Hour 3 – Scott Fowler, Mel Kiper Jr.

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show [Hour 3] – March 25, 2026

Guests: Scott Fowler (Charlotte Observer Sports Columnist), Mel Kiper Jr. (NFL Draft Expert)

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Episode Overview

This lively hour of “The Dan Patrick Show” centers on the latest shakeups in college basketball—particularly at North Carolina—and pivots into a thorough NFL Draft deep dive with Mel Kiper Jr. The conversations blend real-time sports industry news, insider perspectives on coaching changes, North Carolina’s rivalry with Duke, speculation about dream jobs in college hoops, and a detailed look at the NFL Draft process—including Mel's rigorous philosophy, player comps, and stories from sports media history. Characteristically, the banter is quick, humorous, and conversational, with plenty of fan engagement.

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Segment Breakdown and Key Discussion Points

1. Opening Banter: Sports Emmy “Loseritos” and North Carolina News

[03:05–05:48]

• Dan and the crew react to losing out on a Sports Emmy nomination, maintaining humor:
  • “At the end of the day, I still have the Danettes, the back room guys, this great audience… Loser ritos.” – Dan Patrick [03:05]
• They question the alignment of their show with the awards category and vow to “take the high road.”
• Intro to main topics: North Carolina basketball’s coaching churn, Jerry McNamara to Syracuse, MLB’s opening night, and the day’s poll questions.

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2. Scott Fowler on North Carolina – The Program’s Crossroads

[05:48–12:06]

• Scott declares UNC football in “worse shape” than basketball but assures that the coaching gig remains “one of the five best jobs in college sports.” [06:16–06:43]
• Diagnosis of UNC Basketball’s Woes:
  • “Gradually and then all at once … After Roy left, they have not quite figured out how to sustain it.” – Scott Fowler [06:45]
  • Huberts Davis’ ousting wasn’t mutual—a result of high donor/booster impatience.
• The Duke Comparison Problem:
  • “If I’m a donor … I only measure North Carolina with Duke. That’s a tough comparison.” – Dan [07:31]
  • “Because that is the blue blood rivalry… and Duke has been so darn good.” – Scott [07:56]
• Coaching Search Rumors:
  • Dan relays source speculation: Billy Donovan and Brad Stevens not in play; Tommy Lloyd (Arizona), Josh Schertz (St. Louis), Michael Malone, Nate Oats, and Todd Golden are possible names. [08:50]
  • Scott emphasizes a need to “expand outside ‘the family’” for the next coach. [09:27]
• Michael Jordan’s Involvement:
  • “I don’t think [he’s] terribly involved… His focus lies on his NASCAR team.” – Scott [10:20]

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3. Carolina Football, Bill Belichick, and Job Security

[10:52–12:06]

• Dan and Scott lightly discuss Bill Belichick’s tenure at UNC football.
  • “I just don't know that that's honestly going to work out long term.” – Scott [11:32]
  • Prediction: Belichick probably has “one more year, maybe a third” if performance improves.

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4. Call-In Segment: College Basketball Blue Bloods

[12:49–15:08]

• Callers express solidarity and offer up trophies, with more Emmy banter.
• Kyle from Iowa and Dan debate:
  • “Kansas because … Carolina is compared to Duke and you’re losing that battle.” – Dan [14:00]
  • Marv: “Are Kentucky, Kansas, and North Carolina the bluest of the blue bloods?” [14:42]
  • Dan: “It's a bigger story when they're not competitive than when they are.” [14:54]

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5. Award Show Snubs & The Post Malone Analogy

[17:08–19:02]

• Paul quizzes the crew on “who has the most Grammy nominations without a win?”—the answer: Post Malone, 0 for 18. [18:22]
• Jokes about tattooing a Sports Emmy on their faces:
  • “How about a tattoo of a sports Emmy on your face?” – Dan [18:43]
  • Seaton: “Right under my eye, like a teardrop… It’s a sports Emmy.” [18:47]

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6. Main Event: Mel Kiper Jr. on the NFL Draft

[25:14–40:40]

a) What Moves Draft Stock Late in the Process?

[25:51–27:46]

• “The only thing you want to wait on is guys that didn’t do much at the combine… And anything you hear from an interview, anything about an injury late, Dan, could alter some things.” – Mel Kiper [25:51]
• Emphasis on the parity and mixed opinions throughout this year’s draft, especially at wide receiver.

b) Separating the Wide Receivers

• “You’ve got to catch the ball… It’s how you view projecting a college player into the NFL.” – Mel [26:45]
• This year’s WRs: “mixed opinion reigns supreme more than any other year.” [27:46]

c) Quarterback Prospect Deep Dive

• On Fernando “Mando” Mendoza:
  • “He’s both [a great story and a great QB]… what he did from start to finish with the pressure and in the playoffs—8 TDs, no picks, and a rushing touchdown—he was at 75% completion in the three biggest games of the year.” – Mel [27:52–29:12]
  • At Cal vs. Indiana: “He would have been a second, maybe late first-round pick off his Cal tape.” [29:17]
  • Comparison: “He kind of has that Peyton Manning ability… and a little Matt Ryan in him.” [30:20]
• On Ty Simpson (and disagreement with Dan Orlovsky):
  • “15 starts is a dangerous, risky number for Ty Simpson.” – Mel [30:20]
  • “Mendoza’s number one on my big board… Ty Simpson’s 25.” – Mel [30:09]
  • Fumble, accuracy, and pressure concerns for Simpson.
• On Arch Manning, if he had entered:
  • “He’d have been right there with Mendoza… but he didn’t have that kind of year. It was uneven. I’m not automatically putting Arch ahead of Mendoza.” [33:02]

d) Jeremiah Love – Draft Value of a Multi-Dimensional Back

[34:23–36:45]

