Hour 3 - Playoff Seeding, Dan Hurley

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show Episode: Hour 3 - Playoff Seeding, Dan Hurley Release Date: April 7, 2025

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Introduction

In this engaging third hour of The Dan Patrick Show, hosts Brendan Patrick Hughes and George M. Johnson delve deep into the contentious topic of NFL playoff seeding reforms proposed by Commissioner Roger Goodell. The discussion transitions seamlessly into an insightful interview with Dan Hurley, the esteemed head coach of the UConn Huskies men's basketball team, following the Huskies' recent tournament exit. This episode offers listeners a comprehensive exploration of playoff dynamics in football and a candid conversation about leadership and resilience in college basketball.

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1. NFL Playoff Seeding Reforms

Overview: Brendan and George kick off the hour by dissecting Commissioner Roger Goodell's proposal to overhaul the NFL playoff seeding system. The primary focus is shifting from division titles to overall team records, aiming to intensify the competitiveness of late-season games.

Key Points:

• Elimination of Guaranteed Home Games: Goodell's proposal seeks to remove the automatic home playoff games for division winners who might have sub-.500 records. Instead, playoff spots and hosting privileges would be strictly based on the best team records across the league.

  "The commissioner became visibly irritated at the resistance to the measure. The goal is to make more late season games interesting," – Brendan Patrick Hughes [07:50]

• Impact on Team Strategies: This change is expected to prioritize overall performance over divisional success, potentially altering how teams approach late-season matchups. The hosts discuss the possibility of more meaningful games towards the end of the regular season, as every win becomes crucial for playoff positioning.

  "I think this will make the games later in the season mean more because, you know, you could host a playoff game," – Dan Hurley [16:30]

• Potential Compromises: Brendan and George speculate on the likelihood of the proposal passing, comparing it to past rule changes like the "Tush Push." They anticipate modifications, such as ensuring teams with better records host playoff games even if they didn't win their division.

  "I think he's going to do sort of some background negotiating, arm twisting here to make sure that they and maybe you modify it or maybe just says, you know what, we never should have allowed this," – Brendan Patrick Hughes [07:00]

Notable Quotes:

• "It takes two to collapse." – Brendan Patrick Hughes [13:43]
• "We have the lead with under a minute to go and I couldn't be more proud." – Dan Hurley [13:07]

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2. Interview with Dan Hurley, UConn Men’s Basketball Coach

Overview: The latter half of the episode features an in-depth conversation with Dan Hurley following UConn's second-round loss to Florida in the NCAA tournament. Hurley reflects on the game, his coaching philosophy, team dynamics, and the future prospects of his program.

Key Points:

• Acknowledging the Loss: Hurley expresses his thoughts on the tough loss against a championship-caliber Florida team, emphasizing the honor in competing closely against top-tier opponents.

  "It's more honorable that, you know, kind of at the run we've been on, you know, where we kind of fell at the hands of a championship level team," – Dan Hurley [26:53]

• Analyzing the Game: He critiques Duke's performance, particularly their struggle in high-pressure endgame situations, attributing their downfall to lack of close-game experience compared to Houston's seasoned team.

  "Houston's got some wolves out there, you know, making it really tough on you." – Dan Hurley [27:44]

• Coaching Philosophy: Hurley discusses the differences between coaching freshmen and juniors, highlighting the importance of experience, maturity, and repeated exposure to high-stakes games.

  "Repetitions, game experiences, you know, just haven't been in those positions, you know, before." – Dan Hurley [31:13]

• Handling Pressure and Relationships: The conversation touches on Hurley's intense coaching style and his interactions with officials, which have drawn both praise and criticism. He contemplates the need for potentially modifying his approach to manage these interactions better.

  "I wish somebody could have stopped me from having some of the fan interactions." – Dan Hurley [35:44]

• Team Roster and Future Plans: Hurley provides insights into his current team roster, addressing concerns about the transfer portal's impact and reaffirming his commitment to building a championship-contending squad.

  "It's better than it was, you know, last week." – Dan Hurley [42:15]

Notable Quotes:

• "I just think that the interaction with people not on my team or I would like to probably have less of that." – Dan Hurley [39:03]
• "If all you're in this for is to win championships, and if that's the only joy that you get from coaching, you've become basically a monster." – Dan Hurley [40:09]

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3. Listener Interactions and Additional Insights

Overview: Throughout the episode, Brendan and George engage with listeners' calls, offering their perspectives on various sports topics. These interactions provide a diverse array of opinions and add depth to the primary discussions.

Key Points:

• March Madness Predictions: Brendan shares DraftKings odds for next year's March Madness, highlighting UConn's strong position despite this year's setbacks.

  "But they're the favorites to win the national championship next year. Then it's Houston, Connecticut, BYU and Purdue." – Sean from New Mexico [08:30]

• Coaching Legends: The hosts draw parallels between Dan Hurley's achievements and those of legendary coaches like John Wooden and Red Auerbach, emphasizing the rarity of sustained success in sports.

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• Fan Perspectives: Listeners express their support and share personal anecdotes related to their favorite teams and players, enriching the overall discussion with real-world experiences.

  "It's just different when you're talking about different sports." – Listener Eddie from New York [18:45]

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Conclusion

In this episode of The Dan Patrick Show, listeners are treated to a multifaceted exploration of sports leadership and playoff dynamics. Brendan Patrick Hughes and George M. Johnson expertly navigate complex topics, offering thoughtful analysis and fostering meaningful dialogue with their guests and audience. Whether dissecting potential NFL playoff reforms or gleaning wisdom from a revered basketball coach, this episode stands out for its depth, engagement, and insightful commentary.

