Our 2025 First Base Tier List (with Jolly Olive)

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Patrick Show - "Our 2025 First Base Tier List (with Jolly Olive)"

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Release Date:
February 19, 2025

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Overview

In this episode of The Dan Patrick Show, hosts dive deep into the realm of Major League Baseball, specifically focusing on creating a comprehensive tier list for first basemen heading into the 2025 season. Joined by special guest Jolly Olive, the conversation navigates through the strengths and weaknesses of current and emerging first basemen, considering both offensive prowess and defensive capabilities. The discussion is enriched with statistical analyses, personal insights, and spirited debates, offering listeners an engaging exploration of the first base position in baseball.

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1. Introduction to the Tier List

The episode kicks off with Martin Luther King III introducing the concept of the tier list for first basemen, emphasizing the complexities and challenges associated with ranking players at this position.

• Martin Luther King III (02:02):
  "This is gonna be one of the ugliest tier lists we do."

• Mark Seal (02:52):
  "It's the only position I didn't get to play in Little League."

The hosts express their initial struggles in categorizing players, highlighting the diversity in skill sets and performance levels among first basemen.

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2. S Tier First Basemen

Vladimir Guerrero Jr.

At the pinnacle of the tier list sits Vladimir Guerrero Jr., celebrated for his exceptional offensive numbers and improved defensive skills.

• Mark Seal (05:35):
  "He's going to be the ball or the bell of the ball at next year's free agency class."

• Martin Luther King III (05:51):
  "Vladito... 6.2 WAR, 940 OPS. 166 OPS+."

Guerrero Jr.'s consistency and potential for further growth make him a clear standout, securing his position in the S tier.

Matt Olson and Freddy Freeman

Following closely are Matt Olson and Freddy Freeman, both renowned for their offensive contributions and solid defensive play.

• Mark Seal (07:00):
  "Matt Olson definitely belongs up there."

• Martin Luther King III (08:53):
  "Freddie Freeman is like a first ballot hall of Famer."

Their sustained performances and influence on their teams underscore their placement among the elite first basemen.

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3. Middle Tiers: Paul Goldschmidt and Carlos Santana

Paul Goldschmidt and Carlos Santana are discussed as reliable performers who offer consistent offensive output and commendable defense, though they may lack the standout qualities of the S tier.

• Mark Seal (10:09):
  "Your dad's old glove."

• Martin Luther King III (12:03):
  "Paul Goldschmidt... 7.4 WAR."

Their roles as dependable starters make them valuable assets, though not quite at the superstar level of the S tier.

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4. Challenges in Ranking: Name Value Bias

The hosts delve into the inherent challenges of creating a tier list, particularly the influence of name value—players' reputations and marketability—on their rankings.

• Mark Seal (23:10):
  "He's a one-tool player. True."

• Martin Luther King III (33:11):
  "It's a name value thing, it exists."

This section highlights the difficulty in separating a player's performance from their off-field persona, affecting objective evaluations.

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5. The Bottom Tier: Emerging and Transitional Players

Jake Berger, Wilson Contreras, and Others

The lower tiers feature players like Jake Berger and Wilson Contreras, whose performances have been inconsistent or who are still adapting to the first base position.

• Mark Seal (40:39):
  "He's the only one with a full season lefty, right?"

• Martin Luther King III (43:22):
  "Reese Hoskins and Jake Berger currently deserve each other."

Their placement reflects their current performance levels and potential for growth, indicating areas for improvement.

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6. The "One More Summer" Tier: High Potential with Uncertainty

A unique discussion emerges around a tier dubbed "One More Summer," representing young players with significant upside but who have yet to fully prove themselves.

• Mark Seal (63:47):
  "Give me 162. Because that was kind of the uniting thing with all of them."

• Martin Luther King III (64:44):
  "One more summer for old times sake."

This category encapsulates players who could break into higher tiers with continued development and consistent performance.

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7. Conclusions and Future Predictions

The episode concludes with reflections on the depth of the first base position, acknowledging both the abundance of talent and the subjective nature of tier rankings.

• Martin Luther King III (67:15):
  "Let us know where you think we went absolutely wrong. Let us know where we went right."

• Mark Seal (67:17):
  "I think this is a good list."

The hosts invite listeners to share their opinions, fostering an ongoing conversation about player evaluations and tier list adjustments for future seasons.

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Notable Quotes

• Mark Seal (05:35):
  "Vladimir Guerrero Jr. is going to be the ball or the bell of the ball at next year's free agency class."

• Martin Luther King III (08:53):
  "Freddie Freeman is like a first ballot hall of Famer."

• Mark Seal (40:39):
  "He's the only one with a full season lefty, right?"

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Final Thoughts

The Dan Patrick Show delivers an in-depth and spirited analysis of first basemen in MLB, balancing statistical insights with personal perspectives. The tier list serves as a foundation for ongoing debates among fans and analysts alike, highlighting the dynamic and ever-evolving nature of baseball performance evaluations.

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Transcript

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[Martin Luther King III]

Hello and welcome to Waken Jake. As we are in tier list season and we are doing first base. This is gonna be a breeze, right? First base. Put the best hitter you got and let him catch the ball. This will be one of the ugliest tier Lists we do. This year I am joined by Jolly Olive, bbd and I think, you know, we normally like to get some tears in front of you. We have some concepts we've discussed. First base might blow some people's minds. What we're about to stumble into because there is a pack of Lamont Wade, our guy, Vinnie P. I that I. There is a middle tier of first baseman that I currently don't know how to slice up. Charlie, what was that? Is that a dance move?

[Mark Seal]

It's the only position I didn't get to play in Little League.

[Martin Luther King III]

Okay.

[Mark Seal]

So I'm a little biased against first baseman. They got to live dreams that I never got to live.

[Martin Luther King III]

First base is a nightmare.

[Mark Seal]

It's a little messy, but I always wanted to try. I could pick it.

[Martin Luther King III]

I.

[Mark Seal]

If it was high, I can't get there.

[Martin Luther King III]

Yeah, you didn't want that. I had a couple games and that was just a bad time.

[Mark Seal]

At least you got those short kid.

[Martin Luther King III]

At first. It's just bad.

[Mark Seal]

Everyone's just looking at you.

[Martin Luther King III]

Luckily, these guys are tall. We will find out who the shortest player is coming up.

[Jolly Olive]

Probably a rise.

[Martin Luther King III]

Probably a rise. He's listed. He had a nice Instagram post. Him and his wife, bunch of kids. Everyone is looking good.

[Mark Seal]

Let's spend 30 minutes on that.

[Martin Luther King III]

Andrew Vaughn.

[Mark Seal]

Don't say that to me.

[Martin Luther King III]

We won't start there. Here's what we're gonna do. Normally, we. We have the list and we. I think we have our S tier. There's been a couple names thrown out, but we're gonna do this traditional tier, list style. We're gonna start off S tier abcd and then we're gonna separate as we go. Because I'll be honest, I'm a little frazzled. The S tier is kind of clear. There's a couple guys you can negotiate up or down, and maybe we will.

[Mark Seal]

That's nice.

[Martin Luther King III]

Look at that.

[Mark Seal]

That's nice.

[Martin Luther King III]

The whole squad, man, you show out.

[Mark Seal]

Looks great.

[Martin Luther King III]

Miami rise kind of has a see through shirt going on. Like that's. That's the vibe. That's what I want. Okay.

[Mark Seal]

He's still a Padre, right? That didn't change.

[Martin Luther King III]

We'll see by the time this comes out. I don't know.

[Mark Seal]

Kind of flexing his wife kind of.

[Martin Luther King III]

Oh, big time.

[Mark Seal]

Half those slides were just her.

[Martin Luther King III]

We love that for her. So we're going traditional tier list, S tier abcd. And I think we can chew off the top. Jolly. I think we mutually agree that there's four that deserve to be at the top. I think there's one guy that could make a push for a solo one but he doesn't have quite the resume yet. Would you like to dive in?

[Mark Seal]

Yeah. I mean the way I'm sectioning this off is the guys that are either getting paid nine figures or are going to get paid nine figures as first baseman. The one who's going to get paid nine figures is Vladimir Guerrero Jr. This is his walk year. He's coming off a fantastic bounce back year. Bounce back in the way that he was always good. But that was a truly great elite caliber season last year. 940 OPS, 30 bombs, 103 RBIs. Career 137 OPS plus. He's going to be 26. He could get better, you never know. And he's gotten better defensively. We know how feared of a slugger he is. He will be the ball or the bell of the ball at next year's free agency class.

[Martin Luther King III]

Ball of the bell.

[Mark Seal]

I think I had it right. And he belongs at the top, no doubt in my mind.

[Martin Luther King III]

So I think oddly enough, Vladdy with what he did last year, if there's anyone who has a claim to be on top, top it is Vladito.

