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RG3 (3:48)

East Carolina.

Albert Breer (3:49)

East Carolina. And then Eli started out with.

Ty (3:53)

Morgan State or something?

Albert Breer (3:54)

Yeah, Murray State. And then Arch starts out with Ohio State. How do you. Okay, what do you take away from Arch's debut?

RG3 (4:03)

Well, Dan Payton also, you know, had a pretty bad game against Washington State when he went 7 for 14. Had to take over and during that game and they still won that game 10, nine. But for me with Arch Manning, this is just the epitome of the media building him up just to tear him back down and there's a lot of people jumping ship on him. But I do think you're allowed to say that he struggled. He did. He missed throws mechanically. He looked like something was was bothering him. I don't know if maybe his shoulder was hurting or something, but he wasn't following through on a lot of his throws and they were going at guys ankles, you know, really throughout the entirety of the game. So I think for Arch, listen, that Manning name on the back of your jersey is going to add extra scrutiny to everything that he does. But I don't think that he now just doesn't know how to play football at all. I think he had a Bad game. I think we're all allowed to have a bad day. And how he responds moving forward throughout the rest of the season will really determine all of his hopes and dreams. Being the number one pick, you know, being a Heisman trophy winner or trophy candidate in general will all be determined by how he plays the rest of the year. But I think people piling on him now are really just trying to take shots at the Mannings that they feel like they've never had a true chance to do. And I don't think that's right.

Albert Breer (5:19)

But this is what surprised me probably the most. You got Steve Sarkeesian, he played the position, he's an offensive minded head coach. You're going against a defense that led is led by Matt Patricia, who of course with Bill Belichick. What could Matt Patricia possibly dial up scheme that Steve Sarkeesian wouldn't go, hey, I've seen that before or I haven't seen like what, that's what everybody's like, oh my gosh. His game plan of, you know, confused Texas. How many game plan schemes can you have that's going to confuse Steve Sarkeesian?

RG3 (5:54)

Yeah, Dan, I don't think that they confused Texas at all. And this is what I'm talking about. We had a lot of people talking about how Arch was a generational talent going into this game after him only starting three games. Does his name have a little bit to do with that? Yes. But he also possesses a trait that the two most famous Mannings that we know of with Peyton and Eli really didn't, which was his legs and his ability to make plays as a scrambling quarterback and as a dual threat. But on the other side of that, there, there's also the protection of Arch where they're saying, oh, it wasn't, it wasn't Arch, it was the scheme. I watched all the tape three times and there are countless amount of plays that Arch didn't make in that game or was short on a throw. First pass of the game rolling to his right, throws it at his receiver's ankles and it's okay to, to bring that up because it's what the tape says and the eye in the sky doesn't lie. But when you're a play caller like Steve Sarkeesian and you're drawing up these plays and they're there, they gave him a lot of pure progression reads, which means it doesn't matter what Matt Patricia calls here, you're going 1 to 2 to 3 and. And arch was getting through his reads. He just didn't make those throws. Now you're putting yourself behind the eight ball, second and long, third and long, and those are places you don't want to be on the. Against the number three team in the country. So I think all these things are very easily fixable. But as you know, in this media game, it gets to extremes where people are piling on him too much or they're protecting him too much. At the end of the day, Arch Manning has to go out there and make the plays that are there. I don't think Steve Sarkeesian was trying to protect him with his play calls. I just think that it just wasn't their day.

Albert Breer (7:37)

If Alabama is average this season. Finish that sentence.

RG3 (7:43)

What is. What is average, Dan?

Albert Breer (7:45)

Give me a record. Five loss. Four or five losses.

RG3 (7:49)

Yeah.

Albert Breer (7:50)

Four losses.

RG3 (7:51)

Yeah. Kayla DeBord's fired, and I'm a Kaylin DeBoer guy. He's been a winner everywhere. He's been. Just to me with Alabama, it kind of reminds me of, like, players when they go to a different place and they find success where they didn't have it in the previous stop. Sometimes it's not that the player can't play. They're just not in the right system. It's not the right fit. And for Kaylin DeBoer, if Alabama loses four to five games this year, that doesn't fly. At Alabama, there's an expectation of greatness and expectation of national championships, an expectation of at least being in the national championship picture. And September is going to be very, very difficult. They're playing Georgia here in a few weeks and. And Kaylin DeBoer's leadership style is like the complete opposite in contrast to Nick Saban and how he handled his team. But I do believe that the fear factor of playing against Bama has been eroded by a number of things. Not just Saban not being there, but also nil. The transfer portal. Bama's just not as deep as it used to be and doesn't have that. That factor of, hey, our three deep is better than your starters because those three deeps are now playing at other schools, which is leveling the playing field in college football. So that's my long way of answering and saying, I love Kaylan DeBoer. I think he's a great coach. He just might not be the coach for Alabama, but if he wins and they end up being in the national championship picture, I do think that he.

