The Best of The Dan Patrick Show

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The Best of The Dan Patrick Show – Detailed Summary

Release Date: June 19, 2025
Host: Dan Patrick (iHeartPodcasts and Dan Patrick Podcast Network)
Description: This episode compiles some of the most insightful and engaging discussions from "The Dan Patrick Show," featuring A-list guests from the worlds of sports and entertainment. The episode delves into major topics such as the recent sale of the Los Angeles Lakers, the future of prominent athletes, and reflections on NBA legends.

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1. Sale of the Los Angeles Lakers to Mark Walter ($10 Billion)

Timestamp: [02:52] – [05:21]

Guests:

• Brendan Haywood: Former NBA player and current NBA TV analyst
• Dan Woike: Lakers beat writer for the LA Times

Discussion Highlights: Brendan Haywood initiates a discussion with Dan Woike regarding the unprecedented sale of the Los Angeles Lakers to Mark Walter for a staggering $10 billion. They explore the reasons behind the sale, the internal dynamics of the Buss family ownership, and the structural implications of the deal.

Notable Quotes:

• Dan Woike [03:15]: “Why the only answer I've been able to come up with at this point is $10 billion. That's the answer.”
• Dan Woike [04:15]: “Genie was running the team, Jim was involved, Joey Buss runs the South Bay team, Jesse Buss is involved in the scouting department. These are day-to-day roles within the organization.”

2. Implications for Lakers Fans and Team Dynamics

Timestamp: [05:21] – [07:00]

Discussion Highlights: The conversation shifts to what the sale means for Lakers fans and the team’s future. Ja Rule suggests that the new ownership might lead to less charismatic leadership but could inject additional resources into various aspects of the organization, such as analytics, bench depth, and arena improvements.

Notable Quotes:

• Ja Rule [05:25]: “It’s probably good news. It’s a little less charming, right?”
• Ja Rule [06:45]: “The Lakers don’t own property. It is like a brand, right? That is what you’re buying.”

3. Offseason Moves: Potential Acquisition of a New Center

Timestamp: [08:41] – [12:20]

Discussion Highlights: Brendan Haywood and Ja Rule discuss the Lakers' potential offseason moves, specifically targeting the acquisition of a new center. They consider names like Jalen Duran and Walker Kessler, analyzing the feasibility of these targets given the Lakers' current asset pool and salary structure.

Notable Quotes:

• Ja Rule [09:15]: “They need a new center. Employers like Mark Walter can pour money into infrastructure, putting more into the scouting department, development.”
• Ja Rule [10:50]: Regarding LeBron James' future, Ja Rule emphasizes that LeBron is likely to stay with the Lakers and continues to perform at a high level despite recent injuries.

4. LeBron James' Future with the Lakers

Timestamp: [10:47] – [12:20]

Discussion Highlights: The hosts delve into LeBron James' future with the Lakers, debating whether he will remain with the team or opt out for an unrestricted free agency. They acknowledge his ongoing contributions and speculate on his potential contract decisions.

Notable Quotes:

• Ja Rule [10:50]: “He’s a part of their plans. Early signs were that he would accept it. He may opt out and resign as an unrestricted free agent.”
• Ja Rule [11:35]: “I think he is good enough to keep playing… he hasn’t really dealt with something like this.”

5. Reflections on NBA Legends: Dirk Nowitzki, Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan, and LeBron James

Timestamp: [22:14] – [27:00]

Guests:

• Brendan Haywood
• Memphis Bleak: NBA analyst and former player

Discussion Highlights: Memphis Bleak shares personal anecdotes and comparisons between NBA legends, assessing their playing styles, mentalities, and impacts on the game. The conversation touches on Kobe Bryant's dedication, Michael Jordan's competitive nature, LeBron James' unique game perspective, and Dirk Nowitzki's quiet confidence.

Notable Quotes:

• Memphis Bleak [23:30]: “Kobe and Michael are one in the same as far as game mentality, everything else. LeBron is a different entity.”
• Memphis Bleak [24:07]: “Kobe Bryant is top 10 for sure, but when you talk about the best three players of all time, it's actually not. It's Mike, Kevin, and Kareem.”
• Memphis Bleak [26:30]: “Dirk’s quiet confidence was evident when he said, ‘That ain’t no Big Three.’ It showed his focus and determination.”

6. Team Culture and Aaron Rodgers with the Pittsburgh Steelers

Timestamp: [37:23] – [45:12]

Guests:

• Brendan Haywood
• Memphis Bleak

Discussion Highlights: Brendan Haywood and Memphis Bleak transition to discussing the Pittsburgh Steelers and their acquisition of Aaron Rodgers. They analyze the cultural fit of Rodgers within the Steelers' blue-collar ethos, his recent performance, and the potential impacts on the team's dynamics and future.

Notable Quotes:

• Memphis Bleak [39:54]: “Culture fit. He’s too counterculture. He’s not one of us. He’s not a Steeler, you know, and there’s a us versus them mentality.”
• Dan Flores [42:33]: “Aaron might say something here or there… So what I think the culture of that place and his production can bridge that gap.”

7. Rookie Quarterback Development in Football

Timestamp: [42:55] – [51:57]

Guest:

• Dan Flores

Discussion Highlights: The conversation shifts to the challenges of integrating rookie quarterbacks into NFL teams. Dan Flores shares his perspectives on the mental and physical demands placed on young quarterbacks, the importance of supportive casts, and the balance between giving rookies opportunities and protecting their development.

