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MLB Hot Stove Kicks in, Luka Doncic Trade Broke the Internet, & Super Bowl Preview
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Jake
Hello and welcome to Wake and Jake super bowl week. We cover that in the back half of the show with Justin Pennock, who's heading down to New Orleans with me leading up to the Super Bowl. So that's going to be fun. Baseball kicked into gear a little bit. How about the righties? Scherzer to Toronto. Jack Flaherty yesterday back to Detroit. That's exciting. There is also a couple other small, smallish, one medium ish ones. I'll say. Hassan Kim sign. That was one of the wild cards of this free agency. To the Tampa Bay Rays. Carlos Estevez to your Royals. I know that gets everyone jazzed up. Jorge Polanco back to Seattle. Sad. Had his worst year. What were those contract stocks like? Hey, you. I know it was your worst year. You want to come back? Okay. I know an article just came out that said people can't hit at our stadium, but you in to run it back. I hate that. Anyways. And the NBA trade that took over the sports world. We'll cover that for a little bit. Cause everything, it was the topic walking into the office this morning. It was, if you're a sports person, it's where, it's where the NBA still wins. They have stars, it's international. Like, I think people were waking up all over the world and were like, luca got traded. Where I don't think people were waking up and were like, wait, Flaherty's back with Detroit. I don't think that hit Europe. Let's do the baseball first. Cause that's why a lot of us are here. We'll go recent Jack Flaherty back to the Detroit Tigers. Two years, 35 million, one year, 25 miles. He has a player opt out and then if he makes 15 plus starts the next year for Detroit, if he stays in that contract, it goes back up to 20 million. Man. Jack Flaherty, our guy, first ever talking baseball guest in person. Guest. One of Trev's like actual friends, which that's cool. Wedding buddy. The Hudgens Tucker affair. Jack has had an interesting. He came up with the Cardinals. He was one of the best young pitchers in baseball. Some injuries, some performance caught up with them. But the good news is last year he was awesome, especially with the Detroit Tigers. So he goes back there, which that was somewhat rumored through the off season. I think when things are a good fit, you don't have to apologize for that. There's injury concerns, which I think if everyone's being honest, we don't actually know anything about. There were some trades at the Deadline that I think got turned down before that. He's had some back stuff. He's still. When we're talking back stuff and we'll get to Max Scherzer in a second. Jack Flaherty is 29. So like he's a name that's been around for a little bit going back to 2017. Jack Flaherty got hurt by that and the fact that he just doesn't have the most electric fastball. And I know even bumping around with John a little bit today, some of the. Some of the numbers on the fastball, if like Jack doesn't put it where it's got to be, it might be going somewhere bad. The fastball, Velo's decline. He's sitting at like 93 and we saw some weird stuff in the postseason last year. If he didn't have full rest, his fastball was around 90, which is just a dangerous place for any major league fastball. But we also saw in his good starts he was sitting 93, 94, 95. And I think if you're going to follow up that those breaking balls or that fastball sentiment, his breaking ball grayed out is one of the best in baseball. I think it was 98th percentile and he was throwing it a lot. So with the Detroit Tigers last year, 18 starts, 106 innings pitched, 133 strikeouts, 11.2 K OPS 9295 ERA, two and a half WAR that he goes to the Dodgers, the numbers aren't as great, but he was also oh BBD Yankees.
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Justin Pennock
Have signed Carlos Carrasco Cookies Minor LEAGUE.
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Jake
DEAL Breaking NEWS Carlos Carrasco Yankee STUD that'll be fun in training camp. Jack Flaherty goes to the Dodgers LA where he's from. Then they win the World Series and he pitched a couple big games for them. He got hit a couple times too. There's often the second start and there's some interesting stats there. I think he was the. He was the best pitcher the first time through the lineup of allowing hitters get on base. I think it was like a.270 on base percentage. So there's stuff in there. Jack's banging breaking balls. He's had a very productive year. Detroit is one of the better pitcher ballparks to pitch at and for them it just makes their pitching feel so much. I don't say breathable. Derek Scubal who has an argument for best pitcher in the game that'll start you off. Jack Flaherty is back his whole season last year, 28 starts in the regular season, 162 innings pitch and 194 strikeouts. Like the, the strikeout company that he was with in baseball are some of the best pitchers. So it's a little in old free agency, if this was 2005, I think Jack Flaherty gets the five, six year deal. People are scared a little bit from the V, they're scared a little bit from the injury spot. The option contracts have had some success. Matt Chapman, he signed the, the opt in, opt out contract. He got the full payday he was looking for from the San Francisco Giants. Blake Snell came back, did the opt out, opt in. He got the contract he was looking for. It's going to be a big year for Cody Bellinger. As we talk, if we're talking Cookie Carrasco signings, if Belly puts together an OPS that starts with an 8, his opt in, opt out contract will kind of have worked out for him. So. And Hasan Kim, actually his is an opt in, opt out. So I think it's a little disappointing if you're Jack to put up that if you told him going into last year, hey, dude, you're gonna have 28 starts, a 3, 17 ERA and 11.2 K per 9. You know, that's at his age. That's performance. That should get him 100 mil over 5 years or whatever it is. I think if he does it again, which again, is that fair to him, I don't know, he'll land closer in that ballpark, but it's got to be. It's one of the weirder things. In baseball and any sports, you get paid not for necessarily what you've done, but for what teams think you're going to do. And they're worried about injury and they're worried if anything else comes off that fastball. So it's a little tough because we're kind of close to the situation. This is a man I've broken bread with. This is a guy Trev knows personally that, yeah, I, I think if you're Detroit, I think this is a snag. Worst case for them, it's two years. The salary number next year doesn't hurt you and you can keep it moving. If you're Jack Flaherty, you need to pitch well in the next two years, whether it's this year or next year. So you have a little bit of wiggle room. And the other funny comparison that we'll know more about in a year. Lucas Giolito signed a very similar contract to Jack Flaherty and he'll be coming back for the Sox at some point this year. The former high school teammate so like it for Detroit. It gives their young guys between Mize and Montero and who are they at Jackson job, Matt Manning. Like for those young guys it gives them more ability for hey, someone's going to click this year. Someone's probably not going to click this year or get hurt. So Detroit has more depth there. They can throw the baseball. They had a nasty bullpen last year. They also added Tommy Kanely. They've had a sneaky little off season. Alex Cobb is another One of those 15 mil veteran starting pitchers that we'll get to in a second that they sneakily I think everyone thought the Tigers were going to do the big splash, the Bregman. They've added two guys to their rotation. They've added a high leverage bullpen guy and they've added Glaber who's going to be a top two hitter in their lineup.
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Justin Pennock
Pro probably as far as what you can guarantee like for sure.
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Jake
So I don't know. I think if you go if you went around and you did teams off seasons, which we probably will do at some point to add a top of the lineup guy, the top of the rotation guy, a back end of the rotation guy and then a late inning bullpen guy. Not a bad off season for a team that has a lot of young talent. They won 86 games last year and they are going to be an interesting case study because they obviously had that crazy hot stretch last year where they were doing pitching chaos so they didn't have the starters. They're going to be a fun watch this year and if they have a couple young guys click the Tigers can be for real. So like the Jack Flaherty signing for them. I think a little unfortunate timing for Jack Flaherty but if he pitches well in the next two years he'll get he'll land around probably what he was expecting to get. So and hey he's going to somewhere he's had success. Like it's he's not going to a crazy hitters ballpark. He's not going to be working with like new coaches or a new organization. He doesn't know. Like sometimes that's how free agency goes. Like who knows some of the offers Pete Alonzo's gotten. Like I think Pete wants to be a Met. Maybe Pete has a couple other places he's okay landing but he's probably getting offers from some teams he's not that into. I don't know if Pete wants to be a Blue Jay. Maybe he does so to go to a familiar place, get a decent bag like I think the 25 mil a year makes Jack a top 10 paid starting pitcher for next year technically like sometimes we get so lost in the funny money that it's like hey man.
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Justin Pennock
For this year this is not bad.