[Mark Seal]

Yes.

[Martin Luther King III]

6.2 war, 940 ops. 166 ops plus. I mean the way he finished last season and when I say finish, I mean basically the second half of the year finished six in mvp. I do think, I think Vlad, he grew up a little bit. He's turning 26 in a couple weeks.

[Mark Seal]

Youth factor goes for him.

[Martin Luther King III]

That there may be more in the tank or last season just might be the regular. He does have a career. 137 OPS + which is lower than. I think it's lower than Harper. I believe it's lower than Freddy career and it's lower than Olson career. So there's definitely people that would come on here and say Olson should maybe be a tear down. I think I. I think the two arguments that Bryce and Freddie are linked for life. That's just how it goes. Olsen and Freddy also linked for life. I think Matt Olsen's last year, you can make an argument a tear down. I think it was a weird year. And the year before that, as you've noted, jolly 54 homers, 139 RBIs and a 6.04 slugging all led the NL.

[Mark Seal]

All better than what Vladdy did last year.

[Martin Luther King III]

Matt Olsen. Correct.

[Mark Seal]

Put it in context.

[Martin Luther King III]

Matt Olsen has played every game the.

[Mark Seal]

Last three seasons and that matters to me.

[Martin Luther King III]

That's cool. That yeah, I Think, I hope that the tier list next year has Vladimir Guerrero Jr. On a tier all by himself. Or maybe with another one of these guys like Bryce Harper. Still new to first base.

[Mark Seal]

Yeah.

[Martin Luther King III]

How silly is that? And the defense, like, he grades out well for a first baseman, which nobody grades out well for a first baseman. So that's kind of cool to see. And yeah, Matt Olson with a hot April could be on track for another 50 homer season. Also, Matt Olson, 32.8 career war mad.

[Mark Seal]

Olsen's entered like an interesting conversation.

[Martin Luther King III]

I mean, he'd have to. He'd really have to keep it rolling till he's 35.

[Mark Seal]

Yeah. I'm not saying that he's gonna make the hall of Fame, but I think his interesting conversation is he had one quote unquote down year where he was still a forward player, hit 30 home runs and played every single game. And now everyone's like, oh, I guess he's not among the elite. Matt Olson's still really, really good and he definitely belongs up here. So I had like that slight moment of like, do we move him down? Because you can see a world where it's those three and it kind of looks right. But Matt Olson definitely belongs up there.

[Martin Luther King III]

I think they all belong. I could see any of those players having a better year than everyone else on the list. Vladdy with the easiest up potential. And honestly, Father Time and Freddy, when does it happen? 35 hasn't happened yet. Last year the numbers ticked down, but when I say tick down. 100, 143 ops plus, like they ticked down for Freddy Freeman. He hit 3. 31 the year before. 282 last year. God, six and a half war is.

[Mark Seal]

Freddie Freeman like a first ballot hall.

[Martin Luther King III]

Of Famer Kind of feels like, well, couple World Series. I'll tell you what also matters. World Series and being liked by the media. He's been MLB's media darling for eight years now.

[Mark Seal]

I think Freddy's the first battle of Hammer, Big Poppy.

[Martin Luther King III]

And he was a dh.

[Mark Seal]

He didn't even play the field. Huh.

[Martin Luther King III]

Let's leave that S tier. We'll see if we need to circle back and separate anything. I. I think we've done. I think we've done good there. Do you want to do the next tier or do we want to. I don't want to chop off some of the bottom.

[Mark Seal]

I don't want to do any of those. I know it's a disturbing mess. I have a couple pairings that I like and then after that it's kind.

[Martin Luther King III]

Of out the wazoo Tyler Soderstrom on the A's.

[Jolly Olive]

Of course.

[Mark Seal]

Please don't say that into the microphone.

[Martin Luther King III]

Had some nice numbers last scaring people.

[Mark Seal]

You are.

[Martin Luther King III]

Had some nice numbers last year. Jolly.

[Mark Seal]

Don't say that. I have Paul Goldschmidt and Carlos Santana grouped together. They got paid roughly the same money in free agency. They serve kind of similar roles. They're glove first dudes who are a little bit on the older side who can still hit, you know, league average or above league average rate. I have them somewhere in the middle. And it's here called your dad's old glove.

[Martin Luther King III]

Your dad's old glove.

[Mark Seal]

Your dad's old glove that he gave to you as like, your first really good. Like, you had your little league glove, and now you have your first good glove. It's your dad's old glove. He's been using it for years.

[Martin Luther King III]

And Carlos Santana turns 39 in April. Paul is a young 37 and about to have a massive season. Okay, so BBD naturally, put that in the C tier. For now, we can call it your dad's old glove. I'll be interested to see if anyone we think deserves to be lumped in with them. And it's got a very similar contract.

[Mark Seal]

Open to discussion because Paul Goldschmidt was in our second tier last year next to Bryce Harper.

[Martin Luther King III]

Well, Goldie took a step back, and we're talking about Matt Olson and could he reach hall of Fame. And Harper Freddy, like Paul Goldschmid's got that 62.8 war in the bag. And he had an.800 ops in the second half of last year. Does he find the porch? A couple times. The. The pinstripes. The pinstripes.

[Mark Seal]

Let's look at Paul Goldschmidt spray chart.

[Martin Luther King III]

Are you getting it?

[Mark Seal]

Did he go oppo with any home runs last year? He went a homer twice last year.

[Jolly Olive]

It's PPP prep season. A lot of the nerd sites do say he. He will pep with that porch.

[Mark Seal]

We'll see.

[Martin Luther King III]

He would have. He. I think he would have gained, like three homers as a Yank last year. We'll figure that out. Two years removed from MVP one.

[Mark Seal]

Yeah.

[Martin Luther King III]

And hey, maybe he needs to wipe the cardinal off of him just a little bit.

[Mark Seal]

It's one in a carnival.

[Martin Luther King III]

Tell me, who is your favorite Cardinal free agent signing this year?

[Mark Seal]

That's rude.

[Martin Luther King III]

Blank, blank space.

[Mark Seal]

That's what I was thinking.

[Martin Luther King III]

We are recording this February 10th. That should be noted.

[Mark Seal]

Welcome. Come on down.

[Martin Luther King III]

Yeah, they need a picture to the Mets.

[Mark Seal]

No, we don't need A picture to who? To St. Louis.

[Martin Luther King III]

No.

[Mark Seal]

Okay. He looks like a Cardinal. What do you mean? No?

[Martin Luther King III]

He does. Um, let's see what the olds do this year as they are fighting for ground. Paul Goldschmidt, 7.4 war. 3.1 war. 1.3 war. So there's a nervous side of that. Carlos Santana was kind of on that boat and last year just said, fuck it. We ball. So we respect your dad's old glove. Let's see what gets filled in above them. Let's jump to the second tier when we go from Olson, Harper, Vladito and Freddy, I guess. Who's the first name?

[Mark Seal]

I think it's Pete, which is weird because I feel not 100 confident saying that, but I feel like he can't go any lower than that. Right. I mean, he's the biggest home run bat on this list.

[Martin Luther King III]

It's interesting because it's 2025.

[Mark Seal]

Yes.

[Martin Luther King III]

You get paid in free agency for what you're about to do. You don't get paid for what you've done that. I think the two names that were the hot topic at first base this off season, Pete and Christian Walker, both have their argument. Pete's going to get at least $30 million to play baseball for this upcoming season. And if he plays well, he will cash in even more than that. Or he's got an insurance policy for next year. Christian Walker got the contract everyone kind of expected. And it's the whole two way. He leads every defensive first base metric you could possibly look into. While being a very consistent. I haven't looked at Christian Walker's numbers. He was a hot topic of this free agency and then he wasn't ops plus the last three years. 125, 122, 121. And he's won the Gold Glove all three of those years. His war has gone down per year. He will be turning 34 on March 28th. Is that opening day? Yeah. Yeah. I. I'm very interested to see Arizona's a good place to hit. That's been a good lineup. He was very comfortable there.

[Mark Seal]

These two feel linked too.

[Martin Luther King III]

They currently are.

[Mark Seal]

Yeah. They just feel like, like in the same way that like Freddy and Olson are kind of always connected. These two feel like they're going to be connected even though they're very different players.

[Martin Luther King III]

Yes.

[Mark Seal]

Like Walker's glove first and like very consistent offensively. Pete definitely not a glow first dude, but he has like the offensive volatility where like one year he could put up 46 homers and people aren't going to be like surprised, you know what I mean?

[Martin Luther King III]

Maybe this year.

[Mark Seal]

I'd like that.

[Martin Luther King III]

You think so?

[Mark Seal]

I'd like it. I don't know.