Albert Breer (9:24)

Survives talking to RG3 Fox college football analyst and his podcast out of pocket with RG3. Yeah, I remember when Kalyn DeBoer joined us when he went to Alabama. I said, do you know what you're getting into? And he was like, yeah. And I'm like, you. Even if you think you know what you're getting into, you're not. It'd be like trying to be the President of the United States. You know what you're getting into? I think, yeah. I think, no, you have no idea. Even Belichick getting into college football. Okay, 70 new players and you're having 18 and 19 year olds. You know, this isn't NFL. You know, veterans taking care of business. 70 new players. Yeah, I don't know. Like, I. If they win eight games, that's probably what is expected. But after last night, if I said eight wins over under, you would take.

RG3 (10:19)

Oh, I take the under. There's. There's a deeper conversation here with Bill Belichick in this North Carolina team as well. You talk about those 70 new players. You mentioned it, Dan. In the NFL, these guys are trying to, you know, put food on the plates of their family, right? Grown men, they understand their responsibilities. They. They take it as a job. Those 70 new players are trying to figure out where the utensils go at the dinner table, right? So these, these guys, these are young men and you're having to mold them. And I'm not saying, hey, throw in the towel on Bill Belichick and Lombardi and what they're trying to build there at Chapel Hill. What I am saying is that it was not recognizable for a Bill Belichick football team. He always talks about, do your job. They lost a turnover battle, right? Three to one, threw an interception, had four fumbles, and they lost only two of them. But they gave up a hundred yard rusher, they gave up 100 yard receiver. And then quarterback Josh Hoover threw for 284 yards. So for me, you watch the defense. No gap integrity, no. No identity. They weren't running to the football. And Kendall Brows is the offensive coordinator for tcu, and he was our receiver coach when I was in college. And I haven't had a chance to talk to him yet, but I know for a fact that every single college coach that is going to face Bill Belichick this year is licking their chops to show him and show his staff that their scheme is better than his. Because for decades now, Dan, NFL coaches have silently been telling college coaches, hey, man, that college stuff don't work up here. And now he's going to the college realm. And they're all going to be saying, oh, hey, Bill, that NFL stuff don't work over here. They, they're going to use this as fuel to the fire because I know a lot of players feel the same way that the college coaches do. Why aren't we running more of these college schemes in the NFL?

Albert Breer (12:17)

Explain that to our, explain that to me in our audience of what exactly is it that North Carolina is trying to do that is going to be to their detriment?

RG3 (12:26)

First and foremost, when you talk about the NFL game compared to the college game, the biggest difference isn't just the age of the guys and the maturity level, it's also the hash marks. So in college football the hashes are much wider. So your boundary side of the field is shorter and the field is much wider. So some of the gap responsibilities that Bill Belichick is used to because of the tight hashes in the NFL, they go by the wayside. I've had many NFL defensive coordinators when I played in college come to college and didn't know how to play college quarters because of the hash marks. Now you got a safety playing quarters with way more field that he has to cover on the field side, putting him in one on one matchups. It's why coverage in college football from the safety position is more important than it than it's ever been in the NFL because you can hide those guys and not have them on an island against a guy who runs a 4:2. So when you look at Belichick and what their adjustments are going to have to be, it's the tempo NFL. Most teams are only used to tempo and 2 minute drills. I would just call Baylor vs Auburn. Both teams ran tempo the entire game. It was hard to get a replay in. They're gonna have to, they're gonna have to adjust to those types of things. And then it's the, it's the new guys. You brought in Gio Lopez from South Alabama, you got Max Johnson there who came at the end of the game and played well, although the game was already out of hand. Who's going to be your quarterback? Who's going to be your difference maker in college? That's way more important than it is at the NFL level. If you get one Lamar Jackson in college, you can win eight games in the NFL. You need Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry and Z. Flowers and Marlon Humphrey and, and that's what I think Bill is more used to is those already pre qualified players that he knows are going to be where they're supposed to be. Now coming to the college ranks, it's just a lot different And TCU exploited that. Sonny Dyke said, hey, they're talking about Bill. They should be talking about us. And I think they prove that.

Albert Breer (14:23)

Yeah. When you talk about a quarterback, make a difference. Like you at Baylor, like Cam at Auburn.

RG3 (14:28)

Correct.

Albert Breer (14:28)

Who's the greatest college quarterback of all time, in your opinion?

