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Dan Patrick
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio Final hour on this Monday.
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Dan Patrick
Best and worst of the weekend. What you saw that you liked, you didn't like. Got us up. 8773 DP show operator Tyler sitting by. Take your phone calls there. Stat of the day brought to you by Panini America, the Official trading cards of the program. NBC this week, Sunday night baseball. It'll be the Rangers going to Boston to take on the Red Sox. Sunday night baseball and NBC. And Peacock. Peacock is where you'll find this program. Download the app if you haven't done so to be able to watch the program. Reggie Miller will stop by. We got game three coming up tonight. Spurs are only a two and a half point underdog, which feels a little surprising to me. Dylan, does it seem surprising to you, being a gambling expert experts a loose term, Dan. But it does seem a lose. A lose or loose term.
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Dylan (Producer/Contributor)
It's a loser term. Yeah, yeah. I would have maybe guessed it would be Spurs -2 and a half because I don't think. You think they're going to go down three zip,
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Dan Patrick
you know, two and a half point. That's kind of interesting there. All right, poll question for the final hour, we'll talk to Ray Ferraro, the mothership. He's part of the broadcast team. Tomorrow night, my Vegas Golden Knights and the Hurricanes.
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Cal Penn
We were talking about it last hour,
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Dylan (Producer/Contributor)
Dan, but if you're an NBA player, are you taking a good career and a ring or a Hall of Fame career? No ring.
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Dan Patrick
Okay. I want consistency. I want to be great for my entire career instead of just a one off winning a title. That sounds selfish, doesn't it?
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Dylan (Producer/Contributor)
Oh, I mean, I wasn't going to say anything, but you know, team sport.
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Dan Patrick
Okay.
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Caller/Listener
All right.
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Dan Patrick
Ray Ferraro, ESPN NHL analyst, played 18 years in the league. You can catch him tomorrow night. Eight Eastern. Stanley cup game four Hurricanes and Golden Knights on abc. Let me start there, Ray. You could be a Hall of Famer or you could win one Stanley Cup.
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Ray Ferraro
Can I trade three of my. Not able to do that. Let's say you got to be an easy one.
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Dan Patrick
12 years, you're an all Star, you're a Hall of Famer, or you're just a good player on a great team. One year
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Ray Ferraro
I picked the hall of Fame career, I think, and I never won. I got to the Eastern Conference final once. And every year that I get to do this final, which is just so awesome, I look at these guys and complete envy the guys that win. I'm like, it doesn't look like the best, like just to you, you know, you've smashed your, your body for 10 months and, and you're the best. I, I, I don't know. But to, to be a, I, I think I was a good player. I, I am the example actually of the other one. Like I played 18 years, I was good and never got to be in the right place at the right time. And I think winning is. Sometimes you can be almost an accidental tourist, right? You're. You're just in the right spot at the right time.
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Dan Patrick
If I didn't watch Saturday night's game, how would you sum it up?
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Ray Ferraro
Lunacy. Like, I've been. So. I was thinking about this. So I broke into the NHL 1984, and I played 18 years. I've been doing this since I retired in 02. So this is 20, 23, 24 years. I've never seen a Stanley cup game like this. And sometimes we get into that recency stuff. The only one I can come close to is the Chicago Philly game. That was 6, 5. And the goalies were so bad. There were goals going in all over the place. It just was a wild game. This was. This had no. There was no form or shape to any of it. It was awesome. Like, sports are best unpredictable. And when it's four, nothing. I actually said in the middle of third period, really quite proud of this comment because it turned out so well. I said, carolyn, I can't. Carolina can't wait for this game to be over. They're looking forward to Game 4. And then all of a sudden, they scored four goals. Because I just didn't see it. I, Like, I couldn't. There's no way this could happen. And it did.
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Dan Patrick
Why is it that we single out a goalie if he's having an unbelievable series? Like, we don't talk necessarily about a player the way we do a goalie. Now, I know the goalie is the last line of defense, but, like, there have to be offensive or defensive players who get better in those bigger moments. But we tend to focus on the goalie is standing on his head. Why is that?