• Dan: “I don’t understand… If I’m Tennessee, I gotta have that guy… Why wouldn’t [Jeremiah Love] go high?”
• Mel: “That was the philosophy [not to draft RBs high] that started 25 years ago, and I got screamed at… But I’m agreeing with you. He’s more than a running back… As a receiving option, he is worthy of being a top 4 pick, certainly top 7.” [35:14]
  • “You put a fear factor player, weapon like Jeremiah Love with Jaden Daniels, you got something special.” [36:11]

e) On Media Contribution and the Hall of Fame

[36:45–40:29]

• Dan pitches Mel for the NFL Hall of Fame: “You should be in the Hall of Fame one day as a contributor to the game.” [36:45]
• Mel humbly credits many before him and ESPN for “taking it to the world,” recalling resistance to televising the draft:
  • “I survived the hate… If I read you the scathing articles from ’79 up to 2000, you’d say, ‘How did you last that long?’” – Mel [37:07]
  • “When the passion dwindles, Dan, I’ll walk away.” [40:40]

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7. Callers React: Emmys, Michael Jordan’s Legacy, the Toddcast

[46:46–50:52]

• Listeners suggest creating their own award show: “The Dan-Eddies.” [47:36]
• Luke from Texas offers a generational perspective:
  • “College kids are starting to talk about MJ [Michael Jordan] the way you guys talk about Bob Cousy.” – Luke [47:56]
  • Luke predicts Kobe Bryant’s legacy may eclipse MJ’s due to how Kobe’s career ended.
• Panel discusses how NIL and recruiting dynamics affect Jordan’s pull at UNC:
  • “They’d rather have Michael Jordan’s money than his phone call.” – Marv [49:28]

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8. Quick Hits & Wrap-Up

[51:00–52:30]

• On this day: Gretzky’s record-setting season and the Hartford Whalers’ move to Carolina.
• What the crew learned:
  • Todd: “Kyle in Iowa wonders which is the better job, Kansas or UNC.”
  • Seaton: “Breakfast burritos help you feel better.”
• Closing inspiration:
  • “We did it. Dealt a devastating blow to start the show, but we rallied. We’ll try to do better tomorrow.” – Dan [52:30]

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “Gradually and then all at once… After Roy left, they have not quite figured out how to sustain it.”
  – Scott Fowler on UNC’s decline [06:45]
• “When I first got to ESPN, my nickname was the Charlotte Observer—Incredible.”
  – Dan shares media memories [12:07]
• “Kansas because it feels like Kansas is not compared to anybody… Carolina is compared to Duke.”
  – Dan on Kansas vs. UNC jobs [14:00]
• “Post Malone, 0 for 18.”
  – Paulie reveals Grammy snub leader [18:23]
• “He kind of has that Peyton Manning ability in that regard… a little Matt Ryan in him.”
  – Mel Kiper on Fernando Mendoza [30:20]
• “I don’t want a part of anything. I just want to do what I do. … The only thing I did right was survive the hate.”
  – Mel Kiper on Hall of Fame consideration [37:07]
• “When the passion dwindles, Dan, I will walk away.”
  – Mel Kiper [40:43]

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Flow & Tone

The show maintains Dan Patrick’s signature blend of nostalgia, wit, and earnest sports talk. Guests like Scott Fowler and Mel Kiper Jr. offer direct, authoritative commentary—Scott with a local journalist’s dry clarity, Mel with encyclopedic fervor and humility. The banter about Emmy losses, generational stars, and music awards keeps the episode light, while fan calls and behind-the-scenes stories provide inclusivity and depth.

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Useful Timestamps

• 06:11 – Scott Fowler on UNC’s basketball woes
• 07:31 – The Duke rivalry’s impact on UNC’s standard
• 10:13 – How involved is Michael Jordan at UNC?
• 14:00 – “Kansas is a better job than UNC right now” debate
• 18:23 – Post Malone’s Grammy record
• 25:51 – Mel Kiper on draft stock changes
• 27:52 – “Fernando Mendoza is both a great story and a great quarterback.”
• 30:09 – Mel’s big board: Mendoza #1, Ty Simpson #25
• 33:02 – Arch Manning hypotheticals
• 35:14 – “Jeremiah Love is more than a running back” – Mel
• 37:07 – Mel on media, NFL Draft TV, and lasting through hate

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Final Thoughts

This episode is packed with behind-the-scenes insight, from navigating blue-blood basketball turmoil to the intricacies of NFL draft grading. The interviews are candid and detailed, balanced with trademark Dan Patrick Show levity and reflection. Whether you’re a college hoops junkie or a draftnik, this hour is a lively, informative, and memorable listen.

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[Dan Patrick]

You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. Final hour on this Wednesday. I lifted some spirits. I had big day. Ray, one of our producers here, go get some burritos, breakfast burritos. We call them loser ritos because we lost the sports Emmy nomination this morning. Nick Wright kind enough to break the news to me and a text message saying hey, we got nominated. And I realized we didn't get nominated so I had to send a kind of half ass heartfelt congratulations. Nick, I'm really happy for you. But hey, at the end of the day I still have the dance, the back room guys, this great audience here. Yes, Todd.

[Todd]

And again, we were nominated several times a bunch in a row and we're in a category that's very strange compared to some of the other shows. So that should be said.

[Dan Patrick]

Mate, you're not bothered?

[Todd]

I'm bothered and disappointed. But I will still say that again. We were nominated many times and again, it's a kind of a wonky category who we're up against. Some of the types of shows don't really match what we do necessarily. So those are all factors.

[Dan Patrick]

Which ones? Don't know like when it's like like

[Todd]

when it's MLB or auto racing, NASCAR tonight and some of these things.

[Dan Patrick]

And it's a studio show. Yeah, it's a daily student.

[Todd]

Some of the shows don't line up great in recent years with like what our show is in my opinion.