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Jake
I know that's not the seven year deal you wanted but that's pretty damn good. But maybe that's not the fair scale to look at it on. The other one that dropped Max Scherzer to the Toronto Blue Jays 15 and a half mil. The chase of him and Verlander for career strikeouts is a fun old man game this year and Scherzer gets just a little bit more money. Might have cared about that might not have for Toronto I have this as a massive win. It's one year Max Scherzer sure you're talking father time and some injuries. His stats the past two years have looked pretty consistent. You get to add Max Max Scherzer to your team for a year for low risk he slots in as their four or five starter Gossman, Barrios, Bassett, Scherzer, Bowden Francis who really broke out at the end of last year 13 stars to the tune of a 33 era very righty. I always find that weird but you have a rotation it's in their final year of trying to keep flatty they signed Santander I would love if they get in the Pete Alonso business with one of those opt out contracts that might be a win win for both sides because if Toronto wants to be involved they have to do more. The a stacked the Yankees are still really good. Boston is going to be a step better. The Rays are going to raise in a big way this year they got some pitching back they had no Mcclanahan last year they had some guys come back during the year last year a lot of them is going to be around junior common arrow and how much other hitting and help can they get throughout and the Orioles are supposed to be in there like golden era of baseball that right now Toronto has a an AL east problem that a funny game and we played it briefly on talking baseball is like Toronto and Detroit's roster side by side if you had to pick one in a vacuum like not have not knowing the divisions it's interesting. It's interesting like I don't think the pitching is that far off. I mean you have scubal who's the bad man for Detroit and they've got options to click for Toronto. It almost feels like it should be a safer rotation but last year it kind of wasn't it landed middle of the pack. And then you have one of the worst bullpens in Toronto last year versus one of the best with Detroit. So I don't know, it's kind of an interesting exercise. Like if you start writing down the best players, like okay, so Vladdy Bichette, Santander for Toronto, that's pretty good for Detroit. Is that Riley Green, Carrie Carpenter, Glaber, Matt Veerling? I don't know. It's. It's an interesting exercise to run at home that if. If the Toronto Blue Jays roster was the Detroit Tigers roster, would you like them more? Less the exact same? I don't really have my answer. Part of me slightly leans Toronto, but I think that might just be east coast elitist. Which brings up where's Toronto and Detroit on a map because they're both. I think a lot of the world considers them kind of east coast, but I also don't. Anyways, well, geography there. I need Toronto to do more and it's kind of unfair because they're off season all in. We're starting to get all in off season time. Like Andres Jimenez, if he hits, if he has a.700 OPS, he's like a six war player. So they added him like they added Santander, who's kind of the opposite. You're going to get the offensive production, but you might not get anything else along with adding Max Scherzer and Jeff Hoffman on the back end of their bullpen, hopefully to stabilize things back there. So Toronto in a way has had a bit of an off season. It's just Detroit signed Jack Flaherty and the conversation with them is can Detroit win the Central? Toronto signs Max Scherzer and the conversation with them is are they last place in the AL East? So again, there's some division. How would this actually line up if Toronto, If Toronto and Detroit played a hundred times, I don't think it'd be far off from 50. 50. I think those teams are on pretty similar planes and I don't know which fan base gets more mad about saying that. Just got a text from one of my buddies. I don't text a lot. Who is a Yankee fan who just said Carlos Carrasco? Lol. Yeah, big time again. That'll be fun for spring training. Hassan Kim signed with Tampa, shoulder injury. Let's see how long he's out for. Is it May 1? Is it June 1? Is it July 1? A very razy type player can pick it with anyone in the world. He can hit enough that he had one Massive year in San Diego and a couple solid years in San Diego. So interested, will he become trade bait for them? Where are the Rays going to be when Hasan Kim comes back? Will they be a couple games above.500? Will they be a couple games under.500? The Rays got a lot of pitching. A lot of pitching. Watch. The Rays are starting to make me a little nervous for this season. Hasong Kim, he's a fit on any team. That's the beauty of it. And I think that contract without a shoulder injury, which again, he has the opt out that he's probably hoping to come back for half a season and ball out and chuck up the deuces, he could have gotten a sneaky amount of money that he may get next free agency if he comes back and he's healthy. But he also has that insurance year that I don't know. I know those contracts you'd rather have the guaranteed money and the guaranteed years. I get that. As a consolation, these opt out contracts, I really don't think if you're a quality enough player to get 15mil a year, the odds of you having a good season in two or three seasons feels high to me. But I understand the obviously risk that comes with that. I remember a young me and John Boy had a terrible fake argument over getting the buy in fantasy baseball. And Jimmy was like, I don't care. Like why would you care about that? And I was like, well, it's the risk of losing. If you have a buy, there's zero risk of losing.
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Justin Pennock
It's literally a pass to the next.
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Jake
Round where if something freaky happens, you, you could lose Dick Lovelady, Toronto, the other one, Estevez. Sure. One of the best relievers on the market. Kansas City with a sneaky Estevez and Erseg on the back end. The killer ease, you can take that. That's stolen. They've got a ton of different lefties that like one or two of their lefties is going to figure it out in the bullpen. And they got a couple other options down there. Hunter Harvey just burped a little bit, forgetting who else. John Schreiber they traded for before the season last year that I think the Royals can really pitch and I. The AL Central has some weird blinders on. Cause it's like, well, can every team pitch or can nobody hit? How does that work? I don't know. I. I think I'm buying Royal stock. I think I'm buying more Royal stock than Tiger stock. I don't know if that's right. Currently I'd have to think about it more, but I really like Kansas City's rotation options. I really like the back end of their bullpen. And maybe this is really dumb. Hopefully this is how sports still works. Bobby Witt feels like a difference maker coming off a 10 war season. Jonathan India on the Royals, one of the first transactions of this off season. So, yeah, hey, Royals trying to make a former weakness of strength in the back end of their bullpen. Lucas Erceg, one of the breakout players of the past year, two in the bullpen. And Carlos Estevez, just a moose of a man. 2, 4, 5 ERA last year, 55 innings, 26 saves. So, like that for them. There's a lot more. You heard the sadness in me about Jorge Polanco, because if he had signed with the Reds or the Yankees, I think I'd be buying Jorge Polanco stock. But he signed with the place that had an article come out that said maybe hitters can't hit here. Don't love that. There were some other ones. You know, Adam Kennedy, we're going to get to. I mentioned Tommy. Yeah, Me, Adam Frazier. I keep calling him Adam Kennedy.
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Justin Pennock
Might as well, right? No offense.
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Jake
Although Adam Kennedy had some big boy years.
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Justin Pennock
It's a compliment.
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Jake
I hated his batting stance whenever. Whenever the. Whenever they were playing the Halos, I was just like, I don't like this.
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Justin Pennock
I just don't like looking at that.
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Jake
Just don't like this. Honestly, the big news news from the sports world, which I know it's not why a lot of y'all, y'all run here to talk about it, but it was like, news news because it's a historic NBA trade.
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Bobby Bones
Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirrorball trophy from Dancing with the Star. So where else are you going to find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? Based in Nashville, we're more than just your basic NFL show. We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything because we got lots to say. I texted you, and you text texting me back. Now, I don't know if you have the update, but, like, all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff, like, it's all colored. They changed it and the heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm gonna be honest. It was a little pink.
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Matt Castle
There was something sentimental when you like.
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Jake
When you send it, it was like.
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Katherine Legg
Do I send the heart? Now?
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Bobby Bones
I don't like the color edition.
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Matt Castle
It's extremely pink.
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Bobby Bones
Listen to Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Chris Rose
Hey, you guys, I'm Katherine Leg. I'm a racing driver who's literally driven everything with four wheels across the planet. And I've got a new podcast. It's called Throttle Therapy. This season, I'm gearing up to make history, competing in some of the world's most notorious racing events, starting at the Indy 500. Join me as I travel from racetrack to racetrack in my quest to continue a memorable career in racing. I'm also going to bring you inside stories with legends of sports, new faces from the next generation of auto racing, and conversations with the people who've supported me throughout my career. We'll be getting into everything from karting to nascar, even Formula one. Whether you dream about being a pro athlete or an astronaut, we're talking about what it takes to make it. Listen to Throttle Therapy with Katherine Legge, an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You, you can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Jake
Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.
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Julie Stewart Banks
What's going on, everybody? This is Justin Pennik from John Boy Media, the host of the Football Today podcast alongside Bobby Skinner and Chris Rose. We're rolling three times a week, on Mondays, on Wednesdays, on Fridays, breaking down everything you need to know about the NFL. We're talking about the MVP race. Is Josh Allen going to pull it out? Lamar Jackson? Can Saquon Barkley even break the rushing record? Can the Steelers keep up their momentum? We talk about everything, we break it down. Stats, analytics. And of course, Chris Rose is bringing his perspective on being a pro in the media world as well. Listen to football Today on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your your podcasts and you will be glad you did. Hope you could join us for the postseason run.