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Ray Ferraro
Because while he has such an outsized importance to, you know, To. To his team, it's like the. You know, it's a starting pitcher. Well, maybe not so much anymore, but it's starting a starting pitcher that dominates the series. Or, you know, if. If Wembayama all of a sudden takes over a game, it's him. Like, there's. There's probably a bunch of reasons why a team plays well or plays poorly, but the first thing always becomes the focus of the goalie. Now, I thought Rod Brindamore, Carolina's coach, he pulled Freddie Andersen because he was looking to game four. He was. Game three was gone. It was. There's no reason to leave him back out there. Except the goalie put in Brandon Bussey had a great third period. They get the overtime somehow and now he's got a real decision. But the guy at the other end, Carter Hart, he's really been no better in the series. Like there's been way more goals than I would have suspected and I don't know if the goalies have been bad or average or. But you know, as for a shot here or there, Carolina's up to one. I, I didn't like one goal in that fourth game or third game. I still flip flop. I got another day to figure it out. And I wonder what Carolina's thinking. Like would they go to Bussy in game four or are they going to go back to Anderson? I bet it's a torturous choice really
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Dan Patrick
talking to Ray Ferraro. He spent 18 years in the NHL. He would gladly take a Hall of Fame career over winning a Stanley cup. Eight Eastern tomorrow night. Hurricanes and the Golden Knights. Exclusively on abc. Has the NHL ever toyed with a three point line like we have in the NBA?
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Ray Ferraro
No, it's just, I don't even know. I, as I'm picturing it, I'm, I don't see why they would change it. The, I don't know how they would make it work. Could you imagine like in a sport that moves, it's this fast. That is the puck on outside the line. Is it on the line? Is it like even with all the great cameras they have now, I, they, there's no, no reason I don't think. And here's the other thing, Dan. The games have been 544354. I mean we're getting plenty of offense in the 90s. I wish they would have done something else because it was, it was boring. This is, this is great stuff.
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Dan Patrick
Well, you can blame the Devils for that.
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Ray Ferraro
They smothered the game. They were, they were no fun to play against. We, our captain in, in New York was Pat Flatley, really funny guy. And he. We're playing the Devils one night and they've just, we've got like 10 shots and he goes, look at them. None of them are sweating. They're not even trying. And they just had us. We were smothered. We couldn't do anything. Like this stinks, man. It was brutal.
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Dan Patrick
Well, that's what I wonder that all of the leagues were trying to get more scoring. They want more scoring and I didn't. And you're right about the goals being scored. I don't know if it's style now or what they will allow you to do or not. Do that maybe is bringing about. Maybe it's bad goaltending. I don't know.
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Ray Ferraro
It's skill without question. You know what? I'm. When they. They changed the rules about 15 years ago to really promote skill, I guess, and make it harder to defend, the players have gotten progressively faster and stronger and more skilled than they've ever been. I didn't think, like, I thought the speed was going to create more offense always, but really, it also helps defense. Like, speed is. Speed is a killer for offense. Right. You just don't have time to do anything. But the guys today that they play at a level that I think is probably the same in most sports, but, like, it's not been achieved before. And I look at what some of these guys can do, we just. We just couldn't do it. And. And I think the offense follows with it. There's more goals now than there's ever been.
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Dan Patrick
Could you see. I don't know who's the biggest goalie you ever faced, but if I put Penny Sewell, who's an offensive lineman for the Lions, but with. With skill. Yeah, but you put somebody who is huge. They're wide. How to. I mean, can you see a scenario where. And I don't know if somebody's tried to get a bigger goalie like Aaron Donald. If I put him in goal, you
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Ray Ferraro
think he'd be all right?
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Reggie Miller
Right?
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Ray Ferraro
He's just got to stand there. But it doesn't quite work that way. There seems to be holes everywhere. Like, so when I played, I bet you the average guy was, like, at the start of my career, he was not six feet.
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Dan Patrick
Well, like Darren Pang is five, four.
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Ray Ferraro
He will tell you, too. Somehow, he won 27 games, and that's his number. I know because he's told me 4,000
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Dan Patrick
times, his head doesn't reach the crossbar.
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Ray Ferraro
You've seen pictures, right?
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Dan Patrick
Yeah.
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Ray Ferraro
So Panger, at one time, he wore. He switched his goalie equipment with a guy that used to play for Tampa, Ben bishop, who was 6 foot 7.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah.
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Ray Ferraro
Bishop put on Panger's gear. It looked like it. You know, it looked like children's stuff. And Panger, of course, looked hilarious. And the other stuff, the goalies now are. They're 6, 5, 6, 6. They're 235 pounds like Freddy Andersen's. 240 pounds. Like these guys are. It might not look like it, but they're huge. And I'll tell you, when you skate down the ice and you look up at the net, there's. There's no room there's nowhere to go except the puck's pretty small and it bounces around pretty good. Fortunately, they can't stop everything.
