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Jon Stewart
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Dan Patrick
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Jon Stewart
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Bobby Bones
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Matt Castle
In six months hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirrorball trophy from Dancing with the Star. So where else are you gonna find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything. Listen to Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Indicator is a podcast where daily economic news is about what matters to you. And we're guessing most days that's money.
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Bobby Bones
Workers have been feeling the sting of.
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Matt Castle
Inflation, so as a new administration promises action on the cost of living, taxes and home prices, the S&P 500 biggest post election day spike ever. Follow all the big changes and what they mean for you.
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Dan Patrick
Make America affordable again.
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Matt Castle
Listen to the Indicator from NPR on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get podcasts.
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Jon Stewart
Jon Stewart is back at the Daily show and he's bringing his signature wit and insight straight to your ears with the Daily Show Ears Edition podcast. Dive into John's unique take on the biggest topics in politics, entertainment, sports and more. Joined by the sharp voices of the show's correspondents and contributors, and with extended interviews and exclusive weekly headline roundups, this podcast gives you content you won't find anywhere else. Ready to laugh and stay informed? Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Bobby Bones
What's up everyone?
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Justin Penick
It's Justin Penick from John Boy Media, the host of the Football Today podcast.
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Dan Patrick
With Bobby Skinner and Chris Rose.
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Justin Penick
We roll three times a week on Mondays, on Wednesdays, on Fridays, breaking down.
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Dan Patrick
Everything you need to know about the NFL.
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Justin Penick
We're gearing up for the NFL playoffs.
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Dan Patrick
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Justin Penick
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Dan Patrick
App, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast and you will be glad you did. You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. Stub openings with the Cowboys, Jags, Jets, Raiders and the Saints. And you start to wonder what are these teams waiting for? Who are they waiting for? If you're waiting for somebody who is still in the playoffs, then I can understand that. But Cliff Kingsbury, he says that he's comfortable being the offensive coordinator for the Commanders until you get a head coaching offer and then maybe you're not as comfortable there. It's nice to have Jaden Daniels there, but Cliff Kingsbury would probably like another shot. I think he's only 45, but like another shot at being a head coach. It didn't go well the first time around with Arizona, but he has since been kind of a reclamation project here. You know, the same with Kellen Moore. Kellen Moore got kicked to the curb by the Cowboys, went to the Chargers, and now he's with the Eagles. And I guess he might be the leading candidate for the Cowboys right now. But how old is Cliff Kingsbury? 36. No, Kellen Moore.
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CC Sabathia
36.
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Dan Patrick
36.
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CC Sabathia
Youngster.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, Cliff Kingsbury I think is in his 40s there, but you have openings here. Cowboys, Jags, Jets, Raiders, Saints. Aaron Glenn reportedly will get an offer from the Jets. Mike McCarthy, maybe he has his choice here. Maybe that that's holding up the Jags and the Saints. The Raiders situation. The Raiders by all accounts wanted Ben Johnson. The they were going to get Ben Johnson. Tom Brady spent an hour talking to Ben Johnson last week. And you know, when they fired Antonio Pierce, I wasn't surprised. I said all along, Tom Brady's going to come in. He's going to be running the show. They fired him and then they waited a couple days and they fired their gm, Tom Tesco. And Tesco was only there for a year and I thought, okay, you fire your coach, but then when you fire your gm, it feels like the coach you want to bring in wants to bring in his own GM or at least have a collaborative effort here of let's decide this together of who is going to be the general manager. Did Tom Brady think that Ben Johnson was going to come to the Raiders, but he wanted to pick his own GM or at least help with that selection process? And if you're going to have somebody who's lined up just the way Kyle Shanahan and John lynch are with San Francisco, with your coach and your gm, that makes a lot of sense. Well, Bears got him, and I think that's the big surprise. I think Tom Brady thought, hey, I'm going to spend time with him, and if he wants to bring in his own gm, then I'm going to let Tom Tesco go after one year. I don't know if they would have made these decisions if they didn't think they were. If they thought they weren't going to get Ben Johnson, would they have kept Antonio Pierce and Tom, Tom Lesko at least another year? Maybe they got a bigger picture here. Maybe there's somebody else that they're waiting for. But it felt like they thought they were getting Ben Johnson, and Ben Johnson said no to Tom Brady. He'll be introduced as the Bears head coach today. Everything's great right now. Everything's great. They got their coach. Offensive minded guy, you took him away from the Lions. Caleb Williams. Yes. He's going to be Jaden Daniels. He's going to be CJ Str. He's going to be somebody. You're ready to go. Oh, if only the season started tomorrow, we'd be ready to go. Paulie's Bears, they've done it. They've won the off season again. Congratulations. Nobody wins the off season like the Bears do. They won the off season. There's no trophies that they hand out for winning the off season, but if they did, the Bears trophy case would be packed.
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Matt Castle
Are we handing that trophy out today?
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Dan Patrick
We can if you want.
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Matt Castle
Offseason award winner for week.
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Dan Patrick
You know what? Let me wait a week or so. Let me see what the Cowboys do. If the Cowboys get Dion, then they're probably going to win the off season. I'm still amazed, though, that, you know, Jerry Jones falls in love and he fell in love with Jason Garrett. Jason Whitten, I think he's in love with Dion and he's gonna have to bring somebody in to be able to coach his team. Jason Whitten is not ready to do this. I think he's been a high school coach and of course he was a great player. Do you bring back Kellen Moore, who you had? Do you have any chance at getting Dion? That seems to have simmered down a little bit. Doesn't mean it won't happen because with Jerry, he might say, oh, damn it. All right, I'm gonna bring in Dion and then you bring in Deion Sanders. Then everybody's going to go, wow, that's genius move. But in the meantime, like, unless it's Dion, I think we're going to go okay right now. We did that with Dan Quinn, with Washington, but Washington doesn't have the worldwide appeal of the Cowboys. When the Cowboys make a decision and everybody takes note, Washington was like, oh, who they. Oh, okay, Dan Quinn. Well, good luck. Team won four games. Now all of a sudden we're looking at Dan Quinn like he's Lombardi. Like, man, the Cowboys, they missed on him. Okay. Probably a few other teams decided that they didn't want Dan Quinn to come in and be their head coach, but he's done a wonderful job there. Now, you know, we always look at what, what's the result, the end result. We go, how could you pass on him? He was right there. Well, they did and other teams did as well. But Dan Quinn probably thrilled that he's in Washington and that they're in the NFC title game. This line started out at four and a half. Now it's up to six, which is, that's a pretty big jump for me when I'm looking at. All right, four and a half, maybe five. Now up to six, the Eagles are favored. And I, I think with Buffalo, that stayed about the same. That the Bills are one and a half point underdogs. There's. Yeah, Paulie, a two point jump in a line midweek is surprising. Yeah.
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CC Sabathia
Uncommon.