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Nate Thompson
It's Julie Stewart Banks. I'm doing a new podcast from iHeart Podcasts and the National Hockey League, and I'm paired up with one of my favorite players, the always quotable Nate Thompson.
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Matt Castle
I wore nine NHL sweaters and I have story after story to share. And believe it or not, I have plenty to say, and not just about hockey.
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Nate Thompson
Believe me, he does. Energy Line with Nate and JSB is the name of the podcast and it's going to be quite the ride. We're officially linemates, Nate. We're the energy line.
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Matt Castle
We'll have plenty of folks join us, current players, some of my former teammates, hall of Famers and wait to see some of the connections that Julie has. She has quite the Rolodex.
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Nate Thompson
Okay. We'll lean into Nate's playing experience and tap into our interests away from hockey and try to do what energy lines are supposed post to do. Provide an emotional boost. How do you feel about all that, Nate?
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Matt Castle
I'm vibing Julie. I'm ready to roll.
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Nate Thompson
Listen to Energy Line with Nate and jsb Starting on February 4th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Jake
Luka Doncic in the middle of the night shipped out to the Lakers for Anthony Davis. Max Christie in a first round pick. Maxi Kleba. Going back the Utah got involved. Some funny tweets about that. I like the Danny H. Just getting involved in every trade like a crack addict, man. This was historic. I. I want to say it was pretty cool. Well a. It was cool seeing like Twitter still works like that sometimes Twitter needed a night like that. The inner the Internet, 24 hours like that. Yes.
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Katherine Legg
The.
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Jake
The Internet just ran so hot to trot and it's one of the biggest NBA players to be traded ever. It's one of the NBA players trade in their prime ever. And I think the thing that got everyone. It just. It was a pure surprise. There was no speculation. There's normally that's what the NBA is good at is like the drama and the build up like Jimmy Butler was trying to do it. There were some funny tweets about that that I think. I think it was worldwide wob. That post. He's like Jimmy Butler's gonna have to crash a cruise ship to get this kind of attention. That yeah, it was for an NBA.
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Justin Pennock
Trade of a superstar. Two superstars really, with no request. Like what? Like sometimes we've gotten like, oh yeah. He asked a few weeks ago. Said like I won't resign, whatever. Like nothing. Like for the star to get surprised by this on both ends.
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Jake
There was.
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Justin Pennock
It hasn't happened in a very long time.
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Jake
There was no drama. That almost led to more drama in the fact that there was no build up for it. The Internet is now cranking. There's so many theories because on surface level it just doesn't make sense for a player like Luca to be Traded. I know Mikhail Bridges has been getting brought up because I think there was five first round picks in that trade. What's the other one everyone keeps referencing?
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Justin Pennock
There was Rudy Gobert was five Go bear.
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Jake
It is ignoring Anthony Davis, which has been over ignored to a degree. Like I was laughing. I shout out to Rosillo and Simmons like they, they went live when it happened. It's, it's kind of cool. We, we do that for baseball. They got basketball. And the fact that those guys who, you know, legends, they, they still get that juice of going live, that was pretty cool. Like Bill Simmons was like, you know, I had Lucas number four on my NBA trade list that just came out and Anthony Davis was number 11, I think so again, I know NBA works differently. Like the top six in the NBA kind of really normally control the league and that's that next six also still really good. But it's just there's levels to this I would say. But yeah, I. It's what don't we know? And there's every theory in every direction is going. Did. Do they actually really hate Luca and think he's going to be a fatty? That's kind of insane to me. Do they just dislike Luca and they don't think it's going to work and they see a Joel Embiid turn coming or something? That's crazy. He's 25 and there hasn't really been signs of that. Are the new owners scared to actually pay anyone money? That would be the craziest for me. In a league that has like essentially a floor and a ceiling. You're gonna pay someone. Why not? Why not pay the 25 year old superstar? Are they trying to move the teen like that rumor's coming out now that we don't know what we don't know. The only original theory I came up with is that like Luca really wants to be in Miami or New York or he wants to be like Jordan number two and go to Chicago or something. That they would trade him knowing he's gonna leave in free agency in a year and a half, which then it would be on the Lakers due diligence side to be like how did this happen? They didn't shop them. They didn't shop them.
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Justin Pennock
Like even if it came down to like the Mavericks are dying for AD and it seems like they genuinely like targeted him, they think his value not far off from Lucas and Simmons list would say he isn't for that far off. But even if that's what you want, like the Lakers had two tradable unprotected picks. And they didn't get both of those. They didn't get like the young. You can play them right now, guys.
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Katherine Legg
Really.
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Jake
Right?
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Justin Pennock
All, all due respect, Max Christie, but Lakers have a couple interesting movable young pieces that like it doesn't make sense to not shop it around. Say it to many other teams and get the very most you can. Even if you know in your heart like we're doing this Lakers trade for reasons xyz.
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Jake
Every trade crazy. The non shopping thing is bizarre to me. It's just tough to fathom what that would be out about in any, under any circumstances. Again, it feels like the, the true story is untold here and maybe the Dallas GM who people had liked his moves up into this point, maybe he just really thinks he knows ball and that they think they're going to have the best defense with Anthony Davis and that's the solution. Either way, value wise, it doesn't make sense why you wouldn't get more picks. I don't know. The, the last time a trade happened like this was kind of Rudy Gobert and the Timberwolves got killed.
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Justin Pennock
Like in like when you say like this, you mean like with one team just getting killed.
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Jake
Like the reaction was so negative. Like the fact that they got Rudy Gobert wasn't the story. It was the fact they got fleeced. Like to give up that many picks. Like people, Walker Kessler was in that trade that they were like, I don't know. Walker Kessler gets you 80% of Go Bear and now you've got five first round picks. Like everyone was like, what is this deal? What is happening here? And then the Timberwolves had their best time playing basketball that the Minnesota Timberwolves have ever had. I know it ended up falling short, but I don't know. I'm interested to see the next steps with Dallas and all this because the Lakers step is the Lakers step. Like I know it drives the Boston guys nuts, but the Lakers gone. Lakers stars are going to end up there. Their team is at la. They're like the most famous NBA franchise in the world. Things are going to work out for them. It was funny listening to Simmons roll through it and he started in the 60s with Wilt, like, okay man, love it, but I don't have that in my bag. Let's see. Maybe Dallas has a master plan, maybe they don't. Maybe there's funny business involved. I have no idea. I'm excited for the rest of the story to come out, but it was a fun day to be A sports person and just like, yeah, I'm. I'm unfortunately the king of group chats. No shout out to. No shout out to Jess's mom, who just starts random ones weekly. Hey, we just upgraded our fireplace. Do not put me in that chat.
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Justin Pennock
Certainly don't start a new one.
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Jake
I don't know. 8 out of 10 numbers in here and they're just your friends. But no, I mean, she think they're sending individually? No, no, she's starting a party every time. But yeah, I mean, there was four or five group chats cranking on this trade. And yeah, I still feel like there's just a don't know factor that I. It's hard for me to believe that. Okay, I guess it's not hard for me to think Mavs just, like, hate Luca. That relationship broke up. But no, it still doesn't make sense. Why would. If they hated Luca, why would they not shop around for the best package?
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Justin Pennock
You still get the best package.