Notable Quotes:

• Dan Flores [46:05]: “If you have the supporting cast that knows and is mature enough to know and talented enough to pick up some slack, then it's manageable.”
• Dan Flores [49:36]: “There's a fragile psyche and there are different ways to approach it. It depends on the player and the supporting cast.”

Memphis Bleak’s Insights: He reflects on personal experiences of throwing interceptions and emphasizes the importance of resilience and continuous effort despite setbacks.

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Conclusion

This episode of "The Dan Patrick Show" offers in-depth discussions on significant sports topics, blending expert analysis with personal anecdotes. From high-stakes transactions in the NBA to the intricate dynamics of NFL team building, the episode provides listeners with a comprehensive understanding of current events and their broader implications in the sports world.

Notable Quotes Summary:

• Dan Woike: “Why the only answer I've been able to come up with at this point is $10 billion. That's the answer.” [03:15]
• Ja Rule: “It’s probably good news. It’s a little less charming, right?” [05:25]
• Memphis Bleak: “Kobe and Michael are one in the same as far as game mentality, everything else. LeBron is a different entity.” [23:30]
• Dan Flores: “If you have the supporting cast that knows and is mature enough to know and talented enough to pick up some slack, then it's manageable.” [46:05]

Listeners seeking a nuanced exploration of sports management, athlete futures, and the enduring legacies of sports icons will find this episode both informative and engaging.

Listen to The Dan Patrick Show on iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts, or your preferred podcast platform.

Transcript

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[Dan Woike]

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[Ja Rule]

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[Erica]

The OGs of uncensored motherhood are back and badder than ever. I'm Erica. And I'm Mila and we're the hosts of the Good Moms Bad Choices podcast brought to you by the Black Effect Podcast Network every Wednesday. Yeah, we're moms, but not your mommy. Historically, men talk too much and women have quietly listened. And all that stops here. If you like witty women, then this is your try. Listen to the Good Moms Bad Choices Podcast every on the Black Effect podcast network, the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you go to find your podcast.

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[Brendan Haywood]

In this episode, I'm joined by Angeli.

[Dan Flores]

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[Brendan Haywood]

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[Dan Flores]

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[Memphis Bleak]

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[Ja Rule]

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[Brendan Haywood]

$10 billion. Why now? Jeannie Buss, the family sells the Lakers to Mark Walter, the part of the dodger ownership for $10 billion. Dan Woieke, he is the Lakers beat writer LA Times, joining us on the program. Dan, thanks for joining us. Why sell? Why sell now?

[Ja Rule]

The only answer I've been able to come up with at this point is $10 billion. That's the answer. And it's, it's an interesting thing because that, that'll be the thing that we learn here over the next few weeks, few months and stuff. No one from the Lakers is still set a peep about this right match. Johnson kind of was the de facto spokesperson. He's the person that has, you know, hands in the Mark Walter camp obviously very close to Genie Buss. So we don't totally know why. Here's what we do know. We know that to sell the team, the way that the ownership thing is structured after Dr. Jerry Buss died, a majority of his six children needed to vote to sell. And that majority never existed until yesterday. So that is, I think the interesting thing right is that always Genie was running the team. You know, Jim was involved with the team. He was the sort of executive bath operations, famously tried to sue his sister to try to like wrestle control of the team in 2017. The older siblings, Johnny and Janie, not that involved and you know, but, but Joey Buss runs the, you know, South Bay team. Jesse Buss involved in the scouting department. These are people that have day to day roles with the organization. And you know, so I think that's kind of what's, what we're learning here a little bit is sort of how this played out that way. It's an interesting, not to get like way in the weeds on like trust law, but it's an interesting like part of the way their ownership was structured. This was always sort of inevitable the way the deal was structured. Dan, was that this sound morbid and I apologize. But if the oldest plus sibling were to die, it's not like those shares go to next of kin. The pie just gets smaller. It goes from being cut six ways to being cut five ways and then it goes to being cut four ways and it keeps getting smaller and smaller and smaller. Sort of a last person standing type of situation, you know. And these are people, genies in her mid-60s and stuff like that. It just a lot of money Dan, it's a lot of money.

[Brendan Haywood]

What's it mean for the Lakers fan?

[Ja Rule]

I think it's probably good news. It's a little less charming, right? I think that was one of the things about the Laker organization, especially if you were around the team and you're a fan who goes to games and you see, you know, Jeanie Buss and you could. You used to be able to tweet at her a lot when she was really active on social media. It was like, Mary, she's very public person. I mean, it's a family business. It truly is a family business. And I think it will lose that. And I'm not sure that's like, good in total for a league that is losing this all the time because the money is just getting bigger and bigger and bigger. But, I mean, I think we can. It's fair to look to the Dodgers, right? And I'm not, I'm not suggesting they're going to pay Shohei ohtani, you know, $200 million to play center next season. Like, that's not how this really works in the NBA. But what you can do is you can pour that money into everything else. You can pour that money into your bench, you can pour that money into your analytics department, you can pour that money into development, pour that money into the arena. You know, the Lakers, that's another crazy part of this deal, Dan. The Lakers don't own property. It is like a brand, right? That is what you're buying. A lot of times when these evaluations come up for teams, it's, you know, they own their arena. Part of the warriors evaluation is they've got a huge piece of real estate, you know, right on the bay. That's not the Lakers. The Lakers are at least the play inside of crypto.com like, so this is a deal for the brand. But. But I think it's fair to think that Mark Walter, the way that they've operated the Dodgers, they're going to pour money into this in all the places they can to give the team the best chance to win consistently.

[Brendan Haywood]

But, you know, in baseball, you can overspend, you can spend. Yes, but you can't outspend. I mean, you know, the Golden State warriors did there for a while where they didn't care about the luxury tax, but.