[Dan Patrick]

Ok. All right. I choose to take the high road and everybody's a winner in my opinion. And congratulations on all the nominees. Mel Kuiper, draft expert, will join us. Coming up, trying to get Mel into the hall of Fame. I don't know how important it is for Mel for a contributor, but I want to get Mel into the hall of Fame. We'll check in with Carolina sports Hubert Davis getting fired. Syracuse introduces Jerry McNamara, baseball opening night Yankees and the Giants poll question Seaton for the final hour of this previously award nominated program.

[Seaton]

Multi award nominated. This one's from Paul. Which is closer to competitive golf, TGL or live right now, 64% have lived A problem for TGL is people keep getting the letters wrong, which is never a good sign for your branding. So, like, I got a text earlier, it said, hey, maybe PGL should do this. Then we got some replies saying TPL would have to do this. So getting the letters wrong is a terrible sign. And then this one's from Marvin. Which program is in worst shape? North Carolina basketball. North Carolina football. Football has 85% of that vote. Dang.

[Dan Patrick]

Opening day on NBC. And Peacock, it'll be Paul Skeens visiting the Mets. Then in primetime Diamondbacks against the Dodgers. That's Thursday on NBC. And Peacock, we segue into North Carolina sports. Scott Fowler back with us. Charlotte observer sports columnist. What's in worse shape? Carolina basketball. Carolina football.

[Scott Fowler]

Well, Dan, first of all, you're nominated in my book. Absolutely.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, Scott. Thank you.

[Scott Fowler]

Sorry I'm not getting any of those burritos. But I think the answer to that question is clear. 85% of those people are indeed right. It football is worse off. I mean, whoever they hire here as a, you know, as the basketball coach, this is remains one of the five best jobs in college sports. And I have confidence that the program will return to some prominence. But right now it's obviously lost some luster. Really has.

[Dan Patrick]

How did that happen?

[Scott Fowler]

You know, I think that's a good question. Gradually and then all at once I think it became after Roy left, they have not quite figured out how to sustain it. You know, Hubert Davis had a great first year, and the last four years have been sort of trying to recapture that magic. And the last, these two first round exits in a row. And in today's environment, I don't think this would have happened 20 years ago. I don't think you get fired for something like this. And make no mistake, he was ousted. This was not Hubert, you know, a parting of the ways. This was Hubert wanted to stay. But yeah, I think in today's climate, it's very impatient, you know, a lot of impatience. A lot of donors and boosters with a lot of influence, and that's where we are.

[Dan Patrick]

And you're measured by the school eight miles down the road. And they made a seamless transition from their hall of Fame coach to John Shire. They've come up with incredible recruiting classes here. So having that, the proximity, if I'm a donor, a booster, a collective, I'm only measuring North Carolina. I don't measure North Carolina with anybody else in America, only with Duke. That's a tough comparison, Scott.

[Scott Fowler]

Absolutely. I think you're right on the money there, Dan. He If Duke was in New York or something, you know, it, it doesn't, it's not the same. But because that is the blue blood rivalry to end all rivalries around here and Duke has been so darn good and they're good again and they might win another championship and plus, damn, they're they seem to have employed the best player and employee, literally employ the best player in America. Like now it's been two years in a row with Cooper, Flagg and Boozer and Carolina had one of those players and if Caleb Wilson hadn't gotten hurt, not sure that Hubert Davis would have, this would have happened. But it did. I was at the game in Greenville when they blew the 19 point lead and even then I was in that post game press conference and asked one of those questions too. And oh, it was, it was bad news. One of the, one of the low points of press conferences I've ever seen.

[Dan Patrick]

Let me give you what information I got this morning from a source saying I don't imagine Billy Donovan is in play nor Brad Stevens, Tommy Lloyd at Arizona, Josh Shirts at St. Louis make sense. My source also threw in Michael Malone feels like a super creative, capable option as well. Nate Oates feels like he's not controlling his situation. Todd golden appears to be possessed by spirits when he coaches. What do you, what do you make of that information?

[Scott Fowler]

Well, it's a lot of fun to speculate right now. I can't tell you I know anything about really who, where they're going to go next. Except and I wrote this today in our in my Charlotte observer column. It's got to be outside the family, Dan. They're just no, there is no Roy Williams waiting in the wings inside the Carolina Blue Umbrella. You have to expand and all the people you're talking about are, you know, not in the really in the umbrella, but people always are like, oh, only, you know, I went to unc. I don't need to have a UNC coach, you know, somebody who knows where the old well is. You just need to be able to win and you have to be able to beat Duke and you have to get out of the first of the NCAA tournament every single year.

[Dan Patrick]

Scott Fowler Charlotte observer sports columnist how involved is Michael Jordan in the basketball program?

[Scott Fowler]

I don't think terribly involved. I mean, he can of course step in and and help and be involved anytime he wants to be. But my conversations with Michael, and I've seen a fair amount of him because he's so involved in his NASCAR team right now, he was, you know, he won the big NASCAR trial here in Charlotte in December and now is 14 of six races in NASCAR. I mean, that is, that is where a lot of his focus lies. He wants them to get it right, obviously. But I don't think Michael Jordan is the man behind the curtain pulling the strings here.

[Dan Patrick]

Haven't heard much about Bill Belichick and Carolina football. Is that a good thing?

[Mel Kuiper]

Probably good, yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. They finished okay, didn't they?

[Scott Fowler]

I mean, I guess it wasn't an abject disaster by the end, but they were still about 4 and 8. I think I'm remembering that record. Right, right. You know, the funny thing is they opened spring practice yesterday and then Hubert got fired at night the same very same day. I, they'll probably be a little better. I think Belichick has, is going to learn from some mistakes there, but that's one where I just, I, you know, I just don't know that that's honestly going to work out long term.

[Mel Kuiper]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

I was wondering, what is long term?