Notable Takeaways:

• NFL Playoff Seeding: The proposed shift to record-based seeding could revolutionize how teams strategize throughout the season, potentially increasing the stakes of late-game performances.

• Dan Hurley's Leadership: Hurley's candid reflections on coaching pressures, team dynamics, and personal growth provide valuable lessons in resilience and adaptability within competitive sports environments.

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Listen to Energy Line with Nate and jsb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio Final hour on this Monday. Best and worst of the weekend. What you saw that you liked, you didn't like. UConn Huskies head coach Dan Hurley will join us on the program. If you missed last hour, Gino Oriemma joined us fresh from his 12th national championship. You can always go back. Listen to it on the app. DanPatrick.com 8773 DP show email address dpdanpatrick.com Twitter handle @DP show the Yukon Women rolled to a national title tonight. It's Florida against Houston. Florida is a slight favorite and Alex Ovechkin passes Wayne Gretzky the same number of games that it took Wayno to get to his number. Ovechkin breaks the record and the Blue Jays quietly give Vlad Guerrero Jr. $500 million. Not sure how you quietly give somebody $500 million, but it seemed like that they were negotiating for a while. Good morning. If you're watching on Peacock, thank you for downloading the app. We say good morning to our radio affiliates around the country. Best and worst of the weekend. What you saw that you liked, you didn't like. I've been keeping an eye on this story because everybody is focusing on the brotherly shove. And I think the commissioner wants to get it out of the game. That's why they tabled it. They're going to vote on it again in May. I think he's going to do sort of some background negotiating, arm twisting here to make sure that they and maybe you modify it or maybe just says, you know what, we never should have allowed this. We're going to go back to the way it was in 2005. The other thing is the league office ask the Detroit Lions to propose playoff seeding based on record, regardless of a divisional championship. The commissioner wants this, so the commissioner, the teams have to make the request. Here's the commissioner Saying to the Lions, reportedly, I would like for you to make this request. According to multiple sources, it became clear during last week's league meetings that Roger Goodell wants to eliminate the guaranteed home playoff game for, you know, somebody, if you have a losing record and win your division or your record is not as good as the team that you're going to be facing. According to Pro Football Talk, one source in the room for the session said the commissioner became visibly irritated at the resistant to the measure. The goal is to make more late season games interesting, but there's no guarantee that will happen in 2024. For example, the final game of the regular season between the Vikings and Lions would have had lower stakes since the loser still would have hosted a playoff game the following weekend. The Lions proposal was tabled to May. Tabled is good in a way that if you want to wait another month and then you go, oh, that got passed. Do I think this is going to get passed just like the Tush push? Yes, I do. Yes. And according to Pro Football Talk, the compromise would be that divisional winners with sub.500 records won't host a wild card game. Another possibility is to recede after the wild card round. Yeah, I think that's what they should do after the wild card round, just recede. Be fair to the teams that played well during the regular season and your record should count. Now, I know it's not balanced with who you're facing in your division. And the NFC west may play the AFC East. I understand all of that, but I still think if you had 13 wins, but you're not hosting a playoff game and you're hosting somebody who had 10 wins or they're hosting you, I don't think that's right. But the commissioner wants to recede. But the fact that he would say to the Lions, hey, you guys, you guys must be bothered about that, you know, playoff format, right? No, no, no, we're all right. You know, we take care of business. No, no. You're not happy with it. Oh, that. Yeah, that's right. We're not happy. What do you want us to do? I want you guys to bring this up. Maybe we could vote on it and let's recede in the tournament. Okay, sure. And all of a sudden you bring it up. Then all of a sudden, you know what? We're gonna table this until May. Next order of business here. The Tush push. Kind of like the idea of like, you know, not right now. Table it. Let's table this until.

[George M. Johnson]

You know what?

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

I don't know That I have the patience for this right now. Why don't we just kick that can down the road a minute? Stat of the day brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards of the Dan Patrick show. Let me see. James in New Mexico joins us. Hi, James. What's on your mind? By the way, I got DraftKings odds to win March Madness next year. Just to let you know, we haven't even crowned this year's champ with the men's and I've got the odds to win the national championship for next year given the fact that Duke is going to lose three, that they're going to lose four of their starters, I'm guessing. But they're the favorites to win the national championship next year. Then it's Houston, Connecticut, BYU and Purdue. Hey, James, what's on your mind today? Hey, Dan, thanks for taking the call. I was just calling to see in.

[George M. Johnson]

All the sports, has there been anything.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Coaching wise as dominant as Gino and what he's done? It may not be fair to judge across all sports, but just so impressive. I don't know if we'll really see anything like it ever again. Well, you've had and you have to go back in sports what John Wooden did, what 10 titles 12 years. What Red Arbach and the Celtics did as well. But yeah, modern day and even Geno addressed this, that he has players who stay there for three, four years. Nobody's transferring. He. He lost one player. What is it? Deladon. And, and she was a hall of fame player and she went to Delaware, but she went to UConn. And she was a wonderful player, but she didn't want to for whatever reason. She was homesick. Then she went to Delaware, still became a great WNBA player. But they, they don't lose players and they're staying. And as Gino said, look, you would have had one and doners with the Brianna Stewart, I mean go down the lip. Maya Moore, he was Diana Tausa. They'd be one and done. But they're staying four years. So it's a decided advantage for him in the sport that he coaches in.

