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Dan Patrick
It was just me naked.
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Dan Patrick
You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. It's the final hour and this Thursday we'll talk to the former Cowboy head coach Jason Garrett. More of your phone calls as well have a new poll question. We had an update on Justin Fields. The report initially was that he was carted off lower leg injury at jets training camp. We have found out since that Aaron Glenn, the new head coach of the jets said that somebody apparently stepped on Justin Fields toe and that it is not severe except for Justin Fields who had somebody step on his toe. But we don't know if there's any other damage to it. But considering he was carted off, this is this is good news that okay, somebody stepped on your toe. All right, good. Get out there and play. Let's go. Stat of the Day brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the Dan Patrick Show. I saw this. Now this has been going on for a while in ESPN is close. They're on the doorstep from what I'm told to acquiring NFL Network and Red Zone. Now. I also just saw this as well. It looks like the NFL is going to get a piece of espn. Okay, I don't know all the details here. I haven't really been covering it. I Just heard, I've been told by people. But it. So now this is tricky though, because can, can ESPN truly report on the NFL? If the NFL has a piece of espn? I don't know if it's a big deal. I don't know if it's a big deal to you. Journalism probably not running rampant at the mothership anymore, but ESPN has had to walk the fine line between the journalistic interest and their business interest. So this, you know, billion dollar relationship with, with the NFL. So this has been going on for quite some time. It was on again. It was off again, on again, off again. Now it appears as it's on again. Yeah, they're gonna, I mean, can, can the mothership be any more NFL focused than they already are? Well, we're going to find out. Yeah. Paul?
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Paul Pabst
Yeah. If you look at it though, all these major networks and some that we've worked for, almost all of them have some type of rights holder partnership with a league, the NBA, mlb, NFL. And that can be tough. You and I, all of us here have dealt with that at different places we worked for. When there's a harsh story about a league, some executive will send over an email, hey, why are we covering this? Are we covering this properly? Management will oftentimes tell content people to step off the gas a little bit on a negative story about a rights holder.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, I had a situation when the show Playmakers was on the mothership and we were, we were specifically told to back away from talking about that the NFL had gotten in somebody's ear and then that was relayed to us on ESPN Radio. Yes, well, we've had it happen a bunch of times here. Well, where you will report on a story and then after the show you'll get a phone call from a commissioner or a very high ranking official and say, hey, what. Where'd you get that information from? That's pretty interesting. And you know, those are, you're independent of all of that stuff. But they still will. Hey, what, so what, what happened there? How did you get that information? That's pretty interesting. Could you imagine if that person owned 20% of the show and was like, I don't really appreciate that, what you just did there. It's a totally different situation. Yeah. Tough to do your job if, if you know Big Brother is looming. Always there. You know, even two people I know who no longer work at NFL Network, they did talk about there were certain things that you could not bring up.
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Marvin
You.
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Dan Patrick
They couldn't bring up gambling on NFL Network. That's gone. Or at least it will be gone with the mothership. You know how important gambling is to them. Yeah.
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Paul Pabst
Paulie, going back to Playmakers, that was a show, an original show by ESPN that was very racy, and it's all about an NFL team with lots of issues and drugs and women and lots of negative stuff. And ESPN canceled that show. And we were on the air the next day, and you discussed the odd thing about the NFL wagging the dog and causing a network to cancel the show. We actually had on one of the bosses of espn. He walked downstairs and did an interview with us. And it was a quite awkward day because our boss said, we're not in the business of alienating our rights holders. And it was an awkward day on campus in Bristol.
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Dan Patrick
But we were making the argument, or at least trying to Playmakers was accurate. If anything, it kind of undersold some of the things that go on off the field in the NFL. But, yeah, when we heard from management, and I didn't hear from management very often at espn, there were times, specific topics, but for the most part, they. They gave us the journalistic freedom to do what we thought was best. And sometimes you would be called on the carpet. But I understand the partnership here because ESPN was losing subscriptions. You know, the cord cutting and. But I think, according to an article, an awful announcing ESPN was the valuation of ESPN in 2023, I think was like 2023 or $24 billion. And I'm thinking, dang, I should have asked for more money there. Let me see. So it looks like the 10% stake would be worth between 2 and 2 and a half billion dollars. Wow. Yeah. This. It says the company was listed as having an evaluation of $24 billion. The last 10 years haven't been kind to ESPN as far as, you know, people once again, cord cutting. But this is a big deal and a big deal for the future of espn. But NFL Network red zone going to the Mothership, or at least the mothership's going to own them.
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Paul Pabst
Yes, Paul, just to put a bow on the Playmakers thing, many years ago, we actually had Deion Sanders on to review Playmakers, the show for us. And I can remember Dion's line was, dan, I played with Michael Irvin and the Cowboys. Playmaker's got nothing on Michael Irvin. That's great.
