The Best of The Dan Patrick Show

Summary

The Best of The Dan Patrick Show Released on November 29, 2024

Introduction In this special episode of The Dan Patrick Show, hosted by iHeartPodcasts and the Dan Patrick Podcast Network, co-hosts Dan Patrick and Doug Gottlieb delve deep into the aftermath of the highly anticipated Thanksgiving Day NFL games. Featuring expert analysis, heated discussions, and insightful commentary, this episode provides listeners with a comprehensive breakdown of key moments, coaching decisions, and player performances from the games that captivated audiences.

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1. Thanksgiving Day Showdown: Bears vs. Lions

Game Overview Dan Patrick kicks off the discussion by highlighting the monumental ratings of the Thanksgiving Day games broadcasted on Fox and CBS, noting that they consistently attract some of the highest viewership numbers of the regular season.

Dan Patrick (00:02): "The Thanksgiving hangover is absolutely real on this Black Friday. Still talking about what happened between the Bears and Lions."

Bears' Incompetency on Display Doug Gottlieb expresses his disappointment with the Chicago Bears' performance, emphasizing the team's apparent lack of strategic execution during the game.

Doug Gottlieb (00:47): "I've never seen anything like that. The Bears were almost asleep at the wheel."

Critical Coaching Decisions The hosts dissect the Bears' questionable decision-making, particularly focusing on the handling of timeouts in crucial game moments. Dan and Doug debate whether the Bears should have utilized their timeouts differently to potentially secure a win or drive the game into overtime.

Dan Patrick (06:20): "There's so many layers to this. It's amazing because, Doug, even on this drive a couple of plays earlier, they actually had two timeouts, but they took one in a dead ball situation."

Doug Gottlieb (09:01): "I just sat there and I was like, what do we just watch and then what do you do."

2. Analyzing Caleb Williams' Performance and Coaching Decisions

Player Accountability The conversation shifts to Caleb Williams, the Bears' quarterback, with both hosts questioning his ability to manage the game effectively, especially under pressure.

Doug Gottlieb (09:52): "Caleb Williams strikes me and this is a little bit of inside knowledge of his time at SC... he thinks he knows everything."

Coaching Critique Dan Patrick criticizes the Bears' coaching staff, particularly head coach Matt Eberflus, for their in-game decisions that led to the team's downfall.

Dan Patrick (34:32): "I think from Top to bottom. One of the biggest problems that I had was they don't have a kicker on their team that can kick a 58-yard field goal indoors."

3. Tom Brady's Commentary on Daniel Jones and Team Dynamics

Brady's Perspective Doug Gottlieb introduces a segment discussing Tom Brady's recent comments about Daniel Jones requesting a release from the Giants. The hosts debate Brady's stance and its implications for team morale and contractual obligations.

Doug Gottlieb (23:21): "Tom Brady said this about Daniel Jones asking to be released by the Giants."

Contractual Constraints The discussion highlights the complexities of NFL contracts, emphasizing how they can limit players' and teams' flexibility, leading to situations where players like Daniel Jones might seek releases despite the team's investment.

Doug Gottlieb (24:00): "It was how the contracts are constructed... the Giants can't put him out there even for practice for risk of injury."

4. Mark Dominick's Insights on NFL Team Management

Guest Expertise Mark Dominick, former general manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, joins the conversation to provide his expert analysis on the Bears' management decisions and the broader implications for the team’s future.

Mark Dominick (26:40): "It's a decision made around the table with the agent player, club, et cetera. All decided that that's the best interest."

Strategic Moves Dominick discusses the Minnesota Vikings' decision to sign Daniel Jones as a strategic move to secure backup options and evaluate Jones' fit within their system.

Mark Dominick (27:24): "They're trying to say, hey, let's kick the tires on this one. So I think it's a longer-term move depending on if Daniel Jones likes the environment."

5. Dolphins' Struggles and Tua Tagovailoa's Performance

Cold Weather Challenges The hosts analyze the Miami Dolphins' performance, attributing their struggles to both Tua Tagovailoa's limited mobility and their inability to adapt to cold weather conditions.

Doug Gottlieb (47:23): "Tua cannot... one of the reasons he gets hit so much is he can't move."

Defensive Weaknesses Dan Patrick points out the Dolphins' defensive issues, especially their inability to effectively shut down dynamic players like Tyreek Hill, which hampers their offensive efforts.

Dan Patrick (52:00): "The packers are also just a better team. It's a tough game to go to win."

6. Future Implications and Team Prospects

Bears' Future Outlook Mark Dominick speculates on the Bears' potential decisions regarding coaching staff and player management, suggesting that Matt Eberflus might face consequences despite the team's current struggles.

Mark Dominick (33:06): "Where you at in the season and change for the sake of change... I don't think they'll do it right now."

Dolphins' Direction The conversation concludes with reflections on the Dolphins' trajectory, emphasizing the need for strategic adjustments to overcome their current challenges and improve their standing in the league.

Mark Dominick (36:17): "Jeff Hapley's done a really good job with the defense for the most part. And then, you know, I think it's more... it's more just... he can't move."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Dan Patrick (00:02): "The Thanksgiving hangover is absolutely real on this Black Friday."

• Doug Gottlieb (00:47): "Let's get to decorating."