RG3 (14:32)

Oh, the greatest college quarterback of all time. Just from a pure accolade standpoint, you know, I'd have to go with Tim Tebow. I think what he was able to accomplish at Florida, the speeches.

Albert Breer (14:46)

How about one year? One year. One year, greatest college quarterback.

RG3 (14:52)

I mean, I'm going to exclude myself from this conversation.

Albert Breer (14:55)

Of course.

RG3 (14:57)

He'S going to put that.

Albert Breer (14:58)

Unless you feel like you're. You had the greatest single.

RG3 (15:02)

No, no, no. I just think. I think what we were able to accomplish at Baylor hasn't been accomplished anywhere else. And the turnaround that we did. But that's a conversation for another time.

Albert Breer (15:10)

All right.

RG3 (15:11)

Would say from a single greatest year, man, it's, it's. It's Cam Newton. It, it has to be Cam going from Blenn going to Auburn and what he was able to. To pull off, like some of those quarterback powers. Dan, I don't think anybody in the stadium wanted to tackle Cam on those quarterback powers. And to see, like, he lined up at wide receiver and Moss, the db, like, like he was doing it all that year. And I know Cam, you know, we, we talk a lot. We compete in overtime 7 on 7 with our, with our 7 on 7 football teams. And Cam is. He's out there, you know, the clothes, the hats, he does his thing. He's got his own swag. But when you talk about on the football field, that's probably the single greatest season I've ever seen.

Albert Breer (15:59)

How do the Eagles not go to the Super Bowl?

RG3 (16:04)

They don't stay healthy. When you. We talked about the dynasty that is the Chiefs, the Chiefs were a dynasty. They were trying to do something that had never been done before. Now I think the Eagles have kind of taken that mantle of. All right, let's go and repeat and see if we can build this thing over time. They're health, they're healthy right now. Obviously, the combination of. It's like the Big five for them on offense, you know, it's. It's Jalen Hurts, It's Saquon Barkley, A.J. brown, Devonte Smith and Dallas Goddard. That big five right there is certainly the best big five in the NFL because it's never been a big five, dad. It's always been like a big three or a big two. So I think for the Eagles, as long as they, you know, don't get complacent, they're, they're the favorite to, to repeat a Super bowl champs. It's just going to come down to them staying healthy. And I think Nick Sirianni is actually one of the best coaches in the NFL and doesn't get enough credit for what he's been able to do to keep that team together and focused over the last few years.

Albert Breer (17:05)

What's it like to go back to pass and you have somebody with the athleticism of Michael Parsons, like, like, like the, it's a split second and you know he's there. You got to kind of keep an eye. Well, you tell me you're going back to pass and you know he's there. What is that feeling like for a quarterback?

RG3 (17:28)

Oh, it's, it's, it's nightmarish, I would say, because, because Micah isn't just your. Like, I knew when I put, when I played DeMarcus Ware and, and we were playing with the, the Redskins at the time and against the Dallas Cowboys, I knew I could get away from DeMarcus because I was, I was more athletic than DeMarcus. But with Micah, like Micah beat Tyreek Hill in the race now and I know Tyreek was, was kind of jogging and whatever, but still that was impressive. So, you know, with Micah, his change of direction, his accele speed, he can't, he can not only hit you hard, but he can run you down. So I know you're getting into the realm of like the Dallas Cowboys and, and making that trade. It doesn't make any sense to me because you, you kind of paid Duron Bland to kind of distract from the fact that you traded away Micah Parsons. And I'm always for guys getting the bread. I'm happy for Duron, but we're not gonna forget that you just trade or traded away the actual generational talent that you've been looking for and you got only two first round picks for him. And those two first round picks, you know what they're, you're hoping they become Dan, you're hoping they become Micah Parsons. So that, that to me, you got to get at least three first round picks for them if you're going to trade them away. I've heard a lot of stuff behind the scenes when it comes to Micah, but on the football field, his production is very hard to replicate. You have to ask yourself, who's in a better position now to win the Super Bowl? Is it the Dallas Cowboys or is it the Green Bay Packers? And I think overwhelmingly it's the Green Bay Packers.

Albert Breer (19:06)

Great to talk to you as always. Have fun. Safe travels to CD on.

RG3 (19:10)

Appreciate you brother. We'll talk soon.

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Luke Deock, Raleigh News and Observer sports columnist for 17 years covering North Carolina football well, last time I had you on, I don't know how optimistic you sounded there, but how's morale in North Carolina today?

