Hour 3 – NFL Black Monday Extended, Jesse Palmer

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show — Hour 3: NFL Black Monday Extended, Jesse Palmer

Date: January 8, 2026
Podcast Host: Dan Patrick (w/ Danettes)
Notable Guest: Jesse Palmer, ESPN CFB Analyst & TV Personality

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Overview

This episode of The Dan Patrick Show dives into the ongoing chaos of NFL coaching changes (the extended "Black Monday") and the evolving landscape of college football playoffs. Dan and the Danettes dissect the latest firings, speculate on future openings, and reflect on coaching candidates. Special guest Jesse Palmer joins to offer insights on the new parity in college football, the influence of NIL/transfer portal, and to preview key bowl matchups. The episode also mixes in trademark banter, listener calls, lighthearted pet psychic talk, and even a discussion about hair products in football.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. NFL Coaching Carousel: The New "Black Monday"

00:00–07:38

• Coaching Turnover:
  • Now up to 8 head coaching vacancies, 1/4 of the NFL. Dan notes surprise at the high number.
  • Expected 5–6 firings; now at 8, with a potential for more. (04:11)
• Noteworthy Moves:
  • Miami Dolphins fire Mike McDaniel.
  • Speculation on possible further changes (e.g., Tampa Bay, Buffalo).
  • John Harbaugh rumors: “If you’re John Harbaugh… that's 18 years. You pick where you want to go… you need to win now. He's not in for a rebuild.” (04:41)
• Coach Evaluation Logic:
  • How do owners judge a coach — by the start of the season or by how teams finish strong?
  • Dan likens it to “high stakes poker… This is Texas Hold ’em or fold ’em with some of these owners.” (03:20)

Notable Quote

“How about Black Week? Or is it Gray Monday? …it’s not really Black Monday anymore, if you’re going to get fired on Thursday.”
— Todd & Dan, riffing on the traditional ‘Black Monday’ as coaching firings leak into the week (07:09)

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2. Sports Versus Academia: The Ryan Fitzpatrick Dilemma

01:16–02:04

• Poll Question: Would you rather your kid go to Harvard or the NFL right now?
• Dan: “If my kid is only going to be three years and done [in the NFL], I’d say Harvard. Harvard’s a lifetime.” (01:39–01:55)
• Todd jokes about alternative paths: “You could be a GM, don’t have to worry about concussions.” (01:59)

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3. Pet Psychic Banter

08:31–15:09

• Dan shares he’s scheduled a Zoom call with a pet psychic as a Christmas gift (regarding his dog Winnie and daughter’s cat Kevin).
• Amusing speculation and playful skepticism from the Danettes.
• Todd: “If the psychic is so good, shouldn’t they have reached out to you knowing you needed help?” (10:19)

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4. Listener Call: Belief in Pet Psychics

30:44–33:52

• Listener Sue describes her own positive experience and encourages Dan to approach the psychic with questions:
  “Just like each of you have talents... being a pet psychic is a gift, don’t discount it.” (31:49–32:46)
• Dan reveals that Winnie was found in a garbage dump in Tennessee; remains open-minded about the experience.

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5. Guest Interview: Jesse Palmer

16:30–29:31 (Segment begins 16:30)

a. Hair in Football

• Promo tie-in: Great Clips campaign with Kirk Cousins.
• Palmer: “Put hair product in before a game… worst thing ever is be dropping back on 3rd-and-15… and you’ve got pomade in your eye.” (18:02)

b. New Parity in College Football

• Surprising Playoff: Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Clemson all OUT of the College Football Playoff for the first time.
• Palmer: “What’s happening now in college football... this is the new normal moving forward… NIL and the portal have changed everything.” (18:51–19:45)
• NIL/Portal Impact: “Teams no longer can stockpile talent… If you’re not on the field early, you’re out, you’re in the portal, and you're getting paid more to play somewhere else.” (19:45)

c. Playoff Game Previews

• Ole Miss vs Miami

  • Dan (21:05): “I misjudged Miami. I didn’t think they could be as physical as they were.”
  • Palmer: “Miami could win the whole thing... Their D-line is ruthless. 12 sacks in two playoff games… Ole Miss better be able to run the ball or it could be a long day.” (21:05–22:10)

• Indiana vs Oregon Rematch

  • Oregon “got in trouble in the first match because they couldn’t run the ball. Indiana is elite at stopping the run… If Oregon can’t run it, I don’t think they can win.” (22:15–23:18)

d. The Exotic Pass Rush

• About working w/ Kirk Cousins: “Had a deep conversation about the future of pass rush in football... it's the 'exotic radar' look.” (23:41–25:21)
• Palmer’s NFL memory: “I literally dropped back 20 times clueless of what was happening. That was a game I'll never forget.” (25:33)

e. Quarterback Prospects

• Dan: “Not sure if these are great prospects or just good. Can you handicap [the top QBs]?”
• Palmer: “It’s not a sure thing… don't see a clear, no-doubt first overall pick among these QBs.” (27:36–29:22)

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6. Lighthearted Segment: Hair Loss & Male Vanity

29:51–30:38

• Danettes joke about “preventative care,” “slow retreat” of receding hairlines.
• “Paul, you just have to hope for a slow retreat.” — Seaton (30:35)

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7. Travis Kelce Retirement Considerations

34:49–35:11

• Audio clip of Kelce weighing retirement: “If my body can heal up… I think I’d do it [return] in a heartbeat. It’s just finding the answer.” (34:49)
• Dan: “The first question I’d have if I’m Travis Kelce is not ‘Can my body hold up,’ it’s ‘How is Patrick Mahomes’ body?’” (35:11)