• Mark Dominick (26:40): "It's a decision made around the table with the agent player, club, et cetera."

• Dan Patrick (34:32): "They don't have a kicker on their team that can kick a 58-yard field goal indoors."

• Doug Gottlieb (47:23): "Tua cannot... he can't move."

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Conclusion

In this episode, Dan Patrick and Doug Gottlieb offer an in-depth analysis of pivotal NFL games, focusing on critical coaching decisions, player performances, and the broader strategic moves of teams like the Bears and Dolphins. Featuring expert insights from Mark Dominick, the discussion underscores the intricate dynamics of team management and the impact of individual performances on a team's success. Whether you're a dedicated fan or a casual observer, this episode provides valuable perspectives on the evolving landscape of professional football.

Transcript

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[Dan Patrick]

The Thanksgiving hangover is absolutely real on this Black Friday. Still talking about what happened between the Bears and Lions. And Doug, this is the great thing about what happened yesterday are these Thanksgiving Day games on tv, on Fox, on cbs are the highest rated games throughout the regular season.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Right.

[Dan Patrick]

Year after year after year. So on full display was the incompetency of the Chicago Bears in a game that is probably going to be first or second of the highest rated games that we'll see in the regular season.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Yep, pretty much. I've never seen anything like that. And maybe and Bears fans are sitting there going like, welcome to my world, but I've never seen anything like that. Like you had a timeout and you could have dirted the ball. There's a million things you could have done and you barely get a playoff and don't even get an opportunity to second play. Like it was, it was so indescribably awful to watch. I had sympathy for Bears fans.

[Dan Patrick]

You know where I compared it to like immediately in the aftermath, just because you said you haven't seen anything like that. It reminded me of the Sopranos ending, when people are like, wait, that's it? It's just over, it's done.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

And because it was so sudden, you felt like the Bears had all this time a little bit like, I think Super Bowl 56 at the end where you thought the Bengals were driving. They get to midfield and they have a what, a second and one. And then they get a couple of stops and then Aaron Donald wreaks havoc and oh, that's the game that's over. The Rams have won the Super Bowl. That's what yesterday felt like.

[Doug Gottlieb]

No, no, no, no, no, no. I agree with you. And it felt like we're missing something. But these. I felt like all of America is screaming at the tv.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, well, yeah, yeah, I agree with that.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Here's the setup. So I took to my country club, Oneida Country Club, for Thanksgiving dinner and we have one. Ryan Wade is a six year senior. He's from Michigan. He's from Ann Arbor, Michigan. And so he's got, he's always rocking his Lions jersey. Matter of fact, when the Lions came in and beat the packers, it's great trash talk. And he, you know, they all owned it with him in the locker room. But we're watching as kind of dinner is sort of wrapping up and collectively everyone is first, the ups and downs of watching Caleb Williams play are really, I mean, again, it's like, well, he's just a rookie, but there are some pleasure. Like, God, he's awful. Then you're like, well, you know, he's not bad. Then all of a sudden they start kind of moving the football. They score a touchdown, they're down three points. The Lions were kind of asleep at the wheel. The Lions were almost, it was almost as if, hey, why don't you guys come and beat us? Because we're not really that into this thing. And then you drive down the field and it's a pretty obvious situation to call a timeout, clock a ball, whatever. And I just, again, I could be wrong because I was simply sitting in the bar area with 30 or so other guys. But everyone I know is screaming at the TV like, what are you doing? Call a timeout. Dirt to football. What are you. It's. And, and there's only one Lions fan and no one is a Bears fan. Just watching that debacle and then the comments afterward from E. Refleuce, like, what his explanation.

[Dan Patrick]

It's tough to understand that we're there at second and 20, you know, take the sack right there, you know, so we're at 36 seconds right there. And our hope was, because it was third going into fourth, that we would rack, re rack that play at 18 seconds, throw it inbounds, get into the field goal range and then call the timeout. And that's where it was. And that was our decision making process on that. Again, we were outside the field goal.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Range, you know, so we needed to.

[Dan Patrick]

Get a few more yards in there.

[Doug Gottlieb]

As close as we can get.

[Dan Patrick]

And then we're going to call timeout. And that's why we held that last time out.

[Doug Gottlieb]

At the end of the game, I.

[Dan Patrick]

Like what we did there. Again, once it's under seven, you know, you're going to, you're going to call, you know, time out there or actually under 12, and then really you don't have an option, you know, because it's third to fourth. You got to throw it into the end zone then. So to me, it's, I think we handled it the right way, but I do believe that just re rack the play, get it in, bounce and call time out. And that's why we held it and didn't work out the way we wanted it to.

[Doug Gottlieb]

I mean, first thing is, and this is an obvious one, right, Everyone I know was screaming, you can't take a sack there. So that is on Caleb Williams can't take a sack. Can't take a. Can't. Ah, you can't take a sack there. Right. And then the. Well, and what he was saying is they obviously have their rules. Under 12, call a timeout. He didn't do it. You know, under seven, you got to throw it, you know, throw it for the end zone. I understand all of that, but just the. Well, what about that time gap between when he, when the last play ended and when you got to under 12? Under 7.