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah, Paul, he's won 12 of the last 30 NCA tournaments. That's nutty.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

12 of 30, but he's been in 24 Final Fours. 24 Lucas in Texas. Hi, Luke. What's on your mind today? Hey, Dan. Good morning. Good morning. Hey, on a weekend like this, there's nothing but best. I have a best of the weekend. And who had the best weekend in that hour one poll question. My, my Best the weekend has to be Houston and Duke Q Town, as one of your Danites would refer to it, just a great game. I thought it was so telling that Kelvin Sampson said when they made this three pointer to make it a three point deficit, that's when they knew they had a game. It just shows the telling, you know, the things you've been hammering home for.

[George M. Johnson]

Such a long time.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

The amount of emphasis that experience and being together as a team for multiple years has over a roster full of super talented freshmen. And then who had the best weekend? I'm actually going to go off the board and throw up. Our man, Mr. Marvin Prince. You know, it's easy to feel, you know, a little disappointed that your UConn Huskies lost a great game to Florida in the second round in the men's program.

[George M. Johnson]

And I guess he just has to.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Wipe his tears with parade confetti from the women's team. So, you know, life is. Life is good for one of our. One of our danettes.

[George M. Johnson]

So I'm going to.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

I'm going to throw him up. All right. Well, thank you, Lucas. Would you have rather had the men win a national championship, Go3 Pete, or that the women win a national championship again?

[George M. Johnson]

Marvin, now sticking the women because Paige never won. And like you said, it's been nine years.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

That's a long time for you. That's the longest drought for UConn. It's a long time since Geno's first national championship.

[George M. Johnson]

From his last championship till yesterday. That was the longest drought of his career since he started winning national championships.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Here is Cooper Flagg, the Duke forward, talking about his final season.

[George M. Johnson]

I mean, it was an incredible season. Incredible people, incredible relationships that I'm going to have for the rest of my life. Didn't end the way we wanted to, but still an incredible year.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

And then here's his coach, John Shire, on what happened.

[George M. Johnson]

Well, it's hard to process still. And, you know, I thought our guys did an incredible job the whole game. And, you know, I thought we had some good looks, didn't finish. You have to give Houston a ton of credit. And then still, even with that, you know, we have the lead with under a minute to go, and I couldn't be more proud. I'm not about to hang our head. I mean, this is part of it. You gotta. You gotta handle the wins and you gotta handle the losses, too. And in a moment like this, know we're this close. And, you know, we felt we were the best team. The best team tonight was Houston.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

You're up six with a little over 30 seconds to go with the ball and your Duke. That's claps. That's claps. But you can say, if you look at this, a forced collapse, because Houston, there's only so much they can do if Duke doesn't turn the ball over. If Duke makes their shots, if they hit a free throw, then it doesn't. It doesn't matter what Houston does. It takes two to collapse. Two to tango. It takes two to collapse. We'll talk to Dan Hurley, the men's coach coming up here in a little bit. The Lakers had a win against Oklahoma City, and they had a great night shooting. But the reason why I bring this up, with the win, the Lakers have now won for their last five, and they're in third place in the Western Conference. So if the playoffs started today, or let's say Sunday, they would host the Minnesota Timberwolves in the first round. The Thunder have the number one seed in the west, but the Lakers proved, at least for a game, that we can go toe to toe with the best team in basketball right now. But they did shoot the ball extremely well. Jake and Buffalo. Hi, Jake. What's on your mind today? Adp. That's north of the weekend, no worse. But the best was Ovechkin. It's really cool to see that, be able to witness history. I wasn't old enough to see Gretzky at the time, so getting to watch that, sharing it with my kids, was pretty cool. And a stat around that. The lowly Buffalo Sabers are tied with the jets for the longest active playoff drought. And since the last time the Sabres have made the playoffs, ovechkin had scored 494 of his goals. Stat of the Day brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the Dan Patrick show. Who knew the Sabers were going to be catching strays today with Alex Ovechkin? Terry in Rochester. Hi, Terry. What's on your mind? How you doing today, Dan? Good, Terry.

[George M. Johnson]

Long time. I wanted.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

I've been wanting to say this, man, I couldn't. This is the first time I've been on this year. Man, that. That Minnesota record was a perfect example. What I've been talking about. I don't think you should, you know, really, you know, have a home field game if you're the division winner. But I would say this. If you have three to four, we.

[George M. Johnson]

Can make it three.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

If you got three more wins than a division winner, you should have to go to their house. I think they would agree with that.

[George M. Johnson]

More Than just, oh, we got a better record. So we go to their house.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

What do you think, Dan? Well, I'm okay with receding. I am. But then we talked about that with college football. It's tougher. With college football, with the playoffs to recede, I think they gotta take out the Automatic qualifiers, the AQs, and let's just go by record. Instead of, you won the Big 12 or you won the Mountain west, you should not get an automatic berth into the second round. But with the NFL playoffs, I, I'm fine with that. You want to recede it, great. You win your division. How many wins do you have? I, I think this will make the games later in the season mean more because, you know, you could host a playoff game. You know, if you're Minnesota and you go, we're not going to be able to have the number one seed, Detroit will. But we're going to be able to host a playoff game. I think the added importance, and especially when we go to 18 games, I just don't want to have a team have nothing to play for in the final three weeks of the season. And if you have to make sure that you have the best record, then, you know, maybe these games will mean a little bit more. Yes, Pauling, while the NFL is making.