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8. Rapid Fire: Headlines, Stand-Up, Calls

36:57–41:01

• Todd tries out potential headlines for the Miami-Ole Miss game (“Yes They ‘Canes’,” “Super Mario”, “Rebels Without Claus”, etc.). (36:57–37:36)
• Discussion about doing stand-up during Super Bowl week in San Francisco. Todd is hesitant but noncommittal. (38:02)
• “I have my Todd translator here … Handily means absolutely not.” — Paulie (39:17)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Dan on NFL coaching chaos:
  “The stakes—this is high stakes poker. This is Texas hold ’em or fold ’em with some of these owners.” (03:20)

• Todd on the shifting firing window:
  “Haven’t even gotten to Black Thursday yet. What is Black Monday at this point?” (07:09)

• Listener Sue, on pet psychics:
  “Don’t discount it. It’s a gift — just like you guys have talents… you should go in open-minded.” (31:49–32:46)

• Jesse Palmer on college football’s future:
  “I think it’s the norm … Teams simply aren’t as deep anymore. If you’re not playing early, you’re out. There’s more parity.” (19:45)

• Palmer on defending against "exotic radar" looks:
  “I literally dropped back 20 times clueless of what was happening. … That was a game I’ll never forget.” (25:33)

• Dan on veteran retirement logic:
  “Nobody wants to go out the way Travis Kelce went out. … Only Elway [retired on top], but Elway really didn’t have a choice.” (35:11)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00–04:11 — NFL coaching vacancies, firings, and predictions
• 08:31–15:09 — Dan’s upcoming pet psychic Zoom call, team skepticism/comedic takes
• 16:30–29:31 — Jesse Palmer interview (hair, CFB playoff, QB prospects, exotic defenses)
• 30:44–33:52 — Call-in: Listener Sue encourages open mind on pet psychic
• 34:49–35:11 — Travis Kelce retirement discussion
• 36:57–37:36 — Todd’s headline ideas for Miami-Ole Miss
• 38:02–39:17 — Possible Danette stand-up during Super Bowl week

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Tone & Style

True to Dan Patrick Show form — witty, easygoing, sports-centric and willing to detour into pop culture and personal stories. Banter mixes with serious sports analysis, with frequent asides and self-deprecating humor.

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Summary for New Listeners

• If you missed it: This episode is a masterclass in sports-radio variety. You get the latest inside dish on NFL job openings, a deep-dive into how college football is being upended by new transfer and NIL rules, and game previews with a dose of hair product and pet psychic chatter. Jesse Palmer comes in hot with college football takes and insider fun, while the crew’s banter, playful skepticism, and willingness to take calls (including a heartwarming one about animal psychics) round out the hour.
• Don’t miss: Jesse Palmer describing the “exotic radar” pass rush and the listener call about the power of pet psychics (16:30, 30:44).
• Quintessential moment: The crew debating just how much “luster” Black Monday has left as firings drag out all week (07:09), plus a classic Palmer story about a rookie NFL awakening.

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Transcript

[A]

This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human. You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. We now have eight job openings. 25% of the NFL needs a new head coach. Where are they coming from? Welcome to the final hour in this Thursday Dan and the Danette's Dan Patrick Show. Good morning. If you're watching on Peacock, thank you for downloading the app to watch the program and our radio affiliates numbering over 400 cities that carry the program Stat of the day brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the Dan Patrick show Sunday night, Justin Herbert and the battle tested Chargers against Drake May and the AFC champion AFC east champion Patriots. Only one team will be left standing. This is Wild card weekend Sunday, 7:30 Eastern on NBC. And Peacock, that is a great matchup though. Jesse Palmer will join us coming up in a little bit. We'll talk about tonight's game, Ole Miss Miami in the Fiesta bowl and then tomorrow night, the rematch between Indiana and Oregon. Seaton poll question for the final hour of the program. Mike McDaniel has been fired by the Miami Dolphins.

[B]

Which team got better yesterday? The Atlanta Hawks have 55% of that vote as opposed to the Washington Wizards. And Paul submitted our annual Ryan Fitzgerald Patrick poll question. Would you rather your kid go to Harvard or the NFL right now? Results pending.

[A]

Or you could be Ryan Fitzpatrick and you could do both.

[B]

You could do both.

[A]

It's too vague. I mean, is my kid any good? Is he going to be three years in the NFL? I'd rather have him go to Harvard if he's going to be three years and done. That's the average career span for an NFL player. So I'd say Harvard. Harvard's a lifetime.

[B]

Four years at Harvard is better than three years in the NFL.

[A]

Yes. You think? Yes, Todd.

[C]

And then you could be a gm. Don't have to worry about concussions, make a lot of money in the front office instead of worrying about being down on the field.

[A]

All right, thank you, Todd. All right. 8 7, 7 3, DP show email address dpdanpatrick.com Twitter handle @DP show so 25 of the NFL needs a new head coach. I thought we were going to have five or six openings. Now here we are with eight. It doesn't mean that we won't get to nine. I don't know if we get to 10. I wouldn't rule out nine, though. There's somebody whether they're in the playoffs or like if you're Tampa Bay. Would you make a change with John Harbaugh I mean it's, it, it is an upgrade. Kevin Stefansky, highly thought of. And this is where, and I'm guessing in Miami, Steven Ross probably went, wait a minute, we can get John Harbaugh or we have the opportunity. Troy Aikman is a consultant for us. Maybe we could get John Harbaugh. That's an upgrade. Kevin Stefanski, that would be an upgrade. But if you're Tampa Bay, I'm gonna throw in Buffalo because it just feels like something could happen there. I don't know if there's another scenario. You know, Green Bay doesn't make these kind of rash decisions. Yeah, granted they lost what, four in a row leading into this game. And you know the who's favored in that game with the Bears, it's gone back and forth. So it's, it's a, a toss up, it's a pick em game and you got love. Who was out. Micah Parsons done for the year. Doesn't feel like Matt LaFleur is coaching for his job. But you look at these other scenarios here where now all of a sudden the, you know, the stakes, this is high stakes poker. This is Texas hold' em or fuldom with some of these owners. And what do you do? Yes, Marvin.

