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Bobby Bones
Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirrorball trophy from Dancing with the Star. So where else are you going to find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything. Listen to Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Katherine Legge
Hey, you guys, I'm Katherine Legge. I'm a racing driver who's literally driven everything with four wheels across the planet. And I've got a new podcast. It's called Throttle Therapy. This season, I'm competing in some of the world's most notorious racing events. Tune in to my new podcast, Throttle Therapy with Katherine Legge, an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeartRadio Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
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Capital One
Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.
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Julie Swearingen
What's up, everyone? Julie Swearbinks here along with former NHL player Nate Thompson.
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Nate Thompson
We're doing a new podcast together. Here we go.
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Julie Swearingen
Energy Line with Nate and jsb.
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Nate Thompson
Each week we'll get together and talk about hockey life. All topics are fair game, right?
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Julie Swearingen
And you'll never know who will drop by to join us.
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Nate Thompson
Yeah, Julie is pretty well connected. She has text through threads going that you wouldn't believe.
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Julie Swearingen
Listen to Energy Line with Nate and JSB starting on February 4th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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AJ Stephens
$1.4 billion in NFL quarterback contracts. The untold stories behind the biggest deals in football history. I'm AJ Stephens, Vice President of Client Strategy at Athletes first, introducing the Athletes First Family podcast, the Quarterback series. My co host, Brian Murphy, Athletes first CEO, and I are sitting down with the agents who have negotiated contracts for Justin Herbert, Deshaun Watson, Dak Prescott, Tuathungavailoa, and Jordan Love. Listen to Athletes First Family Podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Chris Rose
It is Monday, February 3, 2025. This is another edition of Football Today presented to you by Captain Morgan, the official spice drama of the NFL. We are reunited. The guys are back from mobile. I am Chris Rose, Bobby Skinner, Justin Pennock, producer Connor. We're all together, even if not in the same room. All right, Bobby, the question everybody wants to know. Automobile. Does Pennock snore?
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Capital One
Yes.
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Bobby Skinner
If I slept on the top ceiling floor of our Airbnb, I would have known. Especially because they lied about being a four bedroom house. They're, they're liars. But I'm sure, I'm sure he does.
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Capital One
I bet I have very bad sleep apnea. So. Yes, I do.
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Chris Rose
Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. So how was it guys? I, you know, I gotta tell you, I don't know if you guys stayed for the actual game. The game itself usually is pretty crappy. It's just, you know, you're throwing a bunch of guys together. The game itself on Saturday was fun. It looked like all the content you guys shot was, was pretty good. How was it?
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Bobby Skinner
Yeah, we just, we didn't stay for the game but we are Jack Batch guys, so it was good to see him win the, the Senior bowl mvp. And we're gonna do a Senior bowl only mock draft on talking Janice this week and I'm gonna be ban the table as I, you know, cosplay Brian Dable for Jack.
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Chris Rose
Okay, Panic.
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Capital One
It was a lot of fun. Ton. A ton of players. Talked to a ton of players too. I would say this was like our most productive week down and down in Mobile too in terms everything that came out. So a lot of fun. Excited to see where these guys get drafted.
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Chris Rose
Did you find it? I mean there were some big name quarterbacks, not the, not the top two. Shador Sanders wasn't there. Cam Ward wasn't there. But the guys that are fighting it out for QB3, did you guys find the next great Giantsback that will soon be let go before his rookie contract expires?
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Bobby Skinner
I will say their names are big, their play not so much. No more Ole Miss quarterbacks for Big Blue.
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Chris Rose
Oh, Panic.
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Capital One
Dylan Gabriel was the most consistent quarterback even though day three he went like 1 for 6 or 1 for 5 and 11 on 11 and took molten, like somehow took sacks and seven on seven. So yeah, that tells you where the state of this quarterback class is at right now.
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Chris Rose
But don't worry, somebody's going to get hot, you know, A little less than three months until the draft up there in Green Bay, which you can see over on NFL Network if you'd like to tune in for that. All right, so we, we're going to have another show before the kick of Super Bowl 59 down in New Orleans. So we're going to get into the nitty gritty of the game on Friday's show. But today we're going to kind of have a little bit of fun, take a little more leeway with some bigger picture topics of the Super Bowl. I got eight of them in mind here, guys. Most of them are. You're going to rate on a scale of 1 to 5, give us a reason for each thing that you believe here. So we're going to start off with this, which is the easy one that the Chiefs are trying to become the first team to go back to. Back to back in super bowl history. How much do you care about this on a scale of 1 to 5, 1 being. I move on to the next topic. Rose. 5 being. I can't believe we're not talking about this enough. Bobby.