[Ja Rule]

And then they changed the rules. Yes. Right. Yeah. And so, yeah, I think, I think that part of it is overstated. Right. Like, look, the Lakers were in the luxury tax. They're repeatedly in the luxury tax. You can point to a couple Times in recent history where maybe they cheaped out on something famously kind of Alex Caruso is like one of those things. And obviously that was a bad decision, I think. But I mean they're paying, they're not afraid to fire coaches and keep paying salaries. I mean, feels like we do that every two years out here right now, you know, that's not the issue. I will say when you talk to people about the Lakers organization around the NBA, generally speaking, the thing, the sort of really direct way people describe that is it's a place that does the big things really well and the small things really poorly. And the small things, they've been getting better at some of the smaller things. But I think it's fair to point to infrastructure when you talk about small things and things like beefing up a scouting department, putting more money into that, putting more people on the road, stuff like that. That's where especially the way the second apron is structured. You've got to hit on your minimum signings. You have to hit when you don't have draft picks, you have to hit on your second round picks. They've drafted pretty well, they've done well with the college cutting their post cutting needs to get much, much better. And I think that's a place where Mark Walter can put a lot of money into it. And I think you can see a difference.

[Brendan Haywood]

Talking to Dan Woicke, the Lakers beat writer for the LA Times, what kind of moves in the off season with the Lakers do you see?

[Ja Rule]

Yeah, well, I didn't see new owner. I do see new center. I think new center is the, is the most obvious one. I know. You know, the Lakers have spoken with Luka Doncic multiple times about kind of what that could look like. They know that's a position he needs. They know that's a position they need. Right. It's an interesting kind of team building exercise for them because they don't have a ton of assets. Stop me if you heard this before about the Lakers. They need to get better and they don't have a ton of ways to get there. They have a first round pick that they can train either in 2031 or 2032. They have Dalton connect their first round pick from last year. They've got some pick swaps. I mean this is what they traded for Mark Williams before they saw the physical. Right. So they have some stuff. I would be looking at centers like kind of like Mark Williams around the NBA that has been sort of their type, right. So like Jalen Duran, Anyaka Kongwu in Atlanta Walker Kessler in Utah. These are people that I think they're going to try and target young senators who kind of fit the next future. Now, whether or not any of these players are available, Dan, another thing and do the Lakers, you know, if you're not available, like do the lakers have a 10 billion dollar offer to make for Walker Kessler? They don't, you know, unless they're going to trade Austin Reeves and they've shown no indication that they are going to trade Austin Reeves. They believe in Austin Reeves. Luka Dotich believes in Austin Reeves. The best Dallas Maverick teams with Luka Dotich had three things generally. They had a good center, they had athletic wings and they had a secondary playmaker. Kyrie Irving, Jalen Brunson, so. And neither of those guys are Tony Allen either, right? When it comes to like locking guys down on the perimeter so it can work, I think that is sort of where they're at in terms of trying to figure this out. Athletic wings, definitely. A big.

[Brendan Haywood]

What about LeBron's future?

[Ja Rule]

I mean, boy, you know. Well, we know he's not retiring via Amazon commercial. He put that to bed, you know, tease that out last week. He's gonna be back. You know, I think he is good enough to keep playing. He has a player option at the end of this month. Early signs were that he would accept it. He may opt out and resign as a unrestricted free agent. And again kind of play this sort of sign me for a two year extension, give me an option on the back of that. You know, I, it's all signs point to him finishing his career as a Laker and he's not done. He was an all NBA player last year, played some of the best defense. I've seen him play as a Laker for a stretch, kind of that January to March stretch, then got hurt. I think the knee injury. Dan is an interesting injury. It's an interesting thing for him. He hasn't really dealt with something like this. And so you know, as a 40 year old, I'm a guy who woke up this morning with a sore elbow. Somehow like this happens at age Dan and he, you know, I think he's going to take his time and get to 100%. It's. But yeah, I mean he's a part of their plans.

[Brendan Haywood]

Good to talk to you. I know you're on vacation, but I don't know if you're ever truly the.

[Ja Rule]

Surface of the sun here in Scottsdale, Arizona, Dan. It's, it's a 250 degrees.

[Brendan Haywood]

You're not truly on vacation if you cover the Lakers. Never, never not allowed to be. Thank you, Dan.

[Ja Rule]

Thanks, Dan.

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[Memphis Bleak]

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[Memphis Bleak]

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[Memphis Bleak]

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[Brendan Haywood]

Brendan Haywood won a championship with the Mavericks. He works for NBA tv. Should I read into that, Brandon, that Tyrese Halliburton isn't part of the promotional aspect of Game six?

[Memphis Bleak]

I think you can. I'm not saying definitely for sure, but there probably is a little bit of skepticism on the Pacer side. This is their superstar. We're talking about a calf type injury. And anytime you start going to that cab type injury and trying to play through it, you have to think all the way back to what happened to Kevin Durant when he played through his. And sometimes even though it's the NBA Finals, even though it's a huge moment, you have to think big picture. And if this is a serious calf injury, you do not want a calf injury to turn into something a lot more serious. I'm not 100% sure, but there's definitely conversations being had right now about Tyrese Halliburton's health because he did not look right in Game five.

[Brendan Haywood]

Could you see a scenario where he doesn't play tonight?

[Memphis Bleak]

Yes. If he goes out there and he tests the calf and he can't move well, then you have to shut him down no matter how big the game is. If we go back to what happened earlier in these playoffs, I'm sure Steph Curry wanted to play. It's grade one and a half hamstring injury. You have to protect the player sometimes from himself and you have to think about long term of what could happen if you come back and you're not right and you do more damage to a soft tissue injury.

