Hour 3 – Revisiting Preseason Hot Takes, Mike Florio

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Patrick Show – Hour 3: Revisiting Preseason Hot Takes with Mike Florio

Release Date: January 8, 2025 | Host: Dan Patrick | Guest: Mike Florio

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Introduction and NFL Rushing Trends

The episode kicks off with Dan Patrick welcoming Mike Florio from Pro Football Talk, setting the stage for an in-depth analysis of the NFL preseason predictions. The discussion opens with a focus on the rising trend of rushing in the NFL, highlighting the exceptional performance of Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry.

Dan Patrick (01:00):

"Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry combined for the most yards rushing, passing, and receiving by any set of teammates in NFL history. They accumulated 7,201 yards this season, surpassing the previous record held by Ben Roethlisberger and Le'Veon Bell."

Patrick delves into the strategic shift towards a run-heavy game, noting that 43.4% of NFL plays were rushes this season—the highest since 2009. He correlates this trend with team success, pointing out that seven of the top ten rushing teams made the playoffs.

Dan Patrick (02:16):

"Start of the day, Start of the day, Start of the day, Start of."

Preseason Hot Takes and Predictions

The core segment of the episode revolves around preseason hot takes. Dan and the panel, including Mike Florio, engage in making bold predictions for the upcoming NFL season. The format involves each participant presenting both AFC and NFC takes, followed by a game assessing which predictions were most accurate or off the mark.

Paulie (27:14):

"Jeffrey Simmons of the Tennessee Titans will win Defensive Player of the Year."

Seaton (27:14):

"The New York Jets will go to the AFC Championship game."

Dan Patrick (27:37):

"Raheem Morris will win NFL Coach of the Year."

The predictions range from team performances to individual accolades, showcasing a mix of optimistic and controversial takes.

Interactive Segments and Listener Engagement

Throughout the show, Dan encourages listener participation through live calls. One notable call involves a listener named Curtis questioning the Packers' odds against the Philadelphia Eagles following a key injury. The panel discusses the impact of this injury, acknowledging that while statistics play a role, the psychological effect on the team cannot be underestimated.

Curtis (26:49):

"I saw an article that felt like just a bummer, like when Dre Greenlaw got injured in the Super Bowl. It's not statistically much, but it stayed with them."

Personal Anecdotes and Light Banter

The show features a lighthearted segment where the hosts share their earliest memories. Mike Florio recounts a vivid childhood memory of disrupting a family gathering by taking off his diaper, adding a humorous touch to the conversation.

Mike Florio (24:06):

"I have a vivid recollection of that and being scolded. It caused quite a scene."

Dan Patrick shares his own memory of an Easter mishap, reflecting on childhood behavior with humor.

Dan Patrick (25:40):

"One of my first memories is on Easter... I smashed all of the hard-boiled eggs on the walls."

Deeper NFL Insights and Speculations

The conversation shifts back to serious NFL discussions, particularly focusing on coaching decisions and quarterback performances. A significant portion is dedicated to the potential future moves of Mike Vrabel and Aaron Rodgers, exploring how coaching relationships and past experiences might influence their career trajectories.

Dan Patrick (09:02):

"I think Mike Vrabel will manage Bill Belichick and go where he feels like he should go. It seems like a no-brainer for him to go to New England."

Tyler (07:46):

"Mike Vrabel is going to do his own thing. He's got multiple opportunities and will decide based on where he feels right for him."

MVP Discussions and Award Predictions

The panel engages in a spirited debate about the NFL MVP race, weighing the performances of players like Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Patrick Mahomes. They discuss the subjective nature of the MVP award, emphasizing the importance of gut feeling over purely statistical validation.

Tyler (17:26):

"Trust your gut if you're a voter. Whatever your gut feeling is, go with it, because if you start coming up with objective justifications, all you're doing is finding any stat to support whatever it is you want to do."

The discussion highlights the complexities involved in award voting, with Tyler expressing skepticism about players balancing multiple roles effectively.

Final Hot Takes and Poll Results

In the final segment, the hosts reveal the outcomes of their preseason hot takes. Seaton's predictions regarding the Jets and Cowboys receive mixed reactions, while Paulie's bold claims about Russell Wilson and Will Levis spark debate. The poll results indicate varying levels of accuracy among the hosts' predictions, revealing both hits and misses.

Paulie (32:01):

"I would like to volunteer for most wrongest with my Will Levis take as they now have the number one pick of the draft. It's hard to get wronger than that."

Dan Patrick (32:50):

"The Jets going to the Super Bowl."

Conclusion and Takeaways

The episode concludes with reflective insights from the panel, summarizing key learnings and acknowledging the unpredictability of the NFL season. Dan Patrick teases upcoming episodes featuring notable guests like Brady Quinn and Greg McElroy, promising further in-depth discussions.

Dan Patrick (44:08):

"We lost Eden for the sports."

Mike Florio (44:03):

"Mike Florio can see Aaron Rodgers joining forces with Mike Tomlin in Pittsburgh next season. That's interesting."

Notable Quotes

• Dan Patrick (01:00):

  "Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry combined for the most yards rushing, passing, and receiving by any set of teammates in NFL history."

• Tyler (17:26):

  "Trust your gut if you're a voter."

• Paulie (27:14):

  "Jeffrey Simmons of the Tennessee Titans will win Defensive Player of the Year."

• Mike Florio (09:02):

  "Mike Vrabel is going to do his own thing."