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Dan Patrick
What's the greatest performance, like the greatest player that you're on the ice with for one game that you witness something?
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Ray Ferraro
Oh, in one game, I, I always think Alex Kovalev was the most talented player I, I ever played with with the Rangers. Brian Leach, I played a game and made that when I was with the short time with the Rangers. He made a couple of plays that in this game. One of them I know because I was on the other end of it and I just shot it in the empty net. I could not believe that he was able to do, like, physically be able to do in a, in an individual game, though. The best was. Mario Lemieux was just, Just remarkable. He scored against us one time, four times in a game, and it was like, you know, it was like we were his pro, we were the Washington Generals that night. Like, it was amazing.
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Dan Patrick
I find him underrated and it's hard to say that, though. I just, I know he, you know, he got sick, but, man, you could make a case he's. I love Gretz and Messier and, you know, run down the list, but Mario Lemieux, I think could have turned out to be the greatest player of all time.
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Ray Ferraro
I, I think if people built a Mount Rushmore and you could even spread, Spread it out, three or four players if you wanted, but I think they would get to Lemieux later in the list than they should. He was singularly the most talented player ever to play. And part of it was that he was 6 foot 5 and I mean, what Gretz did with, like, his numbers are incomparable and we marvel at everything that he did. But him, Bobby Orr, Mario Lemieux, I mean, they were. They changed the game, they changed it forever. And then you get into the new guys and, you know, you start to get into McDavid in that. But, man, Mario was amazing.
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Dan Patrick
How's this play out for my Vegas Golden Knights?
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Ray Ferraro
I picked Carolina in seven before the series. I thought it was. I was worried actually that it was going to be a bunch of low scoring, boring 3, 2, 2, 1 games. And clearly that's not been the case. Goal has all of a sudden, as we get back to it, become a real question for Carolina. But if there is, I'm still going to take Carolina and seven, even though I don't feel very confident about it. If there's ever been a series, that's been a coin flip. This Is seriously, this is it. I mean, there is, there is zero way to predict what's going to happen tomorrow night. Some series now by game three, don't you think you kind of got a feel? You're like, yeah, it's going to be close, but this team's better. I don't have that right now. It's been really great, really great fun to do.
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Dan Patrick
Do players eat during overtime?
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Ray Ferraro
Yeah, they got, they got. Now it's easy. They got bananas and protein bars all stocked up in there and they're good. Back in the day that there was a Pittsburgh Philly game went to five overtimes. They had to find a pizza place that would make pizza and deliver it over to the Pittsburgh locker room because it was in Pittsburgh. So they got the food. I don't know what Philly was eating. Like there's nothing around at that time.
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Dan Patrick
We got the sp. What is it, the Spanmani brothers or whatever. Paante brothers.
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Ray Ferraro
Pramante.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, yeah, they should.
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Ray Ferraro
You imagine. Yeah, the boiler. The boiler would be turning over with a couple of bites of those, man.
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Dan Patrick
Thank you, Ray. We'll be watching tomorrow night.
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Ray Ferraro
Awesome. Thanks, man. Good to talk to you again.
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Dan Patrick
Ray Ferraro, ESPN analyst, and he'll be on the call. Game 4 Hurricanes Golden Knights on ABC. Sean McDonough. Sean McDonough done a great job. Another guy we take for granted. We don't take Reggie Miller for granted. No, sir, he won't allow us to do that. We got some questions for Reggie. He'll join us next.
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
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Dan Patrick
Hey, it's Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington from the Odd Couple on Fox Sports Radio.
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Rob Parker
And in addition to hearing us live weeknights from 7 to 10pm Eastern on Fox Sports Radio, we are excited to announce brand new YouTube channel for the show.
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Ray Ferraro
That's right. You can now watch the Odd couple
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Dan Patrick
live on YouTube every day.
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Rob Parker
All you got to do, search Odd Couple FSR on YouTube again.
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Reggie Miller
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Rob Parker
Just search Odd Couple FSR. Check us out on YouTube and subscribe.
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Dan Patrick
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Podcast Guest (Author)
I turned off news altogether.
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Dan Patrick
I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything. It's the rage bait.
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It feels like it's trying to divide people.
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Ray Ferraro
We got clear facts. Maybe we can calm down a little.
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NBC News brings you clear reporting. Let's meet at the Facts. Let's move forward from there. NBC News reporting for America.
