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Trevor Sikima, he is the lead analyst for Pro Football Focus and you have a strong opinion on Shador Sanders as well. Trevor, good to have you back. Where do you stand on Shador Sanders? Yeah, appreciate it Dan. First off, 5 11, 178 and 7, 8 inch hand size, although that is with no hand massaging going on. So I feel like if we get a couple of weeks with that technique, I can hit that Joe Burrow 9 inch threshold. So I just want to say that first and foremost, you know what Shador Sanders, the fact of the matter is is I had him slipping out of my post combine mock draft that I did over@pff.com and the reason why is because I could not find anybody that spoke with conviction with Shador Sanders being QB1, taken in the top 10 or even as a first round quarterback. So to me when I hear that, and I line that up with a lot of people were talking about Cam Ward as somebody that you take that chance on. I feel like it's a one quarterback race at this point. Now when I watch Shador, he plays a very clean brand of football. He understands the position very, very well. You could tell that he's been raised around the game. He understands how to read defenses, go through progressions, all of that, operate the pocket, make make protection calls. He knows how to play quarterback. The reason why I'm a little bit lower on him, I gave him a late second, early third round grade is simply because I don't know if he's got that crazy arm talent to be able to compete against the Lamar Jacksons, the Josh Allens, the Patrick Mahomes, guys like that. That the reason why you would draft a quarterback isn't in the top 10 isn't just because hey, let's take one just because we need one. It's because you want to win a Super Bowl. You're taking a guy that high because you believe he can beat win a Super Bowl. Does Shador have the overall arm talent to match up against those guys? I don't think so. And I think as we are getting, you know, more into draft season and the combine is a really good barometer for this, you get sort of caught up on what the league might have been thinking about these players really all along. And I think that we Talked about a 2QB race because there's so many quarterback needy teams in the top 10. But it just feels like teams are much more gravitating towards Cam Ward worthy of a top selection and Shador maybe something more on day two or the late first round. But how much of this is the last name that if this is just, you know, Shador Smith and not Shador Sanders, you know, does his draft status stock change at all in your mind? I would say that it would probably be the Other way around. You know, when you look at Shador and I understand how well he played over the last couple of years and everything that he was able to do at Jackson State and then also at Colorado, I think again, he plays a very clean brand of football, but does he have those NFL level traits that, that you want as a franchise caliber quarterback? Because he lacks the overall mobility and again, I think that he's got a mid tier NFL level arm strength, but it's, it's nothing that's really special. So I wonder if it's the opposite DP and I wonder if it's the fact that, hey, we've been talking about Shador in the top 10, in the top five because of sort of who he is and the notoriety that he has instead of the other way around like we're seeing now where it's like, oh, well, does the NFL not like him, you know, because of his last name? And some people call it baggage. I agree with Shador when he said at the Shrine bowl, he's like, I didn't know that having a supportive parent was all of a sudden a bad thing. You know, like, I totally agree with him when he says that. And so I think it's much more of maybe the notoriety and him being in the public eye and us saying like, hey, if you need a quarterback, he's a quarterback in this class. And now we're just sort of catching up to it. Feels like the NFL saying, eh, maybe not quite in the top 10, maybe something a little bit further down the line. And he's going to get a lot of attention because he's Deion's son. And then there's Cam Ward, who is appears to be by far and away the number one quarterback in the draft. Let's nitpick because that's what we start to do this time of the year. Trevor Nitpick. Cam Ward. Well, I think that, you know, Joe Shane, the general manager of the new, the New York Giants, who they very much need a quarterback as well. You know, he was asked specifically about Cam Moore when he was at his podium session at the combine. And you know, he said, you know, hey, you watch that Cal game and that Virginia Tech game. Those are two games where at the end of it, when the clock hits zero, Cam Ward, what a hero, incredible comeback. But then he goes. The reason why they needed to come back is also because of him a little bit. So it is a little bit of that hot and cold there. And so there's no doubt, I mean like, you don't need to even necessarily call it nitpicking to talk about what is the total product of Cam Ward. He's somebody who is just very unorthodox. And how he