Hour 3 – What Is Aaron Rodgers Waiting For?, Seth Davis

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Patrick Show – Hour 3: What Is Aaron Rodgers Waiting For? Featuring Seth Davis

Introduction In the March 18, 2025 episode of The Dan Patrick Show titled "Hour 3 – What Is Aaron Rodgers Waiting For?", hosts Mary Kay McBrayer and Brendan Patrick Hughes delve into the ongoing speculation surrounding quarterback Aaron Rodgers' future in the NFL. The discussion is further enriched by insights from Seth Davis of CBS Sports, providing a comprehensive look at both professional and collegiate sports landscapes.

Main Discussion: Aaron Rodgers' Future

Examining Aaron Rodgers' Potential Moves The episode kicks off with an in-depth analysis of Aaron Rodgers' hesitations and possible next steps. Brendan Patrick Hughes raises critical questions about what might be holding Rodgers back from making a move:

• Brendan Patrick Hughes [07:11]: "So when people say, you know, is he going to go ahead of Shador Sanders? ... So when people say, you know, is he going to go ahead of Shador Sanders? ... What is Aaron Rodgers waiting for?"

Possible Teams and Motivations The hosts discuss potential teams Rodgers might consider, particularly focusing on the Minnesota Vikings and Pittsburgh Steelers. They weigh the pros and cons of each option:

• Brendan Patrick Hughes [06:45]: "I would not suggest that anybody make that kind of a decision based on the NCAA tournament and what happens in the postseason."
• Mary Kay McBrayer [07:30]: "Do you want to keep Aaron Rodgers for two years? They never should have let Justin Fields go."

Financial Considerations and Team Dynamics The conversation explores whether financial incentives might play a role in Rodgers' decision-making process, though skepticism remains about money being the primary factor:

• Brendan Patrick Hughes [07:42]: "That's what I believe he's waiting for. Now this could be money, which I don't know if that would be an obstacle for Aaron Rodgers."
• Mary Kay McBrayer [07:47]: "It doesn't matter what you're going to pay me, but yes."

Related Topics: Steelers, Jets, and College Basketball

Steelers vs. Jets: QB Scenarios The hosts transition into discussing the Steelers' quarterback situation, comparing Aaron Rodgers' potential impact with that of Justin Fields:

• Brendan Patrick Hughes [07:52]: "Any chance that Russ goes to Cleveland? Any chance that Russ goes back to Pittsburgh?"
• Mary Kay McBrayer [07:47]: "But if you're trying to restart your career, they were going to maybe give him the reins to the franchise for one year."

College Basketball—NCAA Tournament Insights Seth Davis joins the conversation to provide perspectives on the NCAA basketball tournament's selection process, particularly critiquing the inclusion of teams like North Carolina:

• Seth Davis [25:19]: "Everybody wants to make... Oh, Gonzaga. That means they shouldn't have gotten."
• Brendan Patrick Hughes [26:16]: "No matter what happens, when that bracket comes out, people are going to be pissed and some opportunistic governor is going to do whatever he does."

Impact of Transfer Portals and Player Eligibility The discussion extends to the evolving landscape of college basketball, focusing on transfer portals and eligibility rules:

• Brendan Patrick Hughes [34:53]: "It's been very good. I think that I would like to see maybe for the second time, transfer rules reconsidered."
• Mary Kay McBrayer [37:44]: "Well, look at Drake. They took players from Division 2 to fill out that roster."

Notable Quotes

• Brendan Patrick Hughes [07:52]: "If you hesitate, you go, well, we don't know if we want to keep him."
• Seth Davis [26:37]: "The basketball committee and the NCAA in general has been extremely transparent about the process."
• Brendan Patrick Hughes [29:22]: "There's so much money at stake. There's jobs at stake."

Insights and Analysis

The episode provides a nuanced exploration of both NFL and NCAA scenarios, highlighting the complexities athletes face in career decisions. Rodgers' potential move is portrayed as a multifaceted dilemma involving team dynamics, financial incentives, and personal aspirations. The discussion on college basketball underscores systemic issues within the NCAA's selection processes, emphasizing the need for greater transparency and fairness.

Conclusions

The Uncertainty of Aaron Rodgers' Decision The conversation wraps up with an acknowledgment of the uncertainty surrounding Rodgers' next move, emphasizing that fans and analysts alike are eagerly awaiting his decision:

• Mary Kay McBrayer [29:11]: "I just want to make sure they get it right. It's just like the college football playoffs."

Final Thoughts on NCAA Tournament Seth Davis concludes by reaffirming the inherent unpredictability of the NCAA tournament, advocating for a more transparent selection process to mitigate widespread dissatisfaction:

• Seth Davis [29:59]: "Look, I disagree with The North Carolina decision, but that doesn't make it corrupt."

Takeaways Listeners gain a comprehensive understanding of Aaron Rodgers' potential career moves and the broader implications for the NFL and NCAA. The episode underscores the interplay between individual decisions and organizational strategies, offering valuable insights for sports enthusiasts and professionals alike.