[Brendan Haywood]

Could it be a good thing for the Pacers if he doesn't play?

[Memphis Bleak]

Absolutely not. Absolutely not. They need Tyrese Halliburton, man. They need him healthy too. Not just out there with his jersey on. They need him out there creating a problem, pushing tempo, getting in the pick and roll, getting downhill, getting two feet in the Paint. He doesn't always have to score it, but he has to be a part of the problem. And if he's not right or not able to play, it's going to be really tough. Just look at what this OKC team has done defensively as far as turning the Pacers over. Think about how many turnover. Think about how many turnovers they'll have, they'll force if Tyrese Halliburton doesn't play.

[Brendan Haywood]

Yeah, but If I have TJ McConnell out there handling the ball, then I keep it away from ne and nice Smith, because they were a turnover. You know, they were turning the ball over there. And I wonder. I don't want him out there. If he's 50 or 60%, I don't want you to be a hero and be. And he was a detriment to the team in the second half of that last game. I was surprised that Rick Carlisle put him out there. You're down double digits at halftime.

[Memphis Bleak]

Well, you also have to understand, guys get used to certain things. And you look at it, you look at a guy like Nim Hard Knee Smith, more importantly, TJ McConnell, you just brought him up. He's used to playing a certain amount of minutes. He plays with a certain level of energy. He's always pushing and probing. He's not used to playing 40 minutes, 45 minutes. And so, like, he's exhausted after that third quarter. He was. He's tired. So now it's like, okay, we're trying to get Halliburton in. Maybe we'll get McConnell back in the game. But the problem with Halliburton not playing is that it puts everybody in a different role. So now you look at a guy like TJ McConnell, instead of him being the energy guy, now he has to come in and start right away. Now who's. Who's going to be the point guard behind him? Now we're getting even deeper into that Pacers bench, and that's where the problem is. But I do agree with you. If Halliburton is 50%, he should. He probably shouldn't go out there because he probably can't help the team.

[Brendan Haywood]

Who does SGA remind you of? He.

[Memphis Bleak]

Not Apples for apples, but he. If you look at what he does in the mid range, a lot of times he has the footwork of Kobe. I'm not saying he's Kobe. I don't want nobody on Twitter coming for me. I know. I. I know how people, how sensitive people get about their stars from back in the day. But when you look at the footwork, the up and unders, the pump fakes and everything else. He reminds me of Kobe and he lives in that mid range like a Kobe. Kobe wasn't really a great three point shoot if you look at the numbers, but man, what he did in the mid range was special. And that's kind of what SGA reminds me of, but a, a new school version because he's more. He's like a point guard as well.

[Brendan Haywood]

Iman Shumpert was with us yesterday and he said Kobe as well.

[Memphis Bleak]

I mean, it's easy to see. I mean, there's some, there's some, there's some video out there of the footwork side by side and you're like, wow, it's scary. You can tell that he studied Kobe Bryant. He watched a lot of what Kobe does and he's just perfected that mid range game. Shout out to Sam Cassell, who actually started him down that path his rookie year when he was with the Clippers. And Sam was one of the best mid range guys from back in the day. And SGA has always worked on his mid range game ever since Sam Cassell put him in that space and it's really, really showing today.

[Brendan Haywood]

So you played with Lebron, played with Michael, played against Kobe. Yeah. How would, how would you assess those players?

[Memphis Bleak]

All great players. Kobe and Michael are one in the same as far as game mentality, everything else. LeBron is a different entity, not better, not worse, but his thought process and how he sees the game is different. Kobe and Michael carbon copies LeBron. LeBron is a. Is different. And even how he, from the way he plays the game, the way he sees the game, the way he goes about things on and off the court, you know, Michael, Michael and Kobe are cutthroat. You know, if you ain't, if you can't help Michael Jordan win, he really ain't got no time for you. I'm trying to tell you. I saw that firsthand. If you can't help Michael Jordan win basketball games, he don't have any time for you. And he will say it directly to your face. LeBron James is a little bit more diplomatic. He might send you a subtle, a subtle message. He might try to see if you'll slowly pick it up. And I got to see that firsthand with him and Kyrie Irving and Dion Waiters and he, he was trying to coach them to see if they would eventually figure out how to win at this level. Mike's not that type, but we keep.

[Brendan Haywood]

Trying to make that comparison or that argument and It's Michael, it's LeBron. Can you make a case that Kobe is every bit the equal that Michael is? And then maybe he should be involved in that discussion as well.

[Memphis Bleak]

Man, you're going to get me in trouble. You know how sensitive people are about their guys. I love Kobe Bryant, rest in peace. One of the best players that I ever played against. But when you start nitpicking the stars, you probably can't put Kobe in the same level as Michael and LeBron. When you look at the total MVPs, when you look at just even the, when you look at the finals, go. You have to go look at some of Kobe's earliest finals performances against the Nets. That wasn't really great. You know, he had big fellow with him early on in his career. I mean, that, that, that counts for a lot. When you got, when you got the big dog in there, he was the. Shaq was the MVP of the first three finals. So I love Kobe. He is top 10 for sure. But I think when you talk about the best three players of all time, it's actually not. It's Mike Braun and Kareem.