[D]

And I think the Micah Parsons injury helps Matt LaFleur because wait, wait, I didn't have my best defensive player. So if they lose, he's kind of got an excuse.

[A]

Well, Mike McDaniel we thought had an excuse too. Tyreek Hill goes down. But I think they were trading Tyreek Hill before he got injured. Then all of a sudden you, you know, lose your best defensive lineman and one of your, or maybe best defensive back. You don't go all in and trade, you know, your running back and your other wide receiver in Miami and you stay there with Tua. Then all of a sudden you, the Quinn yours gives you a better chance of winning. It felt like two and Mike McDaniel were attached. Therefore, when Mike was keeping his job, I thought, well, maybe TUA is going to be able to come back. But I'm wondering, can you ship him off or is that one of those Russell Wilson, man, this is going to hurt the salary cap. But we got to do this for the betterment of this team. And is that a good job going into. You want a head coaching job if you haven't had the opportunity. But if you're John Harbaugh, that's 18 years. You pick where you want to go. You don't have to take a job, but you need to win. Now he's not in for a rebuild. I don't think the Giants are a rebuild. Obviously, the Raiders are a rebuild. Tennessee is rebuilding. Miami is sort of in that no man's land. They're not good, but they're not bad. They're just.

[E]

Yeah, Paulie, I went back and looked at the Dolphins after week seven. They just lost six of their first seven. They just lost 31 to six to the Browns. And our poll question the next day was, does Mike McDaniel make it to dinner? And then he won five of his next six and staved it off for a while.

[A]

And that's where I said at the time, if, if you're going to fire him, then fire him, because there's a chance they're going to win some games. And then you win games. They won five of six. Now all of a sudden you have that conundrum of, well, wait a minute, what team and what coach do I have the first half of the season or what they're showing me in the second half of the season? And owners have admitted to this, that you'll see teams that are better the following year by the way they finish the regular season. You might not be good as far as qualifying for the playoffs, but it's like the Lions, when the Lions closed fast a couple years ago, I said, and I thought they were going to make the playoffs that year. I said, look out for the Lions the next year. And that I. They went to the NFC title game, I believe. How do you close? It's like Atlanta played well at the end of the year. History has shown if you play well at the end of the year and you're not a playoff team, chances are it'll carry over. You found something. Maybe it took longer than it should have, but maybe you have something in some of these places that you closed out and you played hard, you played well. Yes.

[C]

Todd, at the risk of sounding insensitive, hasn't Black Monday lost some of its luster? If several days later you can get fired, possibly even after losing a playoff game, which we're going to find out in the week or two ahead? What is Black Monday at this point?

[A]

How about Black week just the entire week?

[C]

Or is it Gray Monday? Is it a lighter shade? Because it's like, not as scary as it's not really Black Monday anymore. If you're going to get fired on Thursday.

[A]

Yeah. How about you might get fired this week? Like that. That's what we can work with. Yes.

[B]

It is kind of crazy that we've all Bought in on the concept of Black Monday as a thing. Yeah. That we all know. And that so much so that Todd's disappointed that it's lost its luster. It's not the Black Monday we used to know.

[C]

Have to get fired within 24 hours Landscape of the regular season.

[A]

I can't wait to see all these guys get fired.

[E]

When people lose their livelihood and their dreams, we should do it in a.

[A]

Format that's come on good for us. That's not fair.

[C]

Make a decision.

[B]

Sponsor it next year by like an employment agency or something. Let's get indeed on there.

[A]

You need a new coach.

[C]

You need indeed minimum kindness.

[A]

The sensitivity level of you that never ceases to.

[C]

Luster isn't a great word to use. Well, some of its luster. We can't celebrate Black Monday.

[B]

The most sensitive sl. Insensitive, sensitive person.

[A]

That's true.

[C]

I could have used better words.

[A]

Nobody fakes sincerity quite like you do. Nobody.

[C]

Fair.

[A]

By the way, Random. Random thing. Random topic. Tomorrow night I have a zoom call at 6 o' clock for a half hour with a psychic. And she. I got this Christmas gift. She is going to tell me about my dog, Winnie. And I had to send her pictures and I get to. I get to wait and hear about my dog.

[B]

I smell smoke.

[A]

I smell. So do you smoke?

[B]

Okay, so it's telling me that you don't smoke. That's why I smell the smoke.

[A]

It's a clue that you don't smoke. Yeah. Oh. So I. And then my daughter has a cat, a Maine coon cat. And then she gets the other half hour. So I get a zoom call with a psychic about your dog. About my dog and my cat. Yeah. And we're on a zoom call with the psychic with our pets.

[B]

Winnie is upset about the treats situation. Feels it's a little lacking.

[A]

Yes.

[E]

Paul, I don't want to poo poo this, but I always see those psychic offices and I want to walk in and say, tell me my middle name. If you tell me my middle name, I'll sit down and pay the fee. How much?

