Hour 3- NFL training camp headlines ,  Matt Damon dramatic change for movie roles

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show — Hour 3 (July 22, 2026)

Host: Dan Patrick | Network: iHeartPodcasts / Dan Patrick Podcast Network

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Episode Overview

In this hour, Dan Patrick and his crew explore the latest NFL training camp headlines, deep-dive into the evolving landscape of college football, and welcome ESPN’s Vincent Goodwill for NBA offseason chatter, with a focus on LeBron James’ possible destinations. The show also blends in its trademark humor, playful banter, and pop culture tangents, including a spirited discussion about music at the cookout and movie theater habits. Matt Damon’s dramatic physical changes for acting roles are teased for the following episode.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

1. College Football’s Realignment & the SEC (03:00–10:52)

• SEC Media Days & Realignment Rumors

  • Dan discusses chatter at SEC media days about the conference possibly breaking away from the NCAA football structure.
  • SEC Commissioner Greg Sankey’s comments:

    “Those comments represent a high level of frustration with the circumstance in which we find ourselves.” (04:54)

  • Dan sharply questions the wisdom and optics of the SEC “taking its ball and going home,” especially after several years without national titles.

• The New World of College Recruiting

  • Non-SEC schools like USC, Oregon, Ohio State, Notre Dame, and Miami now dominate recruiting, a major shift.
  • Dan critiques the rise of enormous booster-driven pay (“payrolls of $40 million now”), doubts its sustainability, and suggests analogies to pro-team ownership.
  • Proposes a limit to college athlete transfers and decries the lack of guardrails versus professional standards:

    “I don’t want it capped. We don’t cap a coach’s salary... But I do think we have to have some kind of guardrails here, because right now we don’t.” (08:14)

• Senator Tommy Tuberville’s “Student Athlete Act”

  • Discussed as a likely incoming reform: “You’ll have five years to compete... one free transfer. He doesn’t want 25-year-olds playing.” (10:52)

Notable Quote

• “This is the bully who dominated until somebody punched him in the nose. You’ve had three years where you haven’t even been in the national title game.” — Dan Patrick (06:27)

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2. Coaching Optimism & Kentucky Football (11:43–14:49)

• New Kentucky football coach Will Stein’s confidence is compared to Indiana’s Kurt Signetti:

  “Why do you think you can win big here?”
  “This is going to sound like really... I think because of me, to be honest. I think I know what it takes.” (11:51–12:05)

• Panel discusses the importance of vision in college leadership, comparing winning belief to media attitudes and how sports soundbites can backfire.

Memorable Exchange

• “Do I want to play for a coach who thinks that way or one who goes, now, let’s be realistic here. We’re a basketball school... I want somebody who’s going to at least dream, because if he ain’t dreaming, I’m not dreaming.” — Dan Patrick (12:14)

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3. World Cup & The Fandom of Soccer (15:01–16:41)

• Poll: Has the 2026 World Cup increased fandom for soccer?
  • Majority felt “the same,” likening World Cup engagement to Olympics viewing—more about moments than lifelong support.
  • Dan dreams about seeing matches in European football meccas.

Notable Quote

• “You get caught up in anything when you have atmosphere. This was college football, but it meant even more than college football does.” — Dan Patrick (15:30)

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4. NBA Offseason: LeBron James’ Next Move (26:14–38:10)

Guest: Vincent Goodwill, ESPN NBA Senior Writer

• Music & Pop Culture Banter

  • Panel muses about which “white bands” get played at Black cookouts, with appearances by Bobby Caldwell, Steely Dan, Michael McDonald, and Toto.

• Miami Heat’s ‘Accidental’ Social Media Gaffe

  • Discussion of a Heat social media post hinting at a July 27 event—fueling speculation about a LeBron announcement.

  “I think that’s what the Miami Heat did…preparation for something happening, because none of us really know.” — Vincent Goodwill (26:32)

• LeBron’s Decision & Media Strategy

  • Speculation over LeBron’s next team: Miami, Cleveland, or Philadelphia.
  • Goodwill thinks Miami remains the best “basketball fit” due to their infrastructure and defensive strengths.

    “The Miami Heat have the infrastructure…The one thing you don’t want LeBron to have to do at his age is play a whole lot of defense.” (31:28)

  • Attention as a commodity: LeBron and Rich Paul "love attention—not money, not anything else. Attention is the number one thing." (29:42)

• NBA Team-Building: Knicks as a New Model

  • Knicks built around Jalen Brunson’s strengths, serving as a modern model for leaning into a star’s strengths and finding the right pieces.

• Lakers & Luka Doncic Era

  • Analysis that the post-LeBron Lakers are better in terms of direction but remain just a second-round ceiling.

    “At least they have a direction.” — Paulie (35:29)

• Closing Predictions

  • Goodwill: expects LeBron’s decision to be announced on Instagram, but isn’t placing bets.
  • Dan: “If the NBA could place LeBron, they’d want him in Miami. LeBron is must-see TV.” (38:12)

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5. Listener Calls & Other Sports Headlines (44:12–49:28)

• LeBron to Miami? (44:12)
  • Caller cracks a “Preparation H” joke about the Heat’s social media slip.
• Ja Morant’s Potential in Portland (45:31)
  • Debated whether Ja can realize his potential with better mentorship, likening his trajectory to Zion Williamson—a talent not to be wasted.

