were both the 11th. All right. Are the LA Clippers in trouble? It's certainly sounds like they've got some questions to answer. I think they're in trouble. The question is how much trouble Pablo Torre has. Well, he's got an explosive story, investigation into Steve Ballmer and circumventing the salary cap and maybe paying Kawhi Leonard off the books. Pablo joins us next. Dan Patrick Show Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, it's Ben, host of the Fifth Hour with Ben Maller. Would mean a lot to have you join us on our weekly auditory journey. You're asking what in God's name is the fifth Hour? I'll tell you. It's a spin off of the Ben Mather Show, a cult hit overnights on fsr. Why should you listen? Picture, if you will, a world where we chat with captains of industry in media, sports and more every week. Explore some amazing facts about human nature and more. Listen to the fifth hour with Ben Mather on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast.
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Dan Patrick
I come in today and I see the LA Clippers are trending. And I go, what? First week of September, what? James Harden shaved his beard and I don't think that's why they're trending. And then I realized they're trending for bad reason. Pablo Torre. Pablo Torre finds Out Podcast Meadowlark Media and the athletic contributor to pardon the interruption. All right, summarize your report on the Clippers. Steve Ballmer and Kawhi Leonard.
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Pablo Torre
Hello, Dan. We got to stop meeting like this. It's always something when we get together. You may recall how in 2019, the NBA investigated the signing of Kawhi Leonard by the Clippers. This was the Uncle Dennis story, him asking for all these sweeteners, these side deals. This was the Lakers, the Raptors, very mad. Lots of teams, very mad. NBA Investigates says this is a cardinal sin. Salary caps are convention. But they find nothing. Today we have given something, I dare say to anybody who cares about this stuff. And the stuff here is kind of wild. This is a story that started because of a company called Aspiration, which no one really remembers in fairness, but they had signed some of the most famous people in the world to be endorsers. Leonardo DiCaprio, Drake, Robert Downey Jr. Cindy Crawford, Cindy Crawford's daughter, all people who endorsed this climate change company that planted trees to zero out your carbon footprint like good guys. Only for those same good guys to have since been embroiled in what has been concurrent Department of Justice and SEC investigations that have resulted in guilty pleas by one of the co founders of the company, a prominent Democratic politician and donor named Joe Sandberg, who happens to have also been a buddy of Steve Ballmer and Steve Ballmer. In this story we establish and report using over 3,000 documents and seven sources from inside the company put in $50 million of his own money into Aspiration. Very long wind up. I apologize for taking so long. Here's the punchline. The endorsement deal that was the biggest that Aspiration signed, given all those a list Avengers happened to be kawhi Leonard. $28 million more than four times the rest of the celebrity roster combined. And the kicker you might argue is that he didn't do anything. It was a no show job, did nothing, wasn't obligated to do anything, which we can explain if you want. But the point being it was a secret deal that no one knew about until now.
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Dan Patrick
NBA have anything to say yet?
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Pablo Torre
Not yet. Not yet. I should say. Steve Ballmer and the Clippers, when he asked them for comment, they said that this was provably false, that they denied it. They did not know at the time that we had over 3,000 pages of documents and seven sources. I look forward to them proving the falsehoods that they allege. I can tell you though, from the NBA perspective, what I've been told this morning is that it's been a bit of panic over there. I'm told that they did not know about this deal between Steve Ballmer or at the very least between Aspiration and Kawhi Leonard with the influence of Steve Ballmer according to our reporting being the driving force of it. So yeah, it's going to get a little messy. Dan over there, I think what rule.
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Dan Patrick
Did the Clippers break?
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Pablo Torre
So salary caps or convention is something that the NBA has decided to in previous statements take very seriously. So Kawhi Leonard has only signed max contracts. So sign the first one coming off of Toronto. The extension in 2021 is what lines up with the timeline here that we are explaining the $28 million above and beyond the max deal he signed. He signed another extension just last year. And so the thing here is, and this is I think a bit of the character study. Steve Ballmer is the richest owner in all of sports in the world, he's the sixth richest man on the planet. And so if you know anything about how the Clippers have operated. Right. The Intuit Dome, a building, as he says, built in his own image for hardcore basketball fans like him, using personal, private money, no taxpayer funds. He is a guy who's expanded his front office, hired a zillion people because that is uncapped. He can spend all the money on that. But the most important thing this hardcore basketball fan needed, of course, taking over the team from noted bad guy Donald Sterling, is a franchise superstar. And so the rule alleged to have been broken here is that cardinal rule, you got to stay within the salary cap for your actual players. And seven sources say that was deliberately what was not done.
