C (3:37)

Paul just sent this one over. If you were the top high school quarterback in the country and the nil money was all the same, or where would you sign today?

A (3:48)

Penn state.

D (3:54)

Yes, Paulie, I think I'd lean towards, even though I'm not a fan of the program, Ohio State because of the situation with their receivers the past decade. Decade plus.

A (4:04)

Yeah, but that quarterback's going to be around for a couple more years. I would probably say lsu. If you're going there, they're spending money and I got Lane Kiffin there. You know, they're going to get some playmakers as well. Here's something for you. Here's the schools that are having a better recruiting class than Penn State. These are the ones having a better recruiting class than Penn State. As of right now, as of this morning, this according to 247 sports. Harvard, Cal Poly, UC Davis, Northern Arizona, Kennesaw State, Delaware, North Texas, Hawaii, Idaho, Georgia, Southern Georgia state, Old Dominion, UMass, Arkansas State, Buffalo, Charlotte, FIU, Eastern Michigan, Central Michigan, South Alabama, Sacramento, State.

A (4:55)

Of.

B (4:56)

The day, Start of the day, Start of the day.

A (5:01)

This is the state.

A (5:06)

Stat of the Day brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the Dan Patrick show. The offensive coordinator for the Ohio State Buckeyes going to South Florida, Brian Hartline, former receiver, is going to go and take over the program at South Florida. Penn State as of now has four commits and this is national signing day. Still waiting to get there, head coach. Alrighty, Dave. In Arkansas, they call him Pittsburgh Dave, I believe. Hi, Dave.

E (5:35)

Yes, they do. And if I may paraphrase Jimmy Chitwood a little bit, I don't know if it's going to make any Change. But I think it's about time for me to start talking about Mike Tomlin. And what we've got to. I think what we've got to really look at is I think there's a disconnect somewhere. Something has gone wrong. There's a short. There's a short in the system. And I do think it's time for him to go. I think he's lost the room, I think. But I think it's still very possible he could go three and two these last five games. They end up with a winning record and possibly even with that, win the division, they can even win the playoff game. Hey, they could still run it out. They're not going to. But I think, regardless, one way or the other, even if they were, then you end on top and let's go. But I think. I think the disconnect is there, and I think it's time for him to move on. Whether or not that place is Penn State, I could see that. But I think he wants to be a pro coach.

A (6:35)

Yeah, I wouldn't see Penn State. I could see him doing tv or maybe he would take over another, like the Bengals, if they're open. He's. I mean, there's going to be opportunities here if he wants to coach elsewhere. But you're right. If he doesn't have the super bowl, then I wonder if he's still the head coach. There's. Because that helps the resume. But you haven't won a playoff game since 2016, and this is a team, franchise city, that expects championships, not just a playoff win. And he hasn't been able to come up with that. That has to be factored in. And, you know, the players change, but the coach is still there. And Ben Roethlisberger, of all people said, you know, maybe it's time to clean house. And that should resonate with people in the front office with Ben saying that I don't know his relationship with Mike Tomlin, but to say that is a pretty strong statement.

D (7:28)

Yeah, Paulie, they kind of remind me the Steelers of Michigan five, six years ago when they couldn't find a quarterback and they're using the portal and they were just a quarterback away from winning the national title, and they did. And it feels like the Steelers are a team that just can't find a quarterback the past five years. It makes you realize how competitive Roethlisberger kept you year to year. Pickett, Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, a guy who's too young, two guys who are too old. How about a guy who's 28 years old, in his prime, and I think they'd be right back in the thick of things.

A (7:59)

They could have their quarterback, but, I mean, it's just not a threatening team.

A (8:06)

I mean, it used to be pretty simple. They played good defense, they ran the ball, and they could come up with a couple of big plays. I mean, go back to Terry Bradshaw. They weren't a throwing team. They were a running team, and they had a great defense. I mean, Ben was different. Ben's. Ben's a unique quarterback there, but it's still. They were running the football, playing great defense, and then Ben would come up with a couple of big plays. But you got to win playoff games, not just get to the playoffs. And especially with a window that. That's wide open, that 2016. I mean, that goes back to the coach. Remember, they were going to change the. What the gm. Oh, we got to change. Or we got to change the offensive coordinator and. Okay, Matt Canada. Okay, you changed it. Arthur Smith. Okay. Nothing's really changed here. And I think that's where you have to start looking at this and make a hard decision. And that is, if you move on, who are you getting that's going to be better than Mike Thomas? As Penn State found out, you can move on. Who's going to be better or as good? Yes. Marvin. And I feel like the Pittsburgh fan.