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Jake
Why would they trade them to the Lakers? Like, unless they're all bought in on AD being a full blown. The star that people used to kind of talk about AD being which. He has these moments. But I saw, like, I was reading an article and they called him Anthony Street Clothes Davis, which I was like, whoa, should I be reading this article? Seems. Feels mean. So I stopped reading that article. I don't know. It's. It's where the NBA still wins. They have true stars. Luka Doncic is like an international star. Anthony Davis has a TV show coming out that. Yeah, I know. For the NBA that's been struggling with their day in, day out, watch this game. Who's playing? Does it matter playing? Adam Silver's talking about shortening the games. The NBA has this in their back. Like, the NFL doesn't have this. The NFL doesn't have this. This is drama. This is gossip. This is, ooh, spill the tea. Like, what is the story? Is Luca fat? Like, that's. That's one of the rumors with this. The NBA has stars and international power that is tough to match. Baseball has the regional thing going on, and we'll see if we can make stars, and maybe they don't need. Need to make stars, and then NFL is just king the world. I don't know, watch spike ball or blitzball or something like that. So that was fun. That was just. As a. As a sports fan, hard to not enjoy that one. Speaking of enjoy football, let's talk some super bowl with Justin Panick and with DraftKings. Super Bowl 59. It's this weekend. It's happening. We'll be down there, and we're doing some stuff with DraftKings. And it's the perfect time to get in on the action with the DraftKings sportsbook is right now. All new customers will get $200 in bonus bets after just betting $5 when use code Baker. Stay in on the action. Use your $200 in bonus bets on DraftKings. Same game parlays for even bigger payouts. Or check out the touchdowns. That's what's key to hoisting the Lombardi Trophy. Or at least that's what we're about to find out. And you have a shot to score big by betting on them at the DraftKings sportsbook, the number one place to bet touchdowns. And if it's not yet available in your state, don't worry. DraftKings has their daily fantasy with a shot to win cash prizes. So download the DraftKings sportsbook app now. Use Code Bakers. That's right. Bet just $5 on any wager and get $200 in bonus bets instantly. That's Code Bakers only at the DraftKings sportsbook. The Crown is yours, ladies and gentlemen, Justin Pennock, who will be joining me in New Orleans the Friday through Sunday leading up to the Super Bowl. So we'll be able to feel the energy in the streets.
- [36:10]
Katherine Legg
You ever been to the Big Easy?
- [36:12]
Jake
I've been to New Orleans. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
- [36:14]
Katherine Legg
So you know where to go? No, never.
- [36:17]
Jake
So we'll peel back the curtain a little bit. It's. It's you, me, and our guy Kyle from socials. I guess Kyle's evolved a little bit as a human. I think his. His wife is making him eat, like, normal food. But you two, I don't want to say you have no regards for human life. I think I'm. I'm so worried about what we're going to eat.
- [36:40]
Katherine Legg
Oh, yeah.
- [36:40]
Jake
I'll just put it out on the table. I. I'm so. It's a city. New Orleans. Strength is like, food.
- [36:47]
Katherine Legg
Yes.
- [36:47]
Jake
Like, it's jazz music and food.
- [36:49]
Katherine Legg
Like, we have, like, one full day there.
- [36:51]
Jake
Do you want to eat real food? Because I've assumed. No.
- [36:54]
Katherine Legg
What do you mean, real food?
- [36:56]
Jake
Like, there's, like, nice restaurants.
- [36:58]
Katherine Legg
I want to go. I want to go where we're supposed to go.
- [37:03]
Jake
Like, that's.
- [37:04]
Justin Pennock
Frankie really wants you to tell him.
- [37:07]
Jake
You'Re looking for gumbo. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [37:11]
Katherine Legg
I guess your definition of real food and my definition of real food probably two very Different.
- [37:15]
Jake
That's the problem.
- [37:16]
Katherine Legg
I think this is part of the issue. Like you're thinking like human food.
- [37:19]
Jake
Right.
- [37:19]
Katherine Legg
I'm thinking like I want to stuff my face while I'm here.
- [37:23]
Jake
It's also like we're traveling, we're doing work stuff. We're going to be on the move that I'm. I think it's going to be a bad diet weekend for us.
- [37:31]
Katherine Legg
But it will be.
- [37:32]
Jake
That's for a lot of people with the super bowl.
- [37:34]
Katherine Legg
It's day then isn't why the big game?
- [37:36]
Jake
What. Where does it start? Pennock, you were going to quiz me on a to start what the line of the game was.
- [37:43]
Katherine Legg
Yeah.
- [37:44]
Jake
So start there. The Chiefs are favored by a point and a half and you. That doesn't pass the penic test.
- [37:50]
Katherine Legg
I was shocked to see that this was the initial line number one and it hasn't moved, it hasn't swayed anywhere. And hey, it's still still a long week. Both of these teams are relatively healthy, which is very good for them. One of the reasons why both of these teams are here is because they are relatively healthy a la Detroit Lions going down. But I want to get your thoughts and reactions because I would think that this would be at least Chiefs minus three and a half neutral field and I think that kind of matters.
- [38:20]
Jake
You're going the other way.
- [38:21]
Katherine Legg
I'm going the other way. I think the Chiefs would be favored by. I mean this is basically a pick them point and a half is a break them. So I think that's. Vegas has a lot of respect for the Eagles here. Really.
- [38:33]
Jake
If the Chiefs win by one.
- [38:34]
Katherine Legg
Yeah.
- [38:34]
Jake
It's not a pick them field goal.
- [38:36]
Katherine Legg
Yeah.
- [38:37]
Jake
Yeah.
- [38:37]
Katherine Legg
And the Eagles cover the point. Can you imagine that? But I mean this is a. You know two teams where they've played in a lot of close games. I mean The Eagles are 8 and 2 in record in close games and it's. It's like that's like the Chiefs thing. They're 11 and own record in close games this year and they're like undefeated in their last X amount of games over the last how many years of their records in close games. That's kind of what they do. So what did you have a reaction like I did when you first saw this line being like this is close.
- [39:04]
Jake
I guess zooming out and zooming back in. I've liked the Eagles for a little while. I went so this over the course of this football season kind of leaving the Chiefs as a blank space.
- [39:17]
Katherine Legg
Taylor Swift, no pun intended.
- [39:20]
Jake
I like the Ravens early on this year, when they were running the ball and just dominating, I was like, this is unstoppable. I forget which game it was, but they lost me. They. They. I. I came off the hook. I. I forget it's like their third loss or their fourth loss. I was just like, something's in not fully there. I think maybe Kyle Hamilton got hurt that game. And I was like, wait, how much of this defense depends on Kyle Hamilton? They ended up moving him to safety, and that was for better or for worser. But also, the AFC was stacked.
- [39:54]
Katherine Legg
Yeah, it's a thing.
- [39:55]
Jake
So then I audible to the Chiefs because, sure, Derek Henry can put up that two bills on you very easily. I genuinely think. I genuinely think this in my heart of hearts. If the Eagles ran the ball every time, they'd be fine. I genuinely think that. That they ended up landing back in their sweet spot. When The Eagles were 2 and 2, they became like a Hertz passing team for a little bit. And that was so bizarre to me. Like, Hertz is. We've talked about this a little bit. Hertz's accuracy impressed me. The. The year he broke out, I was like, wow, he can drop it in the bucket with the best of them.
- [40:36]
Katherine Legg
Everything worked.
- [40:38]
Jake
And that's the whole secret. They run the ball. They're unstoppable on third and short and fourth and short. They've got the best offensive line. They now have the best running back with Hertz. That. Okay. If you do everything to stop that. All right, good luck going man to man on devonte and AJ Brown. Your guy got her that whole story. But yeah, that is the Eagles formula that they. Whatever happened, they reminded themselves of that and they are back.
- [41:09]
Katherine Legg
That.
- [41:10]
Jake
I guess with all of that being said, the fact that the Chiefs are back.
- [41:14]
Katherine Legg
Yeah.
- [41:14]
Jake
They've won two Super Bowls. They have the bad man at quarterback. They got the bad man at head coach. Those are the two differences. Like Andy Reid and Sirianni. I know Sirianni's regular season stats are incredible. Andy Reid I hold in a much higher class.
- [41:30]
Katherine Legg
Right.
- [41:31]
Jake
Jalen Hurts and Patrick Mahomes. This isn't also necessarily shots fired because we're talking about. Mahomes and Reed are two guys that are going to be top three at their position.
- [41:42]
Katherine Legg
Yeah, they're. I mean, they're on the brink of doing something that's never been done in football before with the three Pete.
- [41:46]
Jake
So, like Andy's. Like Andy's kind of chasing down Belichick. Probably not overall Super Bowls, but let's.
- [41:53]
Katherine Legg
See what happens this Run. Yeah.
- [41:57]
Jake
And then Mahomes is Mahomes. And he's had an argument for the throne from the start that I think Sirianni is good for. The Eagles, they play with this weird, angry. We all hate each other. Let's use it on the field.
- [42:09]
Katherine Legg
Yeah.