Conclusion The Dan Patrick Show successfully navigates the intricate topics surrounding Aaron Rodgers and the NCAA tournament, providing listeners with engaging discussions, expert opinions, and thought-provoking questions. Whether you're a fan eagerly anticipating Rodgers' next move or interested in the dynamics of college sports, this episode delivers a wealth of information and analysis.

Transcript

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Good morning. If you're watching on Peacock, that's our streaming partner or you're listening on our great radio affiliates around the country. Poll question for the final hour of the program, if you can. Seton and we will play Fill in the blank. See that right now we've got best quarterback name ever. Johnny Utah right now is 37% of that vote. Last place is Jackson Dart. Okay, what's that all about? Well, it's the new guy. Maybe people aren't aware of him, hasn't earned it yet. Yeah, he was at usc, goes to Ole Miss. Mel Kuiper now has him, the 10th overall pick by the Saints. He also has Shador Sanders going to the Giants at 3:3. So when people say, you know, is he going to go ahead of Shador Sanders? Mel says Shador Sanders is going to go three to the Giants. Once again, we got a lot of time before the draft. We got a month before the draft. You think that whole thing with shadow.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Wearing the Giants, did he have a Giants cleats on?

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

I think it was, yeah. Man, wouldn't that be something if he ended up going to the Giants? Well, I think he's always thought that he was going to the Giants. I think he made reference to Malik neighbors. I think that there's been subtle or nuanced messages about going to the Giants that hey, I'm going there and I'm going to turn that team around just like I did Colorado and Jackson State. I think that's the feeling. Can't wait. He's got Malik neighbors. They're not afraid of the New York spotlight and he'll be ready to go. Is it the right place for him? Is it the right quarterback for him? You have a coaching staff coaching for their jobs this year. Are you Going to have Shador Sanders play right away. What's Russell Wilson do? You know, there it is interesting. You know, Cam Ward, if he goes one the Giants, I thought we're going to try to go up to one, but it's just too expensive. Shador is there. They can take him. Do they still bring in Russell Wilson for a year? Any chance that Russ goes to Cleveland? Any chance that Russ goes back to Pittsburgh? You know, we just had Bill Cower on. He said, look, I haven't talked to anybody in the building, which I think he probably has. But, you know, in fairness to relationships, there he. Not quite sure. But you're waiting for Aaron Rodgers. I don't know what Aaron Rogers is waiting for and I know, I don't think he's doing his interviews with McAfee in the off season. But what is he waiting for? That's what I would be curious. That'd be the one question I would ask Aaron, what are you. What are you waiting for? Now this could be money, which I don't know if that would be an obstacle for Aaron Rodgers. Do you want to play with the Vikings? Yes. Doesn't matter what you're going to pay me, but yes. Do I want to play for the Steelers? I don't know. I really want to play for the Vikings. I don't know if I want to play for the Steelers. I. But if I'm Pittsburgh, I can't be held hostage. Aaron Rodgers going to maybe make us a little bit better in. In one year and then we're right back in this again the following year. Do you want to keep Aaron Rodgers for two years? They never should have let Justin Fields go. I know he's not polished, but it felt like you can grow with him. And I still think that he can be a starting quarterback. I do. Well, he's going to be with the Jets. You shouldn't have let him out of the building. But if you hesitate, you go, well, we don't know if we want to keep him. Hey, Aaron Rodgers, possibility. Well, if you're Justin Fields, he's not waiting. He's going. I'm going to take the jets offer. I'm not going to wait and I don't blame him. Now, are you going to win more games with the Steelers than the Jets? Yes. But he might be able to have this second career or would it be his third career if he had the Bears and then he had the Steelers and now you have the Jets. But I, I think that there's a. There's the potential to grow with the new coaching staff. Yeah. Paulie, there's been a few reports out.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

There that Justin Fields was offered a just a little bit lesser contract by the Steelers. If you're trying to restart your career, would you take just a touch more money with the jets or stay with a safe franchise like the Steelers? No one's really questioned that yet.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

Yeah, but it's only a two year deal, so they didn't really sign you up long term.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

But if you're trying to restart your career, they were going to maybe give him the reins to the franchise for one year.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

Yeah, but the Jets, I it's a new coaching staff and granted it's the Jets. But he may have said, look, do you want me? How badly do you want me? We're not sure if we want you. So he I think they gave him an offer that he could refuse because they're still waiting for Aaron Rodgers. But we're all waiting for Aaron Rodgers. Recapping the day so Bill Cower, always great to talk to him. The first four, it'll be St. Francis, Pennsylvania, Alabama State, North Carolina, San Diego State. North Carolina is a four and a half point favorite. But talk about he must win. This is where you win. If you don't win, oh my goodness, it, it'll be a rough morning tomorrow morning in Chapel Hill because the rest of the country is going to say, see, you didn't deserve to be in the tournament. We'll talk to seth Davis from CBS. He'll join us coming up. 8773 DP show Nate in Texas. Hi, Nate. What's on your mind today? Good morning, Dan. How are you guys? Great, Nate, first time caller, longtime listener, 62190 trying to slim down. I just heard that Bill Cower interview. And what I love about you, Dan, is that you're able to get something out of these coaches because these coaches have so much experience, they have so much understanding of every process that happens in the game. But a lot of them, because they're so caught up in the details, you have to bring that out of them.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

