The Best of The Dan Patrick Show

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The Dan Patrick Show
Best of The Dan Patrick Show — March 9, 2026
iHeartPodcasts & Dan Patrick Podcast Network

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Dan Patrick Show delivers a packed sports talk experience, featuring deep dives into ongoing issues facing college sports, insights from NFL insider Mike Tannenbaum on free agency and team strategy, and a basketball-rich segment with Hall of Famer Reggie Miller. The lively discussions touch on legislative challenges for college athletics, NFL team-building philosophies, quarterback carousel drama, and candid retrospectives on legendary NBA figures and today’s generational talents.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. College Sports at the Crossroads: White House Roundtable & Legislation

Guest: Ross Dellinger (Yahoo Sports, College Football Reporter)
[02:12 – 11:26]

• Purpose of the White House Meeting (02:12)

  • Recently, 50 dignitaries convened at the White House to discuss the future of college athletics.
  • Notably absent: current coaches and athletes, prompting questions about effective representation.

• Ross Dellinger’s Takeaways (02:50)

  • “Plenty of people in attendance probably had a similar sigh after it wrapped up.” – Ross Dellinger (02:50)
  • The event's primary achievement: raising awareness and creating pressure on Congress.
  • Legislative challenges remain, as bills stall in the Senate, and the President’s executive order powers are limited.

• Current Bill Discussion: The SCORE Act (05:07)

  • “Not a whole lot of novel concepts that, that we learned. Just college sports folks, President complaining about judges and hoping for something to happen in Congress.” – Ross Dellinger (05:07)
  • No groundbreaking initiatives discussed, with reiterations of previous proposals.

• On Athlete Inclusion & Legislative Strategy (06:16)

  • The administration hints at future inclusion of athlete voices in ongoing subcommittees.
  • Real change hinges on Congress, not executive orders.

• Three Main Legislative Goals for College Sports (07:13)

  • Granting NCAA power to enforce its own rules.
  • Preempting state NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) laws.
  • Deeming athletes “not employees” to avoid collective bargaining complications.

• Nick Saban’s Role & Partisan Divide (08:18)

  • The President wants Saban as a leading voice, though Saban has been reluctant.
  • Political gridlock: Republicans tend toward NCAA empowerment/restrictions on athletes; Democrats push for athlete freedoms.
  • The real issue: balancing regulation and freedom amid unprecedented athlete mobility and compensation.

• Is College Football Healthier Now? (10:01)

  • “Since athletes are getting some kind of compensation right now... you have to say it’s in a better situation. But… the inconsistent eligibility standard… it’s not in the greatest place.” – Ross Dellinger (10:01)
  • The need for a middle ground—potentially through collective bargaining, though that remains a complex, distant prospect.

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2. NFL Free Agency & Team-Building Philosophy

With Mike Tannenbaum (ESPN NFL Front Office Insider) & Dan Patrick
[16:04 – 28:48]

• Miami Dolphins’ Quarterback Situation & Tanking (16:04)

  • New GM and head coach are seemingly resetting, perhaps foreshadowing a “bridge year” over short-term wins.
  • Next year’s draft class (deep at QB) is a key consideration for numerous teams.

• Guaranteed Contracts & The “Value QB” Phenomenon (17:41)

  • QBs like Tua Tagovailoa, Kyler Murray, Geno Smith have “massive guarantees” from former teams, making them bargains for new teams.

• Draft Strategy: Patient or Aggressive? (18:39)

  • Buffalo, Rams, Ravens lauded for “all-in” approaches (e.g., trading picks for star talent like DJ Moore, Max Crosby, McDuffie).
  • “The expectations for a rookie head coach [in Baltimore] have never been higher… his honeymoon’s about ten minutes.” – Mike Tannenbaum (19:22)

• Las Vegas Raiders’ Priorities (20:20)

  • Offensive line is the top need, especially if developing rookie QB Mendoza.
  • Advocates not rushing Mendoza onto the field—emphasizing Andrew Luck’s example.

• QB Trade Market and the Draft (21:24)

  • Raiders’ leverage impacted by next year’s deep QB class; teams won’t overpay for #1 overall pick.

• Best Recent Moves: Rams, Ravens, or Bills? (22:12)

  • “I’m going with the Rams... If we look at the Rams and say what was outcome-determinative, I would tell you: their lack of play at corner.” – Tannenbaum (22:12)
  • Acquiring McDuffie seen as a game-changer for LA’s defense.

• Quarterback “Buckets” and Market Dynamics (23:17)

  • Veteran QBs on cheap deals (Tua, Geno, Kyler) are a market inefficiency.
  • Malik Willis is a fascinating wild card.

• Kirk Cousins, Kyler Murray & the Analyst Transition (24:41)

  • Cousins’ future: TV or another late-career run? Minnesota roster remains attractive for “win-now” veterans.

• JJ McCarthy and QB Development Realities (26:19)

  • Caution against “giving up too soon” – notable as several high draft picks blossom only after multiple stops.
  • Eye-opening stat: “Kyler Murray is the seventh consecutive quarterback drafted first overall that wasn’t on the team that drafted him by the age of 30.” – Tannenbaum (27:37)

• Behind the Scenes: Negotiation War Stories (28:13)

  • Tannenbaum recounts heated agent negotiations, including hiring a rival’s son as an intern after a blowup.