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Dan Patrick
They could have just made it. You know, the Cowboys just base it off. You know, you could have kind of fictional character. Maybe they did just fictional characters, but it was based on true stories. Dion tells this story where he went to A hotel. Michael Irvin was there, and Mike was partying. And Mike was not alone. And Dion walks in, and he saw what was going on. And Dion goes, I don't live like this. And turned around and left right after that playmaker. Yes, he was. Yes, he was. Yes, Marvin.
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Paul Pabst
And they still won three Super Bowls.
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Marvin
Yeah.
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Dan Patrick
Yes, you're right. Then they have the White House that they would party at. I think it was called the White House.
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Paul Pabst
I'm sure it was.
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Dan Patrick
How about them Cowboys?
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Paul Pabst
Well, I missed those Cowboys. I missed that Cowboys franchise because they were always deep into the playoffs and doing wild things and getting lots of coverage, but they were deep in the playoffs when doing it.
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Dan Patrick
Tyrese Halliburton was on the Pat McAfee show, and he, of course, Taurus, Achilles. And he talked about the. The number of players who are suffering Achilles tears.
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Marvin
I think that there's, like, a notion when guys get injured or when this has happened so many times that everybody thinks that they have the answer as to why this is happening. Everybody thinks we play too many games, play too many minutes.
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Paul Pabst
All those things could be true.
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Marvin
But I don't think that that is what is causing these injuries. Last season, if I'm not mistaken, I don't think there was a single Achilles tear last season, and it was the same amount of minutes, same amount of games. Right. Guys didn't suddenly get larger in the course of a year. So I don't think that anybody has necessarily the answer. I think injuries are just bad luck sometimes, and that's just what happened.
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Dan Patrick
Can we check and see if there were any Achilles tears the previous year? I mean, you did have a couple of players in the last couple of years who have suffered Achilles tears, and these are marquee players. One other basketball note, I guess Bleacher Report had a ranking top 100 NBA players of all time, and Kobe wasn't in the top 10. Marvin, do you have that? Do you have that list? Oh, is this D. Wade talking about Kobe? Okay, D. Wade, there are a lot of guys who are upset about the rankings, but this is what Bleacher Report wants. Because if Dwyane Wade's not upset about Kobe's ranking, we're probably not talking about the rankings. Here's Dwayne Wade.
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Marvin
If you want to ask us Hoopers who played against Cole, we talking.
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Dan Patrick
All of us.
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Marvin
Don't talk top three facts like we all gonna talk talk three. If you played against the. If you played against Mamba, but from someone's opinion that's never played against Kobe, have Never played a game of basketball.
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Dan Patrick
At the level that we played at.
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Marvin
Having them at 11. Why am I, why, why am I up in arms about something like that?
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Dan Patrick
I remember when Kobe was alive, they had rankers when he played in the league and they had him low.
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Marvin
I remember one year Kobe addressed it.
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Dan Patrick
Like, who is these idiots?
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Marvin
Why would I listen to these idiots? And I'm not calling the person who did this an idiot, but what I'm.
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Dan Patrick
Saying is when someone does something like that, Kobe was like, this is idiotic to me. I think that's calling somebody an idiot. But Kobe Bryant should be in the top three. I, I don't think I've seen a list where Kobe. It's Mike lebron and Kobe, should he be on the outside of the top 10? That feels a little harsh there. Charles Barkley is 24th, 25th. Giannis is 24th on that list. I don't know if there any. Have you seen the list, Marvin? I have, yes. Okay. It's Mike lebron, Kareem Kareem, Bill Russell, Magic, Shaq, Duncan, Bird, Wilt, Steph. Ooh. Okay. Yeah, Paulie.
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Paul Pabst
I think the debate here is more semantics. When someone like Dwyane Wade is talking. When we put these lists together, media people, we're almost judging it by resume. That's why Bill Russell is on there. Or Tim Duncan, because it's a resume. I think a guy like Dwyane Wade is saying, who's the best Hooper I've ever seen or faced? Best at the game of basketball. Which raises some people up.
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Dan Patrick
Well, he talks about the stylistic inspiration, the work ethic, all of those different things. I agree with you. We usually rank these players because we look at championships. We start there. That's your resume. That's why Bill Russell's in there. If you took away Bill Russell, he would be a really good. If we took away the championships and you were going to rank him, Bill Russell, you know, might be. He wouldn't be in the top 20, I don't think, because his numbers weren't great. But he was the ultimate team player. Now he always had rebounds and block shots, but artistically, not a, Not a offensive player. Yes, Marvin. And I think Dwayne Wade is speaking for players around the league.
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Paul Pabst
And if you listen to some of.
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Dan Patrick
These player only podcasts, the way they.
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Paul Pabst
Speak about Kobe Bryant, it's like the level of disrespect I think the media.