You have to ask them the great questions.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

I thought that Bill Cower interview was thank you, Nate. But you know, I always talk about people say, oh yes, great questions. And I always say what are the answers? Because that's really all that matters. I can ask what I think is a great question, not get a great answer. I just want to let you talk. And I think that's always been sort of the game plan here. Just let you talk and hopefully you say something I pick it out and then maybe I go in a little deeper there. But they have to be willing to talk, you know, could I conduct an interview like that with Bill Belichick if I'm not paying him? Probably not. But if you pay him, then he tends to, you know, expound upon things a little bit more. They just have to be open to it. That's the key to a really good interview. That and then listen to what they have to say. Norman in Mississippi. Hi, Norman. What's on your mind today? Come on. And Dan, just talking about the mighty Muncie Central Bearcats that lost to Milan, aka Hickory in 1952, that won more state titles than any other high school in Indiana, did not win a game last year in high school basketball. Well, thank you, Norman. That's a stat of the day, Marvin. Stat of the day. Stat of the day. Stat of the day. Scout of the day.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

This is the start of the day.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

I didn't know I was going to get a Hoosier update, but I did. By the way, Luka Doncic had 21, 14 and nine rebounds. Lakers beat the spurs since they traded for him. The Lakers are 9 and 1 at home. The Rockets came back from 25 down in the fourth quarter, beat Philadelphia. In the last six weeks, the Sixers have blown fourth quarter leads of 25 and 26 points. Congratulations. 52 players now have scored at least 40 or more points in a game. That's the most at this point in a season in the last 20 years. Also, I was ready to watch Denver against Golden State, and then all of a sudden Joker and Jamal Murray aren't playing. So I didn't watch Denver one. And I'm going, if you're going to rest Joker and Jamal Murray, do not rest them against Golden State. Rest them against the Wizards, who they lost to over the weekend. Like, let's just be fair to the audience. I'm sure they're all tired and beat up. Let them sit in the game against Washington. I don't, you know, if you're going to rest him and then you got a game against the Lakers coming up, you could rest them against Washington and then they play. I mean, this is what you. We. We get ready for these games. We want to see these matchups. And then all of a sudden it's, he's not playing. Jamal Murray's not playing. All right, time to play. Phil in the blank. Fill in the blank. Dylan, I'll start with you. The NCAA tournament expansion is blank. Lame Seaton Wank. Marvin, a chance for Less teams to.

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Complain about not making a tournament since.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

There'S already so many teams in the tournament anyway. Wordy. But I'll accept it. NCAA tournament expansion is blank. Paul.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Months away.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

Baseball starting the season overseas is blank. By the way, the Dodgers beating the Cubs today, this morning. Dylan Lame. No good for the Dodgers. Seaton Lame. Marvin. Literally un American. Paul Easy to miss. I would say disappointing. Just play spring training games. A couple of spring training games. Houston Rockets are blank. Dylan. Intriguing as of late. Seaton. Youthful Marvin. Aauish. No, they used to be Aauish.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Yeah.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

Like 18 months ago, those guys were playing AAU basketball. Now they're in the NBA. Paul. The Houston Rockets are blank.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Good, but a little faceless.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

Hmm. The Houston Rockets are dangerous. The Steelers starting quarterback next season will be blank. Dylan. Probably Aaron Rodgers. Seaton. Mason Rudolph. Marvin. The guy who wears a shawl. Paul.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

A Pro bowl alternate.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

Alternate. The Steelers starting quarterback next season will be Mason Rudolph. Oh, no. Yes, lad. Jump on board the bandwagon. Come on, buddy. Yeah. Calling in sick to watch the tournament on Thursday is blank. Dylan. A waste of a sick day just watching it work. Seaton. I. I agree with. It's a waste of a sick day. Yeah, but there are certain jobs where you can't watch the tournament, though. Name one. Yeah, like being a school teacher. Oh, you're right. You can't really watch that. You can't roll on the TV and put on the tournament. Did you ever have a teacher who. And. And, you know, now, decades after I was in high school, they might have been hungover, and then they would play a movie, but it had nothing to do with the class that you were in. It would be like, you know, and I was part of the audio visual team. And so you have to set up the TV monitor, and then all of a sudden you turn out the lights, and then you look over and you see Mr. Strunk was, you know, sound asleep. Yeah. Feeding. Yeah. I had a religion teacher that sometimes if he was in a bad mood, we would come in and he would just be listening to Bob Marley. You're like, that's it. All we're doing today is listening to Bob Marley.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Sick.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

Yeah. Yes. Marvin.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

My social studies teacher brought in the VHS cassette and we just watch Hoop Dreams.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

Oh, social studies. Yeah. Social.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Yes.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

You can tell they were hungover if they didn't even have the lights on.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

When you got into the room.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

Yeah. Calling in sick to watch the tournament on Thursday is what? Marvin.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Something Ray and Dylan do?