looks back there in the pocket. I mean, there are times when the feet just stop moving completely and you go, did you freeze? Like, do we need to, you know, unplug you and reset you here before you get rid of the ball? And, like, that's just sometimes what it looks like for Cam Ward. And so his style, you know, how he releases the football, the decisions of when to push the ball down the field, all of that, it's a little bit Boomer bust, You know, it's a little bit of like, can you stomach this? But the reason why I do and the reason why he's my QB one is because I firmly believe that in a game where the margins are so small, every quarterback in the NFL has about two to four throws that they have to make every single week to win in this league. Cam, no, not only, in my opinion, has the arm talent to do so, but he has the mentality to do so. He will willingly attack those throws and take those chances. So it's a lot of that. Hey, there's a lot of good, a lot of bad. You want to try to raise the floor with them. But, yeah, I mean, we don't even necessarily have to call it nitpicking. This is sort of a risky quarterback class here, including with Ward. Trevor Sikma, the Pro Football Focus lead draft analyst, joining us on the program. If you looked at Sam Darnold's profile now, compared to when he was coming into the NFL, how much has it changed with Pro Football Focus looking at him? No, it's a lot. It's a lot of dealing with pressure, honestly. You know, what he was able to do at usc, I think that that sort of shows that, you know, when you're in a really good college environment, sometimes that mask things. Right. We saw that with Zach Wilson as. As well, where at byu he's playing behind one of the best offensive lines in the country. And then he gets to the New York jets, both of those guys, ironically, and it's just a different story. You're playing with a lot of pressure. You know, there's the phrase that everybody likes to, you know, continue to bring up with Sam Darnold where he felt like he was seeing ghosts. And it just. It took him a while to get to this point where he's now confident enough to not see ghosts anymore, to really be able to Play under pressure the way that he needs to. Now I know those last two games of the sort of brought back some of those doubts from him. But you know, pff. It was really that passing grade under pressure that was, that was such a, a sticking point with him when he was with the jets and how different it was under Kevin oconnell and in that system. Now did oconnell do a nice job of making it maybe easier for him? Of course. But that manifests itself in confidence. And that's the most important thing for every player making the jump from college to the NFL. When can you expect that confidence? And I think that's a big part of when teams do these player interviews and when they get these guys in for these private workouts, it's simply determining because they've watched the tape, they know the scouting reports. It's simply determining, are you a confident football player? Can you hit the ground running and still bring all of your talent to the floor here when you get here in the NFL? And for Sam, that wasn't the case early on, but sometimes it takes a little bit of development from these guys. How many running backs have first round greats at Pro Football Focus? So I would say two of them have first round grades in Ashen, Genti and Omari and Hampton. But I could see after the combine that Queen Sean Judkins had from Ohio State, I think he is in that category. You know Caleb Johnson, I know a lot of people love him from Iowa. I think that he is in that category. The running back that I am the most confused with is, did we just forget what Cam Scatterbo did at Arizona State over this past year? Like I understand he's not going to run the, the fastest 40 yard dash, but even at the combine the one thing he did was the vertical jump and it was 39 and a half inches. That is well above expectation and showcases that explosiveness. I mean we even saw in the College Football Playoff, he's rushing for touchdowns, he's catching touchdowns, he's throwing for touchdowns. This is a football player, man. And, and from the running back position, I think that we just, we sometimes focus on the wrong things. How often do you really have the chance to be a quote unquote home run hitter at the running back position? How many times do you get the chance to run a 40, 50, 60 yard gain to the house? Doesn't happen at the NFL level. Give me the guys that will turn a three yard carry into a four and a half yard carry on a regular basis with that yards after contact in that style. So I don't think the Cam Scatterbo is going to go in round one, but that's another player that we're going to get. A lot of these running backs that go on the fringe early parts of round two. I mentioned Caleb Johnson, Scatter Boo. I think that Travion Henderson is in there as well. A couple of guys who had good combines and D.J. giddens and R.J. harvey might get there in the back of the second round. So I would tell you we're Getting at least 2, at least ash