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Dan Patrick
Has for Kobe as far as an all time great is like, wait, wait, wait.
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Paul Pabst
If you played against him, he was.
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Dan Patrick
The guy that you feared or he was the best player, most skilled.
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Paul Pabst
But I think resume.
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Dan Patrick
Okay, but if you don't have Michael Jordan, then I would understand where you put Kobe. But we saw Michael. Kobe tried to be Michael. Therefore, you're going to compare him to. To Michael. And yes, maybe he's slighted, maybe doesn't get the respect that he should. Kareem, to me, is the greatest basketball player of all time. If I look at high school, college, and the pros, and I think he's underrated, he dominated, but nobody likes the big guy, you know, and Jordan did it at the right time. Many won titles, didn't even get to a Game 7. You know, no matter what LeBron does, it's never going to be good enough. I. I think Magic's underrated, too. No, he won five titles. So, you know, do we give Tim Duncan too much credit because he won five titles? Yeah, probably so. But he still won the titles if, if that, that's the bottom line of. Okay, where are you going to rank it? Well, he did win five titles here. I mean, that's the only reason why Bill Russell was on the list. Because he won 11 titles. Yes, Paulie.
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Paul Pabst
And I think it works the same way with quarterbacks. We judge resumes with quarterbacks, clearly. But if you said, who's the best ever at playing the position of quarterback? I'm throwing Dan Marino's name in early in that conversation at the. He mastered it. And he mastered it way earlier than a lot of guys did. His resume doesn't help his case. His playing ability sure does.
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Dan Patrick
Well, that's why we include Aaron Rodgers as maybe the greatest talent to play the position, because he's got one Super Bowl. And you. You think he should be higher on the list because he's got four MVPs. Well, is it about championships? Is it about MVPs? Like, you know, sometimes we. We move the goal line with this when we go, ah, man, he's the most talented guy throwing a football. What does that mean? So the most talented guy to play the position won one Super Bowl. That's a negative, isn't it? Yes, Martin.
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Paul Pabst
So if Michael Jordan didn't exist, we would have Kobe much higher than he.
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Dan Patrick
Is, Is that what you're saying? Yes, yes. But, I mean, he's compared to Mike, which isn't a fair comparison, but Kobe wanted that comparison. He was trying to be like Mike, and he came pretty close. Yes, Mark.
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Paul Pabst
That's a pretty good person.
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Dan Patrick
Try to model yourself after, though. People like, oh, he's trying to Be Mike.
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Paul Pabst
Duh.
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Dan Patrick
Yes. But it is weird though, that we as the media are constantly comparing and looking for the next Michael Jordan. And then when it happens, we're like, yeah, but sees the next Mike. We push this onto people and then hold it against them after we do.
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Marvin
It's very bizarre.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, yeah, you came close, but you're no Michael Jordan. I mean, is he the next Michael Jordan? You know, he's not that great. He's the closest thing we've ever seen, the Michael Jordan. So I gotta knock him down to 11. Sorry. But imagine taking on that mountain, you know that you say, that's who I want to be. I want to be better than you. And I'm not afraid to emulate everything you do, including the tongue hanging out of my mouth here. Everything. Stylistically, he wanted to be Michael Jordan. He came pretty close. Yeah.
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Paul Pabst
Paulie, a couple years ago on pti, I saw Michael Wilbon talking about Kobe Bryant and Michael Wilbon is first team Chicago and Michael Jordan, clearly. But he even said a lot of people try to be like Michael Jordan and Kobe came real close. Not a lot of people could say they came even close.
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Dan Patrick
We'll take a break. We'll talk some football. Jason Garrett, on loan from Football Night in America, will stop by. Hope you'll stay with us right after this on the Dan Patrick Show. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio Apple. Hey, we're Covino and Rich, Fox Sports radio every day, 5 to 7pm Eastern. But here's the thing. We never have enough time to get to everything we want to get to. And that's why we have a brand new podcast called Over Promised. You see, we're having so much fun in our two hour show. We never get to everything honestly because this guy is over promising things we never have time for. Yeah, you blubber lips, blaming me. Well, you know what it's called? Over Promise. You should be good at it because you've been over promising women for years. Well, it's a Covino and Rich after show and we want you to be a part of it. We're going to be talking, talking sports, of course, but we're also gonna talk life and relationships. And if Rich and I are arguing about something or we didn't have enough time, it will continue on our after show called Over Promised. Well, if you don't get enough Covino and Rich, make sure you check out Over Promised and also uncensored by the way, so maybe we'll go at it even a little harder. It's gonna be the best after show podcast of all time. There you go. Over promising. And remember you could see it on YouTube, but definitely join us Listen to Over Promised with Covino and rich on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Paul Pabst
There are many versions of what happened in 1969 when a young Ted Kennedy drove a car into a pond and.