[Dan Patrick]

Here's what's. There's so many layers to this. It's amazing because, Doug, even on this drive a couple of plays earlier, they actually had two timeouts, but they took one in a dead ball situation because the play clock was running down.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

So they threw an incomplete pass and they had a second down and 10 and they ended up calling a timeout because Eberfluz didn't think that Caleb Williams was going to get the snap off. Williams actually, I think was planning on getting the snap off and knew the play clock was running down and was going to just take advantage of the pause on the double zero where you can still snap it. And he seemed frustrated that he was unable to get the playoff and that the Bears called time out. So they wasted one of their time outs just on a dead ball scenario inside the 30 yard line. They have 46 seconds left. They had two timeouts. They're at the Lions 25 yard line. @ that point you're thinking, to heck with the field goal, we can win this thing.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

Let's put it into the end zone.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

Not how are we going to end up out of field goal range and have time run out on us.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

The furthest thing from anyone's mind.

[Doug Gottlieb]

And look, Eber Fluss is not an offensive guy, but it's pretty obvious if you listen to what he's saying. They do have rules and a process and, you know, it couldn't be more obvious that those two are not on the same page. I would say that Caleb James strikes me and this is a little bit of inside knowledge of his time at SC as a guy who's really smart. But this is the issue with really smart young players. They think they know everything. Right. Most of us, when we're in our early 20s, especially when people tell us we're smart, we think we know everything. And you know, now it's on full display and end of the day that looks like a poorly coached football team. There's just no other way you can say it.

[Dan Patrick]

I think from Top to bottom. One of the biggest problems that I had was they don't have a kicker on their team that can kick a 58 yard field goal indoors. Eber flu says that they needed more yards because of Caleb Williams taking that sack to kick a field goal. The longest field goal in NFL history is what 66 yards from Justin Tucker kicked where Ford Field, home of the Detroit Lions and the Bears where I think collateral damage plays in. I think what happened the last a couple of weeks ago against the packers sure ends up playing into their mind and settling for that field goal at that time. But man and it was the only tricky thing about it was he was third down.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Yes. Think about this year Bears fan. Okay. Should have won the packers game. Probably should have won the Vikings game. Had the Commanders game won. Doesn't mean you would have won last night or yesterday afternoon. But that thing at least should have gone overtime. And you're sitting here and again like what's the expression? There's a football expression. More games are lost than one. I have a ton of respect for what Dan Campbell and the Lions have done overall yesterday they didn't win that game. The Bears lost that game. There's just no other way. And the same thing with the Commanders game. They didn't win that. The Canners didn't win that game. The Bears lost that game. And and as a. As a Charger fan I mean here's J Stew are like I don't even have PTSD for that because as poorly coached. The problem with the Chargers especially under Brandon Staley were guys were just wide open right. Like it was the defensive guy and they just leave dudes wide open. But the. The one comp. Hey the one comp is was will always be that the Chargers just found ways to lose games they should rightfully win. And that's where the Bears are. And then there's got to be the added part to it like Glenn if we want to get the brass tacks could have gotten rid of Eber Fluss last year chose not to Harbaugh and again I don't know if he chooses the Bears when he could have chosen his own quarterback. But Harbaugh leaves Michigan, he goes to the Chargers and they're immediately a playoff team. You stick with Eberflus and this season has been a debacle. Here's. Here's Caleb Williams after the game talking about some of the communication issues.

[Dan Patrick]

I don't have a microphone to speak to coach or anything like that. So there wasn't like any huge communication that situation, you get a call with that time, you gotta, you know, you gotta try and get the guys back, get everybody lined up. So you go run a play and you know, we got lined up, got to play. And then, you know, I made an adjustment because I saw the clock running down, knowing that if we complete a ball inbounds or anything like that, we won't have time to kick a field goal or anything like that. So I made adjustment, knew Rome was either going to be 101 or he was going to beat the safety and be 101 there. And I tried to give him a shot. We got the shot and missed.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Okay, so that didn't make sense because he had a timeout. Here's Caleb Williams said he was surprised the timeout wasn't called.

[Dan Patrick]

Timeout. We cannot surprise. I'm not going to say surprise or not. Just my job is to go out there, make plays. My job is to get everybody lined up. That's it, Win games. So didn't do that today. You know, I could have gave Rome, you know, maybe a little bit more of a jump ball in that situation instead of maybe trying to throw it over the shoulder or anything like that. But, you know, with that situation, that's not what happened.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Yeah. So in other words, he adjusted as if they didn't have a timeout when they did have a timeout. Again, that's on Caleb Williams. And you can hear from the confidence in his voice kind of what I'm talking about Dan, which is like, he's not an idiot. He's actually really bright. But I think he thinks he knows everything. He's like, yeah, I mean, I mean that situation, you know, we didn't, couldn't, couldn't, you know, couldn't get a clock for a field goal. Like, yeah, you can. He goes down, you call timeout.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. And he also made it explain. It almost felt like it was a one on one situation. I think he may, may have mentioned. Well, it wasn't. There were actually two lines. Defenders. If Roma dunze catches that pass, he's actually still in the field of play. Time probably runs out anyway. Just a bad decision. If you're looking at the clock and you decide to throw it that far downfield.