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

Yeah. Well, no, they're here. They don't call in sick. They're here.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

But if they were, like, lawyers or.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

Doctors or something important, that's something they would do. They could never become lawyers. No, no, I know, I know, I know. Yeah. In an alternate universe, they. They actually have lawyers. No doctors, though. Calling in sick to watch the tournament on Thursday is blank. Paul.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

To be commended.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

To be commended. Hey, I never did that. Call in sick. I'm trying to think if I called in sick for. Oh, opening day. Red's opening day. I called in sick one time and went down. There might have been 1970, and went down to Riverfront stadium, big red machine, opening day. It was a big deal. Noon start. Yes, Paulie, but would you call in sick?

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Would you. Like, in high school, did you ever call in sick or sick out to go baseball?

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

No, just that. Just going to see the Reds one time. But I don't think any. Like, my mom was on to me, you know, she. You know, it'd be like, all right, if you want to call in sick, you call in sick. Because I'd be like, oh, man. Throat early sore. All right, you call in. And then I was like, I don't want to call in the secretary, you know, the principal's office. So I never did. But she wasn't going to do it. She was not going to do my dirty work. Yes. Deal. Well, the worst would be if she's like, all right, if you're that sick, I guess we're going to the doctor today. Then you're like, well, not that sick. Well, no, my mom was not like, Fritzi's mom, where you have a cough, There would have been an ambulance. Yeah. Poor Fritzi. I mean, his mom would take him to the doctor no matter what happened. Like any. He sneezed. Got to go to the doctor. I remember she was disappointed that they didn't get shots one time, him and his brother, and she told them that she wanted them to get shots first. I don't know what it was, but they weren't supposed to get shot. And he. He jokes about getting his temperature taken. Wrecked at home. Yes.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Not even in a physician's office.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

Yeah, like, I mean, come on. That's a tough one if all you did was sneeze. Yeah, well, hopefully not while you're getting that done. You just have a sore throat. Mom might send that thermometer through a wall like a javelin.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Yeah.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

What was that? Todd's getting his temperature taken rector. Alrighty. This is why we don't win sports Emmys right here. This is it. All right, we're going to take a break. Seth Davis from CBS Sports, he will. Well, we got a few college basketball things to talk about. More of your phone calls as well. We're back after this. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation.

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[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Yeah. And it's kind of, you know, when you mentioned that, you know, so many unbelievable memories, obviously from not only that team, but that era. And it's, it's interesting that nobody has really tried to do that. Now. We have the analytics and we have the three point shot and the spacing and, and all of that, but just the frenetic, you know, early shot clock attempt, no matter what. You know, there's like that Division 3 school, Grinnell College, which is that way, and there's some dispute and it's an interesting conversation. Is that really basketball? I mean, are they trying to win? The thing about that Loyal Marymount team is they were really good. I mean, they won a lot of games playing that way. It's just interesting that, you know, in today's era, especially with the portal, you think a lot of players would want to try to play that way.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

But also it's a. We want to take a three. We'll give you a two. We're going to take a three. And Paul Westhead, you know, had great shooters on that team, great scorers on that team, and really you haven't seen anybody replicate that in Division 1 basketball, which, you know, given the fact that everybody wants shoot threes, you would think that that would be something if they found a couple of really good three and D guys that you'd be able to incorporate that. All right, I got off on a tangent there. What if North Carolina loses tonight?

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Seth, I do not like the better question is, what if North Carolina makes a sweet 16? That mean they deserve to get in? No, the tournament is nuts. Stop trying to make sense. Everybody wants to make. Oh, Gonzaga. That means they shouldn't have gotten. Remember Witchita State didn't get the right seat. Oh, that shows that. No, no, no, no, no, no. The tournament, we. It all starts over again. There are a lot of teams that could, that are not in this tournament that could win a few games. We've had two teams in the last 14 years go from the first four to the final Four. We don't need to get off another tangent, but I happen to be a proponent of expansion partly for this reason. I mean, imagine. By the way, Dan, you know, we've got two games tonight and two games tomorrow night. How excited are your listeners about those games? Maybe not really, but if there were six games today and six games tomorrow, I think there'd be a lot more excitement. But Yeah. I encourage people, please don't use NCAA Tournament results to retroactively justify whatever narrative you're trying to create.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

Could we have total transparency with the selection committee and they would allow us to see and hear what goes on behind the scenes? Is that asking too much? Invading somebody's privacy to let us see? So there is no discrepancy. So we do hear the arguments here. Right.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