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Dan Patrick
Does somebody know something about Jalen Hurts health status? Well, no, because that would be assuming that he's healthy. Because if he was hurt, it wouldn't be, it wouldn't jump like that. Right. But so four and a half to six means Jalen Hurts is probably going to play. But I don't know health wise and they don't have to reveal that, but I'm guessing that Jalen Hurts will play. Their offense isn't great. It's weird. They get, they get these splash plays now. Saquon Barkley, you know, they kind of bottled him up. He did have three unbelievable runs. Jalen Hurts. They kind of bottled him up and they had one big play and granted that's all you need sometimes, but I think when we look at offense, I, they didn't dominate the Rams and I think the impression is that they did, but they held on for dear life. And as I said yesterday, I thought the Rams were going to win that game. I thought that they, in that final, you know, final drive, they were going to win and kick the extra point. They were going to beat Philadelphia and they would be hosting the Commanders this weekend. That's why when you look at. Man, I do think the Eagles are Still the best team in football, but I haven't seen them kind of put everything together. They, they have these players who make the. Jalen Carter makes a big player too. Saquon a big player too. Jalen hurts one or two big plays and maybe that's all you need to win a Super Bowl. It's sort of like what the, the Chiefs are doing. Patrick Mahomes doesn't do anything that is consistently magical, but he always has one or two of those plays. Jason Kelsey, one or two of those plays. Chris Jones, one or two of those plays. Maybe that's the recipe. And I was thinking about this with Patrick Mahomes. You want to talk about a selfless superstar? Because with Mahomes it was all about, he was going to throw the ball, they were going to get, you know, he's throwing 40 touchdown passes. That, that's high powered, explosive offense. You don't hear him talking about, know, be nice if we got some receivers here for me or, you know, you're. You're getting possession guys, I want to throw some touchdowns here. His numbers are down. He's selfless. And that's remarkable that you get to that point that, that point in your career. And it's not about his numbers because his numbers aren't great, but it's about, we won. How did we win? And they are on a tightrope every single week, it feels like. But it's about, you know, Kelsey is not nudging his coach on the sideline about getting me touches. Patrick Mahomes is selfless and Brady was selfless too. And I think you have to be because if you're all about, hey, what about my numbers? And these guys have gotten to a point where it's about winning. Yes. What if behind the scenes Patrick Mahomes.
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Matt Castle
Is like, none of the receivers matter because I'm important.
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Dan Patrick
Well, we've.
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Matt Castle
You guys don't matter. I'm the one that makes this happen. So you could put out herd of cattle out there and I'm going to complete passes.
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Dan Patrick
But he's actually that much of a diva. But, oh, I don't.
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Matt Castle
I'm the only one here that matters. The rest of you are irrelevant.
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Dan Patrick
But he's not putting up great numbers. So yes, he might say, hey, I don't care who you put. Look at Brady. Interchangeable parts. And Brady probably said, it doesn't matter who you're putting out there. I'll make this work. But I think, I think Mahomes and Brady are. And we're selfless and I think that that helped them because how many times did you see Bill Belichick go, we're just going to run the football and this is Brady going, all right, hey, we're going to run for 200 yards against the Colts, okay? And, and I think the same thing with Mahomes. I think you got to get to a point where you go, I want to win. That's all. That's that, that's all that matters here is that I win. Yes. Todd, if you know you're going to.
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Bobby Bones
Or you feel very comfortable that you're going to trade stats for rings, it's very easy to do that when you're on a great team and you're collecting rings. That could change if all of a sudden you're a team that's not getting to the super bowl winning rings. As far as, hey, wait a second, I don't have the right tools around me to get the.
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Dan Patrick
Well, Justin Herbert, you know, had lower stats this year. They made the playoffs. But I think you have to get to that point where, hey, these numbers are great. They're regular season numbers, the numbers that matter. Postseason this first hour brought to you by hottest rookies, biggest superstars, the all time greats. The only place to collect them all. Panini trading cards, official trading cards for the Dan Patrick show for instant classics, autograph cards, memorabilia, cards, rare inserts, Start or continue your collection now. Panini america.net See what's poll question today? Well, we haven't really hit on this much yet, but hall of Fame voting should be public or private. We're going to talk about this coming up in a little bit here. I've said that when I voted, I wanted it to be public. I was proud to vote. And if you're going to take on that honor, and it is an honor, then you should explain why you voted for or didn't vote for somebody. It's, it's just you're doing your homework or maybe you're not doing your homework. But I have, I have no problem. And they, they fought for this. This was a couple of years ago, I think, 2016. The Baseball Writers supported a measure to make every hall of Fame ballot public, but the board of directors shut that down. I like it when I hear a columnist say, or a writer or broadcaster say, this is why I voted for this guy, or I didn't vote for this guy. I mean, not everybody's a Hall of Famer. You might not think Billy Wagner is a Hall of Famer. I do. I did. CC Sabathia, you Know, he's a dinosaur. Guys are going to log those innings and have 3,000 strikeouts and over 250 wins. It's just not going to happen anymore. Ichiro no brainer. But then, apparently, was it a brainer because somebody decided not to vote for Ichiro? Yes.
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Bobby Bones
Ton, is coming forward make you a standup guy or woman, depending on who we're talking about. Or is it a look at me, look at me thing? People could take that one of two ways.
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Dan Patrick
What do you think it is?
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Bobby Bones
I think it might be more looking for attention. Just like when a columnist has some kind of crazy take that's never going to happen or not true. Just to stand out. When everyone's saying how much they love one thing, you got to be the one that hates on the coach hire or whatever for attention. So I think for me, it might be more attention than, you know, I want to. I feel a need to explain myself to everyone that might be upset with.
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Dan Patrick
Well, if you want attention, then why aren't. Why is it surprised? Okay, so if he wants attention or she wants attention, then they should come. Come forward. Tell us why you didn't vote for each of. You know, you get caught up in the baseball. Pierce. Now, the voting doesn't come out for the Pro Football hall of Fame. Like, I don't know how many votes somebody gets or how many votes somebody doesn't get. We, you know, so we can single out baseball, but baseball is about percentages. We get to see the percentages. So we follow along with this. You know, it's baseball, stock market. I'm seeing guys who rise and guys who fall and guys from nowhere, all of a sudden, you know, get in the conversation or guys who get to a certain level and that's all they're going to get, you know, like a rod or Manny Ramirez or Bonds or Clemens. But I like following along with that because I like to understand these trends, like, why is somebody a halt. Billy Wagner is a Hall of Famer in his last year of eligibility. Why was he a Hall of Famer? That's what I'm always curious about. He didn't play any more baseball. Last I looked, he didn't play any more baseball. Paulie, check. Did Billy Wagner play any more baseball? I got nothing. Okay. But you get to this point and it's, you know, the writers are the gatekeepers here. So if you're going to have a powerful position, then I'd like to know where you stand on somebody. And I think that when I voted for the NBA, I had no problem my voting and I made it public. And did I get roughed up in Salt Lake when I didn't vote for Karl Malone or in Phoenix when I didn't vote for Barkley? Yes, but it goes along with the territory. I had no problem with that. Yes. Yes, Marvin. And when it comes to MLB hall.
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Joe Thomas
Of Fame voting, guys like Carlos Beltran, who got like 70% of the vote, I'm sure it's got to be one of those or. You're kidding.
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Dan Patrick
No, no. He's going to get in next year.
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Joe Thomas
Almost like Billy Wagner.
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Dan Patrick
Like, you're close this year, but then next year.