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Narrator
Left a woman behind to drown. There's a famous headline, I think, in the New York Daily News. It's teddy Escapes, Blonde drowns. And in a strange way, right, that sort of tells you the story really became about Ted's political future, Ted's political hopes. Will Ted become president?
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Paul Pabst
Chappaquiddick is a story of a tragic death and how the Kennedy machine took control.
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Narrator
And he's not the only Kennedy to survive a scandal.
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Paul Pabst
The Kennedys have lived through disgrace, affairs, violence, you name it. So is there a curse? Every week we go behind the headlines and beyond the drama of America's royal family.
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Narrator
Listen to United States of Kennedy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Paul Pabst
American history is full of wise people.
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Narrator
Walt Whitman said something like 99.99% of war is diarrhea and 1% is glory. Those founding fathers were gossipy AF, and they love to cut each other down.
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Paul Pabst
I'm Bob Crawford, host of American History Hotline, the show where you send us your questions about American history. And I find the answers, including the nuggets of wisdom our history has to offer.
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Dan Patrick
Hamilton pauses, and then he says, the greatest man that ever lived was Julius Caesar. And Jefferson writes in his diary, this proves that Hamilton is for a dictator based on corruption. My favorite line was what Neil Armstrong said. It would have been harder to fake it than to do it.
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Paul Pabst
Listen to American History Hotline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Narrator
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Dan Patrick
More Phone calls coming up. 877-3-DP show stat of the day is always brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the Dan Patrick Show. Jason Garrett, Football Night in America analyst, former Cowboys coach and Notre Dame football analyst Back on the program, how often would players show up not in shape when you were the head coach of the Cowboys?
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Marvin
Not very often. You know, the off season program changed a lot through the years. If you think about 2011, they started shortening the offseason programs. You know, relative to the days of Jimmie Johnson back in the 90s. You know, we were in that building on March 1st, Dan, and you were able to lay a great foundation for the off season. You know, we ran and lifted and did all that for two months before we even thought about touching a football. And those days are long gone. And I do think in a lot of ways we miss those days because the foundation that you lay for yourself physically to get ready for 16, 17 game NFL season is critical. And I think that's changed a little bit. But I do think guys take care of themselves. I do think guys know what's at stake. What I get a little concerned about is they're not necessarily working out long enough together in the off season in a competitive environment with other NFL players. So the degree to which they're in shape is a little bit of a concern to me, and I think it's not quite as good as it used to be because of the structure of the off season.
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Dan Patrick
Were you with the Cowboys when Jimmy was talking about if a player falls asleep in a meeting that he'll cut him. And I'm paraphrasing. And then somebody said, well, what happens if Troy Aikman falls asleep? He goes, well, I'd go over there and wake him up so he, he wouldn't be. So he had different rules for different people.
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Marvin
Well, that was a real thing. John Roper was a linebacker we had with the team and we signed him during the season and he fell asleep in a meeting and Jimmy caught him. And, you know, but prior to that he talked to the team. I'll never forget it. He stood in front of the team at a team meeting and said, hey, guys. You guys don't understand. Everyone's on a spectrum here. I don't treat everybody the same. I don't treat everybody equally. You know, guys who have been here for a long time and have skins on the wall and have helped us win championships they get treated differently than a guy who just showed up. Troy Aikman gets treated differently than a third string, you know, guard who's trying to hang on by a string. He hasn't done anything yet. And to me, it's the first time I've ever heard a coach ever say something like that. But it's true and it's honest. And certainly you want to be consistent. You want to have a standard that you hold everybody to, but someone who has some history with you and has some pelts on the wall, I definitely think you treat them a little bit differently. And Jimmy was honest with us. I think everybody understood it.
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Dan Patrick
And were you there when he came up, the value. Came up with the value system of draft picks and when you were acquiring picks or trading picks, like the, the number, numerical value to those picks?
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Marvin
Yeah, yeah. I got there in 92, the first super bowl year. And Jimmy had been there. I guess that was his fourth year, so he showed up in 89. And that happened prior to me being there. And I think it was Jimmy and a guy named Mike McCoy, who was one of Jerry Jones's business partners in the oil and gas business for years. And they're the ones who came up with it together. And it's amazing how that became the language and the currency of draft rooms across the NFL for so long. And, you know, Jimmy was a really, really smart guy. You know, I never worked with him as a coach. He was. He was. I was a player, he was a coach. So I wasn't privy to a lot of the behind the scenes stuff that goes on. But everyone talks, you know, marvels at how smart he was to be able to come up with something like that and be able to translate the evaluation of a player and the draft into those terms.
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Dan Patrick
Talking to Jason Garrett, Football night in America, former Cowboys head coach, Help me understand what Jerry Jones, the message that he's sending to Micah Parsons.
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Marvin
Well, you know, for me, in this day and age, independent of the Cowboys, you know, the salary cap is going up. And when you have players on your team that you believe are cornerstone players, you know, my philosophy, my thought was always, let's sign these guys.