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Dan Patrick
But was there a way that they could. They could argue that Kawhi Leonard did represent the company. He. He was a name that was attached. Like, I'm just looking at, if I'm the Clippers, how do I get deniability?
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Pablo Torre
Yeah, it's hard. It's hard because typically, you know, there's this funny phrase in courtrooms, you hear like, you know, the absence of evidence is not evidence. Well, in this case, he was endorsing a company, and the absence of evidence is the absence of any endorsement. No tweets, no retweets, no favorites, no likes, no appearances, no nothing. According to the Internet. According to the sources, we have nothing. And so the absence of evidence happens to be in this very narrow but meaningful way, the evidence. And they might say, well, Steve Ballmer didn't know about this, but here is now where I think all of this becomes a bit of an IQ test. Because what I haven't mentioned that we get to in the story is that aspiration was not merely some random company aspiration on Media Day of 2021. And you can go to the press conference footage and find it. They are announced as this founding sponsor of the Los Angeles Clippers. They are signage everywhere. Back of your courtside seats as aspiration. Dan, they were going to get the jersey patch. The company collapsed into ruin and disgrace before they got there. But that was the agreement. It was announced. There are headlines everywhere. You can find them. You can see the video. Steve Ballmer, right next to the guy who pled guilty to two counts of wire fraud just two weeks ago. So you can say, we didn't know about this, but then the IQ test is. And this is another bit of reporting, then why. And this is according to the sources who are on tape. The one source we have who agreed to go on tape with voice modulation because of the federal investigations that are ongoing and concurrent in their experience. Uncle Dennis was calling as the company was declining and unable to pay its bills. Was calling saying, pay us. And inside of aspiration, what is very clear is that the number one priority, that is a quote, the number one priority for this collapsing fake green bank was you got to pay Kawhi Leonard. As bankruptcy was on the horizon, as no one could pay their bills, as no one else was getting paid, Kawhi was getting paid. And the question I ask you is why was he priority number one for doing nothing at a company that could not pay its bills? It would seem that there was some influence from behind the scenes.
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Dan Patrick
Pablo Torre. It's Pablo Torrey finds out podcast Metal Arc Media and the Athletic. Was it Joe Smith, Timberwolves? What was that? Five first round draft picks that they were docked? I mean, I. If this is all true, I got to believe that precedent has been set here. Pablo.
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Pablo Torre
Oh, oh, yeah, look, there's a history lesson here, right? Joe Smith and Glenn Taylor. Glenn Taylor, the piece of paper they wrote off the books. Number one overall pick getting that side deal. Five picks. Glenn Taylor was suspended. Kevin McHale, the GM of the team 25 years ago at the time, was put on leave. Fines were levied, millions of dollars were levied. But I would say that there's a difference here. And Mark Stein tweeted this out helpfully because I defer to people who've been covering this stuff even longer than me when it comes to, well, how does this play out? He said it was staggering and unprecedented what is being alleged in our reporting. And so you could argue, at least Stein argues, this is more than the Joe Smith story, Right? This is actually far more sophisticated and yet stupid at the same time, given everything that I just gave a long wind up on. And look, man, Dan, you and I, I love, by the way, that you care about these stories because I don't know if anybody really does with your level of prominence and your platform in that way, but how this sausage gets made behind the scenes with owners and leagues. Steve Ballmer is the richest owner in all of sports and Adam Silver's boss.
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Dan Patrick
Right?
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Pablo Torre
So this is not a real justice system in the NBA. This is a business deal. They got a strike. How do you punish your own boss? What are the other bosses, the 29 others you have? What do they have to say about it? It's a fascinating parlor game, what the punishment ends up being.
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Dan Patrick
And we don't know if those Other owners have their own little shell game going. I don't know how in your reporting, if, you know, you're stumbling upon other owners who, you know, because people love to talk. Once the first, you know, person gets outed, now all of a sudden it feels like it's safe to out other people.
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Pablo Torre
Yeah. The difference here. And by the way, it's funny, like, my tip line has never been more. More used by enemies of Jalen Brunson. Right. Like, look into that one. Right. As well as, you know, James Harden.
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Dan Patrick
Is there something in there with Jalen Brunson?
