Dan Patrick (1:33)

You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. We did it. We did it. We made it to the final hour of the program, limping towards the finish line. Todd, how you feeling?

Todd Fritz (1:45)

I feel good.

Dan Patrick (1:46)

Good.

Paul Pabst (1:46)

Ain't nothing going to break my stride. Wasn't that a song? I get poked and prodded and sometimes I'm wrong and I'm not paying attention and I'm wandering while I'm doing other things. But you know, I'm not the first and last person to be defensive on the staff about comments that are made, so I'm good.

Dan Patrick (2:03)

That's going to make it all better.

Todd Fritz (2:05)

Raise your head if you've never felt.

Paul Pabst (2:06)

Defensive or upset with a comment that was talking at you.

Dan Patrick (2:09)

Todd. It's just I don't see any hands.

Paul Pabst (2:13)

Being like.

Dan Patrick (2:17)

It'S a Friday. It's the final hour.

Paul Pabst (2:20)

It seemed like a minor thing. I'm getting tweets saying, I thought the same thing. I thought Paul looked it up and.

Todd Fritz (2:24)

Gave me the answer.

Paul Pabst (2:24)

So there's other people not paying attention.

Dan Patrick (2:26)

I guess it's okay.

Marvin (2:30)

Luckily for them, they don't work here.

Dan Patrick (2:31)

Yeah, it's true. All right.

Paul Pabst (2:32)

If there's a punishment for me not paying attention.

Marvin (2:35)

No, you asked him a question, he answered it. Why are you looking at me?

Paul Pabst (2:38)

What, did I say it that angrily? It wasn't meant to be that angrily. Guess a history of years and years of little pokes and prod. Everyone has their line that you gotta.

Dan Patrick (2:44)

Draw on the pen.

Paul Pabst (2:46)

Eventually something's gonna be like, you know what? This time I'm gonna be like, no, this is bull. I'm gonna say something back.

Dan Patrick (2:50)

Okay. Anything else you want to say?

Todd Fritz (2:52)

That's it.

Paul Pabst (2:52)

I was being honest in the moment. I was paying attention. There have been times where you called to me and I said, 11. When you're asking for the name of a person who was the last person that did that, I would have to be. 11 would have been the guy that did that.

Dan Patrick (3:02)

But you don't admit when you're wrong. You double down.

Paul Pabst (3:06)

I told you this a long time ago. If you don't say how wonderful great I am, anything other than that, I'm tuning everyone out. I just need to hear how great I am. That's just a babyish quality in me.

Dan Patrick (3:15)

Yes.

Marvin (3:16)

Just for the record that you didn't say it with that kind of attitude. That's just the joke that I'm making.

Dan Patrick (3:20)

Okay.

Marvin (3:21)

And the more that I make the joke, the worse it's gonna get about. Like your attitude about how you screamed at Dan.

Paul Pabst (3:27)

Sometimes I don't hear myself, and I'm like, if I came across like that, that's. I didn't mean to sound rude and like, I was.

Dan Patrick (3:32)

We were just having fun. Why. Why is it that you're supposed to be Mr. Funny, Mr. Humor, but you don't have one. A sense of humor?

Paul Pabst (3:40)

I think some of the funniest people or that think they're funny, I should.

Dan Patrick (3:43)

Say, well, you're not one of the funniest.

Paul Pabst (3:44)

I said. Or think that they're funny and think that they make people laug. Sensitive people.

Marvin (3:49)

Probably in the world on Twitter are comparing this to the scene with Joe Pesi and Spider in Goodfellas where he goes to get the drink. You're like, there's really no reason for it to escalate like this. But it has. And some, you know, Spider doesn't end well for him.

Dan Patrick (4:04)

Yeah. Spoiler alert.

Paul Pabst (4:06)

Anyway, I'm not quite that violent, but I. I get annoyed in the moment every once in a while.

Dan Patrick (4:12)

Okay, so it's a meat Friday. We have reverse seared Reba. What?

Paul Pabst (4:19)

Paul just gave you the answer. Why are we going around the room?

Marvin (4:22)

Paul just gave you the answer.

Dan Patrick (4:23)

Now, how often do I say or phrase it this way? When's the last time the blank made the playoffs?

Paul Pabst (4:32)

And Paula usually takes it upon himself as the lead producer. I want to get Dan that answer as quickly as possible. And he would look it up and give it to you. I didn't know it became a game show.

Dan Patrick (4:40)

If I went to Marvin instead of Paulie, would you then have offered up an answer?

Paul Pabst (4:46)

Probably not. I would think Marvin would say, ask Paulie. He's the one that always gives you that, like, right away, why are you asking me?

Marvin (4:51)

That's what he would have said. Why are you asking me?

Paul Pabst (4:53)

Oh, he's very good and very fast at finding information.

Todd Fritz (4:56)

Todd.

Dan Patrick (4:56)

Todd, we do this all the time where I throw it into everybody around the room.

Paul Pabst (5:01)

Okay, then I'll say, I guess his guess was so. Sounded so confident that it sounded like the actual answer when I say that, as opposed to me not paying attention altogether, which has happened. But in that case, what Paulie said to you sounded like he knew the answer, and that was the answer that he was given to you after researching it.

Dan Patrick (5:16)

But why would I go to you if Paulie gave me the answer?