and Genti and Omari and Hampton are getting in the first round, but could very well have that third if it's Quin. Sean Jumpins, great to talk to you as always. Trevor, thanks for joining us. Appreciate it. DP anytime. That's Trevor Sikma, the lead draft analyst for Pro Football Focus. All right, so those are two guys, well respected guys in the industry and both saying the same thing. Shador Sanders might not be a first round town. This has just started. It feels like now he didn't do anything at the combine other than do interviews. But now all of a sudden and it feels like there's this groundswell consensus that Shador Sanders is overrated. I want to see what happens on his pro day now. I don't put too much stock in it and I'll go back to what I've said. I'm not rewriting history. I loved what I saw with him at Colorado, but he is not a playmaker. You know, the way we look at Josh Allen, I mean, Joe Burrow is more of a playmaker. Justin Herbert more of a playmaker. He's not a playmaker. He's not big, he's not fast, he's tough. But I don't know, you know, can that translate to a 6 foot 1 quarterback who doesn't extend plays the way you would want your quarterback in today's game to be able to extend? So whoever was ranking him before, I don't know what they were factoring in or not factoring in. Cam Ward, I get it. Everybody talks about how strong his arm is. I get that. Is that enough in this draft? It will be because he's going to go probably in the top three. Normally he wouldn't. Yeah. Paul, any chance this is the opposite. What's being talked about, that these NFL teams are feigning disinterest in Shador Sanders in hopes that he drops. If you're the Las Vegas Raiders, you walk around the combine saying, yeah, he's not on our radar. Okay, but does Pete Carroll want a rookie quarterback? I think let's just look at team by team. Yeah. If Pete Carroll wants a veteran quarterback, you don't want to take a quarterback. You want to get the right quarterback. You don't want to go, hey, we. We need a quarterback. Let's take Shador Sanders, seventh overall. The Giants, that coaching staff needs to win now or they're going to get fired. Well, Aaron Rodgers gives you a better chance than Shador Sanders and probably Cam Ward does right now. Tennessee. If I'm Tennessee, I trade down. You don't. You need a quarterback. But let's get somebody who is going to be a great player for you, like Abdul Carter. You want Travis Hunter, somebody you know is going to be great. Yes, Mark. But Pete Carroll had rookie Russell Wilson, so maybe if he thinks Shador Sanders would fit in his system, maybe he'll go with him. But he had a top five defense. He just needed a quarterback who could be a little more athletic than Matt Flynn. You know, the bar wasn't set too high there, and Russ turned out to be a whole lot better than, you know, Pete probably even thought. And he. I wouldn't put, you know, out of the equation of bringing in Russell Wilson to Vegas. I think. I think Pete and Russ have mended their fences there. I think that relationship was bad in Seattle, and, you know, my source said that it was going to be one or the other had to go. And of course, Russell lost that one. Yeah. Paulie Martin. I were just saying, who's the least Vegas quarterback in the NFL? Russell Wilson, Kirk Cousins. Oh, one scene. Yes. Kirk Cousins. Yes. Wilson's super Vegas. Yes. Oh, yeah. Well, his wife will make him super Vegas. Remember, man, we saw him in Miami. He's got the hair, he's got the chains, he's got the shades of velour shirt. He's modern day Vegas. I thought he was trying to channel John Stamos when we saw him in Miami with his hair and like, he was. He's like, damn, what's going on, Russ? And I was like, that's a makeover with your wife. Sierra's got that written all over. Yeah, Paulie. I still think, though, teams like the New York Giants and Jackson, not Jacksonville, the Raiders, the jets, the Saints, they're probably all playing it if they don't aren't interested in that quarterback because there's not a lot to choose from. Remember years ago, the Jacksonville Jaguars, they didn't even interview Blake Bortles, and they acted like they Weren't interested and they just took them now, it worked out for a little bit, but these teams have deeper strategies sometimes. Yeah. But if. Once again, they're looking at Shador Sanders and they're assessing what is real. He's not athletic. High in the face. Bet he's 6 1. Oh, wait, what's the. Well, no teams are going to be stupid. I mean, somebody will be like, she's right there. Well, we're going to take him. So what would be the over, under for where he's drafted? If I give you five and a half. Five and a half. Over, under, Pie to the face. Would you take pie to the face? Under five and a half for sure. Does anybody want a piece of Paulie for piece of pie? Shador Sanders goes in the top five. Anybody want a piece of that? Could be a trade. Somebody trades crickets on the other side. Wow. Crickets on the other side. If we would have done this bet. You know what, Paulie? I'll take. I'll take you up on it. If we did this bet two weeks