[George M. Johnson]

Tweaks to the playoffs, would you guys be in favor of this? And I have not seen it pose.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Or suggested a team with a losing.

[George M. Johnson]

Record cannot play in the playoffs. If you have a losing record, you, you, you, you don't qualify for the playoffs. Would you guys be in favor of that?

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

No.

[George M. Johnson]

Really?

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

No.

[George M. Johnson]

It doesn't happen often. 2010, Seattle, I think 14. It's happened like five times the past 15 years.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

I don't think you should host a playoff game if you win your division and you have a losing record. Yes, yes, Martin, because that means you.

[George M. Johnson]

Would have to get rid of divisions. What good is it being the division champ if you can't get to the playoffs?

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Yeah, yeah, but receding it, I'm fine with that. I don't have an issue with that. Eddie in New York. Hi, Eddie. What's on your mind today? Hey. 511, 225.

[George M. Johnson]

First time, long time, big fan.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

So I'm calling about the dynasty. Gino Oremma, 12 championships in 30 years. Penn State wrestling, 12 championships in 15 years. Cale Sanderson. All right, well, thank you, Eddie. Yeah, it's different. I mean, it's a secondary sport. They're really good at it. There's five schools that are really good at it. It feels like year in and year out, kind of decade in and out where, you know, you're going to have Oklahoma State is always good and Penn State's always good and Iowa's always good. But yeah, there's a, there's a few more schools involved with this that are playing at a high level with the other sports. So, yes, you do have, I, I'm sure somebody's going to bring up, you know, water polo or baseball and, and, you know, fine, great, you can recognize them. It's just different when you're talking about different sports. All right, we'll take a break. Dan Hurley, the men's basketball coach at UConn will join us coming up next here. Yeah. DAN Patrick show. FOX Sports Radio has the best sports.

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I'm paired up with one of my favorite players, the always quotable Nate Thompson.

[George M. Johnson]

I wore nine NHL sweaters and I have story after story to share and believe it or not, I have plenty to say and not just about hockey.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Believe me, he does Energy Line with Nate and JSB is the name of the podcast and it's going to be.

[George M. Johnson]

Well, it's going to be quite the ride. We're officially linemates, Nate. We're the Energy Line. We'll have plenty of folks join us, current players, some of my former teammates, hall of Famers. And wait till you see some of the connections that Julie has. She has quite the Rolodex.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Okay, we'll lean into Nate's playing experience and tap into our interests away from hockey and try to do it. Energy Lines are are supposed to do, provide an emotional boost. How do you feel about all that, Nate?

[George M. Johnson]

I'm vibing, Julie. I'm ready to roll.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Listen to Energy Line with Nate and jsb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. More of your phone calls coming up. 8773-DP-SHoVE email address dpdanpatrick.com Twitter handle @dpshow 2026 March Madness title odds according to DraftKings next year, Duke, Houston, UConn, BYU and Purdue. He's the head coach for the men's team at Connecticut, two time defending national champs. At least until tomorrow or late tonight. Dan Hurley joining us on the program. Good to talk to you again, Coach. Did you watch the games, the semifinal games?

[George M. Johnson]

I did. Unlike, you know, unlike after the 22 season where, you know, where we had that first round exit and I ignored the rest of the tournament. I've watched as many of the games as I, as I possibly could since we've been eliminated.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

You lose to Florida, second round. But do you take any solace with the fact that Florida here playing for a national championship?

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah, I do. I think it's a, it's more honorable that, you know, kind of at the run we've been on, you know, where we kind of fell at the hands of, you know, of a championship level team that's, you know, one game away from experience in the championship glory. So yeah, I mean, if we would have lost to like a lower seeded team or a team that, you know, it was not of the championship caliber, I guess it feels more honorable, you know, have a 113 in a row in that tournament in the fashion we did, you know, to have it all, you know, to have it all end at hands of, of the Gators. There's this price, some honor in that.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

How do you explain what happened with Duke and Houston at the end of that game?

[George M. Johnson]

I mean, I, I mean I can't, you know, imagine, you know, just kind of. Well, no, I can't imagine, you know, what, what John and his staff and those players are feeling. I mean, it felt like, you know, they were the, the best team, you know, the best team in the country this year. I think their roster, the way they put it together was, was meticulous. I think the, the quality of both ends of the court, you know, was what. They were playing basketball at an incredibly high level, you know, with high level NBA players. But just the fact that they were not in enough close games, I think, you know, I think the fact that they dominated so much throughout conference play, I, the separation between them and the other teams in their conference really hurt them when they got to those end of game situations where they haven't had to shoot a lot of pressure. One pressure free throws, one on ones. They had to inbound the ball versus full denial with a three point lead or a one point lead. They were, you know, they were in a type of game that Houston had been in a bunch, you know, because of, you know, playing in the Big 12, afforded them more opportunities. I think that came back to haunt them.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

I brought this up a long time ago. I brought it up subsequently. You go back to UNLV when you and LV blew out Duke, your brother's team, and then that following year, and we thought they were invincible. And I remember talking about, you Want to see a team play a close game. You just want to have that feeling, you know, what you're doing. And this isn't all on the freshman at Duke, but still you got young players and you got a veteran Houston team and sometimes freshmen act like freshmen, no matter how great they are. But as a coach, what role would you play in a situation like that?