- [42:09]
Jake
Everybody hates usually three of the quarters and then one quarter, you're looking at them and like, is this a good team? That. Yes. The Chief should be favored. I guess I was surprised. I thought you were going to go the other way. Like, the Eagles are a better football team. Vegas is just doing this off Mahomes.
- [42:27]
Katherine Legg
Or who is a. You can. Who is a better football team? Because maybe you can argue the Eagles are more talented. They have the edge at running back. They have the edge at receiver. They do not have the edge of quarterback. The Chiefs have the edge there. Offensive line, you definitely give that to the Eagles. The Chiefs have a guard playing tackle right now.
- [42:49]
Jake
Tight end close.
- [42:50]
Katherine Legg
Tight end close. Yeah. I would give it. I would give Kelsey because post. Post season, Travis, Super Bowl.
- [42:57]
Jake
Yeah.
- [42:57]
Katherine Legg
They were keeping him and he's had two weeks off now. We're gonna see him look like Jason Whitten be so slow that he's fast. We're definitely going to see one of those plays. That's. That's where Kelsey's at in his career. D line. I think I would still take Kansas City.
- [43:10]
Jake
I. I want to stop. I want to stop you after that offensive analysis.
- [43:14]
Katherine Legg
Oh, yeah. That he's so slow that he's fast.
- [43:16]
Jake
Cause it is. It was funny. I forget. I think it was. Aikman on one of the Eagles games was like, man, you know, how many quarterbacks would like this Eagles opportunity? You got Saquon, everybody else. Which becomes a whole hertz conversation. And maybe we'll do that later, I guess. How about this? Which defense is better?
- [43:38]
Katherine Legg
Everybody does talk about Saquon being added to the Eagles. I was like, oh, that's the big X factor. The big X factor for the Philadelphia Eagles is that they went from having the last defense in the league last year being the worst defense. Is that now that they're. I think they. They've had. They have a top three defense in the National Football League. That's why they're in the Super Bowl. Saquon Barkley is a great. You know, you put the cherry on top. They've always been able to run the ball well. And Saquon Barkley is a whole other weapon that we could talk about, but really it's which defense is better regular season wise. It's the Philadelphia Eagles. But who do I want being the coordinator for my defense in the Super Bowl?
- [44:14]
Julie Stewart Banks
Steve Spagna.
- [44:15]
Jake
Oh, here we go.
- [44:16]
Katherine Legg
That's why this game is so fascinating. Okay, here we go. That's why this game is so fascinating. These are two boring teams, Jake. In a way, yes. In a way, they're boring.
- [44:26]
Jake
Yes.
- [44:27]
Katherine Legg
I think this is going to be. I'm hoping it's going to be a good football game and I'm hoping it's not just, ah, this team is going to make too many mistakes. I'm hoping both of these teams basically virtually play almost mistake free football. And then it comes down to the end of who's going to have the ball last and can you get a stop? Can you get a strip sack? Can somebody make a play? In a moment. That's what I'm hoping the game kind of comes down to. But these two teams, Jake, they're boring. They kind of methodically go after you. Go after you. Go after you. The difference is Saquon Barkley can take the top off at any time. When typically that's what we talk about with quarterbacks. Typically we talk about the quarterback can throw the ball 40, 50 yards down the field. Now it's Saquon Barkley running the ball. So your original question was defense. I don't know, man. I love Vic Fangio.
- [45:10]
Jake
Love.
- [45:11]
Katherine Legg
He was one of the.
- [45:12]
Jake
Look at this. Spagnolo and Van.
- [45:14]
Katherine Legg
Yes. Vangio. I, we talked, we would talk about on a football today about how like that would be like he's like the Eagles X factor heading into this year. Probably the most important addition that they made to their off season, which was an incredible off season.
- [45:26]
Jake
What about. Isn't the stat out there? Mahomes is 8, 0 against Vic Vangio. Teams. Do you care about that?
- [45:31]
Katherine Legg
I.
- [45:31]
Jake
How much?
- [45:32]
Katherine Legg
I do.
- [45:32]
Jake
How much of that is bad Broncos team.
- [45:33]
Katherine Legg
He was, he was even an advisor for that for like two weeks.
- [45:38]
Jake
Right.
- [45:38]
Katherine Legg
Remember they hired him as an Advisor before that. 2022.
- [45:41]
Jake
That's one of my favorite parts of the NFL season. Yeah. When guys get ax and then they're just like, he's on the team.
- [45:46]
Katherine Legg
Yeah. Like the Eric Weddle effect. Like we're just gonna air Eric Weddle and he's gonna be around for a hot second. What team?
- [45:51]
Jake
I feel like McDaniels did that once when he got fired. That it was like, all right, he's basically offensive coordinator, but not. He's just there.
- [45:59]
Katherine Legg
Yeah. So I'm, I'm, I can't even answer this question. I didn't.
- [46:03]
Julie Stewart Banks
I can't.
- [46:04]
Katherine Legg
Because you're talking spags. Who's the man and brings pressure and does it in key situations and he throws curveballs and knows exactly what you're trying to do. But then he got Vic Vangio, who's been the man this year.
- [46:16]
Jake
Right.
- [46:17]
Katherine Legg
And he's not going to bring that pressure.
- [46:22]
Jake
So we don't have a best defense.
- [46:24]
Katherine Legg
Because they're both really good.
- [46:25]
Jake
Jake, are these the two best defenses? When you said top three, who am I. Who am I missing?
- [46:32]
Katherine Legg
The Broncos had a really good defense this year, but talent wise, they're not competing league. They're not competing.
- [46:38]
Jake
Yeah.
- [46:39]
Julie Stewart Banks
I would.
- [46:40]
Katherine Legg
The Vikings defense was legit. Legit this year.
- [46:43]
Jake
Brian Flores.
- [46:44]
Katherine Legg
But I, I would put, you know, numbers wise this year. Like if you want to look at the numbers, it's. The Chiefs didn't have like that top. Are they even top 10? Any.
- [46:54]
Jake
So how about this.
- [46:56]
Katherine Legg
But they are. They just are a really good.
- [46:57]
Jake
Let's say it's the top two defense 1A, 1B.
- [47:00]
Katherine Legg
Yes.
- [47:01]
Jake
So then it goes back to the offensive side of the ball where you essentially listed. Everything tilts the Eagles way except the.
- [47:09]
Katherine Legg
Quarterback, which is huge. It's huge.
- [47:12]
Jake
Just the big one.
- [47:13]
Katherine Legg
Yeah.
- [47:16]
Jake
And I mean if we're getting into play calling. Sirianni versus Reed again, if you're a Sirianni hater or not. It's Andy Reid on the other sideline that, you know, I think it's. It's funny when you start winning, some of your previous losses look better. Like Andy Reid's Philadelphia days look a lot better now that I think it's like, wait, was he. How much. How much was Andy doing for Donovan and Deuce. Some of the best teams ever. Not true. But. So okay, you are Vegas. You said three. So you think the defenses are so equal you can. You can barely pick them. The Eagles have a better offense everywhere except quarterback by a chunk, tight end by a little. And you're saying the Chiefs should be bigger favorites in this Super Bowl.
- [48:06]
Katherine Legg
It's because of Patrick Mahomes.
- [48:08]
Jake
Okay.
- [48:09]
Katherine Legg
Over. Over. Jalen hurts for me.
- [48:12]
Jake
Makes sense.
- [48:13]
Katherine Legg
It's. It's because of Patrick Mahomes. I trust. I trust Patrick Mahomes to be efficient. It's going to be dink and dunk. It's not going to be.
- [48:22]
Julie Stewart Banks
Well, Mahomes is going to hold on.
- [48:23]
Katherine Legg
To the ball for five, six, seven seconds and maybe he finds Justin Watson down there for 45 yards. Like that's what I'm thinking. Can maybe come. But I'm not. I'm not predicting Mahomes to sling it around the yard. I'm going to predict dink and dunk. The average shift of target is going to be low. That's what Mahomes last two, two Super Bowls basically have been because Mahomes has had to evolve as a quarterback because the godfather of the too high safety Vic Vangio defense is Vic Vangio. He's the godfather of all. He's not going to allow Mahomes to do that. So you're going to have to be perfect. And Mahomes has evolved to be so good at it, where he was so good at the explosive stuff, where now he's so good at being efficient dinking and dunking. Even though we're going to run 12, 13, 14 plays in a drive, we're still going to find a way to put seven points on the board. And I just trust that that's more sustainable for the Chiefs because everybody's waited for, you know, their luck's going to run out and they're not going to be able to keep this up. I trust that they're going to be able to keep that up since they've done that for basically the last two years. Then we're going to be waiting for a Saquon Barkley 40, 50 yard run in the second half. It's what they've kind of banked on, even though it is dangerous pushback.