[Doug Gottlieb]

I just, I just, I just, I just sat there and was I Austin? I tweeted this, Dan. And I'm not saying this because you don't follow me, whatever, like, but this is how I felt. I just, I turned and I was with my coaches. Like, what do we just watch and then what you do. This is like when you know you're a coach is you start to scramble, you like to go, have we. Have we gone over. Have we gone over all these situations to like, yeah, like, no, have we gone over. And then I. It's funny because, you know, the other thing happening this time of year, in addition to all these standalone football games, we got our first Black Friday games as well today. Doug Gottlieb, Dan Byron for Dan the Danette Stan Patrick Show. Fox Sports Radio is this is a huge feast week. College basketball is everywhere. So all my players are watching games and sending me plays. Like, coach, can we do this? Coach, can we do that? I want to do this. And I had my point guard was like, hey, we're fouling up three. Fouling up three, Aren't we? Like, yeah, we talked about this in the summer and early in the fall. He's like, under seven seconds. Yeah, like, we need to go back over that. I got. I guess we do. So that's when, like, you know, you've slipped into full coach mode is when you're watching a different sport and then you turn to your coaches and you're like, hey, we got to go over all this stuff. We cannot look like that because I don't even know what I just saw.

[Dan Patrick]

I was in your in for you on your normal show on Fox Sports Radio yesterday, and we had Tim Patrick of the Lions on afterwards. Asked him about the scenario. He had no idea what the Bears were doing. I asked him if they have a plan with the Lions on if it's him or Ben Johnson or Jared Goff or anybody who would call a timeout. He goes, yeah, we have a plan in that scenario and how we would handle it. Now, Dan Campbell hasn't always been the greatest in time management at times, but the fact is, at least the line said that they had a plan. And to me, what I felt, I felt the Green Bay game so came into question as the clock was ticking down. And when Eber flu says, we got to a certain point, I almost feel like at 18 seconds, he felt it was out of his hands, but it never should be when you're the head coach, because he felt like if we call a time out here, then we can't throw it in bounds and we're not close enough and we're not going to be able to get our kicking unit out in time if the clock continues to run. And so then I think he kind of froze and panicked when he probably should have, then just called the timeout at 7 seconds left so they at least run a play or figure out what they're going to do. And instead it just ended.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Well, it's, it's interesting and look, we have this discussion as we go, but it's like, I would say the number one thing that I'm learning on the fly is the use of the timeouts. You know, we played Oklahoma State the first game, it was one point game at the half, they made a run. And because in college basketball, under 16 you have a timeout, under 12 you have a timeout. I found myself kind of thinking in like, all right, do I call one now? Do I not? Like, again, you have three in the second half, you have four once I use it or lose it in the first half and you end up like questioning yourself, okay, when do I use it? So if you watch our games, my use of timeouts has, is starting to kind of change and evolve. I'm. You know, when you coach in FIBA basketball, you get three, but only two. You can use under two minutes in the second half. Right? So that's, it's like a different. You can't use all three, can't pocket all three there. When you coach like AU basketball, usually you get either one or two timeouts a half and that's it. And obviously there's no media timeouts. So you're, you're kind of trying to figure and manipulate it and you got to pocket at least one if you can. But do you pocket two? Like it's a, it's an interesting thing. My point to eberfluous is I totally understand like those timeouts, they can get away. You know, do I save one, do I use one? But it's not like this is first year coaching, being a head coach. It's not like he hasn't been in end of game scenarios before. And I just, their, their use and misuse of all of it. It just. And again, this is probably the point you made about the kicker is, is the right one, which is if you just look at this in a, in a vacuum and it's a one off and it's a really bad look and it's one game against the Detroit Lions, you're like, you know what? They just got screwed up. Maybe in, maybe in the super. Not the, in where the Lions played Ford Field, maybe the clocks are hard to find. Maybe they just made a mistake. Okay? But then when you factor in they lost an overtime last week, they lost the packers on a, on a block field goal. The commander sings the debacle. Overall, it just does not look like a well run unit. You also combine the fact that GM doesn't have a good enough kicker indoors to kick 58 yards, which though it seems long in our brains, in 2024 these dudes can make it from 60 plus, especially indoors. The whole thing is just a complete mess. Complete mess.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Doug Gottlieb]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Doug Gottlieb]

Should be Obviously Tom Brady was on the call yesterday of the Giants Cowboys game, right? That was the big America's. What do we call it? America's football game. America's. I forget America's game where he's on the Cowboys Giants call. And Dan, I don't know if you heard this, okay, but this was Tom Brady said this about Daniel Jones asking to be released by the Giants.

[Dan Patrick]

I don't know how the whole situation.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Went down, but to think that you.

[Dan Patrick]

Would ask for a release from a team that committed a lot to you is maybe different than I would have handled that. I always felt I wanted to get the trust and respect of my teammates regardless situation, knowing that I was trying to do the best I could for the team because that was the most important thing. There's just some different things that happen in the NFL and everyone makes individual choices. And I think we're all at points in our career face different challenges. I faced them in college and some things didn't go the way I wanted. But the people that mattered the most.

[Doug Gottlieb]

To me were the guys in the locker room.

[Dan Patrick]

I showed up every day. I don't care if they asked me.

[Doug Gottlieb]

To be scout team safety, be scout team quarterback.