B (9:13)

Base is probably telling the national media we've been saying this for about four or five years, but they haven't been. The Steelers haven't been bad enough for.

A (9:19)

Us to pay attention to Mike Thomas job security. Yeah. And you're right. And there is that local narrative, and it's different from the national one because it's like, everybody's like, man, I want to play for him, man. He's a great. He's a leader of men. He's. He's all this. He might be all of those things, but he's not a coach who's going to win in the playoffs, and he hasn't. And he probably won't this year either. Yeah, Paul.

D (9:42)

And if you go back the past five years in the draft for the Steelers, 2018, James Washington, wide receiver, didn't work out. Deontay Johnson, the next year, didn't work out. Chase Claypool, complete bust, second round. George Pickens, no longer on the team, now a star for another team. They didn't get max value for him. That's all. Those are a bunch of whiffs at the receiver position in a row.

A (10:03)

But we've also been told Mike Tomlin is involved in the draft. So it's not one of those where he doesn't have any say. It's not like he's, you know, Dallas Cowboy head coach, you know, where. Hey, who are we taking? We'll let you know. Mike Tomlin, you know, has been, has been widely reported involved in those drafts. Andrew in Vegas. Good morning, Andrew. What's on your mind today?

E (10:25)

Good morning, D.P. first off, thank you for toughing it out today. I'm well aware it's still Lane Kiffin season, but I'd like to put Michigan as a contender for the best basketball state with Michigan dominating Michigan State, undefeated and the Pistons as well.

A (10:45)

Okay, we didn't ask that question yet, but we did the best for football state. We were factoring in college and pro. The best basketball state. I have to give that some thought. But maybe in February we do that. But Michigan, Michigan State, and of course, my Pistons playing well. But thank you, Andrew. Thank you.

A (11:07)

Let's see. Steven, Pittsburgh. Hi, Steve. What's on your mind?

E (11:12)

First time 59190.

A (11:18)

Yes.

E (11:18)

So the way we look at it in Pittsburgh is that he essentially that's inherited a Hall of Fame quarterback, inherited a locker room that was built to win Super Bowls, and that's how he won in the beginning. In fact, he had the triple Bs and could do nothing with them. And you could just see when he drafted Kenny Pickett is no idea what he's doing on the offensive side.

A (11:43)

All right. Yeah. Once again, as Marvin pointed out, the local conversation about talent has been this way for the last couple of years. Nationally, I don't think you find too many analysts or shows that are going to come after Mike Tomlin. Sunday night, the pressure is on CJ Stroud and the Texans. They face Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs. Which team will rise to the occasion? Sunday, 7 Eastern, NBC. And Peacock, Nick and Irvine. Hi, Nick. Welcome back.

E (12:15)

Dan. Always an honor to talk to a Hall of Famer. I remember regularly calling and talking to Chick Hearn after Laker games all the way through the 90s and definitely put you in that category, bro. I buried chicken. I'll bury you. But I'll definitely be raising a pint to you if that ever does happen. Listen, bro.

A (12:36)

Easy there, Nick. That turned dark quickly.

E (12:40)

Not dark, dude. That's Irish happy right there. Hey, listen.

E (12:46)

You know what I'm saying? Listen, you know, we're living through this revolution. I mean, it's amazing, you know, like we learn about the American Revolution, the communist revolution, the sexual revolution, whatever, and. But the Actual content to see it happening. Dan, we remember when there were three teams at the end of a college football season undefeated, and we want to see him play many times two teams. And you tell a teenager or a high school football player about this and you're like, are you kidding me? Now we got all these teams playing each other. We got the ncaa, who's kick to the curb, to say the least. We got professional. We got $30 million payrolls, and it's going to triple in the next two years. We got, I mean, what a revolution is and what it results in are questions that you could not have even fathomed, you know, five years ago. And now we need immediate action. And so you have people doing the wrong thing. You have people acting unilaterally on a college by college basis. It's just, it's, it's, it's a revolution and it's exciting and it's better than it was. But we need something to happen and it needs to be on a more unified basis, you know?