[A]

I don't know. That guy owes Dr. O's. Yeah. Owes Perlman. He might be able to tell your middle name. That guy does some crazy, crazy stuff. I don't know how he's doing it, but you'll see him with NFL teams. Saw him with the. The Rams and the Bills. I'm like, damn, something's going on there. Yeah.

[E]

Paul, what are you gonna ask your psychic tomorrow?

[A]

I'm not asking. Oh, I'm listening.

[E]

They're presenting.

[A]

Yeah. You got to tell me about my pet. I'm not going to give you any hints about Winnie. No. And. And the Maine Coon. His name is Kevin. So we're going to be sitting there with the psychic on a zoom call. Man, do I live the life. Yes, Todd, did you reach out to.

[C]

The psychic for an appointment? And if so, it doesn't make sense because the psychic should have known in advance that you needed this help and they would have reached out to you.

[A]

Well, one of my children gave me this as a Christmas gift. Yeah? Yeah.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

See the smoke? That must be your grandfather. That's your grandfather.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

He smoked, right? Like, who didn't have a grandfather that smoked?

[A]

And if you're watching on Peacock, there's Tyler with Winnie. And that's not a great angle for Winnie, but there she is. She's excited now. She's going to see herself on TV and go crazy. Crazy. You can hear her barking in the back. Yes.

[C]

Todd, are you going into this with a questionable or you're all in on, like. I'm going to take what this person says for real.

[A]

I promise that I'm going in with an open mind. I promise.

[B]

I sense tension here with. Is it maybe with the dog? Is it with a family member?

[C]

Does your dog bark? Sometimes I'm getting this feeling that, like, there's a dog wag her tail. Getting this feeling.

[A]

I still love the Pink Panther. That scene. Does your dog bite? And then all of a sudden, Peter Sellers pets the dog and the dog bites him and he goes, I thought you said your dog does not bite. And the guy behind the counter goes, that is not my dog. Anywho. Anywho.

[E]

Worried about tomorrow night, are you? Yeah, because I think you believe a little too much.

[A]

You think I'm gullible?

[E]

No, not gullible. That's different. I think you. If you said, do you believe or not believe in psychics? I think you lean towards that. You would believe in them occasionally.

[A]

No, I. I wouldn't.

[E]

And I'm talking about not that random dude on the street. Just like, I think you'd lean towards it.

[A]

I did sit down for a tarot card reading, and I didn't. It didn't last because she said to me, I see evil. And I was like, you want to hear it? No, I'm like, I don't know what's going on, you know, And. And there were a group of people. There was people. Everybody's getting their reading done, and I didn't want to do it. And then all of a sudden, I sat down and it was like, wait a minute, what's going on here? So I cut short that tarot card reading. Yes, Todd.

[C]

What are you supposed to do with them? Say you're not gonna make it home alive, so you just. Forever. You're gonna have to stay in the office there with the psychic.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know how deep she's gonna get, but we had sent pictures of the dog and the cat, and then she's gonna do a reading.

[B]

Since Evil. I'm getting the name.

[A]

Yeah. Does evil mean anything to you? Evil Knievel.

[B]

I'm getting the name.

[A]

Warby Morbi Norby, Dorby Norby. Does that mean.

[E]

When you're in there tomorrow night, you got 30 minutes. If you got a couple minutes at the end, ask her if she likes the Panthers or the Rams. That would help.

[A]

Yeah, I don't. I don't know if anybody's gone through this, but, yeah, I got. It's an hour long. And I said to my daughter, I said, I'm not sitting there for an hour. I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna take 30. And then you take 30. And that's it. Yes, Todd.

[C]

So to Paulie's point, does a psychic have selective abilities? Why can't, like, they tell you. How do they not play the roulette wheel?

[A]

And they know I don.

[C]

They know the cards. They know what's coming.

[A]

Okay, why doesn't this O's Pearlman play the stock market and become a billionaire? Exactly. And then he doesn't have to go into a football practice and read people's.

[C]

Minds because it's fraudulent.

[A]

I don't know. There's something going on with him. Like, I watch the. Anytime I go on Facebook and I see one of those clips, I click on O's Perlman.

[C]

Pick the Powerball numbers. Then why don't they just. Every time you can win Powerball, you see the future. You know, things. You know, select things, you know, like the name of someone's grandmother that died. That's talking to them from the dead. Come on.

[A]

Yes.

[E]

I'm reading a couple articles where they discuss, in seriousness, like, Popular Science, about psychics. And they say most psychics who are somewhat reputable.

[D]

Air quotes.

[E]

They say they can't predict, like, the weather and the future and sporting events, but more so they connect with the person they're talking to and can read into them. And it's not like I could tell you what the stock market's going to do next week.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. I mean, once again, it was a Christmas gift. And I don't know if I reacted in the way I should have because I was like, I saw this, it was like a card and I went, huh?

[C]

That's not a good sound to make for a gift.

[A]

Huh? Huh? Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. Okay. And then I could bond with my daughter and then her cat and the cat and the dog get along with each other and. Yeah, yeah. It'd be like, who. Who is Owen Wilson? Yeah, Yeah.

[C]

A great idea.

[A]

Yes. Marvin.

[D]

Yeah. The person, one of your kids that gave it to you. Oh, Dad's gonna love this. And you just didn't have that reaction that they.

[A]

I know. I should have. I should have. They should have known to not give me that. I'm psychotic. All right, take a break. Jesse Palmer, as Todd likes to say. Oh, the dreamy Jesse Palmer from the Bachelor and Bachelorette.