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Dan Patrick
So good. Your bill, ladies. I got it. No, I got it.
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Seriously, I insisted.
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I assisted first.
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Dan Patrick
Oh, don't be silly. You don't be silly.
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Dan Patrick
Okay.
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Dan Patrick
Well, the stage is certainly set for Wemby to steal a game and all of a sudden had one of those moments that we've seen before at the Garden. Michael Jordan came back at his double nickel. Steph dropped 54 in the garden. Kobe dropped 61. Bernard King at 60 on a Christmas Day game against the Nets. But the spotlight will never be bigger and brighter for Wemby if you're going to step up and be a hero. Reggie Miller, hall of Famer, NBA on NBC lead analyst. Okay, let me, let me get a couple of questions out of the way. This came up about winning a championship or being a Hall of Famer. So you're a Hall of Famer. You didn't win a championship. But if I said you could trade places with Rip Hamilton or you could keep your career. So you win a title, but you're not a Hall of Famer.
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Reggie Miller
I'm keeping my career, okay? I love my career.
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Dan Patrick
Okay. Now there was another one that somebody brought up. If you could change the outcome. See, was that 19. What. What was the year, Marvin?
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Caller/Listener
Game 7, 98 conference finals or game 4, 2000 finals. Which. Which game would you rather have won?
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Dan Patrick
You can change the outcome of, of either one. So you go you or you. You don't have to change anything. But you go 22 with the Lakers or you beat Jordan and you go to the NBA Finals.
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Ray Ferraro
Wow.
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Reggie Miller
Both are very intriguing, very difficult questions. Look, winning a Game 7 in Chicago versus, in my opinion, the greatest player of all time. I probably would take that again. You and I have had this discussion, Mark Jackson and I, that that was our thinking. We wanted to retire Jordan. That. So I would probably take that one winning game four versus Shaq and Kobe to even the series. Two, two. That doesn't guarantee that we were going to win that series. All admit was that the series was 2:2. We thought we had that game when Shaq fouled out because he was just too dominating in that series. So when he fouled out in that game and it went to overtime, we thought we had that until this young kid showed his greatness in Kobe Bryant and they went up three one. We won game five, three two. And they closed us out in six.
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Ray Ferraro
So it.
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Reggie Miller
It that wouldn't have guaranteed us winning that series. But to win in Chicago in a Game 7 versus Michael Jordan, that would have been great. But here we, here we are.
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Dan Patrick
And that leads us to tonight's game. And I wondered when we started the show, I said, it feels like there's more pressure on the Knicks than the spurs because the spurs know we lost those two. And yes, we're probably not winning this series or odds are heavily against us. But the Knicks go back home. Crazy environment.
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Caller/Listener
Yeah.
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Dan Patrick
And you can't afford to give San Antonio a glimmer of hope. And that's why when I saw San Antonio is only a two and a half point underdog here. You would think after losing those two, maybe being down in the dumps, now you're going into the Garden. They can't wait to crown the Knicks as a champion here. Who has more Pressure.
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Reggie Miller
I said this on one of our telecasts about the Knicks. I always feared the Knicks most when they were on the road, and they kind of show that in the first two games, their fan base travels well. But for whatever reason, as a team, when we were going against Patrick and John and Oak and all those, Those Knicks teams on the road, they played totally different when they were away from the Garden. I don't know what it was, but they were so locked in and great. And we saw that in games one and two in San Antonio. I think when you. They go home, you get a chance. All the things you just highlighted, you relax a little bit, your family's there, the crowd's going to be pumping. You've won the first two. You almost kind of excel, which you hope that's not the case. You're in the finals now and you have your two wins away from a championship. This is the time to put your foot on the gas even more. But for whatever reason, the Knicks at times seem to settle and let teams hang around. Right now, if you're the spurs, you have absolutely nothing to lose. You are playing with house money.
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Dan Patrick
The.
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Reggie Miller
Obviously, no team has ever come back losing their first two games at home and winning a championship. So history's not on your side, so you might as well just go out and play. I've been a little surprised in this series because the same team that we covered in the Western Conference, that is not the same spurs team that I'm seeing in the finals. It was almost like their main mission was just to beat the Thunder and they forgot there was one more series left. They're not playing the same way. And it's, you know, if you're a Spurs fan, it's. It's been a little bit of head scratching watching these first two games.
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Dan Patrick
Were you okay with that final shot by Wemby?