[Scott Fowler]

Yeah, I mean, I think he's got one more year for sure, and then probably a third and then it better be right at that point. But if they went to and 10 this year, all bets are off. But if they're 6 and 6, which may be more like what it's going to be, think he gets a third year?

[Dan Patrick]

Is he getting married?

[Scott Fowler]

I don't know, Dan.

[Dan Patrick]

If so, I'm not invited, I mean, either. Thank you, Scott. Thanks for joining us. Great to see you again.

[Scott Fowler]

Great to see you. Thank you.

[Dan Patrick]

That's Scott Fowler, Charlotte observer sports columnist, and of course, my nickname, courtesy of Chris Berman. When I first got espn, was the Charlotte observer still. Incredible that I get there and my boss says, I want you to watch for three months. I go three months. And that's why I'd come in and I'd say, I'm just observing. And then Chris Berman called me the Charlotte Observer. And then I went to my boss after probably two weeks. I said, I don't need to observe anything more. I, I, I'm good right now. All right. Some phone calls here. Ivan in Florida. Ivan, what's on your mind today?

[Caller]

Dan? You guys are not part of the machine, Dan. You guys don't sell out. You guys are the rebels of radio. That's why you guys didn't get nominated. And if you guys were nominated, you guys would not attend the ceremony.

[Dan Patrick]

That's not true. We, we would. It's open bar. Yeah, Ivan. Now, if you had to pay, then we might not go, but open bar, yeah. Don't want to miss that. Kyle in Iowa. Hi, Kyle.

[Caller]

Morning, guys. Thanks for taking my call. First time caller, long time listener. 65245. Just kind of curious with the Hubert Davis news. And obviously nothing has come out except for Twitter rumors or X rumors, whatever social media rumors about possibly the retirement of Bill Self at Kansas. Just kind of curious with what you guys would think. Two blue blood programs who obviously have close connections with, you know, Dean Smith and Roy Williams and stuff like that, if both job opportunities came open at the same time. Just kind of curious what you guys thought would be the better job or the better dream job.

[Dan Patrick]

I think it's a great question. I would say Kansas because it feels like Kansas is not compared to anybody because Carolina is compared to Duke and vice versa. And if you're Carolina right now, you're losing that battle in more ways than one. With Kansas, it's, you're a standalone. They're both great jobs. But Kansas, it feels like you're in the air, you know, in your area. Now, Nebraska and Iowa, you know, are more consistent powers, but Kansas has been there every year, year in and year out.

[Marv Albert]

Yes, Marv, when it comes to college basketball, Kentucky, Kansas and North Carolina, are they the bluest of the blue bloods where they've been consistently a threat for the past 75 years?

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I would think so. Yeah. It's rare. It's a bigger story when they're not competitive than when they are. We're just so used to it. Brian in Milwaukee. Hi, Brian. What's on your mind today?

[Caller]

Hey, guys, my condolences on the not nomination to all of you. You guys are the best. And, you know, being on local television for almost 30 years, I know the lows of not being nominated, but I also know the highs of being nominated and winning. Yes, I have some of those golden statues and they're just sitting on my desk. So I would like to give you one to put in the man cave you can etch out, you know, best weatherman, whatever you can put best radio show, TV show, whatever you want. I would love to send you one for the man cave.

[Dan Patrick]

Brian, that would be great. We'll put you on hold and Tyler will give you the information. I'd be more than happy. Bob Costas gave me a sports Emmy a couple of years ago. He had, I think he had one lying around.

[Paul]

He's his open beer cans.

[Dan Patrick]

He's like, yeah, I got one for you. Said, all right. And then Bob showed up that day. That's still one of those. Wait, Bob's got a Texas longhorn baseball hat on. He's drinking beers with us in the bar. And he surprised me because I, of course, lost another sports Emmy that time. I got nominated and Bob won. Bob goes, you can have it. So I have it here somewhere.

[Paul]

Yeah, Paul, we got. He didn't take that back.

[Dan Patrick]

I didn't let him take it back. It's like when Darius Rucker sent me his Grammy. I kept that for years until somebody from the Grammys voting committee saw it on the show, and they said to Darius, you better get that back or you'll never get another Grammy. And so we had to. We had to overnight the Grammy to Darius. I mean, it was serious because I kept going, oh, come on. There was some terse language directed at Darius. I don't think he's won another Grammy since then. But he got his. His gr. He had it by his. His nightstand. And I said, dude, nobody's seeing that. Let me have your hootie and the blowfish grammy. And he sends it. We were proudly displaying him Carson Palmer. He sent us his Heisman and then wanted it back. Yeah, Paulie.

[Paul]

We're over six at the sports Emmys. We got an email saying if we were a band, like, what would be the band were like, where we didn't win any awards, but we've had a long run. And so I looked up the most Grammy nominations by an artist or band without a win Grammys. Okay, take a guess. Who wants to guess? Modern guy. Very popular.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, wait, is it an artist or a band?

[Paul]

Artist.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, an artist.

[Paul]

I'll give you a couple of hints. Snoop Dogg is second all time. 17 nominations, no wins. Dierks Bentley has 15 nominations. Katy Perry has 13. Diana Ross, 13.

[Dan Patrick]

And no wins.

[Paul]

None.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, this person. Six nominations, no wins.

[Paul]

This person has 18 Grammy nominations and is over.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh,

[Seaton]

has, like, Drake won.

[Paul]

I don't have Drake on my list, so I think he may have.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, Prince.

[Mel Kuiper]

No.

[Paul]

Current active.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, current artist. Okay, current active artist.

[Paul]

Here's the hint. We all saw him.

[Dan Patrick]

Post Malone.

[Paul]

Post Malone. Oh, for 18 ost Malone.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm gonna start tattooing my face. Hey, dude.

