Hour 3 – Pablo Torre, Rick Neuheisel

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show – Hour 3 Summary

Date: August 7, 2026
Guests: Pablo Torre, Rick Neuheisel

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Overview

This episode of The Dan Patrick Show centers on two major topics:

1. Pablo Torre’s ongoing investigative reporting into alleged secret sponsorships and salary cap circumvention involving NBA star Kawhi Leonard and the LA Clippers
2. Rick Neuheisel’s insights into current college football issues, including AD rivalries, coaches poll transparency, and the financial sustainability of top-tier programs

The show blends serious sports journalism with typical DP Show humor and banter, engaging listeners with deep-dive interviews and colorful, honest analysis.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Pablo Torre: Kawhi Leonard, Clippers & NBA Salary Cap Scandal

(Segment approx. 02:10–19:07)

The Alleged Secret Sponsorships

• Background:
  Pablo Torre provides updates on his 13-part investigative series about Kawhi Leonard’s undisclosed sponsorships, suggesting efforts to circumvent NBA salary cap rules.
  • “We are brought together once again by an alleged secret sponsorship deal for Kawhi Leonard.” (06:36 – Pablo Torre)
• Two sources (one current, one former high-level Clippers associate) told Torre about “several multimillion dollar, unannounced sponsorships,” including with Daktronics, the manufacturer of the Clippers’ Jumbotron.
  • “Daktronics had never hired a celebrity … or sponsor… Kawhi Leonard had a secret, unannounced, no evidence that he did anything for it, multimillion dollar sponsorship for that company.” (07:34 – Pablo Torre)
• Torre links these sponsorships to a pattern, referencing the earlier Aspiration deal ($28M in cash endorsements + $20M in equity, which went unpaid due to bankruptcy).
  • “That deal…was $28 million under contract for a no show endorsement deal that was never announced…a $20 million equity deal in the company…so that’s $48 million in total value…” (08:41 – Pablo Torre)

Ongoing Investigation & NBA Reaction

• Clippers and Daktronics have stopped responding to requests for comment.
  • “For months now, they've stopped responding… They used to say things like, ‘This is all provably false.’" (10:54 – Pablo Torre)
• Daktronics’ crisis communications firm responded cautiously and referenced the law firm (Wachtel) the NBA hired to investigate.
  • “Daktronics wanted… here’s our general counsel, talk to them…then they send us to a crisis comms firm…they say, ‘My understanding is Daktronics doesn’t have a deal with Kawhi right now.’” (11:30 – Pablo Torre)
  • “Given the Wachtel investigation.” (12:00 – Pablo Torre)

League Consequences & Trade Fallout

• The NBA’s investigation and the attempted trade to the Raptors are frozen pending the outcome.
  • “The Raptors…wanted to trade for Kawhi Leonard. But… the NBA put in front of the Raptors a piece of paper that… indemnifies…the Clippers… the Raptors…say ‘We’re not signing this.’… The trade has been frozen for weeks.” (13:49 – Pablo Torre)
• Punishment might follow Kawhi to Toronto if the trade proceeds.
• Adam Silver and league leadership are faced with the question of enforcing the NBA’s “cardinal rule” regarding salary cap circumvention.
  • “Salary cap circumvention is the cardinal rule of the NBA … How do you possibly make it so that the cardinal rule is actually treated like it?” (17:08 – Pablo Torre)
  • On potential fallout for Clippers owner Steve Ballmer: “There’s a very real chance that Steve Ballmer emerges relatively unscathed, which is kind of insane to me, according to my reporting.” (18:46 – Pablo Torre)
• Notable Moment & Tone: Humorous acknowledgment of the investigation’s longevity—“Part one of my now 13-part investigation, which I say knowing how ridiculous that sounds…” (06:36 – Pablo Torre)

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Rick Neuheisel: College Football—Rivalries, Votes & Money

(Segment approx. 27:06–37:40)

ADs Stirring Rivalries: Purdue vs. Indiana

• Context: Purdue’s AD Tommy McClellan stirs the pot, saying, “If you don’t want to win championships, go to Indiana.” (26:12)
• Neuheisel draws a parallel to his UCLA days with a provocative “monopoly is over” ad targeting USC.
  • “I was like, hey, easy now, easy now…Don’t take a knife to a gunfight.” (27:06 – Rick Neuheisel)

Transparency in Coaches Poll Voting

• Many head coaches delegate their ballots to sports information staff—Neuheisel included:
  • “It was always our sports information guy…They’d bring me a list. I’d say, we’ll move these guys one spot and away we go.” (28:28 – Rick Neuheisel)
  • On the new era of public ballots: “Now that they put your name on it at the end, maybe you better know exactly what the hell went on that list…” (29:08 – Rick Neuheisel)