Dan Patrick (24:45)

Yeah, I mean, I think it's fair to say that things did not go as planned in the Bill Belichick debut last night. You know, it's funny, the first six minutes they get out there, 83 yard touchdown drive, very clean, very crisp, three and out on their first defensive series and you were like, oh, hey, you know, maybe these guys did split the atom. And then the next 54 minutes looked like pretty much every era of North Carolina football and the history of North Carolina football. The talent level, I think is, is the more disturbing thing than the coaching. It just, you know, it looked almost like one of the late David Cutcliffe era Duke teams or where you're just kind of getting beat at every position. The secondary was full of transfers. It got torn apart. Their two best offensive players were guys who were holdovers from the Mack Brown era. It just, it did not look like an ACC caliber team. It looked like, you know, a stew of a bunch of things thrown together, hoping that the celebrity chef could make something out of it. And, you know, you're up against an established program with a philosophy and a foundation and a background. And TCU did what you would expect them to do. They, they went up against a team they didn't know anything about. They made quick adjustments, effective adjustments, and UNC never adjusted. It was, it was, you know, kind of the debacle. The last time you and I talked, we were like, how bad could this potentially get? I think this is how bad it could potentially get.

Albert Breer (26:07)

Okay, it is one game. And I always caution people, whether they're criticizing Arch Manning or Alabama or it's one game, but there can be breadcrumbs that are put down that you go, I don't know. If I keep following this, it, it may end up worse than this. I think the over under was eight and a half for Carolina. Where would you stand on that bet today?

Dan Patrick (26:33)

Yeah, I'm still under. I mean, I think to get to nine Wins. Ten wins. You had to win this one. That's kind of predicated on getting off to a good start. You know, you win the TCU game, you've got all this hype. You got Michael Jordan, Lawrence Taylor, Mia Hamm, Roy Williams. Not that Roy misses a UNC football game, but you had the national sports world watching and you know, Herb street and Rhys Davis and Pat McAfee and Herbie's dog. And like everybody on the planet's watching this football game and you're trying to capture all this momentum. You had nine months to prepare. The eyes of the world are on Chapel Hill. You got all these stuff that they've trademarked Chapel, Bill and Bill's version and all this stuff. And then you go and lay an egg like that. It certainly, if this was going to be what we had been pitched, what the UNC boosters and trustees had paid all these millions of dollars for, it was not going to look like this. Off the hop now. Yeah. It doesn't mean that they can't regroup and figure things out and maybe make some changes in terms of who's playing and who's on the depth chart. But, you know, the, the vision that was out there did not start like this. This was pretty grim. And to be honest, that second half, you know, TCU comes out, scores a 75 yard touchdown on the first play, Carolina costs it up for another TCU touchdown. I mean, it. It's all. You know, I hate to say, like a team quit, but it did look like Carolina ran out of gas physically and emotionally and just couldn't keep up in the second half. That's not a great sign in terms of what are the breadcrumbs, in terms of what could work going forward. When you add six minutes of good football that you had nine months to prepare for, and everything else fell apart after that.

Ty (28:12)

Yeah.

Albert Breer (28:12)

And that's what I was going to bring up, Luke, that you had all this time to prepare for this opponent. You bring in 70 new players. Yes. You have Bill Belichick, the king of adjustments. And I'm thinking, all right, TCU is showing some life here. Offensively, Bill will make changes. He did that famously with the Patriots. I just don't know if you can ask an 18 or 19 or 20 year old to make adjustments on the fly like he was asking professionals in New England. And maybe he didn't have the talent that he thought, because there felt like a real disparity, you know, in the second half of the haves and the.

Dan Patrick (28:52)

Have nots and I honestly think it could have been worse. In the first half. There were opportunities for TCU to throw the ball that they weren't taking because they really were, you know, like it's football, right? We're going to establish the run game and get our go through our scheme and get everything set up. And there were chances to take shots deep against North Carolina secondary in the first half. The TCU passed on. They did not in the second half. And that would be the number one thing that would worry me if I were Bill belichick, you know, Mr. Defense. I mean, maybe there just weren't enough lacrosse players out there. But the secondary's inability to cover and then the inability to get pressure, I mean it was just sort of a cascading series of failures on defense. And then what happened at that point, the second half is the complete inability to tackle. So now we've gone from adjustments to cascading failures to just fundamentals. And if I'm Bill Belichick, that that's what's going to keep me up last night more than anything is we put together a roster that not only can't make the adjustments you're talking about, but can't do the basic things we need to do just to win football games.

Albert Breer (29:53)

Talking to Luke Decock. He is a sports columnist, Raleigh News and Observer covering North Carolina football for 17 years. Clemson at home in five weeks.