Memorable Quote

• “With all that talent, people expect you to be great. We have forgotten about you. We should not be forgetting about somebody as talented as that, like Zion Williamson.” — Dan Patrick (45:52)

• What Sports Offers that Real Life Doesn’t (49:28)

  • Caller asks: What can society learn from sports?
  • Dan: “It’s not scripted…Every time somebody says someone doesn’t have a chance, I correct them—they do have a chance. That’s what makes sports great.” (49:28)

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6. Movie Chatter & Matt Damon Tease (43:21–43:46)

• Quick IMAX movie review segment—Dan remains a strong advocate for the theatrical experience.
• Preview: Matt Damon (and his dedication to extreme roles) will be the featured guest on tomorrow’s show.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|---------|-------| | 04:54 | Greg Sankey (via Dan Patrick paraphrase) | “Those comments represent a high level of frustration with the circumstance in which we find ourselves.” | | 06:27 | Dan Patrick | “This is the bully who dominated until somebody punched him in the nose. You’ve had three years where you haven’t even been in the national title game.” | | 11:51 | Will Stein | “This is going to sound like really... I think because of me, to be honest.” | | 29:42 | Vincent Goodwill | “The number one currency in today’s culture is attention. Not money, not anything else. Attention is the number one thing.” | | 31:28 | Vincent Goodwill | “The Miami Heat have the infrastructure…The one thing you don’t want LeBron to have to do at his age is play a whole lot of defense.” | | 49:28 | Dan Patrick | “It’s not scripted... Every time somebody says someone doesn’t have a chance, I correct them—they do have a chance. That’s what makes sports great.” |

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• College Football Realignment / SEC Frustration: 03:00–10:52
• Coaching Optimism / Kentucky Football: 11:43–14:49
• World Cup & Soccer Fandom: 15:01–16:41
• NBA Offseason w/ Vincent Goodwill: 26:14–38:10
• Listener Calls, Ja Morant, Sports & Society: 44:12–49:28
• Matt Damon Preview: 43:21–43:46

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

• Candid, humorous, and always ready to poke fun at sports culture.
• Equally comfortable swinging from SEC policy to NBA rumor games to pop culture.
• Listener engagement is highly valued—calls are treated as springboards for larger, thoughtful sports philosophy.
• The hour closes with anticipation for NFL training camp discussions and tomorrow’s in-depth chat with Matt Damon.

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Dan Patrick]

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[Paulie]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Paulie]

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[Dylan]

We have Korean barbecue pizza.

[Paulie]

Okay.

[Dylan]

Meatball ricotta pizza.

[Paulie]

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[Dylan]

And then, as Todd calls it, a lazy classic cheese pizza.

[Paulie]

I said lazy. Uninspired.

[Dylan]

Oh, yes, uninspired.

[Paulie]

But you know what? You can tell a lot about a pizzeria. Buy just the cheese pizza. Yeah. Still. Yeah.

[Dylan]

Like, when people want recommendations for some of the New Haven pizza spots, I usually say, like, get whatever, but also get just like, the plain old cheese or the tomato pie, which is underrated.

[Paulie]

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[Caller/Guest]

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[Paulie]

Stat of the day brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards of the Dan Patrick Show. Sunday night baseball on NBC. And Peacock. The Yankees and the Phillies. It's a interleague battle, and it's in Philadelphia. NBC, Peacock, Sunday night. You can also watch this show on Peacock. Download the app if you haven't done so today, the SEC does a lot of great things. They know how to put on a press conference or the SEC media days. I still think they should do the Real Housewives of the sec. Like, just. Let's just embrace it. There's always storylines you could have, you know, Wags, coaches Wags. And I think it would be great. Lane Kiffin is going to have his day today. SEC media day. I don't know what to expect from Lane, but that's the beauty of Lane Kiffin. You're never quite sure. I'm sure that he'll dump on Ole Miss maybe one more time, maybe accidentally, and then talk about his chances at lsu. But SEC media day and Greg Sankey, who is a frequent guest on this show, the SEC commissioner was asked, okay, here's the question. How real are the conversations within the SEC about potentially breaking away from the college structure and it being used as leverage? In the conversations you're having with Congress about the bill, here is Greg Sankey. So you phrase the question of how real. So I'll take that as like, real or not real.

[Paulie (possibly a different Paulie or analyst)]

So they're real.

[Paulie]