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Bobby Bones
Okay.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, yeah. Carlos Beltran will get in next year. I think Andrew Jones should, you know, he should get in now. He was close as well. And I don't think the voting as far as candidates next year, I don't think it's a great list, but. And sometimes it's timing. Yes, Todd.
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Bobby Bones
See, that's a problem, too, that you're going to get into Cornerstone or not based on how weak or strong the year is of who's up on a given year should not be included in what who you vote for.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah. You're all fired up with your Houston Astros gear on.
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Bobby Bones
I've always been about Billy Wagner. I just haven't spoken about it a lot on air. I kept that one to myself. It's nobody's business.
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Dan Patrick
Yes. Paul Princey looks like relaxed fit. Billy Wagner right now in that outfit. I don't think I'd use fit, but I am relaxed. Yeah, you are.
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Bobby Bones
I'm comfortable in my 2 XL jersey.
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Joe Thomas
I'm good.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, you got your Billy Wagner. That was that, that jersey, that uniform of the Astros. Boring is boring. Boring.
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Bobby Bones
Killer bees, though.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah.
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Bobby Bones
Doesn't change the look of the jersey.
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Dan Patrick
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Matt Castle
Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirror ball trophy from Dancing with the Star. So where else are you going to find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? Based in Nashville, we're more than just your basic NFL show. We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything because we got lots to say. I texted you and you text me back. Now I don't know if you have the update, but like all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff, like it's all colored. They changed it and the heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm going to be honest, it was a little pink.
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Dan Patrick
There was something sentimental when you, when you send it. It was like, do I send the heart now?
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Matt Castle
I don't like the color edition.
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Dan Patrick
It's extremely pink.
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Matt Castle
Listen to Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. The indicator is a podcast where daily economic news is about what matters to you and we're guessing most days that's money.
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Bobby Bones
Workers have been feeling the sting of.
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Matt Castle
Inflation, so as a new administration promises action on the cost of living, taxes and and home prices, the S&P 500 biggest post election Day spike ever. Follow all the big changes and what they mean for you.
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Dan Patrick
Make America affordable again.
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Matt Castle
Listen to the indicator from NPR on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get podcasts.
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Jon Stewart
Jon Stewart is back at the Daily show and he's bringing his signature wit and insight straight to your ears with the Daily Show Ears Edition podcast. Dive into John's unique take on the biggest topics in politics, entertainment, sports and more. Joined by the sharp voices of the show's correspondence and contributors, and with extended interviews and exclusive weekly headline roundups, this podcast gives you content you won't find anywhere else. Ready to laugh and stay informed, listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Dan Patrick
He is former all conference tight end in high school, former Milwaukee Brewer great and Now a Hall of Famer. CC Sabathia. Congratulations.
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Joe Thomas
Thank you. Thank you.
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Dan Patrick
What kind of tight end were you? Like, you know what, what. Who did you pattern your game after in high school?
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Joe Thomas
I was not a blocking tight end. I was more of a. I need. I need at least three balls thrown my way a half before I can, you know, start blocking. My motto was no rock, no block. No rock, no block.
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Dan Patrick
Did you think about playing in college?
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Joe Thomas
I did. I really wanted to. I really wanted to play football. That was. That was my first love. I really enjoyed playing football, but I. But I know, like, my body type, soon as I would have got to college, they would have turned me into officer tackle right away. So, I mean, hopefully it feel. Hopefully it would have paid off. But yeah, I mean, I would have loved to have been able to have a chance to go to college, play football.
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Dan Patrick
How many pairs of pants do you have for your playing days? I'd love. I'd love to get a pair of those. Those pants, man.
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Joe Thomas
You know what? I honestly, I probably have a couple pairs. They put it. They put. They put a few in my locker when I go back for spring training. Now, just for. Just for fun, I can get both legs in one leg now.
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Dan Patrick
But what made you go to those large, you know, baggy pants?
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Joe Thomas
You know what? It was just me wanting to, like, represent myself. You know, it was the hat being tilted sideways. When I first came up, the pants had to be super tight. Like, you know, everybody wore the uniform super small and super tight, and they had the elastic at the bottom. And once I got a little older and a little established in the league, I was like, I want to kind of represent how I want to look on the field. And it was the back with the big jerseys, and everybody was wearing the throwback, so I adopted the big pants. I tilted my hat to the side. I wore the big. My jersey was always. My sleeves were always a lot longer than everybody else's, and it was just kind of my style. And it's a funny story about that. One time, Russell Branion, when I was in Cleveland, wore my pants in Kansas City, and George Brett came down and like, lit him up, told him we look like a clown. All this stuff he was referencing to making the game look bad and all these different things. It was. It was hilarious. But, yeah, I have a few pairs. I can send you some.
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Dan Patrick
What about the hat, though? When you wore the hat to the side, what kind of reaction did you get?
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Joe Thomas
Early in my career, not a good reaction, obviously, as you know how the Big leagues are with the unwritten rules. And, you know, just being a young guy, I was. I was 20 years old in that clubhouse when I first came up. So I was the youngest guy. The next oldest guy on that team was, you know, 26, 27. So it was even hard to, you know, for guys to relate to me. So, yeah, I mean, it was just my thing. It was, you know, me wearing my hat way to the side and going to grab the ball with my hand from the third baseman after. After every out was just kind of, what, two of those things that I wanted to be mine. And I was able to carry that for, you know, through my career for 19 years.
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Dan Patrick
Okay, but you just tilting your hat to the side, was that something that your boys did, like, guys you hung around with?
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Joe Thomas
Well, no. You know what? So when I. When I was in high school, my high school coach, he would get on me about the way I wore my hat, because scouts would show up at the field so early, so they would watch. I would always have my hat on backwards or, you know, propped up on my head and, you know, just walk into the park. So he would always get on me about, you know, the way I looked, the way I, you know, represented myself walking, you know, with scouts walking around. So after I got drafted and, you know, I felt like I was established, I was like, I'm wearing my hat however I want to, however I want to wear it.
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Dan Patrick
Well, it's like Ken Griffey Jr. When he had his hat backwards. All the baseball purists like, you're disrespecting the game.
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Joe Thomas
Yeah, no, I mean, it's just a thing that, you know, and, you know, other guys started adopting, you know, Fernando Rodney came up. He was wearing his hat to the side. Dontrell Willis came up. We're from the same, you know, area. We've been knowing each other forever. He was wearing his hat to the side, so it became a thing, and, you know, I'm glad I stuck with it, honestly.
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Dan Patrick
You see Sabathia, freshly minted hall of Famer. Where were you when you got the call?
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Joe Thomas
I was here. I was home. You know, we. We had a bunch of people over, and Baseball hall of Fame is, you know, it's. It's a tricky thing. You don't know if you're going to get that call or not. So we had a big party last night, and it could have been, you know, a big party where it could have, you know, made for good TV or, you know, it made for, you know, a good celebration last Night. But, you know, I wanted everybody around whether I got the call or not last night. It's just special being on the ballot. I know how hard it is to get into the Baseball hall of Fame being, you know, just a sports fan in general and understanding sports. So it was a special moment for us.
- [28:51]
Dan Patrick
Did you cry?