Paul Pabst (5:19)

It didn't make sense. I thought that was just you were having, like, a senior moment and, like, why are we going around the room? Paulie just gave me the. I didn't understand. It didn't make sense.

Dan Patrick (5:26)

See, now you tripled down.

Paul Pabst (5:28)

Did I triple down?

Dan Patrick (5:28)

Now you've tripled down.

Paul Pabst (5:30)

He's asking me. Paulie just gave him the answer. And he wants me just to reiterate what Paulie just said.

Marvin (5:33)

The problem, Dan here is you're old.

Dan Patrick (5:35)

I know.

Marvin (5:36)

Not that Todd wasn't paying attention.

Paul Pabst (5:37)

See, if everybody thinks what Paulie said is the right answer that he just gave you, let's see if they all just say the same number.

Dan Patrick (5:43)

Damn you.

Paul Pabst (5:44)

I didn't get it.

Dan Patrick (5:45)

It is deep, deep, deep rooted.

Paul Pabst (5:47)

I gotta go talk to somebody.

Dan Patrick (5:48)

Hey, Your mom, Your mommy. Yeah, you need to talk to your mommy.

Todd Fritz (5:51)

No, no.

Seton O'Connor (5:52)

Less time talking to mommy, more time talking to a professional. That'd be.

Paul Pabst (5:56)

I could use a little time on the couch, you know.

Marvin (5:58)

Holy smoker.

Dan Patrick (5:59)

Alrighty. Damn. Oh.

Paul Pabst (6:01)

I just told you what the answer was. What's your deal?

Dan Patrick (6:04)

Okay, Todd, point made. All right, we got it. Thank you.

Paul Pabst (6:08)

11.

Dan Patrick (6:09)

Yeah, you know what? I'm gonna take away meat Friday. You know, the hell with you guys.

Todd Fritz (6:15)

Don't do that.

Marvin (6:16)

Yeah, do it.

Dan Patrick (6:17)

Yeah, if you do that, it's my fault. Take it away.

Marvin (6:20)

Punish everybody.

Dan Patrick (6:22)

I want them to hate you, Todd, for this. Yeah, yeah.

Marvin (6:25)

You know, just throw it all in the trash.

Dan Patrick (6:27)

Oh, no, I'm going next door.

Marvin (6:28)

Yeah, give it to them.

Dan Patrick (6:29)

I'm going to the fire department. Yeah, give it to true heroes.

Paul Pabst (6:33)

What's with the New Year's resolution? Being nice to Todd? It's like people that joined the gym January 1st and January 5th, they're not going anywhere. They're getting. The Cheetos are coming back out.

Marvin (6:41)

Yeah, those people.

Dan Patrick (6:43)

Okay, once again we have. We have Carolina Gold oysters dug in North Carolina. Kind enough to send those to us yesterday. Reverse seared rib eyes, crab cakes, and that's Utah crab cake.

Todd Fritz (6:57)

You want to bet?

Dan Patrick (6:58)

And a bacon wrapped scalps. Who has it better than we do?

Todd Fritz (7:04)

Maybe.

Dan Patrick (7:08)

Sunday night wild card matchup. You know who's playing?

Paul Pabst (7:12)

Todd, The Sunday night matchup involved the Commanders and the Bucks.

Dan Patrick (7:15)

You know, the last time the Commanders made the postseason.

Paul Pabst (7:18)

I think Paul has the answer for you.

Dan Patrick (7:21)

19 years ago when they won a playoff game. Marvin, how many years ago was Sunday 7:30 Eastern on NBC. And Peacock.

Marvin (7:29)

He just said 19. Dan just said 19 years.

Dan Patrick (7:33)

Big win for Notre Dame last night. Big win for Notre Dame. You can't script this.

Marvin (7:44)

Just said 19 years. Marvin, how many years? He just said 19.

Dan Patrick (7:49)

So Notre Dame comes back to beat Penn State 27, 24.

Paul Pabst (7:52)

I'm going to go with 19 two.

Dan Patrick (7:54)