People have talked about that. They've opined about the frustrations that bring them to the point of saying we should look at something significantly different. I do not believe that is a leverage point. I think that's just honest communication. I would prefer that stay in a meeting room or on a video conference and not be part of the D1 ticker the next morning, but I don't control all of that. Eddie, what I think is important is those comments represent a high level of frustration with the circumstance in which we find ourselves. Okay, I don't know what the follow up was after that, but I would certainly have a follow up to say, what are those frustrations here? This, this is a conference that's built its reputation on proving it's the best in the country. Stepping away from the rest of college football sends a weak message. You know, this is the bully who dominated until somebody punched him in the nose. You've had three years where you haven't even been in the national title game, let alone win a national title. Sec, nothing to prove historically, but if you still want to be the bully on the block, then you need to find different ways to keep your recruits or don't lose these big names to other schools. And I'm, I'm going to look at the recruiting this year. 2026 recruiting class. Five of the top seven classes are teams outside the SEC. That doesn't normally happen. USC, Oregon, Ohio State, Notre Dame and Miami. The two SEC schools, Alabama and Tennessee. Now Alabama needed to step up their game because I think that's where Nick Saban saw this. He knew what was happening and he knew he didn't have the resources. You had the players. And before nil and transfer, you were able to get those players. Georgia the same way. It's different now. Now these schools think if I'm a booster, a big time booster and I go Indiana won a national championship, here's $20 million and, and, and these are the guys that can't be an owner in an NFL. This is your chance to be an owner ish of a football team. I'm going to be the guy, I'm the benefactor. I'm going to help you. And it feels like you have more and more schools who were doing this or at least entertaining the idea that why not us? Indiana did it, why not us Michigan, Ohio State, we understand that. But you know, you got payrolls of $40 million now. This is nothing. I don't know how sustainable it is. Even basketball, you're spending $20 million and I don't know when it stops because the money is going to continue to increase. How much money you're going to spend. A couple of things that I would love to talk to Greg Sankey and some of the other commissioners about is let's say we limit the number of times you can transfer. You can do it, you can transfer once, no penalty whatsoever. The next time you have to sit out a year. Now that is being proposed if the kids are going to make money. How much money? I don't want it capped. I don't think that's fair. We don't cap a coach's salary. These guys are the ones who are out on the football field. But I, but I do think that we have to have some kind of guardrails here, because right now we don't. And I think where we're headed is what concerns me now. Do I think we're eventually going to get to the have and have nots? Yes, I do. Particularly with football, where we're going to have maybe 40 schools, maybe 30, and that 30 will be a model of the Premier League or be a model of the NFL. And you're just going to say this is the money that you have to play with and transfer. You can do one transfer. I mean, you got kids who are transferring three and four times. And I, I think if we're going to. And I, I know I sound like an old man and I am. You still got to think about the college education part of this. It is still college. Okay, I know chancellor's, presidents, athletic directors sometimes don't act that way, but you still.

[Dan Patrick]

It.

[Paulie]

Maybe it's just an illusion. Give me the idea that college still matters and education still matters. And as I've said many times, when's. Tell me the next time somebody is academically ineligible during a football season. Doesn't happen because no, I don't think anybody cares. Hey, you're just passing through and we're using you as you pass through. That's not what college is all about. But if you want to try to have guardrails, great, good luck with that. But the SEC saying we're going to take our ball and go home, that's not an answer. And I understand what Greg Psaki is saying. Hey, has it been discussed? Yes. Would I prefer it stayed discussed in closed doors, closed quarters? Now it gets out and it's like, oh, SEC wants to secede. But he did talk about it. So he's on record as talking about him. But I look forward to whatever Lane Kiffin has to say about his new job at LSU and that old job at Ole Miss.

[Paulie (possibly a different Paulie or analyst)]

Yes, Paul, About a month ago, Senator Tuberville, Tommy Tuberville, the former Auburn head coach, he proposed the Student athlete Act of 2026. And a lot of it is what you just said. You will have five years to compete and graduate in college football. You'll have one free transfer. He doesn't want 25 year olds playing in the sport. And I think he's going to get a lot of support for that as a concept.

[Paulie]

Well, he will, because who's going to be against this? The players and the agents. That's it. Coaches are going to be like, yes, finally I get to control my program here. Athletic directors, fans, you're going to be like, yeah, you can't transfer. You got to stay here. But everybody, I think not everybody, but you got a lot of these coaches who are allowed to dream because Indiana won a national championship. Here is Will Stein, the Kentucky head coach.

[Paulie (possibly a different Paulie or analyst)]

Kentucky, historically, has fought against the narrative, against perception.

[Paulie]

Why do you think you can win big here?

[Vincent Goodwill]

This is going to sound like really. I think because of me, to be honest.

[Caller/Guest]

I think it's me.

[Vincent Goodwill]

I think I know what it takes.

[Caller/Guest]

I've seen it at the highest levels.

[Paulie]

I know what it takes to recruit at this level.

[Vincent Goodwill]

And you just gotta believe, man, you just gotta put the ball down and play.

[Caller/Guest]

There's not really else to be said. Is it gonna happen overnight? I don't know.

[Paulie]

Go ahead. You know, what do you got to lose? Somebody's gonna come back and say, and you thought Kentucky could compete? What were you thinking? Do I want to play for a coach who thinks that way or one who goes, now, let's be realistic here. We're a basketball school. We're not very good at football. I want somebody who's going to at least dream, because if he ain't dreaming, I'm not dreaming. Yeah, Paulie, I love it.

[Paulie (possibly a different Paulie or analyst)]

Will Stein is channeling Kurt Signetti. Two years ago, when he was introduced at Indiana, he said, it's pretty simple. I win. Google me. That was his line, and he caught heat for that that day.

[Paulie]

But if you googled him, he does win. So when somebody says Indiana won the national championship. Kurt Signetti. And Indiana won the national championship because he brought players from James Madison already indoctrinated into his system. That helped them get a head start. He's bringing in proven players, quality players. They hit the ground running, and then they got their quarterback in, Fernando Mendoza. Anybody could have gotten him. He played a cow. Yes, Todd. But that soundbite can really come back and haunt you, though. Whatever little positive you can get for, like, I told you so if the team does well, it's that much worse. If things do not go well, how worse could it get? People make fun of Kentucky football to begin with. So what, they're going to pile on and say, you won four games and you thought you can compete. Yes, yes. And I still think we can compete. Yes.