[Dan Patrick]

I was going to do whatever I.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Could to help the team win. Yeah. So Tom Brady, like it sounds great to say, right? It's like, man, I would have showed up no matter what. I would have been scout team safety. The problem with it is it's so far from the reality where Daniel Jones actually offered up to be the scout team safety. The problem is that the way in which these contracts are constructed and we'll have Mark Dominick in a Second, Dan. But, you know, this is. They can't. The Giants can't put him out there even for practice for risk of injury, because if he gets hurt even at practice, well, then they owe him even more money. Right. That contract is already an albatross. It gets even worse.

[Dan Patrick]

There's. There's a lot to it. And I also look at. Is just as Brady trying to make the transition as a broadcaster. And Mike Florio often frequent guest with Dan Patrick, obviously on the Dan Patrick Show. Florio pointed out that this is your job as an analyst to do this sort of thing to get that information. I understand that you're coming from the player's perspective, but I think a simple conversation, which was Florio's point, would have solved this whole riddle for Tom Brady. Instead, to give his perspective the way that he did.

[Doug Gottlieb]

It's really interesting because I would. I would say that if I had my analysis of. His analysis generally is he's been. He's been way overprepared, and he has. He's got to do games for a couple years and, you know, in order to truly get comfortable and just find his voice. But in this particular case, it felt like Tom Brady was. It was like his TED Talk, you know, it was like one of those Instagram reels on Tom Brady that has made him very popular, which is like, I would have shown up to work no matter what. No matter what. Like, yeah, dude, all you gotta do is make a call. You're Tom Brady. They're gonna pick up the phone. And they would have said, like, hey, look, he wanted to go there, but they don't want him around, okay? Because he can't participate if he gets hurt. Cost us more money. Like, he actually did a solid by the team by removing himself from the situation. All right, more on that to come. Let's welcome in Mark Dominick, who, of course, was the former general manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. By the way, he joins us weekly on the Doug Gottlieb Show. You should check out those hits. Just download the Doug Gottlieb show podcast. Mark, am I wrong that, like, Tom. What Tom Brady said, it's one of those, like, grandstanding. Get applause from people. Tom would show up to work no matter what, when the reality is that it's better for everybody if you decide to move on from Daniel Jones to not have him around the organization.

[D]

Morning, guys. And, yeah, I agree. I hope you guys had a good Thanksgiving and hopefully enjoyed the games. But I agree with you guys. I mean, it's pretty standard and Tom was never in this kind of position, right. Not that where his contract is just overbearing. And the reality is the organization is moving on and walking away and so therefore he can't see it from that lens. But he could have been better prepared for that comment. I'm sure he faced a little bit of backlash today, as deserved, but no, this is a decision made around the table with the agent player, club, et cetera. All decided that that's the best interest. And I don't disagree that he shouldn't be there. I am sure with the injuries that it looks like, well, he could have played, they would have still gone with Drew Locke. And so it is what it is.

[Dan Patrick]

Simple enough, since we're talking about Daniel Jones, that the Vikings make this move just basically just for insurance purposes for the, for the rest of the season because it seems like they have a future. What do you think was going through the mind of Quezio Dofa Menza making that signing for Minnesota?

[D]

Yeah, I think. I think they're just kind of looking at all things. I think they're kind of looking at it from a perspective of not sure where their quarterback is in terms of health, knowing that more than likely Sam Darnold is going to find a different home in 2025 and therefore we can already be protected with the backup quarterback and get to see him and let our coaches get to feel him, understand him and see what ticks and let our coaches have a little play with him. We've seen what they've done with Sam Darnold and making Minnesota relevant in 2024. And I think that they're trying to say, hey, let's kick the tires on this one. So I think it's a longer term move depending on if Daniel Jones likes the environment as much as maybe they like Daniel Jones.

[Doug Gottlieb]

I would also say, and Mark, you tell me if I'm wrong, okay, there's something in basketball, you have basketball families, footballs, you have football families. I think it's brilliant from Daniel Jones and his agent in that they don't really have a connection to the Shanahan tree. And knowing that system, the verbiage, how everything works, and this gives Daniel Jones, you know, the next couple of months to learn the system, which doesn't mean it works in Minnesota. But if you look throughout the league, Kevin O'Connell has connections with everybody else. It puts him in a completely different football family and gives them an opportunity, because that's what you do, right? Like when you have a new coach, you bring in a guy who knows the system, whether starter or backup. And I think it's a brilliant move from that perspective. Could that be what the agent's thinking?

[D]

Oh, I think absolutely. I think, you know, you're looking at what's the best offense right now in the NFL, who's having the most success. You're thinking those situations, you're thinking who's, you know, who's been able to resurrect careers or create careers. You're thinking that situation. So it makes a ton of sense. And again, on the practice squad or anything like that, you're not married to anything as your Daniel Jones. So right now you're as much getting dated as you're trying to date. And so I think in that spot, it really works well for him to see if he enjoys the system, enjoys the coaching, enjoys the environment. Or is this just a quick stop, you know, learning more and then finding a different place in 2025 when free agents or when the end of the season hits and you decide if you're gonna sign your practice squad guys back or not.

[Dan Patrick]

Mark Dominic joining us here on the Dan Patrick Show. We're obviously going to talk about Matt Eberfluss and the Bears. He said today he's met with Ryan Poles, has met with Kevin Warren, will have a meeting later on. What do you say? What are the questions you're asking your head coach after that end of game debacle yesterday in Detroit?