[Brendan Haywood]

In my opinion, yeah, Kareem might be the greatest player of all time. If I factor in high school, college, in the NBA, he might be the greatest, greatest player, you know, single handedly had a move that was unstoppable and he won everywhere that he went. And I, I kind of find him underrated. Brandon. It's weird to say that we kind of forget because Kareem won a title and it really wasn't, you know, when, when Larry and Magic came in, that's when TV started and then Mike came in and, you know, it just changed the NBA. Those who played prior to that, some of those championships and their greatness was lost.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, you know, like I said, Kareem, you know, he has a championship in Milwaukee. Then like you talked about Magic and Larry took the game to another level. And then you also have to look at the fact that Kareem wasn't loved by the media. So he doesn't get, he never got the same push, you know, and so it's different now. There was no Internet, there was no Twitter or anything else like that. Media had to push you to a certain degree. And Kareem didn't have that love. So he didn't get pushed quite like some of the other stars back in the day. Yeah, don't get it twisted.

[Brendan Haywood]

Like you said, that's a great point.

[Memphis Bleak]

Was unstoppable.

[Brendan Haywood]

Yeah, that's a great point. That Kareem didn't care if you liked him. And he. He didn't go out of his way to curry favor. We're talking to Brendan Heywood. He's working for NBA TV. You were a teammate of Dirk Nowitzki. His 47th birthday today.

[Memphis Bleak]

Oh, man. Happy birthday, Dirk.

[Dan Flores]

I know.

[Memphis Bleak]

Hey, Dirt Dirk. Getting old, man.

[Ja Rule]

I know that.

[Brendan Haywood]

What's your favorite Dirk Nowitzki story?

[Memphis Bleak]

My favorite Dirk story.

[Brendan Haywood]

And how many knees did you take to your chest when you were trying to guard him with that fadeaway jumper of his?

[Memphis Bleak]

I never. I never really. You know what? He never really had to meet me in the chest. He used to get in my body and fade away. And it used to just frustrate me that he would get that jumper off on me. But I think my favorite Dirk story.

[Dan Flores]

Is.

[Memphis Bleak]

We'Re in the NBA Finals. It's before the Finals.

[Dan Flores]

And because it was.

[Memphis Bleak]

It's my favorite story because it's not really who Dirk is. He has that quiet confidence, but the way he said it made me look at him like, okay, big fellas, really, with the smoke, and we're taking on the Big Three, and we're talking about the game. We're in the locker room, we're talking about the matchup. We're going against The Heatles, obviously, LeBron D. Wade, and Chris Bosh. And we're like, yeah, what we gonna do to stop the Big Three? And he's just like, that ain't no Big Three. And we kind of look at him. We like, what do you mean? He's like, I don't look at it like that. If they were really a Big Three in the office, and they would have came and got me, and I was like, okay, because Dirk don't talk like that. So then. So, like. And he really meant it. And at the. And at that time, I didn't know, he kind of had, like, a simmering beef with D. Wade from 06. And the guys kind of caught me up on it, like, yeah, he don't really have no love for D. Wade. And so like to see Dirk in that space and then to go out there and do what he did in the finals. And, man, that's my favorite Dirk story. Because him talking like that is out.

[Ja Rule]

Of character for him.

[Memphis Bleak]

And I like him in that space.

[Brendan Haywood]

What's it like when you're behind Shaq and somebody lobs it in and you know that he's going to get the ball and then he's going to turn right into your chest?

[Memphis Bleak]

It is the worst. Like, it's the worst feeling in the world guarding Prime Shaq. Prime Shaq. I mean, Dan. Because when I first got into the league, Shaq was in LA and then in Miami. I. I never had fun in those cities because I never went out, though, for the first guys, like, yo, we going out tonight?

[Dan Flores]

I'm like, I'll see y' all.

[Memphis Bleak]

I got a little something to deal with tomorrow. I can't go out. I will be in bed at 9 o' clock because you have to be ready for Shaq. You have to try to beat him down the court, beat him to space. But when, to answer your question, if he catches the ball in the paint with two feet and you're behind him, you better wrap him up. Because big fella back in the day was an absolute problem. He was going to dunk that thing. And the good thing for me is when I first got into the league, I obviously, I played with mj. So in those games, Kobe would always be trying to prove a point to mj. So Shaq wouldn't. Wasn't even getting the ball as much there because Kobe was trying to go off, like. And so I was like, at least it's not my guy. You know, I think he hit us for like 40 and like a half in LA one time. So it was crazy. He was trying to let Mike know that he's the next one. So a lot of times Shaq didn't even get to get the ball sometimes early on in my career.

[Brendan Haywood]

So Kobe's going at Mike when Mike is at the end of his career with the Wizards.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, actually Stackhouse is guarding Kobe, and I love Stack, but there was nothing he could do with Kobe that night. I mean, it was just. He was on one because you could tell he was. He's playing against Mike and he wants to let Mike know. And almost kind of like how Ant man wanted to let Kevin Durant know what was up last year. That's how it was. But it's just. We're watching it and it's. We just can't believe this dude is going to. Jerry Stackhouse is playing excellent defense. Kobe's is just. Kobe is just in one of those zones. Nothing Stack can do with him.

[Ja Rule]

And.

[Memphis Bleak]

And Kobe, I want to say he dropped four. If it's not 40 with 35, but between 35 and 40 and a half on us.

[Brendan Haywood]

What's the best performance you ever witnessed?

[Memphis Bleak]

Carmelo Anthony, 60 points when I played for the Charlotte Hornets.

[Brendan Haywood]

Did you, Carmelo, did you guard him?