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3. NBA Spotlight: Reggie Miller on Wembanyama, the GOAT Debate, & Playoff Stakes

Guest: Reggie Miller (Hall of Famer, Analyst)
[29:30 – 48:46]

• Victor Wembanyama’s Ascendancy (29:30)

  • Miller praises Wemby’s evolution: embracing physical play, spiritual growth (“travels with the monks”), and unique on-court experience.
  • “Wimby is a must-see experience because you truly do not know what you are going to see.” – Reggie Miller (30:53)

• Competitive Fire & All-Star Game Culture Shift (31:58)

  • “He wants to be out there every minute and he wants to be out there competing…he saved the All Star game, which he did.” – Miller (31:58)
  • Notes contrast with American-born stars and observes Wemby’s impact on resetting All-Star intensity norms.

• Building for the Future: Top NBA Talents (33:12)

  • For the next 5 years, Miller picks Wemby as top “franchise cornerstone,” lauds his humility and preparation.
  • “He’s with the perfect organization…they basically evaded load management back to the Popovich and Tim Duncan days.” – Miller (34:01)

• Jayson Tatum’s Return & Celtics in Contention (34:23)

  • Miller expresses optimism about Tatum’s comeback from Achilles injury; likes Boston’s playoff trajectory.
  • Predicts physical, defensive matchup with the Spurs.

• Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James: The GOAT Debate (36:08)

  • Miller explains why MJ stays out of the debate: “That’s our job, our job to look at the scoreboard…All he needs to do is hold up this and that’s it. This. Six finals MVPs.” – Reggie Miller (36:32)
  • Differentiates between best “player” and best “career”:
    • “MJ, Kobe, and then LeBron. Just because... body of work between Kobe and I that I can, you know, I have a sample size against.” – Miller (39:59)

• Defending Legends: Inside the Mind Games (40:22)

  • “I tried to put as much pressure and make them work as hard as they possibly were making me work... I tried to make it a marathon versus those guys.” – Miller (40:43)

• Participation Trophies & Kids’ Sports Mentality (41:53)

  • Blasts LA Marathon’s 18-mile medal: “Come on now. That can’t happen then. Really?” – Miller (41:53)
  • “It drives me absolutely mad, Theodore. I mean, it does, because what are we teaching these kids? That’s not how life works.” – Miller (42:34)

• The Sting of Losing in the Finals (43:09)

  • When asked about runner-up rewards: “Yeah, you know what I got? [Nothing]. That’s all we got.” – Miller (43:13)
  • “It stings much more [to lose in the Finals] because you say to yourself, when can I win four games when you get to the Finals?” – Miller (44:02)
  • Jokes he’d give up part of his pinky to win a championship.

• Finals Journey & Kobe Stories (47:00)

  • Recounts his time with Larry Bird as a coach and battles with Lakers in the Finals.
  • Reveals Kobe “stole” his own step-back move after direct lessons—even using it against Miller in the Finals: “I love how you do that…I saw you do this against MJ…That fool was writing it down and using those moves against me…” – Miller (48:09)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Wimby is a must-see experience because you truly do not know what you are going to see and what you do see and witness…it’s like I don’t think I’ve seen a human being do that.”
  — Reggie Miller, [30:53]

• “The expectations for a rookie head coach [in Baltimore] have never been higher... Like, this guy’s honeymoon’s about ten minutes.”
  — Mike Tannenbaum, [19:22]

• “Kyler Murray is the seventh consecutive quarterback drafted first overall that wasn’t on the team that drafted him by the age of 30.”
  — Mike Tannenbaum, [27:37]

• “That’s not how life works. Right? In the business world, it does not work. You do not get a participation trophy for coming in second or third.”
  — Reggie Miller, [42:34]

• “If you and I were running the Chiefs and we were just drafting the players on the Chiefs, clearly Patrick Mahomes is the best player. I’m not so sure that Trent McDuffie isn’t two or three…”
  — Mike Tannenbaum, [22:12]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• College Athletics, Legislation & White House Roundtable — [02:12 – 11:26]
• NFL Free Agency, Team-Building Philosophy — [16:04 – 28:48]
• Reggie Miller on Wembanyama & Modern NBA Icons — [29:30 – 48:46]
  • Wembanyama’s evolution & impact — [29:30 – 34:23]
  • Celtics, Tatum’s comeback — [34:23 – 36:08]
  • MJ/Kobe/LeBron GOAT debate — [36:08 – 40:22]
  • Finals heartbreak & Kobe stories — [43:09 – 48:46]

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Summary

This episode exemplifies the Dan Patrick Show’s mix of sharp sports insight, humor, and storytelling. Legislative frustration and philosophical divides came into focus with the college sports roundtable; NFL conversations swirled with speculation on the new QB era and aggressive team-building; and Reggie Miller’s passion illuminated the NBA segments, blending admiration for emerging talent with reflections on iconic careers and hard-learned lessons about victory and defeat.

Listeners walk away with both an informed perspective on sports business and culture and a sense of the resilient, competitive spirit that animates the games and the people behind them.

Transcript

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You know the college football, college basketball, the whole conference that they had at the White House on Friday and the president there. You had 50 esteemed individuals who were there representing different, different entities. You know, you have former coaches, you have TV executives. I wanted to know why not have a current coach and or current player or players because you are talking about them. Ross Dellinger covering the event on Friday. Yahoo Sports senior college football reporter. What was your biggest takeaway from this on Friday?