A (13:56)

Yeah. I don't know if it's going to happen anytime soon, Nick. And thank you. Thank you. I'll toast a pint to you when you go as well. But yeah, you start to look at the chaos here, and if I'm college football, you're like, okay, all right. It's not perfect, but we love. You know, when you had the playoffs where it was one versus two, and then we went to four, I mean, they were, there was always conversation and I think they like that you were talking about their product. Now all of a sudden you're invested in BYU. Oh, my God, their coach turned down Penn State. BYU's got Texas Tech. Texas Tech may have a Heisman candidate linebacker. You know, it's interesting.

A (14:37)

But that's what you want in today's sports society. Is anybody talking about our sport? Yeah, Marvin. Yeah.

E (14:44)

And I think if you're in any.

B (14:45)

Power 4 or Power 5 conference, you're.

A (14:47)

Going to say to a recruit, a.

B (14:49)

We have a chance to win the national title and get into the playoffs where 20 years ago there was no shot of BYU touching the BCS bowl games.

A (14:58)

Yeah. I mean, the fact that Texas Tech went out and spent money and they have a really good team and they going to be in the playoffs. It's great. Indiana, in my wildest imagination, I never thought we'd be talking about Indiana as a team that could win the national title in football. They just didn't. Or a player who's going to win the Heisman or be up there for the Heisman. Just didn't think it could happen. But these things are happening in real time in a span of a year or two years. It's not like we built this program. This is a quick fix. Yes, Seaton.

C (15:32)

But part of that is what drives me nuts, though, is that, like, I think a story like Indiana is awesome, but it's also sort of begrudgingly happen because maybe the selection committee, like, we can't keep them out. You have to put them in because they won. You know, they won their way in. But not everybody is going to have that opportunity to do that. There's still that element of. It's sort of that gymnastics thing that.

A (15:55)

I was talking about before.

C (15:56)

You're still getting judged. It's not just wins and losses. You don't just win your way in. You have to do the WWE part of it, too. Of like, yeah, but we got to do it the right way.

A (16:06)

Right. I hate that inexact science.

C (16:09)

There's no science at all. It's. It's judge. It's judgment and artistry rather than just data.

A (16:16)

Well, you have wins and losses for the data, but then there's also the eye test as well, for members of the committee. Yes, Paulie.

D (16:24)

And it's funny that college football is a debated sport, and it's all about opinion and what you're doing now. And the most debated sport in our country is the NFL, and the NFL is just math. Like, the Patriots are 11 and 2. Your opinion of the Patriots doesn't matter. They can get home field advantage and you can't decide to get them out of. It matter if you think that the Bills are better. There's no debate, really, in pro football is like, when they do power rankings, those are kind of meaningless.

A (16:50)

Yes. I mean, they do fill up time.

D (16:52)

Yes.

A (16:52)

But, like, the Bears have the best record in the nfc. Okay. I'm not saying they're the best team, but. But they played well enough. You know when they say, well, I haven't played anybody. The good teams beat the teams they're supposed to beat, and the Bears have been able to do that. It's not like the Bears go, hey, Commissioner, can we talk to you? We want to make up our schedule here. So it doesn't work that way. Yes. But, yeah, that.

B (17:20)

It's.

C (17:20)

They're sort of meaningless, I guess, in that power rankings don't equate playoff seeds, so they don't usually line up. So that is sort of the debatable fun part. Like, the Rams right now are like, the best team in the league, even though they're actually not, but they're playing like they are. So for that example. But in college football, they'll actually take that and use it as the. And that's why this team is in. And that's garbage.

A (17:42)

Yeah, the open to interpretation college football.

C (17:46)

Is all power rankings.

A (17:49)

Yeah. But you know, when Chris Fowler said, you know, it's not about the brand, like I disagree with him. I think there are certain programs, certainly Notre Dame, that the brand is. Is omnipresent. And whether you like them or not, you will watch them. It's like Duke, whether you like them or not, you will watch them. The Cowboys, whether you like them or not, you're going to watch them. And I think that factors in and maybe it's subconsciously, but it just feels like Notre Dame is a really good team and they did have the home loss that cost them a Texas A and M. And they open up the season. You know, they played Miami on the road and played them. You know, they went toe to toe with them. But yeah, we're always going to have these debates and if we go to 16 teams, we'll continue to have these debates. Yeah.