[Memphis Bleak]

Oh, no. Oh, no. Mike Gilchrist oh, you know what, I'm tripping. Tracy McGrady. I forgot, I forgot. Tracy McGrady had, I think he. What was Tracy? It's either Carmelo or tracy. Tracy had 60 plus on us too, and Carmelo and that was when Tracy was in Orlando and Carmelo had 60 on us. When I would, in the Garden, I would probably say Carmelo's because it was all mid range jumpers. And Michael, Kid, girl, Chris got probably about 40 of those. And so it. And when Carmelo gets hot, there's nothing. It's all jab series, jabs, pump fakes, step through, spin move. It's when Carmelo has 60, it's a loud. It's a loud 60 because it's all one on one ISO. Nobody's creating any shots for him. He is getting it all out the mud. And it is a long night.

[Brendan Haywood]

We've had Jalen Rose on whenever. It's, you know, the 81 point anniversary with Kobe. And so we call him all the time and he says I didn't guard him the whole game. He goes, people make it seem like Kobe got 81 on me when they were playing Toronto.

[Memphis Bleak]

Yeah, listen, you might not have guarded the whole game, but if, if somebody gets drops 80 and like, let's just say 25 to 30 of them were on you, people gonna act like the whole 81 was on you. It's kind of like when I'm talking about Carmelo, Michael, kid, Gilkers didn't get the whole 60, but he had to get about 30 or 40 of them. 30 to 40 out of 60.

[Dan Flores]

It just feels like a long night.

[Memphis Bleak]

I'm still trying to figure out why we didn't start doubling and triple teaming.

[Dan Flores]

But it is what it is.

[Brendan Haywood]

Still bothers you. Hey, great to talk to you. Thanks for joining us, Brandon.

[Memphis Bleak]

Thanks, man. Appreciate you having me on.

[Brendan Haywood]

All right, Brendan Haywood.

[Ja Rule]

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[Memphis Bleak]

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[Memphis Bleak]

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[Memphis Bleak]

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[Memphis Bleak]

I've never seen so many women protect predatory men. And then me too happened and then everybody else want to get pissed off cuz the wife said it was okay.

[Erica]

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[Memphis Bleak]

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[Erica]

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[Memphis Bleak]

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[Memphis Bleak]

Like I said, feel the moisture between my legs when a man sends me money, I'm like, oh my God, it's go time. You actually sent it.

[Erica]

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[Memphis Bleak]

I'll correct my kids now and then where they'll say when cave people were here. And I'll say it seems like the Ice Age people that were here didn't have a real affinity for caves.

[Dan Woike]

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[Ja Rule]

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[Memphis Bleak]

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[Memphis Bleak]

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[Brendan Haywood]

Talk some football Mark Sanchez, NFL and Fox Analyst Former NFL quarterback Let me start with the Steelers. Best case scenario for Pittsburgh this year is going to be what in your Opinion.

[Dan Flores]

Well, I got to check in, Dan. Six, two and a quarter, 245.

[Brendan Haywood]

Getting a little heavier, aren't we?

[Dan Flores]

Yeah, twins will do that to you.

[Brendan Haywood]

And I've been carry them.

[Dan Flores]

I might as well.

[Brendan Haywood]

You should see me. All right.

[Dan Flores]

I've been carrying them a lot.

[Brendan Haywood]

What was your playing weight?

[Dan Flores]

I was like 228 to 235 right in there. So we're good £10 over.

[Brendan Haywood]

Yeah, Brady still looks the same.

[Dan Flores]

Well, I don't want to sleep in a crypt and sell my soul to the devil and. I'm just kidding. The dude's in incredible shape. And hi to the Danettes. And you know what? It's really been. I think it's been celebrating my bracketology knowledge from the college basketball tournament and, you know, the parades and ribbon cuttings and events. I'm like America's guest right now.

[Brendan Haywood]

It's incredible how much you know about college basketball.

[Dan Flores]

A lot of good food. You know, I might get gout the way I'm living like this. This is nice, you know. No, but for the Steelers, shoot, it's. It's such a unique situation, right, because they're. They're this blue collar organization. Everything's in house. You know, they. They keep everything tight, and they rarely go poach a superstar and add them to what they have going on. It's different. You guys are talking about the sale of the Lakers and stuff. Well, the Lakers are known to go grab a superstar and bring them under the Lakers banner, and they're still one of the most iconic brands around the world. Shaquille O' Neal, you know, these different players that they brought, LeBron James, they made their name somewhere else. So Aaron Rodgers made his name somewhere else in a blue collar city in Green Bay, and then kind of outgrew that relationship, I guess. Right. They kind of parted mutually. Whatever goes to New York doesn't work out perfectly. Tough media market. And now he's got to kind of be in this blue collar town. The only thing that bridges that gap, because everybody's so scared about that because there's no numbers right now.

[Ja Rule]

Right.

[Dan Flores]

Nobody's producing anything right now. There's no games. So everybody's just speculating like, well, can he fit in? Can he fit in? Culture fit. Culture fit. He's too counterculture. He's not one of us. He's not a Steeler, you know, and there's a us versus them mentality. When you're with the Steelers. Look at the terrible towels. Look at all that, right? So they have that Culture. The only thing that bridges that gap is his production. And if he produces the way he produced last year, the last 10 games, he was on a heater. He single handedly basically kept the jets playoffs hopes alive. They lost about going back and watching some of their games. They lost about three games just with special teams alone, just field goal kicking, specifically alone. So those three games at the end of the year, I mean, I'm not like the president of Aaron Rodgers fan club or anything, but damn, dude, the guy played his ass off. He threw for like 3,900 yards or just near whatever it was, 28 touchdowns, 11 picks. The last 10 weeks was 18 touchdowns, four picks. I mean, put it this way, the Vikings would give. If you could tell the vikings right now, JJ McCarthy is going to have Aaron Rodgers stat line from last year 100%. They would sign that deal in blood immediately. Immediately. So, I mean, listen, the guy did all that at 41 years old, coming off of an Achilles with a defense that they thought was better and didn't quite pan out. A special teams. That was rough, you know, to be nice about it. I don't, I don't dislike the move. I think it's, I think it's probably the right spot. You're always going to get a team that's, that's tough, hard nosed, blue collar and they're going to put you in good situations. They're going to handle all the media stuff. They can handle some of the stuff, you know. Yeah. Aaron might say something here or there. Okay. He's a little different. He's not your average, you know, your candid line, hey, we got to bring our A game and we didn't do that today. That's not his interview. Okay, fine. So what I think the culture of that place and his production, most importantly can, can bridge that gap and they can be successful.