Key Topics Covered

• NFL Rushing Trends: Analysis of the increasing emphasis on the running game and its correlation with team success.
• Preseason Hot Takes: Bold predictions for team performances, individual awards, and coaching decisions.
• MVP Race: Discussion on subjective criteria versus statistical performance in MVP voting.
• Coaching Movements: Speculations on future moves of prominent coaches and quarterbacks.
• Interactive Listener Engagement: Addressing listener questions and incorporating their insights into the discussion.
• Personal Stories: Sharing childhood memories to add a relatable and humorous element to the show.

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This episode offers a comprehensive exploration of NFL preseason outlooks, enriched by expert analysis from Mike Florio and interactive segments that engage both hosts and listeners. The blend of serious predictions, personal anecdotes, and lively debates provides a well-rounded and entertaining listen for fans anticipating the upcoming season.

Transcript

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[Dan Patrick]

You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. Final hour in this Wednesday Dan and the Danettes Dan Patrick Show. Mike Florio from Pro Football Talk will join us coming up and in about 20 minutes we bring back all of our preseason predictions. Some good, some bad, some really good and some pretty incredible hot takes there. But we'll have that for you coming up in about 20 minutes from now. 877-3DP show operator Tyler is sitting by. Good morning those watching on Peacock. Thank you for downloading the app. Our radio affiliates around the country numbering 410 cities, Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry combined for the most yards rushing passing receiving yards by any set of teammates in NFL history. They had 7,201 rushing, passing and receiving yards this season. The previous mark was set by Ben Roethlisberger and Le'Veon Bell. That was 7188. Start of the day, Start of the day, Start of the day, Start of.

[Mike Florio]

The day.

[Dan Patrick]

Start of the day. Brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the program. That was Ben and Le'Veon Bell. With the 2014 Steelers and NFL teams rushing the ball this year, I don't think it was an aberration. You know, I think you saw this with playoff teams. It was league wide 43.4% of the time NFL teams ran the ball this season. That's the highest rate since 2009. And there is a correlation here to success because you have seven out of the 10 teams that were in the top 10 rushing, they're in the playoffs. And then you had a couple of teams just outside of the top 10 who are in the playoffs. All right, poll question for the final hour of this Wednesday program. Seaton is going to be what?

[Seaton]

Well, let me update you on a couple of them that we got floating around right now. We did a couple of road games. Team, road teams that are most likely to win, right? NFC road team, most likely to win right now that people, about 57% of the audience have the Vikings beating the Rams on the road. In the AFC road team most likely to win, Chargers have 89% of that vote beating the Texans. Not a lot of the love for the Texans there.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, Chargers are favored. So are the Vikings, both on the road. And I think there's a strong sentiment that the Commanders can beat Tampa Bay. I've watched probably more Tampa Bay football this year than I thought I would, but Baker Mayfield played great, still got that chip on his shoulder. And Mike Evans, Mike Evans can bail out any quarterback. Now Baker did throw for, you know, 40 touchdowns this year. They got a running game. I, I, they're just a sneaky good team. And I think because they play in the NFC south, we kind of look at them and they go, yeah, you know, how good are they? I think they're, I think they're good and I think they have the potential to be a two win team in the playoffs. Now the Commanders, you know, that's kind of the, the great mystery there because a rookie quarterback going into the postseason. We saw CJ Stroud last year against the Ravens. I mean, Bo Nix is, we're going to see what he can do on the road against Buffalo. It's difficult, it's difficult for any quarterback to win on the road. Now you're asking rookies to win on the road and they are experienced quarterbacks. You know, Bo Nixon, Jaden Daniels. As we pointed out, they played for two different schools in two big conferences and they have shown success. The transition was right away. Drake may, you know, go back to Tom Brady's comments where he thought it was unfair that we were expecting these quarterbacks to come in and be successful. Well, Tom was wrong, certainly with this group. These guys came in and played. In fact, the guys who were coming in next year, it's going to be even tougher because these guys made it look a little bit easier than what it really is. Cam Ward and Shador Sanders and Jalen Milroe, whoever else is Riley Leonard, you know who it's not a deep quarterback draft or at least up top with guys that when you're going to draft them, are you going to be able to play? So somebody might reach for somebody a little sooner than they normally would because you want to get your quarterback. I always say, don't get a quarterback, get your quarterback. And too many of these GMs, owners, coaches, they start to panic when they're on the clock. And it's. You got to. You got to have discipline with that. You got to say, that's our guy. And if it's not that guy, then it's that guy. That's it. But you can't go. And I go back to, gosh, far back as the Bengals. The Bengals took Achilles Smith out of Oregon. I don't think they wanted him. And I think they were like, well, we got to get a quarterback. And it felt like, you know, these teams are jumping up and we're not going to get a quarterback. Get your quarterback. Because when you get your quarterback, then you have success, like Denver did with Bo Nix. The commanders, they, they wanted Jaden Daniels. They, they didn't care about Caleb Williams. They knew what they wanted, and that guy fell right. They didn't have to go up and get him. They didn't panic and go, we got to let. Let's trade. They didn't do that. But when you have that patience and you give them patience to develop, that's when you see success. Drake May coming out of college, there are a lot of people who had a lot of opinions on Drake May. Oh, my gosh, the Patriots, they reached now. I watched him his last year at North Carolina, and I didn't think he was great. But then I talked to one scout, and then we had Tim Hasselbeck on analyst for the Mothership, and he did a couple of North Carolina games. He was raving about it. Raving. And then the NFL scout who's a friend said, hey, he's got to clean up some things, but he has that ability to be a great quarterback and thought he could be a Justin Herbert kind of athlete at that position. Mike Florio is joining us on loan from Pro Football Talk. Always great to talk to Mike. And you can see him with Chris Sims Monday through Friday preceding this show on Peacock. Why did the Raiders wait a day to fire Antonio Pierce?