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah, I think, you know, some of the, the, I would say the situational things that you experience in a, you know, with that true game pressure, you know, and, and you know, Duke goes in as the favorite. Just kind of like we were last year, where, you know, we're playing at such a high level. They had, you know, dominated the first, you know, four rounds of the tournament. Obviously the Arizona game, you know, ended up being an eight point game or an eight point win. But, you know, at times in that game they, they look dominant, but I just think that they, you could practice situational basketball all you want, but you cannot simulate the game pressure that you feel, you know, when your inbounder has got to run the baseline and throw a pass through a narrow window to a player being face guarded by a wolf. I mean, Houston's got some wolves out there, you know, making it really tough on you. And you know, for us last year, we weren't very good in close games, you know, the games during the course of the year. I don't think we were great in one possession games the last two years. But there was a window, I think for Duke in that game to keep that game double figures, keep that game 12, 14 back down to 10, get it back up to 15, you know, but they, they just, they stop scoring.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

The difference in coaching a freshman and coaching a junior, what's the biggest difference?

[George M. Johnson]

I just think of, you know, repetitions, game experiences, you know, just haven't been in those positions, you know, before, you know, more practices under their belt, more, you know, more life experiences, you know, just a little bit more, you know, maturity, a little more, you know, worldliness, a little, you know, just a little bit more, you know, prepared. Have experienced more failures, have experienced, you know, different types of successes. Just a little, little more grizzled.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Talking to Dan Hurley. You're still the reigning national champs, at least for 12 more hours.

[George M. Johnson]

That's why I got my. I'm wearing it today, Dan. I'm wearing it there.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

There's a trophy behind you. There's a pair of shoes on top of that trophy. Whose shoes are those?

[George M. Johnson]

Oh, J.R. smith, you know, J.R. swish. That was my first great Player that played for me at St. Benedict's and the first play went to the NBA out of high school. So was. That was his rookie year shoe with the Hornets.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Okay. Any other memorabilia that might surprise us?

[George M. Johnson]

I got. Well, I think a lot of people like the underwear over. Those are my lucky underwear. Not many men have their underwear on a plaque in their office. Obviously the gladiator health. That explains a lot about me right there. The lion head behind it.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

You haven't gotten in trouble in a while, have you?

[George M. Johnson]

No, I. I've. I've got a lot of self aware. Well, I don't have a lot of self. I have enough. I have enough self awareness and situational awareness that I skipped San Antonio and I decided not to parade myself around the Final Four and to, you know, to take a break, to let people have a little bit of a break for me and then, you know, just to, you know, reflect on the year, the run we've been on and obviously it was the first real chance Dan I've had really since we were eliminated from the tournament 22, you know, through to that Florida loss in the tournament. You know, your lot. My life's been a whirlwind of some incredible moments and, and some moments that, you know, aren't as. Aren't as. Aren't as great.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

But I remember when you turned down the Lakers and we talked and you said you weren't mature enough yet for a job like that. Your words. Yeah, I. How do you mature? Like what. What do you. What are you doing? Anything to mature.

[George M. Johnson]

You know, that's a tough one. I think, number one, I'll say this, a lot of. I feel like the biggest mistake I made this year was not being able to, you know, put together and develop a championship team. You know, I. When I look at this year, for me, you know, that. That's the thing that I regret the most, is that I wasn't able to, you know, to put together another team that was. Could experience championship glory. You know, some of the things I think that, you know, whether it's, you know, my relationship with officials or, you know, some of the fan interactions or the different things that, that come with me. Part of what makes me successful is, is my passion. It's my intensity. It's. It's this, you know, when you're winning it, when you're winning championships, these, these same things have gone on when you're winning championships. It's called relentlessness. You know, I've been called relentless the past two years, even though I've Been experiencing the same types of interactions with fans and officials. You know, this year it's been called, you know, immature. It's been called a lot of things because, you know, my team isn't on top. I haven't changed a whole lot that way.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

If you had a little earpiece and your wife was allowed to talk to you on the sidelines during a game, how do you think that would go?

[George M. Johnson]

I think that I'd be here. Stop.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Shut up.

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah, I mean I would say that from a. I think that my relationships with officials now, you know, the Florida, you know, the Florida post game, I regret that one greatly. You know that that was. I. There was literally one play call, there was one drive to the rim that I felt if we clearly got fouled on that would have kept that game In a two possession game, that was just, it was ringing in my mind that it wasn't like multiple calls I felt were missed and it was just this one play that I could not get out of my mind as I was heading through that tunnel and as I saw the Baylor players, I deeply regret that. I mean we, we missed a lot of open shots and credit Florida and Clayton, I mean, you know, their championship level. But you know, that one I regret deeply. I didn't believe that. And that was embarrassing. When I look at other ones that were, you know, embarrassing that I'm the best coach in the country, that was embarrassing. I wish somebody could have stopped me from having moment a lot of some of the fan interactions. I've got to get somebody. I think that maybe could just walk me on and off the court. Maybe like college football has those guys that walk the coach to the other coach and then just get them off the court. Maybe I need to get somebody that could just when the game ends just get me on and off the court because I don't think that my in game coaching. I want to change a lot because we've been really successful.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

But what is it about officials though?