Indiana’s Cinderella Run & What’s Next

• Indiana football’s storybook 16-0 season is described as historic and unlikely.
  • “The Indiana program…worst, had more losses than anybody else in college football. To go 16-0 and win against formidable teams…To beat Alabama 38-3…incredible.” (29:28 – Rick Neuheisel)

The Fiery Economics of CFB

• High roster costs—the norm for chief programs—are scrutinized.
  • “You’ve got to be spending at least 40 million. Next year…going past $50 million. How sustainable is this?” (31:03 – Paul Pabst)
  • Neuheisel: “We’re going to be in a survival of the fittest…private equity is kind of sniffing around…The numbers are going crazy.” (31:19)
  • Brian Kelly told CBS the Notre Dame roster is $50 million.

Congressional Action for College Sports

• Discussion of the Protect College Sports Act’s urgency, especially with Big Ten and SEC endorsement.
  • “It would be wonderful to get that done…if they don’t, there’s going to be other things that are more important when they come back.” (32:22 – Rick Neuheisel)

Gambling, Redemption & Support

• On QB Brendan Sorsby’s betting scandal, Neuheisel offers empathy and perspective drawn from his own past:
  • “Bitterness only impacts you. Just move on…there will be better days.” (33:59 – Rick Neuheisel)

Coaches Under the Most Pressure

• Neuheisel’s Top Coaches with Pressure:
  • Lincoln Riley at USC (“never been to the College Football Playoff”)
  • Steve Sarkisian at Texas (“everything in place”)
  • Dan Lanning (Oregon)
  • Marcus Freeman at Notre Dame (manageable schedule, high expectations)
  • Lane Kiffin (Ole Miss; “most anticipated pregame in the history of football”)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Pablo Torre on investigation fatigue:
  • “Part one of my now 13-part investigation, which I say knowing how ridiculous that sounds…” (06:36)
• Pablo Torre on the silence from Clippers and Daktronics:
  • “The Clippers have stopped responding…they used to say ‘this is all provably false’… It’s been 11 to 12 months we’ve been waiting to show how this is provably false.” (10:54)
• Rick Neuheisel on “delegating” poll votes:
  • “It was always our Sports Information guy…You don’t have time for that.” (28:28)
• Rick Neuheisel on Indiana’s miracle season:
  • “To beat Alabama 38-3…that’s one for the ages.” (29:28)
• Dan Patrick on coaches who don’t actually vote:
  • “The people who watch the least amount of college football are coaches. Because you only care about the opponent you had and the opponent coming up.” (28:07)

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Important Timestamps

• 02:10 – Show moves into substantive content with guest previews.
• 06:36 – Pablo Torre’s detailed breakdown of the Kawhi Leonard/Jumbotron sponsorship.
• 08:41 – Discussion of Leonard’s total off-the-books earnings.
• 10:54 – How the Clippers and Daktronics have handled media scrutiny.
• 13:49 – NBA–Raptors trade stalemate and indirect league admission of issues.
• 16:13 – NBA’s internal investigation and Pablo’s cooperation with the league’s counsel.
• 17:08 – On whether Ballmer could lose the team: implications and expectations.
• 27:06 – Rick Neuheisel on AD/coach dynamics and college football rivalries.
• 28:28 – Coaches poll transparency and who actually fills out ballots.
• 29:28 – Indiana’s fairytale football championship run.
• 31:19 – The explosive economics of modern college football.
• 32:22 – The importance of federal legislation for college sports.
• 33:59 – Neuheisel’s supportive approach to players sidetracked by gambling.
• 36:00 – Coaches most under pressure in 2026.

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Additional Sports Talk Highlights

• NFL Odds: The Lions, at 19:1, are discussed as a promising underdog. (25:09–25:31)
• March Madness Futures: Indiana is currently favored over Purdue (43:43).
• Historical Sports Moments: Walter Johnson’s 531 complete games (42:56).

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Tone & Style

• Expertly blends friendly banter and humor (“Who has it better than we do?…Nobody!”) with in-depth, investigative journalism (especially through Pablo Torre's reporting).
• Honest and often self-deprecating (Torre on the length of his own investigation, Neuheisel’s admissions about poll voting).
• Show maintains an inviting, conversational dynamic even during interviews on heavier topics.

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Conclusion

This episode delivers a compelling look at the hidden machinations of NBA salary cap evasion and their real-world consequences, featuring Torre’s trademark blend of wit and persistence. On the college football front, Neuheisel’s candor about coaching pressures, poll shenanigans, and the financial arms race provides clarity (and a little comic relief). Altogether, it’s a quintessential Dan Patrick Show: probing, lighthearted, and never dull.