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Dan Patrick
Now.
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Marvin
The price is only getting higher. You know, a few years ago when Kansas City signed Patrick Mahomes, to that whatever it was, a $500 million contract, everybody was like, oh, my God, that's ridiculous. You know, it's a bargain. It's a bargain. Now they were ahead of it. They took a preemptive strike. And it seemed aggressive at the time, but you know, they're getting that guy for what I would consider below market value. And, you know, Jerry has had a philosophy that he likes to wait on these things, and unfortunately, when you wait, you know, the price goes up. Myles Garrett signs, then TJ Watts signs, and all of a sudden, Micah Parsons says, hey, I should be making that, because my stats are this relative to them and all of that. So it's just something. It's an approach that he's taken for years. I was always an advocate of being ahead of it and making the preemptive strikes. Assuming. Assuming that you believe in the player, assuming that you think he is a cornerstone player for you. He represents everything you want in the organization, and he's extremely productive. So I got to believe they want Michael Parsons to be with them for a long time, and I would think that it's better to try to get it done sooner rather than later.
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Dan Patrick
Okay, But Dan Orlofsky, Ross Tucker. In fact, Ross Tucker, last hour. Feel like Jerry loves the publicity that he gets with this. That, you know, this is. This is free advertising for The Cowboys that SportsCenter is leading with Micah Parsons, that, you know, he loves that, and you can almost become addicted to that. I don't know what role you think that plays in his negotiation game.
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Marvin
Well, he's a master marketer. I think we all know that. And his impact on the popularity of the NFL cannot be overstated. You and I both know his impact of TV deals in the 90s, his impact on marketing stadiums and how that's made a lot of owners, a lot of coaches, a lot of players, a hell of a lot of money for a lot of years. So he certainly gets that part of it. I don't think that's the driving motivation, because if it wasn't Micah Parsons, it would be something else with the Cowboys. Right? ESPN always leads with the Cowboys, you know, whatever the situation is. So I don't think that's a driving force necessarily for him. Maybe it's a byproduct of the approach he's taken, but he typically likes to wait on these things. He typically likes the player to come to the owner and sit down and talk and say, okay, how do we want to do this? He doesn't like to talk to agents necessarily about contracts. He likes to get to the point where Zach Martin or Tyron Smith or Zeke Elliott or DEZ Bryant, they sit down together and they figure it out. And that's not to say that the player goes in there uneducated, but Jerry just likes to have that individual relationship with the guy. And he's done that forever. He did it with Deion Sanders and Troy Aikman and Michael Irvin and all the guys back in the 90s. So it's just an approach that he takes. My concern is the more you wait, the more you pay.
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Dan Patrick
But he knows that though, Jason. Yeah, he's a brilliant businessman and we all say the same thing. It's going to cost you more. He waited for Dak and you know, that was the first Sunday of the NFL season, got that deal done. So he knows. He's repeated this. He does this. That's what I just don't understand the logic of. I'm going to pay more money. Okay. He's going to. He's going to sign Micah Parsons. Right. He's going to be the highest paid non quarterback in the NFL, NFL history. It's going to happen. He was going to sign Dak Prescott, he was going to sign CD Lamb. He. I mean, I don't understand the logic here of a guy, you know, who's a billionaire.
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Marvin
Yeah, maybe he thinks he's going to get a better deal the more he.
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Dan Patrick
Goes, but he doesn't get a better deal.
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Marvin
Yeah. And maybe he wants to see more evidence. You know, I'm just throwing those things out there, but I think you and I both know that it's probably better to get these guys signed earlier than later.
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Dan Patrick
Give me the team that you're curious about this season, either good or bad.
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Marvin
I'm curious about Washington. I just think they did a remarkable job last year. If you think about where that organization had been for so long. And it started at the top. It started with their owner, Daniel Snyder. There were a lot of really good coaches who went through there, a lot of really good players who went through there. And there were just so many obstacles to their having ultimate success. So Josh Harris comes in there and cleans the slate and then he brings Dan Quinn in, which I thought was a tremendous decision. A guy who can truly build a culture and get. And get a group of players and coaches in an organization working together the right way, then obviously they get Jayden Daniels. So, you know, the leadership in that organization, from top, from the ownership to the head coach to the quarterback, I think is really, really good, but it's hard to do what they did. And so, you know, everyone always says, hey, you regressed to the mean. I don't know if you do, I don't know if you don't, but. But I like what they're doing there. Philadelphia, obviously is the best team in that division. They're the best team in the NFL going into this thing. But I'm just curious to see if they can maintain it, and I'm betting on them because I really love the leadership and I like the team they're.