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Pablo Torre
Well, look how he arrived at the Knicks. This is where I will have to defer to the reporting I may or may not do on this certainly was interesting, right? Like, okay, that's a pretty good deal for the Knicks. Has some whatever. Anyway, I don't want to get ahead of myself in terms of.
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Dan Patrick
That's a tease. That's a tease.
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Pablo Torre
It's a bit of a tease. I'm showing a little ankle with you. I always show a little bit more ankle than I should with you. But by the way, subscribe.
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Dan Patrick
Like and subscribe.
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Pablo Torre
But the thing about how often this happens is a really fascinating question because I would argue that it doesn't happen to this scale and with this level of documentation, which is only enabled because of the collapse of this fraudulent company. The other stuff, look, historically, I was assuming, because I'm maybe dumb, you would give a stock tip or something, have someone else be multiple degrees away. You wouldn't do it through a company that has its signage on your building. But that's what our sources say is exactly the thing that happened. And so in that way, kind of of its own as. As Stein was alluding to.
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Dan Patrick
Good to talk to you again. I'll talk to you with the Jalen Brunson story whenever that comes out. Pablo, you'll get.
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Pablo Torre
You'll get some kneecaps.
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Dan Patrick
Thank you.
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Pablo Torre
That level.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah. We might be moving to thigh after that. Thank you, Pablo. Pablo. Tori.
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Michael Irvin
Thank you, dad.
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Dan Patrick
Pablo Torre finds out Podcast Meadowlark Media, the athletic and contributor to Pardon the Interruption. The NBA. You know, probably thought it was going to be a quiet day. Quiet week. Hey, nothing going on. Football season. Hey, let's get our fantasy draft going on. Come on. Commission. You're gonna be in our fantasy league. No, no, wait a minute. What's Pablo Torre report? Okay, well, we'll do our fantasy draft later. Let's. Let's circle the wagons here. A lot of sources. A lot of. That's where you have what, 3, 000 pages? Because that, you know, the Clippers might have reacted where it's, you know, if Pablo calls up to get a comment and they go, you know, that that story's not true. We don't have any comment on stories that aren't true. Well, we have 3, 000 pages of documents. We will issue a statement here coming up. We. We still don't have any comment, but we will issue a statement. Yes, Paulie, the NBA has lots of.
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Pablo Torre
Rules printed and otherwise that you can't gift a player, like a percentage of.
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Dan Patrick
The franchise or equity either now or in the future for players, because people are always like, you know, they should just give blank LeBron or Steph 3% of the franchise. You can't do that. There's many rules against this type of stuff, man. I'd love to. Now, if you could interview Steve Ballmer or you could interview Kawhi or interview Adam Silver, the commissioner, I would have to interview Steve Ballmer. Kawaii's not going to tell you anything. I mean, even when he's in a good mood, he's not really telling you anything. Great laugh. But that's about it. Adam Silver, I don't know what he would say. Steve Ballmer, you could ask questions and say, how did we get to this point, Steve? Yes, Marvin.
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Michael Irvin
Yeah, because if you interview Kawhi, Kawai's gonna be like, man, my uncle Dennis set it up. I just said, all right. It seems like it's very cut and dry where I don't handle any of this. It's almost like the show entourage. Hey, you want to visit Chase now? Talk to E. Talk to Ari. I'm just a movie star.
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Dan Patrick
Yes, Todd, and Adam still is very.
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Michael Irvin
Engaging with you, but ultimately he'd have to kind of drop to commissioner speak and really be careful and choose his words carefully, especially if there's an ongoing.
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Dan Patrick
Any response from the NBA we have not heard. Okay. Just yet. Yeah. Probably not going to hear the Clippers. They're probably not going to hear anything. All right, last call for phone calls. What we learn what's in store tomorrow, this day in sports history. All of that coming up next. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live.
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Shohei Ohtani hit his 100th home run as a Dodger. It was a loss to the Pirates. He reached 100 home runs in 294 games, beating the franchise record of 399 by Gary Sheffield. Only two players have reached 100 home runs with a single team faster than Ohtani did with The Dodgers Mark McGuire. And that was with the Cardinals Babe Ruth with the Yankees. Stat of the Day broadcast to you by the great folks at Panini. The official trading cards of the Dan Patrick show my guy, Nolan McLean. Once again, he's rolling for the Mets. He is the first pitcher to win his first four career starts while allowing two runs or less in each start since 2006. Jared Weaver did so for the Angels. All right, last call for phone Call. Yes, Paul. It's a funny thing you've been mentioning.