[Dan Patrick]

Ross Dan, I noticed that you, you let out an exhaustive sigh as you started to talk before you started talking about this event, and I would say that plenty of people in attendance probably had a similar sigh after it wrapped up. You know, I think the goal of this event, Dan, was to bring attention to the issue by gathering all these important people, these dignitaries at the White House in front of the President. So I think there was a goal of, number one, bring attention to the issue and number two, by way of bringing attention to it, maybe you put pressure on congressional lawmakers to push something through College sports bill through the, the Congress, which is what the president wants, has said he wants. And I think actually it, it accomplished goal one. It certainly got people talking and had attention brought to it. Whether we'll get a college sports bill from it, I'm not sure. There's a fight in the Senate over a bill and a fight in the House right now, and there's a bill that probably could get floor of the House to govern college athletics as, as soon as next week, but I don't know that it'll pass. There's confidence it'll pass the House. There's not confidence, as we learned during the roundtable on Friday at the White House that it will pass the Senate. So still a lot of hurdles. And of course, one of the things we found out that was a little bit of a surprise, Dan, was the President saying he'll issue another executive order to govern college athletics. Not sure what will be in that, but he, he already issued one back in the summer and it hadn't changed much about anything. So I'm not sure how this one will.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Yeah. And if I'm wrong, tell me. But an executive order can't make a law, provide antitrust exemptions or override state laws or policies in the executive order, they can be challenged in court. So I don't, I don't know what's going to come out of this, if anything, but were there any ideas, any initiatives that were actually brought up in this roundtable?

[Dan Patrick]

Not anything novel or groundbreaking. There's a good amount of this time spent discussing the SCORE act, the, the college sports bill that's in the House that has twice failed to get to the floor because they didn't have the votes. And again that I think next week or maybe for the following week, we will see that finally move. There's a lot of talk about the SCORE act, and then there was a lot of talk from the President specifically about the judicial system, which you could tell he has sort of a vendetta against because of rulings that have come against him the last few months or so. So he, he sort of blamed college sports's current situation on, on judges and on their. On their rulings. So, no, get back to your question. Not a whole lot of novel concepts that, that we learned. Just college sports folks sit President complaining about judges and hoping for something to happen in Congress.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Why not a current coach or current players?

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, well, I mean, I think a group of. Small group of media. We got a few questions in at the very end and someone did ask the president why there wasn't a current college athlete on the, on the panel. And he turned to Randy Levine, who's the Yankees president, who actually put together sort of put together the roundtable and said that while there's no current athlete now around this specific roundtable, that in the future, as this group continues, there will be athlete voices sort of joining in the. And apparently the group will continue maybe not as big. They're going to break off into sort of like a smaller subgroup, I don't know, three, five, ten people to continue working with the legislature. This is, that's the thing, Dan, that you read all that's accurate about the president in an executive order. He can't do a whole lot. There's not a whole lot of power there.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

You need.

[Dan Patrick]

You need congressional action. So this small subgroup of the roundtable will work with lawmakers to try to shape college sports legislation that grants conferences in the NCAA the power to enforce their rules, preempts the state nil laws and deems athletes as not employees. That's sort of the three main things they want to happen now for the casual fan, Dan, part of what they want is an antitrust exemption to enforce their rules around transfers and the cap, the salary cap that we have now in college athletics in the movement, just the movement of people transferring in eligibility standards. So that's how the casual fan might eventually see a bill come to fruition. Is so much pressure from all these eligibility cases that we've seen in the movement of transfers in college athletics.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

What role does Nick Saban play?

[Dan Patrick]

Well, you know, I think he's. He's got a pretty big voice, number one. And for whatever reason, the president wants him to play a very big role. He was, you know, there was this commission or this roundtable that was put together was something last spring almost a year ago that kind of got out publicly and the president wanted Nick Saban to chair it. And Nick actually didn't really didn't want to be involved. And so somehow he got talked into being involved now at this, at this round table, he certainly got a big voice and the president wants to be, wants him involved. And you know, if you listen to Nick Saban, you know, he's, he's got a lot of good ideas. I think he's, he's got other ideas that some athlete rights folks may disagree with as far as the restrictions imposed on athletes. And that, that's the real argument here, Dan, and that's why Congress can't get a bill through, is because you have most Republicans that are leaning toward the NCAA sort of side and more restrictions on athletes and more control for the NCAA and a Democratic side, more control and freedom for athletes. But right now that control and freedom is, as the college administrators might say, kind of out of control.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Right.

[Dan Patrick]

And so they want some kind of rules and regulation. So you have this fight going on between Republican Democrats that I don't see getting resolved anytime soon.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

College football in better shape now or 10 years ago,

[Dan Patrick]

Since athletes are getting some kind of compensation right now from the multi billion dollar business that is college football. You have to say it's in a better situation. But I think the unregulation in the intense movement that we're seeing among transfers and things like that in the situation with the inconsistent eligibility standard, that it's, it's not in a place, it's not in the greatest place. Right. That it could be. So there's this, there's a balance that has to be struck on how many, how much rule and regulation, how much restriction do you put on athletes? Because they, you know, 10 years ago, Dan, they had virtually none, right? They had, they had no, hardly any freedoms. And now maybe the argument is they have too many freedoms and so we don't have any rule and regulation. There's got to be sort of a balance there. And usually you get to that balance by what the NFL and all the pro leagues have done, Dan which is collective bargaining. But it's not that easy in college and it has been a big topic of discussion, but it's not like you can push a button and get there. But many administrators want to try to start taking steps, Dan down it down toward a collective bargaining agreement of some sort with major college football and basketball players.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Thank you, Ross.