ago. Yeah. Everybody would have said he's in the top five. Yes. Yes. So you got Shador Sanders fifth or higher. Yeah. The over. Under five and a half. The bet is who has. He will go within the first five. Paulie has Shador going top five. So the over. Under five and a half. If I made you guys bet on it, what would you take? I would take the six plus six over. Yeah. Yeah, I could. I could talk myself into jumping in on that. Marvin, what about you? Yeah, I could, too. All right. Paul Fritzi. Yeah. Six plus. Yeah. All right. I like it. Good times. Yeah. Well, we. We have to have one of these bets every draft. What was the one we had last year? Was it didn't. Didn't. Wasn't there a bet? Top 15 pick or. Dang. Kenny Pickett, I think was a few years ago that we did that one. Yeah, Paulie, we definitely did. Number of quarterbacks in round one. Last year. I think we had four and a half or five and a half. Oh, man. Checking. Okay. All right, let me take a break here. Let me take a break. We get more phone calls coming up. Back after this Dan Patrick show. Fox sports radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Hey, it's Steve Covino. And I'm Rich Davis. And together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio and of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything. 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Listen to the official Yellowstone podcast Now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's go to work. All right. The eagles cut Darius Slay and it's one of those where you go wow. But then you realize he's 34. He wants to play one more year. They have a really young secondary and he gets paid a lot of money. He became expendable. Recapping the Kyrie Irving news. He's out for the rest of the year. Torn acl. This according to ESPN final hour poll question Seaton. Did you put up something for the third hour? Yeah, we got one here to update you on. Being franchise tagged is a blank, blank, blank. Positive or negative? Being franchise tagged is a positive or negative? I would say a negative. Unless I'm Kirk Cousins and I get tagged and then I get tagged and then I get to sign a guaranteed contract after that. It certainly worked out well for him. I don't think T. Higgins is thrilled that he got tagged by the Cincinnati Bengals again. He wants to. Yes, he wants to get a, a long term deal. And now you hire Jamar Chase's agent. So maybe you kind of go in there and you go, let me negotiate for both of my clients here. But Jamar Chase is going to get paid. Justin Jefferson, the highest paid wide receiver, I believe I. If I'm Jamar Chase now you're going, you're going in and trying to negotiate with the Bengals, historically cheap. I'm asking for something that begins with a four. And you could say, I, I got you to the super bowl and if the line had blocked Aaron Donald, I might have won you the Super Bowl. He's probably going to ask for that. And look, T. Higgins got paid a lot. Like, I think it's around 26, 27 million for the tag. That's one year. See, that's the problem. You know, you're. You want guaranteed money. And if you're a wide receiver, you know, just like a running back, your days are numbered. Staying healthy, you want to get, as the kids say, the bag. T. Higgins didn't get it. So I would say not. Not a compliment. Yes, Marvin, you know, I think it's all right because, look, you get a big bag for this year, but I know you want long term, but if you're a Le'Veon Bell, would you have played that season? Yes, yes. But that's, it's a good thing because you never get that money back. No, he never got that money back and he had to go play for the Jets. Yes, yes, you tried to prove a point and it didn't work out well there. All right, a couple of phone calls in here. Let's see. How about Tracy in Georgia? Hi, Trace. What's on your mind? Good morning, gentlemen. And Fritzi, when you're Having the discussion about the most arrogant quarterbacks of all time, you're really leaving off one of the. One of the worst, in my opinion. This guy. A couple stats, see if we can't get a blue blue. This guy signed highest rookie contract. He threw 46 interceptions on his way to 41 touchdowns, lost 35 of his first 49 games. And that ineptitude was only surpassed by his ability to be a grade A number one, A hole. Any guesses, Paulie? I think I have this. Jeff George. Bloop. Bloop. All right, congratulations. Paulie knows a holes. Jeff George. Congratulations, Jeff George. I could throw a great deep ball. That's, that's the only. Whatever you say, Jeff George. They always go, man, he can throw the deep ball. One of the prettier balls. Jeff George. Yeah. Yeah. Lucas in Texas. Hi, Luke. What's on your mind? Dan, Good morning. Good morning. I want to talk real quick about Shador Sanders, but I've got to compliment Eduardo from a couple of hours ago in a show that celebrates left turns. I have not really heard of one that made me stop and laugh harder than someone with a deep voice like Paul Harvey. Like someone called earlier Paul Harvey talking about various stadia of South America. Anyways, I'd like to talk, I'm here to