Hour 3 - What To Do With Brock Purdy, Jim Nantz

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Patrick Show - Hour 3: What To Do With Brock Purdy, Jim Nantz

Episode Details

• Title: Hour 3 - What To Do With Brock Purdy, Jim Nantz
• Host: iHeartPodcasts and Dan Patrick Podcast Network
• Release Date: April 3, 2025

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Introduction In this episode of The Dan Patrick Show, Dan Patrick engages in a dynamic discussion with sports commentator Jim Nantz, focusing primarily on NFL quarterback Brock Purdy and his evolving role with the San Francisco 49ers. The conversation delves into recent NFL trades, quarterback performance, team management, and broader sports culture, interspersed with light-hearted banter and interactions with listeners.

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Main Discussions

1. NFL Trade Analysis

Timestamp: [07:00] – [08:37]

Dan and Jim kick off the discussion by examining a recent NFL trade where the New England Patriots traded quarterback Joe Milton to the Dallas Cowboys. Jim Nantz shares his perspective:

• Jim Nantz: "I like it. Got a big-time talent as far as arm strength. Known for that. Got injured his last year. Tennessee. I like what I saw with him and I think this is a good pickup." [07:45]

Jim appreciates the Patriots' acquisition of Milton, highlighting his arm strength and potential development in Dallas, especially after their loss of Cooper Rush to the Ravens and Trey Lance not meeting expectations.

2. Brock Purdy's Contract and Future

Timestamp: [07:45] – [08:37]

The conversation shifts to Brock Purdy's $55 million contract with the 49ers. Jim expresses skepticism about the team's enthusiasm:

• Jim Nantz: "It feels weird what they're saying about him. It's kind of like, yeah, we really love him, but we really love him when he's got that coach Kyle Shanahan and all these other players around him." [07:55]

Dan Patrick adds his analysis, questioning the sincerity of the 49ers' endorsement:

• Dan Patrick: "They're kind of going kicking and screaming that, yeah, he's our guy and we'll pay him. But, you know, when he's got Kyle as his coach and he's got, you know, all these other players, he's our guy. Doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement there." [08:00]

3. Comparative Analysis with Other Quarterbacks

Timestamp: [08:37] – [10:00]

Dan and Jim compare Purdy to other top quarterbacks, emphasizing the importance of the supporting team:

• Jim Nantz: "I look at Brock Purdy as a game manager, it's a compliment. He's been to the Super Bowl, another NFC title game." [08:35]

• Dan Patrick: "If somebody's willing to pay it, then ask for it. You know, you're going to find out." [08:37]

They discuss how quarterbacks like Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady are considered superior despite also having strong supporting teams, questioning why Purdy's contract is tethered to his current team dynamics.

4. Team Management and Ownership

Timestamp: [08:35] – [10:00]

The discussion broadens to team cultures and ownership impacts, referencing the Jets and Patriots:

• Jim Nantz: "The NFL Players Association released its annual player survey. The Jets got a C-minus for family accommodations, a D-plus for their locker room, and an F for ownership." [09:10]

• Dan Patrick: "What we knew it as, that doesn't, that model doesn't exist anymore." [10:00]

They compare the proactive approach of teams like the Patriots, who have won six Super Bowls under Robert Kraft, to struggling franchises like the Jets under Woody Johnson, highlighting how ownership attitudes significantly shape team success and culture.

5. Current Team Performances

Timestamp: [10:00] – [12:30]

The hosts briefly touch upon the performance of various sports teams:

• Jim Nantz: "The Dodgers are now 8-0. The Padres are 7-0. Oklahoma City Thunder have won 11 in a row." [10:30]

• Dan Patrick: Expresses excitement for upcoming Masters week and other major sporting events, indicating a lively and competitive sports landscape.

6. Listener Interactions and Light Banter

Timestamp: [12:38] – [42:24]

Throughout the episode, Dan and Jim engage with callers, sharing personal anecdotes and humorous exchanges. Notable segments include:

• Jim’s Proposal Story:

  • Jim Nantz: "I gave my mother-in-law the ring... she forgot it in Salt Lake City. But I still proposed." [12:38]

• Discussion on Broadcasting Roles:

  • Dan Patrick and Jim Nantz discuss their long careers in sports broadcasting, sharing experiences and mutual respect.

• Poll Question:
  Dan introduces a poll about preferred sports Jim Nantz would like to cover, sparking friendly debate on golf vs. the Super Bowl.

• Award Ideas and Show Segments:

  • Callers suggest creative ideas like the "Marvin Award" for the smallest hands in the NFL draft, leading to playful discussions on sports accolades.

7. Jim Nantz’s Career Reflections

Timestamp: [27:14] – [33:02]

Jim reflects on his illustrious career, particularly his experiences with the Masters Tournament and interactions with legends like Brent Musburger:

• Jim Nantz: "The Masters is just... a conversation piece. I find it a great challenge." [33:02]

• Dan Patrick: Discusses his own journey, sharing personal memories from NCAA tournaments and the significance of the Masters in his broadcasting career.

8. Future of College Basketball vs. Golf

Timestamp: [34:33] – [35:34]

Dan expresses concerns about the future of college basketball amidst changes like the NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) policies, contrasting it with the enduring legacy of golf:

• Dan Patrick: "College basketball may not live as we know it another 500 years. It may not live another 15 years." [35:00]

• Jim Nantz: Agrees, noting the instability introduced by players frequently transferring schools.

9. Closing Remarks and Final Thoughts

Timestamp: [39:32] – [42:24]

Dan and Jim wrap up the main discussion with plans for future show segments, humorous exchanges about sound-alike contests, and mutual appreciation for each other's contributions to sports broadcasting.

• Jim Nantz: "Just remember, it's glory for Rory. He has completed the career grand slam." [41:37]

• Dan Patrick: Expresses gratitude towards Jim, reinforcing their camaraderie and professional respect.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Jim Nantz on Personal Finance Ignorance [00:00]:

  • "Personal finance ignorance is as American as apple pie."