D (18:38)

Paul, I really don't want the sports to look like each other. Like the NFL is like an antiseptic Applebee's with the same menu. And you know what you're going to get when you walk in college football is the dive bar with the pool table and stuff all over the place and wires hanging down and shady stuff happening in the bathroom that's not up to code. And seriously, that's what college football feels like. The CD version of the NFL and it's great.

A (19:03)

Yes.

B (19:03)

Todd, do we believe in Chris? Paul referred to truth CRM, and we've used that before in these selection committee rooms. Is it possible that they're looking at paperwork that's trying to figure out. Let's exhaust every possible way to try to figure out how to get Notre Dame, for example, and make more of an effort for one school over another.

A (19:21)

Does that. Do you think that exists on any level? No, No, I don't think it's. Oh, my gosh. Hey, Tommy, did you come up with a reason to get Notre Dame in? Sarah, what about you? Hey, Skippy, I don't think it's that. I think it's more of just you look at them and you go, okay, can we make an argument for them? Either can or you can't because, you know, you still have to have the numbers are there. Like BYU has a better resume than Notre Dame. And if BYU beats Texas Tech, they certainly, you know, will be involved in the playoffs. If they don't win, then they're not going to be in. So as much as and Notre Dame is really the outlier. Like how many other schools I'd love to have USC in but their resume doesn't match up. Alabama, Georgia, they're going to be in. Ohio State's going to be in. So I think that there's always those schools. I mean, nobody's clamoring, you know, for somebody out of the ACC or it's going to be, you know, an injustice if somebody, if ACC doesn't have a team in the, in the playoffs. Yes.

B (20:27)

Todd what if Notre Dame was called South Bend States? The only reason I say is again, we get caught up in brands and names over the years, the Alabamas and Georgia's and Ohio State and Michigan, but.

A (20:35)

They'Re not called South Bend State. And if they were called South Bend State, then they would have had the history of being great and we wouldn't, you know, go, oh, South Bend State. They don't sound like a big name brand. They'd already be a brand.

B (20:50)

But I think that history causes some people maybe to think one way or another, if you're totally on the fence one way or another, where it's down to the wire, Notre Dame and Miami or whatever that like there's something about the name of one school over another.

A (21:01)

That could, you know, influence you a little bit. That's why I said subconsciously that could happen. But I don't think they're going out of their way to devise a plan. You still have to answer to the critics with this. We'll take a break.

C (21:14)

The sexy name Ohio State, you would choose over South Bend State be like, ah, yeah, see how are we gonna.

A (21:24)

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B (26:28)

Yeah, I think it really does. This feels like playoff football already. I mean you think of how hot the Cowboys are right now, winning three in a row. Opportunity for them to really fight themselves back into this playoff picture. And then for the Lions it's man, a season ago how dominant they were, you know, felt like it was going to be a repeat this year. It's not been the consistency they've been used to. They've been banged up here recently now without Sam LaPorta and possibly I'm on St. Brown for a little bit. Man, this is going to be a challenge because obviously what Aman meant to them and everything he is to them. Who who Dan Campbell's got his hands full now as the play caller because this is the guy who did everything for this offense and you've got to do it against a team that's hot and a team that's looking to get themselves back in contention has a whole lot of belief that they are a playoff football team.

A (27:14)

And I don't know if it's this simple, Andrew, that I said at the beginning of the year, and even when they made the trade with Michael Parsons, just have an average defense because you have a better than average offense, and if you do that, you can be a playoff team. But is it that simple that they now have an average, better than average defense to go along with that offense? That's why they're so dangerous.

B (27:36)

Yeah, I mean, you look at it. I mean, I think it's one of those things. I'm sure Jerry's walking around kind of beating his chest right now as we all criticize the trade. We all, like, you know, everyone had their opinion of it, and now all of a sudden, you start to look at how they've been successful in defense the last few weeks. You know, they. They've increased the interior. You look at Quinn and Williams, you look at Kenny Clark, you look at these guys, how they've played. They're kind of starting to play with these 3D, 3D tackle looks and starting to kind of do something different, which give credit to eber flus of kind of creating a package to use all those guys. And they've been able to slow down, run games, be more efficient getting after the quarterback and effective. You know that in that regard. And so, man, it's starting to show, like, all right, if we could slow people down, at least not let them run the football on us, give ourselves an opportunity to get the football back to our offense and then play well on offense, we can win. And that's really. It wasn't like they were perfect into Chiefs. They still gave up points and yards, but they found a way to win in those moments and give Dak one more chance. And they've got some absolute aliens on the outside right now playing receiver. And this is kind of like, to me, the best the Cowboys have looked in recent years. And it looks like they are built to go make a run right here.