[Dylan]

Martin.

[Vincent Goodwill]

Yeah, the thing about Kentucky football, they don't have to win the national championship if they can win nine or 10 games consistently. You know, that's a lifetime contract down there.

[Paulie]

We don't win the sports Emmy, but I still think we're the best show on tv. Somebody might say, oh, come on. Yeah, I believe in, in who we are and what we do. We don't win. Yes.

[Dylan]

Dylan Willstein did play at Louisville, though, which. So kind of a turncoat move to be coaching Kentucky right now.

[Paulie]

I think that's long gone. Yeah.

[Dylan]

Yeah.

[Paulie]

With Patino, Kentucky and Louisville. Yes, Paulie.

[Paulie (possibly a different Paulie or analyst)]

Kentucky football has two 10 win seasons in the past 50 years, both in the past 10 years under Mark Stoops.

[Paulie]

All right. Yes, Todd. But you don't refer to the sports Emmy as. You refer to it as a group effort. I've never heard you say, and if we win the sports Emmy, it's because of what a great interviewer and host I am. Well, that's kind of what the Kentucky guy is saying. Well, no, that would be true. I just don't say, which I appreciate that you would verbalize that you could think what you want, but it doesn't come out off very well if you'd say that. Thank you, Todd. Thank you. Poll question for from hour one. And what about hour two, Dylan?

[Dylan]

Well, Dan, post 2026 World Cup, I'm much more of a soccer fan. A bit more interested or feeling the same. 63% are feeling exactly the same.

[Paulie (possibly a different Paulie or analyst)]

Okay.

[Paulie]

I'm not surprised because I liken it to the Olympics. We love the Olympics. We don't follow Olympic sports when the Olympics aren't happening. I don't know if anybody's watching judo, jujitsu, track and field. I think we're just fascinated because it's on, it's presented so well. There's always great stories, the timing of it. They're in beautiful places, beautiful pictures. You know, that's, that's what we do. But I mean, am I more of a soccer fan after the World Cup? No. Am I more of a soccer fan in the last five years? Absolutely. Absolutely. And so much so that when I retire, I hope to go to a couple of matches at the Premier League and maybe do something in Barcelona or Madrid or. I mean, I'm, I love the atmosphere. I think you get caught up in anything when you have atmosphere. I mean, this was college football, but it even, it meant even more than college football does. Yes.

[Dylan]

Dylan, why do you have to wait for retirement? Why don't we do a squad Premier League. I mean, Barcelona trip would be great.

[Paulie]

Okay, why don't you finance it? You let me know. I'll be happy to go.

[Dylan]

Oh, that wasn't part of the deal.

[Paulie]

Yeah, yeah. Why don't you, why don't you, why don't you hit a few bets for a change? Throwing a burner.

[Dylan]

I'm going in the wrong direction.

[Paulie]

Yes. Yeah, that's true. Like I. We lose money with you.

[Dylan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Paulie]

All right. Vincent Goodwill Jr III, on loan for the mothership, will join us. Just an accident with the Miami Heat. Social media putting out that date. Was it July 27th? And I went, oh, maybe they made a mistake of putting it out. But did they miss. Made a mistake with the July 27th. That's what I took away from that social media post that was quickly taken down. We'll take a break. More phone calls as well. And the storylines from NFL training camps will have that for you as well. Back after this. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio in the iHeartRadio app. Fox Sports Radio is taking over YouTube and you can be a part of it. Just go to YouTube and search Fox Sports Radio. Hit that subscribe button and smash that notification bell and catch all the videos from your favorite shows. Two pros and a cup of Joe. Dan Patrick, Colin Cowherd, Stu Gotzon, company Lie, Covino and Rich, The Odd Couple with Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington, the Jason Smith show with Mike Harmon and the Ben Maller Show. Fox sports radio on YouTube. Subscribe. Hit that thumbs up icon and comment away.

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[Paulie]

I'm so excited. On the bouncy bed, you have surprises, many surprises.

[Dan Patrick]

Welcome to suite 305, where the group chat comes to life. What up?

[Paulie]

Hola, amiga.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Nick Turturro]

I'm Nick Turturro. You probably know me from NYPD Blue, the Longest Yard or Spike Lee's blackkklansman. But I'm also from Queens, which means I know pizza. And on my new podcast, Delivering Happiness with Nick Turturro, I deliver pizza from Prince Street Pizza to A new guest.

[Vincent Goodwill]

You deliver pizza now.

[Nick Turturro]

Then we sit down for a real conversation. I've shared a slice with everyone from Seth Rollins.

[Vincent Goodwill]

What are you doing with my belt?

[Nick Turturro]

To Alex Rodriguez. Just to let you people know, we're talking to one of the goats here. To Bill Burr. I don't think I've ever met somebody

[Paulie]

so exactly out of their mind as I am.

[Nick Turturro]

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This is Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea. Every week the news gets worse, the world gets crazier, and Yamanika is here to tell whoever's responsible, you're the problem.

[Dan Patrick]

If you come over here to play games, I'mma check you, okay? If you do some in the news that don't sound good, I'mma play you.

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Chelsea Handler / Yamaneika Saunders]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Chelsea Handler / Yamaneika Saunders]

So join Yamaneika each episode as she answers one question. Who's the problem?

[Dan Patrick]

I'm Yamanika, and I'm out. Listen to youo're the Problem with yamaneika on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or. Or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? I'm sports journalist Ari Chambers. Hey, what's up, y'?