[Paul]

Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. Would you do one Seaton. Would you tattoo your face? Would you put a tattoo on your face for a sports Emmy or for sports Emmy?

[Paul]

Sure.

[Dan Patrick]

How about a tattoo of a sports Emmy on your face?

[Seaton]

Right under my eye like a teardrop. People have to get close. What is that right there? It's a sports Emmy. Yeah, yeah, I would do that.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, about. We took what Paul Post Malone once

[Paul]

went over eight in one night.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, that'd be rough. That's tough. That'd be tough.

[Seaton]

Timmy Chalamet, actually, he didn't go for eight. The movie went, I think, over eight.

[Dan Patrick]

Marty supreme didn't win anything.

[Seaton]

I don't think Marty supreme won anything. I think it was nominated for eight. Yeah, that. That number might be off, but he was nominated for several. Many, many. That movie was.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, let me take a break. He is Mel Kuiper, draft expert. I want to see or hear if he agrees with Dan Orlovsky with all of a sudden the love for Ty Simpson. Now, I did warn you that this was going to happen. You had to get another quarterback in there and you're going to get somebody who is going to talk glowingly about a player. Just like they. They build you up, then they bring you down. They're building up Ty Simpson. We still have plenty of time before the draft to bring him back down. But Mel Kuiper, draft expert, joins us next.

[Mel Kuiper]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Mel Kuiper]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Mel Kuiper]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Mel Kuiper]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Todd]

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[Mel Kuiper]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Mel Kuiper]

Well, after this promo, I'm going to take you out and beat you. Let me put this into context.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Mel Kuiper]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Marv Albert]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Seaton]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Paul]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Todd]

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Visit webull.com disclosures more phone calls coming up. I just stumbled onto a country song title. Since we didn't get nominated for a sports Emmy, it's stop whining, start drinking. Sounds like a country song. I should have told that to Darius Rucker. I just got this before we get to Mel Kuiper men's basketball operating revenue for Kansas 21 almost $22 million men's basketball operating revenue for North Carolina almost $40 million men's basketball operating expenses Kansas at almost 20 million Carolina at almost 17 million. So there's a lot of money there because Kansas proud of its basketball team, Carolina proud of its basketball team as well. We make way for Mel Kuiper, draft expert, and you can see him the NFL draft daily and the mock draft dropping on Tuesday, April 14th. Great to see you again, Mel. Give me the the one thing that would make you change your opinion now that no games are played leading up to the draft. But what information changes where you slot somebody in the draft?

[Mel Kuiper]

Dan first well, great to be with you as always. I think the only thing you want to wait on is guys that didn't do much at the combine that what do they do during their pro days? Anything you hear from an interview, anything you hear about an injury late Dan could alter some things. Certainly at this stage of the game, you better know who can play and who can't play. It's all those little things that you could tweak it with. I'm coming up in another week with a top 150. I'll do that every year. And those rankings tell you if you lose some sleepover band at the end of the day, so many players in this draft are within a range where you could go one way or the other, you're always splitting hairs. This is one of those drafts where you know, it's a lot of mixed opinion and there's very few positions where you have tremendous depth in the day three. But wide receiver is one of those. And trying to separate 45 receivers to end and have draftable grades is not easy.

[Dan Patrick]

But what is the one thing though that separates wide receivers?

[Mel Kuiper]

Well, in this particular draft, when you look at the guys that have the production and the consistency, you got to catch the ball. And I understand people say, hey, you always have a couple drops that are concentration drops who catches the football. And you also have to weigh in what was responsible for that. And you look at a Zachariah Branch, who I love, he went to go, he did the gauntlet, he caught the ball at the combine so effortlessly. But say, well, he had a couple of dry. He's a bubble screen guy, he doesn't throw the ball down the field. So it's how you view projecting a college player, Dan, into the NFL. And if you remember back not that long ago, Zay Flowers, Jordan Addison, Jackson Smith and Jigba, who's offensive player of the year, Quentin Johnson, they were all first rounders. There were some experts that, that none of them deserve to be in the first round. So all four turns, three to four turn up be great. So at the end of the day, mixed opinion reigns supreme this year, more than other than any other Dan that I can ever remember because there's so many guys with very similar grades and one little bit of information can swing it one way or the other.

[Dan Patrick]

Is Fernando Manor Mendoza a great story or a great quarterback or both?

[Mel Kuiper]

I think he's both. I think he's a great story. He's a great quarterback. To see him, what he did at Cal, to watch him, and I did

[Scott Fowler]

that the other day.

[Mel Kuiper]

I went back to sacks that he took and it was like 41 sacks at Cal and he goes to Indiana. He knows he has to improve on that. And he did so that that year in college really benefited him from that standpoint. Dan, late in plays, how consistent he was, making the right decision late in the play was outstanding. The way he did under pressure in games they would say, well, they won in some cakewalks, right? They didn't against Penn State. They didn't against Oregon. There were games that were hotly contested. He had to make plays late. Iowa's defense will frustrate the hell out of you, Dan. They really will. Phil Parker does a great job. Look what they did against Dante Moore. Yeah, you think about quarterbacks against Iowa. And again, he did what he had to do. Late in that game. So for me, he answered every question that you had from Cal to Indiana because we had great talent. Well, going to the year, I know Omar Cooper Jr. Could be a first round receiver. Elijah Surratt's a good, probably a third round receiver. You have Roman Hemby, came from Maryland, did a good job run the ball, and Caitlin Black did a good job as well being at one two punch. But for me, Fernando Mendoza, for what he did from start to finish with the pressure and in the playoffs, stand eight touchdown passes, no picks and a rushing touchdown. And he was at 75% in the three biggest games of the year. At the end of the season, if

[Dan Patrick]

you were drafting him on what you saw at Cal, not Indiana, where would Mendoza go?