• Jim Nantz on Fighting Back [01:04]:

  • "Now more than ever, we need to use our voices to fight back."

• Dan Patrick on Game Management [08:35]:

  • "When things break down, what do you do? That's what I want to know."

• Jim Nantz on NFL Team Surveys [09:10]:

  • "The Jets got a C-minus for family accommodations, a D-plus for their locker room, and an F for ownership."

• Dan Patrick on Retiring from Masters [29:07]:

  • "In a perfect world, my last show, I'd be able to make it if I could... my last retirement date might be my hundredth playing of the Masters tournament."

• Jim Nantz on Jim's Career [33:02]:

  • "It's a conversation piece. I find it a great challenge."

• Dan Patrick on College Basketball Future [35:00]:

  • "College basketball may not live as we know it another 500 years. It may not live another 15 years."

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Conclusion

This episode offers a comprehensive exploration of current NFL dynamics, particularly focusing on Brock Purdy's role with the 49ers and the implications of his contract. Dan Patrick and Jim Nantz provide insightful analysis on team management, quarterback performance, and the broader sports ecosystem. Their engaging dialogue, enriched with personal anecdotes and listener interactions, delivers a nuanced perspective valuable for sports enthusiasts seeking a deeper understanding of the game's intricacies.

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Note: This summary intentionally omits promotional segments, advertisements, and non-content sections to focus on the substantive discussions and insights presented during the episode.

Transcript

[Jim Nance]

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[Dan Patrick]

I'm ready to fight.

[Jim Nance]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Jim Nance]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Jim Nance]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Jim Nance]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Jim Nance]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Jim Nance]

Don't let me.

[Dan Patrick]

You feeling this too?

[Jim Nance]

Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. Final hour on this Thursday. Jim Nance will join us coming up here in about 20 minutes from now. Got a final hour poll question. Good morning. If you're watching on Peacock or listening on our radio affiliates around the country, we'll get to your phone calls operator Tyler sitting by. Strange batch of phone calls today. By the way. The PGA Tour is in San Anton or. Yeah, San Antonio. Right. The Valero Texas Open. That's going on today through the weekend. Golf, NBC and Peacock and then we get ready for Masters week. Scotty Scheffler is the odds on favorite according to DraftKings, followed by Rory McElroy. And then it's a big leap to Jon Rahm, Ludwig oberg and Colin Morikawa. 8773-DP-Show email address dp danpatrick.com we had a trade in the NFL about 20 minutes ago. Adam Schefter reporting. Patriots sent Joe Milton, former Michigan and Tennessee quarterback, to the Dallas Cowboys. I like it. Got a big time talent as far as arm strength. Known for that. Got injured his last year. Tennessee. I like what I saw with him and I think this is a good pickup. They lost Cooper Rush to the Ravens. Trey Lance didn't work out. So you bring in Joe Milton and let him develop there a little bit. Also, the feels like the more I read about the Niners thoughts on Brock Purdy and extending him and giving him whatever $55 million, I don't know, it just feels weird what they're saying about him. It's kind of like, yeah, we really love him, but we really love him when he's got that coach Kyle Shanahan and all these other, you know, players around him. And, and once again, that was the feeling I got when I was reading some of these comments from Jed York where they're sort of, there's a caveat to that. Yeah, he's, he's our guy. He's the top 10 quarterback when he has Kyle as his coach and then he's got these other skilled players. What other, what other top 10 quarterback do you go? Yeah, he said top 10 quarterback. But with that coach and with those offensive weapons, we don't do that with Jalen Hurts top 10 quarterback. You go, yeah, but you don't go well with Saquon Barkley and, you know, all in his wide receivers. We don't do that with Joe Burrow. Don't do that with Josh Allen. Don't do that with Lamar Jackson. What top 10 quarterback do you say he is as long as he has these surroundings here. And that would make me nervous because you're not going to have all of that talent around you because they've had to get rid of some big contracts. And are you going to be able to go into a game with Brock Purdy and say we got Brock Purdy. We have an advantage over you. And the answer is no. But the Niners can have an advantage because of what you surround Brock Purdy with. He's very good. And. And, you know, I know that Alex Smith still gets upset when I say he was a game manager, but I say that Patrick Mahomes is the ultimate game manager. Tom Brady was a game manager. It's not a negative. It's just you understand what to do and when to do it. And I look at Brock Purdy as a game manager, it's a compliment. He's been to the super bowl, another NFC title game. But, you know, as a game manager, you take advantage of the pieces that you have, that's all. And I think if you're going to be an elite quarterback, you better be able to manage a game. I think we get caught up in, oh, that means he can't throw the football. Well, Mahomes can throw it as well as anybody. Brady could throw it as well as anybody. When things break down, what do you do? That's what I want to know. But it feels like the Niners are kind of going kicking and screaming that, yeah, he's our guy and we'll pay him. But, you know, when he's got Kyle as his coach and he's got, you know, all these other players, he's our guy. Doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement there. Yes, Paul, Whenever management talks about contracts, I always think publicly that they're trying to send a message to both the fans and. And maybe the agent for the player they're trying to sign. Are the Niners trying to say, hey, you know, we can't wait to sign this guy. He's great when he has talent around him. We could use a little more money to put some talent around you, make this contract just a little bit friendly. That's what you're hoping for. But if I'm his agent or I'm Brock Purdy, go get what you need to get. Get what you're comfortable getting. Don't let somebody tell you. I don't want to tell somebody, you know, what to do with their money or how much money they should ask for. If somebody's willing to pay it, then ask for it. You know, you're going to find out. It's just like Sam Darnold realized that, okay, you're not getting $50 million. Baker Mayfield, you're not getting $50 million. And that's having reality. And I think that's important for these quarterbacks. Understand where you are who you are and what you need around you. Sam Darnold needs talent around him. He had the best receiver in football with him in Minnesota. He had as good of a quarterback coach as a head coach. And in Kevin, it's like if you go to the Rams, you got Sean McVeigh there, you get Matt LaFleur and Green Bay. There's certain guys when you go in there, that guy's going to help you be better. And as a quarterback, understanding that. And it's not about getting every single dollar, it's not baseball destroyed. And you don't want your team pseudo throwing your quarterback under the bus like we, you know, check for your expectations. We gave all this money to the quarterback, so we had to let some of the better players go. So we'll do the best we can, but we had to give this one.