[Martin Luther King III]

Then Uncle Steve's got to get that checkbook out.

[Mark Seal]

I think he's good for it.

[Martin Luther King III]

What if he wants Vladdy Porkinolos?

[Mark Seal]

Dos. There's a DH spot in the National League now.

[Martin Luther King III]

Pete to third.

[Mark Seal]

Okay, let's party.

[Martin Luther King III]

I think those two begin this tier.

[Mark Seal]

The question is my one other name here feels wrong.

[Martin Luther King III]

Okay.

[Mark Seal]

But then you look at his page and he absolutely belongs to be next to some of these guys. But maybe not. Okay, I'm having a really tough time with Nathaniel Lowe.

[Martin Luther King III]

I think we all are on a.

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[Mark Seal]

He's never been below league average offensively in his six year career. Last year he was a 120 ops plus. He doesn't have the home run power that Pete does and he doesn't have quite the glove that Walker does. But he kind of feels like a hodgepodge of the two. I mean he's definitely more doubles than.

[Martin Luther King III]

Homer's won the Silver Slugger in 22, on the Gold Glove in 23 and last year he had a very Nathaniel Low season and he just feels better.

[Mark Seal]

Than the guys that are going to be below them.

[Martin Luther King III]

Can I tell you? Okay, here's a weird sniff test.

[Mark Seal]

Okay.

[Martin Luther King III]

Why Texas trade him?

[Mark Seal]

I. I think it's so Jake Berger has more years of control and I, I guess they wanted to swap in one guy for less money who has more years of control. But I do think that Nathaniel is the better player. Get a little more power.

[Martin Luther King III]

They signed Jock so that's your lefty DH replacement.

[Mark Seal]

It's great for the net.

[Martin Luther King III]

I guess they got burger at a good value. So I, I don't know. That's just been one that's thrown me off and we're talking about, you know, your network is your net worth.

[Mark Seal]

Wow.

[Martin Luther King III]

Christian Walker got the contract maybe plus a year than what people were expecting or I don't know in the range. Pete was chasing AAV and blew his cover that he wanted to be a Met but he didn't get the full contract he was expecting.

[Mark Seal]

He will be the highest paid first base in next year.

[Martin Luther King III]

Nathaniel Lowe was traded for Robert Garcia and the whole thing throws me off.

[Jolly Olive]

Who's from California?

[Martin Luther King III]

Robert Garcia is from California and Robert Garcia is good.

[Mark Seal]

He's got three nasty pitches but it. It felt just like a years of control type thing. Which is a good way to build your roster.

[Jolly Olive]

And. And it was a team that was pretty desperate for bullpen. Hell.

[Mark Seal]

Right. And the Marlins were dumb enough to trade Jake Berger who still had like tons of control. So like I get it from that standpoint. And this is about Nathaniel Low, the player. Not really like him getting traded. It's just a weird discussion. Like, I still don't really know why it happened.

[Martin Luther King III]

Maybe Robert Garcia is good. He had a negative WAR last year. I don't.

[Mark Seal]

Where do you want to put him? Jacob?

[Martin Luther King III]

So there's Pete and Christian Walker.

[Mark Seal]

Sure.

[Martin Luther King III]

Lumped together for life. I like Nathaniel Lowe. I'll tell you one that's tormenting me. Wilson Contreras.

[Mark Seal]

I hate that he's here.

[Martin Luther King III]

I don't know if he can play the position. But if you tell me the hitter I like, go look at his offensive.

[Mark Seal]

Stats and like these numbers will probably.

[Martin Luther King III]

Get better that you. You'd think he doesn't have to catch. You'd think.

[Mark Seal]

So does he belong?

[Jolly Olive]

As he gets more used to being in this.

[Mark Seal]

He can't be in the second tier of a position that he's never played. I. I think I draw the line there. I've never seen him play it. I don't know how it's gonna look.

[Martin Luther King III]

Well.

[Jolly Olive]

Like his bat's not that good.

[Mark Seal]

But it's good.

[Martin Luther King III]

I think we're gonna get old.

[Jolly Olive]

Headed that like he's a two tier.

[Mark Seal]

This is a name value list.

[Martin Luther King III]

It currently kind of is name value list.

[Mark Seal]

So who is who?

[Martin Luther King III]

Nathaniel Lowe. Third tier is good. Wilson Contreras. I'm just going to yell some names real quick because they're. I'm going to yell every name. How about this? Here's a fun exercise.

[Mark Seal]

Okay.

[Martin Luther King III]

Every name that I'm currently looking at that's frustrating me on what their value is. Josh Naylor.

[Mark Seal]

E tier.

[Martin Luther King III]

He has an argument.

[Mark Seal]

Sure.

[Martin Luther King III]

He has an argument. Casus. Yes and no. He's got to do it for like a year. But his stats are.

[Mark Seal]

But now he's got that full 162 and it's nice.

[Martin Luther King III]

Right? But he's got to do that for a full 162.

[Mark Seal]

Absolutely.

[Martin Luther King III]

But like, would you rather. Who would you rather have a first base next year? Paul Goldschmidt? Carlos Santana or Tristan Casas?

[Mark Seal]

Tristan Costas.

[Martin Luther King III]

Tristan Costas.

[Mark Seal]

Yeah.

[Martin Luther King III]

So that's. That's coming up. But I'm. I'm not even frustrated with that. I can figure that out.

[Mark Seal]

Yeah.

[Martin Luther King III]

Vinnie P. Might Be too close to the sun. There. That is what it is. We'll get there. Reese Hoskins.

[Mark Seal]

I'm a little lower on him.

[Martin Luther King III]

I. I am too. But also. Am I.

[Mark Seal]

It's the. It's the leg injury.

[Martin Luther King III]

Okay.

[Mark Seal]

It's like the slowest.

[Martin Luther King III]

Lamont Wade Jr. On base.

[Mark Seal]

God. I think he's like. I think he led first base in a non base percentage last year.

[Martin Luther King III]

I don't need second to Vladi Wilson Contreras. I already talked about that. Yandy Diaz get rid of his slow start. And he was a baller again. I think there's. There's some nerd stat that he was top 85th percentile and Sweet spot contest and biggest hammer.

[Mark Seal]

Come on.

[Martin Luther King III]

Then. Nathaniel Low. Like, I don't. I don't know how to separate these.

[Mark Seal]

So I've got some ideas.

[Martin Luther King III]

Sure.

[Mark Seal]

I think that we make the B tier the my brain hurts tear and we just throw all these guys in there because they all have, like, a hitch. Right. Wilson has never played the position before.

[Martin Luther King III]

He's never played first base.

[Mark Seal]

Casas doesn't have the full season. Nathaniel Lowe has just kind of been good. Not great. And I don't mean that in a negative way. He's just been a solid, good first baseman. But. But Alonzo and Walker have had great seasons.

[Martin Luther King III]

They can be game changers.

[Mark Seal]

Right?

[Martin Luther King III]

Game changer.

[Mark Seal]

Okay. Naylor hasn't played the position. Right.

[Martin Luther King III]

Doesn't rack up war.

[Jolly Olive]

No, I mean defense.

[Martin Luther King III]

Did he get boosted by Cleveland getting rid of some outfield seats last year?

[Mark Seal]

Oh, yeah. I forgot about that. That was weird.

[Martin Luther King III]

His numbers landed.

[Mark Seal]

They're fine.

[Martin Luther King III]

The 31 homer stand out more than the ops plus the county kind of played with. Okay. I feel better with that.

[Mark Seal]

Yeah.

[Jolly Olive]

Defensively, he played with three other. Like, great defense.

[Mark Seal]

Yeah.

[Jolly Olive]

Like, I feel like on a. On an otherwise bad defense where you'd have to be scooping more. Like, do we talk about he's not a great defender.

[Martin Luther King III]

I was worried there was going to be a much bigger conversation for Josh Naylor to be up on this list. I don't think there is. He. He slowed down in the second half last year. I didn't realize to what degree in the first half last year, 22 homers and 816 OPS. He slowed down in the second half, so. Okay with him.

[Mark Seal]

Like, me and Dalton both thought the D backs acquired their new designated hitter, not their new first baseman. And he's their first baseman now, so we'll see. Crazy to go.

[Martin Luther King III]

So let's. Let's. All right. Let's put those. Okay, so who's up there? That's Wilson. That's Low. That's Casas, and that's Naylor.

[Mark Seal]

And then Vinny.

[Martin Luther King III]

Who would you rather have next year? Goldie, Santana or Vinnie?

[Mark Seal]

Vinnie.

[Martin Luther King III]

Vinnie.

[Jolly Olive]

A part of me.

[Martin Luther King III]

I'm thinking that row is going to become two rows.