Tonight, Ohio State versus Texas. Ohi State is favored by six. We had Chris Fowler on first hour. Chris will call the game with Herbie tonight on the Mothership. And I said, are we underestimating Texas? And he said, no, I think it's the opposite. We're waiting for Texas to put together a great game that they haven't put together a great game. And he's right. You're kind of waiting for Texas, I don't know, to prove that they are as talented as anybody in the country. And Arizona State had them. But, you know, a 4th and 13 call by Quinn Huers, you know, that changed the game. But I think, you know, you're looking at Texas. The defensive line is great, offensive line protecting Quinn Huers. Can you run the football? Is really, I think the key with Texas, can they run the football and Ohio State try to limit them. You know, the. The big plays that you can get. I mean, good luck with that. But that's probably the philosophy going into this. You have NFL openings. We still have the Bears, Jags, Jets, Patriots, Raiders and the Saints. The Raiders also open for business for a GM as well. Tom Tesco, who was with the Chargers, went to the Raiders and lasted a year. The Vikings and the Rams wisely moving to Arizona. That makes the. Makes sense for everybody involved. And I know it can be inconvenience for Viking fans coming in, obviously Rams fans, but understanding what is going on in the city of Los Angeles, you. You can't take away police, first responders. You can't take them away from what they're doing with their jobs. And you're still seeing. I mean, these firefighters are out there and all night. That's what always. Whenever you see the video and it's at night, like, how scary it is anyway. If you've ever been involved in a natural disaster, whether it's a hurricane or tornado. I was involved in a tornado growing up, and it was at night. And yet just, you know, it adds more to the scariness of it. You can't see, you know, homes are being destroyed right in front of you, and here you have these fires and. And you just see this, you know, bright red blaze, and then these people trying to figure out where to go. As I told you, a friend of mine who lost his house, I found that out. He lives in Pacific Palisades. He said that he took his wife and two daughters outside, and the winds were blowing so hard, he didn't know which direction to go in. You know, there's no GPS to get away from a fire. And he said, you're making a decision that can cost you and your family their lives. So. And he said, it happened so quickly. It's not like you say, oh, the fire is coming. It's hours away. He said, it just happened. And next thing you know, you're saying, grab your computers, grab your phones, and, you know, whatever else you have that you can grab. Let's go. And he said he got outside and he's supposed to be the one who's making this decision. And he said to me later, broke my heart, he said, I'm such a coward because I was so afraid. I said, you're not a coward. I said, you just have to be strong for your daughters. And, and he said, I don't know if I was now they since got to a hotel, but. And he said, I think my house is destroyed. I don't know. But he said, that's the least of my worries. He said, but I had to make a decision in the moment. Do I go left? Do I go right? Do I go north? Do I go south? They said their life does not, you know, prepare you for something like that. So a long winded way of saying, you know, the people in Los Angeles, certainly the firefighters, first responders, breaks my heart to see it. And you know what? We haven't even got through all of this. I know the winds are dying down, but hopefully, hopefully there's some positives somewhere in all of this. 877-3-DP Show Email address dpdanpatrick.com Twitter Handle it DP Show Get a couple of phone calls in here. Doug in North Carolina. Hi, Doug.

Doug (12:13)

Hey, Dan. How are you today?

Dan Patrick (12:15)

I'm great, thanks to the oysters that you sent.

Doug (12:18)

Well, you're welcome. But actually, I wanted to thank you today. If you can give me 30 seconds to go on and about what the show has meant to me about Several years ago, I quit my job in the local TV industry to start a ministry. And it was very slow going, very slow going. And right around that time, I discovered your show. And what really endured me to you guys were the rare occasions when you would talk about the slow start to the Dan Patrick radio show. And I told you a year ago, you need to write a book that starts with that story of you drinking beer at a pizza parlor. But what has stayed with me about that story specifically was the ending where Polly gives you a pep talk and walks into his room, calls his wife and says, I think I made the worst mistake of my life. And that's been inspiring to me because I knew how it ended up for you guys. And this nonprofit that we started has had a great year. We've helped pay $500,000 in rental support. I think we're making a difference. But I sincerely mean I would have quit a long time ago, pardon me, if I didn't discover your show. You guys kept me going by talking about your humble days and it's meant a great deal to me. And so thank you and I hope this little token shows my appreciation.

Dan Patrick (13:34)

Doug, thank you. Thank you for being a loyal listener and always look forward to your phone calls and just give Me, the Cliff Notes version. We were just starting the show and we were in Los, we were in Burbank and we just, we were doing the first week of shows and I had not done mornings before. I'm in Los Angeles. I'm so proud to be morning drive radio in Los Angeles. And we got done with the show. I didn't think it was a good show. I don't think management thought it was very good. And Paulie took both barrels from management. I mean, he took it. And I'm watching this happen at the end of the show, the last 10 minutes, and he's getting dressed down, he's getting berated. And I walked out to him and I said, what? He goes, no, don't worry about, don't worry about. Just finish up the show. We got done. I said, what the bleep happened? And then he told me. And I was just so disappointed that we tried, we were trying, we were figuring, trying to figure this out. And I remember walking from the radio station and I was going back to my hotel And I, it's 9:15 in the morning and I go by this pizzeria and you know, the guy's in there mopping. They're not opening up for a couple of hours. I'm banging on the door, banging. And the guy goes, no, we're not open. I said, I just. Can I get a, can I get a pitcher beer? And he's like, yeah, come on in. So I think he realized I needed a beer. It's like a movie, maybe not a picture, a beer. But I just, I thought, oh my God, I never should have left espn. And. But you know, Paulie, you know, told me it'll be better whether you believed it or not. But it's probably the best moment. Most valuable moment Paulie ever had was I don't know if he knew we were going to be successful. And I didn't feel that way. And I called my wife. I went back to the hotel, I, I stayed at the, the restaurant for two hours and had a pitcher of beer and then waited for them to make a pizza. And then I think I left him a hundred dollar tip. I'm like, you don't know what you just did for me. I go back to the hotel, I call my wife, I said, hon, I think I just made the biggest decision of my worst decision of my life. And she said, no you didn't, no you didn't. And I remember I had to get together with Paulie. I'm like, God dang, talk me down off the ledge. And I remember, I said, all right, damn it. So, you know, you go to bed at 7 in the morning to wake up at 4:30, and. And I just said, all right, we're going to take bullets here. We just have to survive. Because if we're. If we're successful, Morning Drive in LA will be picked. And at the time, you know, I think we had 18 radio stations. Like, I couldn't get anybody to take the show. And we were doing the show in my attic for three years. But you know what? It all came together. It just. For some reason. And, you know, give credit to the Danettes because they picked up my spirits the whole time. Because I'd be like, mopey dick coming in. I'd be like, oh, my God. Yeah, Paulie.