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Pablo Torre
Your guy Nolan McLean around the hallways.
- [45:22]
Dan Patrick
And whenever you do it, we do.
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Pablo Torre
The bad guy from Die Hard. Mr. McClain.
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Dan Patrick
I'll just do that under our breath. Mr. McLean.
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Michael Irvin
No compliance.
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Dan Patrick
Shoot the glass, Hans. Shoot the glass. Ah, good stuff. Curtis in Illinois. Hi, Curtis, thanks for holding. What's on your mind today? Morning, D.P. a couple quick things for you this morning. First, I think that caller earlier may be a little overzealous on the Saint success considering they have the Teemu version of Patrick Mahomes at quarterback. And then second is how can the packers have Micah pass a physical while he has a back issue that may require him to have an epidural on Sunday? Like, would there be any verbiage in his contract for any kind of pre existing injury that would nullify any of his guarantees? I don't know. You know, I think leading up to it, nobody was really adding credence to this back injury. It's like, oh, okay, wink, wink. He's got a back injury, therefore he can't practice. Now all of a sudden, you hear that he might need an epidural. Sounds a little more serious to me. But I don't know what the. You know, the packers don't want to, you know, void this deal, but I don't know if it has any impact on this contract. But thank you, Curtis. Sean in Daytona Beach. Hi, Sean. What's on your mind? Dan, thanks for calling me back. Six foot, 185.2 this morning. Okay, great stuff this morning, especially when you catch up with the playmaker. And speaking of that, you know, we're on the eve of the NFL season. Fans want hope and they think you are talking trash on their teams. But we are also damn. On the eve of the. Eve of the first meat Friday of the NFL season. And I would be damned if you're going to stand around and talk crap on mayo and onions. I want some potato salad. I want some coleslaw. I don't know what Chef Dylan has on the menu, but Paulie, back me up. That is classic tailgate paper plate stuff. Dan, you can't be talking meat Friday as a team game. It's about the size. We all play together here. It's not just about the meat. Thank you, Sean. I'll take that under advisement. Yes, Paul, Coleslaw is polarizing people throw that topic out there and people get heated on either side.
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Pablo Torre
There's no middle ground on coleslaw.
- [47:39]
Dan Patrick
Yeah, even if you take the Mayo out. It doesn't matter. I don't want it. It ceases to be coleslaw. Well, Dylan said I made you some coleslaw without mayonnaise. Oh, yeah. Yes. Todd, what about macaroni salad? That's always fun. I know. That's also a mayo based potato salad. Macaroni salad. No, they're. They're in the same family. No, the answer is no. John in Minnesota. Hi, John. What's on your mind today? It's taking my call. You gotta go to Porky's in Memphis. You'll like their coleslaw. Okay, so do you guys like the current state of college football? Because, like, for instance, Alabama just lost. But it, like, who cares? Like, you didn't beat a Derrick Henry. Alabama with Nick Saban. Like, I just, like, it's a wild, wild west. It's just chaos. There's nothing I can do about it. Okay? I've tried to be a lifeguard for college football and it doesn't matter. I've tried to give even current coaches or one retired coach a heads up on exactly what was happening and nobody. These coaches did not believe me years ago when I said, man, they're going to be spending money. And then once again, this is now a retired coach who said, oh yeah, were they going to give the lineman pizza? And I said, you, you should know, like, they're going to build their offensive and defensive lines, but if you don't have salary caps, there's still going to be people getting paid illegally nil, all of that. It's big business. That's what you always have to come back to. This is not the purity, the sanctity, the pomp and circumstance of college football. It is business treated as such. Yes.
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Pablo Torre
The thing that I don't understand is funny, like, I think people were just.
- [49:31]
Dan Patrick
Always going to react negatively to whatever happened in college athletics because of this. But the initial reaction to nil was.
- [49:40]
Pablo Torre
Well, the rich are just going to.
- [49:41]
Dan Patrick
Keep getting richer and now little schools.
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Pablo Torre
Never have a chance. And now what we're seeing is, well, what the heck?
- [49:47]
Dan Patrick
Alabama's not even good anymore. This nil stinks.
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Pablo Torre
We got to get rid of this. It's the exact opposite of what everybody.
- [49:53]
Dan Patrick
Was worried about leading into it. Yeah, well, great. We're never going to be able to compete with Alabama now. Their pockets are too deep.