[Jolly Olive]

A part of me was just gonna say, like, make that into two rows. My brain hurts. Please make my brain hurt. Oh, and that's Vinnie and Casas.

[Martin Luther King III]

Yeah, I'm open to that. Let's make two rows there. We're gonna need two rows because they.

[Mark Seal]

Also kind of feel like they go together.

[Martin Luther King III]

Casus has just done more.

[Mark Seal]

Right. But he doesn't have a full season.

[Martin Luther King III]

Casus has done it at a higher level, I should say.

[Mark Seal]

Not having the full season hurts.

[Martin Luther King III]

Yeah, they both.

[Mark Seal]

Yeah, they're both. Their. Their high in games is 131 and 132 for these two guys. So they kind of are, again, the same.

[Martin Luther King III]

I'm an ops plus guy nowadays.

[Mark Seal]

Sure.

[Martin Luther King III]

Casas, 125. Vinnie, 160, 112 career, he's 118 last year.

[Mark Seal]

Kaufman's tough.

[Martin Luther King III]

Kaufman's tough.

[Mark Seal]

Fenway, not tough.

[Martin Luther King III]

Fenway. No, it's tough. I might have just read the wrong stats. I was on Josh Naylor's page. Vinny, where'd you go? There's Vinny. Vinny's a career 116. Ops plus.

[Mark Seal]

Yeah.

[Martin Luther King III]

This is gonna be. He's 27. This is gonna be his. I mean, he's really only got one full season, and that was last year.

[Mark Seal]

That's what I'm saying. They're kind of the same class. Like, they're both young people are both really excited for what they can do, but also nervous because they haven't seen.

[Jolly Olive]

Like, let's get the full year and be a guy.

[Mark Seal]

Yeah.

[Martin Luther King III]

Where does Lamont Wade go? Has anyone ever seen him play baseball? Honest question, isn't he more an outfielder?

[Jolly Olive]

Not so much anymore. I think he's a great picker and not much else going on defensively. I know there's some nerd stuff about, like, he hits velocity and spin, both very well.

[Mark Seal]

His on base was one tick lower than his slug. That's his game.

[Martin Luther King III]

He gets on base.

[Mark Seal]

He gets on base.

[Martin Luther King III]

That's valuable.

[Mark Seal]

That's extreme.

[Martin Luther King III]

Have you seen Moneyball?

[Mark Seal]

I heard playing first base is easy.

[Martin Luther King III]

That's what I heard the last two years. 252 games he's gone on at a.376 clip.

[Mark Seal]

I have a proposal.

[Martin Luther King III]

Okay.

[Mark Seal]

Lamont Wade does not grid out well defensively at first base and can hit. Do we agree on that?

[Martin Luther King III]

I think I can agree with that.

[Mark Seal]

Yanni Diaz does not grade out well defensively and can hit.

[Martin Luther King III]

I think I have another guy, too.

[Mark Seal]

Luis Arias does not grade out well defensively and can hit.

[Martin Luther King III]

That feels like a group couple batting title winners there. They hit.

[Jolly Olive]

Contact over power hitters.

[Mark Seal]

You just talked me out of Wade being in there now. Damn. Well, you totally did.

[Martin Luther King III]

Oh, Lamont.

[Jolly Olive]

All three of them lead off.

[Mark Seal]

Do they really?

[Jolly Olive]

Yeah.

[Mark Seal]

Kind of love that.

[Martin Luther King III]

Yeah. One one B hitting one and one. Something like that. One hitting one one hitting one one hitting one. Put. That's above Goldie and Santana. Oh, question mark. The olds are flying down the board.

[Mark Seal]

It doesn't feel right to put them below. I think it's above. Who would you rather have if I.

[Martin Luther King III]

I think if we're being honest, I would rather have Luis arise. Yanni Diaz. Lamont Wade gets interesting, but every stat tells me I would. If you could tell me Lamont Wade Jr. Could get on at a.373 clip in front of Aaron Judge next year, I would love Lamont Wade.

[Mark Seal]

And that. That question is not who would you rather have on the Yankees? It's who would you rather have on a baseball team? Like take out defensive issues, whatever, construction of the roster. Like who, what. What's the better player? I think the three of them move above and it's. It's an age conversation too. You know what I mean? Like, that kind of works.

[Martin Luther King III]

Carlos could fall off.

[Mark Seal]

They could. They could fall bad.

[Jolly Olive]

There's an argument that Paul Goldschmidt is. Has already passed.

[Martin Luther King III]

Sneaky old, isn't he? Yandy turns 34 in August. That's okay. Cuban.

[Mark Seal]

I like the way we sorted that out.

[Martin Luther King III]

Okay. Yeah, we have some things happening.

[Mark Seal]

We have a lot of tears.

[Martin Luther King III]

Good. Wilson Contreras.

[Mark Seal]

Wilson Contreras.

[Martin Luther King III]

I mean, if he can catch the ball, he's going up.

[Mark Seal]

He caught the ball for many years of his life.

[Martin Luther King III]

Right.

[Mark Seal]

He had a whole position named after it.

[Jolly Olive]

If his offensive season is repeated and he's fine at first, I need to.

[Martin Luther King III]

See the guy play first base. This is a guy that had problems catching.

[Mark Seal]

Can I just say, this is a. The weirdest contract of the past five years is the Wilson Charles Cardinals contract.

[Jolly Olive]

Because they keep being mean to him.

[Mark Seal]

You're not our catcher and you're the reason we're losing.

[Martin Luther King III]

They keep being mean.

[Jolly Olive]

Actually, you will catch, though.

[Mark Seal]

And we're not going to trade anybody in the season. And then we're going to let everyone go and we're going to make you a first baseman. Even though you want to be a catcher.

[Martin Luther King III]

He smells of a trade.

[Mark Seal]

There's four years left on the deal.

[Martin Luther King III]

But if he hits and he can catch balls at first base, they need the full reset.

[Mark Seal]

I'm with you.

[Martin Luther King III]

That's how they reset.

[Mark Seal]

I'm with you.

[Martin Luther King III]

God. Don't trade him to Seattle. And there's my Seattle Mariner. Shrapnel. Yeah, really. Which brings us to Luke Rayleigh. Some numbers that like him.

[Jolly Olive]

Just gonna get Jonah Bride on there.

[Mark Seal]

See, this is the problem with the bottom, is that there's a lot of guys that have like one thing going for him.

[Martin Luther King III]

Hey, let's. Let's clean up the bottom.

[Jolly Olive]

I think Colt Keith hasn't seen him play the position.

[Martin Luther King III]

Haven't seen him played. Haven't seen him hit. I hope he has a very nice career.

[Jolly Olive]

We thought we thought you were Trey Sweeney last time we did think you were Tracy Sweeney.

[Martin Luther King III]

That's tough. He's had a lot. ESPN.com insisted he's had a lot of appearances on this.

[Mark Seal]

We didn't mean that.

[Martin Luther King III]

Anyone want to go to battle for Spencer Horowitz?

[Mark Seal]

He could hit a little bit. I feel bad putting him at the bottom.

[Martin Luther King III]

I kind of do, too.

[Jolly Olive]

He's got Keith after the slow start.

[Martin Luther King III]

Really hit him. Or Soderstrom.

[Mark Seal]

All right. I don't know anything about Tyler.

[Martin Luther King III]

What? Watch ball.

[Jolly Olive]

And there is no time for this.

[Mark Seal]

Why did he have a 114 OPS Plus?

[Martin Luther King III]

Pretty brief, but still a lot of games. He's like. He was a real prospect.

[Mark Seal]

It's a first round pick.

[Martin Luther King III]

Those Oakland A's hit.

[Mark Seal]

Damn.

[Martin Luther King III]

No time for this kind of true Andrew Vaughn bottom.

[Mark Seal]

Kind of feels like we know who he is at this point.

[Martin Luther King III]

I wish I didn't. I bought some Andrew Vaughn stock.

[Mark Seal]

Did you really?

[Martin Luther King III]

I would love to get him anywhere else.

[Mark Seal]

20 homers, 750 OPS.

[Martin Luther King III]

Damn.

[Jolly Olive]

Really? No nuts here. No, in my head, he had one.

[Mark Seal]

In my head, it was 2021, but he was a rookie.

[Jolly Olive]

In my head, 2022, he was like legit good. Which, like, these are good numbers.

[Martin Luther King III]

But as a 24 year old, that's a very nice season. In 2022 for Andrew Vaughn.

[Jolly Olive]

I thought we were building something.

[Martin Luther King III]

I mean, what's.

[Mark Seal]

Go ahead, make an argument for Andrew Boss.

[Martin Luther King III]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. The bottom of this list, Jonah Bride. Sorry, new friend. But yeah, like, you know, there's young guys you can talk yourself into. Spencer Horowitz. Sure. Maybe there's something in there.