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Reggie Miller
Yeah, I mean, your best player takes that shot. I mean, it was a clean look. Personally, I probably would have loved to seeing Deer and Fox be a little bit more aggressive in that. Remember, he was a former clutch player of the year, something we've seen Jalen Brunson be in these first two games. Think about this. Jalen Brunson has not played great at all in this series. I. I think he's like 17 for 56. He's like 4, 420 from 3. And yet the Knicks are up to nothing. He's been great in the clutch, especially in game one, but overall, he has not had the type of shooting game that he's capable of. And the Knicks are still up to nothing. That's why it's a little scary because you know those shots are going to fall when he's back home. And the way that Mikhail Bridges, the way that Landry Shammit. Oh, gee. The way they are shooting the basketball. Deuce McBride off the bench. This is a, this is a full complement of Knicks teams. This is the best I think I've
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Ray Ferraro
ever seen them play.
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Dan Patrick
I want to look at the bigger picture here because this shouldn't be viewed as a one off with the Knicks. They went to the Eastern Conference finals. They probably should have made it to the Finals last year. But if they sweep San Antonio and you end up winning 15 consecutive playoff games, you would match Golden State Warriors. Now all of a sudden, you know, at least for one year I have, I know it wasn't a dominating regular season, but postseason, yeah, like they're going to be in the conversation of one of the greatest. And the point differential to Reggie throughout the postseason. I don't, I don't know if we look at the Knicks that way, but I think we should, at least statistically, historically.
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Reggie Miller
You've got to put them in that conversation and you've got to have these hard conversations. And I know people will not. They'll say, well, who did they play? They played Atlanta. No experience. They were down 2:1 in that series. And after that game three, they've run off 13 straight. They're gonna say, well, they play Philadelphia in the second round. And Joel Embiid with you play who's in front of you. That's the same Philadelphia team that won a Game 7 in Boston. They played the Cavs in the conference finals. That's the same Cavs that won by 30 in Detroit in a Game 7. I don't want to hear it, people. You've got to have these hard conversations about the Knicks. If they find a way to win two more games in a row and win 15 in a row on their way to an NBA championship. We're not, you and I, we're not up here saying they're the greatest.
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Dan Patrick
Nope.
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Reggie Miller
Okay. No, we're not saying that. But you've got to have a hard conversation on how this run, starting with game four in Atlanta all the way until now, it's, it's impressive what the Knicks have done.
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Dan Patrick
Nobody brings up the Lakers and Magic were banged up when Michael Jordan won his first NBA title.
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Reggie Miller
Championship is you play who's in front of you. Everyone's banged up at this point in time. Right. I don't want to hear it people. I mean, Boston could have had something to say about this. They lost that game. Game 7 at home. Detroit could have had something to say about this. You lost by 30 plus game seven at home. All right, you play who's in front of you. That's all the Knicks are doing right now.
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Dan Patrick
Talking to Reggie Miller, hall of Famer, NBA on NBC, lead analyst. I think Carl Anthony Towns would be my MVP right now because seems to be doing it at both ends. And I, I wondered this in, in the first hour, Reg that Mike Brown was on Golden State's coaching staff and I wonder if he saw how Steve Kerr used Draymond Green and if he's using Carl Anthony Towns now as sort of a larger, better shooting than Draymond Green, where the offense is going through him probably more than it ever has, 100%.
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Reggie Miller
And I think Cat has embraced that role. That's a great comparison though. Cat's not the defender that Draymond is, but Draymond's not the shooter and score that Cat is, I think in terms of passing, very similar. And though the Knicks don't have that one weapon like Golden State obviously in Stephen Curry and or Klay Thompson during those championship runs, again, the, the way that Mikhail Bridges think about this, people were talking about benching him in that Atlanta series after the first two or three games. Like what was wrong with Mikhail Bridges? And now he's having a historical run here over the last two rounds, the conference finals and now and Carl Anthony Towns, the way they put the ball in his hands and he has been able to facilitate and to your point at the other end defensively, again, we thought that Wimby was going to be able to walk on water after what he did in that conference final. He looks shell shocked a little bit and it's because of the physicality of the game being brought to him by Cat. So right now he probably is maybe the odds on favor to win that finals mvp. But I will say this. They don't win game one without the brilliance of Jalen Brunson. And again in game two, that big shot again came from Jalen Brunson. He's. He is the one player that. He's the ultimate closer. Anytime the game is close. I don't care who you're playing, I will always trust in Brunson. Too good a footwork. His mechanics are great. His foundation is fantastic. That dude just scares me if a game is close and the ball is in his hands.