[Tyler]

Well, you know, first of all, Dan, there's no. And Happy New Year. If it's not too late to say Happy New Year, it is, too.

[Dan Patrick]

First of all, yes.

[Tyler]

Okay. That's fine. Happy New Year anyway. I mean, what's the alternative? Unhappy New Year? Is that what happens?

[Dan Patrick]

How about just, hi, Mike, how are you?

[Tyler]

Hi. Hi, Dan. Unless you are going to jump into the chase for Mike Vrabel, which maybe the Raiders will, you can't have face to face interviews with coordinators from other teams until January 20th. So you don't have to make a snap decision right away. But you'd like to think, as Jerry Jones so eloquently said last week, going into the Week 18 game against the Commanders, the hay is in the barn on what you're going to do about your coach. The Patriots knew why wait now? Look, there's an element of awkwardness that creeps in when you're firing the guy still in the locker room after the regular season finale. But once you know what you're going to do, any delay in implementing it runs the risk that someone else is going to find out and it's going to get out there. So, you know, whether it's Mark Davis wanted to talk to Tom Brady, who was working on Sunday and not at the game and not available for Davis to caucus with whatever the case may be, one day isn't a huge thing in the grand scheme of things because if you're looking for coordinators, you got a couple more weeks before you can even sit down and talk to.

[Dan Patrick]

I talked to somebody yesterday I trust in the business, and we were talking about a variety of things, including Brady's fingerprints all over the Raiders situation here. And I said I thought Antonio Pierce was going to be fired. So now you have the Mike Vrabel situation, Vrabel Brady relationship. And so this person said to me, I could see a scenario where Vrabel doesn't go to the Patriots because of his allegiance to Bill Belichick and what the crafts did to Belichick out the door. I don't know if he would do that. You know, it seems like he's the obvious guy there. But can Brady convince Brable to go to the Raiders?

[Tyler]

Well, that's where it would become extremely interesting. Interesting if Brady would use the way the Patriots treated Belichick, even though it kind of fell apart for Brady and Belichick near the end. But that's a way to convince Vrabel not to go back there. Vrabel is going to do his own thing. Vrabel is going to do what's right for him. And he's got that red jacket with the crest on it that makes him a member of the Patriots hall of Fame. It's going to be tough to pull him away from New England, but he's the one guy right now who is going to have multiple opportunities. Interviewing with the Bears today. Saints want to talk to him. Jets have talked to him. Raiders presumably will want to. It's everybody with the Jaguars so far have been linked to him in one way, shape or form. And at the end of the day he'll know in his heart whether he wants to go to New England despite the things that happened with Belichick. And I could see Vrabel compartmentalizing it. I could see Rabel smoothing things over with Bill if Bill's nose is out of joint. How dare you take that job and go to New England when I was there all those years. And you know, Vrabel's got, he's got a lot of parcels in him where he'll make his point in a very blunt way, but it's also kind of a charming and funny way and he's good with people in that respect. And, and I think that he'll manage Belichick and he'll go where he feels like he should go. And it just seems like a no brainer for him to go to New England. But how many times have we seen no brainers that just blow up and go a different direction?

[Dan Patrick]

How do you think Brady like after he does the Super Bowl? Do you think Tom Brady's one and done as a broadcaster?

[Tyler]

I think that Tom Brady and I made this point last week. Tom Brady either has no self awareness whatsoever to realize the various landmines and conflicts of interest and it's just a bad look him trying to do two jobs that do not mesh. And Miles Simmons of PFT put it best when this was all first percolating. He wants to be the best at everything he does. It's impossible to be the best possible broadcaster you can be and the best possible part owner of a team you can be. And he's either completely oblivious to that or he is hyper aware of the fact that he can do whatever the hell he wants and he's going to do whatever he wants to do. But I think at some point he's going to realize not being able to go to the games, not being involved with the team in the regular season, as involved as he'd like to be because he has another job that keeps him occupied on Sundays in other cities covering other games. I think at some point, he's going to realize on his own that I shouldn't do both. I can't do both. I want the competitive juices. I want to be in the fray. I want to be with the Raiders full time. And I think that there are people in the league who are quietly hoping that's the way it goes.

[Dan Patrick]

Will the Lions lose both their coordinators?

[Tyler]

It well, you know, Ben Johnson is only going to leave if he feels like it's the right opportunity. Alignment with the front office is one of his top factors, and he's learned from the mistakes of others. Where that window opens to be a head coach, you jump through it and you land in a briar patch and two, three years later you're out of a job and you wish you hadn't left. And I also think, and I heard this this weekend, he'd much rather be the mad scientist who is designing all these different crazy trick plays and exploiting defensive weaknesses than the guy who's at the center of attention, the guy who gets all the pressure, the guy whose address gets posted online and people show up at his house and and Dan Campbell goes through a lot now. He makes a lot more money, but 4 or 5 million a year for an offensive coordinator, that's not a bad life. And you get to do what you want to do and you don't have to deal with all the hassles of being a head coach. And he, he seems to be just sensitive to the fact that life changes dramatically when you become a head coach. It's got to be the right spot. And I would not rule him out going back to Detroit and just waiting and waiting and waiting for the perfect opportunity.