[Mark Seal]

I think that might be a tier.

[Martin Luther King III]

Michael Toglia.

[Mark Seal]

Mike, he hit.

[Martin Luther King III]

He hit 25 last year. He's a big Spencer steer.

[Mark Seal]

Yeah, Spencer penciled in there. I have Shanwell in that. Young guys, you want to talk about conversation. Like, what is he like?

[Martin Luther King III]

Does Colt Keith deserve to be with the young guys?

[Jolly Olive]

He's had a full rookie year. Slow start thing. Good.

[Martin Luther King III]

Yeah.

[Mark Seal]

Why is he.

[Martin Luther King III]

I thought the numbers were a lot worse. Okay, how about the second to last tier before the olds? Yep. Put Colt Keith up there.

[Mark Seal]

Wow.

[Martin Luther King III]

Yeah. I mean, hey, real prospect. He. I didn't realize how close the league average his season got last year.

[Mark Seal]

So we're doing like a young guys tier then?

[Martin Luther King III]

Yes. These are guys that we have hope for.

[Mark Seal]

Okay.

[Martin Luther King III]

Like I'm looking at. Who am I? Who am I? Chenule, Shanuel.

[Mark Seal]

Yeah, he's another like high draft pick. They didn't sign a first baseman because they believe in him.

[Martin Luther King III]

Soderstrom. Hive is wrong right now.

[Mark Seal]

Another first round pick. Is this the first round picks? Deer. These guys all first round picks. Let's find out.

[Martin Luther King III]

First round pick.

[Mark Seal]

Don't say that. Come on.

[Jolly Olive]

Cole Keith is a fifth round pick.

[Mark Seal]

Andrew Vaughn was the third overall.

[Martin Luther King III]

I have some Andrew Vaughn sock and I'm still sitting on it.

[Mark Seal]

Who went after Andrew Vaughn?

[Martin Luther King III]

Trade him to a good team.

[Mark Seal]

Do you know who went 1 and 2 in Andrew Vaughn's draft?

[Martin Luther King III]

Who's that?

[Mark Seal]

Adley Rushman and Bobby Wood Jr.

[Martin Luther King III]

I'm still a Vaughn guy.

[Mark Seal]

Riley Green. Two picks later.

[Jolly Olive]

JJ Bloodet Abrams.

[Mark Seal]

Corbin Carroll.

[Martin Luther King III]

I have Andrew Vaughn stock and it's going bad. But maybe this is the year. Maybe this is the year. Like where does Michael Bush go?

[Mark Seal]

Man, Bush goes above these guys, I think.

[Jolly Olive]

Where do the Orioles belong with Michael?

[Martin Luther King III]

Michael Bush had almost three WAR last year. All right, Full season.

[Mark Seal]

Here's what we're doing.

[Jolly Olive]

Top 100 prospect.

[Mark Seal]

Here's what we're.

[Martin Luther King III]

He goes with Vinny and Casas. Yeah, right.

[Mark Seal]

Whoa.

[Jolly Olive]

I'd like him to make my brain hurt.

[Jess Hilarious]

Right.

[Mark Seal]

He.

[Martin Luther King III]

118 ops plus.

[Bobby Bones]

He's the only one.

[Mark Seal]

He's the only one with a full season lefty, right? Yeah, yeah, he does. He does. I think he has more war than Pasquatch and he's only played one year.

[Martin Luther King III]

That's fine.

[Jolly Olive]

He was still a top 100 prospect entering last season.

[Mark Seal]

I think I'd rather have him over Luis Arias.

[Martin Luther King III]

That's interesting. I mean, Luis Arise is a wrench in every conversation. So I'm saying kind of doesn't play Defense has an argument for best contact hitter we've seen.

[Mark Seal]

I'd rather have the guy that's the first baseman that can also hit.

[Martin Luther King III]

Right. It starts getting into your team a little bit. And Michael Bush, what if he gets better?

[Mark Seal]

Right? All three of those guys have the youth factor.

[Jolly Olive]

The reason Michael Bush is a Cub is the Dodgers just didn't have room for him.

[Mark Seal]

Literally didn't have room on the roster for him to play.

[Martin Luther King III]

Who's in on Luke Rayleigh?

[Mark Seal]

Is that how you normally.

[Martin Luther King III]

You know what I'm saying?

[Mark Seal]

Is that how you normally start conversations?

[Martin Luther King III]

Yes. It was not popular at the Super Bowl.

[Jolly Olive]

He feels like he belongs with Jose Moran.

[Martin Luther King III]

Oh, my God.

[Mark Seal]

Is he not an outfielder?

[Martin Luther King III]

He had one great year, rightly stats last year.

[Mark Seal]

He was terrific.

[Jolly Olive]

I was thinking three.

[Mark Seal]

He's been good for multiple years.

[Martin Luther King III]

He's playing first base for the Mariners.

[Mark Seal]

That's so messed up that they would.

[Jolly Olive]

Do that to us by the time this is out. Maybe they've signed Justin Turner and really will return to the outfield. But he's played. He's played a lot of first base in his life also.

[Martin Luther King III]

Damn it. Luke Rayleigh.

[Mark Seal]

Is he in? My brain hurts.

[Martin Luther King III]

It's a little bit, man. It's a little bit.

[Mark Seal]

I'm moving him up there because I.

[Martin Luther King III]

Think his savant is also pretty at times. There's actually a dark horse position for him. I think Luke Rayleigh got some lead off run last year. Let's check today. Let's check.

[Mark Seal]

No way.

[Martin Luther King III]

Maybe I dreamt that I could totally.

[Mark Seal]

See the Rays leading.

[Martin Luther King III]

Okay. He let off. He let off like eight times last year.

[Jolly Olive]

So I don't count three games started up there.

[Martin Luther King III]

Crazy that my brain has that in it, but I don't know how to do anything else.

[Mark Seal]

I have him in my brain hurts. He's the epitome of my brain hurts. I didn't think about Luke Rayleigh at all before this tier list and I just discovered that he has now.

[Martin Luther King III]

Do you ask my brain hurts or please make my brain hurt?

[Mark Seal]

I haven't. I mean, he's.

[Martin Luther King III]

You'd rather have Luke Rayleigh than Tristan Casas. That is a lie.

[Mark Seal]

That's a lie.

[Martin Luther King III]

The test came back and said that was a lie.

[Mark Seal]

But that's a. That's a name value thing. Dude.

[Martin Luther King III]

We're getting name valued pretty hard.

[Mark Seal]

We're getting name valued because Luke Rayleigh is objectively right now a better player than Tristan Casas, which is a crazy statement because even I don't believe that.

[Jolly Olive]

Luke Rayleigh is 6, 4 2, 3, 5.

[Mark Seal]

Okay.

[Martin Luther King III]

One of like the top sprint guys.

[Jolly Olive]

I was about to ask what sprint speed you've got.

[Martin Luther King III]

He's like 95th or something. What really flies. Luke Rayleigh's a glitch.

[Mark Seal]

80 80th percentile.

[Jolly Olive]

90 split the difference.

[Mark Seal]

He's in my.

[Martin Luther King III]

He's in my wemby. He is.

[Mark Seal]

My brain hurts. Everything about him that I've learned in the past five minutes has made my brain hurt. He's up there.

[Jolly Olive]

He plays like a lot of center field.

[Mark Seal]

And you owe it to Mariners fans. You do. You do. You owe it to Mariners fans. You're so mean to them.

[Martin Luther King III]

This hurts my brain.

[Mark Seal]

You look like your brain hurts.

[Martin Luther King III]

This is. There's something beautiful about this and there's something horrible about this. I know I have Yankee syndrome, but in my head, Goldie and Carlos Santana could have fine years this. This season. Yandy Arise. I expect to have very strong seasons at what they do. Lamont Wade. I. The expectation's not there, but he gets on base. And that's how the Oakland Athletics.

[Mark Seal]

Okay.

[Martin Luther King III]

Almost won something. Barry Zito? Nope.

[Mark Seal]

Tim Hudson? No. Thank you.

[Martin Luther King III]

Older.

[Mark Seal]

It's because Scott Hadberg got on base.

[Martin Luther King III]

Gully. That reference was for my sister. X Files, who's not even on the board right now. Why don't you say anything about Spencer Steer? Are you scared?

[Mark Seal]

I have no thoughts on him. I have him. Okay. Do you want to hear.

[Martin Luther King III]

Mike, where would you have. Would have you had. Had him?

[Mark Seal]

Your brain's fully broken now.

[Martin Luther King III]

I hate first base.

[Mark Seal]

Here's my tier at the bottom. You ready? At the bottom, below your dad's old glove.

[Martin Luther King III]

Okay.