[George M. Johnson]

I don't think it's as bad as it's made out to be. I've watched these other officials and listen, I've earned. You earn your reputation. You know, I'm definitely a tough coach to officiate because I'm very demanding and I value every single possession in the game because I know how important they are, you know, and, and, but I've also modeled myself after maybe an older, you know, generation of coaches. You know, I'm just an intense coach and I think I'm intense in a very similar way to coach Sampson tonight. I think if you watch Coach Sampson closely tonight, he's a very intense coach, and he's going to be very demanding of the officials.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Well, you're like your dad, though.

[George M. Johnson]

You would hate my father. I mean, everyone and my dad.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

No, I like being around your dad socially. When he. When he puts his teeth in and he, you know, you know, we. We have a conversation. I enjoyed being around, and we were. I don't know what we were watching, like, I don't know, some sitcom or not even a sitcom is some cop show. When I went to his apartment in Jersey City and I'm going, hey, seems really nice. He's just a nice guy. And then you hear these horror stories about how demanding your dad was.

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah. I mean, Dan, you know, it's like you got to be able to separate the competitor, you know, the combatant.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

But could you coach like this like you are right now?

[George M. Johnson]

No.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

You couldn't just be like.

[George M. Johnson]

It doesn't line up with our play style. It doesn't line up with the intensity that we play with. It doesn't. It doesn't line up with how we attack the offensive glass or, you know, how hard we play defensively. And it's not just me. It's our whole bench. I mean, we lead the country in warnings from officials to have everyone sit down. I mean, everyone on my bench is, like, out of pocket. Like, it's just. We're an emotional program. We're a passionate program, and I don't think I'm going to change a whole lot of that. I would. But I do. You know, upon reflection, I think that the interaction with people not on my team or I would like to probably have less of that.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

When do you walk down the hall to congratulate Gino?

[George M. Johnson]

I guess I'm going to wait for maybe to sober up. I mean, I wouldn't remember.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

I talked to him last hour.

[George M. Johnson]

How did he look?

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

He looked like a million bucks. Hair was combed. I mean, he looked like Gino.

[George M. Johnson]

I mean, he. He, he. I mean, we text. We talk. You know, we were texting before, you know, all of his games. And. And, I mean, he. He saved my season from completely unraveling in. In November. So I. I owe a lot to Geno. And what did he do? I mean, right when we got back from Maui, as. As I. As I had erupted like a volcano in Maui and come back to try to pick the pieces up, I was in a bad, bad place. I was coaching angry. I was coaching frustrated. I. You know, I. I knew I Didn't have. Deep down, I knew, you know, I didn't have a team that could compete for a championship. And I was trying to come to grips with that, and he helped kind of talk me through, you know, like, if all you're in this for is to win championships, and. And like, if that's the only joy that you get from coaching, you've become basically a monster.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

How's the transfer portal, by the way?

[George M. Johnson]

Oh, my God. Yeah, I mean, like, no one is. I mean, when. That Monday, when you come to the realization that, like, literally no one is on your team, you know, like that Monday, because even if you're not in the portal, because it's now, a lot of it is being conducted by agents, you know, so even if you're not in the portal, you're in the portal because schools now, you know, they reach out for the agent, and, you know, these agents are representing the players. So even if a player hasn't kind of formally gone in the port portal, schools will now reach out for agents and make offers to players, you know, that way, indirectly. And a lot of deals, I guess, are agreed upon before players even go in, which is not the way that. That we do business. We, you know, it's. It's a mess.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

How many players are officially on your roster?

[George M. Johnson]

I think right now I could sit here and say that we definitely have eight players on our team, you know, and we could have as many as 10, I think, you know, maybe two potentially are. Are undecided whether that's, you know, going to the NBA. Obviously, Alex Caribbean's got to make a decision on what he wants to do with this last year. You know, I'd imagine he'll be deciding at some point soon here, maybe this week. And then, you know, then we have another player who's, you know, deciding. So. Yeah, I mean, right now. And listen, it's better than it was, you know, last week. I think there was a point where I think I felt like I had, like, one guy plus the high school guys, and we got three McDonald's all Americans and a Tasmanian dude who I think is going to be really good. So we're excited about that.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

All right. If you need help and filling out the roster, like practicing, just let me know. Wait, don't laugh like that.

[George M. Johnson]

We're used to deep. When you get used to deep runs, Dan, I feel like I got to do better.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

You do. Good to talk to you. Thank you, coach.

[George M. Johnson]

Later, Dan.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

That's Dan Hurley. 11 hours. Then he's still the defending national champs two time defending national champs. All right, we'll take a break. Last call for phone calls. What we learn what's in store tomorrow. After this, be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

[George M. Johnson]

I'm Camila Ramon Peloton's first Spanish speaking cycling and tread instructor. I'm an athlete, entrepreneur and almost most importantly, a parreo Enthusiastic and I'm Liz Ortiz, former pro soccer player and Olympian. And like, call me a parrel enthusiast. Come on, who is it? Our podcast, Hasta Vajo is where sports, music and fitness collide and we cover it all, the Arriva hasta sit downs with real game changers in the sports world like Miami Dolphins CMO Priscilla Shumate, who is redefining what it means to be a Latina leader. It all changed when I had this guy come to me. He said to me, you know, you're not Latina enough. First of all, what is that? My mouth is wide open. Yeah, history makers like the Sucar family who became the first Peruvians to win a Grammy.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

It was a very special moment for us. It's been 15 years for me in this career. Finally, things are starting to shift into a different level.

[George M. Johnson]

Listen to Hasta ajo on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Ever wonder what it would be like.

[George M. Johnson]

To be mentored by today's top business leaders? My podcast this is Working can help with that.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Here's advice from Google CMO Lorraine Tuhill.