- [28:52]
Joe Thomas
I haven't yet. But, you know, like, I see different things and I get on the verge of crying and then somebody texts me or somebody calls it. I've been so busy, you know, with, with, you know, planning and, you know, we're driving up to Cooperstown in an hour and all these different things. I think I haven't had a chance to really sit down and process it yet.
- [29:11]
Dan Patrick
What's it mean, though, to go in first ballot?
- [29:14]
Joe Thomas
It means. I mean, it means a lot. I mean, like we, like I just said, you know, understanding, you know, baseball hall and understanding just the hall of Fame in general, I don't think 10 years ago, I don't think I go in as a first ballot hall of Famer. You know, I think, you know, the way the writers have looked at the game and, you know, the way the game has changed has allowed me to be a first ballot hall of Famer, which is awesome to me. And, you know, now I look at, you know, myself and somebody like, you know, Justin Verlander, Max Scherzer, you know, Grinky, you know, we're kind of starters, you know, we're a dying breed, you know, so, you know, I feel like, you know, all those guys I just named to go in first ballot, too.
- [29:55]
Dan Patrick
And Kershaw as well.
- [29:56]
Joe Thomas
But you're Kershaw, too. I'm sorry.
- [29:58]
Dan Patrick
Yeah, but you're talking about that. You had 38 career complete games. Guys won't come close to that. And then pitching and have 3,000 strikeouts and 250 like it. It's almost like the running back where we got to the point where we devalued the running back. Now the running back came back. But the analytics has changed everything. And I don't know how analytics may have helped you be a first ballot hall of Famer.
- [30:24]
Joe Thomas
Yeah, I think, I mean, I think there'll be a lot more guys with, you know, 150 wins and 3,000 strikeouts. You know, if you think. I think there'll be a lot more guys, because if you look at it, the guys, guys strike out 250, 250 guys a year now or, you know, getting close to 300 strikeouts a year just because, you know, hitters don't care about Striking out. So I think we'll get guys with 3,000 strikeouts. I think it'll be harder to get guys to 200 wins. And as far as analytics, for me, I mean, yeah, I mean, I think they helped in, you know, I think they helped me get into the hall of Fame, obviously, like I said, because of, you know, the dying breed of starters. But while I was playing, you know, it was hard to, you know, transition to, you know, this, this world of analytics and you know, try to understand that they want you to destroy your best pitch over and over and over again. Where, you know, I understand you need to set up, you know, hitters to be able to, you know, trick them with your best fit. So, you know, it was, it was tough at the end of my career, you know, trying to pitch with analytics, but, you know, being outside out of the game and understanding that looks, I, I understand, you know, there's a need for it in the game.
- [31:33]
Dan Patrick
How did you do against Ichiro?
- [31:35]
Joe Thomas
Well, I mean, you know what, I honestly don't know. I bet you Ichiro has a good career batting average, batting average against me. Somebody told me last night that he was my thousand strikeout though. So that's pretty cool. But I got a cool story. I mean, 2006, I was struggling, trying to figure out I needed a put out pitch. So we're trying to figure out I was trying to, you know, how to learn how to throw a cutter. Carl Willis and I went down to the bullpen in Oakland and he showed me a grip of how he threw his cutter. And I came out of that bullpen with like a 82, 83 mile an hour slider that I started throwing and I was like, oh, this thing is nasty. I can't wait till my next start. We go from Oakland to Seattle. Next time I get into a game, I take it out there and the first time I throw it in the game each year will hit it off the window in my mind. I'm like, oh no, it's just easy. Like it's good because I'm getting out with it, I'm getting strikes with it. I'm like, no, it's good because the next time he hits it out again.
- [32:36]
Dan Patrick
Who was the guy though that you could never figure out?
- [32:39]
Joe Thomas
Man, it was a bunch. But I think Evan Longoria was a guy that I'll be standing on the mouth be like, man, I'm just, I can't, I got nothing for you but him, Manny Ramirez, you know, Miguel Cabrera, you know, just those quiet right handed hitters. That, you know, see the strike zone.
- [33:00]
Dan Patrick
Well, who's going to help you with your speech?
- [33:03]
Joe Thomas
I think everybody's gonna help me with my speech. You know, I, I mean, anybody that knows me, you know, I hate standing up in front of people and you know, kind of public speaking. So I'm, I'm gonna pull inspiration from everybody. But I want to, I want to make sure I get it right. I want to make sure, you know, I get, I name the right people and, and you know, get people their just due. Because it wasn't just me, you know, the reason why, you know, I'm going.
- [33:25]
Dan Patrick
To Cooper Sam as a Yankee, hopefully.
- [33:29]
Joe Thomas
As a Yankee, yes, as a Yankee.
- [33:31]
Dan Patrick
Should the ballot be made public? The, the writers, one, one person didn't vote for Ichiro.
- [33:39]
Joe Thomas
You know what? I don't think so. I mean, I don't, I don't like, you know, worrying about who didn't vote for who. I mean, it's, you know, he's in the hall of Fame now, so what difference does it make? You know, we spend so much time, you know, worried about the negative and you know, why he didn't vote for Ichiro. But let's talk about the 395 votes he did get and you know, him going to Cooperstown because he's well deserving of it. So, you know, it's, it, it, you know, it's just a, you know, something that, you know, in baseball we all worry about. In other sports, it doesn't matter, right? It doesn't matter what percent of the vote you get. Once you go in, you're in. So, you know, it kind of is what it is.
- [34:15]
Dan Patrick
Best player you played with in your career was who a Rod? Wow, that was quick.
- [34:22]
Joe Thomas
Oh, yeah. Why give Robbie Alomar a close second?
- [34:27]
Dan Patrick
Really?
- [34:28]
Joe Thomas
Yeah.
- [34:29]
Dan Patrick
So what was it about a Rod that you'd take him over everybody else?
- [34:33]
Joe Thomas
I mean, obviously just as the talent that, you know, I mean, you know, six, three, you know, third baseman, shortstop at the time, you know, when I, when I was coming up, but third basement the time when I played one. But his baseball, I, His IQ is off the charts. The way he watches the game, the way you step, you sit next to him on the bench and you know, you'd be like, oh, we need to hit and run here. Oh, we need a double steal or, oh, this team is going to do this. He watches the game at a different level than we all watch the game. And you know, having a chance to play with him and, and have him at third base, there'll Be times when, you know, a guy be coming up and he'd be like, hey, you know, throw a change up right here. This guy swinging first pitch. Or, you know, this guy, you know, he may be taken right here. So he would be, you know, just watching the game and, and the IQ and obviously putting the talent with that. You know, he was the best player that I've, that I've ever got a chance to, to be up close to.
- [35:24]
Dan Patrick
Did you ever get to socialize with Jeter?
- [35:26]
Joe Thomas
Oh, yeah, I'm really close with Jeter. He was actually just calling me right.
- [35:30]
Dan Patrick
I mean, right now. Oh, he is? Yeah. He's upset that you said a rod over Jeter. But did you go out in New York? Like, what, what was it like when Jeter was out?
- [35:42]
Joe Thomas
I mean, it was. It's always a lot of fun to go out with Jeep and hang out with Jeep because he, he takes all the attention. So, like, I can just kind of like hang out and slide in and nobody's going to ask you for autographs or pictures or anything. And you just kind of ride his coattail. So, yeah, I mean, he was, he was always really cool. I mean, as soon as I got here to New York that first spring training, me, him, Posada, you know, all the guys, we got really close. And I think that was the reason why we were able to win right away.