Seton O'Connor (16:55)

I gotta tell you, it's funny because I remember that day. In those next couple of days, I was much less worried because I always trust talent and skill and ability. You're talented. Seaton was great at what he did. Even things he didn't know he had to do. When he joined us, he's back home patching stuff. He's not an engineer. He was engineering. I knew Fritz. He was going to book the hell out of the show. I'm confident myself and the four of us are good at what we do. And I was like, it's going to shake out. It's like. You ever watched the first few episodes of Seinfeld?

Dan Patrick (17:23)

They're horrible.

Seton O'Connor (17:24)

The first few episodes of the Sopranos, they're horrible because they haven't found their way yet. And three days after this show you just talked about, we had David Beckham's first American interview. Right. We had Phil Jackson the next day. Fritz, he crushed it. And then it just started taking on a life of its own.

Dan Patrick (17:41)

Yeah, it was. Management had an idea of how they wanted this show done, and we didn't listen. We did not.

Seton O'Connor (17:48)

Nope.

Dan Patrick (17:49)

Yeah. I said, look, I'm going down. If I'm going down, I'm going down. Flames my way. Because this is why. Part of the reason why I left ESPN is I. I wanted to do it my way. And we outlasted everybody. But it's a testament to everybody involved in this because, man, I lacked a whole. I lack confidence, that's for sure. But that beer, I've never had a better tasting beer than that beer. That morning at about 9:25 in Burbank. I have to go buy that pizzeria, see if they're open for business.

Seton O'Connor (18:23)

I was at the breakfast bar at the hotel eating leftover omelets or something for the morning crew.

Dan Patrick (18:27)

Yeah. Anywho, we're all together here and that's all that matters. Todd.

Marvin (18:34)

Many Years later.

Dan Patrick (18:34)

Yeah. 11.

Marvin (18:35)

Many years later.

Dan Patrick (18:36)

Yeah. How many years later? 11. 19. 19. 19.

Paul Pabst (18:43)

Now we're just poking.

Dan Patrick (18:44)

Yeah. See, we went from you complaining to me talking about this is a feel good moment. You know, we've helped lives, we've helped people.

Paul Pabst (18:53)

That's what you do. You turn things around, you get things back on track. Just when it looks like it's totally off the rails, you bring it back with your professionalism.

Dan Patrick (18:59)

Thank you, Todd. Thank you.

Paul Pabst (19:01)

You're welcome.

Dan Patrick (19:04)

What were you talking about exactly? Bill Cower is set to join us coming up next. We hope you'll stay with us as well after this. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live.

Steve Covino (19:25)

Hey, Steve Covino. And I'm Rich Davis. And together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern to 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved, too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Covino and Rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course, on social media, that's Covino and Rich.

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Bobby Bones (21:20)

Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirrorball trophy from Dancing with the Star. So where else are you going to find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? Based in Nashville, we're more than just your basic NFL show. We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything because we got lots to say. I texted you and you text me back. Now I don't know if you have the update, but like all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff, like it's all colored. They changed it and the heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm gonna be honest, it was a little pink.

Dan Patrick (22:04)

There was something sentimental when you like when you send it, it was like, do I send the heart now?

Bobby Bones (22:10)

I don't like the color edition.

Dan Patrick (22:11)

It's extremely pink.

Bobby Bones (22:13)

Listen to Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get to future podcasts.

Adnan Virk (22:20)

What's up everybody? Adnan Burke here to tell you about a new podcast from iHeart podcast in the National Hockey League. It's NHL Unscripted with Virgin Demers.

Jason Demers (22:28)

Hey, I'm Jason Demers, former 700 game NHL defenseman turned NHL network analyst. And boy oh boy, does daddy have a lot to say.

Adnan Virk (22:37)

I love you, by the way on NHL Network, we're looking forward to getting together each week to chat and chirp about the sport and all the other things surrounding at that we love. Right?

Jason Demers (22:45)

Yeah, I just met you today, but we're going to have a ton of guests from the colliding worlds of hockey, entertainment and pop culture. And you know what, tons of back and forth on all things NHL.

Adnan Virk (22:56)

Yeah, you're going to soon going to find out we're not just hockey talk. We get all kinds of random stuff on this podcast. Movies, television, food, wrestling, even the stuff that you wear on NHL.

Jason Demers (23:05)

Now you wish you could pull off my short shorts. Forky.

Adnan Virk (23:08)

That shirt of Kazar Ruckus. Listen to NHL unscripted with Burke and demers, the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Dan Patrick (23:21)

Hall of Fame head coach Bill Cower, also part of NFL Today on CBS Studio. And. Oh, look who showed up early. Hi, Coach.

Todd Fritz (23:29)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I. I found Waldo.

Dan Patrick (23:33)

Yeah, I told you I was going to put it. Put it up there, and we made room. There you go.

Todd Fritz (23:42)

I appreciate that. I said stage right. That's good.

Dan Patrick (23:46)

Does it look like you are you did you have to approve?

Todd Fritz (23:50)

I have multiple bobbleheads. I had one with a gold jacket on, another one with a headset. I think this one with a headset. I had to get the one. That's just the coach. You just. Hall of Fame. It doesn't deserve to be on that desk. I'm a regular guy, like the policeman, like everybody else. I'm not. I'm not just the old football coach right next to the San Antonio traffic police guy.