[Brendan Haywood]

Yeah, I think people have a problem with the person and not the player. And that's where I always say to people, you may not like that person, but do you like the player? Because that's, that's the bottom line. The great equalizer is when you get on the field, what can you do? It's like, you know, you may not like Shador Sanders personality, but if he can play when he gets on the field, that's all that matters.

[Dan Flores]

Yes, Production breeds tolerance.

[Brendan Haywood]

Yes.

[Dan Flores]

Winning cures warts. Like that's what happened.

[Memphis Bleak]

That's.

[Dan Flores]

People allow a lot if their teams win.

[Brendan Haywood]

I'm trying to understand what the Bengals are doing because it's kind of counterculture that they're all offense, they're going all in, and we're just going to score because it doesn't seem like defense is a priority. How does. How does this work?

[Dan Flores]

Here's my thing. Everybody seems to have to play by the same rules, right? Everybody's got the salary cap. Everybody has the same number of players that they can sign. And certain teams, just like we talked about culture, whether it's basketball or football, the Steelers, Lakers, Bengals, certain teams find themselves in these public, kind of nasty negotiations, and certain teams don't. The Bengals are notorious for this. Like, it's just always happened. The Cowboys, if Dak Prescott has a leaky faucet in his basement, people find out about it. It's just kind of the way it is in New York. You know, no matter what you do, trying to prove to your team that, you know, you're this quarterback is about football and you're trying to win games. You go out to a dinner and happen to be with somebody famous, well, oh, dude, he's just out on the town every night. Well, is that the truth? I don't know. So, okay, some of it's regional coverage, some of it's the team, some of it's the organization, the leadership and the culture within that place. But let's not forget Carson Palmer literally walked away from the game of football because he was so frustrated with this organization. And they've notoriously underpaid some of their players or offered such low contracts that people are like, dude, I'm out of here. Whether it's Whitworth and Tackle or whoever, you know, guys are just like, come on, man. Like, and. And everybody has to deal with it. So I don't understand. But when we go back to production, this guy's producing better than anybody in the league the last couple years. Made a name for himself in New Orleans on his rookie contract. Played that contract out opposite of Cam Jordan down there, and gets a huge contract in Cincy. And now it's time for the next version of that contract, the next iteration of that contract. And it sounds like they're upset over the length of the contract and the number, but whatever it is, I mean, you can't, like, you can't let guys like that walk out of the building. And, you know, he's not going to want to take too much less based on his production. And if you're going to pay all these other guys, are you just going to score 50 points a game? Is it going to look like the old big 12? You score 50 and give up 49. Like I guess hold on to your hat. But this guy sure helps on defense and gets your quarterback the ball back.

[Brendan Haywood]

Well, your first round pick is not in camp either, but you know, an edge rusher as well, so. And it felt like, you know what? You get this guy who was an underachiever in college, but Stewart does have the potential. Hendrickson has proven that. You know, he's given you 17 and a half sacks and on average the last two years. Now you have some defense and you've got all of that offense. I don't care how much offense you got. At some point you got to stop somebody. And Cincinnati's, I mean, this, this philosophy is really counterculture. I also wanted to ask you about. You start a rookie quarterback or that at what point do you get to. Now I'm going to put you in. How much damage can be done to a rookie quarterback when you get into a situation that maybe you shouldn't be playing in?

[Dan Flores]

Yeah, it's a fragile psyche and there's, there's different ways to approach it. Obviously I have my own experience. My experience is shaped off of the year before me being drafted, when Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco make the playoffs as rookies. Before that, it was rare for a rookie to just go out and start. Right. Carson Palmer waited behind Kitna for a year, you know, and he was pick number one overall. So that was kind of the mode before. Let him listen, let him watch, let him learn. How do I come up with a pregame routine? How do I, how do I dress when we go on road trips? What's my routine at the hotel? What do I eat? All these kind of little things. Not just learning plays and positions and defensive fronts and blitzes, you got a lot of other things to learn. Just an awareness thing. So it depends on the player, I think number one. And then it depends largely on the supporting cast. If you have the supporting cast that can carry the weight of a rookie when they don't play as well as they should in certain situations. And I was there. I mean, we were in a game against the Bills and I threw five interceptions and we almost kicked a game winning field goal with Jay Feely, who's now running for Congress. Apparently I got a message about that kind of crazy. Sorry, but we're in the game with five turnovers. I mean, I'm not helping us win. If anything, they're winning in spite of me. So those kind of things are going to happen. Now if you have an established starter like a Russell Wilson or a Jameis Winston or whatever's going on with the Giants, and then they're going to get their shot, and if it doesn't work out, then you bring the rookie in. To me, that's a little bit, like, free reps and less pressure, and we're not, like, trying for a playoff spot. It's almost like pickup basketball, and there's a very fine line. I want you to go get the conditioning. I want you to go get some shots off. You're going to get fouled a little harder than you probably should in a real game with true rules, instead of people just calling their own fouls. But I also don't want you to develop a bunch of bad habits. Right. I don't want this to turn into an N1 mixtape where you're just dribbling the ball all over the place, thinking you're the professor. Like, it doesn't work like that. I want you to still play quarterback for our team and get some of these reps. We're going to watch all these reps after the year and then take the good from them, keep moving on, keep progressing. So there's different ways to approach it, but if you have the supporting cast that knows, that's mature enough to know and talented enough to know, hey, we're going to have to pick up some slack for this guy who's going to have a couple of rough outings, like some bad, bad outings, then. Okay? And we're not going to turn on them. You can't turn on them because as soon as you turn on him, you lose the kid. You know, you got to remember, These guys are 21, 22 years old, and the face of the franchise, and they were just at a frat party, you know, going to invites and, you know, winning their bowl games and big man on campus, and now you're the face of a franchise. You're still 22 years old, making all this money, and you're supposed to have the discernment and. And, you know, intelligence of a Supreme Court justice, and it's just not reality. You're still a kid. You just have a lot more money and a lot more access to really cool stuff, and you got to be more mature than you're really expected to be at that age. So it's. It's a tricky, tricky situation. I think it depends on the. The player and the supporting cast.