[Dan Patrick]

Guy a lot instead of spreading it out.

[Jim Nance]

Yeah, I don't like that. They're kind of going, yeah, we had to let a lot of guys go so we can pay Brock Purdy. Well, you had a lot of guys and had an opportunity to win a couple of Super Bowls because you had Brock Purdy because he fell in your lap as the last pick of the draft. Now time to pay him. When you think about winning in the NFL, it's not just about talents, about the culture. You could have great coaches, great players, but having the right ownership. And you saw that turnaround with the Commanders in one year, they moved on from Daniel Snyder. We're starting to see it more and more with Woody Johnson with the Jets. The NFL Players association released its annual player survey. They graded everything from team facilities to treatment of families. The jets got a C minus for family accommodations, a D plus for their locker room, an F for ownership. So these are the players who are doing the grading. So Woody Johnson does the following. He calls the report bogus. Meanwhile, Robert Kraft and The Patriots ranked 31st overall out of 32 teams. What did Robert Kraft say? The results were eye opening. And he acknowledged the organization must improve. So there's the difference. One owner, six Super Bowls, another owner whose team hasn't made the playoffs in a decade. And you wonder why there is a losing culture attached to the Jets. They don't get it, he doesn't get it, and maybe they never will. That's all right by me. All right, so Jim Nance will join us coming up. The Dodgers are now 8 0. The Padres are 7 0. Oklahoma City Thunder have won 11 in a row. We're a week away from the Masters warriors and the Lakers coming up tonight. So we have a bonus fill in the blank. And do we have a poll question for the final hour? Seaton? Did I already ask you that? Well, right now we got up there. If you could have Jim Nance call only one football, basketball or golf. Right now, 60% of the audience have basketball. Oh, over. Golf is in second, though. But I feel like that's going to change as the hour goes on. Okay, now I would, I would say golf because if I asked Jim, you could do one more game, you pick one more sporting event, what would he pick? I think he's taking the master. Yes, he is. How about if I take the Masters off the board and he's got one more sporting event to do now, see, he's going to say the Super Bowl. It's crazy that the Masters was an immediate answer over the Super Bowl. Yeah. I'm wondering if I said, okay, that's not bad. You can call another super bowl or another Masters. Now he's going to say, well, I get to do both, which is true. But if you could only do one of those two. Does Jim say the Masters on CBS or does he say the Super Bowl? Yes, Todd. What about the AFC Championship or both final four games? This way it's not the super bowl, it's not the national title game. It's like one step. But he doesn't do those anymore. I was trying to get things that he's still doing okay. Yeah, but he could do one more of those. Technically, he still works. He could knock Iron Eagle out one night just for one day. Why don't you take tonight off? Hello. Hello, Ian. I'm gonna. Hey, Jim, how are you? Why don't you scoot over? I think your seat is over there. Yeah, I'm gonna take over from here. Wayne in Utah. Hi, Wayne. What's on your mind today? Hello. Hi, Dan. Hey, Wayne. I just have a proposal story because we were talking about it. We go on vacation to Glenwood Springs. I gave my mother in law the ring. I get all ready, I get everything set up, going to propose.

[Dan Patrick]

And I ask my mother in law, hey, where's the ring?

[Jim Nance]

And she looks at me and goes, I left it in Salt Lake City. Don't rely on your mother in law to bring the ring when you're going to propose. I love the woman, but so what happened? I still proposed. I got down on one knee and was like, will you marry me? And she's like, are you missing something? Like, what are you doing empty handed? And I go, no, your mom forgot It. But we came on this way and this town was special to us, so I just had to do it. So. All right, all right. I respect that you're going through with the plan and blaming your mother in law. Get off on a good start there with your mother in law. Mike in Vancouver. Hi, Mike. What's on your mind? What's up?

[Dan Patrick]

First time, long time. Got a couple things.

[Jim Nance]

What's up, Fritzi? What's up?

[Dan Patrick]

I just like to remind you that we the callers are much like the show unscripted.

[Jim Nance]

Oh, I know that. Especially today. I know, right? Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

And here's another thing off topic. What if the NBA had a designated three point shooter? Like, only one person could like count that three. Like the warriors would obviously have.

[Jim Nance]

Like Steph Curry. You used to have that in the 80s. You had your designated three point shooter, Mike. So it's happened before. It was just coaches didn't encourage the other players to take three pointers. Now everybody is a designated three point shooter.

[Dan Patrick]

Like when something like yesterday when you went Mark Sanchez and threw into my liner.

[Jim Nance]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Glass or whatever. You kind of like fritz it up there. Who's like, what happened, bud?

[Jim Nance]

Yeah. Thank you, Mike. Kind of fritzed it up there. Yeah. Fritzed it up. That's not a compliment. No, fritzing it up. That Fritz. You kind of fritzed it up is not a compliment. Yeah, that's not good. At least on the context of that sentence. Now it's kind of effing it up. It's it. But it's called fritzing it up, by the way. One dining moment. Don't we have to play that next Tuesday after the national title game? Marvin, tradition unlike any other. The food is. Do we have a little bit of one dining moment from Fritzi that it's his takeoff on and nobody asked for it. But Todd, hearing one shining moment after the national title game, he decided, one dining moment. The food is served. Meats are car. I have no idea why it came out like that. I had a chance to redo it. Well, they tried to tell Todd, you sure you don't want to do another take? He goes, nope, I nailed it. Exactly. The. The food. Food is weird. Very weird. Maybe just a little. Just a little more, Mark. Just a little more. The food is served. Meats are carved. No. A little more anticipation. Cause you're so starved. You've long sandwich years. They don't see your taste buds glow. That's just a sample of one dining moment. At one dining moment. Yes. Paul, the timing was off from the first Second, the food is. I broke some equipment back there when I hit that note.