[Dan Patrick]

Yep, good to be on.

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Great question, I think. Dan they're resetting things. It's year one. Let's take the cap charges. Let's eat A lot of the money this year. Some of it's going to go to next year and start fresh. I think it's sending a message about culture and more about the future than, hey, if we win six or Seven games or eight games this year, that doesn't matter. So I understand why they were doing year one with a new head coach, year one with new gm.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Are the Dolphins going to be tanking?

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I don't know if they're going to be tanking, but I think what's going to be really interesting, Dan, if you and I are having this conversation October and November, there'll be a number of teams that are probably more interested in fishing closer to the top of the draft than to make in the playoffs. And I don't know if they're going to have a tanking problem the way the NBA does. But without question, next year's draft is loaded with quarterbacks and there's going to be a number of teams that may be out of it in the middle of the season. It'll be interesting to see how they comport themselves when we get there.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

But Tua, if he signs with the team, he still gets his money from Miami.

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That's correct. There's three. There's three quarterbacks right now, Kyler, Murray, Geno Smith and Tua, that all have massive guarantees from their previous team. All three of those quarterbacks will sign for about $1.3 million this year. So it's not necessarily comparing apples to apples when you talk about Daniel Jones or Kirk Cousins or Malik Willis with those other three, because a team is going to see one of those three players as tremendous value.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

If you ran the Dolphins, what are you going to do at quarterback position?

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I'm probably looking for a bridge quarterback and then looking at next year's draft because it could be historically great. Look, the season hasn't been played yet. We'll see how it goes. But you know, there's a chance for it to be really good. So not, not just necessarily Miami, Dan. But if I felt like I was a year away or just trying to establish myself, there's, you know, over 10 new head coaches. I'm sure a lot of teams are going to have a very similar mindset.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Max Crosby, Raiders, getting two first round picks from the Ravens. Let me start with the Ravens because I wondered about this last week. Why aren't more teams taking the approach the Rams take? Like Buffalo getting DJ Moore? I mean, I, I gotta be all in because we know that window of opportunity doesn't stay open very long. And the Rams, it feels like for the last decade, have been all in. We don't need our draft picks. We're going to get people who can help us win or at least compete for another Super Bowl. The Ravens went all in with Max Crosby, Buffalo with D.J. moore, the Rams, you know, getting McDuffie. Why don't more teams follow that blueprint?

[Sports Analyst/Commentator (possibly a co-host or guest analyst)]

Yeah, I think it's very sound. And in particular you were asking about Crosby. You know, there's a couple of really interesting things. First of all, he's only 29. He's incredibly productive and he's exactly what you want for your locker room. He's a force multiplier. He's going to make everybody in that program better. The interesting thing, Dan, that no one's really talked about is Jesse Mentor went from this nice young ascending coach that will have, you know, a reasonable break in period to like there is no honeymoon. Like the expectations for a rookie head coach have never been higher. If Lamar is healthy, he's a two time mvp. You have one of the two or three best pass rushers in the league. You have Derrick Henry, Roquan Smith, Kyle Hamilton, amongst others. Like this Guy's Honeymoons about 10 minutes.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

If you ran the Raiders, what do you do? You got more cap space than anybody. You got two first round picks. We know what you're doing with one of them. What would you be leaning towards if you were running the team?

[Sports Analyst/Commentator (possibly a co-host or guest analyst)]

Three things. Offensive line, offensive line, offensive line. I am, Dan. I am drafting Mendoza, but I am not playing him. I would have kept Geno Smith and here's why. If you go back last year they gave up more sacks than any team. You can look at it from a few different metrics. Don't ruin Fernando Mendoza before he's ready. I think he has a chance on the upside, Dan, to be Matt Ryan, a taller guy, a good arm, a good athlete, not a great athlete. He's going to need a firm pocket. That's something that the Raiders have really struggled with. So why are we in a rush to play him? I would go out and get somebody else to start at least half the year and make sure that your offensive line is settled before you do anything with Mendoza because you don't want to ruin his career before they have a chance to be good.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Yeah, I'm right there with you. I've been using the Andrew Luck analogy that you had this future hall of fame quarterback. You just didn't have a very good offensive line and it eventually caught up to both the cold Andrew Luck. Can you quietly shop the number one pick if you're the Raiders?

[Sports Analyst/Commentator (possibly a co-host or guest analyst)]

Yeah, I'm not so sure they have it, you know, like just from teams, be it Arizona or the jets. Could just say, hey, run into them at the combine say, look, we're not negotiating. Tell me what the bill is, tell me what the price is. Is it three ones, is it four ones? Chances are, you know teams are going to do that because I'm sure they're looking at it at a multi year sort of view of what we had talked about. When you think about Dante Moore next year, Arch Manning, Lenora Sellers, like on and on and on, they'll probably be, I think five or six first round quarterbacks if they play, you know, reasonably well this year. So I think part of what's going to hurt the Raiders from a leverage standpoint is teams are going to look at next year and say we'll pay a premium but we're not going to be unreasonable.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Who had a better week or 10 days? Bills, Ravens, Rams?