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Dan Patrick
See Remind you of anybody you played against?
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Reggie Miller
I'm not comparing Them, I'm not saying they're the same, so people, please don't come at me. But when mj, when Kobe, when both of those guys had the ball in the closing moments, you just knew something special was going to happen. You knew they were going to get a clean look. Now, whether they made it or missed it, that was on them. I look at Brunson that same way. He can get any shot he wants in the closing moment. Now, if he makes it or miss, that's on him. But there's not a lot of defense you're going to be able to do one on one to stop that. All three of those guys have something very similar. Their footwork is impeccable. They play off of two feet every single time. Now, Kobe and Mike, they played in the air a lot, whereas Brunson being a smaller guard, everything has to. His footwork has to be and his timing has to be on point. So again, don't cut. I'm not putting them in that category. Don't come after me. But in terms of making big shots, I put him up there with Kobe and mj.
- [32:48]
Dan Patrick
Explain this to the audience. I tried to, but even when you're supposed to take shots, even if you're not making shots like Iverson had to keep shooting, explain that to the audience of even when you're missing, it's important to the offense, to your teammates, to keep shooting. If you're that main guy, it's the evolution of life.
- [33:11]
Reggie Miller
You've got to keep things moving. Even though you're having an off night offensively, the rest of those four guys, they look to you for guidance and strength. So when your best player becomes timid or shy or. Or turns down shots, the other four guys and the rest of the team, they look, they bow their heads because their best player is not aggressive. I don't care If I was 3 for 15, 16. I have to. I had to continue to shoot the basketball to give them strength. Because law of averages, your best player is going to find a way in the closing moments. Like Brunson in game one, he was shooting terrible. But all it takes is a free throw an and one, a layup to get you going. And then it seems like that rim is like the ocean. So you've got to continue to be great. They trust Brunson so much. That's why I think he's always aggressive, even when he's having an off night.
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Dan Patrick
Give me your all 6 foot 2 and under team.
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Reggie Miller
I would go with Isaiah, I would go with AI. I would Go with Stockton because look, he has the all time assist. You're going to start thinking about Brunson in this case now, people, especially if he wins the championship. But there's others like Nate, Tiny, Archibald,
- [34:43]
Dan Patrick
Chris Paul.
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Reggie Miller
Chris, Chris Paul, yes, definitely Chris Paul. Yes. Steve, here's another, here's another name that people don't like, associate with smaller guards. Would Tony Parker be in this conversation as a six foot one and under? Right? He was six foot one, I believe.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah.
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Reggie Miller
Tony Parker should be in that category.
- [35:04]
Dan Patrick
All right.
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Reggie Miller
I don't think he was six three or six four.
- [35:06]
Dan Patrick
Tony Parker.
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Reggie Miller
No, he was six one.
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Dan Patrick
But Steph is six three, right?
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Reggie Miller
Steph is six' three. So I, I, he, you said six' one, right?
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Dan Patrick
62.
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Reggie Miller
Well, he's 63. So he's.
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Dan Patrick
So the best six' two and under player of all time is
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Reggie Miller
Isaiah. I'll go with Isaiah.
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Dan Patrick
What's Kyrie?
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Reggie Miller
He's six three, six four, right? He's six three. He's not six two.
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Dan Patrick
Okay, but man, he's it.
- [35:42]
Reggie Miller
So him and Steph, now that's a 6, 3 to 6 5. That's. Now that's a conversation right there because now you're talking Steph, Kyrie, Dwayne Wade, like, this is a very difficult conversation. James Harden,
- [36:02]
Ray Ferraro
I don't know how I
- [36:02]
Reggie Miller
would put James Harden in that conversation with those other three guys, but he has the points.
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Dan Patrick
So tougher. Tougher to give me a best player under 6 2. How about the best player under 6 5? Would you take Dwayne Wade over Steph Curry?
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Reggie Miller
Oh, no, I'm going with Curry.
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Dan Patrick
Okay. Is there anybody you would take over Steph Curry Under 6 5. 65 and under.
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Reggie Miller
I mean, I love Isaiah.
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Dan Patrick
If I say we have a draft, you, you, you have first pick, you got. No, no, no. You're starting your team with your point guard. So you can have anybody under six five.
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Reggie Miller
I'm, I'm probably starting with Wardell. Oh, Zeke, I love you. Oh, I love you, Zeke. So then am I on this team?
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Dan Patrick
No.