[George M. Johnson]

On how to treat AI like a partner. I see AI as an incredible co pilot. You may use different tools or toys to get the work done, but ultimately, as editor, as creator, as maker, you own it and it needs to be good. AI is just the latest flavor of that. You're still the judge of what good looks like. I'm Dan Roth, LinkedIn's editor in chief. On my podcast this is Working, leaders like Indra Nooy, Ray Dalio and Rich Paul share strategies for success and the real lessons that have shaped them.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts.

[George M. Johnson]

Or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

My name is Harry Houdini.

[George M. Johnson]

Harry Houdini could make elephants disappear, walk through walls and escape the Chinese water torture cell. But he was also on a mission against mediums. I have never seen one genuine medium.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Join me, Tim Harford, for a Cautionary.

[George M. Johnson]

Tales trilogy on the world's most famous magician. It takes a flim flammer to catch a flim flammer. Houdini wanted the world to see reason in an age of spiritualism. He went undercover to seances, exposed fakes.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

And charlatans, and even tried to convince.

[George M. Johnson]

Washington lawmakers to ban mediums for good, a campaign that cost him friends and made him many enemies. They're going to kill me.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Listen to cautionary tales on the iHeartRadio.

[George M. Johnson]

App, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

I'm Israel Gutierrez and I'm hosting a new podcast, Dub Dynasty, the story of how the Golden State warriors have dominated the NBA for over a decade. The Golden State warriors once again are NBA champions.

[George M. Johnson]

From the building of the core that.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Included Klay Thompson and Draymond Green to.

[George M. Johnson]

One of the boldest coaching decisions in.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

The history of the sport, I just.

[George M. Johnson]

Felt like the biggest thing was to.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Earn the trust of the players and let the players know that we were here to try to help them take the next step, not tear anything down. Today, the warriors dynasty remains alive, in.

[George M. Johnson]

Large part because of a scrawny 6.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Foot 2 hooper who everyone seems to love for what Steph has done for the game.

[George M. Johnson]

He's certainly on that, like Mount Rushmore.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

For guys that have changed it, come revisit this. Magical warriors. Ride this.

[George M. Johnson]

This is Dub Dynasty.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

The Dubs dynasty is still very much alive. Listen to dub dynasty starting April 8 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It's Julie Stewart Banks. I'm doing a new podcast from iHeart.

[George M. Johnson]

Podcasts and the National Hockey League, and.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

I'm paired up with one of my favorite players, the always quotable Nate Thompson.

[George M. Johnson]

I wore nine NHL sweaters and I have story after story to share. And believe it or not, I have plenty to say. And not just about hockey.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Believe me, he does. Energy Line with Nate and JSB is the name of the podcast and it's going to be, well, it's going to.

[George M. Johnson]

Be quite the ride. We're officially linemates, Nate. We're the Energy Line. We'll have plenty of folks join us, current players, some of my former teammates, hall of Famers. And wait till you see some of the connections that Julie has. She has quite the Rolodex. Okay.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

We'll lean into Nate's playing experience and tap into our interests away from hockey and try to do what energy lines are supposed to do, provide an emotional boost. How do you feel about all that, Nate?

[George M. Johnson]

I'm vibing Julie I'm ready to roll.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Listen to Energy Line with Nate and jsb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Last call for phone calls. What we learn what's in store tomorrow. If you're expecting Dan Hurley to be different on the sidelines next year, think again. You know, he'll apologize for these moments that he has and he did, but I don't think he can change. And also this is who he is. This is how he coaches, this is how his team plays. And I think if he's going to try to be a watered down version, then he's cheating himself and he's cheating his team. And I don't know if he was serious about having a guy who would be there to say, hey, let's get off the court, don't engage with the fans. But he does say things like, you know, I never should have said, you know, I'm the face of college basketball, even if it's true or not. But, you know, engaging with fans and, you know, mentioning he won two national titles and the area where he's talking about the officials, bleep them when the Baylor players were taken to court, you know, that's usually where reporters aren't supposed to be. And somebody caught him in that moment. But I, I think he's apologizing for moments, but he's not going to change. And I understand that. Let's see how about this day in Sports history.

[George M. Johnson]

Paul 1955 Fort Wayne beat Syracuse 74, 71. Lowest scoring NBA playoff game since the shot clock was introduced. The 24 second shot clock. Bob Cousy. 1959. 19 assists in a playoff game against Minneapolis.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

They couldn't stop him. He was a genius. He's a magician.

[George M. Johnson]

1963. At the age of 23, Jack Nicklaus became the youngest golfer to win the green jacket at the Masters tournament.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

First of his six Masters on this date. 1969. This pitcher is credited with baseball's first official save. First official save in 1969. Bill Singer of the Dodgers. I didn't know that. Ernie Else. What? Sorry? ERNIE Else in 2016. Seven putts from two feet away. He had a 10 on the par four first hole at the Masters. Seven putts from two feet Away. Now I've putted on that first green. I didn't need seven putts. I think I bogeyed it both times I played it. Shot an 81. 83. 83. 81. 83, 81. Yeah, I improved by two shots.

[George M. Johnson]

Yes, Paul I'm watching the video of Ernie L7 putting. And the first one he sets up.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Like a normal putt.

[George M. Johnson]

Then he starts, like, nonchalantly tapping it and getting more and more frustrated. It's surreal.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Seven putts from two feet away out of ten.