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Bobby Skinner
This gets five big booms. I mean, this is the storyline of. Of the Super Bowl. It's. It's that no team has ever done this. Right. Like, we've come on these post super bowl shows and talked about, oh, Brady versus Mahomes. Brady versus Mahomes. Is it too early? They're able to win three in a row. That's now four Super Bowls. Now he's second most, you know, tied with Joe Montana. Like, we're. And it's in this before Brady did to where now I feel like that stuff becomes a little more legit and you have. And it's a little less like, oh, let's wait and see. Let's wait and see. Like, winning three in a row without the most talented roster in the NFL is amazing. And like you said, why are we not talking about it? I'm surprised that we're not talking more about, like, this dynasty that is the Kansas City Chiefs and. And their fourth, you know, know, not just three in a row.
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Capital One
Yeah, I'm. I'm giving this five. Five big booms as well. Chris. Do you know that reference, by the way?
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Chris Rose
I don't. I like it, though.
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Bobby Skinner
The Costco guys.
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Capital One
The Costco guys. AJ And Big Justice.
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Chris Rose
I got it. I got it.
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Bobby Skinner
Oh, sorry about your brother that passed away. He gets five big booms.
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Capital One
Okay, so five. Five big booms for me. Because really, I think the closest team that did it was the New England Patriots. 2001, 2003, 2004. They're, like, kind of the closest ones to do it, but then I think the last team to really win three championships in a row, 1929, 1930, 1931. Green Bay packers and that, you know, obviously pre super bowl days. So this is just something that we're like, I'm going to be telling my grandkids when both of you are maybe here with us, maybe not. I will be telling my grandkids about the Kansas City Chiefs and how they're one of the the greatest dynasty because they were able to do it three times in a row.
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Chris Rose
Well, first of all, thanks for kicking the old guy to the curb. Secondly, the thought of you having grandchildren inhabit this planet at some point. At some point just scared the bejesus out of me. Number three. I, I do want. I'm not here to point fingers or anything, but The packers of 65 through 67 actually did it. Yeah, they won the NFL championship in 65. Then they won each of the first two Super Bowls. So we have had teams win three straight championships, just not three straight Super Bowls. To me it's a little bigger than even that. Do you guys know the last team in North American? I got to be careful with this. If I the core four sports. Thank you. Very, very good. That away, Bobby.
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Bobby Skinner
They beat my New Jersey Nets in one of those. So it's very memorable, you know.
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Chris Rose
Yeah, yeah. From the 99 season through the 02 season, they covered three seasons to win three titles. So, you know, and when you throw out Mahomes and us talking about Brady, the simple explanation will be, well, you can't put him in Brady's category because he doesn't have seven rings. Well, we don't do that in other sports. Who do we consider to be the greatest basketball player ever?
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Capital One
Jordan.
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Chris Rose
Michael Jordan. How many rings does he have?
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Capital One
Six.
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Chris Rose
He has six. Is that the most in NBA history? No, it is not. It is not. When we talk about the greatest baseball player in history, I mean usually, you know, you can kick that around. Willie Mays to Hank Aaron. Those guys don't have the most rings and it's not even close. So why is it at this point that we strictly say, well, he can't be the best quarterback ever. I mean what he has done or has a chance to do by age 29 if he wins in less than a week. Tom Brady didn't get to his second pairing of three Super Bowls until he was in his mid to late 30s. Right.
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Bobby Skinner
But it's just longevity matter. So BR. It's not like Brady just had like this peak and then of six straight in a row. And like Brady was great. Like it's hard, it's just, it's just hard to match what Brady did. It's impossible. You know, MVP Super Bowls, you know, you know, record breaking seasons. Like he was amazing. In a time of amazing quarterback play.
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Nate Thompson
He.
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Bobby Skinner
He Rose to the top consistently. So the Chiefs, but like, the only guy who we've thought that could maybe do that is Patrick Mahomes. So, you know, once you get the four, like, that's just part of it, you know, because longevity matters. To be able to do this at a, you know, consistent basis in the era of salary cap, where it's the men of those not meant to do this, right, they, they make it to where you can't do this. And they've been the one team to, you know, kick the trend of, you know, paying the quarterback and being able to get it done.
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Capital One
They also give you hard schedules too, when you, when you finish in first place and when you finish in last place, because they like, they like the polarity of it. But let me flip this on its head for one second because I think the weight. Now this is a football fan saying this about the super bowl, but Rose, you know, your, your fingers are all over sports. I think the weight of a Super bowl win is just a lot more than some of the other sports. And here's what I mean, flip this on its head. Cam Newton recently came out and said, I would rather keep my, my regular season MVP when I traded away for that super bowl victory in 2015, if that meant he had to give it away, his regular season mvp. And he said, no, I want, I want to go down as a regular season mvp. I think that's kind of crazy to be a Super bowl winning quarterback. I think that holds so much more weight even if you did it once versus like a regular season MVP as a quarterback. Now is that wrong? Is that wrong? Like, I think. But I were to say, like, in baseball, though, I think I would rather be an MVP winner in baseball and remembered for like a 40 or a 50 home run season than just being part of a World Series winning team. What do you guys think about that?