[Mark Seal]

I have Jake Berger, I have the two Orioles first baseman. I have Steer, and I have Hoskins. I have no idea what I'm calling this tier, but they kind of just feel like.

[Jolly Olive]

It feels kind of wrong for them to be below the old. But now I feel like we're getting rude to Santana.

[Mark Seal]

Now we're getting really rude to Santa.

[Martin Luther King III]

You can almost pencil Jake burger in for 30 homers.

[Mark Seal]

You look like you're having a horrible time.

[Martin Luther King III]

I am. I mean, I'm maybe.

[Jolly Olive]

Is it something about like, how are you hitting 30 homers?

[Martin Luther King III]

And there's part of this that makes me just want to do it as a 30 person tier list and just do like a gun to my head. Who do I want at third base next year or first base? Jonah Bride. Your last. And I'm sorry, dude. And I don't know you and you're probably a nice cat. Is he a first Round pick. Why do I care?

[Mark Seal]

I think he was. Yeah.

[Martin Luther King III]

My 23rd round pick. Jonah Bride.

[Mark Seal]

Oh, whoops. My bad.

[Martin Luther King III]

Don't look at his.

[Jolly Olive]

Okay, really nice. 70.

[Mark Seal]

Okay, here's what. Here's what we're doing. And we're. This is final. Okay, here's what we're doing. We're putting Bride and Vaughn together with the whole hodgepodge of the young guys who haven't really proved it yet, but we're like weirdly interested in. So it's like Jose, Miranda, Spencer Horowitz, Michael, Tolia, Sean. Well, Colt, Keith, Jonah, Bride, Soderstrom, Vaughn. That's a tier. All of them are just a tier.

[Martin Luther King III]

One line. Yeah, one line.

[Mark Seal]

Because that's. That's what it is. That's what it is. Any one of them could break out and become great, but you have no idea because all they've done is had like either brief stretches of greatness were great two years ago or they're just a high draft pick. So we expect them to be great, but he can't really say anything else about them. And if we keep dwelling, our brains are going to combust.

[Martin Luther King III]

I like Nolan Chanu.

[Mark Seal]

You're on your own, kid.

[Martin Luther King III]

It's going to be 20 turns, 23 on Valentine's Day.

[Mark Seal]

Let. So can we make this to your. Let someone be mad about this. Just let someone be mad about it. That's it.

[Martin Luther King III]

I mean, almost every fan base should.

[Mark Seal]

Be let someone be mad at this. You're mad about.

[Martin Luther King III]

I'm mad.

[Mark Seal]

Yeah. You're mad about this.

[Martin Luther King III]

Andrew Vaughn.

[Mark Seal]

You gotta let Andrew Vaughn go. You're hurting me.

[Martin Luther King III]

I'm gonna bring up Reese Hoskins.

[Jolly Olive]

Totally is on there, right?

[Mark Seal]

Yeah, I think so.

[Martin Luther King III]

All right, how about this?

[Mark Seal]

Okay.

[Martin Luther King III]

Reese Hoskins and Jake Burger currently deserve each other.

[Mark Seal]

Okay. Drinking buddies. Not the name of a tear. They just look like they would be drinking buddies. They both work at a construction site.

[Martin Luther King III]

Reese, one of the nicer guys in baseball. Jake Berger. Has to be. Name's Jake Berger. Who else belongs with them?

[Jolly Olive]

Part of me has all of these guys together and it's like you can reason there's a chance at 30 homers.

[Martin Luther King III]

Are we being too harsh on Reese for one year on a bad leg?

[Mark Seal]

I'm worried about the leg going forward. Decently worried about that.

[Jolly Olive]

The numbers didn't land in an awful spot.

[Mark Seal]

No, he kind of had like, it's.

[Martin Luther King III]

A down year after a leg injury. He.

[Jolly Olive]

After missing a year and leg.

[Mark Seal]

He had Goldie's year offensively, but he didn't have Anywhere close to that defensively, which is why I'm harden him. The numbers never been a glove. The numbers are pretty similar.

[Martin Luther King III]

Like. Okay, I'm not even going to say that sentence because that would just blow up the whole thing.

[Mark Seal]

What's that? No, you got to say it. Come on.

[Martin Luther King III]

Could Reese have a better year than Will Sig Andre?

[Mark Seal]

No, I don't think so.

[Martin Luther King III]

I don't think so.

[Mark Seal]

I don't think so.

[Martin Luther King III]

It's baseball. Anything can happen. Okay, Jose Miranda's on the bottom. I can't look at him anymore.

[Mark Seal]

Yes.

[Martin Luther King III]

Had the most hits ever consecutively.

[Mark Seal]

Oh, yeah, I forgot about that.

[Jolly Olive]

Yeah, your cousin made Hamilton great.

[Martin Luther King III]

Yeah. How about that? Yeah, that gets overlooked pretty quick.

[Mark Seal]

It's cool.

[Martin Luther King III]

You think my job's cool? Cousin Hammy. Zach saw it this weekend. Everyone tweeted. Zach? Yeah. Who's not on the board currently. Spencer Steer has to go with the pile at the bottom.

[Jolly Olive]

The four names I'm looking at. Well, Spencer Steers out then. The three names I'm looking at are Jake Berger, Reese Hoskins and both Orioles. But as one man.

[Mark Seal]

And I have those three and Steer as a tier above the young guys.

[Martin Luther King III]

You're putting Steer above.

[Mark Seal]

Yes.

[Martin Luther King III]

You have some Spencer Steer stock I do know about.

[Jolly Olive]

I kind of like that.

[Mark Seal]

I think Steer is going to get better now that he has one position. If you look at his baseball reference, each of the last two years, he's played six different positions open to that. I'll say he was good. Back to back. 20 homer seasons. 117. Zero feels.

[Martin Luther King III]

I think Spencer Sears good.

[Mark Seal]

I think he's a good player. I think he deserves to be above the bottom tier for sure. Who would you rather have next year, Spencer Steer or Paul?

[Martin Luther King III]

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe that's the point. I don't think Paul. I don't know.

[Mark Seal]

I feel like I've made you lose love for Paul. Culture.

[Martin Luther King III]

Yes.

[Mark Seal]

Through this, too.

[Martin Luther King III]

This kind of isn't what I expected. No, I mean, there's. There's something to being a certain level of reliable. I think Paul and Carlos.

[Mark Seal]

They are.

[Martin Luther King III]

Should bring for one more summer slash. One of them probably won't.

[Jolly Olive]

We know they can pick it.

[Mark Seal]

Yes. Steer.

[Jolly Olive]

I know you're the guy who, like, hasn't been good at any position.

[Martin Luther King III]

I kind of want to rename that One more summer question mark. I'm okay with that because I think that's what they're looking for.

[Mark Seal]

One more summer.

[Martin Luther King III]

Just one more summer.

[Mark Seal]

One more summer. For old times sake.

[Martin Luther King III]

So, babes, you've cleared the board on that page.

[Jolly Olive]

Every first basement I had available to us is on the board.

[Mark Seal]

I have them. Yeah, but now we can do some.

[Jolly Olive]

So now we have to finagle.

[Mark Seal]

That was my rationale for the bomb material. Let's just get them on there and then we'll figure it out.

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[Mark Seal]

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[Martin Luther King III]

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[Tisha Allen]

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Martin Luther King III]

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[Mark Seal]

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[Martin Luther King III]

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[Martin Luther King III]

Okay, top tier is what it is.

[Mark Seal]

It's locked.

[Martin Luther King III]

Very good. Baseball players. Okay. Pete and Christian Walker. Do they deserve their own tier over? Wilson Contreras, Nathaniel Lowe, Josh Naylor, Luke Rayleigh. What?

[Jolly Olive]

What did we just do?

[Martin Luther King III]

Go look at the numbers.

[Mark Seal]

You hate that he's Luke Rayleigh.

[Martin Luther King III]

Can't land.

[Mark Seal]

He absolutely belongs up there.

[Martin Luther King III]

I cannot say that. I can't say that with a clean conscious. I cannot.

[Mark Seal]

Where do you want to put him?

[Martin Luther King III]

I'd put him a tear down, make my brain hurt. I mean, okay, Jolly, you want to play games?

[Mark Seal]

You sound mad.

[Martin Luther King III]

I've got a game.

[Mark Seal]

Mariners make you mad. I understand this.

[Martin Luther King III]

Hey, you play a lot of out of the park baseball. You're putting together a team.

[Mark Seal]

I do.

[Martin Luther King III]

Hey, Jolly, you could have. And money doesn't matter. Let's say your owner, Steve Cohen, would you rather have Luisa Rise or Luke Rayleigh for first base to be your first baseman in 2025?

[Mark Seal]

I'm picking Luke Rayleigh.

[Martin Luther King III]

Dude, I don't know.