[Dan Patrick]

Talking to Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk Live co host, also contributor to Football Night in America. We just played our weekly game of in or Out. I'm sure you've heard of it. The first pick of the NFL draft will not be a quarterback. Are you in or out?

[Tyler]

I'll say I'm out because if the Titans decide they want a quarterback, they'll take one. And if they don't, I think they should trade the pick to a team that really falls in love with, with one of these quarterbacks. Now, it's still early in the process and whatever teams have put together by way of preliminary draft boards, that goes out the window once the coaches aren't coaching anymore and they get involved in the scouting process and their opinions begin to skew things. So there's a lot of work still left to be done. But just from the standpoint of teams that need quarterbacks. You got teams that have franchise quarterbacks and teams that don't. And the teams that don't are trying to get one. And the Raiders are a team that could maybe trade up with the Titans. You know, there are teams out there that I think if it's not the Titans taking a quarterback, they'll trade the pick to a team that wants one. Because the Titans could then parlay that into a bunch of other picks that could address other needs.

[Dan Patrick]

If Jared Goff wins Super bowl mvp, he's going to the hall of Fame. Are you in or out?

[Tyler]

I have to take a closer look at his entire career. It would be his second super bowl appearance. You know, the Rams basically attaching a first round pick to get him off their books is not a good look. I don't know that it's enough to get to the hall of Fame, but it puts him on track for something that three years ago we never would have dreamed possible. Because, I mean, this never gets described this way, but the Rams gave up an extra first round pick. They gave a 1 and a 3 for Stafford, and they attached the first round pick to golf to get his contract away. That's. That's how. How far he had fallen in the eyes of Sean McVeigh. And it might have been the best thing that ever happened to him because it sparked this resurgence where. Yeah, you know, I never thought of that, but I still think he'd have more work to do.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, final one. Aaron Rodgers will not be a player or a broadcaster, slash analyst next season. Are you in or out?

[Tyler]

Well, I think if he retires, he won't be a broadcaster. He said he'll walk off into the sunset, but I can't. I also can't imagine him fading away from relevance and keeping his mouth shut. I am out on him not being a player, though. I think he'll find a spot next year.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I do think he will. Yeah.

[Tyler]

I've been watching Pittsburgh. I think Pittsburgh makes a lot of sense. And Sims made a point today. This guy, Chad Brinker that nobody heard of until yesterday, who somehow arrived in Tennessee two years ago and is now completely in charge of the operation. Nashville is a place where Rogers has a house. The Titans need a quarterback. Here's the key. Brinker was with the packers from 2010 through 2022 in the front office. And we know how Rogers feels about the Green Bay front office. And he either loves Chad Brinker or he hates Chad Brinker. There is no in between with Aaron Rodgers. So you may scratch Tennessee off the list right now if he doesn't like Chad Brinker. But I can see Aaron Rodgers and Mike Tomlinson finding a way to join forces for one season and man, that would be exciting.

[Dan Patrick]

The MVP conversation is always fascinating. And you have a guy that, if this was the Academy Awards, it's Josh Allen's turn. They would probably say, whereas Lamar Jackson probably had his best performance. But you get voter fatigue. You get voters who go, yeah, but he doesn't do well in the. Like, people have their own criteria here. What do you think this comes down to as to why this quarterback will win the mvp?

[Tyler]

Well, and I said this the other day, trust your gut if you're a voter. Because what we do as humans, we find objective statistics and facts to support whatever it is our gut is telling us to do. Anyway, watch Josh Allen. Watch Lamar Jackson. Look at the season Lamar Jackson had in comparison to last year when he was mvp. And I know that other guys had less seasons than that and guys had better seasons than him. I get all that. But you gotta trust your gut. Who is the mvp? And you know the problem with this award? Dan? And I say this is one of the voters fully cognizant of the fact that they may take the award away or they vote away. And if they do, I don't care. What the hell is an mvp? Like, what does it mean? I heard Chris Fowler talking about it during the game on Saturday. Most valuable to your team. Well, is that what it is? I mean, it's an age old debate in sports. Most valuable to. If it's the most valuable player to the league, it's Patrick Mahomes every year until he retires because there is no one bringing value to the sport like him. So it's just a crazy thing. And I just tell people, whatever your gut feeling is, go with it. Because if you start coming up with objective justifications, all you're doing is because we can find any stat to support whatever it is we want to do.

[Dan Patrick]

Wow. But don't say that you don't want your vote. They can take it away.

[Tyler]

Oh, I. Well, let me tell you something. I've spent about this week and this is a busy week. And I know, I know we're covering sports. I've had real jobs. Real jobs suck. I'm not complaining about my job. But to throw another 10 hours of work between the all pro votes and the awards ballots on top of everything else for the grand total salary of $0.00, you get to a point where you're like, you know what? I wouldn't be so upset if they took my vote away.

[Dan Patrick]

I'll take your vote.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Dan Patrick]

But I. I don't know if the commissioner will let me have it.

[Tyler]

Oh, it's not that. Trust me. The commissioner has nothing to do with it or I would not. If the commissioner had anything to do.

[Dan Patrick]

With, say, how did you get the vote?

[Tyler]

Yeah, I wouldn't have the vote.

[Dan Patrick]

He would vote against you getting a vote.

[Tyler]

He would. He would blackball me.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. All right, well, you can ship me your. Your MVP vote. All right. Thank you, Mike.