A (28:45)

Would you rather block Micah? Well, rather block. Who would you want to avoid? Micah, Parsons or Quinn and Williams?

B (28:54)

I would say I'd always rather have the big boys. I mean, the big boys is. Is. There's at least a lot of. What's the most appropriate way I can say this? There's a lot of body to. To get your hands on, let's put it that way. All right, so I. I like more mass that I can get a hold of if that makes I. The little guys. Micah, in that sense, his height, his speed, his agility, Getting your hands on those guys was always the Hardest part is just finding a way to get in front of them. So at least with Quinn, and it might be a physical battle and he might win a couple of those, but you weren't going to have any problem getting your hands on him. So I always like, I prefer to get my hands, you know, in the mud a little bit, just get after it. So any guy that I could fight and wrestle with, I much preferred.

A (29:34)

Would you rather have, if you have to pick now, would you rather have a smart quarterback or a tough quarterback?

B (29:41)

Oh, man, that's a good one. I'm gonna probably say, since that you could possibly enter the. The category of having a really good coordinator. I'd rather have a tough quarterback because I feel like maybe there's some of those things we can handle from a coaching standpoint, but when they're tough and they're going to survive down to down, they're going to play with physicality, they're going to extend plays, there's a self belief, I think, in, in that starts to be created around them. And in that huddle, you know, when I start to think of the great ones I played with, whether it be Carson Palmer or Matthew Stafford and some of those guys in, in Jared Goff, I start to think of how tough they were. Right. And like, people talk about affecting the quarterback. I mean, I never heard those guys ever complain, you know, whine or, or even put emphasis on anything other than being at their best and their best is required and finding a way to respond. Those were guys you'd never hear. Matthew Stafford, always call him John Wayne, but he's like the baddest cowboy in the huddle. Everybody in that huddle wants to be as tough as that dude every single snap. And so you're living to try and live up to, man, I want to be tough enough that Matthew Stafford thinks I'm tough because that's the kind of dude he is.

A (30:49)

Okay, but what do you think when you hear Jackson dart that, hey, this isn't soccer and I'm going to be running and I'm going to continue to play this way. Is he being smart? Love it and see be it. You're okay with your quarterback doing that?

B (31:04)

I'm okay with what I think is going to naturally happen. We, look, we saw it with Josh Allen. We've seen it with other guys that love to get into that mix a.

A (31:10)

Little bit coming out of concussion protocol. I mean, I can't.

B (31:15)

I agree.

A (31:16)

Extra hits. Yeah.

B (31:18)

But here's the thing. We can't. If we want to get in the ring and swing with heavyweights, we can't control whether we're going to get punched in the head. I mean, that's just the reality. So we're playing NFL football. You're going to take some shots, you want to extend plays, you're going to take some shots. Here's what he's gonna have to do. He's got to find ways that, hey, like on the sideline there, all right, those are downs. Get out of bounds. Those are downs. Like as he plays and realizes. Because I think sometimes we talk about this in coverage, right? Young guys coming in and figuring out, man, those guys DBs at the NFL level, they can break on a football. Oh, man, I can't throw it as a tighter windows as I used to could. It's not any different out in space. He's learning the speed and the violence of the game and saying, all right, oh, you know what? I bet he flipped over sideways the other night and said, you know what, next time ought to get out of bounds a little faster or, you know, that's the reality.

A (32:01)

So I don't think.

B (32:02)

I love. I love the mentality. You gotta have it. I mean, that's just. You look at the league right now, you gotta have it. How many true sit in the pocket quarterbacks do we have that. That exist and it's just not true. You gotta extend plays. You gotta be tough. Baxter Ohms is one of the toughest dudes on the planet. So is Josh Allen. I mean, these dudes run and extend plays and they've got to live in that world. But he's got to learn how to be smarter about it and he's got to get creative. And when do I do it? When do I not. When do I make sure I take care of my football team? But I also think that Dan, we have to give him credit. What. Who's he playing with right now? Like, does he have a bunch of weapons that he can get rid of the football and extend game plays to and get down the football field too? No, he doesn't. So some of that he feels like, man, if I don't do it, I don't know where to go with the football. You know, I think it'd be. I think I'd rather assess him a year from now when you see them add some weapons, is he still doing some of that stuff or is he realizing, man, maybe it's better to give those guys opportunities in these situations.