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Reggie Miller
Oh, okay. Then I'll start with Wardell. If I was on this team, I would start with Zeke. If I was the shooting guard.
- [37:18]
Dan Patrick
Yeah.
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Reggie Miller
And I couldn't be on the same team together. We basically did the same thing. Well, he was much better than I was. But we're this where we, we would compliment one another.
- [37:26]
Dan Patrick
Well, you'd be Klay Thompson.
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Reggie Miller
You know what, you're right.
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Ray Ferraro
I'm still going with Wardell.
- [37:37]
Dan Patrick
I'm going to take Steph Curry.
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Reggie Miller
Yeah. I'm going.
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Ray Ferraro
I'm going with Steph.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah. All right. Enjoy the game.
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Reggie Miller
I appreciate it. Game three.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah. We'll talk to you next week.
- [37:48]
Reggie Miller
Yes. Well, now, will it be. Will it be over by then? Are you. Do you think it'll be over by then? Monday, Wednesday, Today? Wednesday.
- [37:58]
Dan Patrick
I'm going to say no.
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Reggie Miller
Which game does San Antonio win? Tonight or Wednesday?
- [38:04]
Dan Patrick
Tonight.
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Caller/Listener
Wow.
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Reggie Miller
That place is going to be buzzing. You got the president. That is going to be a zoo in there.
- [38:13]
Dan Patrick
Oh, I know.
- [38:14]
Reggie Miller
They lose that. They lose that game. I know. With all that hype, I don't know, I can see them maybe losing Game four. But tonight, no.
- [38:24]
Dan Patrick
If they win tonight, you and you have a chance to sweep, win the title. It'll be crazier in game four.
- [38:34]
Reggie Miller
All right. A lot has to happen. Too many youth mistakes. Spurs all the time. First of all, call a timeout again, Mitch. Coach Johnson, I love you. Call a time out.
- [38:48]
Dan Patrick
Reggie Miller, hall of Famer, NBA on NBC, lead analyst. Thank you, Reg. We'll take a break. Last call for phone calls. What we learn what's in store for tomorrow after this.
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Dan Patrick
I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything. It's the rage bait.
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It feels like it's trying to divide people.
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Ray Ferraro
We got clear facts. Maybe we could calm down a little.
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My first book was Divergent, and when that came out, like, because it was so popular, I think it attracted, like, mostly positivity, but the negativity I sucked in like a sponge. And I think it was, like, critiques of things I liked. When I was like, you know, I was 23 and I wrote the book and it had all my, like, dorky little cheesy or maybe unrealistic loves in it. And I started to feel a lot of shame about those things. And so for the rest of my career, I steered away from those little things that, like, make you feel pleasure when you read. But I also was, like, saying no to these parts of myself that I then was like, screw it. Yeah, so that's this.
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Dan Patrick
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Caller/Listener
I had a comparison you were talking about. If the Knicks win the NBA title, like, how would they be remembered? The 83 Sixers, they had a great playoff run, but they only won that one title. And people always remember them.
- [42:36]
Dan Patrick
That was one of the more talented starting fives in NBA history. I think you looked at that team as a great team. I don't know if people will look at the Knicks team because of the individuals, but the sum of some of the parts there, you're going to say, that was a great team. You're going to have Brunson. Carl Anthony Towns, if he wins a title, will be a Hall of Famer. Jalen Brunson will be a Hall of Famer. But we'll look back and, you know, Og Anunoby and Mikhail Bridges and Josh Hart, and we'll say, boy, Those were great role players there. 76ers. That was, that was a pretty talented team. Pretty talented, yeah.
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Dylan (Producer/Contributor)
Dylan, if we only win this one time, we.
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Dan Patrick
Here we go. We.
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Cal Penn
We.
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Dylan (Producer/Contributor)
Will that be a disappointment with this roster?
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Dan Patrick
How about you win one?
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Dylan (Producer/Contributor)
I'm just.
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Ray Ferraro
I'd say that's why I said if.
- [43:26]
Dan Patrick
Yeah.
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Dylan (Producer/Contributor)
Not getting ahead of myself.
- [43:28]
Dan Patrick
Yeah. You Knicks fans an excitable bunch. No, I like the Knicks team. It's the Knicks fans I got a problem with. And oh, the number of Knicks fans who like seeing people with gear. I mean and it looks pretty new. Just saying like nobody's got any weathered hats or T shirts or anything. They got some new gear. New gear. Let's see. Willard in Illinois. Hi, Willard.