Dan Patrick (24:12)

Are you. Did you grow up hating Penn State?

Todd Fritz (24:17)

Well, when they didn't offer me a scholarship, so. But my brother went there.

Dan Patrick (24:25)

Okay. Yeah. Because I'm watching the game last night. I'm like, I think your dad was at Duquesne. Like, you feel like you were a pit guy.

Todd Fritz (24:33)

Oh, I was on a recruiting trip up there, and they never offered me a scholarship. And ironically enough, my freshman year at NC State, I played as a freshman against them. And before the game, I pulled out the letter that says they didn't think I was big enough to play College Division 1 football. I said, well, we'll find out today, won't we?

Dan Patrick (24:53)

Did you model your game after anybody?

Todd Fritz (24:57)

No. You know, I grew up. I grew up watching Jack Lambert. I mean, I just. I loved him. I didn't do it, but I loved Hacksaw Reynolds when he used to chop his feet in place before the ball was snapped. Just guys. I mean, just people had their own personalities, right? And that's. That's. That's.

Paul Pabst (25:12)

I don't know.

Todd Fritz (25:12)

I just. I like. Jack was my guy. Dick Buckus was my guy, and Ray Nitschke were my guys. Those were the three guys I looked at.

Dan Patrick (25:19)

We talk about the Lions and Dan Campbell and creating culture, and it's a weird word when you create cult. Do you know how to create culture?

Todd Fritz (25:30)

You know, I think culture is something that is manifested. I think it takes time. It's creating a building where you'd like to think that you walk in there, there's a selflessness about it. There's also a sense of purpose about it. There's a trust that exists and you're able to kind of give ownership to the players, to oversee the locker room. And I think that's when you know you've gotten to that. That level. But the culture is about being real, being transparent, about holding people accountable. And you're in there for one purpose. When you walk in there, leave your ego at the door. And we're all, we're all in this thing together.

Dan Patrick (26:12)

When did the hatred for the Ravens start? Or. Well, both ways here?

Todd Fritz (26:19)

Yeah, I mean, I. When they, when they moved from Cleveland to, To Baltimore, I just called them the Browns. I mean, they can call themselves the Ravens, but I call them the Browns. And they're the same team that we're up to turnpike. We just got to go. We're going to go east instead of going. But they're still the same team we don't like. They're still the same team we take very personal with. And so. And then it probably happened right around that 2000 era when Ray Lewis came in and started doing the dance. They had to. And then we were going back and forth with the division at that time, and I think that's the real robberies are kind of bread, you know, at Dan, it's like when you have. When you are both fighting for that division and you find yourselves on top. And then we were both kind of identically built. It was about kind of a run football, play defense, impose yourself on the other team. And we kind of all took. We took pride in that physicality part of the game. And I think the early 2000s, that was absolutely identified, and that's what that game was all about.

Dan Patrick (27:17)

You don't strike me as a coach who would allow his players to be dancing like Ray Lewis did to open up a game.

Todd Fritz (27:23)

Well, we didn't dance, but we talked a lot. I think we had a lot of guys that like to get the last word in. Joey Porter was never, never was lost for words on the field.

Dan Patrick (27:33)

But you were okay with that?

Todd Fritz (27:35)

Yeah, I wanted edgy players. I, I didn't mind having edgy players. I always said my job as a coach is for you to walk that line of being that almost arrogant, almost like supreme. I feel you're the best person on that field. And when you cross the line, my job is to pull you back. Where do you cross the line? When you disrespect the game, you disrespect the opponent or you disrespect a teammate, and that's dancing or doing something that's in someone's face. So I said, just as long as you respect the game, walk that line. And sometimes I felt like guys were almost too safe, too cautious, didn't want to make a mistake. And I said, if I. If I can't, I don't pull you back periodically, you're not walking the line close enough. So I kind of encouraged them to get to be a little bit of a swagger when we walked on that field.

Dan Patrick (28:25)

Hall of Famer Bill Cower, of course, NFL Today, CBS studio analyst. Did you ever come close to wanting to go after another coach? Punch a coach, not punch a coach.

Todd Fritz (28:36)

But I think it's obviously the clip of me with Chris Hudson when he picked up the block field goal down at Jacksonville, walking down the sideline. And I kind of just was going to do one of those. But I blame, I. But then I blame that on the ghost of Woody Hayes. That was actually the very same sideline, very same part of the field where he punched Charlie Bowman from Clemson. So I think, I think that was this. That was the Woody Hayes that came out. It was the same field, same part of the field. It's ironic if you go back and someone pointed that out to me and I said, well, that answers it. That couldn't have been me doing that. But no, I'm, you know, I never know. You know, I respected the game and I love to compete. I didn't like losing, but never really took it that personally. If I took it personally, I took it upon myself that we didn't do enough to win the game.

Dan Patrick (29:25)

If I gave you the Lions or the field in the nfc, who would you take?

Todd Fritz (29:32)

Well, right now I would say the Lions. And I say that for this reason. They are so battle tested right now. They are such a reflection of Dan Campbell. Everyone keeps talking about what they don't have, and he just keeps using that for fuel to fuel this team. Aaron Glenn has done a fantastic job. Ben Johnson, I think, is one of the best offensive coordinators in the league. And they're getting a little bit healthy right now. So they get a bye to get healthy. You're playing at home in Detroit. They got to win two games. I just don't know if there's a team there. You saw what they did against Minnesota. That's probably their biggest robbery, if you think about that thing. The only team I think that really can go in there are the Philadelphia Eagles. I think The Philadelphia Eagles has what it takes because they can run the football, they can play defense right now and they got a really good offensive line. And if, you know, again, Jalen Hurts comes back and he's supposed to come back this week. I think that's the one team to me that I think could battle them.