- [49:38]
Jake
No, I.
- [49:39]
Katherine Legg
Cause Hertz did play very well in the championship game, and that's the one. Like, you can throw shit in my face. Because Hertz did look legit during that championship game.
- [49:48]
Jake
I don't think I'm going to do that. What about Jalen Hurts making losing the super bowl the lock screen on his phone? How important is that?
- [49:56]
Katherine Legg
It's a Stefan Diggs effect.
- [49:58]
Jake
Just watching the confetti that has landed in such a crazy place. I know the Internet's done well with those jokes, but there's. There's a guy that lost like the Cheez its bowl and was standing on the field. All right, can't do that.
- [50:10]
Justin Pennock
Kevin and I, when our softball team lost, he said, y'all get a picture of me watching them celebrate.
- [50:17]
Jake
So. Okay, that's landed in a good spot. Coaches goes to Kansas City.
- [50:25]
Katherine Legg
Yes, yes, yes.
- [50:28]
Jake
Coaches goes to Kansas City. I guess besides the obvious stuff that dictates a football game, turnovers, the one or two big plays, the Chiefs O line, being able to survive, Is it part of it? I mean, is it also just game script like in my head if, if the Eagles go up 14 to three, look out. That should be the end of the game.
- [51:01]
Katherine Legg
Look out.
- [51:02]
Jake
I think any 12 year old that plays enough Madden would be able to take that Eagles team to win the rest of the game.
- [51:09]
Katherine Legg
You got to be salivating if you're 2 6, salivating. Do you know what his first half, second half splits look like?
- [51:15]
Jake
Saquon? Yeah, not off the top of my head.
- [51:18]
Katherine Legg
No yards per attempt in the first half is 4.8.
- [51:21]
Jake
It's good.
- [51:22]
Katherine Legg
That explodes to 6.7 in the second half.
- [51:25]
Jake
It's great.
- [51:27]
Katherine Legg
Imagine touching the football and for half of the game, in all of the games that you play this year, you're almost getting seven yards per carry. Seven. That's insane.
- [51:39]
Jake
It's.
- [51:40]
Katherine Legg
He has over a thousand. 1,245 rushing yards in the second half alone this year. Didn't even get to 800 in the first half. So I mean, it's just crazy what he's been able to do. And I think that's been, it's been blown up more in the postseason because how often did you see in that Rams game, it was the second half, big run, so Philly gets gone. The splits may even be more in the postseason. So. But yeah, if, if you're the Kansas City Chiefs and you're down 14 to three and it's like, oh man, well, that, that bad, man. Two six is only. Is only getting heating up. That's a, that's a bad sign. And if you have to have Patrick Mahomes Like 35, 33, 40 attempts, that's not really the area that you want to be in.
- [52:18]
Jake
Did you hang out with Saquon? Wasn't there a thing you guys were going to meet at a camp or.
- [52:23]
Katherine Legg
A field or something DM'd? Because I, I recreated his, his.
- [52:27]
Jake
Right.
- [52:27]
Katherine Legg
His workout picture when he was kind of holding out for the Giants. So then I, you know, he had a Panther tattoo that was a new addition that nobody saw. So I printed out a picture of a panther and I put it on my chest and then I put my giant helmet on and I just recreated the picture. And then I kind of. He like retweeted it. So I was like, all right, so let's, so let's meet up somewhere and let's. Let's make some continent. And he. And in DM'd me. It's like when and where never happened. Yeah, he reached out to me.
- [52:55]
Jake
It's nice to send that. When and where. But the follow up. Yeah, that's the Tricky part.
- [52:59]
Katherine Legg
That's when it's like, oh, is Saquon Barkley. That just reached out to me. Hands start to shake a little bit. Never happened. So I saw him at the Lions training camp later that year. This was his last year on the Giants. So I'm at the Lions camp later that year. You know, he know. He. He. I don't know him, but he knows me. He. I know him. Blah, blah, blah. I'm like, when were you. When we were going to do it? Caven Point, Jersey City. Because that's where he had the football camp. And he's like, huh, Gone. There are some people that are so famous that they don't know where they're going.
- [53:30]
Jake
No.
- [53:30]
Katherine Legg
Like, where. Where do I have to go? Where do I have to be? I don't know where I am right now.
- [53:35]
Jake
Show up and be Saquon.
- [53:36]
Katherine Legg
Yeah, I. Like, I could be in Massachusetts right now. He probably had no idea where he was.
- [53:40]
Jake
It's worked for Philly.
- [53:41]
Bobby Bones
Yeah.
- [53:43]
Jake
Hey, I've got the list. I. I made a joke to you before we started recording of. Do you like George Carloftis 101 Twin Super Bowl MVP? I'm not gonna play. Do you like this odds for super bowl mvp? I guess I want to make up our own game.
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Bobby Bones
Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times best sellers, and one mirrorball trophy from Dancing with a Star. So where else are you gonna find a show with that much athleticism and football insight based in Nashville? We're more than just your basic NFL show. We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit everything, because we got lots to say. I. I texted you, and you texted me back. Now, I don't know if you have the update, but, like, all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff, like, it's all colored. They changed it, and the heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm gonna be honest. It was a little pink.
- [54:42]
Katherine Legg
There was something sentimental when you.
- [54:44]
Matt Castle
When you send it.
- [54:45]
Katherine Legg
Yeah, it's like, do I send the heart now?
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Bobby Bones
I don't like the color edition.
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Matt Castle
It's extremely pink.
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Bobby Bones
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Jake
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- [55:58]
Julie Stewart Banks
What's going on, everybody? This is Justin Pennock from John Boy Media, the host of the Football Today podcast alongside Bobby Skinner and Chris Rose. We're rolling three times a week on Mondays, on Wednesdays, on Fridays, breaking down everything you need to know about the NFL. We're talking about the MVP race. Is Josh Allen going to pull it out? Lamar Jackson? Can Saquon Barkley even break the rushing record? Can the Steelers keep up their momentum? We talk about everything. We break it down. Stats, analytics. And of course, Chris Rose is bringing his perspective on being a pro in the media media world as well. Listen to football Today on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts and you will be glad you did. Hope you could join us for the postseason run.
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Nate Thompson
It's Julie Stewart Banks. I'm doing a new podcast from iHeart Podcasts and the National Hockey League and I'm paired up with one of my favorite players, the always quotable Nate Thompson.
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Matt Castle
I wore nine NHL sweaters and I have story after story to share and, and believe it or not, I have plenty to say. And not just about hockey.
- [57:05]
Nate Thompson
Believe me, he does Energy Line with Nate and JSB is the name of the podcast and it's going to be quite the ride. We're officially linemates, Nate. We're the Energy line.
- [57:16]
Matt Castle
We'll have plenty of folks join us, current players, some of my former teammates, hall of Famers, and wait till you see some of the connections that Julie has. She has quite the Rolodex Okay.
- [57:26]
Nate Thompson
We'll lean into Nate's playing experience and tap into our interests away from hockey and try to do what energy lines are supposed to do. Provide an emotional boost. How do you feel about all that, Nate?
- [57:37]
Matt Castle
I'm vibing Julie. I'm ready to roll.
- [57:40]
Nate Thompson
Listen to energy line with Nate and jsb Starting on February 4th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Jake
Let's do a scale of 1 to 10. One being nightmare. Lose the game. Who's the guy? The onside kick that he botched it.
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Katherine Legg
Oh, sugar for the Saint. The Saints game.
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Jake
Jimmy. Isn't he married to someone famous?
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Katherine Legg
Jimmy O'Brien.
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Jake
10 being best super bowl game ever.
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Katherine Legg
Okay.
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Jake
Unmatched performance. Patrick Mahomes.
- [58:20]
Katherine Legg
Patrick Mahomes. Like what kind of game do does.