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Caller/Listener
Hi, Dan. Second time long time. 6, 1 2, 12. Got a question for you. And I've got a question for Fritzi. Dan, at the halfway point of this year, who do you consider the front runner for Danette of the year and Tritzy for a birthday or holiday season present, would you consider giving the gift that keeps on giving all year long? Dude, wipes.
- [44:24]
Dan Patrick
Yeah. You might be handing that out at Halloween. I could be, yeah.
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Ray Ferraro
If I put a little snicker bar in there or something.
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Reggie Miller
If there's not a peanut allergy.
- [44:32]
Dan Patrick
Halfway point. Most valuable Dan at. I'm gonna say Dylan. I give Dylan. Wow. New guy. I've already seen everything that everybody else has to offer. Yeah. So I would say you right now. Plenty of time to lose it though because boy, did you think you had the most valuable backroom guy last year.
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Dylan (Producer/Contributor)
That was devastating. But I understood it.
- [44:52]
Dan Patrick
I got it. Jay is a very valuable Adam in la. Hi Adam.
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Caller/Listener
Yes. So my Dodgers did take two out of three over the Angels. But my best of the weekend was the Knicks beating the spurs to take the 20 series lead. As an 8, as a Lakers fan, it's been fun rooting for the Knicks. I agree with you. It's a fun team to watch. I do like that. The Knicks team. But as long as the Celtics, the Spurs, OKC didn't win it, I'll be happy. And then Danny, a quick two part question. I saw that the Atlanta Hawks extended head coach Quinn Snyder to a three year deal. Did that seven game performance that his Hawks had against the Knicks, did that help him get this contract? And then real quick, how do you think he celebrated that contract? Have a great week, guys.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, yeah. I, you know, with Atlanta, I don't know what their goals are. Where you go, boy, we had a great season because it might Be something like that. The fact they got to the Eastern Conference finals a couple years ago. Remarkable. That's one of those where you go wait, where was I? When Atlanta went to the Eastern Conference finals. Yes, Dylan.
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Dylan (Producer/Contributor)
Yeah, that series again with the Hawks and the Knicks feels like an eternity ago.
- [46:04]
Dan Patrick
Yes it does.
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Dylan (Producer/Contributor)
I also, I saw that in useless gambling stats. If you had rolled started with 100 bucks and rolled it over every game of the Knicks winning streak, you'd have like 260 grand or something. Which is always funny because no one did that.
- [46:18]
Dan Patrick
But how about this day in sports history?
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Caller/Listener
Paul, just a couple for you, Dan. 1934, your Reds became the first baseball team to use an airplane to travel from one city to another. They flew from Cincinnati to Chicago and I assume they went back. Doesn't say that anymore, but I'm assuming. The Celtics won championship number 16 in 1986 and in 1969 the New York Yankees retired Mickey Mantles number seven.
- [46:43]
Dan Patrick
I did not know this story. 1920, the Reds had a baseball player named Ed Rauch. He fell asleep in the outfield while his teammates were arguing a call with the umpire. Then he got ejected for delay of the game for still being asleep when the game was set to resume. I mean that happens in little league. Sandy Koufax in 1955 made the Dodgers roster, but they had to get rid of another player, another pitcher. Tommy Lasorda was the picture that they they made the right decision from one left hander to another. The Yankees 1979 drafted John Elway second round Kansas City Royals drafted this quarterback in the same draft. If you said Dan Marino, you would be correct. On this date in 1989, Jim Rooker said he would walk from Pittsburgh to Philadelphia if the Pirates lost a 10 to nothing lead. Phillies rally, they went 15 to 11 and Jim Rooker walks from Philadelphia Pittsburgh to Philadelphia raising $81,000 for charity this day in sports history. Let's go around the room, see if we learned anything.
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Ray Ferraro
Todd For NBA players struggling to make free throws, Dylan wonders if they should just fire it up the backboard instead
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Reggie Miller
of trying to switch it.
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Dylan (Producer/Contributor)
Dylan, the Capital Bullets were a team.
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Dan Patrick
Yes they were. For a few years they were Baltimore, Capital and then Washington.
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Caller/Listener
Marvin I'm going to either game six or seven.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, I got you hooked up Paul what'd you learn today?
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Caller/Listener
A lot of new Knicks fans.
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Dan Patrick
What about me? Todd?
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Ray Ferraro
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Dan Patrick
Have a great day everybody For Fritzi. Dylan Mark Paulie, yours truly. We'll talk to you tomorrow.
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