[Sports Analyst/Commentator (possibly a co-host or guest analyst)]

I'm going with the Rams. If you and I were running the Chiefs and we were just drafting the players on the Chiefs, clearly Patrick Mahomes is the best player. I'm not so sure that Trent McDuffie isn't two or three of their best players. He can blitz, he can tackle, he could play man, he could play zone, he could play slot, he can play outside. He's very competitive. There's nothing he doesn't do exceptionally well. And if we look at the Rams and say like what was outcome determinative, I would tell you like their lack of play at corner, you know, Darius Williams, Emmanuel Forbes, they didn't get the high level play and we're going to have to at some point cover Jackson Smith and Jigba man to man. You know, we're going to have to be able to get off the field on third down. They could do that today. They couldn't do that a week ago and I was surprised. Look, I know we've seen Kansas City trade the Jerry Sneed, we've seen him trade Tyree kill. I put McDuffie in a different category. I think he's a great young player and I was surprised that they traded him.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

He's Mike Tannenbaum, ESPN NFL Front Office Insider. What do you expect the rest of this week?

[Sports Analyst/Commentator (possibly a co-host or guest analyst)]

I think the quarterbacks are going to be fascinating because I, I think you put that bucket of three in one group again, then that's Tua Kyler Murray and Geno Smith. Those are guys are all one year deals at a million three. So like that's one bucket. I don't think anybody goes after Daniel Jones because of the durability issue. But let's face it, Dan, like the Colts are a little Bit exposed. They took a $6 million risk. The transition tag was 6 million less than the franchise tag, understandably. But now let's see what happens with him. And then the other one's going to be Malik Willis. Malik Willis was somebody that hasn't played a lot, but got a lot better with Green Bay. And it's gonna be fascinating to see where he signs.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

What about the Colts going after Kyler Murray?

[Sports Analyst/Commentator (possibly a co-host or guest analyst)]

You know, that's interesting, Dan. They like Riley Leonard, they still have Anthony Richardson. Obviously they like Daniel Jones. That's why they transition him. Look, if you and I were running a team, I would say for $1.3 million, let's go get Kyle Murray. His ceiling is really high. He's only 29 years old. He's played good football, not consistently, but he's put it on tape. And I'm always for. In a capped and constrained system, when you could take calculated risks and get a player that has a ability for incredibly on a 300 million dollar cap, you're essentially paying him nothing. At 1.3 million, there's very, very little downside.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Aaron Rodgers only going to have the Steelers as a potential landing spot?

[Sports Analyst/Commentator (possibly a co-host or guest analyst)]

Yeah, I think so. I mean, I think Minnesota if, if things didn't work out with Murray, I mean that's the only other team. But you know, let's face it, Dan, he's going to be 43 in December. He's an all time great, one of the best that ever played. But it's close to the end and what you worry about there. And I've been around Test Averdi at the end, Farb at the end. I work with Dan Marino, like talking to him. It's not their arm, Dan, it's their legs and their inability to protect themselves. And you know he's gonna be 43 father times undefeated. And if I'm Aaron Rogers, I gotta take a long, honest and sober view of do I really need to do this one more year?

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Yeah, I just wonder about landing spots. Even Kirk Cousins, does he look at TV and maybe commit to cbs, but with the caveat or the asterisk of if somebody calls, I might be leaving. Although I don't know if CBS would do that. I think he had a pretty good debut as an analyst here. But if you're going to replace Matt Ryan, you kind of want to know that that guy's going to be there on Sunday when you're doing your broadcast.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator (possibly a co-host or guest analyst)]

Yeah, if I'm her Cousins, like I got to be close to the end as well. Like, you know, he's a great dad by all accounts. You know, CBS seems like a pretty good opportunity. You know, we'll see. You know, sometimes these guys are so competitive, though, it's, it's hard for them to leave. And by the way, a quarterback is going to look at Minnesota and say, I could be coached by Kevin o'. Connell. I have Justin Jefferson, arguably the best receiver in the game, Jordan Addison, T.J. hawkinson. That's a pretty good place to be.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

How did did Minnesota Miss on JJ McCarthy? Like, it feels like we haven't said the, the quiet thing out loud yet, but it certainly feels like they realized they made a mistake.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator (possibly a co-host or guest analyst)]

Yeah, I'm not ready to go there yet. He started 10 games. I think we got to give him a great event complete. He's incredibly young. I saw him practice probably six times at Michigan. He has attributes you can't see. He's a natural leader. He has poise about him and I think there's too much upside to give up on them now. With that said, if we could go get Kyle and Murray or Kirk Cousins, I'm gonna have a competition. But you know, we've seen too many guys from Darnold, Geno Smith, Baker Mayfield, you know, go to their third and fourth team until, you know, quote unquote, the light went on. And to me, we gotta remember this, like, worst case scenario is not J.J. mcCarthy not working out, it's him working out someplace else.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Yeah, yeah, that's true. But it feels like you're either good, really good with your team or you know that you're going to get, you're going to be a backup quarterback and then you're going to get your chance again. It feels like there's two buckets of quarterbacks. It's that guy's going to bounce around and be Sam Darnold or Baker Mayfield or Geno Smith or you are going to get that quarterback who is going to be with your franchise from start to finish.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator (possibly a co-host or guest analyst)]

Yeah. How about this? Like I just tweeted this a couple minutes ago. This is a remarkable statistic. Kyler Murray is the seventh consecutive quarterback drafted first overall that wasn't on the team that drafted him by the age of 30. The last quarterback to be drafted first overall and still be on his team at 30 was Matt Stafford and he was drafted going back to 2009. So it's really remarkable how hard it is to develop a quarterback Now. Andrew Luck retired, but yes, seven quarterbacks in a row didn't make it to age of 30.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

You ever get in a shouting match with an agent.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator (possibly a co-host or guest analyst)]

Yeah, more times than I would care to admit.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Can you, can you give me one? You don't have to give names. But what, how loud did it get?