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[Paul Pabst]

on this Meet Friday. Pablo Torre. He's uncovered more Kawhi Leonard secrets. Apparently he'll join us momentarily. Rick Neuheisel, college football analyst, will join us. We'll talk about a couple of things, including coaches who don't necessarily do the research to vote in the coaches poll, but we do place a whole lot of emphasis on that. And we'll talk to Rick he had three different stops, Colorado, UCLA and Washington. Did he actually do all the fact finding when he voted in the college football coaches poll? Also, I gotta bring up the athletic director at Purdue and how would he feel if he was the head coach at Purdue? And your athletic director is basically calling out Indiana, go there. If you don't want to win championships, you can stay here to win championships. 8 7, 7, 3 DP show email address [e-mail] Twitter handle @DP Show Stat of the day brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the Dan Patrick show. WNBA on NBC and Peacock. It'll be Paige Beckers and the Wings taking on Olivia Miles and the links the WNBA live on NBC and Peacock. It's a meat Friday. Dylan, give us the rundown on the menu.

[Dylan]

Well, Dan, we've got a Cajun theme today. So we got blackened chicken and Cajun shrimp, Cajun cream pasta, jambalaya and cheddar biscuits.

[Paul Pabst]

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[Paulie]

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[Pablo Torre]

Anybody?

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[Pablo Torre]

Pablo hi Dan. We are brought together once again by an alleged secret sponsorship deal for Kawhi Leonard. Always good to see you like this. What we were reporting is that two days after I published part one of my now 13 part investigation, which I say knowing how ridiculous that sounds, I'll fully cop to it. This is a 13 part serialized novel at this point. But it's actually an investigation, right? It's an investigative series. And two days after we dropped part one, what happened was I got a tip saying that there is another secret sponsorship for Kawhi leonard that was 1,000%. That is a quote, 1,000% designed to circumvent the salary cap. And I have spent the last 11 months trying to fact check that, confirm it further report the story of why that would be, how it would be and, and it turns out that yes, according to our reporting, we have two sources, two high level sources. One who was under contract with the Clippers and to it Dome project, the other a former Clippers high level source. They both say that the Jumbotron manufacturer Daktronics, which you may not know by name, but you certainly know by sight. Dan, why are you laughing? Jumbotron manufacturers are very very famous. Obviously this one, this one is the one that built the Halo board. This is the 100 million DOL project that Steve Ballmer built to create the greatest Jumbotron in human history. And Kawhi Leonard, according to our reporting, had a secret, unannounced, no evidence that he did anything for it. Multimillion dollar sponsorship for that company which, and I'll just beg one more bit of time here because Daktronics had never hired a celebrity spokesperson or sponsor or endorser or partner like this before or since. And so hard to explain Otherwise, I would say,

[Paul Pabst]

given these sponsorship deals and his salary, how much money was Kawhi Leonard making a year?

[Pablo Torre]

Well, it is a number that we're constantly chasing and that is constantly changing, which is why we chase it. Look, he was, of course, a max player in the NBA. What's interesting though, in that this timeframe we're talking about is actually after Aspiration collapses. So we're looking at 2023 and aspiration is going bankrupt. It's under federal investigation by the end of that year. And so that deal, I'll just remind people, was $28 million under contract for a no show endorsement deal that was never announced. If this is sounding familiar, let me know. And also a $20 million equity deal in the company that was guaranteed to him. So that's $48 million in total value that was guaranteed to Kawhi Leonard on top of his NBA contract. And that's just that. But Aspiration, according to our reporting, is struggling to make the payments in 2023. Of course. And what happens next is the story of these last two episodes we've now done. And what's so interesting, Dan, and I'll answer your question in this context. January 2024 comes around and Kawhi Leonard does something shocking to NBA media. Certainly he takes less than the maximum. And so if you just put this all together, right, a guy who truly is here to earn as much as he possibly can and beyond decides to take less from the Clippers to extend in January of 2024 while also still being owed money from this team sponsor, Aspiration, which according to the bankruptcy filing we obtained, owes him at least $7 million. And so why and how does he do that is what leads me to the story of Daktronics. And so what? We don't know how many millions of dollars were in the Daktronics deal. We are actively, of course, interested in finding that number. But when you're talking about what was he paid beyond the cap, we're talking about the largest alleged salary capture convention scheme in the history of sports, right? We're talking about something that ranges into the 50 plus million dollars, if that would be a reasonable projection beyond what he was allowed to be paid. That's just based on inferences on our reporting.

[Paul Pabst]

Which brings me to when you request to speak to the Clippers owner, Steve Ballmer, the response is what?