- [36:08]
Dan Patrick
But you didn't sit there and go, who's Jeter dating now? Like, who's, who's at. Who's like his lineup card at Yankee Stadium.
- [36:15]
Joe Thomas
Oh, no, that had nothing to do with me.
- [36:18]
Dan Patrick
But as an innocent bystander, you had to be like, ah, that looks like. Oh, that is. That's a favorite famous act. Jeter's definitely going to be calling you now. Hey, congratulations. And, uh, don't be afraid. Don't be afraid to emote. You know, you cry. We're right there with you.
- [36:39]
Joe Thomas
I appreciate it. Thank you, dp.
- [36:41]
Dan Patrick
All right, that's CC Sabathia. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show. Weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio.
- [36:51]
CC Sabathia
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- [37:54]
Matt Castle
Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirror ball trophy from Dancing With a Star. So where else are you going to find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? Based in Nashville, we're more than just your basic NFL show. We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything because we got lots to say. I I texted you and you texted me back. Now I don't know if you have the update, but like all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff, like it's all colored. They changed it and the heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm gonna be honest, it was a little pink.
- [38:38]
Dan Patrick
There was something sentimental when you, when you send it, it was like do, do I send the heart?
- [38:44]
Matt Castle
Now I don't like the color edition.
- [38:45]
Dan Patrick
It's extremely pink.
- [38:47]
Matt Castle
Listen to Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Consider this is a daily news podcast.
- [38:56]
Joe Thomas
And lately the news is about a big question. How much can one guy change?
- [39:02]
Dan Patrick
They want change.
- [39:03]
Matt Castle
What will change look like for energy?
- [39:05]
Dan Patrick
Drill baby Drill schools. Take the department Department education, Close it.
- [39:09]
Matt Castle
Health care better and less expensive.
- [39:12]
Dan Patrick
Follow coverage of a changing country. Promises made, promises kept. We're going to keep our promises on.
- [39:17]
Matt Castle
Consider this From NPR listen on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [39:23]
Jon Stewart
Catch Jon Stewart back in action on the Daily show and in your ears with the Daily Show Ears Edition podcast. From his hilarious satirical takes on today's politics and entertainment to the unique voices of correspondents and contributors, it's your perfect companion to stay on top of what's happening now. Plus, you'll get special content just for podcast listeners, like in depth interviews and a roundup of the week's top headlines. Listen on the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [39:57]
Matt Castle
The forces shaping markets and the economy are often hiding behind a blur of numbers. So that's why we created the Big Take from Bloomberg podc to give you the context you need to make sense of it all.
- [40:09]
Bobby Bones
Every day in just 15 minutes, we.
- [40:10]
Matt Castle
Dive into one global business story that matters. You'll hear from Bloomberg journalists like Matt Levine.
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Bobby Bones
A lot of this meme stock stuff is, I think, embarrassing to the Sec.
- [40:20]
Matt Castle
Amanda Mull, who writes our BusinessWeek Buying Power column.
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Bobby Bones
Very few companies who go viral are.
- [40:27]
Dan Patrick
Like, totally prepared for what that means.
- [40:29]
Matt Castle
And Zoe Tillman, senior legal report reporter. Courts are not supposed to decide elections. Courts are not really supposed to play a big role in choosing our elected leaders. It's for the voters to decide. Follow the Big Take podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen.
- [40:49]
Dan Patrick
A lot of fake laughter today. A lot of fake laughter. Don't need to do that with Tom Bernucci. He's very serious. Very serious. He joins us on loan from not.
- [40:58]
Matt Castle
Funny at all, actually.
- [40:58]
Dan Patrick
No, no, no. He's got a nice smile. He just, you know, Tom and great hair. He just not, he's not done have the one liners that Ken Rosenthal has. MLB Network, Fox Sports analyst and a senior writer for Sports Illustrated. Good morning, Tom.
- [41:14]
Justin Penick
Good morning. I don't know whether to compliment you on that intro or crush you, but well done.
- [41:20]
Dan Patrick
Your reaction to the hall of Fame vote?
- [41:23]
Justin Penick
Yeah, not surprising. I actually had written my story before the announcement was made thinking it would be these three. Wagner got in a little higher than I thought considering he was just five short last year. And the Ichiro thing. One person not voting for them. Dan, it's not a big deal for me. I'm like, put away the pitchforks and the torches. It's no equation the worth of the player.
- [41:46]
Dan Patrick
Right.
- [41:46]
Justin Penick
Mariano Rivera is not the greatest player in baseball history. Someone, I would like to know the reason. Don't get me wrong, someone must have a legitimate reason, I hope, for leaving him off the ballot. I'd like that person to explain himself, but I don't get upset about it. No, it's not like ho take away his voting privileges because he didn't vote the way he's quote unquote supposed to vote. I'm not buying that.
- [42:08]
Dan Patrick
But should the ballot be made public?
- [42:11]
Justin Penick
Yeah, listen, we're in a business of journalism, business and transparency. When we get that ballot, we're able to check a box that says, would you like the BBWA to make this ballot Public after the announcement and most of us always do. Right, but it is a choice, it's not an obligation. I would have no problem with making it public. I actually, Dan, I would prefer that it all be public. But you cannot reveal your ballot until after the announcement is made. Can you imagine, like the Grammys coming up, the Academy Awards, there was a running tracker of who was leading. No, I don't want that. I just want to hear the announcement when it's made of who won and what the vote totals were. I don't want it to influence the election and I want to hold off the surprise, frankly.
- [42:57]
Dan Patrick
Well, that's what it is with Heisman. They say don't reveal your ballot. And I always wait until after and then I say this is who I voted for and why I voted for them. But I look, I'm proud to have that opportunity so I don't want to hide from it. I would just be curious why this voter didn't vote for Ichiro. Like what, what was it that, that bothered you? Or sometimes, as you know, voters will give a vote to somebody else so they can get a little bit of a boost because this other guy is already going to get into the hall of Fame.
- [43:32]
Justin Penick
Yeah, I've heard of that in the past. It's tough to think that's in play this time. Dan, this was not necessarily a really deep ballot where you're fighting to keep guys on and 8, 9, 10 spots in the ballot. Now listen, Ichiro to me is a no brainer, right? 3,000 hits, 300 average, 500 stolen bases. One of only five guys to do that, a handful of guys, but I mean he does have the lowest adjusted OPS for any count. Corner outfielder in the hall of Fame. He was a singles hitter who didn't walk and didn't hit for extra bases. You want to hold that against them? I don't, but I like you. I would like to know what it was. You know, it's interesting. He came up for the Japanese Baseball hall of Fame ballot as well and only pulled about 93% over there. So I don't know, I don't know what's going on.
- [44:18]
Dan Patrick
Maybe bad that he left.
- [44:19]
Justin Penick
Yeah, there you go. He didn't, he didn't last long enough over there. I think he had a thousand hits over there. It wasn't good enough.