A (32:54)

Yeah, I need 25% less John Wayne with him that. Yeah, I like that, Mike. Is that John Wayne light? Okay. Is that okay?

B (33:04)

Yeah, yeah, that's okay. Hey, look at. Stafford's a great. He's a magician at it nowadays, you know, hey, listen, Matthew's, that ball's coming out. If somebody's unblocked, you know, he's out running in space. He's, he's dirt in that thing. We know that. He's smart that way, right? He's lived through it. I mean, that guy, if anybody's played through it and knows. So I just think it's something that we don't give them credit enough. These quarterbacks, they've got to go through that process too and learn how do I stay on the football field. And I think that's the conversation. We need you on the football field because I think Jackson Dart is going to be a really good football player.

A (33:34)

Andrew Whitworth, Amazon prime football analyst. Coming up tomorrow night, Cowboys and the Lions. Pregame coverage starts at 7 Eastern. Also, a Louisiana State alum. Your reaction to getting Lane Kiffin as your coach?

B (33:50)

Oh, man, you know, it's. It's one of those, you hate the college football system, you're mad about all that type stuff at the same time. I mean, I'd be lying if I wasn't saying, as an LSU Tiger, I'm excited that we have a coach that I think is going to help us be successful. But you know, Dan, I think it's tough too, because if it wasn't for the calendar, it wasn't for the timing. You know, it's more leaving your team when it's happening and what that's going to do to impact the kids, that Ole Miss and what they had in front of them. Because the idea that you hear of, like, oh man, you promised these kids this or you built this and you're leaving it. Like, that's happened since I was in college. I mean, people forget Nick Saban. I was going to Florida with Steve Spurrier. Nick Saban gets hired as the LSU coach. He comes in and sells me that LSU is not a four year decision, it's a 40 year decision. You decide to stay in state, go to lsu. We're going to do great things. It's going to affect your whole life. Well, hey, three years later we've won a national championship. That's awesome. Four years later, he's gone. He took a big check and he's going to the Miami Dolphins. So did he lie to all the kids that came there and hey, we're going to be built? No, I mean, that's the Reality is, coaches have always done this and it's always been a part of it. It's just now, because of the calendar, we've ended this portal system in nil, and now players are doing it and we've entered this world now where that whole system needs to be reset when it happens and why it happens and all of that. And that's more the issue to me. And unfortunately, I think it's put Lane in a really tough position. I can say this. I can both be excited that LSU got Lane Kiffin to be their head coach and say that if I was in that position, I don't think I. I could have done it. I don't think I could have left the kids in that moment to not finish that season. I think I would have just waited and seen what other opportunities are out there for me. That's me personally, but that's my personal decision. And Lane Kiffin needed to make his own.

A (35:40)

I have told this story before. There was a kid who was. And his dad, they were meeting with a college coach at a big university and it was a Sunday and they were meeting with him and they wanted to know, hey, are the rumors true that you might be, you know, looking at a job in the NFL? And he goes, nope, I'm going to be here. So the kid signs, next day, coach goes to the NFL.

A (36:05)

Like, come on.

B (36:06)

Yeah, I'll give you an example, Dan. Last year, Bryce Underwood, I was at LSU when he was there on his. He was down there for the game, literally. Conversations with him, his family, everything. Like, hey, only place his kids ever want to play lsu. This is where he's going to go to school. This is where, like, this is everything to us. The next week is when the whole entire Michigan news came out, the check everything. And I'm going, I just looked this kid in the eyes the other like six days ago, and he told me that I would never want to play anywhere else other than be an LSU tiger. Like some up. And that's not a bash on him. It's just that is the reality. As soon as somebody else comes in big money, it's hard to tell these people to turn that kind of stuff down. It's life, life changing money. And people need to make their own decisions. And that's my point. Lane Kiffin made the best of decision for him and his family. Who am I to judge that? But I would say that if I was in that position, I do think it'd be hard for me to leave my football team. I don't think I want to do it.

A (37:01)

And I this since retired coach that when Nil came out and he says, oh, who's going to sign lineman? They're just going to give them like pizza. And I go, linemen are going to make big money because that's where you win in college football. Your offense and defensive line. I mean, look at Georgia. You win in the trenches.

B (37:20)

Yep.