[Mark Seal]

Luis Rice cannot play the position.

[Martin Luther King III]

Yandy Diaz or Luke Rayleigh?

[Mark Seal]

Yandy's a little more interesting because I think Yandy's a little better defensively. He's got a little more pop.

[Martin Luther King III]

What do you have? Luke Rayleigh being prime John Olroot at first place.

[Mark Seal]

But I'm saying this is a guy that played corner outfield well.

[Martin Luther King III]

Right?

[Mark Seal]

So I have to imagine he plays first base well.

[Martin Luther King III]

I mean, he shouldn't even be in this conversation.

[Mark Seal]

Yes. I thought he was gonna be in the left field.

[Martin Luther King III]

Why you should be mad at. The Mariners graded out poorly at first base last year. That's all I'm saying.

[Mark Seal]

Yeah.

[Martin Luther King III]

Okay. I'll get over Luke Rayleigh.

[Mark Seal]

Jake, it's your show.

[Martin Luther King III]

I'm getting over.

[Mark Seal]

It's your show. Jake. Let's move him down. You want to move him down?

[Martin Luther King III]

He's moved down for now.

[Mark Seal]

One batting one. That's right.

[Martin Luther King III]

Should Pete and Christian Walker be on their own tier? I think the tops.

[Mark Seal]

I think so because they just got paid like it. I don't see any of the. Well, we know for a fact Contreras didn't get paid like them. He got paid less. I don't think Naylor is going to get paid like that. And I don't think Nathaniel Lowe's going to get paid like that.

[Martin Luther King III]

Pete and Christian Walker can be game changers for your season. Christian Walker plays the whole year, offense and defense. You're looking at 30 homers, five WAR. Pete Alonzo, if he has a Pete season, he can put up a 45 homer season. You feel that?

[Mark Seal]

Yep.

[Martin Luther King III]

I think that separates them from everyone else currently, so I'm okay with that, I think.

[Mark Seal]

And then, like, you can even just play the resume game, too. Like, how many great years do Pete and Walker have compared to the guys below them? I'd say more. Contreras gets, unfortunately, snake bitten because he's never played the position. If he had two years of first base, even one year of first base.

[Martin Luther King III]

Right.

[Mark Seal]

He'd go in my second tier. But he's never played the position.

[Martin Luther King III]

Yeah. And I guess it'll be interesting. Bryce Harper. Bryce Harper has changed the tone.

[Mark Seal]

Yeah.

[Martin Luther King III]

First base a little.

[Mark Seal]

Anything's possible. I just gotta see it. First.

[Martin Luther King III]

First base became the. Oh, he actually. First base isn't easy to play. And Harper's kind of been like. I figured it out. Let's see what Willie does. So, Wilson Contreras, Nathaniel Lowe, Josh Naylor. I feel okay with that.

[Mark Seal]

I think I feel okay with that, too.

[Martin Luther King III]

Casas is a tough one for me. I think he's really good.

[Mark Seal]

You want him up?

[Martin Luther King III]

He's never played. What's his most games played in a season?

[Mark Seal]

130. It's the same as Vinnie.

[Martin Luther King III]

Yeah.

[Mark Seal]

When was that last year?

[Martin Luther King III]

2.2 war. I don't know how his defense is going to rank out.

[Jolly Olive]

I know his foot speed is slow.

[Martin Luther King III]

And trade him 25.

[Mark Seal]

I don't really know.

[Jolly Olive]

They're like they were begging the Mariners to take him. It feels like, oh, they got Luke. Really.

[Mark Seal]

Say that I knew the next word.

[Jolly Olive]

And Mariners outfield is stacked.

[Martin Luther King III]

I have.

[Mark Seal]

I don't know what he is of.

[Martin Luther King III]

Respect for Luke Rayleigh while being offended by him.

[Mark Seal]

I have him below this tier now. Who, Luke Rayleigh?

[Martin Luther King III]

I think so.

[Mark Seal]

Yeah.

[Martin Luther King III]

I. I like what Contreras can be at first base. I know what I'm getting from Nathaniel Low. I kind of know what I'm getting from Naylor. Does he need to go down for you?

[Mark Seal]

No.

[Martin Luther King III]

Are we overvaluing him?

[Mark Seal]

I don't think we are at all.

[Jolly Olive]

Luke Riley doesn't hit lefties at all.

[Mark Seal]

Good exposed.

[Martin Luther King III]

What's. Okay. How much of a gap should there be between Josh Naylor and Jake Berger?

[Mark Seal]

Oh, right now, there's a massive gap between.

[Martin Luther King III]

Currently on our tier list. There's a massive gap.

[Jolly Olive]

Jake Burger was real good. I drove by his childhood home.

[Mark Seal]

Listen, man, I'm just. I'm. I just make video essays, okay? Stop asking me the hard hitting questions.

[Martin Luther King III]

Naylor has a leg up on Burger.

[Mark Seal]

Jake Burger's year last year was not that good. His league average bat and worth, worth less than replacement level at first base. And he played 137 games. I don't feel that bad about him being that low. But I do appreciate your question about Naylor.

[Martin Luther King III]

I just. I try to talk things through.901, second half. That's what helps me.

[Mark Seal]

It's a name value thing, man. It exists.

[Martin Luther King III]

Casus, Pasquatch, Bush and Luke Rayleigh, all lefties, all young, all with a chance to be very, really good.

[Mark Seal]

Really is going to be 30, I think really goes down. Those three are such a tier. Really just doesn't. He doesn't fit. He's a little bit older. He's not a first baseman. He's a corner outfielder.

[Martin Luther King III]

I mean, I can't tell you he's going to be better than Lamont Wade.

[Mark Seal]

And he's a platoon player.

[Martin Luther King III]

And maybe he should bat lead off.

[Mark Seal]

That's the thing. That's the thing for me. Really's a platoon player. The other three aren't. They're gonna play every day. They're every day for a spaceman.

[Martin Luther King III]

But Luke Rayleigh with those, he's. He's batted lead off.

[Mark Seal]

He has. I think that's okay. And you hate the Mariners.

[Martin Luther King III]

Mariners. I like that we kind of have a letter E going here.

[Mark Seal]

Oh yeah, kind of.

[Martin Luther King III]

It's nice.

[Mark Seal]

It's a long last leg.

[Martin Luther King III]

Wilson, Nathaniel, Naylor, Casas, Vinnie and Bush. That feels much better. I can come up with something fun there. Arise. Diaz. Wade. And now Luke Rayleigh is with them.

[Mark Seal]

You want to move him down?

[Mariah Rose]

No.

[Mark Seal]

Who?

[Martin Luther King III]

Name value is something. I'm okay with that tier.

[Mark Seal]

It hurts to have name values. I think the most egregious here because you think of batting titles and you think Arias has been like the gun for hire batting title guy. But the book is out on him being a one tool player. He's a one tool player. That one tool is elite. Probably better than anybody else in baseball. But he is a one tool player. True.

[Jolly Olive]

It might be better than anyone else's tool.

[Mark Seal]

Right.

[Martin Luther King III]

It's a nice tool.

[Mark Seal]

Easy with that.

[Martin Luther King III]

Come on. Wade gets on base. Luke Rayleigh. What can he do?

[Mark Seal]

What can't he do?

[Martin Luther King III]

The old searching for one more summer. Goldie and Santana. Yeah, I mean this start. This part starts to get a little tricky because like I'm looking at the. The tier below that. Burger. It kind of depends your team's construction. If I needed. If my offense needed 30 homers, I'd. I'd rather have Jake Berger than Goldie at this point. If I needed a two way seven hole hitter, I'd much rather have Paul Goldschmidt.

[Mark Seal]

Right.

[Martin Luther King III]

Santana has some similar arguments. He crushed lefties last year. He played Gold Glove defense. That. Yeah, I think I'm okay with the olds tier. I'll tell you what. If I did this before free agency I would. I'd much rather have Nathaniel Lowe for a lefty reliever.

[Mark Seal]

Yeah, dude. Nationals made off like bandits in that. I feel like people don't realize that.

[Jolly Olive]

Just kind of forgot to do anything else this winter.

[Mark Seal]

Yeah, they had a very disappointing.

[Martin Luther King III]

They played a little scared this. But that move, that could be the right move. Okay, so that's Burger Hoskins, the Oriole Orioles hybrid human, which is a great play player. But his two people. If we're going to knock Luke Rayleigh. Platoon splits. Spencer Steer, you love.

[Mark Seal]

I like him. Solid player. I always like the Reds and they always let me down.

[Martin Luther King III]

I'll tell you what that bottom row. Miranda, Keith, Shanuel, Soderstrom. I've become a Jonah Bride guy.

[Jolly Olive]

The numbers are crazy.