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Jake
He need to have? What do you or no, what do you expect like with it's the super bowl with the Eagles defense, like are they going to be able to run the ball at all? Like with all the factors in, I guess what, what game are you expecting from a homes? Are you expecting a 10? Are you expecting like a 7 and that's going to be enough to get it done?
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Katherine Legg
Yeah, I'm predicting like I would go like six and a half seven. Where that first Super bowl that they had in 2022, I think he had like 182 passing yards. Now he had three passing touchdowns. So that's like, okay, your box score, your QB rating is all going to be elevated with that. But he was efficient with less than 200 passing yards. And I can see a similar ish performance from Patrick Mahomes because I think that's just who the Chiefs are right now. Last year he did throw the ball 33 times and he had I think maybe over 300 passing yards. So it's like you had the. The box score sets. There was just more volume from Mahomes. But I just don't think against the Eagles and how they're going to play you defensively, I just don't think it's going to be that. So we're not going to see like a 10 out of 10 game box score wise for Mahomes, it may be really efficient, but I think overall people would land. It's like, yeah, that was a 7 performance like you said.
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Jake
Yeah. And I think again with how good this Eagles defense is, there's some plays that are going to be losses.
- [59:37]
Katherine Legg
Yeah.
- [59:38]
Jake
And throw it away or scramble for one yard or whatever. Saquon Barkley on his birthday I think.
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Katherine Legg
Chris Rose told me players that are playing on their birthday in the Super bowl are 10 and 4. All time stats exist, but don't matter.
- [59:54]
Jake
Yeah, might matter.
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Katherine Legg
Yeah. 29.
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Jake
Do you think big game?
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Katherine Legg
Yeah. Yeah, I think, I think he could have. I think he, he's gonna. If the Eagles win, he's winning super bowl mvp. It's not going to be hurts.
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Jake
It's.
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Katherine Legg
It's going to be sake one. Like he's gonna, he's gonna break one, 40, 50 yards in the second half. There's going to be a big sake one Barkley play probably will come in the second half and that's what will put them over the top because there, there is no, like, there is no other threat for explosive plays.
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Jake
A.J.
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Katherine Legg
Could. Yeah, could, but that hasn't been consistent.
- [60:36]
Jake
Right.
- [60:36]
Katherine Legg
Saquon Barkley has been the. On both of these teams, which is a crazy thing to say when you have Jalen Hurts, AJ Brown, Devontae Smith, Xavier Worthy, DeAndre Hopkins, Travis Kelce, like all these names, Saquon Barkley has been the only consistent play presence, the only consistent big play presence that's happened this year, which is a crazy thing to say when you're in the super bowl with the two best teams that the running back is providing that Jalen hurts.
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Jake
He's kind of the whole deal, huh? Like it. It. In hindsight it sounds a little dumb. Like, okay, yeah, Saquon, I expect him to be pretty damn good. Like Saquon's not going to throw up a 13 for 25 yards. Like he literally can't. Mahomes, you know he's going to. Even if they, it turns out they're slightly outmatched on offensive line or whatever. This is like, you know Mahomes is going to give you something. Jalen hurts.
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Katherine Legg
Yeah, Jalen hurts, man. If he's taking. How you remove Saquon Barkley from the, from the situation. If you have Jalen hurts, that's taking sacks. If you have Jalen hurts, that's making bad mistakes, getting you kind of behind the sticks. That's going to be the X factor here because I always view Seiko, I always view Saquon Barkley and the Eagles running game. It's almost like the cherry on top. Like I said, the second half where the, the formula is there. You mentioned the game script. It's already kind of there for you. So Saquon Barkley putting that 40, 50 yard touchdown run on the board, it's like that's how the Eagles win the game. But Jalen Hurts has got to be the bus that kind of gets you there. I'm the thing that I'm worried about. It's not necessarily even Jalen Hurts. It is Kellen Moore, future Saints head coach. That's what they're waiting on. Kellen Moore is a little predictable and Steve Spagnolo is not predictable. Right now you're going to have Manu Emano with obviously the Eagles offensive line and you know, the rushing game, which, hey, you, you know, give the ball to Saquon Barkley every time and see what happens. Give the ball to even Kenny Gainwell when Saquon Barkley needs to come out of the game and just see what happens. Throw some screens here and there, but if you're going to get to Jalen Hurts, dependent Steve Spagnolo is going to make you make some mistakes. He's going to put the quarterback on the ground and then you're going to play a game that you don't want to be playing.
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Jake
The Eagles. Hertz and Sirianni may have rope a doped us and we may have seen that last week against the Washington football team because everything we're saying about Jalen Hurts is, you know, how good the Eagles are. Is he the weak link, blah, blah, blah. Jalen Hurts hasn't thrown an interception since November 10th.
- [63:18]
Katherine Legg
It's pretty damn good.
- [63:20]
Jake
Before that, he hadn't thrown an interception since September 29th.
- [63:24]
Katherine Legg
It's pretty good.
- [63:25]
Jake
So over 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 games. He has one interception.
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Katherine Legg
The only thing that I get worried about is the sacks. It's the only thing I get worried about.
- [63:38]
Jake
That's fair. Washington against the Rams.
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Katherine Legg
Yeah, that's. That's the thing where I think the Rams did a very, very good job of like, you're, you're even. They're even bringing corners, they're bringing pressure. They're not necessarily bringing like five, six, seven guys constantly, but they're rushing four, but they have two guys dropping back and you're bringing corners and safeties and just we don't know where we're looking and that has been. If there's one bugaboo with the Eagles offensive line, it's not their talent, it's the. Where are we? You know, this is Jason Kelsey leaving too. Where are we going to pick up our shit? You know, who's going to be able to call the. Jalen Hurts has done a much better job of calling that out compared to last year. But I look at that seven sack game against The Rams being like, I think that is something the Chiefs can replicate.
- [64:24]
Jake
Are you taking the Chiefs?
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Katherine Legg
I. I have to for my own mental health.
- [64:28]
Jake
Yeah.
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Katherine Legg
I can't. I can't have number number one. I went to that Eagles Chiefs game. Joe's, McFly and I, we went to that Eagles. The Eagles Chiefs.
- [64:40]
Jake
Why'd you go to that Super bowl again?
- [64:41]
Katherine Legg
DraftKings. DraftKings. So why? Why, why?
- [64:46]
Julie Stewart Banks
Oh, because.
- [64:47]
Katherine Legg
Because you allowed me to.
- [64:49]
Jake
Why?
- [64:50]
Katherine Legg
Because you were.
- [64:51]
Jake
Get it, you're preparing a marriage against the spread lady. I couldn't go because it was a week before my wedding.
- [64:57]
Katherine Legg
Yeah. Yeah. Which I wasn't.
- [64:59]
Jake
Joe's one.
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Katherine Legg
Yeah.
- [65:02]
Jake
Joe's goes, you want to tell the people about that trip at all?
- [65:05]
Katherine Legg
Joe's had a biblical sleep. That was the biggest thing that stuck out. He had like a 14 hour 15.
- [65:10]
Jake
Update I got from potentially my first super bowl trip. Maybe the only opportunity I'll have to go to the game because I'm not going to the game this year. The update I got was Joe slept for like 20 hours straight.
- [65:23]
Katherine Legg
It was biblical.
- [65:25]
Jake
And Justin, what did you do?
- [65:27]
Katherine Legg
I went into a hot tub, had a Mountain Dew, smoked scar. That's what I did.
- [65:35]
Jake
Either my dream trip or my nightmare trip. I guess I'll find out more soon.
- [65:41]
Katherine Legg
Who you go with? I have to go with the Chiefs. I just have to.
- [65:45]
Jake
Yeah. I mean, me and BBD have a little bit of a rule that it's like when. When there's dudes like this that are dude. And it's almost. Why. Why go against it?
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Katherine Legg
Do you root for, like, dynasties and like, are you like. Nah, I want to see different winners.
- [66:02]
Jake
I'm surprisingly indifferent against it. I still. Where I'm. I found out I'm in. I don't know if it's the minority. I still enjoy reading Mahomes like the world has turned.
- [66:15]
Katherine Legg
Oh, yeah.