[Pablo Torre]

The Clippers have stopped responding to our request for comment. We tell them what's going to be in the episodes. For months now, they've stopped responding. They used to Say stuff like this is all provably false. And I've learned in the story, Dan, that words are very carefully chosen by lawyers. I didn't go to law school, didn't make it to that point, but I've been told that words are important in legal proceedings. Provably false is a big claim. And it's been, it's August 7th, I believe, and it's been 11 to 12 months, right? A year almost, that we've been waiting to show how this is provably false. What I started reporting with aspiration that's now into a second hidden sponsorship. And so we always ask, and what's so interesting about this story is because request for comment is really important to us to get it right, we went to Daktronics, we went to the company itself and asked all of these questions. And what our colleague and collaborator Sam Koppelman learned is that Daktronics wanted a. The first response was, here's our general counsel, talk to them. And Kawhi Leonard had not even been mentioned yet. So I was like, okay, so something already they're on alert. Then they send us to a crisis comms firm. And you love when those enter the room because apparently there's now a crisis. And we still are wondering what do they think the crisis is? Because we have a sense, but we haven't even started talking about that yet. And that crisis comms firm, and this is really important, they say two things that I want to quote for you here. One is, quote, my understanding is Daktronics doesn't have a deal with Kauai right now. And I think the tense of right now is a useful thing to hang a lantern on for a second here. So right now is the tense that they stand behind on the record. The second sentence they say is quote, I don't know what the company. This is the crisis comms firm. I don't know what the company Daktronics wants to say or can say given the Wachtel investigation, end quote. And that is the crisis comms firm volunteering the name of the law firm that the NBA hired to investigate the Clippers for secret no show sponsorships for Kawhi Leonard. And so at this point you're like, okay, you're realizing this is of great interest to Daktronics. They're familiar with this investigation. In fact, they've been managing the crisis of it before we called. And so now when it comes to getting questions and responses about did you have any proof that Kwai did anything? How much was the deal for when did it start? There is no further comment or response.

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[Paul Pabst]

I'm wondering though, how this plays out. If, if these things are true. The NBA, you start with Steve Ballmer. I don't know what you can do with Kawhi Leonard, but give me the scenario or scenarios that you think that how this plays out.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah. So all of this got phenomenally, I think, concrete and tag and tangible when the trade, Kawhi Leonard is traded from the Clippers to the Raptors to the team, by the way, that originally alleged in 2019 that Kawhi Leonard and Dennis Robertson, his uncle, unlicensed agent, had requested benefits beyond the salary cap in violation of the cba. These include no show jobs. These include equity in the companies that they were hoping to get in business with through the team. So the Raptors, I say that to say the Raptors know the backstage of this with unusual clarity as that timeline 2019 is concerned. And so they want to trade for Kawhi Leonard. But what happens is, of course, the trade is frozen. And what I've been told and what has now been reported is that the change is that the NBA puts in front of the Raptors a piece of paper that effectively indemnifies the NBA, the league itself, and the Clippers from any legal resource or negotiation if there are punishments specific to Kawhi Leonard, because those punishments will travel with the player to Toronto. If you pay, you're getting whatever Kawhi ends up being post punishment. And the Raptors in their perhaps eternal wisdom and this backdrop, say then we're not signing this and therefore the trade is not proceeding. And so that trade has been frozen for weeks, obviously. And so the question of, like, what happens next is when is this ruling going to come down? Will this ruling speak to the things that I've been publicly reporting that have been vetted by now? Of course, months of careful investigation in multiple sources. Will that ruling speak to those things? Will there be a punishment? Will the Raptors want to proceed with this deal? And if there is a punishment beyond Kawhi Leonard, because again, that's specific to Kawhi alone. How does this possibly avoid touching the richest owner in American sports, Steve Balber, the guy who was across every bit of this, and Dan, perhaps in the superlative I gave him, you can detect some of the cynicism and the concern that when you're the richest owner in American sports, the game you're playing, even in legal recourse and certainly punishment, it is different from even the normal billionaires that you might have to deal with as Commissioner,

[Paul Pabst]

as the NBA's investigators talked

[Pablo Torre]

to you, they reached out months ago. I met with them. I handed them a bunch of paperwork particular to aspiration, signed contracts, financial documents, and I encouraged them to take all of it as seriously as they can, because I think there's a lot more here even than I can get to as a guy who has, you know, Dan LeBatard as his bleeping boss and one lawyer helping me. So we don't exactly have the resources of a multinational, you know, enterprise. But I think that Wachtel, in listening to the podcast, has a lot to go on, and my hope is that they're doing exactly that.

[Paul Pabst]

Any chance Steve Ballmer is in jeopardy of losing the Clippers, being able to own them?