So I start with this baseline. No matter what happens, when that bracket comes out, people are going to be pissed and some opportunistic governor is going to do whatever he does, and everyone's going to get on social media and everybody's going to be pissed no matter what happens. I got half my timeline, you know, criticizing me for fawning over the committee and Bubba Cunningham when I asked him the question on the selection show. And the other half thinks that I am totally unfair. Duke hack, who set him up for an unfair question. It's just the nature of the zeitgeist. This happened with the College Football Playoff when Alabama didn't get in. So I think the basketball committee. I think the football is. Is way behind on this, and I understand this is the first year that they've done this. The basketball committee and the NCAA in general has been extremely transparent about the process. Why do you think there are 250 or 500 bracketologists out there, all using the numbers? Everything is out there. At the end of the day, it becomes very subjective. You get seven teams for three spots. Right. That's the math. And so I've actually, frankly talked to them about putting a pool reporter in the room so they can report on. The person in the room can report on that at least maybe for the bracketing, because everybody has a million conspiracies. Are you just. They obviously. Obviously they just want to set up a team on Caliperi. You know, they used to. And they haven't done this in a while. Then they actually used to do a mock selection where they bring in members of the media, such as myself, put them in the actual committee room on the actual committee computers, and have them go through, you know, a truncated process so we all understand what the process is. At the end of the day, I get the argument that, hey, these are big decisions and we want people to be able to speak freely. And if there's a camera in the room, they can't speak freely and have a real candid discussion about things. It's a very difficult position to be in because, you know, they're subject to such criticism. So, look, I disagree with The North Carolina decision, by the way, go to all these bracketologists who are up in arms. All of them had Carolina in their first four out. Many of them had Carolina as their first team out or their second team out. And every year there is a team that comes sort of from further down the list that people don't expect to be in. It's a little unfortunate that this year that team happened to be the school where not just someone on the committee, but the actual chair of the committee is the AD from that school. And he's got an incentive in his. In his contract. It's all Bubba Mice. Dan, I disagree, but that doesn't make it corrupt.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

Yeah, I, I just. There's so much money at stake. There's jobs at stake. You know, I just. I want to make sure they get it right. It's just like the college football playoffs. I want to make sure they get it right.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

But there. But wouldn't you agree, though, that there is no right at the end of the day, it's. Otherwise. The better answer, Dan, would be, let's not have any human beings do it. Let's have an algorithm and let's plug in the numbers and let's let the AI computer or whatever will use your image, AI generated to, you know. But why even have people in the room? It's subjective. You're going to get what the football went from four to 12. That means whoever's 13 is going to be mad. It's just. It's just math.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

Yeah. Okay, so why don't we do that or why don't we let Vegas decide? Who are the teams that should be in?

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

There's a case for that. Listen, I've made the case, and I'll give Joel and Arti credit for being one of the first to really say this. People talk about the eye test. I don't think there. There should be an eye test. Oh, look at them. They both, like, you see Irvine and, and you see San Diego. Look at this game. They both. Have you seen every team play every game this year? Because I watch a lot of basketball and I haven't done that, but those numbers have seen that. So, you know, there is some subjectivity built into the. Really on the fringes of the process. You know, 90% of what happens and who's in and where they're seated and where they play is pretty baked in. So it's only in that last maybe 10% where you get genuine human subjectivity. And as long as you have that, people are going to be mad. They're going to have conspiracy theories. Oh, we should have basketball people on the committee. We should have non NCAA people on the committee, blah, blah, blah. Win enough games and you don't have to worry about it.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

Seth Davis from CBS Sports, joining us. Let's say Duke doesn't win the national title. Let's say Duke maybe bows out in the Elite Eight. Is there a scenario where Cooper Flag would come back to Duke, in your opinion?

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

There's a better chance that I will play for Duke next year, and by the way, I do have eligibility than that Cooper Flag. There is zero chance. And he should. I would not suggest that anybody make that kind of a decision based on the NCAA tournament and what happens in the postseason. Who knows what happens in. In this tournament. He's going to be the number one pick in the draft. Yes, he can make good money coming back to Duke. He can make exponentially more going to the NBA. You know, when Zion Williamson was about to make his announcement, he said, well, we don't know how serious he really was, but he actually talked to Coach K about this and he said, what if I come back? Like, I had such fun. Like, what if I come back? And K basically told him, well, you don't have a scholarship here and you don't have a roster here. I don't want that GoPro, go make your hundred million dollars.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

So let's Cooper Flag get paid.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

That's a great question. And you want transparency. That's what I'd like to know. I would guess neighborhood of 8 million all in, right between probably getting two from Duke and their whole collective. I mean, he's got his own New Balance.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

He's got to get more from Duke than the guy at Kansas State got $2 million.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

He got $2 million from their collective. But Cooper Flag is a unicorn in terms of his market. I mean, he's got his own shoe deal, he's Nike school, and he's got a New Balance deal.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

That's pretty.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

That's my hats off to him, man.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

But. But you don't Brown.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

I want to shout at his agent at caa. That's pretty good.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

You don't want to go to the Wizards, though.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

You know what? It's funny. I grew up a Wizards fan and I went down to Durham to interview Cooper Flag and a couple of the guys for. For Fox Sports. I said to him, I said, you look pretty good in the Wizards uniform, but they're not going to win. Look, it'll be the most Wizards thing ever to not win. They're not they're gonna pick third or whatever.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

Whatever.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

The lowest.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

Well, weren't you a Bullets fan before? Then they became. Because I remember seeing the ball, the Bullets with Wes unselled.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Yes.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

And Phil Cheniere and Elvin Hayes.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Elvin Hayes, yeah. Do you remember the old Capitol center with that sort of concave.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

Yeah.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Out in Landover, Maryland. My dad, you know those games back in the day. We are old, Dan. We are old.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

The transfer portals effect on college basketball, good or bad?