[Martin Luther King III]

The numbers are kind of nice. Andrew Vaughn. You know how much of that stock I've had? Toglia barely got mentioned and he hit 25 last year with a 2.2 war.

[Mark Seal]

I met him. He's a massive human being.

[Martin Luther King III]

Is he a bottom row guy?

[Mark Seal]

We may have to split up the bottom row. That's the next conversation.

[Martin Luther King III]

That's the problem, Pop. I don't know how you do it. I don't know the difference between.

[Mark Seal]

I am perfectly comfortable leaving everyone there.

[Martin Luther King III]

I think, unfortunately, that's the answer. I. If I was a Rockies fan. Okay.

[Mark Seal]

Which you are. Never mind which you are. Mind you totally.

[Martin Luther King III]

It has some stuff he needs to work on.

[Mark Seal]

Yeah.

[Martin Luther King III]

And that's fine. So does everyone in the big strikeouts.

[Mark Seal]

Right?

[Martin Luther King III]

There are some strikeouts. Oh, yeah. He's hitting homers, which. Hey, we like those. But negative work. Okay. Earn your way. Earn your way. What would you change at this point? I just. I rambled up and down the list. Is there anything you would change? Yeah.

[Mark Seal]

You're having a. You're having a tough time.

[Martin Luther King III]

I am. I am. I. I'll Something I'm happy I've landed on. Because at first I was looking at this first baseless. I was like, what the. And I still obviously am to a degree. The depth at the position is a little impressive.

[Mark Seal]

Yeah.

[Martin Luther King III]

Jose Miranda can be good. Colt Keith can be good. Shanuel can be really good. Soda. Shm. I've gone through all these names. Horowitz had some nice numbers and is getting penciled in to be like. I like that there's not a couple of these positions you look at, like shortstop. I feel like Arcia and a couple of those names. It's like.

[Jolly Olive]

There's been. Like.

[Martin Luther King III]

There's no.

[Jolly Olive]

It sucks. We have to even talk about.

[Martin Luther King III]

There's no upside. It's. This is what you're gonna get, and that's okay. These guys have serious upside.

[Mark Seal]

I don't think there's a bad player. Is that crazy to say there's not.

[Jolly Olive]

A player on here that if they were on your team, you couldn't talk yourself into.

[Martin Luther King III]

Yeah. I mean, it'll turn. All these players have hope, which. That's. That's kind of cool. I mean, Jake Burger could. In that lineup if things click, like, get 100 RBIS. Reese has a. Okay.

[Jolly Olive]

Jake Burger just feels.

[Martin Luther King III]

Let's. Let's rename these S tier. You want the nine figures.

[Mark Seal]

I have it as nine figure.

[Martin Luther King III]

Yeah.

[Mark Seal]

That was just an easy separator for.

[Martin Luther King III]

Me, like chasing each other's wallets. You get paid, I get paid. I get paid. I'm about to get paid.

[Mark Seal]

I got new home, old home for my second tier. But we can think of something better.

[Jolly Olive]

I was thinking, I think, like, new Money. Because they both just signed a deal.

[Martin Luther King III]

Yeah. There's something about doing free agency right and doing free agency wrong.

[Mark Seal]

Come on.

[Jolly Olive]

Good cop, bad cop.

[Mark Seal]

Good owner, bad owner.

[Martin Luther King III]

Mitts.

[Mark Seal]

No, don't do that.

[Martin Luther King III]

Mets first basemans, I want to circle back right. Jolly likes the new home. What is it?

[Mark Seal]

There's something better there.

[Martin Luther King III]

There's something better. I'll come back to it. My brain hurts and Please make my brain hurt. Well, let's get. Let's. Casas, Vinnie, Tristan, Vinnie and Michael Bush, Pasquintino and Casas, Lefty futures. Give me 162. Something like that. I think it's.

[Mark Seal]

Give me 162.

[Martin Luther King III]

Give me 162.

[Mark Seal]

Because that was kind of the uniting thing with all of them.

[Martin Luther King III]

Yeah, I like that one B. Batting one. That's something. One more summer. I like that.

[Mark Seal]

I love one more summer. This one, the. The second to last I'm having trouble with. I'd love 30 homers.

[Jolly Olive]

A lot of good first baseman.

[Mark Seal]

That's also good.

[Martin Luther King III]

Yeah, some. Something with 30 homers.

[Mark Seal]

It's like, have they all done it? I mean, I'm sure the Orioles combined have done it, but Steer hasn't. Steer's been 20 back to back.

[Martin Luther King III]

What if that's need pop to pop? Like none of those guys are playing defense, right?

[Mark Seal]

Need pop to pop like Hoskins needs pop.

[Martin Luther King III]

Like 25 homers out of those guys is almost disappointing. Except Steer.

[Mark Seal]

Steer's kind of the oddball.

[Martin Luther King III]

I like need pop to pop.

[Jolly Olive]

I ain't Steer. If he did a 30 homer season.

[Martin Luther King III]

We'D be like, Spencer, he might fly up if he can pick it. Need pop to pop. That's just a fun word sentence to say. Pat, you're mad about this. I want to change that. We've got a lot of youth and potential. Potential.

[Mark Seal]

Something with like first base is stacked, like, I don't know.

[Martin Luther King III]

Potential in both directions.

[Mark Seal]

Like.

[Martin Luther King III]

If I'm an Angels fan, I'm not happy if I'm a fan of.

[Mark Seal]

Any of the games.

[Jolly Olive]

One of the spots they're happy with.

[Mark Seal]

Bottom tier, but not in a bad way.

[Jolly Olive]

No offense.

[Mark Seal]

No, that would read no offense.

[Martin Luther King III]

Your bad team should like this guy. I mean, Twins are the only ones that can get loud there. I think Tigers, your mad team should like this guy.

[Mark Seal]

Sure.

[Jolly Olive]

Likes this guy.

[Mark Seal]

Mid team, high upside, which that leaves.

[Martin Luther King III]

That Alonzo Walker tier is Walker Boris. No, right.

[Mark Seal]

Oh, I don't know.

[Martin Luther King III]

Martini Sports management.

[Mark Seal]

That's fake.

[Martin Luther King III]

Okay.

[Mark Seal]

Martini.

[Martin Luther King III]

I think it's just like something about.

[Jolly Olive]

Like a favorite Son.

[Martin Luther King III]

Yeah, I was. I just went to, like, the graduating class. Like, they just hit free agency together and they got compared like long lost brothers. Brothers. Yeah. Misplaced brothers.

[Mark Seal]

Two halves of an elite first baseman.

[Martin Luther King III]

Yeah. The glove and the stick. Yeah, the glove and the stick.

[Mark Seal]

The glove and the stick.

[Martin Luther King III]

Figure that out.

[Mark Seal]

All right, Geez.

[Martin Luther King III]

Let us know what was horrible. I think if you're a baseball fan, you just. You just went for the ride with us, and I think you understand why.

[Mark Seal]

I think this is a good list.

[Martin Luther King III]

I think this is a good list. I can see if I was a fan of the bottom row, I would be a little hot to trot.

[Jolly Olive]

The bottom two rows. I feel like. Yeah, honestly, you're not gonna be happy.

[Martin Luther King III]

Seeing your gun there. The depth of this position ended up actually making me feel better because I got scared when we were doing. We're doing the second. Second tier of first baseman, and I'm thinking about Wilson Contreras. I just. I don't know. And hopefully that comes true for Cardinals fans in baseball. Let us know where you think we went absolutely wrong. Let us know where we went right. Thank you to Jolly Olive, thank you to bbd, and thank you to Uncle Dan.

[Jolly Olive]

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[Martin Luther King III]

Welcome to My Legacy. I'm Martin Luther King iii, and together with my wife, Andrea Waters King, and our dear friends Marc and Craig Kilberger, we explore the personal journeys that shape extraordinary lives.

[Jess Hilarious]

Join us for heartfelt conversations with remarkable guests like David Oyelowo, Mel Robbins, Martin Sheen, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, and Billy Porter.

[Mark Seal]

Listen to My legacy on the iHeartRadio.

[Bobby Bones]

App, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Martin Luther King III]

This is my legacy.

[Bobby Bones]

Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirror ball trophy from Dancing with a Star. So where else you're gonna find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything. Listen to Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Martin Luther King III]

I'm Mark Seal.

[Nathan King]

And I'm Nathan King.

[Martin Luther King III]

This is Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli.

[Jolly Olive]

The five families did not want us.

[Martin Luther King III]

To shoot that picture.

[Nathan King]

This podcast is based on my co host, Mark Seals best selling book of the same title Leave the Gun Take the Cannoli features new and archival interviews with Francis Ford Coppola, Robert Evans, James Caan, Talia Shire, and many others.

[Mark Seal]

Yes, that was a real horse's head.

[Nathan King]

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