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Bobby Skinner
Well, for quarter quarterback, super bowl win means the most, obviously, yes. In the NFL. And I think Cam was probably just kind of digging in his heels. I'm like, kind of. I wouldn't change anything about my career. I think he would if he was being honest. He'd rather finish second in MVP voting that year and win the super bowl because he would be, he would be, you know, better. Better viewed, you know, be. Have a better case for hall of Fame or whatever. But the reality is, is like the thing that keeps you afloat and keeps you going to the super bowl is that quarterback position. But also like where the NBA, you don't get like guys who go get hot and get on a run.
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Chris Rose
Right.
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Bobby Skinner
You have to win four out of seven. And every series where in the NFL you just got to have one bad day and you're. And you're out of the tournament. So like you said, like you said, roast to do this for the first time, to win three in a row where you went three years in a row where nobody had just had a better day than you, I think is pretty damn special.
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Chris Rose
Yeah. And the quarterback position is so different than there is nothing else in sports. There's not even a goaltender in hockey that that comes close to it when it comes to a postseason run. You know, we still talk about Joe Flacco because he still plays, but we are going to remember one run a dozen years ago where he threw 11 touchdowns and didn't throw any interceptions in leading the Ravens to The Super Bowl 47 victory over San Francisco. We're going to remember that forever. You remember quarterbacks, you remember coaches, and that's it. And in this particular sport. So yeah, I do. I think that obviously it's that choice that you put out there. Panic is the one that, you know, we certainly understand where it's coming from. Let's move on to our second topic once again. Scale of 1 to 5, Saquon Barkley is the most important offensive player Sunday on either team. One is hell no. And five is no doubt panic.
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Capital One
Yeah, I'm giving it a five. It's, it's hell yes. He's the most important because you typically talk about. We were just talking about quarterbacks. Right. Where does the source of explosivity come, for the most part in the game of football comes from the quarterback throwing the fall ball or even the quarterback dropping back to pass and then he scrambles. And that's typically where you see these big plays of 10, 15, 20 plus yards because everything just breaks down. The Philadelphia Eagles, their source of explosive plays. And Saquon Barkley has had a season unlike anybody else in NFL history with these runs and these touchdowns that he's had a 40, 50, 60 plus yard touchdowns. He is the source of the big plays that the Philadelphia Eagles have. Now there is A.J. brown, of course there is Devonte Smith, but that's when the Eagles are really operating at their best. But no one has been able to stop over the last month and a half, two months, and since kind of like this December run, I feel like this is really when it started for the Eagles. Nobody has been able to stop the legs of Saquon Barkley. Particularly big play. Saquon Barkley. So absolutely he is the most important player on this Eagles offense for sure. So I give it. I mean, I. I'm up there at a five again.
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Bobby Skinner
I mean that's kind of crazy. You think he's more important than Patrick Mahomes.
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Capital One
On either team? Yes. Yes.
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Chris Rose
Really?
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Capital One
Yes.
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Bobby Skinner
So we're just talking about a guy being the greatest of all time and you're. And you think Saquon Bark. I disagree with that. Pretty strong.
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Capital One
Is the most important offensive player for the Eagles to be the. For the Eagles to have a shot in this. Like if Patrick Mahomes has a stat line. I'm going to read you one of his stat lines from one of his Super Bowls. 21 for 27, 182 yards, three touchdowns, zero interceptions. That was the stat line that he had in the 38 to 35 victory against the Eagles two years ago in 2022. Like I view that besides the three touchdown passes under 200 yards, it's kind of a pedestrian stat line.
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Chris Rose
Besides, besides the three touchdowns which are kind of.
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Bobby Skinner
And he played like perfectly in that game against that defense too.
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Chris Rose
Yeah.
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Bobby Skinner
Like a Shane Steichen defense or not Shane Styking, Jonathan Gan defense that was keeping up like they did. They played damn near flawlessly. Like how Jalen Hurts played damn near flawlessly outside of a fumble in that game. And the Chiefs just did more. So, so important is always a kind of a loaded word. But even within, like, even erasing that, we do like MVP versus most outstanding or whatever. I still think Mahomes is there. So I'm going to go. I'm going to go to. Because I also think the Eagles just.
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Chris Rose
Have a lot of other off.
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Bobby Skinner
Like their quarterback is really important. I think A.J. brown and Devonte Smith, what they can do in this game. Like I think there's so much. And we're just talking about offenses in this too. So I'll go with two.