A (37:21)

And I mean, certainly in the NFL. But I thought, how naive to think you're not going to spend money on your edge rusher or your offensive lineman just like you do in the NFL. But I mean, what's the biggest.

A (37:35)

Payout that you've heard for an offensive lineman in college football?

B (37:39)

I don't. I don't know. I don't follow a lot of NL stuff, but I think it is going to continue to be something, to be huge. We've seen it in the NFL, right? We've seen these teams that think, hey, you can try to go the skill route and not invest in that, that position as much. And you just don't see winning happening. The teams that have good offensive lines and defensive lines that want to win up front are the teams we're talking about at the end of the year. Every single year. You look at some of the best teams in NFL. This season, again, it's all teams, or that's where they learn to win in the trenches. And then the other pieces obviously are massive. Having a quarterback, having skilled players in both sides of the football, all those things are massive. But if you don't have the foundation of what creates football success, you're living in a pretty temporary building in the sense that at any point it can be cut out from underneath you. And look, this Detroit team that's playing tomorrow night's a great example of that. You look at how good they were up front, how dominant they were last season, you lose Zeitler, you replace your interior, Frank Ragnow retires. You got all new guys up there. The young guy, Rutledge, is playing good, but he's not a veteran yet, right. And then the other guys have been banged up and not as played as well. The interior pressure on Jared Goff has been totally different this year. He's been getting hit more like it changes your football team. But they still have all those other guys, Jameer Gibbs and Jameson Williams and all the talents all out there. But when you start to change that group up front, it changes your football team.

A (39:03)

If the Cowboys get into the playoffs, what is the ceiling.

B (39:10)

As good as their defense can play? I think that, I think we're still.

A (39:15)

Can they win a Super Bowl?

B (39:18)

Here's what I would say about this season. Dan Patrick. I think we have seen throughout the year. I don't know if there's a team that's unbeatable. I think Carolina beating at LA last week shows us that. I think the parody is it truly, as we use that word all the time, we say it, but look, week to week, I mean, there's not a team that you go, man, you know, if I go the Denver Broncos, great defense, Bo Nicks and the offense have left me, like wanting a lot more for a lot of weeks. You know, I go to the Patriots, man, maybe they're for real. I mean, Drake, may you look at them. But then I go back and I go, wait, didn't they get beat by the Raiders and the Steelers this year? Like, it's teams where you go, man, this team's unbeatable, but whoa, they lost to who? And so it's tons of that this year. I don't think there's a team that you sit there and go, man, this team, without questions, making a run. I think we're going to see who's hot and who's healthy and that that team has got a chance to go win a Super bowl this year. Because if you look at Dallas, what do teams love to do right now? I mean, you play man to man this game matchup against Detroit and you're going to try to who's got George Pickens and CD Lamb? Which one do you want to cover? And teams are having to do that. That's one of the things that they're doing really well. They're splitting them up and they're saying, which guy do you want to lean to? We got the quarterback. People forget how good Dak Prescott is, and we'll go to whichever guy you don't lean to and we can win. And so I think, to me, how good can the defense be? How healthy can they be? That gives their ceiling because they got an opportunity to go score with anybody in the NFL. And right now, if you look at offensive football, I mean, there's a lot of teams, even the good ones, that have seemed to really struggle with being consistent on offense.

A (40:48)

I think Brian Kelly's accent is better than yours.

B (40:53)

There's, there's no question. That was probably the first moment that everybody should have been like, whoa. So, you know, I, I, I get it. If I go down there, Ryan Fitzpatrick always gives me crap. As soon as I go down there to a game or I go visit we have a Saints game, we come back and he's like, wait, what happened to you? And I'm like, dude, it just, it comes out, I get back around it. I have a, you know, I have a couple fried shrimp and get some rum a lot and then some etouffee and it just starts, man, it just starts, it starts folding out there.

A (41:27)

Great to talk to you again. Thank you, buddy.

B (41:29)

Appreciate it, brother.

A (41:31)

Andrew Whitworth, he'll be on the call the pregame festivities for Amazon Prime. Yeah, I was waiting for the accent, but there's certain places where you go back to and all of a sudden it gets a little thicker, like somebody will go back to Brooklyn or go to Long Island, Texas, certain parts of, you know, the South.

C (41:50)

Yeah, see, yeah, I, I spend a little time in New Jersey that my coffee starts tasting a little more like coffee, you know, it comes back. It does.

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A (44:58)

Final results of the poll question. Seaton.