Dan Patrick (30:27)

If I gave you the Chiefs of the field in the afc.

Todd Fritz (30:32)

Well, we've been picking against the Chiefs all season long. We keep waiting for the left, the footage of the shoe to drop on that team. But, you know, again, they're playing at home, they're getting healthy. I still look at Baltimore and Buffalo as two teams now. They're going to meet probably in a divisional round to go there. I think both those teams, kind of like the thorn in both of those teams has been the Kansas City chief. So I think either one of those two teams are going have a chance to go into the Kansas City with a little bit of a chip on their shoulders. So I, you know, again, I. It's hard to pick against them, but I think there's a little bit. There's a few more teams in the afc, I think that can challenge the Chiefs. There are in the NFC that can challenge Lions.

Dan Patrick (31:12)

What's it like to be a head coach when you want your assistance, your offensive or defensive coordinators, to be able to interview for a head coaching job. And I know this probably didn't go on when you were coaching, but now, I mean, imagine you're Dan Campbell and you're probably losing both of your coordinators, but he's still there as the head coach while they're interviewing for other jobs.

Todd Fritz (31:34)

Yeah, I think the first week is not a problem. I think we have the week off. I think it's not a problem with that. And I think number one, I always looked at as a feather in my cap. You know, I had eight guys that went on to become head coaches from my, from my staff. And I always looked at that as, you know, I was proud of that. I'm very, very proud that they were able to move on from us able to go to the next level. So I don't think, I think it's a problem is when they're interviewing during the course of the game they're having that week, I don't think I would allow that because to me the attention should be on that game because that game is also going to be a reflection on your record and our, on our record. And it's an opportunity in the playoffs. It's single elimination. This is not best of Three. So it's single elimination. And to me, when you have the week of the game, that focuses on the week of the game, but the bye week, I get it, I understand it. Because people like to move fast in our league. And I think the bottom line. And I said this, I told this to Dan, as I said, the one thing we have success, and I learned this very early, is you better have a backup plan. A backup plan to have your coordinators that are going to get plucked to go to become head coaches, which is a feather in your cap. It's nothing to look negatively about. But now being able to maybe work with in house and be able to promote in house, if you can do it, and that's the ideal atmosphere. You talk about culture. How about a great culture where you know if you stay right there, that you may have a chance to advance in your own field of employee and actually may have a chance to become a head. So I think he has a backup plan to both those things, and I think most coaches do, but I always encourage them that when you have success, the first thing you better do is have a backup plan for your assistant coaches.

Dan Patrick (33:02)

You got a story about Roethlisberger frustrating you. Well, did he always listen to you when you called in plays?

Todd Fritz (33:12)

Well, he would do one of these things. Like he said, no, no, he was. He'd say that. He could say, it's not working. I said, well, their communication is not working. They go, I think it is. I go, well, let's check. His helmet gets out. We grab that to just grab his helmet one time. So we grabbed his helmet. They go, coach, it's working fine. He goes, it just came back on. I go, no, that's not. I go, that is not a true statement then. I know it. I said, it's not. You can't. I can't hear now in front of your calling place. So the interesting question, now I'm going to sit down. I always wonder about this, and I wanted to talk to Sean McDermott, and I'm going to ask him when I sit down with him later on today, matter of fact. And when Josh Allen breaks the pocket, it was almost like when Ben used to break the pocket. It was like, oh, no, here we go again. It's street ball. I don't know what's going to happen. It's kind of buckle your seatbelt. It's just like, oh, oh, my God, here he goes again. Just don't be careless, don't be reckless. And big plays will happen in Troy Palomalu. He's supposed to be playing half the field. I see him start to creep up to the line of screaming. They're going, is he going to drop or not? I don't even know. I said, so you wonder what goes through your stomach. But I always, always say, great players, Troy Palmalu, Ben Roethlisberger, you can't harness greatness. And sometimes you want that to become an unbridled feeling that they have on that field where they can take over a game. And most of the times they do. Now, sometimes you're going to live with the mistakes that they have and the choices that they make. But, man, you want these guys on your team and you know through the course of time that their decision making is going to be the right thing. But you know what? In the meantime, though, you sit there, your stomach's turn, you're like a fan. Like, oh, boy, here we go again. I don't know what's gonna happen. Like, that was a great play. Yeah, sure was. So you kind of just go, do you turn into a fan watching this go, oh, this will be interesting to see what happens here. And he's running to the right, throwing it back to the left, and, you know, it's just okay, you know, and sometimes those are the plays that, you know that. That win championships and win games. And sometimes it's. They're not the things that make up. It's the players that you entrust with the system that they kind of take it to another level.

Dan Patrick (35:17)

Safe travels. Thanks for the bobblehead. We appreciate it.

Todd Fritz (35:20)

Yes.

Dan Patrick (35:20)

Thank you, coach.

Todd Fritz (35:21)

Thanks, Dan. Always a pleasure to be on.