[Mel Kuiper]

Well, he probably, you know, going into the year, you hoped he would improve. If he would just come out after the Cal year, you probably would have been thinking maybe because of the talent that he had, he showed what he could do at Cal even when he had some situations that weren't benefiting the quarterback that he had to deal with. I'm talking about pressure from the defensive front. He still probably would have been a second round pick, late first round pick. So he was a guy that people thought, I'm on people in the NFL, my friends in the league. Dan thought back in August he could be a guy to keep a close eye. But there were other guys that were. Arch Matting being the number one pick guaranteed. Yeah, you're talking about Sam Levitt coming off that great year at Arizona State, Lenore Sellers at South Carolina. Tons of quarterbacks were talked about a lot more than Ty Simpson from Alabama and certainly Fernando Mendoza from Indiana. And now all of a sudden got Mendoza's number one on my big board, Dan, and Ty Simpson's 25 on my big board.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, that's a big disparity, one to 25. Dan Orlovsky loves him some Ty Simpson. What is Orlopsky seeing that maybe you're not seeing?

[Mel Kuiper]

Yeah, I know Dan, when he explained it and I just went back away, I would counter that you say, okay, you know, the factors that you have to look at closely. You know, who's the bigger quarterback? Four inches, nearly four inches taller, 25 pounds heavier. You think about the experience, Dan. Fifteen starts is a dangerous, risky number for Ty Simpson. Look at the, look at the, you know, the seven, eight quarterbacks that had below 20 starts and look how they fared. Not well. So again, that's a risky number. Fernando has 35 starts, Dan. He had a complete spreadsheet of 72%. Ty was around 64%. Seven rushing touchdowns for Fernando, two for Simpson. So you talk about accuracy, you talk about decision making, you talk about being able to see the field, dealing with pressure. How about expectations? Dan? When you're an Indiana quarterback and you roll through the year and you get to the playoffs, everybody's saying after what happened last year, okay, when Indiana had a great regular season, they lose a Notre Dame, well, let's see if Indiana can finish the job. Now they're playing big time opponents. He did that with all that pressure, then he wins the Heisman, then he has to go win a national title. Right. He always talked about cracking the code and he is obsessed with that. He kind of has that Peyton Manning ability in that regard to just be so into what he's doing and study it so hard. He's got a little Matt Ryan in him. So I think if you look at comps, it would be kind of a Peyton Manning, Matt Ryan comp for Fernando Mendoza. Dan explained it. I don't agree. Everybody has their opinion. I was big on Shador Sanders last year. I thought Shador played well. This year we'll see how it plays out for Ty Simpson. I think with 15 starts, sure, at 60, 15 starts, you need to have a chance to transition to the NFL. Another year at Alabama I think would have helped him. He had five straight games, Dan, where he had a fumble lost and then he had another fumble loss, which was a six against Indiana in the playoff game when he got hit by d' Angelo Pons and cracked that rib. So there was. That's an area he could have improved upon. He gets sacked, you cough it up. Can't do that in the NFL where you're expected, then the NFL and you guys know what you talk about every week guy has a bad game, what happened? He's not playing well. You are scrutinized, you are picked apart and you're expected to play at a consistently high level every week in the NFL. And you don't get a free pass because you're a rookie or a second year quarterback in this league. They will chew you up and spit you out before you can blink. You better be prepared to deal with that mental part as opposed to the physical part. Mendoza went back, got another year improved in that key area. Ty Simpson, I think needed another year. He's not going to get it. So you better be patient with Ty Simpson and realize to force him in this year as a rookie. And they all do, Dan. They are going to play maybe Asking

[Dan Patrick]

a little too much if Arch Manning was available in this draft.

[Mel Kuiper]

You know, that's a tough question. That's a very difficult question because of what you expect Arch to be this coming year based on the talent, the way he can run. But he's got to improve that accuracy and the decision, all the things that another year is going to be. I was so happy. That's why I never put him on the one, the big board. Dan, I never put him in anything because I said he's got to go back. Archie said that back in August. Don't put him in it. He needs another year. So the expectations and the struggles back. Remember early in the year, everybody was building up to be the trifecta. Dan, he was going to win a Heisman Trophy, he was going to be the number one pick in the draft and he was going to lead the Texas to a national title. Are you kidding me? Really? That's what you're going to put on his shoulders? And he didn't accomplish that. So again, now he's going back. So had it gone the way it expected? He been clear cut? Number one Guy, Dan throwing talent, but he didn't have that kind of year. It was uneven. Started out pretty bad and then it got better. And you saw glimpses of Guy, he's going to be the guaranteed number one pick this coming year. But to say, you know, assume that was going to happen, it didn't happen. It didn't come together. So he'd have been right there with Mendoza and I think that's minimizing how good Fernando is. Dan, when you say automatically put Arch ahead of Mendoza, it's not a force. He's not up there because he's a quarterback and the Raiders have to take a quarterback. Mendoza's there because he earned it and he's got a lot of talent. And when you got comps, the Peyton Manning and Matt Ryan, that tells you all you need to know.

[Dan Patrick]

Mel Kuiper, draft expert. You can catch his NFL Mock Draft 4.0 dropping on Tuesday, April 14th. I fell in love with Jeremiah Love when I saw him in person. And I know, I think you have him as your second highest rated player behind Mendoza. I know that the philosophy is don't take a running back up that high, but I have somebody who is unique and different than anybody else. It feels like in the draft, I just don't, I don't understand that, that if I'm Tennessee, I mean, I gotta have that guy. I can't go, oh, I got to worry about a Second contract the NFL was about. Now in the next two years, it feels like with these guys and coaches. So why wouldn't he go? Well, how high do you think Jeremiah Love will go and should go?