[C]

He has my final rose. I predicted, by the way, way in advance.

[A]

That's a rose. He gives you the rose. You don't give him a rose.

[C]

I'm not going to wait for that. I'm aggressive like that. I'm going to give him my rose.

[A]

All right, Jesse Palmer will join us and we'll talk some college football with him. More of your phone calls as well. We're back after this in the Dan Patrick Show. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, it's Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington from the Odd Couple on Fox Sports Radio. And in addition to hearing us live.

[C]

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[A]

That's right, you can now watch the Odd couple live on YouTube every day.

[C]

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[A]

Jesse Palmer, ESPN college football analyst and host of the Bachelor and Bachelorette, former NFL quarterback. He's teaming up with Kirk Cousins. You might have seen the commercials and it's great clips. College football playoff campaign. New nationwide haircut promotion. Great Clips for 9.99. Get a haircut coupon. You can go to greatclips.com football through January 16th and then visit any participating Great Clip salon through January 23rd to take advantage of this offer as we make way for Jesse Palmer. Speaking of hair, how much attention did you give your hair when you were playing football?

[D]

Not a lot. Because I'm a sweater. I mean, that. I mean, two handoffs into the game, it wouldn't matter.

[A]

Yeah, but the national anthem, you know, you're up there doing, you know, pat and goes and all those things.

[D]

You didn't pat and go. You have the helmet on. National anthem. The camera was not on me. I would try to stand as close to the head coach as I could, or this or the star, just to try to get in the three shot. But generally that was not. I was not in focus for that.

[A]

Hey, I. You know, I could see the vanity there. Who does it, Paulie?

[E]

Sean McVeigh.

[A]

Does it say, oh, Sean McVeigh? Yeah, but he's a coach. So coaches. I mean, Matt LaFleur, let's be honest. I mean, those dudes are. They have eyebrow. Probably getting their eyebrows waxed.

[D]

You listen from a guy that used to do it. I mean, I made. I made some mistakes down in Gainesville, Florida, by putting hair product in before a game. Like, the worst thing ever is to be dropping back on third and 15 against an elite SEC pass rush. And you have pomade in your eye because you're trying to figure out, is the state, what's the safety doing, what hashes, where am I looking? Spurriers yelling at you over on the sideline. Like, I. I ran into that problem a few times. So I learned my lesson. I think by the time I got to New York, there was no more hair product before games.

[A]

If I would have told you before the season started, Alabama or Georgia was not going to be in. Ohio State's not going to be advancing, and Alabama as well. Ohio State, Georgia and Alabama wouldn't be in the Final Four. You would have said what.

[D]

It'S. What's happening now in college football. I think this is the first time in the College Football Playoff era that those teams you just mentioned, Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State and Clemson, not one of them are in the playoff. And I got to say, you know, just from a fan standpoint, I kind of like the new blood thing. I know Nil and the portal that's changed everything, and this is the new normal moving forward. But I think Indiana is a great example, and obviously Ole Miss, Miami, these are all great examples of programs that can completely flip very, very quickly. Rosters change on a dime, and teams get competitive really, really fast. And I think you're seeing a great example of that in this year's playoff.

[A]

But do you think this is the norm or this an aberration?

[D]

I think it's the norm. Moving forward I still think the SEC is the best conference in college football, top to bottom. I think it's still the best top to bottom, but not necessarily national championship every single year like we were used to for all those years. Teams no longer can stockpile talent and five star recruits the way they used to at Georgia and Alabama and LSU and some of these programs. Today, if you're not on the field early in your career, you're out, you're in the portal and you're getting paid more money to go play somewhere else. And so there's just more, there's more discrepancy, there's more parody from a roster standpoint. Teams just simply aren't as deep anymore. And I mean, at the start of the year, if you'd said to me, hey, Indiana is going to beat out. Indiana is going to beat Alabama in the Rose Bowl, I would have been like, okay. I mean, I could see that. If you'd said it would be 35 to 3 or whatever it was, I would have said, whoa, that, that seems a bit aggressive. But there's such a, there's just such a well coached team with so much talent. And this has been, this has definitely been eye opening, I think, for a lot of fans watching this.

[A]

All right, handicap Ole Miss in Miami because I misjudged Miami. I didn't think they could be as physical as they were. That stood out. It was, it was glaring and I just never thought that I would see that.

[D]

I'm with you on that. I think Miami could win the whole thing based on that physicality you're talking about. I think in this era of college football, which with so much tempo and air rate and everybody's going fast and spreading the ball around, I still think games are one and lost in the trenches. And the way Miami's playing right now, especially in the playoff, that's where they're dominating people. I mean, that D line right now is ruthless. People can't block Ruben Bane. People can't block mesico. They've got 12 sacks in two playoff games. And then offensively, they're running the football with Mark Fletcher, a big physical back who's going to play in the NFL. They got an outstanding offensive line. They're just staying on the field. They're running it down people's throats. Ole Miss is supremely talented, no question. And Trinidad Chambliss, to me, especially after that Georgia game, you know, he's, he's remarkable. And we called it their first playoff game against Tulane. They've got so many playmakers and they don't have a ton of weaknesses and they can run the ball too, but that physicality is going to get put to the test. And Ole Miss better be able to run the ball with Kewan Lacey against Miami and avoid third and longs. Otherwise it could be a really long day for Trinidad.

[A]

Shambles what did Oregon learn from the first matchup with Indiana?