- [49:59]
Pablo Torre
And instead what happened is the little.
- [50:01]
Dan Patrick
Schools actually do have a more of a chance now and people don't like that either.
- [50:05]
Pablo Torre
So, like, which is.
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Dan Patrick
It'S in the eye of the beholder. It's open to interpretation of, hey, I love it because I am an Arizona State fan or a Boise State fan. Then you probably love today's college football. The, the Blue Bloods are like, wait a minute here. I thought we had the unfair advantage. What's wrong with this sport? We're supposed to be, you know, getting all of these players. I mean, keep in mind Oklahoma, Nebraska, they would over recruit. So these other, you know, quarterbacks and running backs and wide receivers, defensive linemen didn't go to other schools. Yeah, Seaton. Yeah. I forget who it was that said it, but it might have been somebody that we had on the show, but they were talking about how the problem is that these other schools like the Alabamas and the powerhouse schools just aren't as deep as they were because kids are getting money and going to actually play real minutes at other schools rather.
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Pablo Torre
Than sitting behind for two, you know.
- [51:03]
Dan Patrick
A year or two behind. Well, I got Derrick Henry ahead of me and then I got so and so.
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Pablo Torre
But then in, you know, a year or two, it's going to be my turn. Instead they could just take a million.
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Dan Patrick
Dollars and go play somewhere else right now. Well, the U had like three or four running backs that were all going to play in the NFL and they're like jets lined up at LAX ready to take off and they got to wait their turn. Now it's like, I'm out of here. What? Yeah. Yeah. Marvin.
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Michael Irvin
Yeah. My favorite thing about Alabama during the Nick Saban years was, hey, Alvin Kamara, your fifth string, you're not going to play.
- [51:35]
Dan Patrick
He.
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Michael Irvin
Alvin Kamera is your fifth string guy or even like Richard's talking about the U. Frank Gore couldn't get on the field until his senior year because he just had Clinton portis and Willis McGahey and Najee Davenport ahead of him.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, I know, I know. Ah, the old days. Darn it. Ole Miss, we missed the old days. Tomorrow, the fifth annual Hot Take draft.
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Michael Irvin
Let's go.
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Dan Patrick
Wow. We got to bring back some hot takes from a year ago. Now these are things that are in the realm of possibilities. But it's, it's pretty wild though. We make some, you know, the hotter the take, the, the better, the better the content. We do have the hot Take now chain that we'll be bringing out. That's backed by Seaton's desk this day in sports history. Paul, just a couple for you. Dan.
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Pablo Torre
1895, the first pro football game played in Latrobe, Pennsylvania. The Latrobe YMCA took it to Jeannette.
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Dan Patrick
Athletic Club 12 0. Jeanette disbanded after that year out of embarrassment. Yeah, they couldn't even show their faces. Embarrassing. 1970 Vince Lombardi died of cancer at only age 57. I did not realize he was that young. Wow, that kind of hits you. 2001 Bud Smith of the Cardinals, the.
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Pablo Torre
16Th major league rookie to throw a no hitter.
- [52:53]
Dan Patrick
It was only his 11th career start. Yeah, I remember that. Doing Sports Center. All right. That was a fun show. Quick show, crammed a lot in there. Ross Tucker, Ron Jaworski on the program tomorrow. Todd, what did you learn today on a Pablo Tor story that Kawhi got a no show job from Steve Ballmer to circumvent the NBA salary cap? You suggest he already has that job? No showing on the court for the Clippers. Slam Seaton, what did you learn today?
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Pablo Torre
Pablo Torre's putting in work.
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Dan Patrick
Yes, he is. Yes he is. That's where it's like, you know, it used to be of 60 Minutes and Mike Wallace. Now it's Pablo Torre. It's like he's going to deep dive. Marvin Jalen Brunson probably next, the Knicks. Paul, what did you learn today?
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Pablo Torre
Busy day unexpectedly at the NBA offices.
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Dan Patrick
How about you Todd? Can you tell me what I learned today?
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Michael Irvin
You know, what we all learned.
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Dan Patrick
DraftKings is now offering a ghost leg promotion, Dylan, where if you miss your parlay by just one, you can recoup some money. Nice. The gambling podcast. We're going to tape that after the show today because Dylan wants to go to the Eagles game tomorrow. So we'll do that today. Shane Irving, Bad Larry and Dylan, thanks for joining us. We'll try to do better tomorrow.
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