Dan Patrick (30:04)

Yeah, I mean, look, Charlotte on the road. I mean this, you, you're now it's your first road game, short turnaround from Monday to Saturday. You got a lot of things you need to fix. You got a million dollar quarterback who looked terrible and has a sore back. Now there are issues with this team, even if they had won this game, that have to be resolved before the Charlotte. Now look, Charlotte struggled in their opener. This is a game that, you know, it's crazy. UNC is going on the road. This game was set up years ago, as we all know in college football. But this is no gimme. I mean they have got to get out there and find a way to execute and do the things that they did on that first drive and failed to do. It was just, you know, the students were leaving like the third quarter wasn't even half over. The students were gone by the end of the third quarter. The boosters who'd paid for this were gone. I mean, it was just the way that balloon punk was, was punctured and burst and the air just went out of everything. That's tough for players to like. They have to get back to where they were going into this game to play a team that they're not going to be excited about playing. Forget about Clemson. I mean, that. You got to get ready to play Charlotte, which is the kind of game that you would say, oh, this is a potential letdown game. I mean, app State and East Carolina are always tough games for. For these schools, for UNC and Duke and State, because those are the biggest games on the calendar for those teams. And now Carolina's got to go play in one of those games against a team that's, you know, like everybody else this season is going to be really fired up about the chance to prove itself against Bill Belichick.

Albert Breer (31:33)

How patient should people be? How patient will the boosters be with Bill?

Dan Patrick (31:38)

Boosters are going to be patient because they're pot committed now. They've got no choice. I mean, they're. They're. This is. They made this bed. They're gonna have to sleep in it. I think based on the fan reaction last night, the patience is already gone. It's. It's a little unfair. And look, Carolina brought this on itself. Bill Belichick brought this on himself. Michael Lombardi brought this on himself. They talked that they had untied the college football knot. They were going to come in. They were smarter than everybody else. They were better than everybody else. And it turned, like I'm telling you right now, Dave Dorn over in Raleigh, the NC State coach last night, I guarantee you, he had a cigar. He had a solo cup of whiskey. He's got his feet up, he's laughing his butt off. Like, these guys just came in. We are so much better than you. We have this figured out. We have super bowl rings, and they got their, you know, they got embarrassed in their first college game. I think the fans saw that, too. There was a very strong element of the emperor's new clothes last night. You know, I joked in my column, like, you know, forget the cutoff sleeves. Belichick got pants last night, like, he got exposed. And that I think more than anything, really sort of put a pin in the idea that, you know, the UNC is going to be in the CFP and they're going to revolutionize college football. And, you know, they've got a new paradigm. I mean, it was to get beat like that, to be out talented and out coached and out adjusted and. And just to see what we've known all on, right? TCU out there. Out there tweeting a image of the Hulu series and saying, when's the first episode? Like, everybody is gunning for these guys and they were totally unprepared for. So I, I mean, to me, the patience is already gone. People are just kind of wondering how bad it's going to be. And again, look, we, we talked about this a second ago. This is maybe not the way the whole season is going to go. Right? Like you can get better. And if Bill Belichick is the coach that he says he is and that UNC's boosters are paying for, they will get better and they will learn from this. And now they have film and they know who they can trust and who they can't. But, you know, and if this was John Sumrall or Jeff Monkin or any of the other coaches they could have hired, we'd all be saying, hey, what did you expect? They have 70 new players, right? This is turnover. There's going to be growing pains and this is going to take time. But that's not what Bill Belichick said. That's not what he promised. They were coming in to change college football to be the 33rd NFL team. And I'm going to make the same joke I made the last time I was with you. Like, yes, this, this was very Cleveland Browns esque. It was very much the 33rd NFL team.

Albert Breer (34:06)

Just to confirm North Carolina is still a basketball school.

Dan Patrick (34:10)

I mean, the, the only Jordan that still matters is Michael.

Albert Breer (34:15)

Well, weren't they together with the dignitaries up there all.

Dan Patrick (34:18)

Yeah, Lawrence Taylor and Roy. Yeah. But hey, you know, it's, it's, to me, to me, this almost puts more pressure on Hubert Davis because basketball is going to have to make up for this.

Albert Breer (34:31)

You know, the uniform still look good last night though, Luke.

Dan Patrick (34:34)

That's the most important thing.

Albert Breer (34:35)

Of course. Yes. Great to talk to you. I look forward to talking to you maybe after week five when North Carolina shocks Clemson. And then what are you going to write in your column then?

Dan Patrick (34:46)

I mean, hey, look, man, I'm perfectly compared for my own comeuppance if they can turn this around. But based on the early returns, I don't necessarily think that's likely. Certainly possible.