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Chris Rose
Yeah, I would keep it. I hate to go split it down the middle, but I will. I'll go with a three here in part because of who he's going against. Spags has faced the NFL's leading rusher twice in the playoffs. He is two and oh against those guys. So it was the 2019 AFC title game against Tennessee held Derek Henry to under 70 yards rushing. And then last year in Super Bowl 58, Christian McCaffrey really had to work to get his 80 yards on 22 carries. So he's two. Zero. He's going to come up with some sort of master plan to have somebody else beat you. And I think that he's going to do everything in his power to make sure that it's Jalen's. Jalen hurts his arm and not his legs. So, you know, I think that there. I mean, once again, good luck with this because Saquon didn't have an enormous second half against the Rams in the divisional round until you consider those two explosive runs that he had. So other than that, they bottled him up. And then those are the. It's the one, two punch that he can deal. Also, this is a big day for Saquon Barkley. I hate to pile on my Giants buddies here, but he turns 20. Yeah, he turns. He turns 28 on Super Bowl Sunday. Players that a birthday on the super bowl and playing it are 10 and 4 all time.
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Capital One
Oh, wow.
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Chris Rose
There you go. Little nifty, Nifty thing for you.
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Capital One
But Rose, so you brought up that Barkley. Okay, yeah. He wasn't as effective until he breaks off that run, but he did. And that's what he's done. And that's what he's done. Name me another player, I would say, but maybe besides A.J. brown, name me another player on either side of the ball that you think can snap of a finger. 40, 50, 60 yard play changes the game. I don't think you can. In this matchup.
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Bobby Skinner
I don't name you A.J. brown.
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Chris Rose
Yes.
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Capital One
But Saquon's done it way more consistently than A.J. brown as of. As of late. And that's why, in terms of a level of importance, Saquon is a guy that can just change the game on a dime and do exactly what the Eagles may need in that specific game. In this specific game.
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Chris Rose
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Bobby Skinner
I'll say. I'll say four. Because I think the way he played against the Eagles two years ago is dissimilar to the way he's going to play and this game. So he's kind of done that. But I think he's gonna have to play way better than both of the 49ers games. And then obviously the, the Bucks, the Bucks loss that he had because Vic Fangio is going to, like, he is not going to make it easy on them. Like, you're going to have to play damn near perfect football to get that win. And you know, on the other side, you do have an offense that can, you know, can create those explosives in the run game with Saquon Barker like Justin was talking about and get you over the top with AJ Brown and Devonte Smith and Dallas Goddard can do damage there. You know, they have the tush push that makes them super efficient on, on third and fourth down. So just, just there's not going to be very much room for error in this game against a really damn good defense that I'll go for because I think he did a. I think he had a very similar game. Like, he's got to have a very similar game to what he did against the Eagles two years ago. I think if he plays the way he did in either the 49ers games, this, this may go down as a.
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Capital One
L. I'm gonna go with the three where his epa. Incredible EPA per play in the last super bowl against the Eagles with 95th percentile. And that's the one where he went 21 for 27, 182 with three touchdowns. But like, again, like, you look at that stat line, the three touchdowns definitely do stick out. But the, the yards being under 200, it's like, yeah, it's not really sexy. They're going to need an offense that's going to have to just stay on schedule. Where a 6.2 average depth of target for Mahomes in that last super bowl. That's the 15th percentile. I. That's kind of where the Chiefs have been over the last two years is they have to keep that average up to target low and they have to kind of stay on schedule. And I think that's kind of how Patrick Mahomes is going to need the win. And what. So why I say three, It's a little lower than Bobby is. I don't think the yards is going to be sexy. Like he threw for 333 last year. I don't, I don't think he's going to throw for 333 unless he's having to come back. Unless they're down by 10 points in the fourth quarter and they're having to come back. But if the Chiefs are playing their brand of football, which is keeping the game close and keeping that game script very close and just controlling the game, then that average at the target is going to be down, they're going to stay on schedule and Mahomes is just going to be slinging it left to right to whoever's open and he's going to be using his legs as well. It wouldn't surprise me, especially now that he has that healthy ankle. He had six rushing attempts for 44 yards and the Eagles Super bowl nine rushing attempts for 66 yards last year. I think he's easily clearing over 50 rushing yards this game.