- [44:25]
Dan Patrick
Moving forward though, trying to look at starting pitchers and you know, trying to handicap. How do you quantify qualify these starting pitchers to be in the hall of Fame? Let's get rid of the guys, you know, are already in which Scherzer. And, you know, you got Clayton Kershaw, Verlander, maybe one. I don't know, Granky. I don't know. Is Granky a whole maybe? Yep. Yeah. Okay, now what do you do?
- [44:52]
Justin Penick
Yeah, it's a great question because, you know, watching a guy like Cece, he's got traditional numbers. 3, 500 innings, right? 3,000 punch outs, 250 wins, that's kind of easy. But those, I don't want to say he's the last of them, but it's. It's far and few between. So you're starting to now, I think, see a really seismic change in voting. And I think Felix Hernandez is kind of the canary in the coal mine here. Right. His peak actually was better than CC Sabathia's. He just threw so many innings at 19, 20, 21 that he didn't last in his 30s. So now you're gonna have to look back and guys like Johan Santana, Brett Saberhagen, Dave Stieb, Kevin Brown, David Cohn, a lot of these guys who had really, really high peaks were among the best pitchers in the game for, say, seven, eight, nine, 10 years, but didn't have the 3, 000 punch outs, 3,000 innings. There's a lot of guys, I think they're going to come into play as we go forward here, and very few like Sabath up.
- [45:48]
Dan Patrick
Okay, but is. Did Kurt Schilling come along on the ballot at the wrong time? Because if he was, if, if, if Shilling is on the ballot now, is he a Hall of Famer?
- [46:00]
Justin Penick
You know, if he takes down his social media account and he stays quiet, I mean, really, that's why he's not in the hall of Fame. He opened his mouth and people didn't like it. I voted for him every year. To me, he was Don Drysdale with a better postseason. Kurt Schilling was a history changer. It's easy for me to vote for guys who change history. Cece changed history. Whether it was the stretch run with Milwaukee, all time legendary stuff, or he signs with the Yankees, huge deal. They win his first year there and he's the guy, the MVP of the alcs. Schilling changed history. We can think about games at the top of our head that he influenced, essentially won himself that, to me, is a Hall of Famer. And he was tracking that way until he ticked off a lot of journalists and said the wrong things. They did, but how much is that.
- [46:45]
Dan Patrick
Supposed to factor in tomorrow?
- [46:47]
Justin Penick
Yeah, I don't think it does, Dan. I Think, listen, I didn't agree with what he said, but I vote on someone's playing.
- [46:54]
Dan Patrick
But he didn't cheat the game. You got guys who cheated the game, and we want them in the hall.
- [46:59]
Justin Penick
Of fame with PEDs. Dan, it's. It really affects how the game is played, the competitive aspect of the game. The most basic rule of competing in sports is play fairly. You hear it on the playground, you hear it in major league Baseball. Don't create an uneven playing field. What Schilling did as a player, I don't see any evidence that, you know, what his. His political views, his social views affected how he played the game. So I'm with you on that. It's not to say that you ignore it. You can disagree with it as I do, but doesn't mean you have to say, therefore, I'm not voting for hall of Fame. Very interesting to see what happens now, because he's off the writer's ballot. If a room full of 16 people in a veterans committee, 12 of them think, yeah, we're going to look past what he said and put him in the hall of Fame.
- [47:43]
Dan Patrick
I'll leave you with this. With the Dodgers and the amount of money that they're spending, they're not breaking any rules. They're. If that's my ownership, I'm thrilled that they want to ensure we're going to have a great team. Is there any recourse with baseball of doing anything about this in the future?
- [48:02]
Justin Penick
No, not now. They're playing by the rules, as you said. I mean, they have a billion dollars in deferred money. But Guggenheim, the company that owns the dodgers, has about $350 billion in defer. Oh, this is pocket change for what they do and how they operate. And I think you have to look at the fact, too, Dan, that their infrastructure, right, their technology, their coaching, everything they do to create a working atmosphere for players is top of the charts. Great. And if you want to go to the postseason, you sign with the Dodgers. They deserve credit for creating this atmosphere similar to the Yankees in the late 90s, right. Those are the advantage that they're operating with. Is it good for the game? I don't know. Listen, we all love Goliath. You're sitting here talking about the Chiefs every year, and people get tired of them. But we all like to also root for David against Goliath, right? So I think it's good for the game. But there already are owners around the game who can't compete even closely with how the Dodgers spend money, who say, we need a system that's different. And if you're talking about salary cap, just be prepared for not playing baseball in 2027. Because every time that issue comes up and the owners want to stick to it, we have the game shut down. That's the history of labor negotiating.
- [49:11]
Dan Patrick
Always great to talk to you. Thank you, Tom.
- [49:13]
Justin Penick
You got it, Dan.
- [49:13]
Dan Patrick
Thank you, Tom Bernucci. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports.
- [49:22]
CC Sabathia
Radio and the iHeartRadio app at public.com, we've brought all your investing together in one place. From stocks to options, bonds to Treasuries and crypto, it's all here. You can even put your cash to work at an industry leading 5.1% APY. It's the most simple yet sophisticated investing experience on the market. A place where all your investments are just a tap away. Because why juggle multiple investing apps when you can have one that does it all? Meet your new primary portfolio, public.com, a US based company and member of FINRA with award winning customer support. All your investing in one place 5.1% APY as of 521 subject to change. All investing involves risk brokerage services for U.S. listed securities options and bonds in a self directed brokerage account are offered by public Investing member FINRA and sipic. Not a bank, not investment advice.
- [50:26]
Matt Castle
Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirrorball trophy from Dancing with the Star. So where else are you going to find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? Based in Nashville, we're more than just your basic NFL show. We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit everything. Because we got lots to say. I, I texted you and you texted me back. Now I don't know if you have the update but like all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff, like it's all colored. They changed it and the heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm gonna be honest, it was a little pink.
- [51:09]
Dan Patrick
There was something sentimental when you like when you send it, it was like, do I send the heart now?
- [51:16]
Matt Castle
I don't like the color of the edition.
- [51:17]
Dan Patrick
It's extremely pink.
- [51:18]
Matt Castle
Listen to Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Consider this is a daily news podcast.
- [51:27]
Joe Thomas
And lately the news is about a big question. How much can one guy change?
- [51:33]
Dan Patrick
They want change.
- [51:35]
Matt Castle
What will change look like for energy?
- [51:37]
Dan Patrick
Drill baby Drill schools. Take the Department of Education.
- [51:40]
CC Sabathia
Close it.
- [51:41]
Matt Castle
Health care Better and less expensive.
- [51:43]
Dan Patrick
Follow coverage of a changing country. Promises made, promises kept. We're going to keep our promises on.
- [51:49]
Matt Castle
Consider this from NPR. Listen on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [51:55]
Jon Stewart
Catch Jon Stewart back in action on the Daily show and in your ears with the Daily Show Ears Edition podcast. From his hilarious satirical takes on today's politics and entertainment to the unique voices of correspondents and contributors, it's your perfect companion to stay on top of what's happening now. Plus, you'll get special content just for podcast listeners, like in depth interviews and a roundup of the week's top headlines. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [52:29]
Matt Castle
The forces shaping markets and the economy are often hiding behind a blur of numbers. So that's why we created the Big Take from Bloomberg podcast to give you the context you need to make sense of it all.