Albert Breer (34:56)

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Matthew Stafford expect to play Week 1, according to the Rams. And Micah Parsons working through a back issue. He is expected to play in week one and may need an epidural. Speaking of NFL News, Albert Brer, the Monday morning quarterback, senior NFL reporter who was also at the Ohio State Texas game, being an Ohio State apologist there, what would you what? Okay, your takeaway from Arch Manning was what?

Ty (40:43)

He's a kid in his first game as the true starting quarterback, his first game against an elite opponent, and I actually thought he showed some resilience, making Some big time throws at the end of the game. There was the one to, there was one for the touchdown down the right sideline. There was the one, the tight end down the left sideline on the final possession of the game. So was it perfect? No. I mean, Dan, I, I just look, and I've been saying this for four months, like, I just think it's asinine that anybody's projecting him to be the number one pick in the draft. We don't know he might become that. But, you know, I think there's so little that we've seen at this point and scouts will tell you this is like, there's so little you can take from two starts against a directional school. And what was the worst team in the SEC last year. You don't know what's going to happen when he gets knocked around a little bit. You don't know what's going to happen when teams get five, six, seven games of tape on him and now they're able to game plan him. You don't know what's going to happen when he plays an elite opponent. And this is a process that all young quarterbacks have to go through. And because of his last name, he's been elevated to this level where the expectations are almost impossible. I mean, go back and look at like what Cam Ward's first five or six games at Washington State looked like when he went from incarnate word to Washington State. Now this is a guy who became the first pick in the draft, right? And he had played, he had started for two years at a lower level of college football. And I think there was a, I want to say a four game stretch where he threw seven picks. Nobody cared because his last name's Ward, not Manning, you know, so, yeah, I think there's a lot of talent there. I think the kid's got a great head on his shoulders by all accounts. Like, you know, I talked to Quinn Ewers about him earlier in the off season and Quinn loves him. And that's a kid who would have every reason not to like him, loves him, you know, and I've even seen some things that Arch has said that show a tremendous amount of self awareness, you know, like where he says things like, you know, I can't wait to see what it looks like when I have I throw my first pick. And now everybody goes from thinking I'm the best player in the world to the worst player in the world. You know, I think he's got the head and the talent to work through all of this. But I think what you saw on Saturday was part of the process of becoming a big time quarterback.

Albert Breer (43:00)

Will be less patient with Bill Belichick and the results at North Carolina. What would you say would be it's one game, obviously, but a little bit more disturbing that this could be. Yeah, maybe season one. Maybe more systemic.

Ty (43:16)

Yeah. So I would say, you know, I expected them to lose the game because I just think TCU's got better players. And you know, the reality is they were at a talent deficit in that game. That's a well coached team. You know, Sunny Lubbock took them to the national semif, did the national championship game just a few years ago. It's not some pushover. They were playing in week one, so I thought they'd lose. What surprised me was like what a bleep show it turned into in the third quarter. And I don't know if you like how much you, you have the game you watched Dan. But to me, like the third quarter, it was, I mean, it was like almost bad news Bears. Ish. Maybe I'm dating myself a little bit with that reference. But, you know, the first play from scrimmage is 75 yard touchdown. On the second possession, they convert third and 20 with a seam route right down Main Street. And then, you know, the running back scores in the next play untouched from 28 yards out. You know, and then you had the fumble return for a touchdown A little bit after that. It just, it felt like the team wasn't prepared, you know, to come out of the locker room for the second half. And that was what was alarming to me about it. It wasn't. It wasn't. Again, it wasn't that they lose the game. I thought they'd lose the game. It was the way that it looked towards the end. And so, you know, I think Bill knows he's got a lot of work to do, but that was something I think you wouldn't expect from a Bill Belichick coach team, regardless of, of how long or short he's been in a place.

Albert Breer (44:44)

Okay, you're not reporting this, but if I said if you were going to bet on this, what is Bill Belichick doing a year from now coaching North Carolina? Okay.

Ty (44:55)

Yeah, I think, like, I mean, look like there's 70 new players. That's the number, right?

Albert Breer (45:00)

Yeah.

Ty (45:01)

Okay, so Deion Sanders went through this two years ago in Colorado and I think Dion, if I remember, I didn't. He beat TCU in his first game, isn't that right?

Albert Breer (45:09)

Yeah.

Ty (45:10)

But then what was their record I.

Albert Breer (45:12)

Think they won four games, right?

Ty (45:15)

So like Dion eventually got there. But I think some people looked at that and underestimated like what a herculean task it is to turn over that much of the roster when you're dealing with like 19, 20, 21 year old kids, you know, and maybe Bill, you know, like underestimated what that, what, what, what the, what the task there would be. But that's a really serious overhaul of a college program. And I think, you know, now it's the benefit of having like at least a game of evidence of might have been too much to ask to ask for a really great performance right out of the gate.