[Dan Patrick]

I think it was a couple things we got to fix.

[Jim Nance]

But the fact that you thought you nailed it is what's awesome. I think we got it. Yeah. And. And the guys in the back are like, oh, my God, we tried to get him to do it again. I go, no, it's called content. One take, Toddy, we're done. Let's go. Yeah. All right. Rol. Yes. Marvin, look on. Let's get Quizzical. He messed it up. And so Eric goes, hey, guys, guys.

[Dan Patrick]

He has to hear the music. And Weeks goes.

[Jim Nance]

Weeks, our camera guy, he does hear the music.

[Dan Patrick]

And the big German's like, oh, never mind then.

[Jim Nance]

Yes, we tried to help him. You just. You thought you nailed it. The tone deaf situation going on. Some type of tone deaf situation I need to be made aware of. Okay, we're going to do an emergency. Fill in the blank. Can we do fill in the blank right now?

[Dan Patrick]

It's one line.

[Jim Nance]

Okay, here we go. Fill in the blank. Carmelo Anthony is going to the hall of Fame. The Basketball hall of Fame. Fill in the blank. Carmelo Anthony's NBA career was blank. Todd Mellow. He's just Joe Cool Seaton. Underappreciated. Marvin. Underrated, I would say. Great. Yeah, it's great. Do you have a word there, Paul? Fill in the blank. Underappreciated is interesting. One of the great scores of all time. One of the great players of all time. No, no, great score is a. There's a difference in that. Is that a slight at all? We've talked about this before. Well, no, Alex English is one of the great scorers of all time. He's not one of the great players of all time. But then what's the window of greatness like when you go the top 100 players of all time? Top 50. Yes, it is weird because you're like, oh, yeah, he's one of the greatest scorers of all time. And then in the back of your head you're like, yeah, couldn't score enough, though. If you could score just a little more, maybe he would have maybe gone to a not fair NBA Finals. Yeah, no, he was a great scorer. He was. He was mid range buckets. He wasn't a great player. I don't know. What else did he do? The object of the game is to put the ball in the basket. Yeah. Sometimes you might have to play a little defense because defense wins championships, Marvin. Yeah, but does Joker play defense? All right, we'll take A break. You think Carmelo was great? A great player. Marva, A great player.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Jim Nance]

Okay. All right, fine. Like, why are we yelling at each other today? Who's yelling? You. Feels like you. We started yelling at each other first hour. I don't know if we were yelling. It felt like that. We weren't yelling. Get up yelling. No, we were real yelling, not fake yelling. All right, we'll take a break. Let's, let's get our act together. Jim Nance is going to join us, for God's sakes. All right, let's take a break. Back after this. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our [e-mail] and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Hey, Steve Covino. And I'm Rich Davis. And together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything, life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture, stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still.

[Dan Patrick]

Work together, I mean, that says something, right?

[Jim Nance]

So check us out. We like to get you involved, too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Jim Nance]

Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Covino and Rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course, on social media, that's Covino and Rich. Tariff whiplash is real, folks. And rapidly changing economic policies, they affect all of us to one degree or another. Trump 1.0. So that was more tariff talk. Now we are experiencing the widespread tariff action. Totally scattershot, totally random. The theory, Matt, I think, is that we're trading short term pain for long term gain. That's the tariff theory at least. But I have a hard time envisioning the long game. Rosy outco. If these policy priorities kind of continue, it can be hard to know how to react to news of accelerating layoffs, increasing stock market volatility that's why the how to Money podcast exists. We cut through the hype to give you crucial information that can help you to achieve your money goals no matter what is going on in the world. Yeah, it's our goal to help you make wise money choices that will allow you to build wealth over time and reduce anxiety levels so you can sleep well at night. How to Money comes out three times a week. How to but our Friday Flight episodes speak directly to what's happening in the financial news so you can digest this week's headlines without freaking out. Listen to how to Money on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley Season one. I just knew him as a kid. Long silent voices from his past came.

[Dan Patrick]

Forward and he was just staring at me.

[Jim Nance]

And they had secrets of their own to share. Gilbert King I'm the son of Jeremy Lynn Scott. I was no longer just telling the story.

[Dan Patrick]

I was part of it.

[Jim Nance]

Every time I hear about my dad, it's oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil. I was becoming the bridge between a killer and the son he'd never known. If the cops and everything would have done their job properly, my dad would have been in jail. I would have never existed. I never expected to find myself in this place.

[Dan Patrick]

Now I need to tell you how I got here.

[Jim Nance]

At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer. Bone Valley Season 2 Jeremy Jeremy, I want to tell you something. Listen to new episodes of bone Valley Season 2 starting April 9 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear the entire new season ad free with exclusive content starting April 9th. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts. Hello friends. Jim Dance, hall of Famer, lead play by play voice, NFL and cbs. Host of the Masters on cbs. But this week, big time Houston Cougar fan Jim joining us on the program. How nervous do you get before watching your Cougars play?

[Dan Patrick]

Before, during and even after. I love hearing you say hello friends, by the way. That a good way to start my day, my friend. But I am so stoked about this weekend. Listen, we all have that little boy inside of us, you know, that fan that still lives and has a place in your heart. What sports used to feel like. I have it with all things University of Houston. So football, basketball, whatever it might be. But I am absolutely in love with this team. Kelvin Sampson, the head Coach, he's just incredible. And I will be there in the stands wearing red and cheering us on against the mighty Duke Blue Devils come Saturday evening.

[Jim Nance]

How much did five slam a jama break your heart?