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

I think it's. I think on balance it's been very good. I think that I would like to see maybe for the second time, transfer. You have to sit out here. That's really what happened. People talk about the portal. The portal is just a database that allows everybody to see who wants to transfer and who doesn't and help you to get in touch. What really happened was it used to be if you transferred, you had to sit out a year and it was only in like a couple of sports. So they got rid of that and then they said, oh, okay, on the second transfer, you have to sit out a year, but we're going to have exceptions for hardships. And then everybody's uncle got super sick and they had to, you know, go live near the uncle. And so they ended up getting rid of that. That's part of why, you know, I'm hoping at some point it seems inevitable, Dan. They just make them employees, let them unionize, get a collective bargaining agreement and maybe, maybe it gets rectified that way. But you know, I see and I understand, like when people will say, oh, you know, these mid major teams, they have a great player and then he can just transfer up. And that's not fair to the mid major schools. But they can also get transfers from schools who are in lower divisions. And by the way, a lot of these players start off at those power conference schools and, and don't get a lot of minutes and they end up transferring down. So I don't think there's been any change in that regard. The best players are always going to go to the schools with the best resources. And so it's sort of manifesting itself differently. But this is as far as I'm concerned. It's been that way since, since the beginning of time.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

Well, look at Drake. They took players from Division 2 to fill out that roster. So you're right, you can go down lower if you need to. Give me the sneaky, give me two or three sneaky teams that they may not get to the final four, but they're going to Create some havoc.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Well, Drake is, is definitely one of them. You know, Ben McCollum came from D2, won national championships there, brought four players and by the way, UC San Diego is another team. I've got them going to the sweet 16 actually. This is their, this is their fourth year in division one, but there's a transition period about being. So it's their first year being eligible for the tournament. So those are hungry. But a lot of those guys came from Division 2 as well. What I like about Drake, Dan, and maybe this is someone that all the bracket filler outers can look out for. I like, I do like teams that a slow tempo because it's, you get these stylistic contrasts. So they're playing Missouri which likes to get out and go and you know basketball better than anyone. It's much easier to take a team that wants to run and slow them down than take a team that wants to play slow and, and try to speed them up. So St. Mary's is another team that plays a slow tempo Liberty. They're playing Oregon in the first round. That's my first round upset. I really like High Point as a 13 seed. They won their league last year, lost in the conference tournament. Brought a lot of those guys back. They got a guy, Bobby Pettiford who played at Kansas now coming off their bench and they've won all year. They won their league by three games. And then McNeese is the other one. Will Wade's got some serious, serious high major athlete. I like High Point because they go 7ft 6, 8 in the front court and their six man is a stretch 4, 6, 9. A lot of times those mid major teams don't have the size up front that some of the high majors one does. I like, I like the Panthers of High Point.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

Give me the vulnerable number one seed.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Well, I think it's Auburn. I mean I don't think there's any question that they've lost their edge. I think the mantle of being as good as they are, as good as they've been in that, that league all season now, you know, maybe they, you know, rejuvenate themselves. Auburn's an amazing story Dan, in that all of those guys. They got one guy, a freshman point guard to Hod Pettiford comes off the bench. He was a top recruit. Everybody else are tran. I mean Janiyah Broom is a player of the year, spent his first two seasons at Morehead State. I mean they got guys who transferred into from Division 2. Chad Baker Mazzara came from junior college. So they kind of they need to get that back like that chip on their shoulder. They're much better like Seabiscuit, you know, trying to play from behind.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

Should there be an age ceiling that I think the point guard for Creighton is 24. Is that that right? I mean, should we get to the point where, you know, maybe 23?