Dan Patrick (35:23)

That's the hall of Fame. Coach Bill Cower sent in the bobblehead. Wanted to make sure I displayed it here on the desk. He's fun. I didn't really know him when he was coaching, but he has, you know, subsequently been on quite a few times, I think enjoys coming on. And I just love the stories. Yeah, see, it's weird.

Marvin (35:43)

He has, like, a much better personality than you think he would based on his demeanor as a coach or something.

Dan Patrick (35:49)

You know, it's like Randy Johnson. Yeah, yeah. Because Randy Johnson, you don't approach, especially on game day, and. But then he's got. He comes on with us, he's got all these stories. I'm like, who. Who is this guy? Where was this guy? We were talking about the game with the Ravens and the Steelers. I have some prop bets here. Over under is 43 and a half. Steelers are getting nine and a. It just seems so much in a rivalry game. Lamar Jackson. Over, under. 216 and a half passing yards. Surprising Russell Wilson Jr. III. Over, under passing yards. Let's go around the room. There you go.

Paul Pabst (36:37)

Now, I mean, that incorporates all of us. 233 yards.

Dan Patrick (36:43)

All right. SE 234 yards.

Paul Pabst (36:48)

$1, 212 yards.

Dan Patrick (36:51)

Paul.

Seton O'Connor (36:53)

219 yards.

Dan Patrick (36:54)

207 and a half. How about over, under rushing yards? Let's go around the room. Todd.

Paul Pabst (37:07)

113 and a half.

Dan Patrick (37:11)

Did I say the name of the player?

Paul Pabst (37:14)

I know what you did there.

Dan Patrick (37:16)

Lamar Jackson.

Paul Pabst (37:18)

Oh, he's going to have 79 and a half.

Dan Patrick (37:21)

Seaton.

Marvin (37:22)

80 yards.

Dan Patrick (37:23)

Marvin.

Paul Pabst (37:24)

11.

Seton O'Connor (37:26)

71 and a half.

Dan Patrick (37:27)

48 and a half.

Paul Pabst (37:29)

He's totally going to run for more yards.

Dan Patrick (37:30)

It doesn't look like he's gonna have a lot of numbers there. Yeah. What doesn't look like he's running for.

Paul Pabst (37:36)

At least 60 yards.

Dan Patrick (37:37)

Thank you, Todd. You can win cash on pick 6. Download the DraftKings pick 6 app. Use code Patrick. So, man, I'm limping towards the finish line here.

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Bobby Bones (41:18)

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Dan Patrick (42:28)

Oh, what a great week. What a great week. Most must win game of the weekend and we also have to write tomorrow's headline today for tonight's game.

Seton O'Connor (42:40)

Yes, Paul or mmw Got. We're thinking about taking Lamar Jackson off the board and the Ravens off the board because it's too obvious.

Dan Patrick (42:49)

Your thoughts, Seaton?

Marvin (42:50)

Well, aren't all of the playoff games must win, therefore, thus, then too obvious?

Seton O'Connor (42:57)

Easy with the logic.

Marvin (42:59)

Yeah, easy therefore, thus then.

Dan Patrick (43:02)

Well, I don't know if, like there's. If I said the Texans don't win a home game, is. Is there going to be fallout from that? Probably not. If the Commanders don't beat the Buccaneers, probably not fallout. If Lamar loses a home playoff game and might be the mvp, there's perception fallout with that. If Mike Tomlin loses a first round game, maybe fallout. Russell Wilson Jr. The third fallout from a loss.

Marvin (43:31)

Yes, that was my must win game last week was Russell Wilson had to beat the Bengals. He kind of has to beat the Ravens then, huh?

Dan Patrick (43:39)

So he has to. Has to be now. He really has to.

Marvin (43:41)

Must, must win.

Dan Patrick (43:42)

Okay. Most must win game of the weekend. We've taken Lamar Jackson off the board. Todd, let's go around the room.

Paul Pabst (43:51)

Oh, since we're going around the room, I'm going to say that a home game for the possible MVP Josh Allen of the Bills if they fall to rookie Bo Nix and the Broncos, a team that just barely made it into the playoffs, that would be a disaster if The Bills get bounced at home by Denver.

Dan Patrick (44:06)

Okay, I think that's a good call. Seton. Most must win game of the weekend.

Marvin (44:10)

Yeah, maybe I stick with Russell Wilson. Although I don't. If he beats the Ravens, you gotta give him another run there, right?

Dan Patrick (44:19)

Feels like. I think. Marvin.

Paul Pabst (44:22)

I'm gonna go with the Minnesota Vikings. 14 wins this year and they're playing a neutral site game.

Dan Patrick (44:29)

But they're favored.

Paul Pabst (44:31)

They still have to win.

Dan Patrick (44:32)

Okay. Yeah.

Paul Pabst (44:33)

Most must win.

Dan Patrick (44:34)

They do. Okay. Paulie. Mm. WgotW.

Seton O'Connor (44:38)

Love it. Love what you're saying. Ryan Day in Ohio State tonight.

Dan Patrick (44:42)

Oh.

Seton O'Connor (44:43)

Clean up on aisle five after the mission.

Dan Patrick (44:45)

Yeah, you snuck one in on it.

Seton O'Connor (44:49)

All good, Will. Now you're expected to win the national title. If I said 6 weeks ago they would be expected with national title. No chance. It's a weird position he's in.