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Dan Patrick
Building, you know, back to doing it correctly. When it comes to contracts, many Eagles have been ahead of the curve. Like, they do it, you know, just like you were saying, they do it early. They don't. Howie Roseman does not mess around. He's like, that's our guy. We're going to sign him. We're going to sign him. And they got bargains with some of these guys.
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Marvin
Yeah, you know, they have been masterful. They really have. And, you know, having played them for years, being in the NFC east, you know, as a player and as a coach, you know, they've always been tough. They've always been a really good team. You know, Andy's teams that he had were phenomenal year after year, and then. Then certainly, you know, recently, with a couple Super Bowls, they've won. But, you know, I think maybe more than anything else, the most significant factor in all of that has been Howie Roseman, how they've built the teams. You know, they're right in their evaluations a lot. You know, whether they're drafting at the top of the draft, middle of the draft, end of the draft, whether it's a free agent signing, they're really, really good at the evaluation of the player. And then, like you said, they're constantly ahead of it. They're letting the one guy go. They got the new guy coming in. They've been right on the new guy. Think about their defense last year, the number of young players they had. You have to be great evaluators to be able to do that. And they've done it time and time again. And that obviously contributes to your ability to let guys go and be healthy under the salary cap and. And they've been the best in the league at it.
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Dan Patrick
Do you want to play starters in the preseason if you're a head coach?
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Marvin
I do. I do.
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Dan Patrick
Because I wonder about this. Yeah. It just doesn't feel like, to your point, getting together as a team and being able to practice, you know, Belichick would talk about. Brady talked about, they kind of treated the first couple of games of the regular season like that was their preseason. You know, the Bengals always get off to a slow start. I don't know if you change your philosophy and maybe you put added importance on the preseason games here. So I guess you know, coach by coach, but.
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Marvin
I'm such a big fan of preparing and you know, we talked about it earlier with the off season programs. I get a little concerned when you have a nine week off season program and you're not doing a lot of physical training together and you're doing some real light spring practices and then you get into training camp and you have ramp up periods, you don't have a lot of padded practices and you don't play anybody in the preseason and then all of a sudden in week one you say, okay, here we go. And you know, the mentality of the players is such that they're elite competitors and I just wonder if they're truly ready to compete at the level that they're going to try to in that first week. In the first few weeks, if you have, if you hadn't hardened them enough and they haven't calloused enough with their training and with them getting ready to play pro football. So we always believed in a ramp up period. We typically play our starters 6, 8, 10 plays in the first preseason game. Some guys, if they had an injury or something, you keep them out of it. But the next preseason game, there's a progression. You play 12, 15 plays and by the time you get to that week one, it's not a completely new experience. You've blocked people, you've tackled people and you're ready to go. And like I said, you're hardened a little bit, you're calloused a little bit. And I think that gives you a little more confidence too as you move around there and compete and play.
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Dan Patrick
Topic of conversation yesterday on sports radio, Nick Saban maybe going back into coaching and coaching in the NFL. So just speculation here, your thoughts on that possibility of going back into coaching and going into the NFL?
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Marvin
Yeah, I don't know if you know this, Dan, but my first coaching job was with Coach Saban. I was a quarterback coach in Miami, so I just retired from playing with the Dolphins and two weeks later he gets hired and I was his quarterback coach. So I was with him in that NFL experience and it was an amazing experience for me. I learned so much from him and I'm eternally grateful for that. You know, in the middle of it, I think he realized that in the NFL you get one first round pick a year and then if you go to a place like Alabama, you can get 10. And if you get 10 one year and you win a national championship, you're going to get 12 the next year. And so he believes strongly in Being relentless in recruiting and building, you know, teams and knowing that at the college level, it can perpetuate itself. Where in the NFL, if you have success, it goes the other way. You pick later, you have to pay guys more, all that kind of stuff. So I would think I would bet against that. If you're asking me, I say Coach Saban does not do that. I think he would do well. I believed he was going to do well in Miami before he took the Alabama job. But, you know, Ms. Terry is a very influential person in his life at this point. So, like he always says, I'm just going to go up to the lake. He's probably enjoying his time at espn, enjoying some time at the lake.
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Dan Patrick
Okay, but were you there when they bring in Dante Culpepper and you bring in Drew Brees and the Dolphins decided to go with Culpepper and Breeze, I guess, physically wasn't. He was a question mark. Is that accurate?
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Marvin
Yeah, I was the quarterback coach at that time.
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Dan Patrick
Did you make the decision that you said, let's go Culpepper over Breeze now?