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Chris Rose
Well, he has to get minimum over 40, which is something that he's done seven times in his playoff career. And so, yeah, to me, it's not necessarily the gaudy number with his arms, but it's, it's, it's both of those because we don't talk about Mahomes is running until he actually runs for a huge first down. Right. He did it last year. Even on the bad ankle and everything else, he's done it or, you know, in, in Super Bowl 57 with the bad ankle. So when he does that sort of stuff, then you sit there and you're like, wow. We, we, we tend not to talk about, you know, Patrick Mahomes and his running ability. We talk about Josh Allen and his running ability. We'll talk about Jalen Hurts and his running ability. But Patrick Mahomes always leaves us with some sort of memorable scramble, whether it's to continue a drive, keep the ball away from the opponent, whatever it is. So I could See him throwing for under 250 and still having perhaps his best super bowl yet. And so I'm going to have to say that it's probably a four out of five. Yes.
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Bobby Skinner
I have to say something. I have to say. I want to break the news.
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Capital One
Roses.
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Bobby Skinner
I want to break the news to Chris Rose. Miles Garrett has demanded a trade from the Cleveland Browns, and he made a statement.
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Chris Rose
But don't do that.
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Bobby Skinner
I swear. I'm not lying to you. I broke the news.
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Chris Rose
This is like Luca was traded to the.
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Bobby Skinner
It was not that big. Which, by the way, is I. I hate to be hot again. That's the dumbest trade ever in sports history, right? The Luca trade.
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Chris Rose
Yeah, that's pretty bad.
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Bobby Skinner
Well, not the dumbest trade ever.
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Chris Rose
It's not the dumbest trade ever. We can get it. Well, may perhaps the team that just had their guy request a trade. All right, what do we do about this? Oh, my God. So here's. Here's the statement that he just released. Miles Garrett. As a kid dreaming of the NFL, all I focused on was the ultimate goal of winning a Super Bowl. And that goal fuels me today more than ever. My love for the community of Northeast Ohio and the incredible fan base of the Cleveland Browns has made this one of the toughest decisions of my life. These past eight years have shaped me into the man I am today. While I've loved calling this city my home, my desire to win, compete. Biggest stage won't allow me to be complacent. The goal is never was never to go from Cleveland to Canton. It was always to compete for and win a Super Bowl. With that in mind, I requested to be traded from the Cleveland Browns. Miles Garrett. Oh, God.
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Capital One
And I had this dream of.
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Chris Rose
I had this dream before Sunday.
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Capital One
Before Sunday, I did. I did have this dream of pairing Miles Garrett with Abdul Carter and just how fun that defensive front would be. Even if the team's not good, that would be one of the more fun defensive fronts you've, like, ever seen.
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Chris Rose
Oh, my God.
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Bobby Skinner
Hey, maybe trade into the Giants, and we'll. We'll do that with pick three, so.
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Chris Rose
With Brian Burns, if you're the. But let's think this through here. If this strictly isn't a. An extension ploy, which I am hopeful that it is.
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Bobby Skinner
I don't think so.
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Chris Rose
I don't think it is either. Okay. If you. If you do that, if you trade him, where did. Like, all these teams that would love to have him, The Lions, all their picks are going to be in the twenties forever. You cannot Give up Miles Garrett, who's still in the prime of his career. He's. He just turned 29 years old in December. You can't give him up for multiple first round picks for the Lions. What the hell does that do for you?
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Bobby Skinner
Yeah, I, I would say no, because like you said, nobody, no one. That. No one's gonna, that's gonna have a bottom of the draft pick is actually, you know what, some of those teams may be willing to do that. You know, like let's. What's the team, you know, like, can you see the Falcons maybe you know, making a big splash, trade for Miles Garrett. And then they are. Their season doesn't go the way they expect. Like, I could see something like that happening.
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Chris Rose
I mean, if you're the Bears, do you trade because you've got a rookie quarterback on his deal, do you. They have a top 10 pick, you know, and not that the Bears are significantly closer to a Super bowl than the Browns, but it's. At least they're pointed in the right direction. I don't know if that would satisfy Myles Garrett, but when you're talking about a Super bowl contender, when you're talking about teams that are picking from basically 24 and back. Oh, God, what a disaster. Are you guys enjoying this?
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Bobby Skinner
No, I just wanted. On the record, I was the one who broke the news to you. Justin did not get it out in time.
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Chris Rose
Oh, my God.
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Bobby Skinner
Hey, listen, if he does, if he has an amazing year, get ready for. How did the Browns let this guy go? We've. We've had to deal with that every single year.
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Chris Rose
If he has an amazing year. What do you mean if he has.
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Bobby Skinner
I'm saying on like the big, the biggest stage. Like if he's just doing. Having an amazing year on the Cardinals, no one will care. But if he's doing it and they're winning playoff games in prime time with whatever team that he's in, then how did the Browns waste this talent? Which you guys have wasted the talent, but still.