[Pablo Torre]

I think the question is an Adam Silver question. Right. And this is what's so interesting. Adam Silver is not his mentor, David Stern. Adam Silver is actually the guy who welcomed Steve Ballmer in, in replacement of Donald Sterling and was hailed as this almost Aristotelian, brilliant, progressive leader in comparison to all the other commissioners, Roger Goodell, namely, at that time. And so now he is bookending, perhaps his tenure with the same guy being an even bigger problem, a complicated problem. And so if you're Adam silver and in 2019, when you cleared the Clippers and Steve Ballmer of cap circumvention after investigating the Raptors claims and the Lakers claims, what you have done, by the way, on the record is say salary cap circumvention is the cardinal rule of the NBA. And I think underpinning all of this, Dan, the moment we're in with sports gambling, as the NBA balances a gambling scandal and investigation that we've been covering on the show as well, when they're balancing all of the other cap circumvention theories out there, Gary Trent Jr. Just being the latest hypothesis someone has is the question of whether the rules matter. And if you break the rules, as have been alleged by multiple episodes here of my show and now elsewhere, the question is how do you possibly make it so that the cardinal rule is actually treated like it? And so by any means, standard of fake NBA law, because these are all fake laws. These are all collectively bargained rules that you got to enforce. I think everything should be on the table realistically in terms of the money. And if you follow it, I think there's a very real chance that Steve Ballmer emerges relatively unscathed, which is kind of insane to me, according to my reporting.

[Paul Pabst]

Great stuff. Pablo, thanks for joining us. As always. And good luck with Dan LeBatard.

[Pablo Torre]

I'm going to eat all of it, Dan, as you know with him. So appreciate it.

[Paul Pabst]

Pablo Torre finds out with Meadowlark Media. We'll take a break here. Rick Newheisel, former college coach, now an analyst. He's got some things to answer, including how would he feel if he was the head coach at Florida or Purdue and his athletic director came out and started firing some slings and arrows at Indiana football. Rick's gone through this before himself. Take a break. We're back after this Dan Patrick Show.

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[Paul Pabst]

I'm looking at the latest super bowl odds by DraftKings. The Rams are an overwhelming favorite, plus 550. Then it's the Bills and the Ravens at plus 1000. The defending champion Seahawks plus 1100. Then it's the Eagles, Patriots and Chiefs all at plus 1600. I think if I was going to try to make some money off this, I'd probably look at the Eagles and I'd look at the Lions as well. I don't know what the Lions odds are, Dylan, if you could check on that. But you got everybody back. Everybody's healthy, everybody's in camp, and, man, they take care of their players. When you look at extending their players, you know they've done this on a consistent basis. Yes, Dylan. Yeah.

[Dylan]

So The Lions are 19 to 1 to win, tied with the 49ers.

[Paul Pabst]

Okay.

[Paulie]

All right.

[Paul Pabst]

I don't know if you guys want to get down on that, but I kind of like the Lions as an underdog this year. Anybody with me on that? Yes, Dylan.

[Dylan]

Yeah, I think a light dusting might be in order on the Lions.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah, Sprinkle. If you look at the Lions, they. They produce on draft night. So Jameer Gibbs, he just got extended. Aiden Hutchinson got extended. Jack Campbell got extended. Amon Ross, St. Brown got extended. Penn A. Sewell got extended. Jameson Williams got extended. Kirby Joseph got extended. I mean, that is an impressive track record of drafting players and, you know, keeping them and extending them, giving them another contract. Yeah, Paul.

[Paul Carson]

And if you go back to that draft where they took Jack Campbell, the middle linebacker, and Jameer Gibbs higher than he should have been, they got critiqued for those decisions.

[Paul Pabst]

Criticized, yes. Rick Neuheisel set to join us. Before he does, I want to play the sound from the Purdue athletic director and where he's calling out Indiana sports. Every recruit, every current student athlete will hear this message repeatedly. We are here to win championships. If you don't want to win championships, go to Indiana. Okay, that's Tommy McClellan, the Purdue athletic director, being introduced as the Purdue athletic director. He'd spent, I think, 20 years at Rice. Spring in Rick Neuheisel, former college coach at UCLA in Washington and Colorado, and now a CBS analyst. How would you feel if you're Purdue's head coach Barry Odom, after you hear that from your athletic director?

[Paulie]

I feel exactly like I did when I was at ucla when Pete Carroll had things going at SC and they put out a full page ad. The LA Times, the monopoly is over. I was like, hey, easy now, easy now. Yeah, it is a one way to start. Tommy's not afraid.

[Paul Pabst]

But were you told about the ad in the LA Times, the monopoly?

[Paulie]

I was actually. I was actually apologized to. We don't need to put that kind of heat on you. I said, hey, let's own it, let's go, but let's get the resources. Don't take a knife to a gunfight. Let's. So we'll see how Barry Odom does. Hopefully better than he did when he was aboard that bull when he was in Las Vegas.

[Paul Pabst]

How. How did UCLA do against USC that year?

[Paulie]

Not well. 287 got stuff. Yeah, it was unfortunate. We didn't exactly have the resources.