[Sports Analyst/Commentator (possibly a co-host or guest analyst)]

Oh, it got got loud. There was one, it was so bad that I actually not only did I called him to apologize, I wound up hiring his son as an intern because I felt so bad.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

We'll be watching. Thank you, Mike. Great to talk to you again.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator (possibly a co-host or guest analyst)]

All right. Appreciate you having me. Thanks, Dan.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

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[Reggie Miller]

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[Mike Tannenbaum]

Search FSR to listen live. He was on the call for the Rockets and the spurs last night on NBC. And Peacock, Reggie Miller back with us. Also coast to coast on Tuesday, stays in San Antonio, the Celtics and the spurs, eight eastern, also on NBC. And Peacock, Wemby. Wemby again. Wemby both ends of the floor, inside and out. He shoots over 80% from the free throw line. I'm trying to figure out what he doesn't do at the ripe old age of 22.

[Reggie Miller]

I think he's starting to figure it out. And I think what I've been most impressed with, especially this year, he is embracing how teams are playing him because the knock, especially the first year, be physical with him, get up under him, kind of move him around. And I think because of last year his season was shortened because of the blood clots. We didn't get a huge sample size of games. But I think he went back to the lab this offseason. We saw all his travels with the monks and different places trying to figure out the meaning of life and the game of basketball to him. And he's come back with a sense of purpose, of matching other teams physicality. Again, he's still not the biggest guys, but he's embracing how these teams are playing them. And if you just case in point, the last three games he went against the Detroit Pistons, a very physical team, the LA Clippers, who have a number of players who like to play physical. And even last night with the Houston Rockets, they have a starting lineup of 6, 6, 6, 7, 6, 9 and 7ft with Kevin Durant and they tried to get up under him, they tried to be physical with him. He embraces that now and almost uses it against them. And you're right. And I was trying to think and I was trying to put myself in the shoes of fans of players that it is an experience when you watch them play Dan and I, I'm thinking like MJ was like that because you didn't know what you were going to see with MJ on the court. I put Stephen Curry in that because of his ability to shoot the basketball. To me, Wimby is a must see experience because you, you truly do not know what you are going to see and what you do see and witness. It's like I don't think I've seen a human being do that.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

But what I'm also seeing is somebody who cares. If you saw him in the All Star game, you saw him in the Olympics, even the comeback game against the Clippers where he got emotional, he truly cares about the outcome of the game. And I find that really rare and certainly at the age of, you know, I brought up 22.

[Reggie Miller]

Isn't it refreshing? All right. I mean, yeah, we get so jaded nowadays because of some of these big contracts and load management guys not wanting to play. Here's a guy who again, he'll listen to the trainers and the doctors for the spurs, but he wants to be out there every minute and he wants to be out there competing. And I just wonder if our American born players and some of the, the elite players are getting tired of the talk that Victor Wembanyama saved the All Star game, which he did. He set the tone in that first game, how hard he came out and played. And I wonder if our American born players are looking at this saying, you know what, that that should be us, that's how we should be playing. And you have this Frenchman setting the tone. And I'm not the only one saying that he saved the All Star game. But a lot of people are saying that because of how, how he approached it. And it's just refreshing to see that he competes so hard in just his third season and he sets, he's just sets a precedence.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

I'll give you anybody in the league for the next five years. Who you taking?

[Reggie Miller]

Oh, I would take him because of what he does at both ends of the floor.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Anybody close?

[Reggie Miller]

Kate Cunningham would be in there. I think Cooper flag will have his moments. Again, Cooper's only what, 19, 20. But for the next five years, right now he's the face and he's a very humble kid. But yet how he approaches the game, he's very thoughtful, he's very methodical in terms of prep for a game, prep for his body. The only thing that will be a knock going forward will be the injury part. And right now he's with the perfect organization because they basically evaded load management back to the great Popovich and Tim Duncan, Mommy Ginobi, Tony Parker days. So he's with the perfect organization in terms of saving his body going forward. And you know what? Protecting him for himself because he, again, he wants to be out there every minute competing at a high level.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Speaking of being out there, Jason Tatum comes back. It's not like they eased him into the lineup. He was in the lineup. And I, I love watching this team. And now Tatum back. I think they're the team to beat in the East.