[D]

Well, I have a hard time. You know, they complete that pass without the face, the hands to the face, and they're at the 13 yard line and they have a chance to win. Instead they do get the penalty. So it's a 22 yard penalty in theory. And then they turn around and get sacked. I feel like someone. And it shows you the lack of, I guess, maturity on Caleb Williams to not understand that this is a moment where you can't just wait for the call. You got to take the timeout, throw a ball to get yourself in field goal position or somebody on the sidelines should be taking the time out. To me that I'm Ryan Coles, I'm trying to understand why did we burn the time out. I know, you know, we would have to get the ball spiked or we had to throw it to the sidelines. But how do we let the clock expire? And that to me that's a big question. And as a gm, I don't ask that question last night. I asked it this morning. It's too emotional last night. It's going to be hard to get the right Answer, it's going to know this morning. You walk in with your head coach and you sit there. But let's go through the chain of events of how that played out last night and talk to me about what you're seeing. I think Matt makes it through this weekend. I know he's very confident that he'll make it through the weekend. I just don't know if it's because the Bears have been playing a little better and certainly the second half was shocking for them to make a comeback. This game should have been, you know, out the door in the first half. Obviously, by the way, the Lions just kind of blundered in the red zone. But I think you hold on to Matt Eberflues for at least another week or two and you are going through the process. You know, Ryan Poles may not know what's going on. He might be part of those, you know, they're sweeping. So, you know, to ask your general manager what's going on may not be the best question. But I think you hold on to everything for a week or two more. But behind the scenes, as your Kevin Warren.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Mark, Mark, how do you not fire somebody again? And if it was just this game, okay, but they're lining up to beat the Green Bay packers, who have owned them for the better part of a decade, and the guy sits on a 46 yard field goal that gets blocked. Again, not his fault that the trajectory was so low or that the blocking was bad. It's like not technically his fault. But this is not the first. And then you go to the commander's game. Again, it's not necessarily his fault that he's got a cornerback who's. Who's dancing and celebrating while the ball is already snapped, but it is that. Like, that's his football team. Like, how do you continue? And again, Mark, you know, I'm a coach. I'm actually sensitive to this thing. But how do you not fire somebody today?

[D]

I just think, where you at in the season and change for the sake of change of where you sit as an organization, is it really going to change the outcome? I mean, you got to look at your own staff and say, who would I want to be the head coach and why? And what can I want to be?

[Doug Gottlieb]

Maybe, maybe not, maybe not the head coach. Like, somebody's literally got to get. Like, somebody has to get. There has to be some level of accountability, doesn't there? Or he's just like, hey, he's going to get fired anyway. Let's just like, let him play out the string I don't know.

[D]

Well, it's like this, you know, and as you said, and you know, in the end, I don't think that he won't get fired. I just don't think they'll do it right now. But they might. But you talked about the three situations and one was on offense, one was on defense, one was on special teams. Now that all points back to its team not coming together, but they're also in position to beat the camp commanders. In a position to possibly beat the Lions. In position to possibly beat the, you know, the Packers. So you got to look at from like we're right on the cusp of maybe things are starting to turn. Even though we're screwing up and losing these games, it's not like we're getting throttled or beat bad. Like we've seen some other teams. And so I think that's the only reason they're holding on. But I think change those things, it's going to happen. I don't think that's inevitable. I just don't know if you just have to do it just to make a point. To whom? Fans. They're going to stay.

[Dan Patrick]

Can I get one more on this bearish thing? Because. And I said this to Doug earlier, Mark, and I said it yesterday when it happened. I don't understand how in this day and age of the NFL you have a kicker that can't kick one 58 yards indoors. Is that maybe. We see guys now trying 64 yard field goals. The longest field goal in NFL history happened in that stadium yesterday. And to me, that's a, that's, that's the Bears telling on themselves that they don't even have a good enough kicker, that they by the way, wanted to settle for a 46 yarder two weeks ago. Like, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

[D]

No. And I don't disagree. I think we've seen certainly a change in the evolution of tickers. It's easy to make 50 yarders and it does say something, that you have no confidence that you can make the big kick in the big moment, especially with time running out and the odds of you not going to convert a first down. I hated the end of the game. Like I was nauseous. I was like, there's no way they're going to lose this game, at least to go into overtime and see if they somehow come pull off this miracle upset. But the Bears did a Bears thing and I know that that goes back to Doug. What you're saying is somebody's Got heads, got a role. I just, you know, no one not knowing the McCaskey family, but just knowing the overall run with Kevin Warren, I just think that they're probably. We fire him. Maybe we don't want to win more games. Maybe we're in a position where we're comfortable where our draft pick is right now, even though it's not ideal, that we're not in a bad spot based off of needing that first round pick going forward.

[Doug Gottlieb]

No, that's. Listen, that's the only. That's. I told Jason Stewart, our producer, like, that's the only viable explanation that I would actually go, like, okay, that makes it make it look so, like, such a mess. Like, oh, my God, I can't believe we lost this game. And then you go in the locker room like, dude, we lost that game. We keep our draft pick. That's the only thing that could. That could get you out of jail free. It was. I'm with you. I'm watching with my coaches, and we're. We just finished Thanksgiving dinner and we were all like, oh, okay, what do we have to prepare for that? We have not. Because this looks terrible. It just looked. I cannot believe how that game ended. Mark Dominick joining us here on the Dan Patrick show with. With Dan Byron. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Dan and the Danettes. Do the Dolphins have a cold weather problem or a TUA problem?