[Paul Pabst]

I called out the coaches earlier this week. You know, you have the coaches poll and I said, the, the people who watch the least amount of college football are coaches. Because you can't. You only care about the opponent you had and the opponent coming up. Who voted when you were at ucla, Washington, Colorado, who voted in the coaches poll for you?

[Paulie]

It was always our sports information guy. It was Dave Platty at Colorado, Mark Delins at ucla, Jim Daves at Washington. Those guys, you know, were keeping track. They hit, they'd bring me a list. I'd say, we'll move these guys one spot and away we go. Because you're right, there is no time to spend surveying everybody else in the country. You've got to just look after your own.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah, because you don't want to walk into a press conference and have somebody blindside you and say, why did this school get a first place vote from you and you not be aware of it?

[Paulie]

No, exactly right. And now that they put your name on it at the end, maybe you better know exactly what the hell went on that list. But yeah, you don't have time for that. That is absolutely correct.

[Paul Pabst]

Let me go back to Indiana and the run that they had. How sustainable is this?

[Paulie]

Well, I'm not going to put anything past Kurt Signetti because what he's done has been incredible. The church of Signetti is full. Parishioners come from far and wide now to watch what is taking place there. The Mendoza story is one for the ages. The 160 story is one for the ages. I I can't remember a more surprising something happening in sport than that. That was in my lifetime. That was just incredible. You know, the Indiana program that was, you know, worst. Had more losses than anybody else in the history of college football. To go 16, 0 and win against the formidable teams that they just. And to beat Alabama 38, 3. I actually said 35. 3 when I had Signetti in the chair at the big ten media days and he corrected me 38 to three.

[Hayes Davenport]

Yeah.

[Paulie]

Don't take that field goal from me. Oregon and then Miami. In Miami, it was a run of for the ages, remarkable, to say the least. I brought, I think, I think, I think Hoover's, you know, reasonable replacement for Mendoza. We'll see if he can keep from having the, the errant, you know, turnover. If he, if he, if he cleans that up, they're going to be, they're going to be good again.

[Paul Pabst]

Talking to former coach Rick Neuheisel, CBS Sports college football analyst, I was mentioning the coaches top 10 and I was putting price tags, their roster, next to their ranking.

[Paulie]

Right.

[Paul Pabst]

You got to be spending at least 40 million next year. We're going to be knocking on the door going past $50 million. The return on investment. Like, how sustainable is this for these schools to be spending this kind of money?

[Paulie]

Well, that's a fascinating question. I think we're going to be in a survival of the fittest until the new television contracts come up, which is around 20, 30. I think we're just in an era where we're just dealing with that. You can see that private equity is kind of sniffing around. You see the stories out of LSU and they're talking about doing down there. I think everybody's having these conversations. We can't go very much longer. The numbers are going crazy. Brian Kelly just joined us at CBS. He says the numbers at Notre Dame are 50 million. So. And he's sitting there going, I couldn't get a penny out of them for a long time while I was sitting there trying to get facilities built. But it is, it is a wild, wild west, as it's been dubbed many times. It's crazy out there.

[Paul Pabst]

Well, the president urging Congress to pass the Protect College Sports act before recess here. How important is that act to pass?

[Paulie]

I think it's a huge deal. And now that the Big Ten and the SEC have put their endorsement on the bill, it would be wonderful to get that done. But it has to happen today because they go on recess this afternoon and if it, if they don't get that done, there's going to be other things that are more important when they come back. With the midterms coming up, I saw

[Paul Pabst]

where you were working with Brendan Sorsby, the former quarterback at Texas Tech. Now, I don't know what working means. I know that your former college quarterback and you coached quarterbacks in the NFL. How are you, or were you working with Brendan Sorsby?

[Paulie]

All I did, Dan, is I reached out to him. I felt terribly for how he had become in the eye of the storm. You know, the, the kind of. The focal point, I think the bigger issue, obviously he did something that was wrong. Can't bet on your own team. He didn't do it while he was playing. He had a phone where he got into it and, you know, started betting on balls and strikes and, you know, it got away from him and, and hopefully that's behind him. But I remember having been kind of put into the public scorn for having been in a basketball pool, and I became very bitter about who would, you know, throw me to the wolves for doing something that's so commonplace. And I, I just wanted to. To tell Brennan and his father that bitterness only impacts you. Just, just, just move on.

[Caller/Listener]

You.