[George M. Johnson]

I'm watching it.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

I can't watch it.

[George M. Johnson]

And he's like a great player.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Oh, yeah, he's a Hall of Famer.

[George M. Johnson]

Dang.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Dang. That's tough. What else happened on this date? Carmelo? 2010 and 7 assists as Syracuse beats Kansas for the national championship. 2003, Carmelo Anthony, hall of Famer, great player. Jersey should be retired, put up in the rafters. Dwight Howard going into the hall of Fame. Yes, Todd.

[George M. Johnson]

He's expected to join us sometime this week.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Okay. Yeah, Dwight Howard, he had an incredible run in Orlando. Okay. Jonathan in Phoenix. Hi, Jonathan. What's on your mind today?

[George M. Johnson]

Hey, dad, Second time caller. So I just wanted to talk about how I also suffer from an affliction just like you. But I think we need to give a voice and an outlet to all of us. I think there's more of us out there than we realize. But I also enjoy watching sub 500 NBA basketball on a Tuesday night. And so it's caused a lot of issues, my wife and family. But I think we need a voice.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

And I have a T shirt idea. I need some help workshopping with the Danettes.

[George M. Johnson]

But something along the lines of, you know, I watch sub 500 basketball on.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Tuesday or bad basketball. Watch was anonymous.

[George M. Johnson]

Something like that.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Yeah, but I'm not anonymous. I'm proud to be somebody. You know that. I did watch. I watched G League basketball. Was it live last night, Marvin?

[George M. Johnson]

It was live.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Okay. Because it was playoff basketball at its best. The Osceola Magic. And you had the main Celtics, formerly.

[George M. Johnson]

The main Red Claws.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Yes. And I was watching that as if I'm watching March Madness. And it was great. Yes, Todd.

[George M. Johnson]

Well, the main Celtics play for Boston. These were the other Celtics.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Thank you, Todd. Yeah, Seaton.

[George M. Johnson]

Main Celtics.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Would you prefer G League teams to be affiliated with NBA teams like they are, like a minor league system, or to be completely independent? Doesn't matter. I'm still going to watch. It doesn't matter. I made it sad. It really was sad. It's not. It's not sad. You just love the game. I do love the game. I just. I always feel like if I'm not watching, is anybody else watching? And they deserve to be watched because I would want somebody to watch me if I was playing in something like that. Yes, Mark.

[George M. Johnson]

It gets weird when you're watching high school basketball and your wife's like, you got to pick up a hobby or something. This is my hobby. Yeah, I want to watch the Boozer Twins.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

I know. And now are they both going to Duke or just one?

[George M. Johnson]

They're both going to Duke.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Okay.

[George M. Johnson]

To losing the Final Four next year.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

If they look good, they look good in that All Star Game. Todd, what did I learn?

[George M. Johnson]

Marvin reminds us those not watching the other Celtics and Magic last night, the G League playoffs. It just means more.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Thanks for the phone calls, emails, tweets, the all around support. We'll try to do better tomorrow. Have a great day everybody.

[George M. Johnson]

I'm Mary Kay McBrayer, host of the.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Podcast the Greatest True Crime Stories Ever Told. This season explores women from the 19th century to now. Women who were murderers and scammers, but also women who were photojournalists, lawyers, writers and more. This podcast tells more than just the brutal, gory details of horrific acts. I delve into the good, the bad, the difficult, and all the nuance I can find because these are the stories that we need to know to understand the intersection of society, justice and the.

[George M. Johnson]

Fascinating workings of the human psyche. Join me every week as I tell some of the most enthralling true crime.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Stories about women who are not just victims, but heroes or villains, or often somewhere in between. Listen to the greatest true crime stories ever told on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[George M. Johnson]

My name is Brendan Patrick Hughes, host of Divine Intervention.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

This is a story about radical nuns.

[George M. Johnson]

In combat boots and wild haired priests.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Trading blows with J. Edgar Hoover in a hell bent effort to sabotage a war. J. Edgar Hoover was furious.

[George M. Johnson]

He was out of his mind and he wanted to bring the Catholic left to its knees.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Listen to Divine intervention on the iHeartRadio.

[George M. Johnson]

App, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia. I'm excited to introduce a brand new season of my podcast, Math and Stories from the Frontiers of Markets. I'm having conversations with some folks across a wide range of industries to hear how they reach the top of their fields and the lessons they learned along the way that everyone can use. I'll be joined by innovative leaders like chairman and CEO of Elf Beauty Tarang Amin, legendary singer, songwriter and philanthropist Jewel. Being a rock star is very fun, but helping people is way more fun. And Damian Maldonado, CEO of American Financing.

[George M. Johnson]

I figured out the formula. I have to work hard then that's magic.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Join me as we uncover innovations in data and analytics, the math and the ever important creative spark, the magic. Listen to math and Magic on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. I'm ready to fight.

[George M. Johnson]

Oh, this is Fighting words. Okay, I'll put the hammer back.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Hi, I'm George M. Johnson, a best selling author with the second most banned book in America. Now more than ever, we need to use our voices to fight back.

[George M. Johnson]

Part of the power of black queer creativity is the fact that we got us.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

You know we are the greatest culture.

[George M. Johnson]

Makers in world history.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Listen to fighting words on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. You feelin this too is a horror anthology podcast. It brings different creators to tell ten vile.

[George M. Johnson]

No, no, no no no no no. Grotesque. Oh my God.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Horrific stories on what scares them the most. You feeling this too? Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.