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Chris Rose
So. And we'll get back to the Super Bowl. If you're the Browns, how do you handle this? Because this isn't about acquiescing and just giving Miles Garrett whatever he wants. I mean, the guy's still under contract for a few more years. So to request a trade in this sport, I think is a little different than we've seen in NBA circles and things of that nature. Like, this is, like I said, this is something where you're giving away a guy who's going to slip on a gold Jacket. No question. That still has a ton of good football left. You can't just give them away for, oh, three first round picks at the end of the first round. That's not going to fly well enough.
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Bobby Skinner
You would get three. When's the last time someone was traded for three first round picks?
- [27:29]
Chris Rose
Well, quarterbacks end up getting traded for three first round picks.
- [27:33]
Bobby Skinner
How much do the Browns trade for Deshaun Watson?
- [27:35]
Chris Rose
That would be three first round picks and three other picks.
- [27:39]
Bobby Skinner
Maybe you try and get those back. The issue is I can see malls. Garrett not playing. That's. That's if. Yeah, if. If he's. If he's not going to skip out on games, just say no. You know, shout out Nancy Reagan. I'm just saying no to any trade to Miles Garrett. But if he's going to miss out on games, then you kind of. And you don't think he's bluffing on that, then you kind of got to work something out.
- [28:03]
Chris Rose
All right, get back to our regularly scheduled programming. I'm gonna have to move my therapy appointment up today, guys. God damn it.
- [28:12]
Bobby Skinner
BetterHelp will let you change that around.
- [28:14]
Chris Rose
For you free of charge. All right, let's move on to this. We'll probably have to cut a question or two, but we're gonna, we're gonna keep this one because I love it. This one is that you see Eagles head coach Nick Sirianni in a much different light than you did before this season started. One is. Heck no. Five is. Yep. Sorry what I thought about you earlier this year. Nick Panic.
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Capital One
I'm going to go with the two. I. Cause I kind of don't know what I am going to give him credit for. Is great job being good friends with Vic Vangio and good job prying him out of Miami. Now that might. I think Vangio did a lot to kind of get out of Miami after. After year one. A lot of the players didn't like him. Didn't work well. Didn't work well with Mike McDaniel. It certainly seems like maybe he did it on purpose because he seems like he's always been a, a good fit with Philadelphia. I mean he was even the. He was the advisor. He was like the last minute advisor that the Eagles hired in that 2022 Super Bowl. So I, I think he's done a very good job getting a staff together. Even Kellen Moore, even though he has his flaws. But Howie Roseman just had one of the best off seasons you're ever going to see from a general manager. The two corners that they drafted. The two DBs that they drafted in Quinion, Mandrel, Cooper, Dejean are, are immediate impacts. Saquon Barkley is an immediate impact. They took a reclamation project on Makai Becton and turned him into a starting guard who was an advantage as a run blocker. I mean, so many other things that I'm not even, that I'm not bringing up, like, one of the best off seasons that you're. Zach Bond turned. It turned a guy that was. That they threw away from New Orleans into a, into an all pro linebacker. One of the best offseason you're ever going to see. So, yeah, Nick Sirianni leading this team. Good for him getting back to the Super Bowl. But I'm not totally changing my full opinion on him because the GM also did have, like I said, one of the best off seasons that we've ever seen.
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Bobby Skinner
I'm at a three because nothing has changed for me. I thought this team was extremely talented, and I thought the coordinators were the biggest upgrade that any teams had really received this offseason. And, you know, kind of our line for them was like, they're too talented to fail, even though they had failed the year before. So Sirianni has not gotten in the way of them winning similar to the way he has in the past. Obviously, the end of last year was a horrible coaching job, but you got rid of those coordinators, and you've seen Sirianni win with good coordinators. So honestly, nothing has changed with me for Sirianni. I'm not going to sit here and tell you that he's this great advantage as a head coach, but also, he has not proven to be a great disadvantage either.
- [30:52]
Chris Rose
Yeah, I'm not going high on this. It's either a two or three, because if we have a head coaching draft and we rank the head coaches. Where does he sit right now, guys? Middle of the pack at best, Right?
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Bobby Skinner
Be good to revisit what our coaching power rankings are.
- [31:09]
Chris Rose
Yeah, you want to, you want to look those up while we stall.
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Bobby Skinner
Maybe I, Maybe, maybe I will. But, yeah, I, I, yeah, I think he's middle of the pack. I think when you just, like, talk about, like, what coach would I want for my team starting up? I don't think he's ranked super high on that, but you can't put him low either.
- [31:24]
Chris Rose
Yeah, I mean, like I said, I think he's middle of the pack. Who would you rather have right now? Dan Quinn or. Or Nick Sirianni?
- [31:33]
Capital One
Oh, Dan Quinn.
- [31:36]
Bobby Skinner
Yeah, I guess I'd say Quinn, I guess, is hot right now. But Quinn was also fired, you know, not too long ago, but.