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Marvin
It was an amazing experience on so many different levels. I could write a book about this. You know, Drew Brees is. Is something else. And, you know, he was an amazing college player, as we all know, and initially in San Diego had his struggles, but he started to emerge as the guy. And I think we saw that, and we're excited about it. But, you know, we were all in on Brees. And then ultimately there was a medical decision that said he's got a 75% tear of his rotator cuff and he wants $8 million guaranteed, and we're not doing it. So it kind of became out of our hands. But he was so much fun to visit with. I'll never forget. We picked him up, we took a plane to New Orleans. We picked him up, brought him to Miami, and just had a hell of a time with him. And, you know, it was one of those things where you have to respect the injury, but if you were betting on a guy to be able to overcome an injury, he's the guy that could do it. And obviously he was able to do it. He only threw for 80,000 yards after the surgery, so he was something else. And there was a good story about that. You know, we went to dinner with him, and Wayne Huizenga was the owner of the team. And I'll never forget it. You know, Wayne sat next to him and his wife at dinner, and I never forget him saying to me afterwards, you know, I'm out of the football evaluation business. But I'll tell you what, I'm betting on this guy. He's something else. And so for him to make that evaluation just based on visiting with Drew Brees tells you a lot about both those guys. And then we were there ultimately when we signed Dante. And Dante was an amazing player, but his movement was such a big part of his game. And after he had the knee injury, he really couldn't move and it was harder for him to play the way he was capable of playing before. So obviously that didn't work out real well for any of us.
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Dan Patrick
Great to catch up with you. Thanks for joining us. We'll talk to you soon.
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Marvin
Yeah. Always enjoy it.
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Dan Patrick
Thank you. That's Jason Garrett, football Night in America analyst, also Notre Dame football analyst as well. Yeah. You look at the careers that were changed. NFL history was changed by going with Dante Culpepper instead of Drew Brees. Who knows how much longer that Saban would have stayed with the Dolphins. Drew Brees career. Yeah, Paulie.
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Paul Pabst
The direction of college football for the next 15 years.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, yeah. Changed. Changed a lot. Changed a lot. All right, last call for phone calls. What we learn what's in store tomorrow after this. FOX Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@fox sportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live is moderate.
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Paul Pabst
There are many versions of what happened in 1969 when a young Ted Kennedy drove a car into a pond and.
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Narrator
Left a woman behind to drown. There's a famous headline, I think in the New York Daily News, it's Teddy Escapes Blonde Drowns. And in a strange way, right, that sort of tells you the story really became about Ted's political future, Ted's political hopes. Will Ted become President?
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Dan Patrick
Kappaquiddick is a story of a tragic.
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Paul Pabst
Death and how the Kennedy machine took control.
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Narrator
And he's not the only Kennedy to survive a scandal.
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Paul Pabst
The Kennedys have lived through disgrace, affairs, violence, you name it. So is there a curse? Every week we go behind the headlines and beyond the drama of America's royal family.
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Narrator
Listen to United States of Kennedy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Paul Pabst
American history is full of wise people.
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Dan Patrick
Walt Whitman said something like, you know.
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Narrator
99.99% of war is diarrhea and 1% is gory. Those Founding Fathers were gossipy AF, and they love to cut each other down.
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Paul Pabst
I'm Bob Crawford, host of American History Hotline, the show where you send us your questions about American history, and I find the answers, including the nuggets of wisdom our history has to offer.
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Dan Patrick
Hamilton pauses and then he says, the greatest man that ever lived was Julius Caesar. And Jefferson writes in his diary, this proves that Hamilton is for a dictator based on corruption. My favorite line was what Neil Armstrong said. It would have been harder to fake it than to do it.
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Paul Pabst
Listen to American History Hotline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Narrator
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Dan Patrick
First ever two night Summer Slam. John Cena, Cody Rhodes, more of WWE's biggest superstars take over MetLife Stadium. That'll be August 2nd and Sunday, August 3rd at 6 Eastern on Peacock, our streaming partner. A couple of phone calls in here. C and Glendora joining us on the program. What's on your mind? Hey, what's up Ben? Good to be back. Six, I think six. One now going down but I dropped, dropped down at 2:30, so that's 30 pounds since I last talked on your show. Hey, Dan, So quick, a couple quick things. Can, can people stop singing along with Pandora in the morning when you do that start of the day? Because sometimes I'm just getting out of my bed and that just gets my gate going. But when people start singing along with her, it just kind of messes things up, you know. Okay. To stop singing along with Pandora. Yeah. The other thing is, is we, we talk about that, we talk about this Jordan or this top 10 list of all time. But I mean when you ask, a lot of people think the majority of the population thinks that Jordan's the greatest. But when you ask him, he's, he, he tells you who's closest to him. It's Kobe Bryant. And that's fine. Just leave it like that. You don't have, there doesn't have to be a top 10 list. But wouldn't you want to be part of that list if, I mean, wouldn't you want to be number two? I mean if God asked you can you be Jesus? Would you do that? I mean, what. Well, I don't know if God is asking if you want to be Jesus, but I kind of get what you're talking about. Thank you for the phone call there. Yeah. Well, Mike is saying Kobe is most like him, but like Kareem's not, LeBron's not, Magic's not, Larry's not. I mean, nobody really played the way Mike did. Kobe wanted to play like that. He was open, honest about it. I think that's why he said he's the closest to me. Yes, he's trying to be a mirror image of you. Mike in Wisconsin. Hi, Mike. What's on your mind?