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, big time. April 4, 1983. I was sitting in the stands in the, in Albuquerque in the pit at the opposite end from the Lorenzo Charles game winning basket. And you know that that date, as you can tell, was only 42 years ago. It still is very much in my heart 42 years ago. Tomorrow it's, it's front and center. You know, I got to tell you, that was a pivotal day in my life and career because, and I people don't know this, it's more than just having gone to the school. My whole career really was channeled being on the golf team and the golf coach introducing me to Guy Lewis, the Hall of Fame coach for Houston, who said, young man, I'd like you to be our public address announcer at our home basketball games. And that turned into me then while still a student hosting his coaches show on the NBC affiliate. It gave me cred when I was just 20 years old. So yeah, it's been a long running love affair for some. The reason. They even have a banner now right next to the names of Elvin Hayes and team Olajuwon and Clyde Drexler and Otis Birdsong. It's nuts commemorating my, my own NCAA tournament years and gifts of being able to do the tournament for so long. But in that 83 game against NC State, I actually rode to the pit on the bus with the team. These were my buddies, you know, I named Clyde the Glide and we were just a very close knit group. Guy Lewis said you come with us.

[Jim Nance]

Wait, you came up with Clyde the Glide?

[Dan Patrick]

Oh yeah.

[Jim Nance]

Okay.

[Dan Patrick]

You didn't know that, did you?

[Jim Nance]

Come up with five slam a jama?

[Dan Patrick]

I did not, Thomas. Tommy Bonk did.

[Jim Nance]

Oh yeah, great writer Tommy.

[Dan Patrick]

Tommy came up with that. Yeah, I wrote the forward to Clyde's book. And you know, we're all of us are still great friends to this day. Well, they showed up last year when they had that jersey banner raise. And I love these guys. Anyway, here we are at Albuquerque and I don't have a credential or a ticket. I just ride in with the team. Guy says meet us back here after the game, get back to the hotel. So I go into this arena two and a half hours before the game and where do you go? There are no seats with backs, there's only benches. And there in the corner behind a basket was the CBS set. And I looked up, and there was Brent Musburger running through the elements of the show. He was hosting it. It was Gary Bender. I love Gary. Gary and Billy Packer were going to be calling the game, so I thought, that's where I'm going to sit. I sat right up against the set. I mean, Brent was. I really could have tied his shoes. It was that close. And I was just looking at him. I was the only guy in the arena. He was probably wondering, why is this punk hanging out this close? And I saw Bill Egan, his stage manager, with whom I would later work, saying, let's go through this. And I turn around, I saw there's a teleprompter there. And I could hear. Everything was three feet away from me. And, I mean, I was mesmerized at the great Brent Musburger, who I adore and love to this day, was right there. And that was a thrill for me. Three years later, as fate would have it, Brent's now calling the games. CBS is in an arena that no longer exists in Dallas. They have a set just like the one in Albuquerque, and I'm the guy that was sitting in that chair. Three years later, in 86, I was hosting the Final Four, and I was pitching it to Brent courtside at the start of the broadcast. So I've been given a lot of blessings, but that's a very big one.

[Jim Nance]

If I said you can call one more Masters or one more super bowl, but you have to choose what. I'm a journalist. I gotta ask these questions, Jim. It's a good problem to have, by the way. Masters or one more Super Bowl.

[Dan Patrick]

I think you know the answer to that. I mean, I'll let you answer it. You know the answer to that as. Listen, I've been given the blessing of having. I think it's the fourth most super bowl calls of all time, tied with Kurt Gowdy. So they're all special. But I wouldn't trade the Masters for anything in. In the world. So, yeah, it's important to me. In a major championship, golf, we have the PGA Championship. That. That means a lot to me, big time. I got to call the Open Championship over on the BBC for a number of years, when the BBC still had it, I was the foreign voice over there. The only one I've never called is the U.S. open, which, you know, would have been a thrill to have the chance to do a national Open because I care so much about it. But the Masters is just. It's the. It's again, that little Boy, we talked about what's inside here, what's inside the heart. I wanted to be one of those voices. I didn't care about being on television. I want to be able to tell the stories like the voices of my youth were telling me long ago.

[Jim Nance]

He's Jim Nance and he will be calling the Masters. What is this, the 40th?

[Dan Patrick]

It'll be number 40.

[Jim Nance]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Which in the broadcasting longevity graphic, if you have it there, Todd can put it up. You're looking over at Todd.

[Jim Nance]

He can't do it. Jim barely get you on the phone.

[Dan Patrick]

I tie the great Vern Lundquist for the broadcast longevity record. So.

[Jim Nance]

And this is a 11 year retirement tour. Is that what this is going to be?

[Dan Patrick]

No, listen, I actually have it. We had this discussion on your show in 2016. Melissa Miller, my longtime chief of staff. This thing like just went viral last week for no good reason. It was not the story. I just happened to say it in conversation. But when it gets spun like I am declaring or making an announcement, this is my retirement. I would never want that attention. I would never do that. I just happened to say, like I said on your show nine years ago, and I said to Richard Deitch and I said to. To many other people out there through the years, Alex Myers and some other guys, I said that would be. In a perfect world, my last show, I'd be able to make it if I could. God willing, CBS willing, Augusta willing, I would love to get to the hundredth playing of the Masters tournament. And if that's the case, if we did get there, that probably be my retirement date. But I say that with a twinkle in my eye. D I don't really think about it. I'm thinking about this show now, by the way. Maybe I don't make it there. Maybe I go beyond it. I don't want to start putting a countdown clock on it.

[Jim Nance]

So. Okay, but I got a shop for a gift for you. And. And so I don't know, do I have 11 years to get you something or.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah. Don't get me one of those rocking chairs.

[Jim Nance]

No, I'm not going to get you that.

[Dan Patrick]

You know, the first time I said it, and you're one of the first I ever said it to. And we did a whole show on this. My great teammate Kevin McHale, not the basketball player, got a countdown clock. And I showed up at our next golf event and it was in the corner of our tower and it said like 20 years, 18 days. And the second was going like, you see down to Times Square.

[Jim Nance]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

And I thought it was funny. It was a nice gag gift. But there it was the next week and the week after, and it really made me uncomfortable. I did not like seeing my life go by like that. I said, you got to take that thing down. So I don't even want to think that way. No, there's no. There's no announcement here. All I know is I'm blessed enough to be able to be there next week for the 40th, and I'm going to give it my all with deep appreciation in my heart.