[Reggie Miller]

I agree. I agree with, and especially with the recent slide of the Detroit Pistons. I think they've lost their last three. I still think Detroit will win the east, but I think Boston is in the perfect situation because now you have a long Runway for Jayson Tatum to get into basketball shape. Almost a month until the season is over, and then the first, first and second rounds. That's another two to three weeks. So it almost has two months, two full months to get in basketball shape. This past game on Saturday in Cleveland, he played 27 minutes. This is a guy that's been off for 10 months with an Achilles injury, Achilles tear, and he comes back and he played 27 minutes on the road. I thought they were going to play him in even smaller increments, but it just lets me know that he was. He's been back for a while because for him to come back and play at this level and play those minutes, impactful minutes, it means he's been practicing and lifting and whatever else he's been doing. It's been absolutely remarkable. And it's going to be a fun game tomorrow because two great defensive teams, Boston, the Spurs, and it'll be interesting because he will be tested. Him, Brown, Pritchard, they will all be tested on the wings because the spurs play a very physical style as well defensively, this should be a very fun and entertaining game.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Michael Jordan says he doesn't get involved in the goat debate. The latest interview that Mike Tirico did with him, you talked about it on the broadcast. Why would Mike get involved in the goat debate?

[Reggie Miller]

Because we're his minions. That's our jobs, to serve the king, right?

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Yeah, but he doesn't have to say anything. He doesn't have to say a word. He just goes, scoreboard, right?

[Reggie Miller]

That's, that's our job, our job to look at the scoreboard and go like this. All he needs to do is hold up this and, and that's it. This six finals MVPs. Look, it's. I haven't I didn't play against everyone that's ever played. I never played, like he said, against Oscar, Jerry west and all that. But I do know what it does feel like to go against him, Kobe, LeBron for one season. And I love all those guys. It's hard to. He will never win if he interjects himself, puts himself in that place again. That's our place. That's our job. Yours and eyes. Because from you, your eye test, you've been around a long time. You've seen a lot of basketball. I played against a lot of great players. The Magics, the Larry's, the Michaels. I played against them all, so I kind of get it. But again, that's not our job to do that.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator (possibly a co-host or guest analyst)]

It's.

[Reggie Miller]

And that's not his job to do that.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Yeah. You know, it's weird when I get asked this question because, look, you can build up a resume for LeBron and you go, what he did to do it for over 20 years. And you know, consistency. But you see Kobe and it's. And it's weird how I think Kobe got kind of. Oh, I think we lost you, Reg. Oh, yeah. Start bringing up Jordan. Here we go. Yeah. Todd will see if he can get Reg back on there. I'm just glad that Mike Tirico, you know, Mike hadn't been that busy the last, you know, six weeks. I'm glad that he got to do something where all. Reg is back. Yeah. Got to sit down with Jordan again for another interview. But, you know, Kobe's the one that, like, if I'm you and you say, okay, you gotta face LeBron, Mike, Kobe, like Kobe is Mike. I mean, it's. LeBron's a different, different animal out there. But, like, style wise, Kobe is. Is Mike Cuzine. He patterned himself after.

[Reggie Miller]

I think, I think we get caught up when we talk about the goat situation in the go debate. To me, the best player of the three is mj. Colby is a clone and a better version. Like, he's Mike on steroids, better jump shooter. To me, the fundamentals were better because he perfected them to be like the master mj. If you're talking about careers, the best career out of all three of those, in my opinion is LeBron because of the longevity and what he has done eight straight finals.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

But you, you. You put emphasis on career, and rightfully so, career versus as a player.

[Reggie Miller]

Yeah, there's a difference. So, I mean, LeBron has had the best career out of anyone. For him to continue to play like this at this level, this late in his career. But if we're going stack for stack player to me, MJ, Kobe and then LeBron.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Oh, in that order.

[Reggie Miller]

To me.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator (possibly a co-host or guest analyst)]

In that order.

[Reggie Miller]

Just because, look, I only had one year versus LeBron. My last year, his rookie year, I got tattooed by mj. I got tattooed by Kobe at a high level, you know, facing Kobe in the finals. So there's a body of work between Kobe and I that I can, you know, I have a sample size against.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

It's. It's interesting when I watch defenders on guys who were supposed to score and how you don't let it affect you, but I don't know how you don't. Like, if you're guarding Kobe on the wing and everybody's watching.

[Reggie Miller]

Yeah.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

And all of a sudden he blows by you and, you know, dunks like. How do you not take that personally?

[Reggie Miller]

Well, you never wanted to show emotions when you were playing those two guys. And I tried as much as possible not to, because I tried to put pressure on them at the other end as well, because I'm blown by them as well. You know, I. I tried to put as much pressure and make them work as hard as they possibly were making me work to try to tire them out. Both of those players, Kobe, Mike, they were superior athletes in fantastic shape, which is very difficult to do. So, you know, you. I heard you earlier talking about the LA Marathon and, you know, running the 26 miles and all that. I tried to make it a marathon versus those guys and make it a track meet and constantly keep them in motion to try and tire them down. Some games it worked, other games it didn't, but that's what I tried to do versus those two players.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Talking to Reggie Miller, he was on the call for Rocket spurs last night. He'll be staying in San Antonio. Celtic spurs. That's tomorrow night, 8 Eastern on NBC. And Peacock, what do you make of this LA Marathon? If you run 18 miles, you get the same medal as those who completed the New York or the.

[Reggie Miller]

What's the deal with the participation trophies? Come on now.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

They talked about the heat. They talked about the heat and. But I can't give you the same metal. The same exact metal.

[Reggie Miller]

Is it the exact same metal?

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Yes.

[Reggie Miller]

Come on. That can't happen then. Really? The marathon was 18 miles and not 26? Correct.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Yeah, can't do that.