C (45:01)

Yep, we got a few of them up there. Let's see if you were part of the college football committee playoff committee, which rationale would be most important? Team's resume has 80% of that vote. A team good for ratings has just over 3%. That's not doing very well. And are you comfortable with the current College football ranking system? 73% hard? No, absolutely not.

A (45:26)

And Todd thinks that because Notre Dame is called Notre Dame they might get special treatment if they were known as South Bend University or South Bend State. They probably wouldn't.

B (45:36)

And not just Notre Dame. Just I do believe that's in the back of mind certain brands of schools over the years that have had some kind of a success over many years.

A (45:44)

Yeah. You have to have this success.

A (45:48)

Yeah. But then we have the name with success. Right? You can't go, man, they got a great name. They're just not any good.

B (45:55)

No, I meant it more of a brand and tradition. So maybe I misspoke a little bit, the name Notre Dame, but they shouldn't factor that in.

A (46:02)

But I think they do a little bit. How about this day in sports history?

D (46:05)

Paul, I got a bunch for you. Dan 1950. Tom fears of the LA Rams caught 18 passes against the Packers. That record stood until December of 2000 when Terrell Owens broke it with 20 catches. Of course, against the Bears. George Blanda. 1961, kicked a 55 yard field goal record. At the time, the Rules Committee in 1968 of Major League Baseball lowered the pitching mound. And I didn't know this one. They changed the strike zone from knees to shoulders to top of the knees to the armpits. Armpits, armpits. In a press release. Yep.

A (46:38)

Yeah. The pitcher's mound went from 15 inches to 10 inches.

D (46:43)

15 to 10.

A (46:44)

Yeah. And that's when you know, Bob Gibson had that unbelievable seat. 1968. Pitching stats were crazy. Danny McLean wins 30. Gibson. Bob Gibson's one of the more underrated pitchers of all time. Golly, man, he was on the mound. It was a big game and he was winning those big games. Barry Sanders in 1988. I'm interviewing Barry Sanders. He won the Heisman Trophy and Wilt Chamberlain made his debut at Kansas. I didn't get to talk about the Kansas jerseys, Paulie, that you were apoplectic about.

D (47:17)

So I'm watching the game last night. It's a really good game. And the Kansas jerseys look like. I don't want to describe it because I want to slight them. Good program, great fan base. They don't look like Kansas jerseys. The classic script of Danny Manning and Milton Newton and those guys, which was great and very unique. Now it kind of looks like. Like a font of a toy store or something like that. It's just very off putting. Marvin's. You're looking at this, right?

A (47:43)

I am.

B (47:44)

The Connecticut jerseys look great.

A (47:45)

It looks like. Yeah. And they won too.

D (47:48)

The logo, the Kansas font for their word Kansas looks like Golden Corral or some type of.

B (47:53)

Oh, yeah.

D (47:56)

No one's making that comp today like Sonic.

A (47:58)

No, they're not.

D (47:59)

Yeah.

A (48:00)

By the way, the Clippers are the only NBA team without a retired jersey.

A (48:07)

And that says a lot of.

A (48:12)

Says a lot about the franchise. But now they don't have a retired jersey. And Chris Paul gets kicked to the curb on the road by the Clippers.

A (48:24)

Didn't they trade Blake Griffin right after he signed a big deal, sent him to Detroit? Yeah, man. Yeah.

D (48:31)

Paulie, by the way, you're Barry Sanders Note hit the year he won the Heisman, he ran for 2,628 yards in 11 games. He averaged 240 yards a game average.

A (48:42)

I do believe he could have. He could have rushed for 3,000 yards that year. I really do.

A (48:48)

He made it look so easy. Let's go around the room, see if we learn anything on the program. Todd, did you learn anything today?

B (48:55)

I did, actually. Andrew Whitworth prefers to go up against someone with more mass to grab onto. So he'd rather block Quinn and Williams than Micah Parsons.

C (49:01)

Lessons.

A (49:01)

Seaton, how about you? Back from vacation? What'd you learn today?

C (49:05)

Feels like an admission of holding right there.

B (49:07)

It does?

C (49:09)

Yeah. I like the big guys because I can hold them better.

A (49:11)

That's what I love. Marvin, you think Chris Fowler is tough?

A (49:19)

Among other things. Paul, what'd you learn?

D (49:21)

I made to talk to a professional about my uniform issues.

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