- [31:42]
Chris Rose
Right. I mean, I don't know, where's he rank in the NFC east coaching hierarchy, Right?
- [31:52]
Bobby Skinner
Our average consensus preseason was he had him 18th.
- [31:56]
Chris Rose
Yeah.
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Bobby Skinner
Rose, you had him 16th. Mm, I had him. I had him. Where'd I have him? I had him 20th and then Justin had him 18th. I guess. I don't know. Justin didn't put his in the email.
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Capital One
Wow, bad guy.
- [32:19]
Chris Rose
Yep. So there you go. We all still don't believe. And guess what? When he's sitting on the desk next to me in six days, after they win the Super Bowl, I'm going to ask him that question. I'm going to ask because he knows that he doesn't get any love whatsoever.
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Capital One
The city, I feel like, still hates him.
- [32:37]
Chris Rose
I know, it's weird, right?
- [32:40]
Capital One
There was a mini mic that went around like one of those Instagram TikTok Reels. Whatever, right? If the Eagles are going to fail in the postseason, who's going to be the culprit of it? And 75% of the answers were Nick Sirianni.
- [32:54]
Chris Rose
Yeah. All right, let's do. Let's do this. 1. Jalen Carter has surpassed Chris Jones as a more disruptive force in the NFL. One is, what are you thinking? Five is, yeah, that Carter kid is a beast. Bobby.
- [33:11]
Bobby Skinner
One. Because as much as Jalen Carter is a beast, you could say, you know, top five defensive tackle in the NFL, Chris Jones is number one. You know, he's better than him in every statistical category. I think he's better as a more consistent player in the run game as well. So Carter is amazing. It's not taking anything away from him, but it's just Chris Jones, I think is the best defensive tackle and football. I think he's better than Dexter Lawrence, better than Quinn and Williams. I don't think there's anyone that is at his level and what he's been able to do consistently. So it is a. What are you thinking? Because as good as Jalen Carter has been, even in the playoffs, I'm. I think Chris Jones playoffs have been better.
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Capital One
Yeah. And this is according to Pro Football Reference too. I mean, Chris Jones has four seasons of 28 +QB hits with 1, 2, 3 seasons of 10 + sacks, four seasons of five seasons with nine + sacks in a season. So Jalen Carter is a disruptor and one of the NFL's biggest disruptors. At one, at this point, at his stage of his NFL career, you see the double team rates. It's off the charts. It's one of the highest in the NFL. And you just, you watch the game of the impact that he has, it's there. But Jones has been that dude, Jones has been that disruptor for years. Plus, he's been able to back it up with the sacks, the hits and the tackles for loss and things like that. Carter is on his way. And typically you see like these interior defense alignment, it takes them like three years to kind of get to that level where they're producing numbers. So I'm really excited to see what Carter's year three has in store. But no, I'm. I'm with Bobby. Like, I'm around a 1 or a 2 where Carter's that dude. But Chris Jones is. Chris Jones is the OG of this.
- [34:50]
Chris Rose
Well, I'm also going to say too, only because I don't think that we can measure Carter's ability to stay in between, to color inside the lines, if you know what I mean. After just two years, like drive inside the lines. Okay, now, now, now, now.
- [35:06]
Bobby Skinner
You made it too easy.
- [35:08]
Chris Rose
He is, he's a fantastic talent. Now, as far as just playoffs, I. I seem to remember this number and I went back to his game log. It took Chris Jones 14 playoff games to register his first postseason sack. Do you guys remember that? Remember he.
- [35:23]
Bobby Skinner
Yeah, it was last year, right?
- [35:24]
Chris Rose
I think it was. It was either last year two years. No, it was two years ago against Kansas City in the AFC title game. He got two sacks against Cincinnati. Sorry.
- [35:34]
Bobby Skinner
Okay.
- [35:35]
Chris Rose
In the AFC title game. That's. He only has three and a half sacks in. I think he's played 21 playoff games. Something like that. That's pretty crazy. He did get one earlier this season against Houston in the divisional round. And we've seen what Jalen. Jalen Carter. Those last two defensive snaps against the LA Rams are probably why Philadelphia is going to the super bowl and possibly not the Rams. So he can. He can destroy time. And I think that'll be a fantastic matchup, obviously, now that Kansas City has moved to, you know, Joe Suney out to left tackle and Caliento's in there in between Creed, Humphrey and Tuney, a player Pro Bowlers and. And all pros as well. That'll be really interesting when Jalen Carter does match up right over the guard at some point during Super Bowl Sunday. All right, let's finish up. But before we do, actually, Justin Pennock, you do have a word for us.