[Tyler]

Thank you, Dan.

[Dan Patrick]

Good talking to you. That's Mike Florio. Happy New Year, Mike. You can see him on Football Night America. No, I. I had my mailman came by on Saturday. He goes, wait, am I in under the wire? Am I allowed to say happy New Year? And I go, yeah, you can say happy New Year, but not. Not Sunday. He goes, why not work on Sunday? I said, well, definitely not Monday. No. Happy New Year. We're done with that. All right. We'll take a break. When we come back. Oh, this is going to be epic. Preseason hot takes. We will bring back all of our hot takes. It's not going to be pretty for some of us. Back after this. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our [e-mail] and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Hey, Steve Covino.

[Tyler]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Tyler]

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[Dan Patrick]

Coming up, we will replay our hot takes, preseason hot takes with the NFL. By the way, Justin Herbert at his press conference yesterday, had an interesting conversation or discussion story. And, well, first of all, he's asked this question. I did not think that I was going to hear this answer. Was the first time, maybe during offseason workouts or something that Jim said where you were like, this guy's definitely different. I think when he talked about remembering the day that he was born was.

[Tyler]

Probably the first day that he kind of told us the whole story and.

[Dan Patrick]

How he remembered looking out the window. And I think it was a cold, snowy day. And I really hope he does remember that. That'd be pretty cool. So Harbaugh actually remembers the day he was born, that he remembers looking out the window. You know, when you're successful, you're quirky. When you're not successful, you're crazy. Harbaugh is quirky. I don't remember. See, I think the first memory I would have would probably be clouded by the fact that I would see a home movie or maybe a picture. So I don't know if I have. Todd, you remember the first. Like, what's the first memory you have?

[Mike Florio]

I think the first memory I have was when there was family and friends over in my apartment growing up and I decided it would be a good idea to take my diaper off and go number two in the kitchen as opposed to some other part of the house. I have a vivid recollection of that and being scolded. And it caused quite a scene.

[Dan Patrick]

And you were like six, I was like nine. Nine. And you took off your diaper.

[Mike Florio]

No, I remember being diaper age. And I don't know if I was 4 or 5, whatever it was, but I.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, no, no, no, you're not diaper age, whatever it is.

[Mike Florio]

I don't remember.

[Tyler]

I didn't.

[Seaton]

You have kids?

[Paulie]

He never changes.

[Mike Florio]

I don't. The years I don't remember when the diaper thing.

[Dan Patrick]

He didn't change a couple. No, you didn't.

[Mike Florio]

I guess two, three, whatever it is.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Mike Florio]

Do you remember that seaton?

[Dan Patrick]

You remember your first memory?

[Seaton]

Well, I don't know. Yeah, I don't really know if it is my first. The earliest memory I can probably think of is I remember once going with, I think my dad to visit somebody. I remember their backyard. They're having these huge trees cut down, I think. And I remember we visited somebody very old. She might have been like a great grandmother or like someone like super, super old though. And I was very, very young. And I remember how everything smelled.

[Dan Patrick]

Marvin, probably first memory for me is seeing the Michael Jackson silhouette saying Michael Jackson's coming to Hartford. And me just like going crazy like mommy, please take me there. And she took me to the circus instead, ready to call DCF on her. How old were you? Probably like four. Almost five. Paul.

[Paulie]

I think I remember my third birthday party. But like you said, it could be clouded by pictures. I remember sneaking. My grandmother made me a cake. It looked like a choo choo train. And I snuck into there and looked at it and I can remember what it looked like. I could remember where I was standing and where the fridge was in this back room. I think I remember that.

[Dan Patrick]

One of my first memories is so weird. It was on Easter. I don't know how old I was. I just remember that I didn't get much candy in my basket. My brothers may have, you know, my older brothers may have taken it. And I got hard boiled eggs that were colored eggs and I got the hard boiled eggs and I went into the back hallway leading out the back door and I smashed all of the hard boiled eggs on the walls out there. So I might have been four. That didn't go over well with mom because the next memory I had is she got a Switch from the tree and. And spanked me. Switch was very, very underrated when it came to discipline. You either got the thin belt or you got the switch. You got to pick. I went switch. Wrong move. But I was only four years old. Okay, time to play hot takes preseason edition on the Dan Patrick Show. Paulie, you're going to kind of give us the lay of the land here.

[Paulie]

Yes. So the day of the regular season, right before we did two AFC and two NFC hot takes each. At the end of this, we're going to play the game. Who was the most rightest? Who was the most wrongest.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Paulie]

It's proper English.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, Let me start with Marvin. Do we have Marvin? Okay. Jeffrey Simmons of the Tennessee Titans will win defensive player of the year.

[Seaton]

Okay.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. All right. The New York jets will go to the AFC Championship game. Okay. Okay. All right. Anything else?

[Paulie]

Here's his NFC picks.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. Sam Darnold will make the Pro Bowl.

[Seaton]

Let's go.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, give me one more. Ah.

[Paulie]

Game over.

[Dan Patrick]

Wow.

[Paulie]

Geez.

[Dan Patrick]

Yup. And Raheem Morris will win NFL Coach of the Year. Dang. Okay. All right. He's not gonna win it, but team won the division. So these are supposed to be hot takes. Yes.

[Seaton]

Right. These are hot takes, not predictions.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes.

[Seaton]

So actually, Marvin, if it was a prediction game, would have gotten it right, but he got it horribly wrong. Because it was a hot take.