[D]

They got to be able to run the ball. I think that's where they got in trouble that first time and that's ultimately really the identity of Oregon's offense. I know that Dante Moore gets a lot of credit credit and a lot of the the shine and people are talking about him potentially being the first pick in next year's NFL draft if he decides to come out. But when you watch Oregon play, it still comes down to their ability to be physical and run the football. Daniel Ning has built that offensive line. They look like an NFL line. They're really, really big. That was a big question mark coming into the year. They had replaced four starters. They went to the and they brought in some big NFL bodies and they've got a deep stable of backs that are also very, very big. You'll see four or five different guys playing this game against Indiana. The problem in the first game is they weren't able to run it successfully and it got them in trouble. Indiana is excellent at stopping the run on defense and on third down. They've got a very exotic pressure package that that gives people fits and they were living in Oregon's backfield in those situations. If Oregon can't run the ball more effectively, I don't think Oregon can beat Indiana.

[A]

Talking to Jesse Palmer, ESPN college football analyst and of course the Bachelor and Bachelorette host and he pairs with Kirk Cousins for a Great Clips commercial. GreatClips.com Football now through January 16 claim a haircut coupon 9.99 there how was it working with Kirk Cousins?

[D]

It was amazing. We shared a lot of laughs in the in the chair getting our haircuts and we were talking about the Manning passing academy back in the day. He was when he was at Michigan State playing, he was there and I was there as a counselor at the camp. I used to work the camp for a couple of years and so kind of getting to know him there. We're catching up since then and then we had this really interesting deep conversation about the future of pass rush in football. Kirk wanted to talk about where he sees the future in that going and and the different D coordinators that that he Finds really hard to game plan for. We had a very good X's and O session during our, our great clip shoot.

[A]

Okay, wait a minute. So what's he saying? What is the future of the pass rush?

[D]

It's the exotic radar. Look, it's the one where everybody lines up and you don't know.

[A]

Wait, wait, you just gave us a new term, the exotic radar.

[D]

Look, well, the rate. I mean, a lot of people know what radar is like. Radar is like the Ravens used to do radar. When Ray Lewis was there and all those guys and it was like Rex Ryan and Marvin Lewis. You had no idea who was, who was blitzing, who was in a three point stance. Guys were dropping out, guys were rushing and you almost had to guess on offense. You just weren't, you weren't sure what happened. Oddly enough, my rookie season, probably the worst game I've ever played in my life. It was the fourth game of the preseason against that exact def. Defense from the Ravens. And I had no idea where the pressure was coming from. I got sacked, fumbled, Everything was going wrong. That defense that a lot of people are doing now, we think that's going to be, we both think that's going to be the future. Not just in the NFL, but you're going to start seeing I think more, more college programs.

[A]

Okay, but what's that feeling like? Okay, you go to the line of scrimmage and you have, you're supposed to show confidence and composure and poise and you have no idea what's going on?

[C]

No.

[D]

I remember literally going to the line of scrimmage every single time I dropped back to pass. I had no idea if I was protected or not. Not saying I wasn't sure if the guys up front could block their man. I knew they could do that. What I didn't know though was hey, if, if the Sam linebacker blitzes, do I have to hit this fullback in the flat or can I hold on to it because he's going to get picked up and I can try to find a receiver on a 15 yard in round. And you know, usually when you, you know the game plan and you understand defense very well, you might have one or two snaps like that. A game where you're just not sure what's about to happen. I literally dropped back 20 times clueless of what was happening. And yeah, needless to say, that was, that was a game I'll, I'll never forget. That was, that was unique.

[A]

And it was a preseason game. It's not even a regular season game. And they're Coming after you.

[D]

We just got done playing Tom Coughlin in Jacksonville the week before, and they just played vanilla defense the entire game. They played cover three and man to man and cover two, and I lit it up. I had this big day and I remember throwing it all over the place. I called my dad after that game and I said, dad, I don't think the NFL is that hard. Honestly, really don't like. I think the SEC was harder than playing defenses. It's so easy. They just line up very next week, a preseason game. It was exotic. Radar blitz fest. And I had zero clue. I called my dad after that game. I took everything back. Everything.

[A]

I mentioned this on the show yesterday. Indiana is a great story and. And Fernando Mendoza is by proxy a great story as well. I just don't know if we're going to get caught up. I don't know how good he is. I know he's going to be the number one pick, but like Dante Moore, somebody's going to be the second quarterback drafted. And I'm not sure if these are great prospects, good potential to be very good. So can you handicap these, these two quarterbacks?

[D]

Well, it's not a sure thing. I would agree with that. I'm trying to think back in the 19 years I've been covering college football. I can probably count on my, on one hand how many guys I knew coming out I thought were going to be good. Like, I remember I knew Andrew Luck was going to be good. I knew that. I knew Trevor Lawrence was going to be good. I felt good about that.

[A]

Cam.

[D]

Yeah, Cam. I just. You knew he was just, just, just from a physical standpoint, a statue standpoint, he was going to be a problem, I think, with Fernando. Like, I'm a big fan of his. And it's more, I think more because of the cerebral and just how he processes things. I know he's not an elite athlete. His mobility has gotten better throughout his care. Makes really, really good decisions. And he stepped up. He's had some. He's had some Heisman moments. He's had some moments against good defenses this year where he's really, he's really made big plays in big moments, you know, Dante Moore. This is really the only year you've ever seen Dante Moore play. He had five starts at UCLA as a true freshman two years ago. He sat last year behind Dylan Gabriel, watching, watching him at Oregon. And then this year, you've gotten to watch him. He's a very natural pastor. There's a lot you like there, but yeah, it's Going to be interesting. I mean, listen, the. The Raiders are sitting right now at number one and you've got Brock Bowers on offense, Ashton Genty, you know, whichever. Those two guys, if that's where they end up, you know, it's a porous offensive line there. There's a lot of work there to be done. It'll. It'll be interesting what will overanalyze this to death over the next several months before the draft. But I think they're both really good prospects. I think Ty Simpson is also a really good prospect, but I don't think there is a sure fire first overall pick necessarily in terms of one of those guys who's astronomically better than the other.