[Brendan Haywood]

What was that like? You've thrown five interceptions. What's it like when that next play comes in and it's a pass?

[Dan Flores]

Yeah, it's it's so funny. I was of the mind that, like, just get me another quick completion, even if it's a cold run and we have like a little bubble screen or something attached to the run, just get me the ball in my hand so I can feel the little dimples on that Wilson ball on the Duke and just flick it to somebody quickly and get the taste out of my mouth and move on. And then I would always revert back to a Pete Carroll story that he told me. And he's like, you can't be afraid to throw the. The next interception. Like, you got to keep fighting. You got to keep chucking the ball. Not recklessly, but you got to keep chucking the ball. And he went to a speech or event with Rick Barry.

[Brendan Haywood]

I think you literally that you weren't afraid to throw an interception that day.

[Dan Flores]

No, you can't.

[Memphis Bleak]

Well.

[Dan Flores]

No, but he went to this talk with Rick Barry. I'll say it fast, but I know we got to go. But Rick Barry basically gives this speech, and Pete's a young coach, and he runs over to him and he says, rick, Rick, I just. I love what you said. I'm a big fan. What do you do when you miss your first 10 shots? And Rick Barry immediately, like, I mean, he was known to be pretty brash and he was kind of a dick, you know, but he was a hell of a competitor and great basketball player. But he. He basically looked at him and said, you know, I'm a whatever percentage shooter, like 40, some percent shooter. He goes, if I miss my first 10 shots, you better look out because the next 10 are going in. You know what I mean? Like, that was his mentality.

[Brendan Haywood]

Yeah.

[Dan Flores]

So Pete used to give us that speech and remind us, listen, you go out and throw three picks in the first quarter. Well, you're a 3 to 1 touchdown to interception kind of guy. That's the kind of quarterbacks we groom here. So if you throw three right away out of the out of the gate, defense better watch out, you know what I mean? That day, maybe not against Buffalo, but it all evens out.

[Brendan Haywood]

Good to catch up with you. I hope it's a great summer and we'll catch up with you soon again.

[Dan Flores]

Appreciate you guys.

[Memphis Bleak]

Thank you.

[Brendan Haywood]

Thank you. And that's Mark Sanchez.

[Dan Woike]

Why is a soap opera western like Yellowstone so wildly successful? The American west with Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network. So join me starting Tuesday, May 6, where we'll delve into stories of the west and come to understand how it helps inform the ways in which we experience the region today.

[Memphis Bleak]

Listen to the American west with Dan.

[Ja Rule]

Flores on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Michael Kassin]

I know a lot of cops. They get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. This is Absolute Season one, Taser Incorporated.

[Dan Flores]

I get right back there and it's bad.

[Michael Kassin]

Listen To Absolute Season 11 Taser incorporated on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Erica]

The OGs of uncensored motherhood are back and badder than ever. I'm Erica. And I'm Mila, and we're the hosts of the Good Mom's Bad Choices podcast, brought to you by the Black Effect Podcast Network every Wednesday. Yeah, we're moms, but not your mommy. Historically, men talk too much and women have quietly listened. And all that stops here. If you like witty women, then this is your tribe. Listen to the Good Mom's Bad Choices podcast every Wednesday on the Black Effect podcast network, the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you go to find your podcast.

[Memphis Bleak]

What up, y' all? This your main man, Memphis Bleak, right here. Host the Rock Solid Podcast. June is Black Music Month, so what better way to celebrate than listening to my exclusive conversation with my bro, Ja Rule. The one thing that came can't stop you or take away from you is knowledge. So whatever I went through while I was down in prison for two years through that process, learn, learn from. Check out this exclusive episode with Ja Rule on Rock Solid. Open your free iHeartRadio app, search Rock Solid and listen now. I'm Michael Casson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures, and your guide on Good Company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next.

[Brendan Haywood]

In this episode, I'm joined by Angeli.

[Dan Flores]

Su, CEO of Tubi. We dive into the competitive, competitive world of streaming.

[Memphis Bleak]

What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. There's so many stories out there, and if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen.

[Brendan Haywood]

Listen to Good company on the iHeartRadio.

[Dan Flores]

App, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Erica]

This is an iHeart podcast.