[Dan Patrick]

Right?

[Seaton]

Or no, am I thinking of that the wrong way?

[Paulie]

We were trying to give the hottest preseason takes, and if we stumble down to a true one, that's the bonus.

[Seaton]

Then it still worked. Okay, Got it.

[Dan Patrick]

Got it. Paulie, you're next.

[Paulie]

Russell Wilson of the Steelers, as opposed to. Yep. Russell Wilson will start a playoff game for the Steelers.

[Dan Patrick]

Whoa.

[Paulie]

Okay, My second hot take is Will Levis of the Titans will win the most improved player in the league award. If there is one, which I'm not sure there is. I think there used to be, but if there was, he will Bonus take.

[Dan Patrick]

You know what? He's going to be so improved, they're going to create the award.

[Paulie]

Correct. Bonus take with Will Levis. He'll lead the AFC in touchdowns and interceptions.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, that's bad. Kind of a Jameis Winston type season. Okay. Do you have NFC Kyler Murray?

[Paulie]

Dan of the Cardinals. Kyler Murray at the Cardinals will start a playoff game. One of the worst teams in football last year, Kyler Murray started playing.

[Tyler]

Okay, all right.

[Paulie]

This one you're going to give me a little wiggle room with, because this is going to extend into January, February, The Dallas Cowboys will start 2025, the off season with no head coach and no quarterback under contract.

[Dan Patrick]

Almost maybe seat no counter.

[Seaton]

Let's see my NFC hot takes. The Dallas Cowboys will win Super Bowl 59.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, once again, these are.

[Seaton]

Jay and Paulie are head to head.

[Dan Patrick]

That is.

[Seaton]

He's got everybody getting fired. I have them win.

[Dan Patrick]

Winning. That's high.

[Seaton]

And for bonus picks, I have them beating the Cincinnati Bengals. Okay, your mvp, Joe Burrow.

[Dan Patrick]

Cowboys, Bengals.

[Seaton]

Yeah. And then I have. The Panthers will win the NFC South.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, how about the. Wrong.

[Seaton]

How about the Joe Burrow mvp? Isn't that crazy?

[Dan Patrick]

No, it's not.

[Seaton]

It's not that crazy. But everything else.

[Dan Patrick]

And once again, this is supposed to be hot, hot, hot takes.

[Seaton]

Those are my hot takes.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, how about the afc?

[Seaton]

Joe Burrow will be your mvp and the Colts will make the playoffs. Oh, that wasn't too far off either. They were close.

[Dan Patrick]

Ish. Yeah.

[Seaton]

Yeah. They eliminated week 17. I guess.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, how about me? The jets will go to the Super Bowl. Aaron Rodgers will win mvp. Whoa. Close.

[Seaton]

Okay.

[Paulie]

It's not over yet.

[Dan Patrick]

Yo. Are they officially eliminated? How about the nfc? I have the Falcons going to the NFC title game.

[Mike Florio]

That's crazy.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, Tom. They will face. They will face the LA Rams in the NFC title scalding.

[Mike Florio]

No way that happened.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, Todd. The Rams could be there. I think I had Joe Burrow mvp. Let's go to Todd. Let's go nfc. Can I go NFC first? And then we'll go to his Denver Broncos.

[Mike Florio]

The New York Football Giants were 6 and 11 in 2023. They finished third in their division and 13th in the conference. Daniel Jones and the G Men will regress further, finishing no better than 4:12 and 1. There's your tiebreaker last in the NFC East. One of if not the worst record in the conference in the entire league. And they will desperately miss their services of Saquon Barkley.

[Dan Patrick]

All right.

[Mike Florio]

He rushed for 962 yards with 16.

[Dan Patrick]

Give you a round of applause for that.

[Seaton]

Yeah, nailed it.

[Dan Patrick]

One more nfc.

[Mike Florio]

These last season he missed a couple games. But staying with the Saquon Barkley theme, I say he will run for at least 1500 yards and at least 10 touchdowns this season as a member of the Philadelphia.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, another round of applause for Fritzi.

[Seaton]

Well, prognosticator of prognosticators.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, you're. You put the pro in prognosticator. All right.

[Seaton]

Tawny Todd.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. AFC predictions.

[Mike Florio]

Perhaps it's wishful thinking on my part, but Bo Nix, who wears number 10 leads the Broncos to 10 wins as Denver participates in a road wild card game.

[Tyler]

Oh, my God.

[Dan Patrick]

He had it.

[Mike Florio]

10 and 7 at double digit wins as a rookie.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Mike Florio]

After a bad Week 5 loss at home to the Cowboys, Mike Tomlin benches Russell Wilson for Justin Fields. That specific game.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. All right. Kind of happened. You did great. Yeah.

[Seaton]

Well done.

[Mike Florio]

That was pretty crazy.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes.

[Paulie]

Paulie, who was the most rightest?

[Dan Patrick]

Todd.

[Paulie]

Todd over Marvin with Sam Darnold.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but I mean, Todd had the Broncos with 10 wins. Bo Nicks number 10. And they have a road playoff game.

[Paulie]

Okay.

[Dan Patrick]

And saquon Barkley over 1500 yards. And the Giants would be maybe one of his services. Yes. Worst teams in the nfc.

[Paulie]

I'd like to volunteer for most wrongest with my will. Levis take as they now have the number one pick of the draft. It's hard to get wronger than that.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, the jets going to the Super Bowl.