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Well, I don't think it should be age. I do, obviously. I think it should be eligibility. And again, this is why we just need to get to collective bargaining, because the governor of West Virginia, you know, I mean, what's, what makes you more popular as a politician or an attorney general prosecutor than, you know, sticking up for athletes against the ncaa. One thing that is going to happen next year, the whole sport's going to get younger because this is the last year of the quote, unquote, Covid senior. Everybody got an extra year of eligibility because Covid. So you got guys who are playing and if like you had a medical red shirt and but now, like they're trying to make it so these judges are helping them out that the junior college doesn't count against your clock. So you can play two years in junior college and now and now have five to play four in Division 1. That's not going to last. It's craziness, I tell you.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

We'll talk to you during the tournament. Always great to connect with you.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Love you, Dan. Thanks for having me on. Enjoy the tournament.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

Thank you, Sam. Seth Davis, CBS welcome back. Last call for phone calls. What we learned, what's in store tomorrow. After this, be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio in the iHeartRadio app. I'm Mary Kay McBrayer, host of the podcast the Greatest True Crime Stories Ever Told. Join me every week as I tell some of the most enthralling true crime stories about women who are not just victims but heroes or villains or often somewhere in between. Listen to the greatest true crime stories ever told on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia. I'm excited to share my podcast with you. Math and stories from the frontiers of marketing. This week, I'm talking to the CEO of Moderna, Stephane Bonsell, about how he led his team through unprecedented times to create, test and distribute a COVID vaccine all in less than a year. It becomes a human decision to decide to throw by the window your business strategy and to do what you think is the right thing for the world. Join me as we uncover innovations in data and analytics, the math and the ever important creative spark, the Magic. Listen to Math and Magic stories from the first frontiers of Marketing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. Did you know that companies hire the most in the first two months of the year? Or that nearly half of workers are worried about being left behind? I am Andrew Seaman, LinkedIn's editor at large for Jobs and Career Development and my show Get Hired brings you all the information you need to, well, get hired. People are forming opinions of you even before you log into the zoom or walk into the room. And so you really have to think about what is it I want to display? You don't plant a garden and then just walk away and expect it to thrive. You are in there pulling out the weeds. You're pruning it, you're watering it.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

It's the same thing with your network.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

You should always be in there actively managing your network. If you don't feel confident to say a number, even admitting that to a recruiter is going to be far better than saying, well, what is your budget for the role?

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

A lot is in the follow up, right?

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

Don't wait to follow up. Whether you're a new grad, an established professional, or contemplating a career change, Get Hired is for you. Listen to Get Hired with Andrew seaman on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you like to listen. Love at first swipe? I highly doubt it. What's your biggest red flag? No, no, no. What's your ultimate green flag? These days, reality TV and social media have us thinking love is instant. We're marrying strangers at first sight, we're finding love through walls, or we're even judging people by balloon pops. But what really makes a relationship last? On this episode of Dope Labs, poet, author and relationship expert Young Pueblo breaks down the psychology and biology of loving better and he provides eye opening insights and advice that we all need. It's a big realization moment that you should not be postponing your happiness. Like your greatest happiness is not necessarily going to like come from a relationship.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Your partner.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

They should add to your happiness, but your happiness is really coming from within you. Listen to Dope labs on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Ever wonder what it would be like to be mentored by today's top business leaders? My podcast this Is Working can help with that. Here's some Advice. Dimon, the CEO of JPMorgan Chase on standing out from the leadership crowd.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Develop your eq.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

A lot of people have plenty of.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Brains, but EQ is, do you trust me?

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

Do I communicate well? You know, when you walk in a.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Room, do people feel good you're there?

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

Are you responsive to people? Do people know you have a heart? Develop the team, develop the people. Create a system of trust. And it works over time. I'm Dan Roth, LinkedIn's editor in chief. On my podcast, this is Working, leaders like Jamie Dimon, Mark Cuban, and Richard Branson share strategies for success and the real lessons that have shaped them. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So I got my bracket here. Don't fill it out till tomorrow at. At the end of the show or at the end of business. Couple of phone calls in here and let me see, how about Kennedy in Nebraska? Hi, Kennedy. How are you this morning? Hey. Pretty good. And first off, Happy New Year. No, no, we don't do that. Secondly. No, you guys mentioned earlier what jobs can and can't watch March Madness at work, and I think you guys said teachers aren't able to. And as a teacher in Nebraska, I can tell you it can be and is done. That's kind of why extra credit was invented, I think, to keep an eye on the kids at their desk and keep an eye on Creighton and Louisville. All right, well, thank you. Kennedy sounds like a teacher who probably gives his students a chance to watch basketball. Extra credit. Jack in Michigan. Hi, Jack. What's on your mind today? Hey, Dan, I think people are making too big of a deal about North Carolina. Everybody's getting bent out of shape. They're not going to be around that long. We don't have to worry about them. And then I thought about you guys and how you have such an extensive background in music, and I thought there's probably a musical, a song about every team in the tournament. This one, my friend Linda had this to say about Carolina. Thank you, Jack. I respect the effort. Nailed it. Yep, he did. Nailed it. Jim. Jim in California. Hi, Jim. Good morning, Dan. How are you this morning? Spectacular. Hey, I'm glad you mentioned it a.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Little bit ago about baseball.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