[Jim Nance]

Can you show up and just play golf at Augusta?

[Dan Patrick]

No. No, I wouldn't probably show up anywhere and just assume anything. No, no, I would never do that. No.

[Jim Nance]

Okay.

[Dan Patrick]

I've been invited as a guest.

[Jim Nance]

Okay.

[Dan Patrick]

Which has been a great gift. I played there a couple of times with Arnold Palmer, by the way. Just a name drop on you here. That was one of my. Several of my greatest thrills, and I've had some really treasured invitations to play there, and I have through the years, most recently March a year ago.

[Jim Nance]

And what'd you shoot?

[Dan Patrick]

It was a big number. It was a really big number.

[Jim Nance]

Three. Was it three digits?

[Dan Patrick]

No, not that big.

[Jim Nance]

Okay.

[Dan Patrick]

Not that big.

[Jim Nance]

90S.

[Dan Patrick]

Sadly, it's not that far away from it, but it was not good. It took me a long time before I even registered a par. Now, I. I used to. You know, I say, like, I played there a lot of times, but I would get stuck on. You got to realize I'm in my 60s now. I mean, I first started coming to Augusta when I was three and a half years out of college, and I was 26 years old. I could still hit it. I can hit it. I could take the club back to parallel and all these things I can't do any longer. And I could shoot in the mid to high 70s. You know, those days are gone for me there at Augusta or anywhere else for that matter.

[Jim Nance]

I always marveled that you go from March Madness, where your voice is used differently and a football game your voice is used differently, to then the Masters, where your voice is used differently.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Jim Nance]

And you don't have that much separation between March Madness and the Masters, but just gearing up and voice wise and then not gearing down, but like, how do you reset to go now? This is. My mindset's all different. My voice is completely different.

[Dan Patrick]

I don't think about it at all. I'm glad you asked this question, because if you did, it doesn't sound authentic to me. If you were to take your show right now and step outside from that warm fireplace environment you have, and you happen to walk outside and you were ringside for a UFC bout or you were right in the middle of Auburn and Alabama in football and you continued your show with the next segment. Would your voice be like this? No, it wouldn't be, because there'd be all this ambiance sound. There'd be all this energy and excitement and you would naturally feel like you have to push your voice to cut through that. I never have given that a thought in my life. I just go with whatever the environment feels like, where I feel like I've got to take my voice. And Augusta is not a screaming place. Golf isn't a screaming sport. It's much more mellow. It's more like, Truthfully, it's more like the setting that I'm looking at you in right now. It's, it's, it's. It's a conversation piece. I find it a great challenge. I know probably most people think, how challenging is it? It's not like calling a basketball game up and down the floor. No, I actually think it puts a premium on your ability to tell a story and to also be able to see what your skill set is as far as being able to communicate and your word choices and your phraseology and your ability to be succinct or long form storytelling. I actually think it's the greatest demand that I've ever had in my career, and I think a lot of people have done. Golf would say the same thing.

[Jim Nance]

More concerned about the future of college basketball or the future of golf.

[Dan Patrick]

Not concerned about the future of golf. It's been around for 500 years.

[Jim Nance]

But with live, what about it? Those players playing there, what, like, do we merge? Does golf need to merge?

[Dan Patrick]

I, I don't, I don't know. The answer to that. Now lives, I think, is in its fourth year. There hasn't been a whole lot of change in the last year. If you've noticed, the turnover has slowed down. Meanwhile, the PGA Tour is developing a lot of great young players. Let's take a guy like Ludwig Oberg, who might win next week, for example. I think the PGA Tour is doing just fine. And that's not an indictment of live by any means. But my concern on your question is future of college basketball.

[Jim Nance]

Yeah, that.

[Dan Patrick]

That may not live as we know it another 500 years. It may not live another 15 years. Because the portal and the nil. It's difficult. I don't paint it doom and gloom. I don't want to say it's about to be extinct. It's not going to be. But what we knew it as, what we grew up with, that doesn't, that model doesn't exist anymore. And some people have a real problem with that. This is. I want to put a pitch in here for my, my school here, the University of Houston, as we go into this weekend. We represent college basketball the way we used to know it, better than anybody, maybe in America. Our guys stay. We had everybody come back except Jamal Shed who was done eligibility and went to the NBA. He was a great leader. I grieve that he's not being able to experience his final four. But we have guys that have been there four or five because of the extra Covid year, even six years for Juwan Roberts. And yeah, we have to play the nil game. But our guys aren't racing to the portal. They believe in their coach. There's a family culture there they're all in. And they love their school. They love their brotherhood and bonding with their teammates and they love that Samson family. And in a day where we have to every year be reintroduced to major programs and say, who are the newcomers this year we're going to get to watch for one year. Well, Houston, we've gone through a long stretch and yet we've had to see guys graduate. But by and large, by and large, we are the model that won back in the 90s. Our guys stay and they care. And it's neat to see the word loyalty still exist and not racing to a portal. I mean, my last few years of doing basketball, I did the tournament for 37 years, either hosting or calling it. You know, I'd see five year players who were five different major division one programs, even conferences. You know, you bring a guy in, you train him, you coach him and next thing you know, the season ends and he's looking to see what opportunities are somewhere else. So I'm proud of this bunch. I'm proud of what Kelvin has developed. And this is our seventh time at the final Four. That's a major number. Second in four years under coach Sampson, but we've never won the championship. We got to beat a good Duke team to get to Monday night, but maybe this is our year. We still get undervalued, underrated. I had someone say to me yesterday, yeah, you guys are good, but Duke's this, this and this and this. Okay, I hear that every game. I heard it going into the Tennessee game. I heard it going to the Purdue game or going into the Big 12 Conference, which we've been in for two years, and we've absolutely run away with the conference. Two for two, very strong basketball conference.

[Jim Nance]

I like this. I like.

[Dan Patrick]

We'll see.