[Reggie Miller]

We're giving out participation medals for just going 18 miles. No.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Yeah, but you got. You got kids, they probably get participation trophies.

[Reggie Miller]

And it drives me absolutely mad, Theodore. I mean, it does, because what are we teaching These kids. That's not how life works. Right? In the business world, it does not work. You do not get a participation trophy for coming in second or third. Work hard. Go back to the lab, get in the gym, go outside and start shooting. Hey. Get on the field and start working on your fielding. Learn how to catch the football.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Did you get anything for finishing runner up in the NBA Finals?

[Reggie Miller]

Yeah, you know what I got? That's it?

[Sports Analyst/Commentator (possibly a co-host or guest analyst)]

Yeah.

[Reggie Miller]

That's all we got.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Like Kobe. Kobe gave you a pat on the back and said, yeah, I'm a champ.

[Reggie Miller]

Why are you torturing me right now? Oh, no, no.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

I didn't know who gave you the pat on the back. Did you give yourself a pad? Shaq gave me a paddle.

[Reggie Miller]

Gave me a paddle. Boule. You guys played hard. Rick, Dale. They couldn't. They couldn't guard a big diesel. That was the problem. I was like, okay, you're right, big fella. You right, big fella.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

If you had to pick that, you're going to get bounced in the second round of the postseason or you're going to lose in the NBA Finals.

[Reggie Miller]

I'll always take the Finals because anything can happen once you get there. But it. It hurt. Trust me. It stings much more. It stings much more because you say to yourself, we can I win four games when you get to the Finals? That's what you say. I've got to win four games. And then when we went down 20 going back home and we won game three, we're like, we are. You're saying three wins. You would do anything to win three games. And. Yeah, so that's how desperate you get. And that's the thinking you have to have. And I know people want to be politically correct, but you are counting down to 16 wins once you get to the NBA playoffs. And once you get to the Finals, you just say, how can I win four games before that other team?

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Would you give up part of your pinky finger on your left hand Friendship? Yeah.

[Reggie Miller]

People understand. Oh, man. Yeah. Can I. On my left hand?

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Yeah.

[Reggie Miller]

Oh, I still can shoot it.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator (possibly a co-host or guest analyst)]

Yeah.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Yeah.

[Reggie Miller]

I can hold the ball. Yeah. Give me the ball. Give me the ball.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Nine and a half fingers. Miller.

[Reggie Miller]

Yeah, just. Just give me the ball, people. Yes. Yes, I would. It wouldn't stink to me. The reason why I feel this way, people, and I want to explain this to them. If I had never been so close for so many years, so many conference finals versus the Knicks. Philly, when you're that close, when it's eight down to four and Then losing to the Lakers in the finals, needing four wins. When you're that close and you can taste it and see the finish line, but you can't get to the finish line. That's why I feel this way distinct. If I had been like first, second round, and always, you know, going out, I had. Was never close to the finish line, so who cares? But when you're close and you can see the finish, I felt like that Kenyan runner that was in first place and the American runner was running. That's how you feel when you get to the finals. Can I get to that finish line first?

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Marvin last week said if he was the Buffalo Bills, he'd rather not get to the super bowl and lose. He'd rather lose earlier in the playoffs.

[Reggie Miller]

I want to be on the biggest stage, Marvin, because you want it. You want the World Senior. You want to compete at the highest level against the best players. And if that's the World Series, the Super bowl, the NBA Finals, the. The Stanley cup, the Olympics for some of these runners and track athletes, you want to compete against the best.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator (possibly a co-host or guest analyst)]

And that.

[Reggie Miller]

That year we went to the finals with Larry Legend as our coach. We. We felt we were the best team in the East. We knew the Lakers were the best team in the West. We wanted that smoke, and we knew it was going to be an uphill battle, but they hadn't won in a long time, so both of us were coming in. We knew they had the pedigree. They were the Lakers, but the Lakers hadn't won yet. That was their first championship, and we had never won. So we felt we were on equal footing. So that's why we felt we had. We had a shot.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

And I like that. Kobe stole your move, your step back, jump shot.

[Reggie Miller]

We had filmed the real. A real, Real World episode, he and I. We took on the real world cast in a game of two on eight. And before we started filming, before they. The other crew showed up, we played one on one, Kobe and I, and, hey, show me this. Show me this move. You know, he was like, picking my brain. I love how you do that. You know, I saw you do this against mj and I was like, being a big brother. Yeah, yeah, this is what I did. You do the step back. Be sure you create space. And when he. When he closes one more dribble and then you're. He's like, okay, I got it. That fool was writing it down and using those moves against me in the finals. I'm like, ain't this something? Ain't this something Smart dude. Smart. Kobe. Rest. God rest. I know you were looking down on this interview right now, smiling. Yeah, Reg, I got you.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Thank you, Reg. Have fun tomorrow night.

[Reggie Miller]

Much love to my dad. Marvin. Next year, you and I, let's sign up for the LA Marathon, baby. And let's go 18 miles so we can get our participation medal.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator (possibly a co-host or guest analyst)]

I'm in.

[Reggie Miller]

Let's go.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Reggie Miller. He'll be on the call. Coast to coast, Tuesday, San Antonio Celtics and The spurs at 8 Eastern.

[Reggie Miller]

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[Mike Tannenbaum]

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