[D]

I want to lean towards more of a cold weather. You know, obviously the very tough game for them as well, where, you know, they had a chance to kind of close the game out in Lambeau, but they couldn't. I got to give credit to Jeff Hapley, the defensive coordinator. They did a good job of making it difficult on TUA and, you know, being able to stuff them in the red zone and then turn around and get pressures and sacks. I think that Jeff Hapley's done a really good job with the defense for the most part. And then, you know, I think it's more. Again, it's. It's not. I think two is in a good spot. I think he's going to be okay as long as he stays healthy. I don't think some Dolphins are sitting there going, we got to get a different quarterback. I think it was more just. I think you got to give credit to the defensive side of Jeff as the coordinator.

[Doug Gottlieb]

It was a dominating performance. No interceptions from Jordan Love, which is the first this year, and the packers look like they're playing their best. Hope you had a great Thanksgiving, Mark. We love talking football with you. Enjoy your Black Friday sports and we'll talk to you next week.

[D]

Yeah, very curious to see what Aiden O'Connell does today for the Raiders. Then the whole season we've been waiting to see if he's any good. It doesn't really matter so much, but it does to the Raiders brass to see if he can do anything against his Chiefs today. So it'll be fun to watch.

[Doug Gottlieb]

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[Dan Patrick]

Gosh, Doug, I've been to one of the coldest games on record when they played The Raiders in the early 90s. The day the Lambo leaf was there, I was there for the NFC championship game when they beat the Panthers in the mid-90s.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Wow.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Was there. That was. Gosh, that was giving Kerry Collins. Yeah. Yeah. Even before that. So it was. Yeah. So I've been there. I've been to a few. Few good ones. And it's. It's definitely, definitely different from, from December and January compared to, say, that nice late summer hot day in September or an early fall matchup.

[Doug Gottlieb]

It's so interesting, you know, and what, What I found to be fascinating is when you, when you kind of zoom out and you look at the whole stadium, right. Obviously they have a. There's a ton of people in Pac. You throw your packers jersey over your coveralls or over whatever you're wearing. But there's also, in just about every section, there were two or three that were straight up in bright orange hunting gear. Yeah, right. Just straight up. Yes, it is. You know, straight up. Just shot a buck. And now I'm going to watch the packers play then. And I would say there's about three times that many in every section wearing full camo. And. But then you cover the camo with a Packers jersey or, you know, some sort of Packers, Packers, Packers, Jack, whatever it. And it was cold. Now, full disclosure, my seats were the club seats, so you can sit outside, and I sat outside most of the game and then go inside and. And get a hot chocolate or get a beer and watch the game. And so it's like the lower bowl. When you're in the lower bowl, like, that's it. You're hardcore. You're squeezed in next to everybody else. Everyone's into the game, but it is cold. It's not as bad when you're up in the club section because, you know, when you want to tap out, you can just go tap out and warm up for about 10 or so seconds. I was. I did sweats and then ski pants and then a big parka, and I had the hand warmers in my pocket just in case, and I was fine. It was not. It wasn't bad at all. Unless you were a Miami Dolphin. Unless you were Miami Dolphin. Here's Mike McDaniel, head coach of the Miami Dolphins, talking about the narrative that his team can't play in cold weather.

[Dan Patrick]

That's the thing with narratives. There's one way to change them. And so, yeah, my expectation would be, you know, those who I mean, the naysayers will, you know, you prove them right. They'll be louder. So that's part of the territory. You have to, you carry that until you, until you do something about it. And unfortunately we didn't tonight.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Yeah, I mean like, you know, when you, when was it Malik Washington who fumbled the opening punt? I mean, you can't, it just looked, you don't know that that's why they're playing the way they're playing. But they look, they looked incredibly uncomfortable. Incredibly uncomfortable. I'll tell you my biggest takeaway in watching the game is Tua is a statue. Like he can't avoid the rush at all. You know, it's like, like Brady could move and you know, it was. You had to move him off his spot. But Brady did have at least the ability maybe until super late in his career where he could just move just so to the side and just avoid things like Tuik has to get rid of it quick, otherwise he can't move. Just can't move. And I told you in the pre show meeting, you know, it was, what was it guys about two years ago where it was that showdown, you know, Emmanuel Acho and talked about Tua being better than Justin Herbert. And I went to the game at Sofi and what was fascinating to me about that game was if you went to the game and you thought the two quarterbacks were anywhere near the same stratosphere, you needed to have an eye examination. When you're done. It's not just because Herbert's like 4 inches taller. The velocity of his throws is like 2x that of Tua. They build a layer throws, they build a move in the pocket like everything is completely better. One guy looked like a college quarterback, the other guy looked like a pro quarterback. I thought the same last night and I know Tua's numbers were decent, but the difference. And it was probably Jordan Love's best overall performance because he didn't throw a pick. And it wasn't just they didn't throw a pick, he didn't throw even one that was close to being intercepted. Whereas in, I think he'd thrown a pick in every game previous this year and there was usually two or three that were kind of up for grabs. Like Jordan Love played really well. But more than anything just, just looked, he moved better. He's a little bigger arms much stronger. I just, my takeaway, Dan was God, Tuit cannot. I mean one of the reasons he gets hit so much is he can't move.