[Paulie]

There'll be a better day, and you just got to be confident that that day will come. And I, I'm hoping that he can get to the Senior Bowl a year from now, that he can get to, you know, the combine and show his wares. And obviously I'm coaching in that UFL if, if we're a place that he wanted to go. Remember Hunter Deckers, the kid who couldn't play at for a similar deal, ended up being a quarterback in Houston for Kevin Sumlin. And now I think he's in the New Orleans Saints camp. So there's going to be a better day for him. I just wanted to reach out and say, you know, this isn't so much about you. It was about all that was going on. There was a little bit of jealousy about how much money Texas Tech had. And so it became a big story that he just happened to be the target. And I just wanted him to know there will be better days. Don't get caught up in who got you. Just move on.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah, I suggested, just like I did to Pete Rose, if you want to give back, you want to show an act of contrition, volunteer to go around to colleges and even high schools and just say. And have people film it, like, you can make this something positive if you want to. Pete. Pete never did that. He, and I believe if he had done that fallen on his sword, he probably would have gotten on the ballot to go into the hall of Fame and maybe, maybe Sorsby gets a chance, you know, to prove that he can still play football.

[Paulie]

He's, he's, he's a nice kid. I enjoyed talking to him. His father is a nice guy. I'm hopeful that that can be the case. And you know he actually wanted to stay for a time at Texas Tech and be the scout team quarterback but it felt like he was going to be too much of a distraction. So he's just working out and fingers crossed that something good happens for him here down the line and if, if it was a gambling addiction that that's behind him.

[Paul Pabst]

The most pressure to win this year. Which college coach would you say I'm looking at you?

[Paulie]

Well, there's a lot of pressure on Lincoln Riley because the Trojans have never been to the College Football Playoff and they feel like they've got all the pieces this year. You know, they have to get back into the elite category where I think the Trojan fans believe they should be a lot of pressure on in my mind Steve Sarkeesian because Texas has everything. I would say the same at for Dan Lanning with Dante Moore coming back. But maybe the most pressure given the schedule, given what is going on is Notre Dame. Marcus Freeman has it all. He's got this C.J. carr who everybody said at the Manning passing academy was the best guy there and he's got a schedule that might be as ready made. I mean he's supposed to be like a double digit favorite until November. Miami comes to town, that's going to be an epic game. If you beat him in front of the home crowd you then you go to BYU and then you have SMU coming to town. We'll wait and see what the Mustangs look like. But, but that's a schedule that's manageable. It'll be interesting to see. And if Marcus Freeman manages it and keeps that Northern Illinois game from happening, the Irish are going to be right there.

[Paul Pabst]

I'd say Lane Kiffin, you know that game against Ole Miss? Now I know.

[Paulie]

Oh my goodness. Don't you want to just walk in with him to, to the Grove?

[Paul Pabst]

No, I don't know what's going to happen when I'm going to steer clear. I want to be as far away from Lane when he wants.

[Paulie]

I, I, that that is going to be the most anticipated pregame in the history of football.

[Paul Pabst]

He'll eat it up. He'll eat it up. We'll talk soon. Thanks, bud.

[Paulie]

All the best, buddy.

[Paul Pabst]

It's Rick Neuheisel. Yeah, I forgot about that when he was with ucla and you have the rivalry, or at least you want to present yourself as having a rivalry with USC at the time with Pete Carroll, and you wake up and somebody says, hey, did you see the advertisement that UCLA took out in the LA Times? The football monopoly in Los Angeles is officially over. And it's a picture Rick Neuheisel, and it's got UCLA there. You don't even run it by Rick because that might be where you go, you know, maybe let's hold off on this. It's nice to have, you know, how about some inner confidence? We don't need to exude it right away and send a shot across across the bow there with usc. Good stuff. But the Sourcebee thing was interesting as well, because Rick went through this. He did one of those office pools at the University of Washington and ended up winning, I think, a couple of thousand dollars. But, you know, at the time, it was a big deal. It was like, oh, my God, college coach gambling. Well, it was on a different sport, and it was one of those office things. I don't know the punishment of that, Paulie, but I remember Rick faced a lot of scrutiny because of that. But I remember that that was a really big deal. And I think that's what Rick is saying, hey, don't be petty with this. You know, don't hold on to it. Try to move on from this gambling situation, and Brendan Sorsby will hopefully get that opportunity. All right, we'll take a break. It's a meet Friday. If you're watching on Peacock, you can see all of the good stuff out there in the Rec Tech grilling area. We're back after this Dan Patrick show.

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[Paul Pabst]

Last call for phone calls. What we learn what's in store for Monday. Kirk Herbstreet will join us on the program on Monday. I know that we've been talking about Indiana and Purdue. We were talking more Indiana, Purdue football. After the Purdue athletic director called out Indiana, I asked Dylan, can you find the March Madness title odds? Why don't we start projecting? Looking forward to basketball with Indiana and Purdue. Which school has better odds to win the national championship? If you said Indiana, you would be correct at plus 5,000, Purdue at plus 5,500. Florida and Duke are your Co favorites right now, followed by Connecticut and Illinois. Let me see. Trip in Vegas. Tripp, thanks for holding. What do you have for me today?