[Mel Kuiper]

Dan, you know who's responsible for that philosophy? I am. Right. That was the philosophy that started 25 years ago. And I got screamed at, screamed at, yelled at, told all kind of stuff. And I really believe that back in those days, you could. I'll kind of come around. Not come around, but I'm agreeing with you on this point. He's more than a running back. If he were not a great receiving option, I'd be saying, no, no, he's not multidimensional enough. But as a receiving option, I'm talking about swing passes, screen passes, Dan checkdowns. I'm talking about put him out in the slot, put him wide. He can do that. So for me, because he's so more than just a running back, he is worthy of being the second pick, third pick to Arizona, fourth pick to Tennessee, seventh pick to Washington, wherever it may be. So for me, yes, Christian McCaffrey, say for Washington, came there, you know, came to the 49ers, right. And look what he's done for the Niners. Christian McCaffrey, who was the GM. Adam Peters. Adam Peters is at Washington. Adam Peters has some serviceable backs, but he doesn't have a Jeremiah Love for Jaden Daniels, who's a fear factor quarterback. You put a fear factor player, weapon like Jeremiah Love with Jaden Daniels, you got something special going on there and so much for defenses to worry about. So I'm with you on Jeremiah Love. He's the second best player in the draft behind Mendoza. For me, something. But he's the best player in this draft. So again, he's more than worthy of being a top four. Certainly if he gets down to seven, it would be almost. You know how long you have to wait for Washington to take that card up? Because that would make perfect sense for them.

[Dan Patrick]

NFL hall of Fame contributors to the game. I keep talking about you. I never reached out to you, but I felt this strongly about Brent Musburger and went to the hall of Fame and wrote a letter. You should be in the hall of Fame one day as a contributor to the game.

[Mel Kuiper]

I appreciate that, Dan, and I know Adam's mentioned. I do. I appreciate that you've been great friends for all these years, but I just feel like I don't want a part of anything. I just want to do what I do. Joe Bushbound was there before Me, Joel was great. Late, great. Joel Bushbow started this a long time ago. There are plenty of other people doing this before me. I just got an opportunity from ESPN to take it to the entire world and be somebody that was talking about the draft on television, radio, and then the dot com and all the different entities we do it on. So it is something that, you know, I will say, Stan, the one thing I did get right was how popular the draft would be when everybody was fighting against espn. Don't televise it. Nobody wants to hear names called. Everybody was fighting against me. Why is anybody watching the draft? Why does anybody care what Kuyper says? I dealt with that hostility, negativity and hate up until really the early 2000s, Dan, when even the haters had to just shut up or jump on board because they hated on me. I started this in 1978. 79, Dan. And to be able to. I just say, only thing I did was I survived the hate. Because if I read you the scathing articles and the comments that were made from Roy 79 up until 2000, it would say, how did you last that long? I took a lot of hits in the pocket, Dan. I appreciate it. Appreciate that, pal. I certainly. I would rather avoid anything that comes my way from an individual stand because too many people at ESPN along the way contributed to what the draft has become. To say, I'm responsible now. It's the NFL, the king of all sports, and ESPN doing what they did from the get go, recognizing what this could be and having that vision and then the production and all the blood, sweat and tears that went on to putting this on television. Those guys, all guys and gals, those men and women deserve all the credit.

[Dan Patrick]

Like an acceptance speech right there. I mean, that's like, I'm.

[Mel Kuiper]

Don't do this to me, Dan.

[Dan Patrick]

But I. Okay, I. I wrote a letter about John Fenda. I said he should be in the hall of Fame. And the number of people said, he's not in the hall of Fame. And the hall of Fame, to their credit, found a way to get John Fenda.

[Mel Kuiper]

Oh, my gosh, that voice. Are you kidding me, Dan?

[Dan Patrick]

In the hall of Fame. That's. He might be. When you talk about contributors, all those NFL films, everything that we saw, I mean. I mean, they were magical growing up. And I just thought voices, Dan.

[Mel Kuiper]

Yes, voices led us. Led me to become. I said this to Bill Fleming. You know, Bill Fleming, the great Bill Fleming, when I talk, I called him specifically to tell him that. That he. The college football today, that half an Hour show where you saw games before Brent, before NFL today, right? It's a half hour before seeing the bands and half the. That's what led me and led a lot of people to becoming college football fans, right? And NFL fans and Howard Cosell and Monday night Football and Don Meredith way up. Turn out the lights. And all the voices of college football and the NFL. Chris Schenkel. You think about Bud Wilkinson. By the way, I took over for Bud doing the draft when Bud Wilkinson retired, I took over that spot, right? And you think about, they say, Lindsay Nelson and all the incredible, incredible voices, Keith Jackson that were responsible for us all becoming great college and pro football fans that we are. So you're right. John Fasenza, nobody had that voice. Nobody will ever touch that.

[Dan Patrick]

Thanks again. Continue to have the passion. That's the one thing that leaves us, I think as we get older, the passion. And you're as passionate as you were when I first met you, when I first got to the mothership. So thank you again for doing what you do. Mel.

[Mel Kuiper]

Well, in the passion dwindles, Dan, I will walk away, pal. I guarantee you that.

[Dan Patrick]

Mel Kuiper, draft expert. His next draft will be on April 14, Tuesday, April 14. Yeah, we pushed hard to get Brent Musburger in there and John Fasenda. McLovin helped me write a letter on behalf of John Fasenda. Jim Nance helped out with Brent Musburger. But you know what Meld has done? When you look at the big business of mock drafts, the draft itself, I mean, three day festival, you know, and Mel has been front and center and passionate. That's what I love. He cares. He cares. And, and you know what, when you bring up a name and, and sometimes we would do this just to mess with him. We would bring up like fourth receiver from Oregon State and they go, dan, you know, and then he would start to break down, this guy. And you realized this is all he does. We'll take a break. Last call for phone calls. What we learned, what's in store tomorrow. Fox Sports radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our [e-mail] and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. All right, guys, two words for you. Prostate exam. Yeah, you just clenched up a little bit. Are you imagining the finger right now? Yeah. Relax. Prostate cancer screening starts with a simple finger free blood test. Around one in eight men in the United States will be diagnosed with prostate cancer in their lifetime. But that's no reason to re clench when caught early at localized or even regional stages, prostate cancer can have over a 99% five year relative survival rate. Did your tight end just relax? Good. If you're over 40, 40 or older and have a prostate visit, relax. It's a blood test.com you'll find out if a PSA blood test is right for you. The PSA blood test can be the first step in screening. Talk to your doctor to evaluate your risk, determine when to get tested and discuss screening options and the next steps. Sponsored by Novartis. It's only natural you see these golfers mistaken the true green lawns for an actual golf course. Have you noticed that?