[Seaton]

Well, the Cowboys beating the Bengals in the Super Bowl.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Seaton]

I got both teams not even in the playoffs. Yeah, that's pretty terrible.

[Dan Patrick]

Those, those are your preseason hot take. Congratulations. Let me see Curtis in Illinois. Hi, Curtis. Welcome to the program. Morning. Dp Just had a quick question for you. Yesterday you mentioned it and then again today about the packers odds of beating Philly going down tremendously because Watson being out. But looking at the Packer stats and just watching this year, he's six then receiving and only has two touchdowns. So I don't know if you're getting any other inside information or you just like a gut feeling that you got on why that's going to be as big of a deal. But you know what it was, Curtis, it felt like just such a bummer. Like it. Like the injury you could see when the packers reacted to it. So I think it was. I don't think it's one of those statistically as much as it is. That guy, when healthy is a great, you know, great contributor to that team and having a deep threat. You got a young secondary in Philadelphia now. They played well, but yeah, I just. It was more of that we lost. Like when Dre Greenlaw got injured in the Super Bowl. Is he their best linebacker? No. But when he got injured, you could almost see like, oh my God. And it. It kind of felt like it stayed there with them. Now if this is October, it's different, but it just happened. And I think because of that, I thought that's one of those. That kind of stays with you. Rocco in Florida. Hi, Rocco. What's on your mind? Dan? Dan Ed, how are we doing this morning? Great. All right, awesome. So, first of all, 59190. Thank you. And then I just want to tap base on the Lamar Jackson. I know it's like beat to death with everyone, but do you think that it's also criticism on him? That's why everyone's so hard on him because he has such an established coach. Like, that's been there. That's been the playoffs. That's like the play calling everything to where they just put everything on him. Like, oh, well, everything's there, so you should just be able to do it. Well, I think Lamar is the one who gets beat up more than John Harbaugh does. This is. This is on the coach, too. But I think we hold Lamar accountable for everything that happens with the Ravens, and that's not fair to him. And it is a regular season award. I know that we'd love to see what you're going to do in the postseason. We expect you to do things in the postseason. Aaron Rodgers wasn't great in the postseason. He had four MVPs. Peyton Manning was he.500 in the postseason. So, you know, we. We do attach something extra to that, whether it's fair or not. But that's the position. You give more credit and you give more blame. That's it. It goes along with the. The territory. We'll take a break. Last call for phone calls. What we learn what's in store tomorrow, this day in sports history. After this, be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

[Bobby Bones]

Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirror ball trophy from Dancing with the Star. So where else are you going to find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? Based in Nashville, we're more than just your basic NFL show. We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit everything, because we got lots to say. I. I texted you, and you texted me back. Now, I don't know if you have the update, but, like, all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff, like, it's all colored. They changed it and the heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm gonna be honest. It was a little pink.

[Dan Patrick]

There was something sentimental when you like when you send it, it was like, do I send the heart now?

[Bobby Bones]

I don't like the color of it.

[Dan Patrick]

It's extremely pink.

[Bobby Bones]

Listen to lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dan Patrick]

While tickets last. If you're in New Orleans super bowl week that Wednesday, I'll be at Tip Patinas with Dan LeBatard. It's Dan Interviews. Dan. Information on tickets can be [e-mail] and across our social media platforms. While supplies last. Brady Quinn on the program tomorrow. Greg McElroy. We get ready for college football. Coming up tomorrow night, the final four is here. Last call for phone calls. What we learn what's in store tomorrow. A quick NBA game as well. We did have who has the most points to fewest assist in NBA history? And that.

[Paulie]

This is the reverse. Dan.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Paulie]

The player who had the most assists in his career averaged per game and the fewest points scored.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. Now was Moses Malone the one who had the most points with the fewest assists?

[Paulie]

Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

In NBA history. Okay. This player has the most assist to fewest points.

[Paulie]

On this list are a bunch of guys from the past. They're all from the past 20 years.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. Okay. Oh, that's it. No other hints.

[Paulie]

Mostly guards. All from the past 20 years.

[Dan Patrick]

All right. Points to assist. Marvin.

[Paulie]

They had to average at least seven assists per game.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. Marvin. Andre Miller. Dang.

[Paulie]

No.

[Dan Patrick]

Wow. Back row. Interested in joining us on this? Any guesses?

[Mike Florio]

Sedale threat?

[Paulie]

Not in the past 20 years.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. And I don't think he's. I don't think he played enough.

[Mike Florio]

I was gonna say Russell Westbrook, but he scored a lot of points.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, he did. Russell.

[Paulie]

Russell is 12th because assists. His assists are high and his scoring while high career average is there. So he's 12th all time.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. Eric Snow.

[Paulie]

No, I like the ingenuity.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, so this guy had a lot of assists, but not necessarily a lot of Rondo. Rajan. Rondo.

[Seaton]

Rajan Rondo. He was an all assist guy.

[Paulie]

That is overwhelmingly correct. Rondo. Eight assists per game. Only nine points per game.

[Dan Patrick]

And where's he on the list?

[Paulie]

Number one.

[Dan Patrick]

Let's go. Look at that.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Seaton]

Out of nowhere, back row.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Boom. Off the top rope.

[Mike Florio]

Preseason prediction.

[Dan Patrick]

Rondo.

[Mike Florio]

That's what you get.

[Tyler]

Who wants second?

[Paulie]

Second place. Here's the big hint. Loved by Mannix.

[Dan Patrick]

Ricky Rubio is correct.