- [52:40]
Bobby Bones
Every day in just 15 minutes, we.
- [52:42]
Matt Castle
Dive into one global business story that matters. You'll hear from Bloomberg journalists like Matt Levine.
- [52:48]
Bobby Bones
A lot of this meme stock stuff is, I think, embarrassing to the Sec.
- [52:52]
Matt Castle
Amanda Mull, who writes our BusinessWeek Buying Power column.
- [52:56]
Bobby Bones
Very few companies who go viral are.
- [52:58]
Dan Patrick
Like, totally prepared for what that means.
- [53:01]
Matt Castle
And Zoe Tillman, senior legal reporter Courts are not supposed to decide elections. Courts are not really supposed to play a big role in choosing our elected leaders. It's for the voters to decide. Follow the Big Take podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen.
- [53:21]
Dan Patrick
Joe Thomas is the only player in NFL history to play in more than 10,000 consecutive plays without interruption or injury. The NFL record 10,363 snaps sounds pretty impressive. I don't know what it means, but you're Are you the Cal Ripken of offensive linemen?
- [53:42]
Bobby Bones
I'll allow you to call me the Cal Ripken of all of the NFL, if that's what you want to do. Dan, you can put the words in my mouth. I'm okay with that.
- [53:49]
Dan Patrick
Okay, but how many times were you aware of this streak when you played?
- [53:53]
Bobby Bones
I was. Yeah. So it was probably like year six or seven when I realized, huh, you know what? I don't think I've missed the play yet. And then our sports Information director Dan Murphy kind of looked into it and was like, hey, you're right, you haven't missed any plays. And oh, by the way, I don't think anybody's done that ever since they started keeping track in like 1999 or something like that.
- [54:12]
Dan Patrick
But how many times did you go out there just to keep the streak alive?
- [54:16]
Bobby Bones
So I never actually willingly like said, oh, I'm ready to take a break and oh, but I got the streak on the line. I got to go back out there. But certainly towards the end, as I was getting closer to 10,000, which is kind of a big milestone, I thought, you know what, hey, if, you know, my shoelace breaks or I lose a chin strap, do I call a timeout? Do I just like go and quick call a timeout so I can save the streak and just deal with the coach yelling at me on the sideline? And I think to myself, you know what, after nine years of doing this, I think I deserve to waste at least one time out if I had to with something goofy like a shoe gun tied or like busted the chin strap or, you know, something with the equipment malfunction happens.
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Dan Patrick
I had a former college coach, well known college coach, and he was talking about developing running backs because we don't use them the way we once did, but maybe there's a comeback with that with Derek Henry or Saquon Barkley, but also developing offensive linemen that the way the game is played in college, that we're not developing offensive linemen the way that we once did. Your thoughts on that of what you see with offensive linemen now as to, you know, when you were at Wisconsin?
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Bobby Bones
Yeah, it's a much more wide open game in college and in high school especially. And I think because of that, the guys on the offensive line are not really taught the breadth of techniques that we were when I was in college and when I was early in the NFL, where you have to learn so many different ways of blocking. You're blocking man concepts, you're blocking double teams and gap schemes, you're blocking inside zone, you're blocking outside zone. And then also you have your drop back pass, you have your three step, your five step, your seven step, your play action, your boots. So you have this huge catalog of techniques that you have to learn that they just don't do that quite as much anymore and they don't put as much pressure on the offensive lineman, which is probably a good thing because it takes a long time to learn all these different techniques. But I think they've really Dumbed it down and at the high school and college level. And so because of that, at the NFL, you see guys that they've got great technique, they're stronger, they're faster, they're more athletic than ever, but they don't have those pro style catalog of techniques that they used to. And so when you're asking them to do a bunch of different stuff, like NFL offenses, do, they struggle in a lot of different ways because it just takes a lot of time and a lot of reps to develop that. And, oh, by the way, we have less preseason time, we have less contact time in the off season and through training camp. And so you have less time to actually develop those techniques that you need the most.
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Dan Patrick
What is it about a couple of these tackles that get off the ball like they. It feels like they're moving before they're supposed to be moving. Lane Johnson kind of mastered this. But are. Are they like, is it illegal? Should it be flagged?
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Bobby Bones
No, I think the problem is, for decades, we were used to seeing the ball snap, and then after the ball is about almost between the center's legs, we see the offensive line move and defensive linemen were moving at a similar slow pace. Well, somewhere, I don't know, maybe middle. Beginning of my career, defensive lineman realized, hey, if I can beat that offensive tackle off the snap and get ahead of him, now he's playing catch up to me. Now he's back on his heels, and then now I can dictate whatever I want to do in my rush. At the point of contact, he's off balance. I can either bull rush him or I can push, pull him. I can rip to the outside, I can move to the inside, but I've got him right where I wanted. And so offensive tackles started realizing, hey, the secret to winning the rep is to win the snap. And that's what we started emphasizing. And so then you started hearing guys and seeing guys anticipate when the snap was coming. And so when you listen to a snap count, which is really important from a quarterback, I had a lot of quarterbacks, 20 quarterbacks that I blocked for that were starters at Cleveland. And the first thing that I would try to train these guys up on is, all right, we need a rhythmic cadence so that I can anticipate when you're going to call for the ball. And I can start the process of my brain telling my body to move, which there's a little bit of a lag time. It's not like the speed of light, but it's pretty fast. But that little split second of lag between when your brain says go and your body goes is enough of a difference maker. That is the determination of whether you win or lose the snap and whether you win or lose the rep in a pass pro. And so I would actually tell myself, like Lane Johnson and all the tackles that you're seeing doing a good job of it. I was telling my body to go before the call from the quarterback, which made the timing absolutely perfect. So if you actually look at it for a lot of these guys, the second the ball just starts to move before the snap even really happens, the tip of that football just starts moving. That's when they're moving and that's a perfect rep. And to the naked eye, it probably looks like they're jumping in their false starting until you slow it down on film and you see, oh, no, that was actually perfect. Because if they don't do that, that's exactly when the defensive linemen are moving.
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Dan Patrick
Okay, but give me a for instance, your quarterback line of scrimmage. When do you know that ball is going to be snapped? Because if he goes, you know, green 57 set, like, yeah, so if it's.
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Bobby Bones
On one, you'll hear the snap count. It's actually like a rolling cadence. So we used to do wide 80, wide, easy set up. So all those things kind of roll together. So when I would hear wide 80, wide 80 set, I was actually going on the set before the hut, which was actually the calling for the football. And so you had to also stay on top of your center because if he was trying to get a head start too, now all of a sudden the ball is coming before the quarterback and everybody else is ready. And so that's why it's really important that the quarterback's cadence and how he rolls into the hut and when the center is snapping, the ball is all perfectly in sync and perfectly the same from one snap to the next so that I can win. And the defensive lineman is a little bit behind.