talk about Shador Sanders. Like, oh my gosh, it was an all timer. It was like to be celebrated. But yeah, I mean, my two cents on it is I agree with Peter King. This is all a smoke show in a league in a professional environment that almost thrives on arrogance. Like, I mean, what 22 year old thinks that they could take over an NFL team and not be a little bit arrogant? It feels like someone is just waiting to try to get a little maneuvering place. And I agree. I think the Raiders are great spot. Brady was famously cocky, arrogant, however you want to phrase it. And that's always been the brand of the Raiders. I, this feels like a play more than anything else. I, I'd be. I, I lean more with Peter King than the other two guests you guys have had. I think he's right on the ball with it. Okay. But you know, keep this in mind. This is one coach who labeled Shador Sanders arrogant and brash. These are two analysts who are looking at Shador Sanders not as arrogant or brash, just his talent. So there's a big difference here if it's a smokescreen, kind of a fake smear campaign. Okay, that's one thing. These are analysts who are looking him as a football player, not his Personality they're talking about. He's only 6:1. He's not a great athlete. Does he have a big time arm? So those are football questions. This isn't personality questions. Yes. It's not exactly breaking news or a hot take too, to say either that just based on my own lived experience, there is a sizable percentage of children who grow up with wealthy parents that are arrogant. I, I don't know if people were aware of this or not, but most wealthy kids or kids who come from wealthy parents, by and large, floor fair to be a certain degree of arrogant. I, I don't like this personality trait, if you want to call it. Doesn't bother me because I have a friend. The first time I met him, this is 15 years ago, he told me his IQ, it was 162. And, and I said to him, if you're that smart, shouldn't I have been able to figure out that you're that smart? Why did you have to tell me? But he is extremely arrogant, cocky, confident, but he doesn't want to be wrong. So Shador Sanders might be arrogant, might be cocky, but he, he does, he's not going to let himself be embarrassed. He's, he's going to be great, or at least that's his mindset. You want to be great. You don't want to put yourself out there and have somebody go, oh, you're supposed to be great or you're supposed to be smart. There's people who are like that that they still, you may not like their personality, but that's who they are and they don't want to be wrong. Shador Sanders, he's got money, nil. Came from money with his father. Maybe he's going in with, you know, an entitled, you know, kind of Persona. I understand it, but that, you know, if you're arrogant or brash or cocky or whatever, let me see how you play. Because they. I don't care what you say, I care how you play. Yeah, Paul, if you play well, your personality is a positive. If you play poorly, it's a negative. Jay Cutler was kind of lethargic and disinterested, but, but when he played well, he wasn't. And then when he started playing poorly for the Bears, he was that. If you look at Joe Montana, you met Joe, he seems casual, not fired up. Rah rah. But nobody ever said anything about his demeanor. His demeanor was cool because he won. Rob in Orlando. Hi, Rob, what's on your mind? Hey, Dan, good afternoon. Good chat with you guys. Again, multi time caller, long time listener 5, 11, 206. Yeah, I don't want to overachieve or underachieve. I just want to be average on the shit. First Andrews thing you guys are talking about, you know, and hear draft analysts talk about his skill set. He might be the sixth, seventh pick last year in the draft. Six, seventh quarterback come out of the draft last year. And I think that's really the road. So combine that with the side that's going to be potentially him and his father. I think teams that are, like, borderline on them are going to want to deal with that. It might be, you know, they may find out that Shador doesn't want to go to the Cleveland Browns. Maybe the Cleveland Browns don't want Shador. And I think what happened is we got caught up in, oh, Deion's going to steer him where he wants to and, you know, is he going to want to go to the Tennessee Titans or the jets or. They may not want him for all we know. But Dion, when he joined me at the super bowl, said he's already reached out to some teams to talk to them. Now, I don't know if it's, you better take him or you better not take him, but he's already started that process. He may just be overrated because he should door Sanders. And we saw him, he was at Colorado. I just know what I saw on the field. He's a good quarterback, tough quarterback. But once again, we're talking. There's a lot of really good quarterbacks in college. There's only a few really, really good quarterbacks in the NFL. Is he capable of being that kind of quarterback? Is he a Teddy Bridgewater, which is not a bad career, but not a franchise quarterback? Similar skill set. Probably not a big guy, not particularly elusive, but