It's lame and un American to have the opening day of our national pastime in a country other than the United States of America. Never mind an opening day on March 18. They should play exhibition games over there and start like they usually do in the United States of America. And that NFL. Oh, okay. Oh, we lost his quick NFL. Take there, Marvin. Yes. I feel like I have more of a problem. Not with where baseball's opening day is, but the timing of it. I hate that it's, you know, weeks before the season starts. I just don't think it's fair to these teams. What are you having it for? You're having these games count and then you play a bunch of games and they don't count and then you play games that do count. Again. What the hell for? Are you trying to tell me that the best baseball fan in Japan is going to go now? It's a preseason. It's spring training. I'm not going to watch that. They will show up and they will sell that place out. At least be fair to the players who have a couple of weeks now. You have to go back and go back into spring training mode. It's just, I don't like it. I understand why the Dodgers want to do it. Absolutely. And you know, if you're the Cubs and you want to try to establish a foothold over there and maybe, you know, you're able to get more players. They have a couple of Japanese players. I understand all of them. I'm all about growing the game. But take care of, you know, your fan who's been with you for decades, you can still grow the game. But if you're a Dodger fan, were you getting up at three in the morning? Four in the morning? I mean, if you're going over there for the Dodgers, then think about the Dodgers fans. Let's see this day in Sports History. Paulie.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

1892, Frederick Arthur Lord Stanley of Preston announced that he had purchased a trophy to be presented to the hockey champion of Canada.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

Guess what they named it? The Stanley Cup.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Yeah. Very nice of him to not open up to other.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

All right. Lord.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

And then 1970, the NFL selected Wilson to be the official football and scoreboard as the official times.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

Okay, let me see. I mentioned a couple of basketball ones. Michael Jordan, perhaps you've heard of him. 1995 announced that he is ending his 17 month NBA retirement. Mike in Florida. Hi, Mike. What's on your mind today, Daniel? First, I want to thank you for all your great interviews over the years. You make people at ease and that you go in directions that nobody else would go into and you get stuff out of them that nobody can get out of them. So I really appreciate your interviews over the years. Well, thank you very much, Mike. You're welcome. But. And the net rankings, that's the only thing I want to investigate. Let me give you example at the first of the year. Houston lost their first three quad one games and they were still in net rankings number three. Now you explain that to me. How can you lose the Owen three in quad one wins that are supposed to be important and still be ranked in the net rankings number three that just throws. It's garbage in and garbage out. I would, I would rather see people who like ex coaches who maybe call.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

These a lot of these games and.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

Watch, you know dozens because they call the games they it. You know what there, there's a no win situation. Those player, those coaches may play favorites or we would infer that they're playing favorites. Jim Boeheim's on the program tomorrow. We'll see what he says. RG3 will stop by. What did you learn today, Dylan? General Booty's middle name is Axel, which is also the most normal of his three names. Seaton. Yeah, Axel in there. It's underappreciated Marvin. Mel Kuiper loves Jackson Dart Paul.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

It's Robert Griffin III and It's Jim Boeheim Jr. I just found out.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

I'm Mary Kay McBrayer, host of the podcast the Greatest True Crime Stories Ever Told. This season explores women from the 19th century to now. Women who were murderers and scammers, but also women who were photojournalists, lawyers, writers and more. This podcast tells more than just the brutal, gory details of horrific acts. I delve into the good, the bad, the difficult and all the nuance I can find because these are the stories that we need to know to understand the intersection of society, justice and the fascinating workings of the human psyche. Join me every week as I tell some of the most enthralling true crime stories about women who are not just victims, but heroes or villains, or often somewhere in between. Listen to the greatest true crime stories ever told on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

My name is Brendan Patrick Hughes, host of Divine Intervention. This is a story about radical nuns in combat boots and wild haired PR trading blows with J. Edgar Hoover in a hell bent effort to sabotage a war.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

J. Edgar Hoover was furious.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

He was out of his mind and he wanted to bring the Catholic left to its knees. Listen to Divine intervention on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia. I'm excited to introduce a brand new season of my podcast Math and Stories from the Frontiers of Market Marketing. I'm having conversations with some folks across a wide range of industries to hear how they reach the top of their fields and the lessons they learned along the way that everyone can use. I'll be joined by innovative leaders like Chairman and CEO of Elf Beauty Tarang Amin, legendary singer, songwriter and philanthropist Jewel. Being a rock star is very fun.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

But helping people is way more fun.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

And Damian Maldonado, CEO of American Financing. I figured out the formula. I have to work hard. Then that's magic. Join me as we uncover innovations in data and analytics, the math and the ever important creative spark, the magic. Listen to math and Magic on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. What's up everyone? Julie Swerbinks here along with former NHL player Nate Thompson. We're doing a new podcast together.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Here we go.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

The name Energy Line with Nate and jsb.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Each week we'll get together and talk about hockey life.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

All topics are fair game, right? Exactly. And you'll never know who will drop by to join us.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Julie is pretty well connected. She has text threads going that you wouldn't believe.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

Listen to Energy Line with Nate and jsb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Mark Seale. And I'm Nathan King. This is Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli. The five families did not want us to shoot that picture. This podcast is based on my co host Mark Seals best selling book of the same title. Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli features new and archival interviews with Francis Ford Coppola, Robert Evans, James Caan, Talia Shire and many others. Yes, that was a real horse's head. Listen and subscribe to Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.