[Marv Albert]

Come on.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Seaton]

So you're saying we could host a tournament out back?

[Dan Patrick]

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[Paul]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Todd]

I'll play, but I'm not mowing.

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[Caller]

Hey, guys. So I'm all in on this Emmy thing. I'm team Dan Patrick show but I just wonder if we're doing everything we can because you know my other teams cheat. LSU and Clippers. Can't. We can't. You'll meet someone on the tarmac or get a no show tree job. Are we doing everything we can? That's what I want to know.

[Dan Patrick]

All right. Well, thank you, Tony. We'll see what we can do. Maybe somebody can infiltrate the Emmy committee. Nominating committee shuffles in Phoenix is back high shuffles.

[Caller]

Good morning, Daniel. Pat Patrick and I just got to say that look Clint Eastwood, Americana icon. Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee, Walter Payton. You guys are in that category. You don't need the Emmys. You need to come up with your own award show called the Dan Eddies.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you. Shovels. The Dan Eddies. All right. Could hand out some hardware here. Yeah. Seaton.

[Seaton]

We don't need it.

[Dan Patrick]

No one want it.

[Seaton]

Definitely want it.

[Dan Patrick]

Lucas in Texas. Hi, Luke. Welcome back.

[Caller]

Hey, Dan. Good morning.

[Dan Patrick]

Good Morning.

[Caller]

You know, I know we're up close to the end, but real quick, I want to follow up on the discussion about mj, especially with younger college kids. I teach college freshmen and it's going to shock you. But they start, they're starting to talk about MJ the way you guys talk about Bob Cousy. And I have two theories why. It's almost like there's this disconnect. Number one, social media. MJ was the original human highlight, but there are flashier highlights of longer shots, bigger dunks, things like that. I think that that is one of the ways that people see him as a little bit more outdated. And second, this is my, my thesis. I think that Kobe is actually going to have a longer term legacy because this is not a. It's weird to say that this is a benefit, but because he died shortly after his career, he is forever sealed as a pure basketball player. The Mamba mentality. I think that there's going to be something to the fact that he was just a great player that's going to seal people's mind of like, that was a top five, a top three player. You know, that. That's kind of my thesis at that point.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, Luke. He makes some really good points there. Yes, Mark.

[Marv Albert]

I also think just because Michael Jordan calls or he tries to close a deal doesn't mean that it's a, you know, foregone conclusion that they're going to sign with North Carolina because it's got to be a money thing too. Okay, great.

[Dan Patrick]

Michael Jordan called, but he can help on both of those. Correct. Help with money. And it's Michael Jordan saying, hey, I'm going to personally guarantee $3 million for you to come to North Carolina.

[Marv Albert]

They rather have Michael Jordan's money than Michael Jordan's phone call.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, but you can have both. Why wouldn't you take advantage of that? I just don't know if Mike wants to be involved in that. I mean, it's, it's still murky waters of you're going to give somebody money and then how long are they going to be there? Until we get that year to year contracts, buyouts with players. And you know, we, we still have some ways to go here, but I know if Carolina can get Mike involved. David in Chicago. Hi, David.

[Caller]

Hey, guys. How you doing? You had Chuck on the other day and he mentioned the steam room. So I'm kind of late to the party on that podcast, but I love it. But I want to say I'm not late to the podcast and the podcast is great. I love it. Todd, you lost me with that passing lane thing. I was really hot.

[Mel Kuiper]

I was.

[Caller]

One of the guys was really hot about that passing lane stuff. But you got me back with the podcast. I think it's great. It's like, yeah, I love your honesty. It's like sitting in a bar listening to you have a conversation. So don't let them keep you down. That podcast is a money maker and I think you got a real chance at making some money.

[Dan Patrick]

It's not. It's not a money maker, but nobody's keeping him down. That's why we gave him the Todd cast. And. And it's every Thursday. Dylan is the. The host. Yes. Todd. No.

[Todd]

I appreciate the compliment. And we're just having a great time and just kind of keeping it loose. Not too loose. We were gonna get in trouble. But it's nice to have that springboard

[Dan Patrick]

this day in sports history.

[Paul]

Paul 1982, Wayne Gretzky became the first NHL player to score 200 points in a season. And he wasn't done. And of course this one. Locally, Hartford Whalers announced they're moving from Connecticut following the 97 season to Carolina.

[Dan Patrick]

Let's see on this date, 1973, the 76ers lost to the Pistons. They finished the season with nine wins. Nine. They had a 20 game losing streak. They finished the year on a 13 game losing streak. Nine wins, nine wins. Todd, what'd you learn today?

[Todd]

Kyle and Iowa interestingly wonders which is a better job right now if both were available, Kansas or Unc Seaton, what'd you learn today?

[Dan Patrick]

Breakfast.

[Seaton]

Breakfast burritos help you feel better.

[Dan Patrick]

Loseritos.

[Marv Albert]

Marvin, you're gonna learn Spanish.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Paul]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Todd]

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[Seaton]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Seaton]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Seaton]

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[Dan Patrick]

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