[A]

Great to catch up with you. Good luck. Good luck with the, the two year old there and the campaign.

[D]

You appreciate it, brother. We'll see you.

[A]

Jesse Palmer. All right. Bachelor. Bachelorette. And not afraid to put a little pomade in his hair before a football game. Who isn't afraid to put a little pomade in there? You see some of those guys when they come out on the field or basketball players when they come out. Spend a little extra time before you get out there.

[C]

Yes, Todd, I would love the opportunity to be able to do that and have that as a choice.

[A]

No, you wouldn't.

[C]

To be able to have enough hair to put some product in it.

[D]

Why not?

[A]

Yeah, but I got a hair partner now and you said you weren't interested.

[C]

That's true. I got to loosen up and be a little more ambitious about.

[A]

Paulie said that he'd be willing to try it.

[E]

Sprinkle the infield.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'll jump on board, too. I'm trying to keep what I got. Hell, yeah.

[A]

Is there. Are there concerns that.

[B]

Well, I mean, just like every male, it. It's. It starts going back up a little bit at certain corners. Yeah. I'm trying to hold on to all of this.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

All right. They've got to get preventative care.

[A]

Yeah, that's what they call it. Get ahead of the. Be proactive. Yeah. Be proactive. Yes.

[E]

Paul, you just got to hope for a slow retreat seat.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

It doesn't matter when it starts because mine started at like 31, but it was a progressive slow retreat.

[A]

Sue in California. Good morning, Sue. What's on your mind today?

[F]

Good morning, Dan. How you doing?

[A]

Great.

[F]

Okay. I just have a comment for you. So I was listening to the episode. My husband watches you every day, loves all you guys. And so I'm a, you know, a fan by proxy, but you were talking about the pet psychic, and we have had that done and it's amazing. So I just wanted to say what cool gift that your daughter gave you. She's obviously very highly evolved, forward thinking, and has a lot of love for your connection with Winnie. And so just like each of you have been born with certain natural talents and inclinations. Like, you know, Todd's good at, you know, academics and Seton's really interested in soccer, and Paul's really good at stats, and Marvin's just a beautiful human being. You all have these talents that you're born with, and as long as you can be open to that, you know, being a pet psychic, being able to communicate with people and pets on a level that you're not aware of, you shouldn't discount it.

[A]

Like, oh, I'm not, I'm open minded. It's Todd who is negative Nelly here. But what am I going to learn about my dog in this zoom call with the psychic tomorrow?

[F]

Well, so she is going to start talking, but then she'll ask you, you should have three or four things ready that you might like to know about Winnie. Like, she'll tell you what she sees and what Winnie is communicating with her. But then are there things you want to know, like, what was Winnie's beginnings like? You know, what was her family like? Does she have any, like, fears or anxieties or, you know, what, you know, what kind of life did she have before she came to you? And what kind of things in her are maybe that resonate really well with you and maybe there's certain things in your family that you guys do that she doesn't like or like you said, she gets along well with your daughter's Maine coon cat. You know, was she with cats, you know, earlier in her life or what's that about?

[A]

All right, well, once again, I'm open minded. By the way, they found Winnie and the litter in a garbage dump in Tennessee. So they and I, the rescue that we went through, they were, they're wonderful. But they found the litter. Didn't find her mom, but they found the litter. And then her, her and one of her brothers were adopted on the same day that I picked up winning. So, yeah, it'll, I'm, I'm interested in it. I'm not going into it going, all right, this is silly. Like, I, I hope that there is some connection there and I can learn more about winning. Still learning about winning. And the Maine coon cat, you know, Kevin's only like seven months old.

[E]

The cat's name is Kevin.

[A]

Yes.

[E]

I love human names for animals.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Like Steve the dog.

[A]

Yeah. Molly said, hey, I want to get a Maine coon. And I already got the name. It's Kevin. And I go, of course it's Kevin. So we got this and these Maine coon cats. He's seven or eight months old. He's. He's huge. Really huge.

[E]

Like bad huge.

[A]

No, man, he. He looks like he is Mufasa. Like he's a badass. And he takes, he took over the house. He beats up Winnie. He takes on Winnie one on one and, you know, latest detail about him. Okay, last call for phone calls. What we learned, what's in store tomorrow. Todd has tomorrow's headlines off tonight's game.

[C]

Let's have some fun.

[A]

All of that coming up after this. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our [e-mail] and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Last call for phone calls. What we learn what's in store tomorrow. Also this day in sports history, Travis Kelsey on the New Heights podcast on whether or not he's going to be coming back to the Kansas City Chiefs. And what would be the deciding factor.

[B]

If my body can, can heal up and rest up and I can, I can feel confident that I can go out there and give it another 18, 20, 21 week run, I think I would do it in a heartbeat. I think right now it's just finding that answer and, and seeing how the, the body feels after this game and kind of when it all settles down.