[Jim Nance]

Jim Nance fan. I like this.

[Dan Patrick]

You know, you haven't had this before. Gotta let it out somewh, you know.

[Jim Nance]

And I'm gonna help you. When Ludwig Oberg wins and you go, Oberg. Oh, my.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh.

[Jim Nance]

It's a tribute to Dick Enberg.

[Dan Patrick]

I like that. You know. You know how much I treasure the history of our industry and the names of yesteryear and Dick worked the masters with us probably the last 10 years of his career.

[Jim Nance]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, my. Ludwig Oberg.

[Jim Nance]

Yeah. There you go.

[Dan Patrick]

That's not bad. I'll put that one. I'll put that one older. What should I say when McElroy completes the career grand slam instead? Come on. On the spot. You got to feel it. It's got to be organic.

[Jim Nance]

It's glory for Rory. He completes.

[Dan Patrick]

That's not bad. Glory for Rory.

[Jim Nance]

Thank you. Let's go. Thank you.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm going to tell you right now, glory for Rory.

[Jim Nance]

It'll make the show wins next week. Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

It may not be the final pipe call. It will be said somewhere from the end of the competition.

[Jim Nance]

Okay.

[Dan Patrick]

But when we sign off the air, the glory for Rory, I will be channeling you, Dan, at that moment. You have my word. Right now, if McElroy wins, I'm going to say something about glory for Rory.

[Jim Nance]

And you don't have to mention my name. You don't.

[Dan Patrick]

I was gonna ask you what kind of attribution. Now, we don't run credits at Augusta, but maybe we can run a graphic that says glory for Rory.

[Jim Nance]

Jim worry. Jim Nance's words. Yeah. Jim Nance's words, provided by Dan Patrick. There you go. By the way, I. I did have my bad moment with CBS when they tried to hire me years ago. Sean McManus.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Jim Nance]

Yeah. You never heard this story? No, no, it's it. I was mid-90s. I'm a big deal at Sports center, and he wants to hire me at cbs. He said, pick any job. You can pick any job. And then I said, but I don't want to go to CBS Sport because that's all you. I think you just had basketball. You had just lost football or something. And we.

[Dan Patrick]

We had the NCAA tournament.

[Jim Nance]

Yeah. Yes. But I was gonna also had.

[Dan Patrick]

We also had a little tradition, unlike any.

[Jim Nance]

They wouldn't have let me. They wouldn't let me.

[Dan Patrick]

So it's not sports.

[Jim Nance]

Okay. Oh, no, it's terrible.

[Dan Patrick]

Championship.

[Jim Nance]

I know, but I said that I was going to take Pat O'Brien's job, and Sean says, pick a job. And then I was so smug, and I go, but I don't want to go to CBS Sport. Terrible. I mean, we could have been cohorts.

[Dan Patrick]

I feel like we are, anyway.

[Jim Nance]

We are. We are.

[Dan Patrick]

I mean, I was talking about my Houston Cougars and a brotherhood. I truly feel like we are. And there's some others that are kind of. Now, we're in the same age bracket here.

[Jim Nance]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

We all have been fortunate enough to be on national broadcast for about the same length of time.

[Jim Nance]

Yep. Very lucky. Very lucky. You welcome.

[Dan Patrick]

And I think you know how much I love you and how awesome I know you are, so we have that. So I do feel like we're. We're cohorts. Cohorts is what you call. Yeah, colleagues.

[Jim Nance]

Just remember, it's glory for Rory. He has completed the career grand slam.

[Dan Patrick]

You're wanting it right over the pot now.

[Jim Nance]

Yeah. Oberg. Oh, my.

[Dan Patrick]

Hey, what happened to the old sound alike contest we used to have about this time of year?

[Jim Nance]

Well, when you lost your own sound alike contest, I canceled it. We had somebody who sounded better as you than you. And I thought. You know what I did?

[Dan Patrick]

I did. I lost. I lost a guy from. I think he was from Arizona.

[Jim Nance]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

That was fun. I think we need to bring it back.

[Jim Nance]

All right, I'll talk to my people. People.

[Dan Patrick]

I'll talk to my people. We'll see if we can work it out.

[Jim Nance]

Thank you. Thank you. Great to talk to you. Have fun.

[Dan Patrick]

Appreciate you. Love you, pal.

[Jim Nance]

See you, buddy.

[Dan Patrick]

Appreciate being your colleague.

[Jim Nance]

All right, back after this. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox SP radio and the iHeartRadio app. Tariff Whiplash is real, folks. And rapidly changing economic policies, they affect all of us to one degree or another. Trump 1.0. So that was more tariff talk. Now we are experiencing the widespread tariff action. Totally scattershot, totally random. The theory, Matt, I think, is that we're trading short term pain for long term gain. That's the tariff theory, at least. But I have a hard time envisioning the long game, rosy outcomes if these policy priorities kind of continue. It can be hard to know how to react to news of accelerating layoffs, increasing stock market volatility. That's why the how to Money podcast exists. We cut through the hype to give you crucial information that can help you to achieve your money goals no matter what is going on in the world. Yeah. It's our goal to help you make wise money choices that will allow you to build wealth over time and reduce anxiety levels so you can sleep well at night. How to Money comes out three times a week, but our Friday Flight episodes speak directly to what's happening in the financial news so you can digest this week's headlines without freaking out. Listen to how to Money on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley season one. I just knew him as a kid. Long silent voices from his past came.

[Dan Patrick]

Forward and he was just staring at me.

[Jim Nance]

And they had secrets of the their own to share. Gilbert King I'm the son of Jeremy Lynn Scott. I was no longer just telling the story. I was part of it. Every time I hear about my dad is, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil. I was becoming the bridge between a killer and the son he'd never known. If the cops and everything would have done the job properly, my dad would have been in jail. I would have never existed. I never expected to find myself in this place.

[Dan Patrick]

Now I need to tell you how I got here. At the end of the day, I'm.