[Caller/Listener]

Hey, good morning, dp. Always good to speak with y'. All. So yesterday you were talking about horse names for your horse. However, I've come up with three names if Todd was a horse. So he would either be the Dan at Donkey, the Back Row Burrow, or a double callback, the no Joke Slowpoke. Y' all have a good weekend.

[Paul Pabst]

Thank you. True. It's a daily roast for me. Trip's got it out for you. What is that all about? I still think it. I have no idea. But I, I, I'm still good on. Thank you, Todd, for my horse. If, if I get that opportunity to suggest a name to. What do they call the group, though, Dylan? You know, not a consortium, but what's it called when you get a bunch of people who are investing in a, in a horse? Is there like a one word? Yeah. There you go. Thank you. You can take off the Purdue hat if you want to. I mean, you've, you've been wearing it in support of the Boilermakers for most of the show. I'm sure they value your support. Ben in Iowa. Hi, Ben. What do you have for me today?

[Caller/Listener]

All right, DP and Harmony. How we doing, guys? Hey, listen, so I was just curious. Maybe somebody's brought this up. I'm coming to you from the land of Cyclones and Hawkeyes. Having to explain to people that I'm an Indiana football fan for the last 30 some years of my life has been just nauseating. And then all of a sudden, now we're flipping it around, and now I'm having to explain to people that I'm not a bandwag jumper. It's weird, right? It's just hard to do. But I was born in Indianapolis, and then we moved here when I was a real young kid. So I have a question for you guys. Do you guys know, Maybe somebody's looked this up? Maybe somebody's brought it up. You guys know how many championships are between Indiana University and Purdon University?

[Paul Pabst]

What is it? 25 for Indiana, three for Purdue. Is that the latest math on this? I believe so. Indiana used to have great swimming teams as well, but, you know, these are national championships. The athletic director didn't specify what sport we were talking about. Let me see. How about this day in sports history?

[Paul Carson]

Paul, I got one fun one for you, Dan. 1907, Senators pitcher Walter Johnson made his major league debut. He pitched in the majors for 21 seasons. Guess how many complete games he had as a starter? 531 complete games in his career. 531. And 110 shutouts in 21 seasons.

[Paul Pabst]

No relief pitching on this date. In 1999, Wade Boggs got his 3,000th hit. He was the first ever to hit a home run for his 3,000th. Derek Jeter ended up doing that. But also on this date in 2016, Ichiro had his 3,000th career hit. It was a triple. Now, I don't know how many other players. Maybe back in the old days when, you know, there were a lot more triples in the game, but I don't know how many players had a triple other than ichiro for their 3,000th hit. Let's see. Fresh in Milwaukee. Yeah, Paulie.

[Paul Carson]

It's Ichiro and Paul Molitor, the only two in history to do it.

[Paul Pabst]

Fresh in Milwaukee. Here comes that what stat of the day. What? Hey, Fresh, what do you have for me today?

[Caller/Listener]

Adp, Got a quick one for you. And the Danette NFL season coming up. I just want to know what. Which NFL head coach or player needs a ring this season to completely reshape how history and Catton will view their career?

[Paul Pabst]

Oh, let's see. Yes, Marvin. Dan Campbell, he will be immortalized if

[Hayes Davenport]

he brings the super bowl to the Lions.

[Paul Pabst]

Okay, what about a player? Anybody who needs to solidify now, we can say Josh Allen, more Jackson. But about. Aside from those.

[Dylan]

Yes, Dylan, in the Dan Campbell vein, Jared Goff wouldn't hurt, especially after, you know, obviously going to the super bowl with the Rams and losing. I think if he wins one with the Lions, that's.

[Paulie]

It's compelling.

[Dylan]

Hmm.

[Paul Pabst]

Okay. Yeah. That feels like it's going to be more valuable than just one Super Bowl. If the Lions would happen to win, and I don't know why they're not higher up on the list. I know that their division is more competitive, but the Lions, it was about health. They got weapons. You got experience. They've certainly learned. If it's true, you have to learn to lose or learn, you know, to get through losing. Detroit's well versed in that. Let's go around the room. What we learned on the program. Todd, what'd you learn today?

[Paulie]

Alabama, who used to always successfully run

[Pablo Torre]

the football, was ranked 124th nationally in

[Paul Pabst]

rushing yards last season. Yikes. Dylan, what did you learn?

[Dylan]

Cake and champagne ain't going to cut it for a wedding dinner.

[Paul Pabst]

No, no. The end result was really bad casualties. Marvin, you can't catch a lisp.

[Paul Carson]

Paul Carson back Hall of Famer.

[Paul Pabst]

My thanks to Anthony, who kept me company up here. We'll talk to you on Monday from the Man Cave in Maine.

[Pablo Torre]

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