- [36:33]
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- [37:34]
Chris Rose
All right, thank you, Mr. Penick. We will be giving our game predictions and breaking it down a little bit more footbally later in the week on our Friday edition of Football Today. But we'll finish with this little fun one. It's a pretty good celebrity fan matchup between these teams. Chiefs. You got Jason Sudeikis, Paul Rudd, Eric Stonestreet, and I keep hearing that Taylor Swift is a Chiefs fan. I can't confirm it. The Eagles have people like Kevin Hart and Bradley Cooper, Mike Trout, Miles Teller. They're all in a single team suite. You can only hang out in one penic. Which one are you going to? Eagles fan or Chiefs fan suite?
- [38:19]
Capital One
This is tough because you can have. Bradley Cooper can make you cheesesteaks.
- [38:23]
Bobby Skinner
Do you think he's making those in a suite?
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Capital One
Yes, I would. I would ask him to. I'm going with the Chiefs because the trio of Jason Sudeikis, Paul Rudd, and Eric Stonestreet put three of those people in a room and then, you know, Taylor Swift. I could. You know what I've always wanted to tell Taylor Swift if I. If I see her in person.
- [38:43]
Chris Rose
Okay.
- [38:45]
Capital One
You wouldn't be you without Shania Twain. Shania Twain did it first. Shania Twain was the pioneer. She went from country to pop first. And she did it. She became the international superstar. Shania walked so Taylor can run. And that's what I would tell her. And then I would have a lot of fun with the trio of Jason Segas, Paul Rudd, Eric Stonestreet. The stories never come out of that.
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Bobby Skinner
She grifted country music way before you. Taylor Swift. That's right.
- [39:09]
Chris Rose
Wow. Holy smokes. Okay, Bobby Skinner, this is a question right up your alley. I know you love these ones. I was thinking of you when I wrote it.
- [39:19]
Bobby Skinner
Well, I'm not going to hang out with Eagles fans, so that's easy. And then the Chiefs one, you're going to have all the. Everyone's going to be trying to get in the Taylor Swift shot on tv, so you're have them. So the rest of the suite is for, you know, me and the boys. You know, we. No line for the food. It's just me and the boys hanging out, watching the game, talking ball, joking around. Well, you would want to get Taylor Swift's shot.
- [39:41]
Capital One
You would want to get in the shot, though. You would do something crazy.
- [39:46]
Bobby Skinner
Like what?
- [39:48]
Capital One
No, like. I don't know. I don't know. Whatever you would want to do.
- [39:51]
Chris Rose
I'd put a stick.
- [39:52]
Bobby Skinner
Maybe I'd put a sticker like on the window or something, you know, Would.
- [39:55]
Capital One
You bring in a firecracker?
- [39:56]
Bobby Skinner
No crime.
- [39:58]
Chris Rose
TikTok dances in the back with Jackson Mahomes. I can definitely see that happening in the chief suite. Boy, this is a tough one.
- [40:06]
Capital One
This is.
- [40:07]
Chris Rose
I actually like the question because those, the fans are actually big time fans. They're not like fake fans. Now, I don't know if you guys remember, but In Super Bowl 52, Kevin Hart was hammered out of his gourd and came up on our set. And that sounds awful. Well, so for whatever reason, people still care when you swear on cable television. I never have understood it, but they do. So he started going off and Dion picked him up like he was a bouncer. He's like, all right, you got to get out the club now. And he actually escorted him off of the stage off of our little set. So I don't know if we can go through that again. So I guess I'll hang out in Kansas City. I'll see you in the chief suite, guys. It'll be fun. Get my picture with Tay Tay.
- [40:52]
Bobby Skinner
I'm still waiting on one of our sponsors to give me a sweet to our Linda Magic game. That was something that's supposed to been happening for a long time and it still hasn't seatgeek.
- [41:01]
Chris Rose
Yeah, well, don't worry. You don't need to call them out. I mean, that's not going to help you.
- [41:05]
Bobby Skinner
They will help me. They need to be called out. Seatgeek, you're a great. You're a great advertiser. You do great work. I use you all the time. I need that Orlando magic suite.
- [41:13]
Chris Rose
See if we can work on that. We'll talk to our. Our sales department. All right, boys, we are back at it again later this week when we'll give you our super bowl prediction. Break it down a little bit more in the football world and just have a ton of fun as we get you all set for Super Bowl 59. Down in the bayou, shout out to Producer Connor always does a bang up job for us. For Bobby Skinner, for Justin Pennock, I am Chris Rose. We will see you Friday here on Football Today, presented to you by Captain Morgan, the official spiced rum of the NFL.
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Bobby Bones
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Capital One
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Julie Swearingen
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Nate Thompson
We're doing a new podcast together. Here we go.
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Julie Swearingen
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Nate Thompson
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Julie Swearingen
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Nate Thompson
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Julie Swearingen
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