[Caller/Guest]

All?

[Dan Patrick]

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[Paulie]

It's gonna be played at the cookout when I show up. Right, Marv?

[Vincent Goodwill]

Oh, without question. It's a one seed.

[Paulie]

This is Bobby Caldwell.

[Vincent Goodwill]

It is.

[Paulie]

Yeah.

[Vincent Goodwill]

It's like James of Virginia. Esque.

[Paulie]

Yeah.

[Vincent Goodwill]

But we thought he was black for a long time.

[Paulie]

When. When did you find out that he was white?

[Vincent Goodwill]

Probably in my early 20s.

[Paulie]

Did you see, like, an album cover?

[Vincent Goodwill]

Yeah, So I saw a YouTube of somebody saying, you know, he's white. And they're doing. Because Anthony Anderson, when we saw him in Tahoe.

[Paulie]

Yes.

[Vincent Goodwill]

He sang this at the celebrity karaoke, and he talked about the album was a silhouette.

[Paulie]

Yes, Paulie.

[Paulie (possibly a different Paulie or analyst)]

I was in the same boat. I'd heard of Bobby Caldwell when I was young. I knew nothing about him. He kind of looks like one of the Gibb brothers, if you want to picture him and the backstory of his musical influences. His mother was a real estate agent, and one of her clients was Bob Marley, and he got to know Bob Marley. Part of his influences.

[Paulie]

He doesn't sing like Bob Marley. I Shot the Sheriff. No Woman, no cries. Great song. Yeah.

[Paulie (possibly a different Paulie or analyst)]

Paulie, could you do us a movie off the Bobby Caldwell story? A guy becomes famous as a singer, R B, and then he has to hide his whiteness. I think Will Ferrell would be great for this.

[Paulie]

Yeah, okay.

[Paulie (possibly a different Paulie or analyst)]

No, I think it's gold.

[Paulie]

Yeah. Okay. You go with it. You raise some money there. You know, I do have people who say, hey, can you set up a call with Will Ferrell? Like, people I know, they go, I got a story idea. And I go, you know how I stay friends with Adam Sandler and Will Ferrell? By not doing those things. But these. These are friends of mine who go, okay, I got this idea. And then they'll tell me the idea, and then I'll go, no, no. Vincent Goodwill has been at a cookout when Bobby Caldwell's playing, probably dancing slow dance into that. Yeah, okay. Right.

[Vincent Goodwill]

Not contrary. Oh, to the belief all black people can't dance.

[Paulie]

You can't dance.

[Vincent Goodwill]

I got rhythm. I can't dance. There's a difference. I can move, but my feet don't exactly match up the way that they need to match up.

[Paulie]

Yes. Yes, Marvin.

[Vincent Goodwill]

So, Vinnie, are you A master of the two steps. I stay in the box.

[Caller/Guest]

Like.

[Vincent Goodwill]

Like, just like on Hitch. You stay in the box, you don't get outside the box.

[Paulie]

I respect that because I don't know if I have rhythm and I can't dance either, so I have rhythm.

[Vincent Goodwill]

And we do love Bobby Caldwell at the.

[Paulie]

At the cookout.

[Vincent Goodwill]

Yeah, we do. We. We play another song called My Flame. Go check that one out, guys.

[Paulie]

And that's by Bobby Caldwell.

[Vincent Goodwill]

By Bobby. Called.

[Paulie]

Okay.

[Vincent Goodwill]

You would think it was a brother singing it.

[Paulie]

Okay, give me another band that I would be like a white band or white artist that I might be surprised. Gets played at the Cookout.

[Paulie (possibly a different Paulie or analyst)]

Huh?

[Vincent Goodwill]

That's an interesting one. I was going to say Mariah Carey, but she's. She's one of ours.

[Paulie]

Yes. Is that official? Mariah Carey? If there was a draft, she's one of yours?

[Vincent Goodwill]

Yeah, she. She belongs to us.

[Paulie]

Okay, fair enough.

[Vincent Goodwill]

One drop rules.

[Paulie]

Yes. Marvin, if any.

[Vincent Goodwill]

I was gonna say Toto, specifically Georgie Porgy, that. That would definitely work too. Yeah, that's on the list.

[Paulie]

Yeah, but you can't do Africa.

[Vincent Goodwill]

Heck no.

[Paulie]

Especially that. That video is terrible. Terrible. Oh, I got one for you, Steely Dan.

[Vincent Goodwill]

Steely Dan is definitely played at the Cookout. I'm with you on that one.

[Paulie]

What about Rick Astley?

[Vincent Goodwill]

Ah, that is kind of one of those. Depends on what type of cookout. If it's a mixed cookout.

[Paulie]

Okay. Because. And if you're not familiar with Rick Astley, he sounds like this. It would take a strong, strong man to ever let you go.

[Vincent Goodwill]

Michael McDonald.

[Paulie]

Oh, Mike.

[Dylan]

Yeah.

[Vincent Goodwill]

You know what I mean?

[Paulie]

Yeah, yeah, I'm good with Mike. All right, so Vincent Goodwill, ESPN NBA senior writer. You can see him on NBA Today and get up. And he's working all this week as we wait, we wait for LeBron. What did the Miami Heat do yesterday?