[Dan Patrick]

It's. This is. And I think he said something, something interesting about Tua's numbers because they do look good. And honestly, when you consider what the Dolphins had to put out when he was out with his concussion and the problems that they had at the position. And Tua obviously is an upgrade, but is he just a compiler? This is, it's, it's almost. It feels like as well that the Dolphins are at a crossroads. Not with Tua because they paid him like he's going to be their guy. But is this what life is like when you figure out that Tyree Kill isn't going to be Tyree Kill anymore and there's something going on with how defenses are stopping Tyree Kill? But also if you're the Dolphins, when you gave two of that deal, you couldn't think that Tyree Kill was going to be the same wide receiver for as many years as Tua was getting his contract. It just Tua was going to have to take control and be that guy. And I think to your point of what you're saying is not only is he probably not going to be that guy, the concerns that we all have are that something bad could happen to him again. Likely could happen to him again because he just can't move. It's scary, but that's going to be the world the Dolphins live in.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Profet, what were your thoughts?

[Mark Dominick]

Just a real quick stat I just saw here.

[Dan Patrick]

The Dolphins are 3 and 13 straight up as a road underdog since 2022. Yeah, this is Doug. You've said it a ton on your show a couple of years ago and they made that push and not to do as Jason Stewart loves schedule radio, but they beat nobody's. And I'm someone who would give credit to people and say, well at least you're winning the games that you're supposed to. But this kind of seems to be who the Dolphins are. The three game winning streak came against the Rams, Raiders and Patriots.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Yeah, yeah, I, there was, there was a lot to that game last night. I mean one, it just, it was interesting that the packers look that, that was the first time, you know, start to finish outside of maybe the first drive. It really felt like the packers were really, really sharp. Really sharp. They looked like they had gotten to a different level. And you know, obviously we know the Dolphins defense is not their strength, but we're sitting around there talking and I was, one of my players was with me, he's from Israel. And so I was explaining the dynamic of the Dolphins and that they struggle in cold weather and you know, you go back to was it last year, the year before when they got off to the hot Start and. But all those games were at home and teams like the Bills wore down late. Right. And anybody's been to Dolphin Stadium in the early, in the early part of the season knows that visitor sideline, you're like ants underneath a mic. What's it called? Magnifying glass. You know, you're just, you're melting away. And so they benefit from the heat, but they just one look uncomfortable. 2. I thought the packers did a great job of taking away Tyreek Hill, like his touchdown reception was on a deflection late in the game. And I would also say like in Tyree kill's defense, like McDaniel's got to do a better job getting him the football. The one thing they did in Kansas City was, you know, they'd run those end arounds, those little pop passes. They'd find ways to get him the ball. He's literally the most dynamic player maybe in the sport. You know, you have to put two and three guys there on him and he's. And he was kind of a non factor. So yeah, I. Not a big buyer into the, into the Dolphins. And also obviously the further, further down you go down the line, even if you make the playoffs, you're playing on the road and that's just not a team that's built for it. And again in the afc, unlike the nfc where at least Detroit, you're playing in a dome like you're playing in Buffalo, you're playing in Kansas City, pretty much guaranteed on the road and may. Or you're playing in Baltimore or Pittsburgh. So yeah, that's, that is, that's, that's the. What's the expression? Don't buy green bananas. Yeah, don't buy green bananas.

[Dan Patrick]

I again and I just go back to the, to the point of I think we're starting to see what the new Dolphins are going to look like and it wasn't just the cold last night. That's a great narrative. But let's be real, the packers are also just a better team.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. So it's a tough game to go to win. But if you're the Dolphins right now and you're seeing the John who Smith show because defenses are taking away Tyree Kill, which they have for decent amount of the season when two has been available, that, yeah, this is. You've got to figure out a different way. And setting up screens for Devon E. Chan is not going to get it done. And the numbers that Tua put up last night look great.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

But if you end up a lot.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Of them were late too.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, absolutely. You're playing catch up. You're down 27 to 3.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Yeah, the game was over. Down 27 to 3. And you know, they made it got sort of cute there late. You know, they scored a score touchdown to make it. But then even then the packers came down, they're up 19 and you know, they score on the deflected pass and go for two and don't get it. But I'm with you, you know, again. And the other part to it is what we all have come to, the realization in the calculation is if you're going to give that quarterback all that money, something's got to give, right? That's what's going to happen with the packers right now. The packers run the benefit of they just don't have a lot of highly paid guys because they're all so young on that offensive side of the ball. But eventually, you know, you're going to time it out. Something's got to give and your quarterback has to be so good that he can overcome that. That's what's happened with Josh Allen. That's what's happened obviously with Pat Mahomes. We'll see if Lamar Jackson, right, because now he's making that huge money. So the defense is not as good as it used to be. They put it feels like most of their resources in the offensive side of the football. Your quarterback has to be that good to overcome the fact that his massive contract is going to cause some sort of shortfall. And I don't believe Tua is that good. I just. I just don't. I just do not. He's Dan Byron. Doug Gottliebin for Dan. Dan Patrick and the Danettes today. Coming up next, we'll find out if the price is right. That's next in the Dan Patrick show.

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