Albert Breer (45:56)

Talking Albert Breer, the Monday morning quarterback, senior NFL reporter How many teams were in play for Micah Parsons?

Ty (46:04)

I think the number was. It was six, like, and at the very end, maybe less, but, but there were six that were involved and, you know, the Cowboys took what they felt like was the best offer. Now, I think that the thing that people are missing here, and I think this is a really interesting nuance to it, is that there's a bigger picture thought here for Dallas and what they're doing. And I'm not going to tell you that they didn't want to resign, Micah. They did. But when things broke down in the spring, they had a series of conversations about like, okay, like, what are we trying to do here? We haven't been to an NFC championship game, let alone a Super bowl in 29 years. That's the third longest drought in the NFL yet. We've, I think they're top 10, top seven or eight maybe in, in wins over that same period. So you've been consistently really good, but never good enough. Right. Like at the end, you know, and I think they, you know, with a new head coach now, Brian Schottenheimer started to look in the mirror a little bit about it, you know, and it was like, okay, like, so if we are going to get to a point where we're going to trade Micah Parsons, is there some sort of pivot we want to make here? And that pivot wound up being we want to like really lean in on what Brian Schottenheimer is trying to build here, which you've heard him use the phrase the greatest culture in professional sports. And maybe that's a little bit of hyperbole, but like, that's the idea of what they're trying to do there. And then you look at their first two draft picks in April, and it was two guys who are just middle of the fairway from a makeup and character standpoint. And Tyler Booker from Alabama and Donovan as a rock, who from Boston College. Really productive college players who are really great people. And then you look at what Dallas did here, right? Like which not all six of the teams had two first round picks on the, on the table, but the rough ask was two first round picks and a player that can be useful for us. And the Cowboys actually asked for Kenny Clark. And I think the packers were taken aback a little bit by that thinking like, well, they lost DeMarcus Lawrence. They, they're losing Micah Parsons here. We thought maybe they'd want an edge player. And packers people were heartbroken like losing Kenny Clark. Right. The reason why is because the person he is. And I think that that was a huge part. That was a huge part of why Dallas asked specifically for him. Because it's leaning into what they're trying to build and leaning into that whole we're gonna have the greatest culture in the NFL thing and maybe that'll be the difference maker for us. Now will it work? We'll see. But in drafting Booker and drafting as a Rocco and now bringing in Kenny Clark, I think they're kind of looking at it and saying, how can we make the locker room the best locker room in the NFL and how can we empower Dak Prescott to be the leader of the team? And we'll see how all that works out. But Micah Parsons didn't really fit into that. Now, again, they wanted to resign him. I'm not saying they didn't want to resign him, but the idea was if we do move on from this guy, what are we going to do? And I think you see a pretty clear vision for what they're going to do on the field with the run stopping stuff that they've said a million times now, but also off the field.

Albert Breer (49:08)

Yeah, but you don't bring in George Pickens if you're talking about the locker room.

Ty (49:12)

Yeah, but that's for a year.

Albert Breer (49:15)

Okay, but I mean, okay, now you can stop the run. Now can you stop the pass? Like, you know, you.

Ty (49:21)

Right. And I understand, I, and I understand there's a lot of that. Right, like in the Pickens things. That's a good rebuttal. There's no question, like, that's a big risk for them, you know, but that's for a year and you'll see where that goes. And in the meantime, like they are able to take that money and, and, and sign some of their own guys, you know, I mean, Daron Bland's one who's got Got done over the last couple of days. Tyler Smith, another, you know, you know, a real like, foundation piece for them on the offensive line that they plan to resign. Like, these things would be more difficult if you had Michael Parsons making between 45 and $50 million a year. So again, like, I think there's just sort of a big picture idea here in the way that they're going to handle it. And.

Albert Breer (50:05)

But Kenny Clark helps you now, but you're, you don't need help now. He's not the future. You're getting two first round picks. I mean, how did Jamal Adams got three. There was three first round picks for Jamal Adams for the Jets. Like, I, I just don't understand. If I look at some of these other players who've been traded, defensive players. Yeah, you got a lot more for these guys.