Dan Patrick (44:58)

My mmw. Gotw just to offer up something different. The Eagles at home against the Packers. So the Chargers favored by three. Steelers getting nine and a half, Broncos getting eight and a half. As. Who would have thought the Broncos in Buffalo are less of an underdog than the Steelers in Baltimore?

Paul Pabst (45:26)

That's kind of insulting.

Dan Patrick (45:27)

Thank you, Todd. The Commanders are getting three, packers are getting four and a half. The Vikings are giving two and a half to the Rams. How about we write tomorrow's headline today? I told you this last hour. You're not surprised by this? I'm gonna let you go last. So tomorrow's headline today for tonight's game.

Paul Pabst (45:48)

Todd, if you'll humor me, everyone, for both outcomes.

Dan Patrick (45:52)

Yeah, sure. Okay.

Paul Pabst (45:53)

If Texas wins. All right, all right, all right. McConaughey. Hey, nice job, Texas.

Dan Patrick (45:57)

Okay.

Paul Pabst (45:58)

And if Ohio State wins, Sark attack Years poor play bites horns.

Dan Patrick (46:04)

Okay, Marvin.

Paul Pabst (46:08)

Will Smith slaps the Longhorns.

Dan Patrick (46:12)

Will Howard.

Paul Pabst (46:13)

Jeremiah Smith. Will Smith.

Dan Patrick (46:15)

Wow. Wow. All right, all right.

Paul Pabst (46:21)

Maybe I should have said Will Smith.

Dan Patrick (46:26)

Yeah. Slaps long. Okay.

Paul Pabst (46:28)

Because Will Smith slapped.

Dan Patrick (46:29)

Okay.

Paul Pabst (46:30)

Keep Texas out your mouth.

Dan Patrick (46:34)

Paul.

Seton O'Connor (46:35)

Archie beats Jughead. Manning takes down Ryan Day.

Dan Patrick (46:38)

Wow. No offense, Arch Manning. And you called Ryan Day Jughead.

Seton O'Connor (46:43)

Yeah, I fit for the bit.

Dan Patrick (46:44)

All right.

Seton O'Connor (46:46)

Sorry, Ryan.

Dan Patrick (46:47)

Who is it? Archie? Jughead? Veronica? Yes. And who was the other?

Seton O'Connor (46:53)

Betty.

Dan Patrick (46:53)

Betty.

Seton O'Connor (46:54)

And Reggie was a bad guy.

Dan Patrick (46:55)

Yeah. I like Veronica.

Seton O'Connor (46:56)

How could you not?

Dan Patrick (46:57)

Yeah. Seaton.

Marvin (47:03)

Longhorns. More like long gone. Saddle up, Texas. Time to ride off into the sudden set. Buckeyes heard the Longhorns.

Dan Patrick (47:13)

Okay, I like. How long is the headline here? That's. Yeah, that's the whole article, but yeah.

Marvin (47:18)

You said I wasn't prepared you. I still saddle Up Texas. Time to ride off into the sunset. After you've been heard it. Longhorns have been hurted by the Buckeyes.

Paul Pabst (47:28)

This is a smaller font size. It'll fit in the back.

Dan Patrick (47:31)

Todd, you gave a phony back row laugh.

Paul Pabst (47:34)

I think that was. I like what he does.

Dan Patrick (47:35)

Yeah, that. That was phony and you know that.

Todd Fritz (47:38)

It'll fit.

Paul Pabst (47:38)

Small font size.

Dan Patrick (47:41)

Dave in San Antonio. Hi, Dave. What do you have for me?

Todd Fritz (47:45)

Hey, what's up, guys? Happy Friday.

Dan Patrick (47:49)

Wanted to call in. It's been a long time.

Doug (47:52)

Wondering if Dan and Marvin, you guys.

Dan Patrick (47:54)

Are ready for the pie in the face because the Cavs are going to the finals. Also have a quick question. Dan, I know that I haven't had that many years in the game. As far as some of the other.

Doug (48:05)

Callers, what is the criteria to get most valuable caller?

Dan Patrick (48:11)

Is there also maybe rookie caller of the year, you know, caller. It'd be a newcomer of the year. Yeah, newcomer of the year. But thank you, Dave. Thank you. Yes, Todd.

Paul Pabst (48:25)

One thing you got to do is understand the clock and we're wrapping it. So you can't go long winded like that. You're never gonna get picked.

Dan Patrick (48:30)

Yeah. This day in sports history.

Seton O'Connor (48:32)

Todd lecturing people on being long winded. This day in sports history. The Chicago Cubs in 1963 hired an athletic director to work out and use weights. First baseball team ever to do so. And that's it. Not so good.

Dan Patrick (48:45)

This 1982, the catch. Joe Montana, Dwight Clark. Also 1982, the freezer bowl. I was there. Bengals, Chargers. It was a wind chill factor of 59 degrees. Almost as cold as the shoulder I give Fritzi when this show is over. Facts, Todd. What did you learn? Let's go around the room.

Paul Pabst (49:06)

Okay, now we can all we could each go. Bill Coward says the rivalry between his Steelers and the Ravens probably ramped up in early time 2000s when Ray Lewis started doing that dance.

Marvin (49:13)

Seton 19 is the new 11.

Dan Patrick (49:15)

11.

Paul Pabst (49:17)

Marvin, why are you asking me?

Dan Patrick (49:18)

Paul?

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