stayed, you know, Jacoby Brissette? I mean, I don't know any six, one two or six, one and a half. Okay, that's a knock as well. But I think in today's NFL, they're probably looking. You know, it used to be these cookie cutters. You had to be 6, 4, 6, 5. You had to have a big arm. You had to be strong in the pocket. Those days are long gone. I mean, Matthew Stafford is a dinosaur. Even Jared Goff and Josh Allen is that size. But he has that the athleticism of any other quarterback except for Lamar, you know, Kyler we're still not sure about. Russ we're still not sure about after all these years. We were and then we weren't. Now, I don't know where we are with it. But, you know, looking for your quarterback, you know, the size, arm strength. Can you. Can you extend a play? Can you get a for Patrick Mahomes was not known as a great athlete at Texas Tech. People, I don't know if I ever read anything where they go, man, that guy can run. It was. He can throw the ball. And then what's, you know, one of his great attributes is extending a play, running. Every one of these quarterbacks, you need it. I don't care if it's Gino Smith, Trevor Lawrence, at some point, you need your quarterback to extend a play or beat you with his legs. And that's not something Shador does. Can you say where he's going to stay in the pocket. I mean, he may be a Geno Smith kind of quarterback, which nothing wrong with that. Geno starting and, you know, really resuscitated his career. I just don't know if Shador is a. A great quarterback maybe good, but is that good enough? Let's see. James in Salt Lake. Hi, James. What's on your mind? Hey, Dan. How you doing, brother? How you been? Great, James. Good, man. I'm glad, man. I love your show. I love your vibe. I love what y'all do, man. Thank you for that. Just real quick, man. I know y'all haven't said much about the Tank Davis fight, but is this guy with the wwe, the ref? I mean, this guy got to talk to his mom. He was looking for Floyd and then he didn't get a count. This would have been a perfect time for John Cena to come out and go rogue. I can't believe it, Dan. I don't know what's up. I love boxing, but how did this guy not get account and got his face wiped off? He was able to do whatever he wanted. And then the reps, like, are you okay? You good? You want to fight? He's like, yeah. All right. Well, thank you, James. Maybe a left turn. Eduardo said that that was a left turn. Let's take a break here. Did you follow that fight, Marvin? I saw a couple of stories on it, but I. I just saw videos on Twitter, but I didn't see anything in detail. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I was too caught up in John Cena turning heel. I mean, I can't even believe. It's unbelievable. After Hulk Hogan, this is the biggest heel turn in the history. It is unbelievable. It is unbelievable. It's a wrestler named. Yeah. Yes, Paul. The fight was Tank Davis versus Lamont Roach. And Tank Davis, he got something from his hair into his eyes, and it affected his vision. And he took, like, a timeout during a live round, which I think confused people because they didn't know there's timeouts in boxing, because I don't think there are. Okay, but the ref let him take a break. I saw a fight recently, it was ufc, where the guy went to tap the gloves of his opponent. You know, you kind of come out and you tap. You know, it's like. It's like he suckered him. Yeah, he dropped him in seven seconds. That's bushling. It's like. Yeah. And then he tabbed, put his hand. Boom. Seven seconds. Yes. Marvin, protect yourself at all times. Thank you, Marvin. Let's take a break. Last call for phone calls. 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Paul 23 and a half. Marvin 25 and a half. Todd 26 and a half. Bloop, bloop. Got to play the game sometimes. 26 and a half for LeBron. Steph and Jalen Brunson. All right, this day in sports history. Paul, what do you have for me? I've got a couple for you. This one. In 1913, the New York Yankees traveled to Bermuda for spring practice, as they called it. They were the first team to leave the country for from to train. The V foundation formed in 1993. And in New York, 1993, the first ever ESPY Awards were held. You were there? Yes, I was after party pretty good. They have those back then? Yeah, they did, yeah. Yeah. Certain members of management always made sure that we had a good party. I remember that we, we launched. Well, I don't want to get too many details, but I remember a member of management fell out of a car, a parked car in the parking lot. He'd, he'd been overserved, but you know, he wasn't driving. That was the good thing, but kind of spilled out of his car or somebody's car, I should say. Ah, the good old days, you know, espn. Let's see. Abby in Des Moines or Desmonet. Hi, how are you? Great, Abby, thank you so much for taking my call. I am a first time caller, so I'm a bit nervous, so please bear with me. This is a little off topic. I know that you guys at one point were planning a trip to Iowa and so I'm just reaching out on behalf of a couple of businesses here in Des Moines that