Ty (50:29)

And I think that that, like, that to me is another valid criticism is like, if you were talking about this in March and April, right? Then you should have created the tension point with your player then. And I think that, that, that piece of it to me is really important because if you are putting Micah Parsons on the market in March and April, there's way more of a market for him. It's tough to trade a guy right before the start of the season. Teams budgets are set, their caps are set, their, their rosters are set. Like, when you're talking about bringing in a player of this magnitude, like, that's, that's a big thing. The, the capital that you got to fork over for them and the contract you got to fork over, like, that's a lot. And if you're looking at the idea of this and you say put them on the market in March or April, well, then you're probably going to have more teams involved because more teams are going to, you know, sort of have stayed loose at that point with an ability to pivot and, and make moves at certain positions that you wouldn't be able to make in the summer. And then, you know, like, you're also. The other benefit of doing it then is that you're actually going to get one of those picks on your team this year. You know what I mean? Like, so instead of having to wait until 26 and 27 to have those guys on your team, like whatever picks you get in 25 now, those teams, those guys are going to help you right now. So I think that's a very valid criticism, that they shouldn't have let this thing linger. They shouldn't have let it go through camp 100%. I'm with you on that, like that's a fair criticism. And they should have reached this tension point with Micah Parsons and David Mulligetta and all the people in that camp way earlier than they did.

Albert Breer (52:11)

You got your super bowl pick.

Ty (52:14)

I can't remember who I picked and I don't want to go again. It was Buffalo and who did I pick? You can tell how much work I put into this, Dan, how much I, I picked Buffalo and the Rams.

Albert Breer (52:30)

I think even with Stafford's back, I.

Ty (52:35)

Think the Rams are going to be really good. Like I think Devonte Adams.

Albert Breer (52:38)

Oh, I think they're going to be good. But I'm, I'm only worried about Matthews. They go as Matthew Stafford goes.

Ty (52:44)

Yeah, they do. And I think, I think Matthew's back is going to be all right. I just. The people that I've talked to there the again, I, and I'm not minimizing like what he's dealing with. He's definitely dealing with a serious injury, but they felt like they could have thrown him out there early in camp and this was more about. Matthew's only got so many bullets left in the gun and we don't need to be firing those bullets in the first week of August or the second week of August, especially when Jimmy Garoppolo is on the bench and he can come in and run our offense at a starting caliber level so the other 10 guys in the huddle can get all the reps that they need running our offense to get ready for the season. So, you know, I, that that was sort of the approach they took. Like until he's 100%, we're not going to put him out there. And they got very close to that, you know, before putting him out there. And Matthew has managed these things too. Like he's had, you know, I think from all the damage he took over the years in Detroit, like as extensional injuries for a quarterback, a wrist, an elbow. So, you know, back is definitely not good for an older guy. But he's managed this sort of thing in the past and I, I personally think like they'll be able to manage him through the, through the season and they've got a damn good team around him. Like I think if you look at the young talent on that team and the job that they've done moving out of like the Aaron Donald, Jalen Ramsey, Cooper cup era, they've done a really, really nice job of reworking that roster and I think they're going to be right in until the end.

Albert Breer (54:16)

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Ty (54:20)

I like the Bucks too. I mean, the amazing thing about the box, if you look at the roster, the, the number of guys that are homegrown and the depth they have there and the way that they've been able to kind of go from the Brady era group, like, same, same thing. I was talking about the Rams and then draft and develop young guys and, and, and get a year ahead of things like, like a mecca. Abuka might be not. Might, might not be a big. Might. Might not feel a big need for them right now with Mike Evans and Chris Godwin coming back off the injury, but that's going to be a big need in a year or two in all likelihood. Right. So you get that taken care of now. They've done a really good job of, of restocking their roster, having Zion McCollum ready to go as Carlton Davis was walking out the door. You know, like they've just done a really good job of continuing to, I mean, churn that roster where when older players are on their way out, they have an answer. And, and I think Baker Mayfield is, is pretty underrated too, I think. I think Baker's got a chance to have a dynamite year.

Albert Breer (55:28)

Always great to talk to you. Thank you, Albert.

Ty (55:31)

All right, thanks, Dan. And by the way, thanks for the fantasy draft. Your secret is safe with us. I will say that we took every precaution necessary to make sure.

Albert Breer (55:40)

Yes, some of those team names. You wouldn't want me saying that around your wife, would you?

Ty (55:44)

Well, you can see you can say mine, right?

Albert Breer (55:46)

I could. They have all these descriptive names. Albert. Albert's fantasy league. Albert's team is called Albert's Team.

Ty (55:54)

That's because when we changed platforms I forgot to rename it. So mine wasn't very good before that either.

Albert Breer (56:00)

Everybody has some wild, inappropriate name and then his is Albert's team.

Ty (56:06)

Yeah, that was. I think that was Yahoo. I think that was the automatic Yahoo name that they slapped on it. Thank you. But everybody appreciated it. It was really good.

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