[Vincent Goodwill]

Well, the queen, first off, the queen of play to the Cookout. Tina Marie. All right, that's what we gonna start. And that's where it finishes. But as far as what the Miami Heat did yesterday, they did what we used to do at newspapers, Dan. We would have obituaries planned for people who were still alive. And imagine being like a 22 year old and you stumble upon a file of, you know, people like Ernie Harwell being dead and Ernie Harwell is still alive and stuff like that. You're like, who are we killing here? I think that's what the Miami Heat did. And I guarantee you, if the Miami Heat knew that LeBron was coming and they Had a press conference plan for July 27. The person who knew would not be their social media person, because I guarantee you they'd be leaking it for some money to, like, TMZ or something like that. So I just think it was in preparation of something happening, because none of us really know.

[Paulie]

And, look, I respect you. When Fritzi reaches out and says, do you know anything you want to. Come on, you go, I don't have anything for you. But I also wonder about this, though, Vinnie. July 27th, that's what stood out. That it was the date, not, you know, maybe the procedure or the mistake that Miami. I don't know if these teams are told July 27 is when rich Paul says that we'll make our decision. So I don't know if that's just random, but that's what stood out for me with this.

[Vincent Goodwill]

I mean, look, give it to LeBron to keep building suspense throughout this NBA offseason. The fact that a lot of people can't go on vacation. So if there's an end to this, even this is just an end date. If July 27th is the end date, then that means executives can go on vacation. People like us can start stepping away a little bit and paying attention to other things. So, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if you told me he pulled a Brett Favre and just showed up at training camp on September 26 after media day or whatever it was with the team he was going to show up with. I won't be surprised with that either.

[Paulie]

Why does Rich Paul do interviews? He doesn't really say anything, but, like, what's the purpose of Rich Paul, LeBron's agent, going on McAfee?

[Vincent Goodwill]

I mean, Rich Paul has his own podcast with Max Kellerman. They're doing. I saw some screenshot a few minutes ago of them and Bill Simmons together. I think it's all everything and everybody becoming a brand. And once again, if LeBron is not going to say anything, then Rich Paul basically having the whiteboard behind him of teams and their. Their pros and cons. It's a brilliant marketing strategy from someone that we know loves the attention. If there's one thing that we know about LeBron James, you can debate him as one of the best players of all time or whatever it is, but we all know for sure that he loves the attention. Rich Paul, they love the attention. These guys are all celebrities, and the number one currency in today's culture is attention. Not money, not anything else. Attention is the number one thing.

[Paulie]

We're talking to Vincent Goodwill ESPN NBA senior writer. You can see him on NBA Today all next week at 3 Eastern. If you're the Cavaliers and you have James Harden, like I'm looking at LeBron looking at the Cleveland Cavaliers, why do I want to go to the Cleveland Cavaliers if they have James Harden?

[Vincent Goodwill]

That's a question for LeBron James. Because I don't get that one either. Like, he closed that book to me in 2016. If there was anything that he needed to make amends for and everything else he did that, that 3:1 comeback, winning the championship for that, that Cleveland market. When I look at this team now, Dan, what they need, number one, I don't look at and say, man, you know what? LeBron James makes that team tougher. LeBron James team not be the team that folds like they did against the New York knicks. Not saying LeBron doesn't make them better, but it's saying that what they need is toughness. And how can you figure that out with Evan Mobley, with D, excuse me, Donovan Mitchell, excuse me. And James Harness, combining the names like all those guys need the ball. And then LeBron goes there. That becomes LeBron's team. At 42 years old, that becomes his team. I don't know from a basketball sense how it works. I would say you welcome him with open arms, but when you look at that team last year, barely getting out of the first round, barely getting out of the second round, getting their doors blown off in the conference finals, I don't see how they're at LeBron James away from taking that next step.

[Paulie]

Okay. And people probably don't spend enough time doing this, but I will give me the best basketball fit. Like just style spacing and LeBron's role.

[Vincent Goodwill]

I've been saying it from day one and I don't have any inside insight. The Miami Heat. The Miami Heat have the infrastructure. The Miami Heat have the high level defensive players. And Giannis and Bam Adebayo. The one thing you don't want LeBron to have to do at his age is to play a whole lot of defense. One thing he didn't do last year in LA was play a whole lot of defense. He led the league in fast break points. And it wasn't because he was grinding it out at the rim, taking it off the glass. He was putting himself in a position to be in transition. And also the one thing you can give LeBron James, from a player development standpoint, he's become a much better standstill shooter. If Giannis is gathering all this attention on the offensive end and LeBron can also orchestrate and stand still, shoot and be protected on defense and have the best coach of the three teams that he's considering. That's Eric Spoelster. That's the Miami Heat. That's that Heat market.

[Paulie]

The New York Knicks by winning the championship. I know we have certain sports where it's a copycat league where you go, oh, we want to be like the St. Louis Rams, greatest show on turf. We're going to. We want to have three point shooters like Golden State, you know, the Knicks, okay, can you get your star player to take $100 million less? Can you get his college teammates to join you? In fact, you can't. That's a blueprint that nobody else is able to subscribe to. But the part of it is, how do I spread the money? You saw what Boston did. Jaylen Brown was a salary dump. You know, Brad Stevens is going, I can't have two guys take up 70% of my salary cap. What can teams do to try to emulate what they saw with the New York Knicks?