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Marvin
Hey, good morning, fellas. Kind of that same topic, that top 100 list got me thinking that I.
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Paul Pabst
Think throughout history there's kind of one.
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Dan Patrick
Player from each sport that if you.
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Marvin
Said to the casual fan, you know.
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Dan Patrick
Name me a basketball player, it's probably.
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Marvin
Going to be Jordan. Name me a golfer, it's going to be Tiger football. Sorry, Tom Brady, you know, one that.
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Dan Patrick
Sent me, though I don't. Is there somebody like that for baseball?
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Marvin
And who, who would that be?
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Dan Patrick
So modern era, if I say baseball, who comes to mind? Marvin, you got a name? Only personally. Barry Bonds.
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Paul Pabst
Okay, Paulie, same thing. For a number of reasons, Barry Bonds is a household name.
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Dan Patrick
Todd, you got a baseball name. If I just say baseball, like if we say golf and you say Tiger basketball, you say Michael. From baseball player from any generation now, I probably.
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Paul Pabst
I'd say Ohtani would be the first.
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Dan Patrick
Name that comes to my mind.
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Paul Pabst
As far as just most current.
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Dan Patrick
Satan, you got one, obviously. Steve Balboni, of course. Bye bye Balboni. Bye bye. Obviously, of course, this day in sports history.
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Marvin
Paul.
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Paul Pabst
2005, Lance Armstrong won his seventh Tour de France in 1984. Terry Bradshaw retires from the National Football.
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Dan Patrick
League on this date. 1983, George Brett's home run against the Yankees disallowed due to too much pine tar. They eventually came back on August 18 and ruled that Brett's home run stands and the Royals won that game. 5, 4. What did I learn on today's program? Todd Ross Tucker believes Bill Belichick is.
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Paul Pabst
More likely to coach in the NFL.
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Dan Patrick
Again than Nick Saban. Most cars on the road could use little tlc. At Mako, they bring your car back to life. Affordable paint jobs like collision repairs. Get a free estimate today. Uh oh, better get Mako. We'll talk to Derrick Henry on the program and Shooter McGavin. Christopher McDonald will join us as well. Hope you'll stop by on Meet Friday for Todd Seaton, Marv, Paulie, yours truly. We'll talk to you tomorrow. Have a great day.
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Narrator
Join iHeartRadio and Sarah Spain in celebrating the one year anniversary of iHeart Women's Sports with powerful interviews and insider analysis.
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Dan Patrick
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Narrator
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Dan Patrick
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Narrator
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Paul Pabst
And our founding sponsors E L F.
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Dan Patrick
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Narrator
Just open the free iHeart app and search iHeart Women's Sports to listen now. In 2020, a group of young women found themselves in an AI fueled nightmare. Someone was posting photos.
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Dan Patrick
It was just me naked.
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Paul Pabst
Well, not me, but me with someone else's body parts.
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Narrator
This is Levittown, a new podcast from iHeart podcasts Bloomberg and Kaleidoscope about the rise of deep fake pornography and the battle to stop it. Listen to Levittown on Bloomberg's Big Take podcast. Find it on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Just like great shoes, great books take you places through unforgettable love stories and into conversations with characters you'll never forget. I think any good romance, it gives me this feeling of like butterflies. I'm Danielle Robaix and this is bookmarked by Reese's Book Club, the new podcast from hello Sunshine and iHeart podcast where we dive into the stories that shape us on the page and off. Each week I'm joined by authors, celebs, book talk, stars and more for conversations that will make you laugh, cry and add way too many books to your TBR pile. Listen to Bookmarked by Reese's Book Club on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. So what happened at Chappaquiddick? Well, it really depends on who you talk to.
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Paul Pabst
There are many versions of what happened in 1969 when a young Ted Kennedy drove a car into a PO and.
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Narrator
Left a woman behind to drown.
- [58:20]
Paul Pabst
Chappaquiddick is a story of a tragic.
- [58:22]
Narrator
Death and how the Kennedy machine took control.
- [58:25]
Paul Pabst
Every week we go behind the headlines and beyond the drama of America's royal family.
- [58:29]
Narrator
Listen to United States of Kennedy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Paul Pabst
I'm Bob Crawford, host of American History Hotline, a different type of podcast. You, the listener ask the questions.
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Marvin
Did George Washington really cut down a cherry tree?
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Narrator
Were JFK and Marilyn Monroe having an affair?
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Paul Pabst
And I find the answers. I'm so glad you asked me this question.
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Narrator
This is such a ridiculous story.
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Paul Pabst
You can listen to American History Hotline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Narrator
This is an iHeart podcast.