- [59:53]
Dan Patrick
Spent 11 seasons with the Cleveland Browns, works for the NFL Network. Joe Thomas, hall of Famer. And you're working with Colt. Explain what Colt is.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah, Colt Firearms, they have made the Safety Impact Award to try to encourage safe and responsible firearm ownership. And myself, Clay Matthews, guy went against a lot, probably thought I was false starting quite a bit when he was playing for the Packers. Adam Vinatieri and Fletcher Cox, we're all trying to raise awareness for safe and responsible firearm ownership. We've all selected a nonprofit charity mine, the Great Ducks Unlimited, which fights for Wetland restoration and clean water, clean air throughout North America. And we're raising money for those organizations. And all people have to do is go to safetyimpactaward.com they can vote for those organizations. It's $1 per vote. And then when you vote, if there's a safety, which you get the little pun there on words. If there's a safety in the super bowl, people that voted for the winning charity have a chance to win a portion of $100,000 from Cordova. So you get an opportunity to get a free prop bet in the super bowl and get to cheer for a safety, which is my wife's favorite play. So I'm always cheering. Happy wife, happy life.
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Dan Patrick
Give me the quarterback who would be the toughest to block for.
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Bobby Bones
So there's always this conversation, I just had this with Lane Johnson a couple weeks ago about would you rather block for a quarterback that's mobile, that you know, if you get just flat out beat, like you just fall on your face and the guy runs past you, is able to make that guy miss and turn it, you know, chicken salad and, you know, or chicken, you know what in the chicken salad and. Or would you rather have the guy like a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady who's exactly in the right spot every time, he's not really going to avoid anybody, but he's throwing that ball on time. And for me, I always preferred the guy that was in the right spot getting rid of the football on time because then I knew I could do my job right no matter what. And like, I always wanted the onus to be on me to make sure that I did my job the right way. And I don't really care what the quarterback does, but if he's in that spot, he's going to be protected. But some guys, they prefer the guys that can get out and move. You know, the Jaden Daniels, the Jalen hurts, the guys that, hey, you get beat and all of a sudden he's going to make a great amazing play and convert a first down. And then all of a sudden, instead of the coach putting you in a headlock and giving you a noogie on the sideline, he's patting you on the back and say, hey, it's okay, you'll get him next time, buddy.
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Dan Patrick
But Mahomes is not like Jaden Daniels or Josh Allen. He's. Or even Jalen hurts that like he's just unique because I always call him an opportunistic quarterback. He's an opportunist like it. I'm not there's no design runs, but if there is a run, I'm going to be taking advantage of that. But then we also get to this point, where is he flaunting the protecting the quarterback when he's out of the pocket? If you were the NFL, would you make any tweaks to that rule next season?
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Bobby Bones
Absolutely. And I have been banging this drum for a while because I do not blame Josh Allen because he does that a lot too. I don't blame Patrick Mahomes. I just think that's they're doing a good job of utilizing the way the game is officiated right now. However, the NFL absolutely has to make a change with how they officiate the roughing the passer with how they officiate, the giving yourself up to slide for quarterbacks, how they officiate guys at quarterback like Patrick Mahomes did last weekend, where they look like they're about to go out of bounds and then they stop and then the defense hits them and then they fly out of bounds. And I don't even necessarily blame the quarter, the quarterbacks or the officials in this case. It's just how it's being officiated. Because if you look at the rule, they're saying that when a quarterback starts to slide, that's where the ball should be placed down. So the moment he starts to slide, that's where he's down. And it was a way of a quarterback being able to give themselves up when they're in open field without getting hit at all. And it was supposed to happen way before contact was ever made. But because officials were placing the ball like in the middle of when they started their slide, they were giving him these extra yardage after they had started sliding. And because of that, now you see quarterbacks doing these late slides. They're trying to get as close to a defensive lineman as they can and then maybe look like they're going to slide and then keep going. And it puts defenders in tremendous conflict because you don't know what the intentions of the quarterback is. And the intentions should be very clear by the letter of the law and the letter of the rule from the NFL, they should be able to understand well in advance from a defensive standpoint if that quarterback is giving themselves up or not. And the fact that it's not happening and we're getting late slides, we're getting fake slides, we're getting quarterbacks that pretend like they're going out of bounds and then they don't, it's actually become a very dangerous play. We saw that with Trevor Lawrence earlier in the season. Now, his wasn't quite as late, but because of this difficult quandary that we're putting the defenders in, whether they don't know what the quarterback is doing, and then if they don't make a play on the quarterback, they don't try to tackle them. Now they're a meme on social media for being a bozo and not trying to hit the quarterback and just standing there. And, you know, you have all these issues of not knowing what's happening. And so I think for the safety of the quarterbacks, which is, I think, in everybody's best interest, of course, we want to see Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen go at it this weekend. We don't want to see those two backups. Like, we want to keep them healthy, but it needs to be officiated differently and there needs to be some type of penalty, maybe like they did in the NBA with the flopping and stuff, against a quarterback who's not clearly giving himself up well before he gets anywhere near making contact with a defender.
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Dan Patrick
Did you ever think you were really intimidating anybody if in cold weather you went out there with short sleeves on?
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Bobby Bones
No, no. It was definitely a peer pressure thing. It was an ego thing that came from a long, long time ago. But the one thing I will say to people that, you know are always impressed because you always hear the announcers, well, the linemen are wearing sleeves. It's amazing. I actually felt that not wearing sleeves was warmer because when you wear sleeves, when you get sweaty, which inevitably you will now, that material has got water on it, sweat on it, and it's going to evaporate and make your arms colder. And so what we would do, and I'm sure they still do it, is if you wore bare arms, you put Vaseline, which helps cut the wind. It helps cut any of that evaporation that's going to happen. And then don't forget.
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Dan Patrick
Is that legal? Is that legal?
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Bobby Bones
As far as I know, I never got a flag for it. I never got fined for it. So I'm pretty sure it's legal. Defenders would do it, too. But. But I think the thing that we need to remember, too, is, like, underneath that shoulder pad and jersey that you're wearing, you're wearing, like a wetsuit. Like, you're wearing the warmest possible thing on planet Earth. You've got a wool patch stitched up into your helmet that covers your ears. The sidelines have these giant jet blowtorches that, like, they're so hot you can't even get near them. Or I've melted my shoes before. So it is plenty warm for those players. We do not have to feel sorry for those guys whatsoever on. On a cold day. Feel bad for the officials that don't get to go over there. May or the people that are working the sidelines are the fans, certainly, who don't have any of those heaters. But the players, they're just fine guys.
- [67:03]
Dan Patrick
He's Joe Thomas, hall of famer and 10,363 consecutive snaps without injury or interruption. See, you can't, like, if you're sick around the house with your wife, like, she'll be like, oh, Mr. Consecutive Snap Streak is not going to be able to help us take out the garbage.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah, it works good with my four kids because I'm like, hey, kids, all right, you can get up, you can go to school. You're just fine, you know. Okay. I'm sorry you hurt your shoulder.
- [67:31]
Joe Thomas
You know What?
- [67:31]
Bobby Bones
I played 10 and a half years in the NFL without missing a snap. I think you guys can suck it.
- [67:35]
Dan Patrick
Up for one basketball once again. You can go to safety impact award.com for more on what Colt is doing. The Safety Impact Award. Great to talk to you again, Joe. Thanks for joining us.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah, thanks for having me on, Dan. If you guys want to go to my social media, Joe Thomas, 73, you can also find that link on my Twitter and Instagram.
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What's up everyone?
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