[Vincent Goodwill]

I'll say this for one, talk all that stuff about Jalen Brunson taking $100 million pay cut next summer when he's eligible for $300 million and ask him if he's taking a pay cut then because he's getting every last penny of his money. Point two, the one thing that I can say about the Knicks and the people think that Benny hates the Knicks and all this stuff. Benny does not. Vinnie actually admires the way they built their team. And here's the one thing I will take from them. If I'm a teambuilder. You lean into your guy. There is no perfect superstar in the NBA. Every superstar has a flaw. But what the Knicks did was lean into everything Jalen Brunson. We're going to get the best shooting big man on the market. We're going to clear out the locker room. So he's our one defined leader in Carl, and then Carl Anthony Towns is that other guy. And then you get the requisite wings around Jalen Brunson so that his defensive deficiencies are covered up. And Og Anunoby, Josh Hart and Mikel Bridges. The thing is, if you're looking for the big superstar, the perfect guy to pop up, you'll never start building your team. But if you have your star and you lean into him, I think that's the thing to take from the Knicks, because as we've seen the past eight years, we've had eight different champions that have been built completely different ways. There is no one way to do it anymore.

[Paulie]

Are the Lakers better today than they were a month ago?

[Vincent Goodwill]

I think they are better in the way than that. They have a direction that when LeBron is there, you are in this holding pattern of how well is LeBron going to play as his head at his, his age and his salary number. Now you're looking at and saying, Luka Doncic, this is your team, this is your franchise. Much to the Jalen Brunson point. We have to lean into everything with you. Get defenders, get wing guys, get a big. And Walker Kessler, they sacrificed a lot to go get him. They have no more draft assets, they don't have any more money, significant money. So this better work. And I don't think that this team is anything more than perhaps a second round team, which they were this year with LeBron James. It may just not be their year, at least until they get more resources.

[Paulie]

Yeah, I like that. At least they have a direction. I think that's the important part. Are they better? Probably not. Because, you know, LeBron still played at a pretty high level. I like Walker Kessler. I, I think he is, is what Luka wants to play with. You know, deandre Ayton is, is not going to be the player that we probably think he should be. Walker Kessler is one of those, oh, he's better than what I thought. And he's a guy who played both ends, he'll rebound defense. So I think that that will help Luka. He wanted that kind of guy, you know, at that position.

[Vincent Goodwill]

And not just that. Look, when they committed that much money to Austin Reeves, who was maybe their third best player last year behind Luca, behind LeBron James. You're going all in on these three guys being the core of your roster and trying to figure out stuff on, on, you know, on the fringes. And they don't have a choice here. Like when Luka fell into their lap, like that's the thing we don't, we understand here, Luka was not their plan. Luka fell into their lap. They didn't have a plan post LeBron James. They just happened to look into him and now they have to kind of. Well, what do we do here? You better figure something out because honestly, they have not done a bang up job short of nailing a draft pick here or there. They haven't impressed me with their team building, you know, prowess over the past few years.

[Paulie]

Yeah, I think that's, that's correct. You want to go in on the LeBron bet now you're not reporting. But which team, which day, and how is it announced?

[Vincent Goodwill]

That's a. I would think it will probably be announced on Instagram. That's what I think. I think it'll be announced on Instagram because he's trying to, you know, build up his, you know, post playing career. I think it'll be my. I think the best choice is Miami. I don't know if he's going to make the best basketball choice. It is hard for me to place a bet. I don't. I can't see it being Philly, but we could be on here a week from now saying that it's Philly. And Vinnie looks like an idiot. Like, I have zero clue. I'm not willing to place a bet on any of this.

[Paulie]

Okay.

[Vincent Goodwill]

I'm just sitting. I'm just fascinated.

[Paulie]

All right, how about if the NBA could place LeBron, they would place him

[Vincent Goodwill]

where they will probably place him. I would hesitate to say they place him in Cleveland.

[Caller/Guest]

Right.

[Vincent Goodwill]

But wouldn't they place him in Miami, even though, you know, some people had these. These misgivings about the Miami Heat and everything else? I want to be in Miami in late May and early June, Dan. This is about me and what I want and where I want to spend the. The Eastern Conference finals. I'm not worried about the NBA.

[Paulie]

Thank you, Vincent.

[Vincent Goodwill]

Appreciate you guys.

[Paulie]

That's Vincent Goodwill Jr. III. You can see him on ESPN's NBA Today. Yeah, I would think the NBA would want to place him in Miami with Giannis because you go to Cleveland. Okay. That roster is. They're a nice team, but they're not must see TV. Miami. Well, LeBron's going to be must see TV. I still think the Philadelphia part of this is fascinating because unless you go, we got two guys, our backcourt set. We got Jalen Brown, we got Joel Embiid. You know, everybody wants to score. Maybe LeBron's not the best fit there, but that. That fascinates me, and so does Golden State. But you got Western Conference already. Your two best teams are in the Western conference. You have LeBron on the east Coast. More Eastern time zone games. I think that's what they would probably lean towards. Miami. All right, we'll take a break. Phone calls coming up, and the best storylines going into NFL training camps after this.

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[Dylan]

Dylan Alrighty then. Well, we I threw up their thoughts on the Odyssey. Okay, Loved it, liked it, hated it, or haven't seen it. 79 of people just haven't seen it yet.

[Paulie]

Yeah, it hadn't been out that long, but if you get a chance, you can see it at an IMAX theater as I did yesterday. It you feel like you're in the movie. Yeah. Dylan Will you see it in a

[Dylan]

regular theater just for comparison? No, no, you're good.