- [66:16]
Jake
On Pat in a big way. And the foul baiting, I've said it before, that's unreal and that can't happen. And that's insane and that stinks. I still like, Mahomes has lost a little bit of his shine because they don't have, like, prime Kelsey. They don't have Tyreek Hill. Like, they don't do the big crazy plays. That. That was kind of what Mahomes was built on. So I think losing that shine, people hating successful people, has ended up being a crazy formula that I think we're going to look back in a couple years and say it's going to be one of those dumb sports Arguments that are the best. Like, I think these past couple years are going to be Mahomes. Like Chef's kiss of work. Of like, wait, old DeAndre Hopkins was running around back there, Kareem Hunt.
- [67:08]
Katherine Legg
Because they're still going to get better, upgrade the offensive line. And you're still looking at that receiver room being like, they need work.
- [67:15]
Jake
And so I don't know. At the same time, I've. I've had the Eagles as my super bowl champs. All they've done is win outside of the last game of the season, which they didn't need to earn.
- [67:28]
Katherine Legg
They didn't even play their starters. They sat say, no, they won the last.
- [67:32]
Jake
Or excuse me, I was there. I was there for the Washington game that they got their redemption on. You know, I think it's one of those funny moments when it's like, all right, you gotta do it and put Noodles life on the line or whatever it is.
- [67:48]
Katherine Legg
Don't do that.
- [67:50]
Jake
I'd go cheese. Like, I. If I go down and the Eagles are one of the most, like, dominant, nasty teams in NFL. Like, we can get any third and short, any fourth and short. We can. We could run it every play and win. I truly believe that the Chiefs are.
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Katherine Legg
Also kind of like that too, except they don't have a Saquon bar run. But they did. I pretty sure at one point in the. And what point in the year they led the league in the most boring stat possible. They led the league in plays between four to nine yards. Total plays of four to nine yards. Four times three is 12. Okay, first down, first down. First down, first down. Because it's what they do too.
- [68:30]
Jake
If I'm going down, I'm going down with Reed and Mahomes. I agree and not hurts and Sirianni.
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Katherine Legg
That's why one and a half is crazy to me.
- [68:42]
Jake
I don't think it is. Because I think. I think if this wasn't the Super Bowl, I think, give me the Eagles. Like, if this is just a normal football game, I think the Eagles are the better football team. But, like, Andy's going to have some plays up his sleeve. Pat's going to pull some stuff out. Spagnolo is going to have some stuff out. I don't know. I don't know what Sirianni is going to have. Every time it seems like he has something, it's something I don't like. Know what I like? Handoff. Saquon.
- [69:19]
Katherine Legg
Go, go.
- [69:21]
Jake
Hey, it's third and two. They should get every third and two they've ever come across and it should.
- [69:28]
Katherine Legg
Just be too special.
- [69:29]
Jake
They should get every third and three they've ever come across. Do you know how insane that is for an NFL team?
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Katherine Legg
Just no thought.
- [69:36]
Jake
That's nuts.
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Katherine Legg
Yeah, I would sometimes rather like a third and six because at least it's like, all right, well, we have to throw the ball here. But like a third and three for a normal NFL, it's like, oh, do we run? Do we throw down? It's like they, they don't have to think about it. No thought. If you don't get it on third, well, we'll get it on fourth because we'll probably cut it in half anyway.
- [69:57]
Jake
I don't know. I. Yeah, for some reason, I do have a little Sirianni like, dislike in me.
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Katherine Legg
I think Philadelphia also has Sirianni dislike.
- [70:08]
Jake
Everyone kind of does. That's the weird thing. Kind of like works for the team.
- [70:14]
Katherine Legg
So you have a coach that you're winning in spite.
- [70:16]
Jake
I don't know. I still, I still enjoy reading Mahomes and when the super bowl starts, I will be rooting for that. Or like, dude, can you. If in that fourth quarter with a minute 45 on the clock, the Eagles punt it and Mahomes and them need a touchdown. You still believe?
- [70:34]
Katherine Legg
Oh, yeah. Down by four. Yeah. All right. They're gonna, they're gonna do it.
- [70:38]
Jake
Old, older Kelsey. Excuse me. Xavier Worthy, DeAndre Hopkins, red zone.
- [70:47]
Katherine Legg
They all kind of do what they need to do. DeAndre Hopkins is still a dude. He's not that. He may not be that dude. He's still. I think he's a threat in the red zone. I think that's where, you know, hey, the crafty, crafty veteran can win and get open, get separation. Xavier Worthy, you're going to put him in motion before the snap and give him a running head start.
- [71:07]
Jake
Right.
- [71:08]
Katherine Legg
Because nobody's going to catch him. If you look at his, his spray chart of how he kind of catches, you know, the next gen stuff, it's just lines that are going across the field and it's very. And it's very fun.
- [71:17]
Jake
He's fast. He's going to do that.
- [71:19]
Katherine Legg
Here's. Here's my wish for them. Okay, Pacheco, unless we get hot cream, Hunt should be going.
- [71:31]
Jake
Checo's been off this year, has not.
- [71:32]
Katherine Legg
Been same since post injury. So Kareem Hunt's like feeling it.
- [71:36]
Jake
Yeah.
- [71:36]
Katherine Legg
I mean, you've had two weeks, so we'll see. But that, that's a little bit of a worry. It's like, oh, Pacheco this is our guy. This is our RB one. He's. He's done it in the Super Bowls before. If we're relying on him a little too much, give the ball cream hunt.
- [71:48]
Jake
Yeah, I guess those early Pacheco carries will be interesting.
- [71:51]
Katherine Legg
If.
- [71:51]
Jake
If he comes out and he has two of those, like, madman carries, it's like, okay, that changes the equation just a little bit. Just still running, tackled and still running.
- [72:01]
Katherine Legg
You know, I. I compare it. Do you remember when I ran with my neck of the combine?
- [72:05]
Jake
I do.
- [72:06]
Katherine Legg
That's how Pacheco runs. Right.
- [72:07]
Jake
I've tried to forget that, but I do.
- [72:10]
Katherine Legg
So I try and compare my running style to and aad Bradshaw.
- [72:13]
Jake
What do you got coming up this week before we head to New Orleans on Friday?
- [72:16]
Katherine Legg
Boy. Yeah, we have a Football Today episode that's out on Monday, February 3rd. Probably have another one on Friday. Preview in the game trivia on JM Football. I'm working on a tier. On a tier list and a tier maker right now of MVP, Super Bowl MVPs since the year 2000. Jolly Olive did something similar on his channel, so I'm trying to work on that, too. And whatever social stuff we got going on on JM Football socials, that's what. That's what. We got a lot of. A lot of stuff happening this week.
- [72:46]
Jake
I will see you the rest of this week, and then I will see you at the New Orleans airport. New Orleans, because you're a Jersey man and I'm a city boy. Different flights. I'm excited to be down there. I'm excited to feel the Super Bowl. Yeah, especially like Super Bowl New Orleans. Like, that's. That's a thing. That's a feeling. So excited to get down there. Thank you, jp. I might even have BBD tell him about your Uncle Dan real quick.
- [73:13]
Justin Pennock
Wigan Jake is a production of Dan Patrick Productions, John Boy Media and Workhouse Media.
- [73:17]
Bobby Bones
Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirrorball trophy from Dancing with a Star. So where else are you going to find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything. Listen to Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [73:48]
Chris Rose
Hey, you guys, I'm Katherine Legg. I'm A racing driver who's literally driven everything with four wheels across the planet. And I've got a new podcast. It's called Throttle Therapy. This season, I'm competing in some of the world's most notorious racing events. Tune into my new podcast, Throttle Therapy with Katherine Legg, an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [74:14]
Jake
Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.
- [74:18]
Katherine Legg
What's up, everyone?
- [74:19]
Julie Stewart Banks
It's Justin Penick from John Boy Media, the host of the Football Today podcast with Bobby Skinner and Chris Rose. We roll three times a week. On Mondays, on Wednesdays, on Fridays, breaking down everything you need to know about the NFL. We're gearing up for the NFL playoffs. I hope you can join us. Join in with us three times a week. Listen to Football Today on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast and you will be glad you did.
- [74:49]
Katherine Legg
Hey, it's Alec Baldwin. This season on my podcast, here's the thing, I speak with musician, photographer, and philanthropist Julian Lennon. One of the really important things that happened to me with photography was I would have people write to me, people that couldn't financially afford to travel the world. And what they had all said to me is that you bring these stories to us. You bring the truth, you bring cultures that we would never necessarily know anything about. Listen to the new season of here's the thing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.