[Jim Nance]

Literally a son of a killer. Bone Valley Season 2 Jeremy, Jeremy, I want to tell you something. Listen to new episodes of bone Valley Season 2 starting April 9 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear the entire new new season ad free with exclusive content starting April 9th. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts. Last call for phone calls. What we learned, what's in store tomorrow. Those watching on Peacock. You see my sweatshirt? Dan Patrick takes a gamble. That's the gambling podcast and we'll have that for you a little bit later on today. We're going to tape it after the show with Shaya nerving Bad Larry Dylan, the graphics guy. It'll be available at Dan Patrick Hot dog guy these days than graphics guy. I come in this morning and I can smell hot dogs and It's. It's about 7:45 and I'm wondering if it's from the previous day. And then all of a sudden I see Dylan with a hot dog and I so I say to seat and I go and Dylan had a hot dog today. And Saint goes so did I. Yeah, I said, I said that's sad. He Goes. Well, it was after 8:00. 8:30. I mean, it's. You're right. It doesn't sound as bad that you had one at 8:30. Dylan had one before 8:00. Definitely felt shame about.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Jim Nance]

Am I more ashamed of the hot dog at 8:30 or the bag of gushers at 9:57. Clary in Los Angeles. Hi, Clary. Hey guys. Thanks for taking my call. First time, long time. 61 2, 80. I. Two ideas I wanted to pitch to you. The first was creating a Marvin award for the player in the NFL draft with the smallest hands. And you can make a cast out of Marvin Sands for a trophy and then do an interview. Good content. Well, not everybody is as good a sport as Marvin is. So if you're going to have somebody and they have the smallest hands, Clary just. They might not embrace it the way Marvin does. I know, but you know, being chippy is a part of sports too. But yeah, think about it. And then the second one is for the sports semi submissions, I think. Can you guys maybe have the fans pick your submissions and kind of change it up? Because I want you guys to get one before you retire. We got a. This is crazy. You guys are the best. All right, well, thank you. We already submitted. I think we find out next week if we got nominated. But if we don't win this year, when we don't win this year, next year the fans can vote on their favorite segments. But we have to let you know how this works. And I don't even know how. I don't. I have no involvement with the sports Emmys at all. Zero. I say to Mario backroom guys, you guys pick what you want. They sometimes run it by some of the Danites, but I'm not involved in. In any of that. Cindy in Indiana. Hi, Cindy.

[Dan Patrick]

First time, long time, size of Mugsy.

[Jim Nance]

Bogues and Tori's mom.

[Dan Patrick]

Happy birthday.

[Jim Nance]

Oh, you're Tori's mom from Denver.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm actually from Indiana. I'm in Denver right now for his birthday.

[Jim Nance]

Okay. But Tori doesn't like the show.

[Dan Patrick]

Tori loves the show. I love the show. It's Jenna who's kind of.

[Jim Nance]

Oh, Jenna. We don't like Jenna. That's right. Yeah, we don't like.

[Dan Patrick]

We'll bring her around.

[Jim Nance]

All right. Well, thank you. Cindy, who is Tori's mom, who's married to Jenna, who doesn't like our show this day in sports history. Paul, she's got a couple for you. By the way, smallest hand size at the combine this year, the Marvin Prince award winner would have been Lisa Burden, the wide receiver. Oh, out of Missouri.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, like eight and a quarter.

[Jim Nance]

He's actually a good player. He's tough having small hands though, at that position. Good hands, but small hands. It's a burden. Oh, thank you, Todd. Todd finally contributes. Okay, this date in 2019, Greg Popovich got ejected 63 seconds into a Spurs loss against the Nuggets. That's the fastest ejection in NBA history. Todd, what did I learn on today's program? We all learned Glory.

[Dan Patrick]

Ferrari.

[Jim Nance]

Mike Dropped. Dan Patrick. Yeah. Oberg. Oh, my. Our pleasure to serve you. We look forward to talking to you on Meat Friday. Have a great day, everybody. A great lawn is like a great sports team. It takes expertise and a little extra care to stand out. And that's where Trugreen comes in. Here's the best part. It's more affordable than you think. They'll even match any competitor's price. Plus, Trugreen backs it all up with a satisfaction guarantee. Not happy. They will come back between visits to make it right. So don't wait. Head to trugreen.com today and let the pros do the work while you sit back and enjoy the results. Exclusions apply. See trugreen.com for details. Are your money skills total trash? Well, trust me, you are not alone. Personal finance ignorance is as American as apple pie. But you can improve. Think, Matt, if your emergency fund was invested, especially given the volatility we're experiencing right now. Ouchies. Investing it is ultimately a necessity. But you gotta keep that emergency fund accessible. It needs to be cash parked in your savings. It's time to learn. And how to money is here to bring the knowledge. Listen to how to Money on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Are you hungry? Colleen Witt here and Eating While Broke is back for season four. Every Thursday on the Black Effect Podcast Network. This season we've got a legendary lineup serving up broke dishes and even better stories on the menu. We have Tony Baker, Nick Cann, Melissa Ford, October London and Carrie Harper Howey. Turning Big Macs into big moves. Catch Eating While Broke every Thursday on the Black Effect Podcast Network. IHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts. Wherever you get your favorite shows, come hungry for season four. My name is Brendan Patrick Hughes, host of Divine Intervention. This is a story about radical nuns.

[Dan Patrick]

In combat boots and wild haired priests.

[Jim Nance]

Trading blows with J. Edgar Hoover in a hell bent effort to sabotage a war. J. Edgar Hoover was fur. He was out of his mind and.

[Dan Patrick]

He wanted to bring the Catholic left to its knees.

[Jim Nance]

Listen to Divine intervention on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm ready to fight.

[Jim Nance]

Oh, this is Fighting Words. Okay, I'll put the hammer back. Hi, I'm George M. Johnson, a best selling author with the second most banned book in America. Now more than ever, we, we need to use our voices to fight back. Part of the power of black queer creativity is the fact that we got us. You know, we are the greatest culture makers in world history. Listen to Fighting Words on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.