[A]

Yeah, I guess the first question I would have if I'm Travis Kelsey is not can my body hold up? It's how is Patrick Mahomes his body? Because is he going to be able to be ready for the start of the regular season? And if not, it might not be a playoff season. Do you want to come back? Nobody wants to go out in the way that Travis Kelce went out or these other players. You don't make the playoffs or you lose in the playoffs, you lose in a Super Bowl. Even those who win a Super bowl, what's their reaction? And I'd like to come back again. You don't go. Yep, now I'm ready to retire. Only Elway. But Elway really didn't have a choice. He needed to. The odds for the number one pick overall, according to DraftKings, it is Fernando Mendoza. Then it's Dante Moore, Reuben Bain Jr III, Arvell Reese, and Trinidad Shambless. Now Shambliss is petitioning the NCAA to be able to come back for another year at Ole Miss. What I'm told is he's probably going to be granted an extra year to come back to Ole Miss, but they're going to drag it out a little bit so other players don't try to use this loophole, whatever the loophole is. But Trinidad Shambliss is right now one, two, so fifth best, best odds to be the number one overall pick. That might be your third quarterback off the board if he does come out. And if you're Ty Simpson at Alabama and you're ready to go into the draft, you may get bumped down to the fourth quarterback taken. All right, Todd has headlines for from tonight's game for tomorrow.

[C]

Couple of possibilities. If Miami wins, yes, they can.

[D]

Another one.

[C]

If Miami wins, Super Mario as in crystal ball. If Miami loses, Carson Dreck or rocked him like a hurricane. If Miami loses. If Mississippi wins, Lane who? Or the golden goose for their head coach. If Mississippi wins, we also have. Oh, we're done.

[A]

That's it.

[E]

I'm sorry, I didn't realize there's more that good.

[C]

If Mississippi wins, sham bliss. Sham bliss. And if Mississippi wins, Weiss move to let him coach in semis. And then if Mississippi.

[D]

Swing an Ole Miss.

[C]

If Mississippi loses, Rebels without claws and rebel smell. If Mississippi loses, Clause, it's not a stand up act. It's just headlines. It's hard to make it too hilarious.

[A]

I know, but when you, when you, you give it to me and then you give me the over enunciation as if if you slow it down and enunciate then I'm going to understand it better.

[C]

That's like when I was trying to do the comment, I decided cursing out of the blue because I was losing the audience I had already left.

[A]

Okay. This was brought up to me yesterday. Dylan, who does stand up in New York, occasionally in Manhattan, is maybe going to do stand up at some place in San Francisco during that super week in February. Dylan asked, would you be interested in doing stand up as well on the same night that he does it? Yes. Seaton.

[B]

Maybe we haven't gotten this far, but who would be opening and who would be the headliner? Air quote.

[A]

Oh, I'm sure Dylan would be fine to open.

[B]

Oh dear.

[A]

Putting more pressure.

[B]

Okay, who is it better for? Whom is it better to go first and then last?

[A]

Well, if our fans are there, then I would say Todd would go second.

[B]

He should close that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If it's a fan event, Todd.

[A]

Yes. Yeah, but I don't know if you're interested in that, Todd.

[C]

It's something I will think about. You know how much I love being put on the spot where I have to make a decision.

[A]

Okay. Dylan is going to do stand up, I believe somewhere in San Francisco.

[C]

Awesome.

[A]

And he did say, hey, I don't want to be the stand up guy. I know Todd does this. Does Todd want to be on the bill with me?

[C]

He should not give that a second thought. If I was not part of that. I am all for rooting for dy a great job. There's no competition there or anything.

[E]

Dan, I have my Todd translator here. Handily means absolutely not. I would think about that. That's a hard no.

[B]

That is a hard.

[E]

I mean, that's a definite no.

[A]

This day in sports history. Oh, let's see.

[E]

I just got a couple for you as soon as this closes out. The first American bowling tournament was held in this city in 1901. Chicago, Illinois, a hotbed of bowling. NCAA rule in New York City with 1960, the unlimited substitution rule for college football used to have limited substitutions. I didn't even know that. And Michael Jordan in 1993 of the Bulls became the 18th player in NBA.

[A]

History to reach 20,000 points on this date in 2000. Music City Miracle. I missed it. I'm in the basement, I'm watching and my wife was like, like, come on, dinner. And you know I'm not home that often. Got the kids up there and you know the game's gonna end. All they got, you know there's gonna be a kickoff, it's gonna be over. Go upstairs and all of a sudden find out that I missed the Music City miracle. Yes, Marv.

[D]

Sad part is that's only the fifth worst thing that's ever happened to the Bills.

[E]

Dang, Marv.

[A]

Let's go around the room. What we learned on the program.

[C]

Toddlers Chris and Syracuse likes Ole Miss tonight especially if Chambliss gets rid of the ball quickly to counter that Miami defense.

[A]

Satan, what did you learn?

[B]

Dylan is doing stand up, Marvin.

[D]

We need a pie guy.

[A]

Yeah, we got got some bets to pay.

[E]

Paulie, I predict you have a weird week ahead.

[A]

I got my psychic tomorrow with my dog Todd. What did I learn?

[C]

College football has made such a mess of things, they desperately need congress to step in and clean things up.

[A]

Thanks for joining us. It's a meet Friday tomorrow. Our pleasure to serve you for Fritzi Seaton. Marv, Paulie, yours truly. Have a great day, everybody. The new year brings new health goals and wealth goals Protecting your identity is an important step. Your info is in endless places that could expose you to identity theft, leading to lost funds. LifeLock monitors millions of data points per second. If your identity is stolen, LifeLock's restoration specialist will fix it, guaranteed, or your money back. Resolve to make identity, health and wealth part of your New year's goals with LifeLock, save up to 40% your first year. Visit lifelock.com sports terms apply. This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.