[Paulie]

No, no. There's certain movies that F1 that, that was a theater movie. Like you have to see it. Certain things you, you do injustice to the movie when you see it on a smaller screen. Let's see a couple of phone calls here. How about Brett in Washington? Brett, thanks for holding. What can I do for you?

[Caller/Guest]

Hey, Dan. First time, long time, 6 foot and depending on my dehydration levels, 159 to 167. Before I get to my quick bit on the Miami heat and the LeBron James gas, you know, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention how much your show means to your fans. And I know you guys hear this on a daily basis, but one of my favorite times a day is listening to the show with my boys in the car, especially on the drive to school in the morning. And the sports knowledge and content that you provide gives us something fun to talk about. And it reminds me of all the years listening to sports talk radio with my dad.

[Paulie]

Well, thank you.

[Caller/Guest]

So getting back to the Heat and LeBron James debacle. You know, we always hear about heat culture and how aggressive and intense and buttoned up they are. Well, after this goof up, instead of going by heat culture, we can refer to them as team Preparation H, because they're trying to cover their booty.

[Paulie]

I see Preparation H. H also for the Heat. See what they Brett did with that.

[Vincent Goodwill]

Very clever.

[Paulie]

The hemorrhoid ointment. Just in case nobody knew about. Preparation. Preparation. Denny in Portland. Hi, Danny. What do you have for me today?

[Caller/Guest]

Good morning, Dan.

[Dylan]

Morning.

[Caller/Guest]

Hey, I don't know, I'm not sure if you're following what's going on here in Portland with the Blazers. We have a new owner, same gu. The Golden Knights. Anyway, my real question is, what do you think about Jean Morant coming here? Him teaming up with Dame? You think he's going to be an asset to the team or maybe deterrent?

[Paulie]

I can only hope that he'll be able to realize his potential, realize how special playing in the NBA is, the talents that he has, the money he's going to make. Maybe, you know, he was with Memphis, such a young team. Maybe Dame can help him. Maybe, you know, just have that realization of God, you have this window, take advantage of it. You can do wonderful things for an entire city, for yourself, the NBA. But, you know, with the expectations, you know, that with all that talent, people expect you to be great. We have forgotten about you. We should not be forgetting about somebody as talented as that, like Zion Williamson. He's one of those guys that I used to watch for the highlight. Now it kind of happens if I'm watching, but not necessarily for him, but I, I, I'm, I do give him credit. He seems to be more consistent, and I hope he realizes this is going to end one day and you look back and you go, man, I wasted an opportunity. Yes, Dylan.

[Dylan]

Yeah, that draft ended up interesting because at the beginning of their NBA careers, everyone, myself included, was like, john Moran's the better. Like he should have been the number one pick. And then that sort of actually sort of swung back around, I think.

[Paulie]

Well, but if you're looking like everything and not just basketball, correct. John Morant was going to be the better basketball player because I didn't think Zion would be able to have that weight on his body and try to stay in shape. I just didn't think that that was going to be possible. John Morant was 6:2 and could jump as well as anybody. I mean, that there's the highlight where he catches. Somebody's going up for a shot and he jumps and catches it. And I went, you kind of had to watch it again. Like he has those moments. God, it's, it's so rare. And you see somebody like that and they take it for granted. Yeah.

[Paulie (possibly a different Paulie or analyst)]

Paulie, three years ago, John Morant averaged 27 points, eight assists and six rebounds. He was an all purpose highlight film and a great player. He had everything.

[Paulie]

Roy in Connecticut. Hi Roy. What do you have for me today?

[Caller/Guest]

Hey, Dan and Dan X. First time, first time ever. So please, thank you for taking my call. Call. Love you guys. Dan, I've been listening to you since the mothership. I mean, I love you, Rich. Stu, God bless his soul. So it's really a privilege here for to be talking on your show. And then my question is because I feel like you're someone who has like real insights. So that's why I listen to the show every day. We saw with the World cup and at the final, like the halftime and the spreading of love and everything they did on the field and you saw the crowd and everything and it just made me wonder, especially someone like you who's been doing this for a long time, what is it that sports has that regular life like with people we don't have? Like, what can we take from sports to inject into their population to make us be like that all the time?

[Paulie]

Well, I don't know if there's a magic elixir, but the one thing that sports has is it's not scripted that you don't know. And every time somebody says somebody doesn't have a chance, I always correct them. They do have a chance because they're going to be on the field or on the court, might not be, you know, maybe 1%, but you do have a chance. And how many times did we come away going, I don't believe what I just saw. Like the Knicks, great story. Indiana bass, Indiana football, great story. You just, you know, USA Hockey, it's not scripted. You go to a movie, you can find out what the ending is of the movie if you want by somebody who's already seen it. This is, this. The formula here is there is no formula. It, you just tune in and you go, I don't know what's going to happen. And I remember having that conversation with Spike Lee when the Red Sox came back and beat the Yankees and we were talking about what makes sports great. And he said, because you can't script it. And of course his Yankees ended up losing. He, he wanted to script it. If I would have told him what the script was after game three, he wouldn't have believed it. He'd say, no way. All right, final hour on this pizza Wednesday. Coming up, we're going to talk about the headlines going into NFL training camp. I got to get around to this. I keep talking about it. Who's going in the confessional? Who's going in? Marvin. Alrighty. Back after this.

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