[Seaton]

Spain is stacked.

[Dan Patrick]

Where's Mannix been? Did he get married?

[Paulie]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Married.

[Seaton]

Is he big timing us?

[Dan Patrick]

I don't know. I think he was like, you guys don't call. So I'm gonna be on Rich Eisen show.

[Mike Florio]

Yeah. He thinks we're big timing him.

[Dan Patrick]

I think it's after football season.

[Paulie]

We'll have Mac on, of course.

[Dan Patrick]

I don't know if I will now. Maybe not. Give me Wendy. I'll take Wendy.

[Seaton]

Everyone.

[Paulie]

Mannix is married, though.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, he married a boxer.

[Paulie]

I would have had. What's the name? DiCaprio get married before Mannix.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, Tom.

[Mike Florio]

Archie's a knockout. Boxing.

[Dan Patrick]

I'll give you credit at the end of the show.

[Mike Florio]

Thank you.

[Dan Patrick]

It's the end of it. I'll take the end of the show.

[Mike Florio]

Desperate.

[Dan Patrick]

You wore me down. You do. You wear me down during the course.

[Mike Florio]

Of a completely obvious boxer.

[Dan Patrick]

You're funny. Yeah. How about that?

[Seaton]

Ah, man, that hit me in the.

[Dan Patrick]

Exact right spot in the gazungas. This day in sports.

[Mike Florio]

We lost Eden for the sports.

[Seaton]

I was like, I can't believe he actually said so easy.

[Mike Florio]

But why did I say it? Everyone was thinking that's what I had to say.

[Dan Patrick]

So good. I wasn't thinking it.

[Mike Florio]

Yes, you were. No, it was like right there on the table. I'm not gonna say it.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. This day in sports history.

[Paulie]

In 1977, for the first time the COVID of TV Guide was the Super Bowl. And then 1901 in Chicago, Illinois, the first tournament sanctioned by the American Bowling Congress was held. That's the kind of politician I would like to be.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Bowler. Yeah. Oh, on this day in 2012, Todd.

[Mike Florio]

Oh, I think I know where you're going with that.

[Dan Patrick]

Where am I going?

[Mike Florio]

You're going Tim Tebow to Demarius Thomas. Say goodnight.

[Dan Patrick]

Pittsburgh Steelers start overtime in wild card heck.

[Mike Florio]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

80 yard touchdown. Now that's the first scrimmage play of overtime. It wasn't an 80 yard pass. I think it was a 10 yard pass and a 70 yard run.

[Mike Florio]

Yeah, Demaris did a lot of the running on that.

[Dan Patrick]

Also, the Music City miracle. This day in 2000, Titans rallied to beat the Bills. Frank wick, Kevin Dyson. 75 yards. Game winning touchdown. Final results of the poll question. Seaton.

[Seaton]

See, we'll go back to the original poll. Which head coachless team feels furthest from the super bowl right now? The Jets. Jets. Just jets running away with that one. Followed by the Raiders and Saints now. Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Kent in Michigan. Hi, Kent. What's on your mind, fellas? Dan, you are 100% right on. FaceTime is for grandkids. All right, 100pmy question and I was going to let it go earlier, but Chase Daniel brought it back up, the whole idea when he alluded to the idea of being a team three times in the season. And I saw an article and it goes back to your, your, your choice. And I completely understand picking Kevin O'Connell over Dan Campbell for coach of the year, but if the, if the lions beat in 10 days, if they beat Minnesota for the third time in 10 days, does that change your mind? No. This is regular season. I expected Detroit to be great. I picked him the winter Super Bowl. I didn't think the Vikings were going to make the playoffs. I thought the Bears were going to make the playoffs. So I think because we didn't have high expectations, that's how you win the award. Usually the best coach on the best team doesn't win. It's always, wow, that's a big surprise. Didn't see that coming. Let's go around the room. What we learned on the program. Once again, Brady Quinn will be with us and Greg McElroy gets you ready for the college football playoffs. Todd, what did you learn today?

[Mike Florio]

Mike Florio can see Aaron Rodgers joining forces with Mike Tomlin in Pittsburgh next season. That's interesting.

[Dan Patrick]

Yep. You know, that's out there. That's been out there, which is kind of weird, but it's out there. Seaton, what did you learn today?

[Seaton]

All this time I've been sitting next to Punxatadi Fritz.

[Dan Patrick]

No strong predictions. Nostratus. Marvin, how about you? Lebatar loves the FaceTime.

[Mike Florio]

You shirtless?

[Dan Patrick]

He does he. You know, him and his wife. He's the one that's shirtless. Paulie. We look back at our hot takes, what we learned. Brought to you by Rapid Radios, official walkie talkie of the Dan Patrick show, offering national LTE coverage. No subscriptions ever. A great alternative for your kids or parents. We use them on the show. Go to rapidradios.com 60% off, free shipping. Thanks for joining us. Our pleasure to serve you for Fritzi Seaton, Mark Pauliers, truly. We'll talk to you tomorrow. Some people just know they could save hundreds on car insurance by checking Allstate first. Like, you know to check you have the tickets in your wallet first before you drive two hours to the big game. Seriously, you had one job. Now the closest you'll get to the 50 yard line is parking lot D. Yeah, checking first is smart. So check all state first for a quote that could save you hundreds. You're in good hands with Allstate Savings. Vary terms, apply Allstate Fire and Casualty Insurance Company and Affiliates, Northbrook, Illinois.

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