would love to host you, whether that's for recording or just a visit. So we are part of the Crescent building and we have a popular brewery, a locally sourced meat shop, a creative production studio, and a popular brunch spot all under one roof. So we'd love you to have you over to even come on a meat Friday where you could get the smoker out at the brewery and we could have the good butcher, who is our local butcher shop, bring in some me. And then if you needed a place to record, we have a Trilogy studio which is in the same building, a thousand foot sound stage which is all set up with a large cycle and lighting. So everything you might need. Abby, thank you. We've had some people from Des Moines who've reached out already and I think talking about some of the places that you've brought up. But we are still planning on going to Iowa. In fact, we've talked about it almost on a weekly basis. We'll let you know when we're going and where we're going to be and the different cities that we're going to try to hit. It's sort of like, you know, presidential campaign barnstorming, I guess. You know, they would do it by train where they'd be in the, you know, coming through on a train and waving. But yeah, you know, there's some things to work out. But yes, we are planning on going to Iowa. David in la. Hi, David. What's on your mind today? Hi, Dan. I wanted to reference your father's innovative thinking in the area of football analytics because it reminds me of something prescient my own father came up with in the 1970s. I remember him describing and even sketching out this concept that would use ground level cameras, moving up and down the sidelines on a fixed rail, precisely measuring ball spots and doing away with first down chains. Now, you know, who knows how this would have played out with coaches tripping over it or fans who like the drama of a measurement. But I was thinking, imagine if our two visionary fathers got together and perfected their respective ideas. They'd have revolutionized the NFL 50 years ahead of its time. Well, thank you, David. Yeah, a lot of reaction that Sean McVeigh was on yesterday and his grandfather was the coach at the University of Dayton. My dad was in computer science and this is back in the late 60s, early 70s, and he wanted to help the football team. So he asked Coach McVeigh to give him all the information on their opponents and what their tendencies were. He was trying to figure out, you know, what they would call, you know, third and eight, what they would call if it was, you know, first and 10, what plays would they run. And he put it into a computer and then, you know, it's probably one of the first football analytics that was ever invented, I guess, lack of a better word. But he, he thought the computers were the future. We didn't see it you know, all of my brothers and sisters. But obviously he was right. And with the analytics as well. Where would we be without analytics? Well, some would say I wish we were without analytics. Don't get Michael Wilbon started on this. But yeah, thank you for the reaction to that. Let me see Terry in San Diego. Hi, Terry. Hi, Dan. First time caller. Thanks for having me. Really appreciate your show. Shador Sanders. I really feel like he's a social media influencer drop pick because he doesn't make decisions fast. And you looked at it, you know, the first played with a bad offensive line, he was getting killed. And until he had like three or five seconds to throw, he was horrible. He's not fast. He doesn't make decisions quickly like Baker Mayfield. I don't understand how this quarterback that would rather take a sack than throw a risky ball or throw it away to Pat is sad, is getting so much hype. I feel like there are teams trying to trick other teams into drafting him. It's crazy. I. Well, once again, I didn't hear any negatives or very few negatives and now all of a sudden that's all I've heard, negatives now. And then there might be, you know, a groundswell for the other side to come back and talk about all the great things. And then he has his pro day as well. Todd, what'd you learn today? What may be perceived as arrogance or brash behavior to one person could be great confidence with a little cockiness to another. Satan, it's that time of year. Rumors. Marvin, you said Kirk Cousins will be an expensive mentor. Paul, always protect yourself. Most cars on the road could use a little tlc. At Mako, they bring your car back to life. Affordable paint jobs like collision repairs. Get a free estimate today. Uh oh, better get Mako. Thanks for the phone calls, emails, tweets, and to you, Eduardo, thank you. Have a great day. What's up, everyone? Julie Swerbinks here along with former NHL player Nate Thompson. We're doing a new podcast together. Here we go. The name Energy Line with Nate and jsb. Each week we'll get together and talk about hockey life. All topics are fair game, right? Exactly. And you'll never know who will drop by to join us. Julie is pretty well connected. She has text threads going that you wouldn't believe. 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